1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio and partnership 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: with Recent Choice Media. Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Welcome Home. Everybody this is They are Tiffany Cross and 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Angela Riot. I'm Andrew Killham. You're tuned into this week's 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: mini pod and I wanted to talk about We didn't 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: get to talk about it in the general show, but 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: my experience right now in Florida and as a graduate 8 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: of fam you really bought this to the top of 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: the radar for me, and I know that it's a 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: story similar to many other HPCs around the country, and 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: that is FAMU right now is in this in the 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: hunt for a new permanent president. That process has been 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: opened for a while, received candidate applications for it, and 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: they've been shortlisted, and there's been lots said about the 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: behind the scenes process that has been undertaken by maybe 16 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: certain members of the Board of Trustees to produce a 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: certain outcome. In Florida, all conversations about votes about presidential searches, 18 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: they're in public, they're public records, the deliberations they're supposed 19 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: to be done publicly, and so we always find it 20 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: strange when you start hearing rumors of hey, that person's 21 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: already had eight votes, or you know, the other candidates 22 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: they're in there, but there's not a chance because we've 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: already picked the one. And it seems that there may 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: be some of that Shenanigan playing in this case, and 25 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to broaden it out. Yes, we can talk 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: specifically about fam you, I know, I'm happy to. But 27 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: the truth is is, nationally we have seen under Republican 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: governors across the country in many states, if not if 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: they hadn't already had processes where boards of trustees or 30 00:01:55,720 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: governing boards of an institution are appointed by the governor, 31 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: sometimes boards of education and and and and whatnot. But 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: the end result is that it leads to a greater 33 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: politicization of the education system, where you basically get the 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: friends of the governor or friends of people in power 35 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: who end up getting named whether or not these people 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: are graduates of an institution, whether they have previously been 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: supporters of said institution, whether they believe HBCUs should exist 38 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: at all, And in some cases, just as we have 39 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: Betsy Davos at the Department of Education in Washington, d C. 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: Someone who does not believe in the She's not there anymore, 41 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: but we had her there. 42 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: The point being, the point I'm trying to make, and 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate the correction, is that the politicization you put people, 44 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: you're putting foxes over henhouses. 45 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the man is there now and she literally is 46 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: there to abolish the body Slimmit. 47 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: You are absolutely right. I used the Betsy example because 48 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: she's a big, big funder of charters, right, her family, 49 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: her philanthropic giving, all the things that she funds in 50 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: her and her family were toward charter schools and basically 51 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: taking public money and putting it into private institutions. Right. 52 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: But they're putting these positions over the same institutions they're 53 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be shepherding, making sure are well resourced. They're 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: they're really in there to do a hatchet job. And 55 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: as Tiffany just pointed out, the current Secretary of McMahon 56 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: is it McMahon, Linda McMahon. 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: Linda McMahon. 58 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, is similarly in the position to destroy the Department 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: of Education, to phase it out as a department, even 60 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: though we know Congress would would have to be required 61 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: in order for that to be accomplished. They're bringing well 62 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: it used to be. That's true when they have I 63 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: don't know what the rules. 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: Are anymore, and nobody Andrew. She was somewhere, I forget that. 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: You all probably saw this clip, and she was somewhere 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: talking about a one education and a one education is 67 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: going to be taught in schools, and she supports a 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: one education. Do you know what this dizzy, half witted 69 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: idiot was trying to say AI? He was trying to 70 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: say AI and was and said A one numerous times. 71 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: This is the person they put in charge of the 72 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 3: Department of Education. This is not a serious administration at all. 73 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Syfany I was about to say she got set up 74 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: by a stafford, but just have. 75 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: To read this an idiot. She's not well versed, she's 76 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: not cultured. 77 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: She's not the point that we need a good education system. 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: You almost got to go out your way to not 79 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: know what AI means, like you almost have to, like 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: I refuse to read a paper ever to not know 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 3: about the intersection of AI and education. 82 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: Right now, but perusing your speech, you asked somebody what 83 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: is a one right? 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 4: Right? 85 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: If you are confused, you asked, But even if you like, 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: if that's something you're used to seeing which is written 87 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: about all the time, like you would see that and 88 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: immediately know it's not calling the DJ does, like you 89 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: know that there was between the made up department and 90 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: the actual Department of Justice. But before you get too 91 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: deep an education, can you just explain to me, like 92 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: you're talking to a five year old, what is the 93 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: deal at am you're. 94 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Trying to hire a president? 95 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: Okay, and that church the governor appoints. 96 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: No, the butter the governor appoints a board of trustees. 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: So if you if you're familiar with and by the way, 98 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: this may not exist everywhere for everybody. Florida a long 99 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: time ago used to have one one board that governed 100 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: all of our state universities. Jeff Bush, when he came in, 101 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: got rid of that one board who acted in the 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: interests per se of all of the state's higher education 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: institutions public institutions, and he replaced them with individual boards 104 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: of trustees at each college campus. So privates have always 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: largely existed this way. Each private school has a board 106 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: of trustees or of governance, but some one who sits 107 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: above the president to the so that the president would 108 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: be accountable to them. That politicization with these appointments coming 109 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: largely from political individuals, have created the circumstance where in 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: many instances the boards are not acting in the interest 111 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: of that campus, but are doing the bidding of their appointers. 112 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: So if their appointer is Ron de Santis and Rondo 113 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: Santis has decided that DEI is to be dead in 114 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: the state of Florida, and that any institution who continues 115 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: a policy where they value diversity, equity and inclusion they 116 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: can be if he has the power to remove them 117 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: or not appoint them, reappoint them again. It becomes a 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: cudgel over their heads where you either do my bidding 119 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: or you don't do bidding at all. You come off 120 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: the board. You understand what I mean by But how 121 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: would you. 122 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: Even kill DEI. 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: At an HBCUs just say again Project twenty twenty five, 124 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: they actually are like that is not one of their targets. 125 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: They actually are okay with hbcs because they're like, yes, 126 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: send black people there. But the funding part, that part 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 3: is something that we have to question. The executive order 128 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump, which we have to remind people, is 129 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 3: not a law. Executive orders are not laws, and so 130 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 3: I'm still confused on how you actually execute that, but 131 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: it didn't say any It was a bunch of nothing 132 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 3: to me in that, you know, I didn't really understand it. 133 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 3: So I'm curious because I think FAM you can be 134 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: the poster child on how worried and concerned we should be. 135 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: For HBC's I'm curious how this might go, like who 136 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: are the Is he looking to put a Republican as president? 137 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: Is he influencing the board of trustees? 138 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: So again, all of these this is the stuff that 139 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: is happening behind the scenes. So I'm hesitant to say 140 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: who is doing what, and more interested in the fact 141 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: that the process is being disrupted that we can no 142 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: longer trust that the people who become finalists for these 143 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: jobs uh to lead these institutions are finalists because there's 144 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: a ringer in there. There were their finalists, because there's 145 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: somebody who is percolating to the top. In fam use case, 146 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: the candidate who is seen to be the one to 147 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: be the one who has come out appearing to have 148 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the support of at least all the known Republicans that 149 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: I know who are on the board and who are 150 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: doing their level best to cozy up to the administration. 151 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: Are supporting this one candidate. This one candidate happens to 152 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: have never ever worked in higher education as an employee, 153 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: never been an administrator of a college, never been a president, 154 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: and is against being has been set up against candidates 155 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: who actually do have higher education experience. Provosts don't. 156 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: I don't want to do it. 157 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: No, I'll say I'll say her name or name. Actually, 158 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: you know what. The reason why I'm not naming the 159 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: person is because I actually think the issue is bigger 160 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: than the individual. The issue that I really have with 161 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: it is politics being used to maneuver a process which 162 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: is supposed to be about fam you and famuse, famuse 163 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: future and what is in the best interest of the 164 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: institution that is being hijacked by not? 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 4: Is it Marv Marva Johnson. 166 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: Marva Johnson is the candidate that is being championed. Yes, 167 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: and we again, I'm not afraid. 168 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: Vice President for State Government Affairs at Charter Communications. 169 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 170 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, the other people come from. Yes. 171 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: Ronde Allen, Provosts and Vice President for af Academic Affairs 172 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 5: at University of Maryland Eastern Shore, Gerald Hector. 173 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: Somebody's doorbells ring and it's not my this time. 174 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: Gerald Heger definitely, it's definitely somebody else. 175 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 5: And your vice president for Administration and Finance and University 176 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 5: of Central Florida and Donald Palm who's the executive vice 177 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 5: president and COO at FAMU. Marva Johnson is a group 178 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 5: vice president for State Government Affairs at Charter Communications, correct. 179 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 4: The state Charter. 180 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: So to the point, we would expect that in evaluating 181 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: the candidate for president of the largest single campus HBCU 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: in the country, the largest producer of black bacalaureate, masterial, 183 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: and doctoral degree holders amongst black folk in the state 184 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: of Florida and leading in the country, would have a 185 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: president who has some experience at running in institution of 186 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: higher education. 187 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: Are all these folks black? 188 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: Uh? Those to my knowledge? Yes? 189 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: Okay Marvel Marvel went to Georgetown. 190 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean she has to college and she has degrees. 191 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: And is she a Republican? She's a mega supporter. What's 192 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: her Yes? 193 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: In fact, some of the look I don't know her 194 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: personal party affiliation. I do know in the spaces in 195 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: which she works where a lot of their political money goes. 196 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that she is a support of Rohnda 197 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: Scantist and there is a campaign that refers to her 198 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: as Maga Marva. 199 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 5: Well Maga Marva is or was a commissioner appointed of 200 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 5: the state Board. The appointed a constitution revision commission. She 201 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 5: was a commissioner on that appointed by the governor. Looks 202 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 5: like in twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, I'm just trying to 203 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 5: figure out what prepares Marva to be the president of 204 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 5: the college. It says that she's loyalty served as chair. 205 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 5: So she served as chair of the Florida State Board 206 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 5: of Education. It says that she said, I'm not I'm 207 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 5: not saying this is run. I'm just trying to figure 208 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: out what they would argue grounds her. 209 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: What they're arguing, I don't mind sharing that she can 210 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: she because of her corporate contacts, that she can raise 211 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: money for Florida A and M University. And by the way, 212 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: anybody who's ever applied to lead an organization or job 213 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: commits to being able to raise godly on some you know, 214 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: godly amounts of money. Uh. And guess what after they 215 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: get the job, giving stays about where it is and 216 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: and problem, you know, life goes on and nobody removes 217 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: that person because they failed to bring on godly amounts 218 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: of money to the institution. 219 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: What's needed, Andrew, because to me, this is a big deal, 220 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: pretty serious, and I didn't quite understand it when you 221 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 3: were saying it before, but now that I'm hearing you, 222 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: this is actually a very serious issue that needs urgent attention. 223 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 3: I'm thinking about all the family alumni who we know, 224 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: you included. We cannot put the hand like our precious HBCUs. 225 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 2: In the hands of MAGA. 226 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 5: People give them we see any higher education exp like 227 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 5: I'm going through an. 228 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: Outside of that. Like, to me, that's not the biggest flag. 229 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: The biggest flags of me is that she's MAGA and 230 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: b flag for me is that she has no I don't. 231 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 5: Think the higher education administrator. And in order to be 232 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 5: considered for a vice president role, let alone of president, 233 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 5: you have to have had some years of experience in 234 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 5: higher education. 235 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: She doesn't have ANGELA, it doesn't her qualifications do not 236 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: even meet with FAM. You advertise this as needing for 237 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: the position. 238 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 5: And then here's the thing that makes it even worse. 239 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 5: And I'm just gonna call a thing a thing. You're 240 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 5: you want to constantly come at us about black folks 241 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 5: who don't meet qualifications, and that's d I and then 242 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: they go and get somebody who was remarkably unqualified to 243 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 5: drill home their point that we're not quality. 244 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 4: That is not our choosing, that's y'all's choosing. We ain't choosing. 245 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: When we talked about HEXF and we talked about the 246 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Joint chiefs of Staffs person where the President had to 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: waive the qualifications for the position in order to get 248 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: the black man out and put his person in. My concern, y'all, 249 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: is for fam you most immediately, but it is for 250 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: our institutions, our institutions that are being politicized and overly politicized, 251 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: where you can't no longer trust these processes to deliver 252 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: a candidate who's most qualified and best for the institution, 253 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: but rather one who is most reliable to ensuring the 254 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: agenda of said politician. 255 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 3: I think one of the biggest concerns I have to 256 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: andrew in terms of putting our HBCUs in these hands, 257 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 3: like we've seen what happened at other institutions of higher education, 258 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: starting Columbia, like they are turning over universities are capitulating 259 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: to this administration, turning over sensitive data, private information about 260 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: the student body there and so often, but even before 261 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 3: we get to curriculum. The very specific thing that concerns me. 262 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 3: When we talk about immigration, we rarely think about black immigrants. 263 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: But there are a huge number of black people who 264 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: attend HBCUs who. 265 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: Were not born in America. 266 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: And so if you put a MAGA person over fam you, 267 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: that means people who may have been born in Jamaica 268 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: who are attending school, people who've been born on the 269 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: continent in Nigeria, like I know at c AU and 270 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 3: AUC there were all types of foreign born students attending school, 271 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 3: and so you could you could be doing things like 272 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: inviting ice on campus to now deport to the government's 273 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: disappearing people and are just even our personal like our 274 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 3: social security number everything, you're turning that over And to 275 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: your point andree the protest laws in in Florida, that's 276 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: really serious. 277 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: And in the country. I think, if I know, we've 278 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: got to rap on this, and I regret that I 279 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: didn't do that as complete a job at highlighting I 280 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: think the real concerns here of me as an alumnus 281 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: of an HBCU very specifically fam you. But to give 282 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: you one example, we have student leaders who are not 283 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: prepared to weigh into this fight because they're in fear 284 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: of what would happen to them if they opposed a 285 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: candidate of choice. Would they would they somehow figure out 286 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: a way to keep their degrees from them? Would they 287 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: somehow figure out a way that the letters of recommendation 288 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: for graduate school or to law school or medical school 289 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: could be withheld by administrators because they opposed a candidate 290 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: for president. This is terrifying because the university environment is 291 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: exactly where you would expect to see protests where you 292 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: exactly expect to see young people who are enlightened standing 293 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: up and saying not here, not today, not now, not ever. 294 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: And now our folks, who generally, at this stage in 295 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: their lives are free to express their free opinions, are 296 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: no longer free because they've got to be concerned at 297 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: what they see happening at the federal level, where folks 298 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: are being disappeared on the street because of political disagreement. 299 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: So what all I'm saying is that the efforts that 300 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: we are seeing happen nationally are trickling down such to 301 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: the point that even at a state institution HBCU, folks 302 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: are in fear of retribution for saying I just want 303 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: to qualify candidate to be my president. I just saying, 304 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: I just want someone who is going to look out 305 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: for our best interests first and foremost. 306 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: I just say, because we only have three minutes left, 307 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: what is the most urgent ass like, what can we 308 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:53,959 Speaker 3: need right now? 309 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: There is a letter circulating for rattlers, students, fans of FAM, 310 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: youse support orders of the Institution. You all could sign, 311 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: myself included to say one, we want somebody with experience 312 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: who meets the minimum qualifications to be considered for the presidency. 313 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: So eliminate those who don't meet that criteria. They may not, 314 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: but we then secondly, we'll call that person out for you. 315 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: If you can't tell from their resume in your interview 316 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: that they're not qualified, let us just simply go to 317 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: the record. Let's look at the facts. Tell me where 318 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: this person meets the qualifications for higher education governance. You see, you, 319 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: we can't just have a president who fundraises. We can't 320 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: just have a president who is an administrator. We can't 321 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: just have a president who understands the goals and the 322 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: missions of historically black universities and understands the special character 323 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: of FAM. You as a state institution who doesn't believe 324 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: and the legacy of HBCUs and the fact that we 325 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: were shut out of every other state school until fam 326 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: You got created eighteen eighty seven, and at that point 327 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: we have produced exactly the kind of outcomes you would 328 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: want to see in exemplary fashion. But if we have 329 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: a president who doesn't believe in HBCUs, who is willing 330 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: to capitulate to what the governor says we ought to 331 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: be and what we ought to do, and who's doing 332 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: the bidding of a maga, then we begin the destruction 333 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: of ourselves. And we cannot be sleep walking during this time. 334 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: So my call is one wake up to get that letter, 335 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: Sign that letter, and we could make it available on 336 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: the post notes. You know how to access it. But 337 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: it is moving around rather organically now to folks to 338 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: raise the specter that y'all can't come here and do 339 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: anything and treat us any kind of way just because 340 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: we the Black school, and that if you come for us, 341 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: we're coming back for you. So my hope is that 342 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: we could get some real justice out of this process, 343 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: and justice to me would be the appointment of a qualified, 344 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: fully qualified individual to the position and quite Frankly, the 345 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: other candidates meet the minimum requirements, So why are we 346 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: being played? Why the politics on us? 347 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 4: I just went through this lady's whole resume, like the 348 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 4: one that she submitted. 349 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: To FAM you, and it's still no. 350 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 4: I'm literally the. 351 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: Only education experience she has is being appointed by Rick 352 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 5: Scott and then being appointed to a different board by 353 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 5: Ron de Santis. It doesn't make any sense. She has 354 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 5: no experience at the Florida College Foundation board. She's on 355 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 5: the Pace Academy for Girls. She's on the Florida Scholars 356 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 5: Academy board appointed by DeSantis and the Florida State Board 357 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 5: of Education for eight years. There is no other higher 358 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 5: education k through tale of education pre early child, no 359 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 5: other experience in education, at least not listed on her 360 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: resume that she submitted for the presidential search, without which 361 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: I would find interesting. 362 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. It's just it's sickening for them to 363 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: think that they can just throw anything at us and 364 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: that we're going to be okay. And that to me 365 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: is a reflection of their vowe where they value us 366 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: and you can't value me and send me somebody who 367 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: ain't never run no institution, FAM you when it advertises 368 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: for its president. We ought to be getting the krem 369 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: de la creme of candidates and higher education coming to 370 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: apply for these positions. The reason we are not is 371 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: because real academics aren't interested in the politics. They're not 372 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: interested in being a do boy or a do girl 373 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: for Governor X or y or Z. They're there in 374 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: service to the institution. And Marvin may be a very 375 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: good person as an individual. I'm not assaulting that. What 376 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm assaulting is the very clear absence of qualifications for 377 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: the position that she seeks. And because I love FAM you, 378 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: and because I love our HBCUs, we can't let our 379 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: banner institutions fall at this level. 380 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: Of an. 381 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 5: She got a her resume that's quoted named Roscoe Young. 382 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 5: He runs something called the Young Kinsley Technology Group, and 383 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 5: that ain't even based in Florida. 384 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 4: Did he go to FAM? You do you know Roscoe? 385 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 4: See Young? Andrew. 386 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know Roscoe. I know some Roscoe's all right. 387 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: Well on that note, welcome home, y'all anyway, Yeah, welcome 388 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: FAM you alumni step up though, this. 389 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: Is this is just staying with you, HBCUs. Period. Yeah. 390 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 5: If Roscoe Young didn't go to FAM, and she didn't 391 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 5: quote him. I don't know why y'all got me down 392 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 5: this rabbit hole, but I'm down it. 393 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: Well it's a rabbit hole because it's it's a it's 394 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: a mess. 395 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 3: Well, hopefully you keep us posted, Andrew. Maybe on the 396 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: next episode we'll talk. 397 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: More about what it's all being decided, y'all in the 398 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: next twelve to eighteen days. Just no things are moving. 399 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in to the mini pod, you guys. 400 00:22:53,760 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for Native lampard is the production of iHeartRadio in 401 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: partnership with Recent Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, 402 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: visit iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 403 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.