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Speaker 1: welcome back to Software Radio, Software Radio on Time, on Target.

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Speaker 1: I'm you host this afternoon. Steve Balis Druri joining us today.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special guest for the Spencer course

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Speaker 1: in Spencer internationally recognized threat management specialists, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into what that all means. And he's just Wroting Wroting.

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Speaker 1: He just wrote a book called The Safety Trap and

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Speaker 1: Security Professional Secrets for Staying Safe in a very dangerous world.

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Speaker 1: And we're gonna get into that. But before we do, Spencer,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. Excuse my uh lack of English

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Speaker 1: knowledge there, and thanks for journeying us. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I uh, it's a true pleasure to be here. For

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Speaker 1: But now you've you've worked as a professional security specialist,

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Speaker 1: little bit what a lot of people consider bodyguard. But

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Speaker 1: that's just a very small portion of what it is

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Speaker 1: that you do. But tell us our listeners a little

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Speaker 1: your book. Sure, absolutely so. My name is Spencer Courson.

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Speaker 1: I am a threat management professional. I'm a founder. I

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Speaker 1: new book is called The Safety Trap, which is all

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Speaker 1: life the safest way possible. I am I a combat veteran.

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Speaker 1: reason for it to be. I mean, there are literally

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Speaker 1: you can go to home depot and for thirty five

434
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Speaker 1: dollars get yourself an electronic lock where door you know,

435
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: closed equals locked, and you can have it so that

436
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: everyone has their own unique ID to get in, so

437
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: that you know, if you're pool guy, you get wind

438
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: up getting in a fight with your pool guy, and

439
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: the pool guy has a key to your house, you

440
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: don't have to go through and re key everything. You

441
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: can just sort of delete his code from the system.

442
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: Or if you want to know if like someone is

443
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, you can audit your access control into your

444
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: house if you're on vacation, because hey, you know, the

445
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: the nanny is only supposed to come on week days

446
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: between you know, nine am and five pm, So why

447
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: is she, you know, why is her code being utilized

448
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: on on Saturday at noon when the family is not there.

449
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: And then you go okay, and then you look at

450
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: the security cameras, if you find out that she and

451
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: her boyfriend are using your pool. There's so many things

452
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: you can But again, if you if you're not doing that,

453
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: if you're not auditing, if you're not inspecting what you expect,

454
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: you're you're vulnerable to those kinds of just everyday exploits

455
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: which could in the long run, you know, lead to

456
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: something nefarious. But the more we participate in our own

457
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: protection again, the safer we can all be. And I

458
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 1: think what ultimately comes down to is, you know, we

459
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: just can no longer afford to live in a world

460
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: where we simply hope that nothing will happen and then

461
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: solely rely on the first responders to save us once

462
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: something does. We need to you know, every day safety

463
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: requires the participation of everyone, and like I said before,

464
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: that healthy sense of skepticism and that moderate dose of

465
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Speaker 1: vigilance are all most people you don't need to succeed

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Speaker 1: in staying safe. Um, can I ask you a question, sure,

467
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 1: when when was the book what you thought it would be?

468
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: Because I think one of the one of the misrepresentations

469
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: about the book, like if they just saw on the

470
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: shelf would be like, oh, I don't need like one

471
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: of these like fearmongering. You know, there's there's a murderer

472
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: hiding in the shadows of of of every corner. But

473
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Speaker 1: was that is that what you've I'm just curious. I'll

474
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: be perfectly, perfectly honest. I was worried that that's because

475
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: of the title. I was worried that that's what it

476
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: was going to be. Now, you know, you're a publisher.

477
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: Had gotten contact with us over here at soft Rap

478
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: and and they said, oh, you know, you should talk

479
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: to Shane and uh and review his book, and blah

480
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: blah blah, and you know, we got the email, and

481
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I was immediately a little bit biased

482
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: against it because of the title. I was worried that

483
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Speaker 1: that's what it was gonna be. But it wasn't at all,

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Speaker 1: you know. I thought it was fantastic. As I said,

485
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: it was a fantastic read, and it brings up a

486
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of really great points because not, like you say

487
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: in the book, not everyone is going to have a

488
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: protective detail around them, but by using the same principles,

489
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: we can keep ourselves and our family safe when we

490
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: go out. Because there's a perception now, especially right now,

491
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: that our world is a lot more dangerous then it

492
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: was maybe when well I'm a little bit older than you,

493
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: but when we were kids. And yeah, and I'm not

494
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: so sure that that's the case. I I mean, look,

495
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: outside of mass violence being at an all time high,

496
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: the crime rate is at an all time low. Like

497
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: food is at like you know, food abundance is at

498
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: an all time high. Life expectancy has never been longer,

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00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Medical advancements have never been greater, technology has never been

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00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: more innovative. Um, you know, like crime rates down, life

501
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: expectancy is up. Like if you could be born at

502
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: any other time in human history, like right now would

503
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: be the greatest time to be alive. But because we

504
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: live in such a safe society, we the need for

505
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: us to participate in that safety is at an time

506
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: low because things so rarely happen that we can so

507
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: we just have sort of fallen into this you know,

508
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to know, we've sort of fallen into

509
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: this safety trap where we expect safety to be a deliverable.

510
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: We expect safety to be as certain as when we

511
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: turn on the faucet water comes out, or that you know,

512
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: even when something bad does happen, it's going to be

513
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 1: so short term that you know it will get immediately resolved.

514
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: Just a couple of months ago here in Texas, we

515
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: had that that power outage and the number of people

516
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: who just like could not survive for twenty four hours

517
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: without you know, power was devastating, Like they just had

518
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: no no resolve, no no no backup generators, no spare heaters,

519
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: no extra food, no extra water, just like the basic

520
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: practic coms that most people should employ on an everyday

521
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: basis so that in the event that you know, something

522
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: bad does happen, that your life is just rust but

523
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: it's not destroyed. And I think that you know, and

524
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: it's yes, you're right. It's easy to think that we

525
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: live in such a dangerous world because it used to

526
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: be like when when we were kids, that if something

527
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: bad happened, you heard about it one time on the

528
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: six o'clock news and then you never heard about it again.

529
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, the barbershop or the corner bar, the

530
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: mom group talked about it, but it wasn't as pervasive

531
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: throughout society. But today, when something bad happens, it's a

532
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle, and so you're hearing about

533
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: that one bad thing a thousand times that day, from

534
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: every vantage point, from every talking head, from you know,

535
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: from snapchat on Instagram and Facebook and social media and everything,

536
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: and so your mind doesn't really know how to comprehend

537
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: that you're not hearing about a hundred things, you're hearing

538
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: about one thing a hundred times. And then you know,

539
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: of course the news kind of sensationalizes and and social

540
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: media kind of aggregates anger and hostility and angst because

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00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, read a Yelp review. The longer the real

542
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: the review, the typically the worst the review is. Because

543
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: if someone had a great time at the restaurant, they're

544
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna go love it, highly recommend. But if it's a

545
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: bad review, it's typically going to start off with, well

546
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be a lovely evening for me

547
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: and my wife and then turned into you know, and

548
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh your gut please, but you know,

549
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: but then that people want to respond to that because

550
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I've had had nothing, But

551
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: and then it goes back and forth and back and forth,

552
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: and it's just like jeez, and so and I can

553
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: kind of talk about this in the book too, about

554
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: like alert fatigue or you know, information overload or you know,

555
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: knowing that you know, I think it's in the false

556
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: authority section where you know, just because you hear something

557
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Like your mechanic is great

558
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: at fixing your car, but your mechanics should not like

559
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: the expertise of your mechanics should not also go over

560
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: into fly fishing or on how to make a great

561
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: to fly or on how to you know, jump start

562
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: your trigger grill, you know, just like I wouldn't go

563
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: to my financial planner on how to fix my brakes.

564
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: Like so it you know, just because your your your

565
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: buddies dad has you know, a charter boat, doesn't mean

566
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: he's an expert in scuba diving. I mean, but and

567
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: so people try to use these, you know, whether it's

568
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: like celebrities endorsing products or you know, the supermodel who's

569
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: using that lipstick was already pretty damn good looking before

570
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: she started using that lipstick. She doesn't need that lipstick

571
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: to be good looking, just and so, and you know,

572
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: but it's very easy to take that parallel that if

573
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: you start using this lipstick, you can be beautiful just

574
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: like her too. It is now you can't, yeah, I

575
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: can I can wear the Rocks headphones, but guess what,

576
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't look like the Rock when I'm done working out,

577
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: just because I was wearing headphones. Yeah. I have one

578
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: of the shirts from under Rummers, so but I don't

579
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: look like him. And when I take that shirt off,

580
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't look like the Rock in the mirror. Nope,

581
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: and don't when I get it on either. Yeah. But

582
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because a lot of people, you know,

583
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: and I you talked to people and uh, you and

584
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I talked about this offline. Uh, we're gonna get you know.

585
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: They they believe that if there's more perhaps quote unquote

586
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: security around them, they feel safer. And you mentioned in

587
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: the book, uh, and that you said you weren't picking

588
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: on them, but you just happen to come across something

589
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: for Gette Stadium, And I told you I had a

590
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: lot of experience with that because you know, as a

591
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: as a journalist, I covered in New England Patriots and

592
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I was down there and I talked to people that

593
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: were there and other media guys are you know, fans

594
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: that happen to be there, and they talked about, man,

595
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: they have all the security around here, and nothing's gonna

596
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: happen here, and you want to say, look, these guys

597
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: are fifteen an hour. You know, guys, they're they're watching

598
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: what's going on more on the field than they are

599
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: what's going on around them. And they're not trained to

600
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: pick up on the nuances of what might happen before

601
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, they're not. They're not security training at

602
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: all in fact, and I don't have the book in

603
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: front of me, but the qualifications I'm pretty sure we're

604
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: like you can work ten hours standing on your standing

605
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: on your feet, and you can take instruction like, no,

606
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to have a guard card, you don't

607
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: need to have like been a veteran. You don't need

608
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: to have been out of the military, or have like

609
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: police training, or be first responder certified, or have an

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00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: e MT license or even have like just basic first

611
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: Aid CPR certification. It's literally, are you over eighteen? Can

612
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: you stand on your feet for ten hours? Are you

613
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: okay making twelve dollars an hour? Those are the qualifications,

614
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: and those qualifications may make someone perfectly capable of tearing

615
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: your ticket in half and saying have a great day,

616
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: or of showing you where the bathrooms are or of

617
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: pointing you to, hey, do you know where the four

618
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 1: hundred section is? Can just basically point you in a

619
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: general direction. But those people would not should not be

620
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: the ones who are, you know, issuing instruction if there's

621
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: like a mass casualty event or if there's real trouble.

622
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: They are great at maybe getting the real police to

623
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: help or to calling in additional support, but to say

624
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: that they are security is is really a misnomer. And

625
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: you know, I would love for those those staffers to

626
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: be called ambassadors or liaisons or some other non security

627
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: related dynamic. But the problem is is that the people

628
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: who are drawn to those kinds of jobs are the

629
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: kind of people that want to have that cashe of

630
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: saying that there. You know, no one wants to say,

631
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: oh uh um, you know, I'm spending the day being

632
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: a ambassador for the Patriots. They want to say, oh,

633
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm working security for the Patriots because you know, that

634
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: kind of makes them sound cool with their friends. And

635
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: the reality is that that winds up doing more harm

636
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: than good because in those moments, I mean, which is

637
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: why you always see at every football game, especially the

638
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. What do you see after every Super Bowl

639
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: game is how many people breach security and got selfies

640
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: with famous people or who snuck up to the owner's

641
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: box or what have you. And it's because as long

642
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: as you just like acting like you're supposed to be there,

643
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: you can bypass most twelve dollar hour security guys because

644
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: there they don't have any investment in tell in in

645
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: getting outside of their lane. Because if someone's looking like

646
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be there, they are probably of an

647
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Speaker 1: upper echelon than they are, and they don't want to

648
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: lose their job. They have no and and they also

649
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: have a built in excuse, I'm just a twelve dollar

650
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: hour security guy, Like what do I know? And so

651
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you could literally do

652
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: less with more for the same price. You could instead

653
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: of hiring like five an hour guys, you can hire

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Speaker 1: one fifty dollar an hour person to do that same role,

655
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: and they would do it much more effectively because at

656
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: fifty an hour, protector is going to be well trained,

657
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: is going to have, you know, no problem being disagreeable,

658
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: is going to probably have a higher level of education

659
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: and emotional intelligence and a million other things. But the

660
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: that same person is also not going to wear a

661
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: yellow jacket emblazoned with security on the back because they

662
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: have too much self respect. But you know, but we

663
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: also see this with I'm sorry, but but we also

664
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: see this with um, you know, just going into supermarkets

665
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: or grocery stores or or what have you, where we see,

666
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, this premises is under twenty four hour surveillance.

667
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: And then we we look up and we see the

668
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: you know, the security cameras facing out, and we walk

669
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Speaker 1: inside and we see the guard and then we go

670
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: further inside and we see the turnstiles that are like

671
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: the anti theft devices, and then we look up and

672
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: we see the bubbles on the on the ceiling and

673
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: we're like wow, and this place really takes their security

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00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: very seriously. But those cameras aren't there for your safety.

675
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Those those cameras are there to keep the products safe,

676
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: you know. So like it's kind of like the ring

677
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: camera you're at your front door, that ring camera is

678
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: to keep you protected, not to keep the mailman safe.

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00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: So just because you see all of these security features

680
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: out and about, like understand that whatever whoever implemented a

681
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: security practice that was there to protect the person who

682
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: implemented it. It's not there to protect you so anytime

683
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: you're out there and you see these security features in place,

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00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: kind of treat it like if you saw like a

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: celebrity with a bodyguard. Just because there's security nearby doesn't

686
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: mean they're there for you exactly. And you know, um,

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00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: one of the things that I found, uh, very intriguing

688
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: in the book was you're not a big fan of

689
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: lockdown drills, and um, could you a little bit about that. Yeah,

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00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I'm a I'm not a

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00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: fan of lockdown drills, because there are times when lockdown

692
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: drills are very effective. For example. What I'm not a fan, however,

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Speaker 1: is run hide fight. I think run hyde foot is

694
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Speaker 1: the dumbest thing in the world. Now, okay, it's the

695
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: difference between when you shelter in place and when you

696
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: when you evacuate. You evacuate when there is a threat

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Speaker 1: inside the building. You shelter in place when there is

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Speaker 1: a threat outside the building. So shelter in place is

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00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: great for like hurricanes and tornadoes, and you know, um,

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Speaker 1: where things outside of your protective entity could like high winds,

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00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: falling trees, lightning, things like that. You want to be

702
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: inside for those you want to shelter in place. You

703
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: want to lock down because you're secure, and that way

704
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: you can keep everything that's bad from happening on the outside.

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00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: So let's say you're a school and the cops are

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00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: getting in a gunfight with someone who tried to rob

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00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: the bank down the street. You're gonna want to initiate

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00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: a lockdown for the school tool so that the kids

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Speaker 1: don't go out and get hit in crossfire. That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: But if that armed robber then you know, bypassed the

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00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: police and ran into the school and started taking people hostage,

712
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: you don't then want to lock down the school because

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00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: the bad guys already inside. At that point, you would

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00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: initiate an evacuation protocol, and you would want to put everyone.

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Speaker 1: You want to give everyone as much time distance, you know,

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Speaker 1: put as much time and distance between them and the

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00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: bad guy as possible. You you've been to serior school,

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: you understand, you know, uh, survive escape, resist um, escape, survive.

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Speaker 1: Well I got that wrong, didn't I survive escape, resist,

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00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: not survive evade evade? Sorry? Why was it escape escape?

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00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: So that's where it's been a few years. But that's

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Speaker 1: where like the initiation, like the initiation of run hYP

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Speaker 1: flight came from military application where if you're a pilot

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00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: or a special operator, you know, caught behind enemy lines

725
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: and you're taking prisoner of war and you're able to escape,

726
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: you're going to run. You're going to put as much

727
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: time and distance between you and the bad guys as possible.

728
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: You're gonna evade and try to get away. And then

729
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: if you get so tired that you can't keep running,

730
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna hide. You're gonna camouflage yourself. You're gonna regain

731
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Speaker 1: your strength and your energy so that you, once you

732
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: are recuperated, can keep running. And then if you are

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Speaker 1: reconfronted by the enemy, you're gonna fight like your life

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Speaker 1: depends on it, because it absolutely does. Now, that is

735
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: a great framework and mindset and tactical application for a soldier,

736
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: and it's even a good one for an individual, but

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00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: it is horrible as a collective because what ultimately run hide,

738
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 1: fight has become is run to your hiding spot, and

739
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: that is not what it was intended to do. And

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00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: but this happens because schools care more about accountability than

741
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: they do about survivability, which is why you know that

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00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: Old and I talked about this in the book like

743
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: that whole that old like you know, the cold work

744
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: kids were hard to kill under their desk in an

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00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: air raid drill. Like being under your desk in an

746
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: air raid drill is going to do nothing to save

747
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: your life. But what it will do is allow the

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00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: school to cross reference the seating chart with the central

749
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: office to know who it was that was dead underneath

750
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: that desk. And so, you know, but not only that,

751
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: like which is harder to hit the kid who's hiding,

752
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, coward and crying in the corner of a classroom,

753
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: or the one who's putting as much time and distance

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00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: with each step they take away from the bad guy,

755
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: many of whom like aren't even targeting them because schools

756
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: are all these like pockets of protection or workplaces or

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00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: offices or all these you know, these you know, isolated

758
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: pockets of protection, and so like, if the initiation of

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00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: violence breaks out, like that's your best time to flee,

760
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: get away, get out, run, run as far and as

761
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: fast as you can, because you know, bullets travel through

762
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: doors and bullet travel through windows. And it's not like

763
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: classrooms are like hard centers. Like watch a John Wick

764
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: movie and watch how easily a bullet rips right through

765
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: a door or a pained glass window or what have you.

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00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 1: And you know, there's this cottage industry that kind of

767
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: popped up about, like, you know, here's fifteen ways to

768
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: use your belt buckle, just like secure a door, but

769
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: literally right behind the guy's a first floor window, Like

770
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: go that way, climb out, get away. You know, A

771
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: a a a fire in a building is just as

772
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: dangerous and unpredictable as an active shooter. But we would

773
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: never hide from a fire and hope it doesn't find us.

774
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: We would run. And I think that parents and teachers

775
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: and family and friends really need to understand that when

776
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: people who are not trained protectors are telling you what

777
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: to do to protect yourself, you really need to think

778
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: long and hard about is what they're doing in your

779
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: best interest or in theirs. It's a great point. The

780
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: at the end of the book, you have some residential

781
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: and school security UM workplace safety checklists, and could you

782
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about those as well, because I

783
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: think those were really really good. And again it's it's

784
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: all stuff that I think that people can, you know,

785
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: integrate into their own homes and personal security. Yeah, so

786
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: the way that I framed the book was that I

787
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: used real world scenarios that either I had helped to

788
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: manage or that were are kind of like the the

789
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: staple anecdotes of of of the protective industry that serves

790
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: sort of a you know, the the the rosetta stone

791
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: for why we do what we do, and what I

792
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: do is I basically show, hey, look, here's what happened,

793
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: here's how it was allowed to happen, here's your protective takeaway,

794
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: and here's five things that you can do to keep

795
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: this bad thing from happening to you. And I outline

796
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: sixteen of these safety traps, everything from avoidance and complacency,

797
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: to over protecting our children, to over sharing on social media,

798
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 1: to the importance of physical fitness, to the importance of

799
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: not being overconfident. Then once I talk about those sixteen

800
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: safety traps, I provide a case study, and I provide

801
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: an overview of what threat management really is. And then

802
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: once you have those things in place, you're right. I

803
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: provide personal threat Assessment checklist for for home, school, work,

804
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: and life. Because what I want everyone to be able

805
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: to do is not say, Okay, now that I have

806
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: all this information, like, what do I do with it.

807
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: I wanted them to say, Okay, now I have all

808
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: this information and here is what I do with it.

809
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: So you can literally read this book and then pick

810
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: up the go to the school chapter or go to

811
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 1: the home chapter, and I'm going to tell you a story,

812
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and then I provide twent he five um questions. Here's

813
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: here's the question we're asking, Here's why this question is important,

814
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: and here's how you want to answer this so that

815
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: you can ensure the certainty of safety for everyone involved.

816
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: And whether that is about you know, does your home

817
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: have like I talked about, like the Foil method for

818
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: how to conduct a home security assessment? Everyone remembers Foil

819
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: from math class first Outer's inners lass to conduct a

820
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: home security assessment the same way. What are my first impressions?

821
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: What are the outsides tell me about this house? Where

822
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: the insides tell me about this house? What are my

823
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: lasting impressions? Because then and you can make this like

824
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: a family event because the more eyes, the more vantage points,

825
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: the more insights, the more takeaways that you have on

826
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: something like that, the more effective you can be. Do

827
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you have your name on your mailbox? Why is it?

828
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's great for its vanity, but you know,

829
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 1: maybe the person who is looking to stalk or target

830
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: you and those generally the area you live. Now you've

831
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: just told to make exactly where you live. Things with work,

832
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: like when was the last time your office how to

833
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: security assessment done? Who did it, what were their recommendations,

834
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: what recommendations were implemented? Why weren't other Why were these

835
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: security recommendations implemented over these other security recommendations. Same thing

836
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: with schools, like what is the different Like when you're

837
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: talking about the difference between when to shelter in place

838
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: and when to evacuate, who is the decision maker for

839
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: that decision? What? What? What is their training? What dictates

840
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: how they're going to do it? When you know, is

841
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: there a threat management program? Is there a school resource officer? It?

842
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: Does the school care about more about you know, just

843
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: sort of checking the block or are they interested in

844
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, having the parents or the PTA or the

845
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: school board get more involved in those decision making process.

846
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: You know, so many parents are are so concerned about

847
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: their children's safety, but then on the flip side are

848
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: just equally pacified by being told that everything is being

849
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: done to keep their children safe. And you know, the

850
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: the more parents ask the hard questions of those decision makers,

851
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: the more especially after they've read this book, the more

852
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: informed they will be to know if those are the

853
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: best decisions possible. Because and informed society is a safer

854
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: society because the more insight, the more intelligence, the more background,

855
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: and the more you know understanding of nuance we are,

856
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: the more informed of a decision we can make, and

857
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the better that decision. Those decisions will be about ensuring

858
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: the certainty of our safety. But if we just you know,

859
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 1: choose to shirk our responsibility and and you know, pass

860
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: that burden onto another, more often than not, that burden

861
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: is just going to get, you know, reallocated to someone else,

862
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: and it's going to be a you know, a past

863
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: the buck down the lane, and then everyone is basically

864
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: playing a game of musical chairs when what they could

865
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: have been doing is making sure that everyone had a

866
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: chair in the first place. Absolutely, and and even somebody

867
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: like yourself, somebody made the poor, yeah, of trying to

868
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,399
Speaker 1: break into your own home, yea, literally a month ago.

869
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: And here's the thing is that, like I had just

870
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: done this podcast with Andy Murphy, who's who's like the

871
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: secure dad he's got a podcast, The Secure Dad's Great

872
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: check it out. He's got a book on Amazon, and

873
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: he and I had just spent like an hour going

874
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 1: through like all of these like home security safety tips

875
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: and you know what works, what doesn't work, what should

876
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: you do, what works for you? And then I had

877
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: posted my own uh content on on my YouTube channel.

878
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: I have a podcast as well talking about home security strategies.

879
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: And then that Monday night, I go to bed like

880
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: around midnight, and you know, one ten in the morning,

881
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: my dog just goes like just like he goes from

882
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: charity here, and I'm like, what is going on? I

883
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: sit because you know, typically he's the kind of dog

884
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: that likely and you know, and then and then puts

885
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: his heapic down goes back to sleep, but this was

886
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: a time where he was just like, Oh, something's going on,

887
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 1: and I want at him. So I sit up and

888
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: I can see, like through the corner of my window

889
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: that the outside motion lights are on. So I look

890
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: over at my phone and it's just full of security alerts.

891
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: And then I look at my watch and it's motion

892
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: back door, motion back door, motioned back door, and I'm like, oh,

893
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: here we go. So I I keep like a Remington

894
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: eight seventy right right, a tactical shotgun right by my bed,

895
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't have a wife or kids, so

896
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: it's it's the only other person that would possibly get

897
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: in the way of that weapon is rown and he

898
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have a posable thumb, so fairly safe. It's fairly

899
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: certain to say. Anyway, I haven't gone from a dead

900
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: sleep too armed and ready that fast since uh like

901
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: the sandbox and uh, it was one good to know

902
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: that I still had that skill set and to uh

903
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of scary that someone, because like I had said before,

904
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: someone comes at night, they're typically coming for you. And

905
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: I pull up the security camera on my phone and

906
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: I see that the guy is uh. He had already

907
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: tried the front door and was coming around the back

908
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: to go through uh the fence off my driveway that

909
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: would lead to the back door. So I let Ronan

910
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: out the back door so that he can catch the

911
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: guy if he gets through the fence, and I kind

912
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: of circle around to go out. I flank around the

913
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: front door so that I can catch him in a

914
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: in a turkey shoot between me and Ronan, and I

915
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: was like a couple of seconds too slow, because the

916
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: time by the time I had come outside the front door,

917
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: the guy Ronan was so effective at scaring the guy

918
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: off that he had taken off running. But when I

919
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: talked about those those five ds for home security, and

920
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: I talked about the delay a the D for the delay,

921
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: what actually wound up saving that bad guy's life was

922
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: that when Ronan was about six months old, he was

923
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: big enough and strong enough that he could push the

924
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: fence open. And so what I had done was just

925
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: put a couple of bungee cords across the fence to

926
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,439
Speaker 1: keep it from swinging open if he if he tried

927
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: to push it. So it wasn't just a matter of

928
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: like the simple latch. The guy had undone the supp latch,

929
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: and he had undone one bungee cord and was working

930
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: on the second when Ronan came bounding around the corner

931
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: to get him, and then he took off running. As

932
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: I was running towards the front door. He was just

933
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: a little he was motivated to move a bit faster

934
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: than I was, and uh, and he was off the property.

935
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes it's those really simple safeguards that

936
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: are the most effective. But again, it's all about participating

937
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: in your own protection. I had a plan. I knew

938
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do. I knew how I was

939
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: going to get there. I knew, you know, I had

940
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: the cameras and the lights, and the wherewithal and the

941
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: training and the resources and the and the and the

942
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: willingness to participate in my own protection. But you know,

943
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: like what if I hadn't, and what if that guy

944
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: did get into the house, and you know, like that

945
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: that I reported it and so did my neighbors, and

946
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, that guy wind up getting arrested like about

947
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: ninety minutes later, about half half a mile down the street,

948
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: like coming off with someone else's property because he was,

949
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, homeless and had a drug problem, and it

950
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: was typical drugs he can behavior. He was gonna look

951
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: for things he could you know, snag and steal and

952
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: then also hit like the medicine closet to see if

953
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: they were like you know, drugs he could take or

954
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: what have you. But you know, it's also a concern

955
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: because when I live in a safe area, I live

956
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: in a I live in a nice neighborhood, and to

957
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: think that, you know, even someone like me with the

958
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: but like people who were making those kinds of decisions,

959
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: don't always think rationally, and you know it's you know

960
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: that you know that there's like those those tenants of

961
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: leadership where you want to anticipate the needs of others.

962
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes staying safe is about anticipating the idiocy of others.

963
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: We do it when we drive, we do it when

964
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: we're you know, in our cars. And the more that

965
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: we can adopt that same framework of understanding of not

966
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: being scared, not being fearful, but just kind of having

967
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: that healthy sense of vigilance to be like, hey, what

968
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: is this guy doing and why is he doing it?

969
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: That's not right? If this breaks bad, what am I

970
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna do? So that you know, we can participate in

971
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: our protection when when moments matter most. Yeah, and uh,

972
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, Spencer, We we want to thank you for

973
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: taking the time with us this afternoon. Spencer's book it's

974
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: called The Safety Trap. UM. He also has a great

975
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: podcast in which we just mentioned a few minutes ago,

976
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: called Coursen's Corner. I encourage all of our listeners to

977
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: check that out. There's some great stuff and that you know,

978
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, what's maybe the weirdest thing

979
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: that you'd ever experienced with one of your say, celebrity clients.

980
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: But then it was kind of blown out of the

981
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: water because I was watching the news the other night

982
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: and I saw a guy and I was like, I

983
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: hope he wasn't a celebrity because if he had some security,

984
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: it would have been really difficult. Got swallowed by a

985
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: whale off the coast of Cape Cod. I don't know

986
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: if he just I did. I did. He was like

987
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it all went dark, and

988
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: then uh, I was like, dude, what is this? Like

989
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: a like a Pinocchio reference, Like yeah, I was thinking,

990
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, he was like, what would you do? You guys,

991
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what I mean, but I

992
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: mean I guess you know. Thankfully he didn't taste too

993
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: good because you know, they spit them up. But yeah,

994
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: but can you imagine just like swimming and then all

995
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're in a whale's mouth, Like, oh man,

996
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, Like what would you do? Because it

997
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: brought me back. I worked for a short time for

998
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: a family that was very wealthy and the dad was

999
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 1: getting up there in years and but he loved to swim,

1000
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: and we were off the coast of Africa, and you know,

1001
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: he wanted to swim in the ocean, so I said, well,

1002
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna swim with you, and that brought me back.

1003
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what comes and swallows the dad? I mean,

1004
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do at that point? I

1005
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,919
Speaker 1: don't think any of us ever envisioned anything like that before. Yeah,

1006
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: it's not like your security detail is gonna be putting

1007
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: like a humpback whale in a rear naked choke, you know,

1008
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: to you know, they like look at an armed bar.

1009
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: The guy likes the like tactical disarming technique there. I mean,

1010
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: and by the twelve toime whale, I don't think he'd

1011
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: get your arms around his No, no, no, yeah, but

1012
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: again yeah, I don't even like, can you really even

1013
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: argue like awareness at that point, because like, are you

1014
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: really expecting a whale to just like comed out of

1015
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: the It just shows up. Anything can happen. Yeah. Well,

1016
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: here's the thing is that it's not so much about

1017
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: like worrying about the improbable as it is about like

1018
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: paying attention to the possible. Like I am not worried

1019
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: about an alien invasion. I am worried about the homeless

1020
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: problem in Austin. So kind of like, tend to the

1021
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: part of the garden you can touch, and you know,

1022
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: put your faith in confidence in and that everyone else

1023
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: is doing the same and hopefully that hall, that entire

1024
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: garden can get tended. But just saying that you're not

1025
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: going to attend to your part of the garden because

1026
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: you can't touch the whole thing, is is just a

1027
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster. And is you know, not doing your

1028
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: neighborly duty or your citizenry or or what have you.

1029
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: So do what you can start small, builds strong. Read

1030
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: this book, you know, come for the story, stay for

1031
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: the lesson, master the strategies to keep you and your

1032
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: loved ones protected and uh, you know, I really hope

1033
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: that this book. I do not want this book to

1034
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: be like scary or fearmongering. I really wanted this book

1035
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: to be a resource guide and uh and a helpful

1036
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: manual and an entertaining read so that you can live

1037
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: your very best life the safest way possible. And Steve,

1038
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for having me on. This

1039
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: is a great conversation. I would love to have you

1040
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: on my own podcast. I would love to come back

1041
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: on yours. Thank you, Thank you so much. I really

1042
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: appreciate all of your support. Oh anytime, It's been fun.

1043
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, uh, it's a great resource,

1044
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: as you just said for our readers out there, and

1045
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: definitely check it out. And Spencer's books called The Safety Drap.

1046
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: You can find it on Amazon dot com. It just

1047
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: came out a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully we're gonna

1048
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: see it on that New York Times list and uh,

1049
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully, uh, you know, by the time your

1050
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: next book comes out, if there is one, we'll have

1051
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: you back on the podcast. We'll talk about that and

1052
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, we'll well, we'll definitely have some better stories

1053
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: to talk about. But his, yeah, your book, and I

1054
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: want to reiterate this to all our listeners. Uh, Spencer's

1055
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: book is filled with some of his own experiences and

1056
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: it talks about how these practical applications can be used,

1057
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: and we encourage all of our readers and listeners out

1058
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: there to do that. But before we go any further,

1059
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: just wanted to read a quick note. If you want

1060
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: to get softwarep on your phone, download our free mobile

1061
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,200
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00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,120
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00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,400
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00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: and our exclusive team reforms of content available on all

1065
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: your Apple and Android devices. Spencer, thanks once again, this

1066
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I definitely would love to

1067
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: have you back on again. Steeve, thank you so much,

1068
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: really really great alrppreciate you. The soft rep community, thank

1069
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,440
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