WEBVTT - MAGA Attempts Hostile Takeover at FAMU | MiniPod 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.320 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:08.760 with Recent Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:14.920 Welcome Home. Everybody this is They are Tiffany Cross and 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.640 Angela Riot. I'm Andrew Killham. You're tuned into this week's 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:21.759 mini pod and I wanted to talk about We didn't 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.439 get to talk about it in the general show, but 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:28.640 my experience right now in Florida and as a graduate 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:31.000 of fam you really bought this to the top of 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:33.240 the radar for me, and I know that it's a 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.839 story similar to many other HPCs around the country, and 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:39.880 that is FAMU right now is in this in the 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.360 hunt for a new permanent president. That process has been 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.880 opened for a while, received candidate applications for it, and 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:53.680 they've been shortlisted, and there's been lots said about the 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:58.600 behind the scenes process that has been undertaken by maybe 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.600 certain members of the Board of Trustees to produce a 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:10.679 certain outcome. In Florida, all conversations about votes about presidential searches, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.800 they're in public, they're public records, the deliberations they're supposed 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.960 to be done publicly, and so we always find it 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.720 strange when you start hearing rumors of hey, that person's 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.959 already had eight votes, or you know, the other candidates 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.080 they're in there, but there's not a chance because we've 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:32.360 already picked the one. And it seems that there may 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.880 be some of that Shenanigan playing in this case, and 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.640 I wanted to broaden it out. Yes, we can talk 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.640 specifically about fam you, I know, I'm happy to. But 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:48.440 the truth is is, nationally we have seen under Republican 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.480 governors across the country in many states, if not if 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.640 they hadn't already had processes where boards of trustees or 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.560 governing boards of an institution are appointed by the governor, 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:05.840 sometimes boards of education and and and and whatnot. But 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.720 the end result is that it leads to a greater 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:13.880 politicization of the education system, where you basically get the 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.919 friends of the governor or friends of people in power 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.680 who end up getting named whether or not these people 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.240 are graduates of an institution, whether they have previously been 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:28.040 supporters of said institution, whether they believe HBCUs should exist 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.320 at all, And in some cases, just as we have 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.840 Betsy Davos at the Department of Education in Washington, d C. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.560 Someone who does not believe in the She's not there anymore, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.520 but we had her there. 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:43.919 The point being, the point I'm trying to make, and 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:49.560 I appreciate the correction, is that the politicization you put people, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.280 you're putting foxes over henhouses. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.600 Yeah, the man is there now and she literally is 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.160 there to abolish the body Slimmit. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.720 You are absolutely right. I used the Betsy example because 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.680 she's a big, big funder of charters, right, her family, 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.959 her philanthropic giving, all the things that she funds in 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:12.359 her and her family were toward charter schools and basically 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.320 taking public money and putting it into private institutions. Right. 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:20.000 But they're putting these positions over the same institutions they're 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.720 supposed to be shepherding, making sure are well resourced. They're 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.239 they're really in there to do a hatchet job. And 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.000 as Tiffany just pointed out, the current Secretary of McMahon 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:31.880 is it McMahon, Linda McMahon. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:32.560 Linda McMahon. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:38.360 Yeah, is similarly in the position to destroy the Department 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.200 of Education, to phase it out as a department, even 0:03:42.240 --> 0:03:44.320 though we know Congress would would have to be required 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:48.160 in order for that to be accomplished. They're bringing well 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:49.680 it used to be. That's true when they have I 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:50.680 don't know what the rules. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.320 Are anymore, and nobody Andrew. She was somewhere, I forget that. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:56.880 You all probably saw this clip, and she was somewhere 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.480 talking about a one education and a one education is 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.600 going to be taught in schools, and she supports a 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.200 one education. Do you know what this dizzy, half witted 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:13.160 idiot was trying to say AI? He was trying to 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:19.080 say AI and was and said A one numerous times. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.520 This is the person they put in charge of the 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.160 Department of Education. This is not a serious administration at all. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.080 Syfany I was about to say she got set up 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.359 by a stafford, but just have. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.800 To read this an idiot. She's not well versed, she's 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.640 not cultured. 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.320 She's not the point that we need a good education system. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:37.000 You almost got to go out your way to not 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:38.680 know what AI means, like you almost have to, like 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:40.920 I refuse to read a paper ever to not know 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:43.360 about the intersection of AI and education. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.280 Right now, but perusing your speech, you asked somebody what 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:48.640 is a one right? 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:49.440 Right? 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.760 If you are confused, you asked, But even if you like, 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.960 if that's something you're used to seeing which is written 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.080 about all the time, like you would see that and 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:02.880 immediately know it's not calling the DJ does, like you 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:05.040 know that there was between the made up department and 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.160 the actual Department of Justice. But before you get too 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:10.120 deep an education, can you just explain to me, like 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.440 you're talking to a five year old, what is the 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.640 deal at am you're. 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:15.080 Trying to hire a president? 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.920 Okay, and that church the governor appoints. 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.200 No, the butter the governor appoints a board of trustees. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.600 So if you if you're familiar with and by the way, 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.760 this may not exist everywhere for everybody. Florida a long 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:33.719 time ago used to have one one board that governed 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:37.600 all of our state universities. Jeff Bush, when he came in, 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.800 got rid of that one board who acted in the 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.000 interests per se of all of the state's higher education 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:49.520 institutions public institutions, and he replaced them with individual boards 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:54.719 of trustees at each college campus. So privates have always 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.920 largely existed this way. Each private school has a board 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.599 of trustees or of governance, but some one who sits 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.600 above the president to the so that the president would 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:08.960 be accountable to them. That politicization with these appointments coming 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:14.840 largely from political individuals, have created the circumstance where in 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.480 many instances the boards are not acting in the interest 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:22.600 of that campus, but are doing the bidding of their appointers. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.320 So if their appointer is Ron de Santis and Rondo 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.600 Santis has decided that DEI is to be dead in 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:34.520 the state of Florida, and that any institution who continues 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:40.480 a policy where they value diversity, equity and inclusion they 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.720 can be if he has the power to remove them 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.880 or not appoint them, reappoint them again. It becomes a 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.120 cudgel over their heads where you either do my bidding 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.160 or you don't do bidding at all. You come off 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.240 the board. You understand what I mean by But how 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:56.599 would you. 0:06:56.640 --> 0:06:58.240 Even kill DEI. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.880 At an HBCUs just say again Project twenty twenty five, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.880 they actually are like that is not one of their targets. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.520 They actually are okay with hbcs because they're like, yes, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.280 send black people there. But the funding part, that part 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.160 is something that we have to question. The executive order 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:15.920 that Donald Trump, which we have to remind people, is 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.880 not a law. Executive orders are not laws, and so 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.800 I'm still confused on how you actually execute that, but 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:23.640 it didn't say any It was a bunch of nothing 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.160 to me in that, you know, I didn't really understand it. 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.920 So I'm curious because I think FAM you can be 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.360 the poster child on how worried and concerned we should be. 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.720 For HBC's I'm curious how this might go, like who 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.280 are the Is he looking to put a Republican as president? 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.000 Is he influencing the board of trustees? 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.880 So again, all of these this is the stuff that 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.920 is happening behind the scenes. So I'm hesitant to say 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:53.320 who is doing what, and more interested in the fact 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:58.480 that the process is being disrupted that we can no 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:02.240 longer trust that the people who become finalists for these 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:08.960 jobs uh to lead these institutions are finalists because there's 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:12.760 a ringer in there. There were their finalists, because there's 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:16.840 somebody who is percolating to the top. In fam use case, 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.640 the candidate who is seen to be the one to 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.560 be the one who has come out appearing to have 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.040 the support of at least all the known Republicans that 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.160 I know who are on the board and who are 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.080 doing their level best to cozy up to the administration. 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:41.120 Are supporting this one candidate. This one candidate happens to 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:46.280 have never ever worked in higher education as an employee, 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.720 never been an administrator of a college, never been a president, 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.880 and is against being has been set up against candidates 0:08:54.920 --> 0:09:00.240 who actually do have higher education experience. Provosts don't. 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:00.920 I don't want to do it. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.760 No, I'll say I'll say her name or name. Actually, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:06.559 you know what. The reason why I'm not naming the 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:08.880 person is because I actually think the issue is bigger 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.800 than the individual. The issue that I really have with 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:17.920 it is politics being used to maneuver a process which 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:22.040 is supposed to be about fam you and famuse, famuse 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:23.839 future and what is in the best interest of the 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.040 institution that is being hijacked by not? 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.040 Is it Marv Marva Johnson. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.800 Marva Johnson is the candidate that is being championed. Yes, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:38.959 and we again, I'm not afraid. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:43.000 Vice President for State Government Affairs at Charter Communications. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:44.840 Yeah. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:49.160 Yeah, the other people come from. Yes. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.640 Ronde Allen, Provosts and Vice President for af Academic Affairs 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.280 at University of Maryland Eastern Shore, Gerald Hector. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.520 Somebody's doorbells ring and it's not my this time. 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.080 Gerald Heger definitely, it's definitely somebody else. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.240 And your vice president for Administration and Finance and University 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.240 of Central Florida and Donald Palm who's the executive vice 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:15.000 president and COO at FAMU. Marva Johnson is a group 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:20.480 vice president for State Government Affairs at Charter Communications, correct. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.120 The state Charter. 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.080 So to the point, we would expect that in evaluating 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.480 the candidate for president of the largest single campus HBCU 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.040 in the country, the largest producer of black bacalaureate, masterial, 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.160 and doctoral degree holders amongst black folk in the state 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:48.240 of Florida and leading in the country, would have a 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:53.199 president who has some experience at running in institution of 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:53.880 higher education. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:55.080 Are all these folks black? 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.079 Uh? Those to my knowledge? Yes? 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.880 Okay Marvel Marvel went to Georgetown. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.000 Yeah, I mean she has to college and she has degrees. 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.920 And is she a Republican? She's a mega supporter. What's 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:11.560 her Yes? 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.920 In fact, some of the look I don't know her 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.160 personal party affiliation. I do know in the spaces in 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.400 which she works where a lot of their political money goes. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.280 And the fact that she is a support of Rohnda 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.120 Scantist and there is a campaign that refers to her 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:28.960 as Maga Marva. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:36.559 Well Maga Marva is or was a commissioner appointed of 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.400 the state Board. The appointed a constitution revision commission. She 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.440 was a commissioner on that appointed by the governor. Looks 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.959 like in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I'm just trying to 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:52.480 figure out what prepares Marva to be the president of 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:56.480 the college. It says that she's loyalty served as chair. 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:59.120 So she served as chair of the Florida State Board 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.960 of Education. It says that she said, I'm not I'm 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:04.840 not saying this is run. I'm just trying to figure 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.720 out what they would argue grounds her. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.080 What they're arguing, I don't mind sharing that she can 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.480 she because of her corporate contacts, that she can raise 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.439 money for Florida A and M University. And by the way, 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.640 anybody who's ever applied to lead an organization or job 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.679 commits to being able to raise godly on some you know, 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:29.960 godly amounts of money. Uh. And guess what after they 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.640 get the job, giving stays about where it is and 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.240 and problem, you know, life goes on and nobody removes 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:39.440 that person because they failed to bring on godly amounts 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:40.760 of money to the institution. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.720 What's needed, Andrew, because to me, this is a big deal, 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.400 pretty serious, and I didn't quite understand it when you 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:48.959 were saying it before, but now that I'm hearing you, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.920 this is actually a very serious issue that needs urgent attention. 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.000 I'm thinking about all the family alumni who we know, 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:02.440 you included. We cannot put the hand like our precious HBCUs. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.319 In the hands of MAGA. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:10.079 People give them we see any higher education exp like 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:11.720 I'm going through an. 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.600 Outside of that. Like, to me, that's not the biggest flag. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.920 The biggest flags of me is that she's MAGA and 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.720 b flag for me is that she has no I don't. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.520 Think the higher education administrator. And in order to be 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.160 considered for a vice president role, let alone of president, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.439 you have to have had some years of experience in 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:33.280 higher education. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:37.120 She doesn't have ANGELA, it doesn't her qualifications do not 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.520 even meet with FAM. You advertise this as needing for 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:42.080 the position. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.000 And then here's the thing that makes it even worse. 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.719 And I'm just gonna call a thing a thing. You're 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.320 you want to constantly come at us about black folks 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:54.160 who don't meet qualifications, and that's d I and then 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.360 they go and get somebody who was remarkably unqualified to 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.000 drill home their point that we're not quality. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.480 That is not our choosing, that's y'all's choosing. We ain't choosing. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.040 When we talked about HEXF and we talked about the 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.920 Joint chiefs of Staffs person where the President had to 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.880 waive the qualifications for the position in order to get 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.480 the black man out and put his person in. My concern, y'all, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.480 is for fam you most immediately, but it is for 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:28.760 our institutions, our institutions that are being politicized and overly politicized, 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.080 where you can't no longer trust these processes to deliver 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.280 a candidate who's most qualified and best for the institution, 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.640 but rather one who is most reliable to ensuring the 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.200 agenda of said politician. 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.520 I think one of the biggest concerns I have to 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.160 andrew in terms of putting our HBCUs in these hands, 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.120 like we've seen what happened at other institutions of higher education, 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.640 starting Columbia, like they are turning over universities are capitulating 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.200 to this administration, turning over sensitive data, private information about 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:06.160 the student body there and so often, but even before 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.240 we get to curriculum. The very specific thing that concerns me. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:13.120 When we talk about immigration, we rarely think about black immigrants. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:16.040 But there are a huge number of black people who 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.520 attend HBCUs who. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.600 Were not born in America. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.560 And so if you put a MAGA person over fam you, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.440 that means people who may have been born in Jamaica 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.560 who are attending school, people who've been born on the 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:29.840 continent in Nigeria, like I know at c AU and 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:35.120 AUC there were all types of foreign born students attending school, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:36.960 and so you could you could be doing things like 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:41.800 inviting ice on campus to now deport to the government's 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:46.280 disappearing people and are just even our personal like our 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:49.840 social security number everything, you're turning that over And to 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:55.960 your point andree the protest laws in in Florida, that's 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.080 really serious. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.880 And in the country. I think, if I know, we've 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:04.000 got to rap on this, and I regret that I 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.160 didn't do that as complete a job at highlighting I 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.920 think the real concerns here of me as an alumnus 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.480 of an HBCU very specifically fam you. But to give 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:20.320 you one example, we have student leaders who are not 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.520 prepared to weigh into this fight because they're in fear 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.720 of what would happen to them if they opposed a 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.240 candidate of choice. Would they would they somehow figure out 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.640 a way to keep their degrees from them? Would they 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.720 somehow figure out a way that the letters of recommendation 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.280 for graduate school or to law school or medical school 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:45.960 could be withheld by administrators because they opposed a candidate 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:49.920 for president. This is terrifying because the university environment is 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.720 exactly where you would expect to see protests where you 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.400 exactly expect to see young people who are enlightened standing 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.360 up and saying not here, not today, not now, not ever. 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.080 And now our folks, who generally, at this stage in 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:11.040 their lives are free to express their free opinions, are 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.879 no longer free because they've got to be concerned at 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.200 what they see happening at the federal level, where folks 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:22.240 are being disappeared on the street because of political disagreement. 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.480 So what all I'm saying is that the efforts that 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.080 we are seeing happen nationally are trickling down such to 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:36.320 the point that even at a state institution HBCU, folks 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.560 are in fear of retribution for saying I just want 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.080 to qualify candidate to be my president. I just saying, 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.000 I just want someone who is going to look out 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:48.160 for our best interests first and foremost. 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.800 I just say, because we only have three minutes left, 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.240 what is the most urgent ass like, what can we 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:53.959 need right now? 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.440 There is a letter circulating for rattlers, students, fans of FAM, 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.560 youse support orders of the Institution. You all could sign, 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:08.720 myself included to say one, we want somebody with experience 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.920 who meets the minimum qualifications to be considered for the presidency. 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.280 So eliminate those who don't meet that criteria. They may not, 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.639 but we then secondly, we'll call that person out for you. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.800 If you can't tell from their resume in your interview 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.399 that they're not qualified, let us just simply go to 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.440 the record. Let's look at the facts. Tell me where 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:34.639 this person meets the qualifications for higher education governance. You see, you, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.639 we can't just have a president who fundraises. We can't 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.600 just have a president who is an administrator. We can't 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:42.520 just have a president who understands the goals and the 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.600 missions of historically black universities and understands the special character 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.240 of FAM. You as a state institution who doesn't believe 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.320 and the legacy of HBCUs and the fact that we 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.000 were shut out of every other state school until fam 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.880 You got created eighteen eighty seven, and at that point 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.960 we have produced exactly the kind of outcomes you would 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.159 want to see in exemplary fashion. But if we have 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:10.359 a president who doesn't believe in HBCUs, who is willing 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.760 to capitulate to what the governor says we ought to 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.480 be and what we ought to do, and who's doing 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:21.320 the bidding of a maga, then we begin the destruction 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:25.040 of ourselves. And we cannot be sleep walking during this time. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:28.480 So my call is one wake up to get that letter, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:30.840 Sign that letter, and we could make it available on 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.800 the post notes. You know how to access it. But 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:38.000 it is moving around rather organically now to folks to 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.760 raise the specter that y'all can't come here and do 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:43.879 anything and treat us any kind of way just because 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.000 we the Black school, and that if you come for us, 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:50.680 we're coming back for you. So my hope is that 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.600 we could get some real justice out of this process, 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.280 and justice to me would be the appointment of a qualified, 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:03.280 fully qualified individual to the position and quite Frankly, the 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.399 other candidates meet the minimum requirements, So why are we 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.720 being played? Why the politics on us? 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.040 I just went through this lady's whole resume, like the 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:14.520 one that she submitted. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:18.480 To FAM you, and it's still no. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:19.919 I'm literally the. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.800 Only education experience she has is being appointed by Rick 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.600 Scott and then being appointed to a different board by 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.160 Ron de Santis. It doesn't make any sense. She has 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:34.680 no experience at the Florida College Foundation board. She's on 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.440 the Pace Academy for Girls. She's on the Florida Scholars 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.040 Academy board appointed by DeSantis and the Florida State Board 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.399 of Education for eight years. There is no other higher 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:49.639 education k through tale of education pre early child, no 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.159 other experience in education, at least not listed on her 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.080 resume that she submitted for the presidential search, without which 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.040 I would find interesting. 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:01.240 Yeah, for sure. It's just it's sickening for them to 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.399 think that they can just throw anything at us and 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.119 that we're going to be okay. And that to me 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.639 is a reflection of their vowe where they value us 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.520 and you can't value me and send me somebody who 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:17.200 ain't never run no institution, FAM you when it advertises 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.600 for its president. We ought to be getting the krem 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:23.119 de la creme of candidates and higher education coming to 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.639 apply for these positions. The reason we are not is 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.960 because real academics aren't interested in the politics. They're not 0:21:31.080 --> 0:21:34.359 interested in being a do boy or a do girl 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.560 for Governor X or y or Z. They're there in 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.880 service to the institution. And Marvin may be a very 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.359 good person as an individual. I'm not assaulting that. What 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:50.280 I'm assaulting is the very clear absence of qualifications for 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:54.280 the position that she seeks. And because I love FAM you, 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.040 and because I love our HBCUs, we can't let our 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.159 banner institutions fall at this level. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:02.200 Of an. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:08.280 She got a her resume that's quoted named Roscoe Young. 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:11.920 He runs something called the Young Kinsley Technology Group, and 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:13.320 that ain't even based in Florida. 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:15.399 Did he go to FAM? You do you know Roscoe? 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:16.440 See Young? Andrew. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.400 I don't know Roscoe. I know some Roscoe's all right. 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:22.920 Well on that note, welcome home, y'all anyway, Yeah, welcome 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:25.080 FAM you alumni step up though, this. 0:22:25.200 --> 0:22:29.160 Is this is just staying with you, HBCUs. Period. Yeah. 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.600 If Roscoe Young didn't go to FAM, and she didn't 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.159 quote him. I don't know why y'all got me down 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:34.359 this rabbit hole, but I'm down it. 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.280 Well it's a rabbit hole because it's it's a it's 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:37.800 a mess. 0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:41.399 Well, hopefully you keep us posted, Andrew. Maybe on the 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.320 next episode we'll talk. 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.399 More about what it's all being decided, y'all in the 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.600 next twelve to eighteen days. Just no things are moving. 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:53.280 Thanks for tuning in to the mini pod, you guys. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:23:11.680 Thanks for Native lampard is the production of iHeartRadio in 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.720