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Speaker 3: This is now the Emmy Award winning Talking Cowboys crew.
Speaker 4: Isaiah took home another Emmy last night.
Speaker 3: We've got a new you Emmy winner and Patrick no
Speaker 3: c Walker, congratulations.
Speaker 1: Sir, appreciate that. Man.
Speaker 5: It's uh still hasn't sunk in yet, but you know,
Speaker 5: quite surreal to experience that. You know, a lot of blood,
Speaker 5: sweat and tears, but at the same time, it also
Speaker 5: goes to the greatness of those around you. So surround
Speaker 5: yourself with greatness that will help you, you know better,
Speaker 5: tap into the greatness that is within you, and then
Speaker 5: you can you can make some big things happen in
Speaker 5: this life. So I'm blessed blessed to be around you, guys,
Speaker 5: blessed to be a part of this, this organization. And
Speaker 5: guys like one sitting at this table, Derek Nick Eatman.
Speaker 5: Just you know, the list goes on and on, Ambar Garcia,
Speaker 5: guys behind the scenes, Alex Lily, Chris Bean Jazz. I mean,
Speaker 5: we got so many elite folks here that you know,
Speaker 5: without them, none of this, none of this happened.
Speaker 1: So go team, no way squad. It really is.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a team effort.
Speaker 3: Do you know what the total number ended up being
Speaker 3: last night?
Speaker 1: Not at all? Did you?
Speaker 6: Did you bring them all home? Because you made all
Speaker 6: the speeches. Derek came and loaded them up in his vehicle.
Speaker 7: Okay, so Derek came and got he had them all.
Speaker 1: There's a lot backed up the U. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. It was a lot.
Speaker 8: Cod truck, if you will. He backed it up and
Speaker 8: loaded them up.
Speaker 6: At least there was at least forty of them things,
Speaker 6: you think, so, Lord, yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Well, congratulations to everybody in the department that ended up winning.
Speaker 1: Uh for those that knows how to stick some talent.
Speaker 7: I was just about to say, for those that don't know.
Speaker 3: This department is uber talented in terms of what they
Speaker 3: do on a day to day basis, and we are
Speaker 3: we are just blessed to be a part of it
Speaker 3: along the way, but super happy. And we've we're the uh,
Speaker 3: we're the only show, the only podcast that has three
Speaker 3: Emmy winners as.
Speaker 1: A part more than two.
Speaker 3: We so just wow, I just thought I.
Speaker 1: Thought it sprinkled. I mean, there's JV and then there's Varce.
Speaker 7: Shot shots fire.
Speaker 3: All Right, We've got lots to catch up on because
Speaker 3: since we were on the air Monday, things have happened
Speaker 3: around the build thing, just a.
Speaker 4: Couple things along the way making moves.
Speaker 3: Moves have been made, papers have been signed, and it
Speaker 3: looks like there may be some more to come. But
Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about ceed Lamb. He's back in the building.
Speaker 3: He was back in practice yesterday. Four years, one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty six million dollars, one hundred of that guaranteed.
Speaker 1: Really the deal.
Speaker 7: That I think a lot of us anticipated.
Speaker 3: Where it's just underneath the Justin Jefferson highest non paid
Speaker 3: or non quarterback to ever get paid in the NFL.
Speaker 3: But it is a significant contract and now the first
Speaker 3: Domino has fallen and you're starting to see that pack.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, and to say that Ceedee Lamb has earned his
Speaker 5: contract is a gross understatement. And also when you're talking
Speaker 5: about it financially, you have to look at the fact that,
Speaker 5: unlike Minnesota, Texas does not have any state Texas. So
Speaker 5: mathematically speaking, as far as take home greatest concerned, Ceede
Speaker 5: Lamb is actually the highest earning wide receiver in the
Speaker 5: NFL over Justin Jeffer So I'm sure that came into
Speaker 5: the conversation as well. But yeah, now that Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 5: is on the books, and we spoke with him yesterday
Speaker 5: and he talked about how ready he is, quote unquote,
Speaker 5: I'm ready for battle. He added fifteen pounds of lean
Speaker 5: muscle in his workouts between Texas and South Florida. He's
Speaker 5: been working with Dak Prescott in the dakyard. I mean,
Speaker 5: he's been doing everything he can to be ready for
Speaker 5: this moment. So he says he's a full go for Cleveland,
Speaker 5: and it looks like that's going to be the case
Speaker 5: up next Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: When does this happen?
Speaker 5: Ceedee Lamb had a fantastic quote when it comes to
Speaker 5: that he was basically saying that he wants Everybody knows
Speaker 5: that Ceedee Lamb wants Dak Prescott here in the building
Speaker 5: for the foreseeable future. Also said everybody knows Jerry Jones
Speaker 5: wants it to happen, and we all know Dak Prescott
Speaker 5: wants it to happen. So Ceedee Lamb said, let's get
Speaker 5: it done. Let's kill the speculation. End quote. So to
Speaker 5: hear wide Receiver one completely on board as we knew
Speaker 5: that he was. And I think we've talked about this
Speaker 5: on off the cuff on several occasions.
Speaker 1: It's a package deal for me.
Speaker 5: Right, if you're talking about extend Dak Prescott, you should
Speaker 5: be talking about getting the deal done for CD Lamb.
Speaker 5: Now that you have the deal done for Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 5: you need to get the deal done for Dak Prescott
Speaker 5: because of what they are for each other production wise
Speaker 5: and in the locker room.
Speaker 1: So package deal.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So now the question is when does the Dak Prescott
Speaker 5: deal land. I'm not saying if I said when when
Speaker 5: it came to Ceedee Lamb and here we are, I'm
Speaker 5: sticking with when when it comes to Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: When would you get it done? Isaiah by Friday.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that quick, I like that.
Speaker 1: Knock it out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I foresee Friday at the earliest, That's my expectation.
Speaker 6: And at the latest, I would say Wednesday next week.
Speaker 7: Wow, So not a long window.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's get Isaiah upstairs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, an elevator. Elevator for a number of reasons. For
Speaker 6: a number of reasons. I mean from the standpoint of
Speaker 6: you do not want to have these conversations, nor do
Speaker 6: you want to take attention away from the team leading
Speaker 6: into your first game of the season.
Speaker 1: Also, it has to.
Speaker 6: Get done by next week, by next Sunny Day, by
Speaker 6: the first game. Because I think it's known that if
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott touches the field in Cleveland without a contract,
Speaker 6: he the probability of him coming back is slim to
Speaker 6: none because there's a due down in Las Vegas. I
Speaker 6: would pay whatever is in his back pocket to ensure
Speaker 6: that he got down there, along with other teams.
Speaker 1: But we know that that guy would pay a ton.
Speaker 8: Would he be the most highly yes, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: It would just be the biggest free agent of all
Speaker 8: time if he hit the free agency at least this year.
Speaker 3: I mean, when Tom's deal was up there and there
Speaker 3: is a couple, there's a couple of guys that have
Speaker 3: been out there like yeah.
Speaker 8: But a bigger name since since since Tom Bradley.
Speaker 3: I mean, he would be the biggest name this offseason,
Speaker 3: no doubt, not even close, especially if he has a
Speaker 3: year even comparable to what he did last year, if
Speaker 3: he's even in in the MVP conversation whatsoever, that number
Speaker 3: is going to be astronomical, which is part of why
Speaker 3: they should get it.
Speaker 4: Done Friday to Wednesday of this one.
Speaker 6: You can't run the risk of having a competition in
Speaker 6: terms of bidding on Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not even in the cards.
Speaker 6: You can't allow that because, yeah, everybody has deep pockets
Speaker 6: when it comes to these thirty two individuals who run
Speaker 6: these organizations.
Speaker 1: So that's the last thing you want. And you also
Speaker 1: don't want the distractions.
Speaker 6: And we also know that Dak from and Dak and
Speaker 6: any other quarterback when it comes to the regular season,
Speaker 6: I'm focused on winning games now.
Speaker 8: And his cap hit this year would be fifty five
Speaker 8: if the if a new deal isn't done.
Speaker 6: Correct, yeah, I mean, I mean I have no Jedi,
Speaker 6: but so I think the deal is probably fifty eighty runner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think it'll all hit this year,
Speaker 3: No one, no, no, I'm saying I think I think his annual.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And to add to Isaiah's point, one of the reasons
Speaker 5: that you should and another reason you should have urgency
Speaker 5: to get this deal done is salary cap management purposes.
Speaker 5: So I put this out there on Twitter yesterday, Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 5: He was sitting to hit the Cowboys for a little
Speaker 5: bit under eighteen million dollars fully guaranteed on that fifth
Speaker 5: year option. By extending him, which in essence makes it
Speaker 5: a five year deal because he's under contract for twenty four. Anyway,
Speaker 5: they turn that into only a eight point seventy five
Speaker 5: million dollar hit, So you get over nine million dollars
Speaker 5: in savings right there. But wait, there is more. Dak
Speaker 5: Prescott currently set to hit the Cowboys cap in twenty
Speaker 5: four for sixty six point two seven million dollars. If
Speaker 5: you can get an extension done before this season starts,
Speaker 5: that turns into twenty two million dollars in savings. That
Speaker 5: is a massive financial swing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: That's like another Pro Bowl caliber player at a different position.
Speaker 3: Quite percent, that's exactly, quite literally what it is.
Speaker 8: And when you still need to pay Mica down the
Speaker 8: road as well.
Speaker 5: And the caveat is is that NFL teams are required
Speaker 5: to use roughly ninety percent of the total salary cap
Speaker 5: over a four year period. There's not a hard annual floor,
Speaker 5: but that's the general rule, right. But once they hit
Speaker 5: that floor, they can roll over one hundred percent of
Speaker 5: the cap that's up unused to the next year. So
Speaker 5: when you're talking about what does free agency look like,
Speaker 5: we know the Cowboys don't play in the first wave
Speaker 5: of free agency, but they have a whale in Michael
Speaker 5: that they need to resign, and maybe they do want
Speaker 5: to get one or two guys. Nonetheless, these are huge
Speaker 5: salary cap numbers that we're talking about, in addition to
Speaker 5: the fact that the cap is going to go up
Speaker 5: in and of itself, right.
Speaker 7: So not expecting to go up as much as it happens.
Speaker 5: It's not going to jump another thirty million dollars, right,
Speaker 5: but it could. I think the projection right now is
Speaker 5: over to sixty. So because right now it's like two
Speaker 5: fifty five.
Speaker 7: I think it was like ten million.
Speaker 3: Over the next five years, it's not going to be
Speaker 3: It could be a little bit in there.
Speaker 5: Just it's not going to be exponentially explosive like it
Speaker 5: was from twenty three to twenty four, but you're still
Speaker 5: going to see that growth. So all things considered, you
Speaker 5: you're talking about pouring Scrooge McDuck money, bend money onto
Speaker 5: your salary cap.
Speaker 1: And so it's Isaiah's point.
Speaker 5: You want to get it done for all the reasons
Speaker 5: I said, Isaiah said, and in addition to a wide
Speaker 5: receiver one saying get it, get her done, and the
Speaker 5: salary cap says get or done, there's no reason not to.
Speaker 7: So Dak is the next one up. I think we
Speaker 7: all kind of agree with that.
Speaker 3: Of course MICA's after that, and then of course some
Speaker 3: sprinkled contracts in between there and now, and then back
Speaker 3: to ceed Lamb real quick. Yesterday was our first look
Speaker 3: at him. It wasn't a full practice, wasn't a full
Speaker 3: I mean, they weren't even in pads. They were just
Speaker 3: in helmets and in the jackets. But there were times
Speaker 3: where Cedde Lamb was on a knee and there were
Speaker 3: times where he was off to the side.
Speaker 4: And there's I mean.
Speaker 3: There's a difference between conditioning and working out by yourself.
Speaker 3: And then team, conditioning and running a full practice. Is
Speaker 3: there enough ramp up time that we're now eleven days
Speaker 3: away from the opener? And Isaiah, I'll turn to you
Speaker 3: on this. Is there enough ramp up time for CD
Speaker 3: to be in game shape and be in CD LAMB
Speaker 3: form come September eighth against the Browns.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I just mean give me a ballpark number.
Speaker 6: I mean working out on your own, then getting with
Speaker 6: the team, you know, resistance, fighting up against guys with pads, hitting,
Speaker 6: all that jazz that goes along with playing ball.
Speaker 1: You probably have an eighty five percent. You know, CD.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 6: I mean that's just the reality of it. That's not
Speaker 6: to say that he's not willing or any of that jazz.
Speaker 6: It's just that's just the reality of getting your body prepared.
Speaker 6: And I think the biggest threat is not as cardiovascular system.
Speaker 6: I think his biggest threat is making sure that he
Speaker 6: doesn't have any soft tissue ish in injuries.
Speaker 8: Well, on top of what you said, he gained fifteen
Speaker 8: pounds of lean muscle. On top of that, like carrying
Speaker 8: that around while doing drills while conditioning. Now that's going
Speaker 8: to be tougher too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, and the game of football when you're
Speaker 6: playing seven on seven or you're playing routes on the air,
Speaker 6: like that's cool.
Speaker 1: Even if you're wearing the whole pad, all the pads.
Speaker 6: At dark spot, I was what's the name of his field, dad,
Speaker 6: the backyard, even if you're wearing all your pads at
Speaker 6: the dockyard and getting your work, and it's still not
Speaker 6: the same. Right when you get up there and start
Speaker 6: pushing up against people and people are able to actually
Speaker 6: get real physical with you, it takes a lot more
Speaker 6: out of you. Also, it puts a lot more stress
Speaker 6: on your body. Right, you started talking about stress.
Speaker 1: On your achilles, stress on your calves.
Speaker 6: All your all your you know your your your aductors,
Speaker 6: your hip flexers, you know your growings. We hear a
Speaker 6: lot of growing injuries come when when guys haven't been
Speaker 6: around playing the actual ball for a while.
Speaker 1: This is just the reality.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely knocking on all the wood you can find,
Speaker 6: but that's that is the risk.
Speaker 1: You run when you give somebody.
Speaker 6: But six days of practice possibly about about that, It
Speaker 6: seems about six days of real practice before going out
Speaker 6: and playing a game at that at one hundred percent,
Speaker 6: So I don't expect him to be in mid season
Speaker 6: form by that time. He is behind, That's true. He
Speaker 6: is behind everybody else when it comes to physical conditioning.
Speaker 6: That's not that, that's no knock on his off season training.
Speaker 6: It's just the facts that he has not been playing
Speaker 6: football against other grown men for the last six weeks,
Speaker 6: and everybody else has what would be a realistic to
Speaker 6: expectation week one, because I can already see it, and
Speaker 6: I know Patrick, I know you, you probably know where
Speaker 6: I'm going with this Week one games will for everybody's
Speaker 6: looking up the box score and there's four targets, three
Speaker 6: receptions for twenty one yards, no touchdowns, ceedee lamb.
Speaker 4: On Week one, everybody's saying, we paid this.
Speaker 3: Guy what there's a probably there's a chance that that happens,
Speaker 3: but that's you shouldn't freak out in him.
Speaker 1: No, you don't forge out. There was no freaking out.
Speaker 1: Good luck with that.
Speaker 6: And people don't want to hear ramp by contract, especially
Speaker 6: with the you have one hundred million dollars, you got
Speaker 6: thirty six million dollars. I just got direct deposits to
Speaker 6: you account. The last thing you want to hear is
Speaker 6: ramping ramping him up. Yeah, and people don't want to
Speaker 6: hear that, and we get it.
Speaker 8: But hit that go round, Yeah he's going to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not that good. He's not a transformer, he's
Speaker 1: a human.
Speaker 5: But that's the same man, right, exactly, these guys need
Speaker 5: to be working. And also keep in mind, this is
Speaker 5: a long season, right, Football is a long season, even
Speaker 5: longer now even now. You need him for the long haul.
Speaker 5: So while he's he being ceedee lamb, while he said
Speaker 5: he's going to be ready for a full slate, we'll
Speaker 5: see if the Cowboys give him a full slate of targets,
Speaker 5: because there's a difference between targets and reps. I mean,
Speaker 5: he could be easily be a decoy on plenty of
Speaker 5: those and still be impactful because he's on the field.
Speaker 5: But to Isaiah's point, I mean, and City said it himself,
Speaker 5: he just needs to get thumped. He needs to get thumped,
Speaker 5: and he needs to feel that contact violence, which is
Speaker 5: what he termed it, which is accurate. He needs to
Speaker 5: feel the contact violence. They're not going to be able
Speaker 5: to thump him up over these next several practices like
Speaker 5: they would have in training camp, right, so his first
Speaker 5: actual you know, wreckage when is a slant round over
Speaker 5: the middle of Cleveland and they're like, welcome.
Speaker 1: Back, Ceedee Lamb.
Speaker 5: So I will say, you know, I hope that he
Speaker 5: has a phenomenal first week. My expectation though, is that
Speaker 5: it needs to be that everyone's expectations needs to be
Speaker 5: tempered as.
Speaker 1: Far as what he might do or might not do
Speaker 1: in week one.
Speaker 5: If he goes out and he has, you know, ten
Speaker 5: catches for two hundred yards and three touchdowns, fantastic, sensational.
Speaker 5: If it's only four targets for twenty one and no touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Well that means Cooks eight.
Speaker 5: That does mean hopefully, it means it means Jake Ferguson, Tober,
Speaker 5: I mean Tobert, a other Duke, duce Vaughn, Jalen Brooks.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have other guys, don't you do it?
Speaker 1: And that was the benefit, that was the benefit.
Speaker 6: Oh you mean, jeez, but no, that's the benefit of
Speaker 6: when you look at the opposing side of it, right,
Speaker 6: But Ceedee Lamb not being in camp Brandon Cooks, yes,
Speaker 6: and Dak Prescott looked like Siamese twins out there right,
Speaker 6: like they.
Speaker 1: Were just joint at the hip these guys were.
Speaker 6: These guys were in unisons, right, So that's the benefit
Speaker 6: because now as you're ramping up, Ceedee Lamb, he's still
Speaker 6: a threat, regardless if he's if he's if he's a MIDS,
Speaker 6: he's in former, or no, he's you still better respect him.
Speaker 6: With him saying he's gonna Tostito, Yeah, Tostito's plaza, it
Speaker 6: doesn't matter, right, so you better respect.
Speaker 1: Him the same way.
Speaker 6: And now you have the chemistry of a Dak Prescott
Speaker 6: and Brandon Cooks that might not have been at that level.
Speaker 6: Has CD been there, So there's benefit to that. You
Speaker 6: still have CD and what he's capebook doing. But until
Speaker 6: you until we get on that one, accurt I got
Speaker 6: you be Cooks.
Speaker 5: And don't forget don't forget about the rookie Ryan Flinoy.
Speaker 5: I mean he's he's making some ways. We saw him
Speaker 5: make another sensational catch yesterday in practice. So that all
Speaker 5: building all to say that you know, as CD Lamb
Speaker 5: is ramped up, fact is he's going to be on
Speaker 5: the field, which makes him, if nothing else, one of
Speaker 5: the best decoys in the NFL in Week one, and
Speaker 5: then these other guys who were able to take, you know,
Speaker 5: opportunities and turn them into production for the Cowboys in
Speaker 5: the preseason.
Speaker 1: That gets to lean on those guys as well. Two
Speaker 1: million dollar Gay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and and Brandon Brandon Cooks by the way, Sid No,
Speaker 5: he returned to practice yesterday. He missed the final week
Speaker 5: in practice in Oxnar did the personal reasons. He missed
Speaker 5: a couple of practices prior to that with some knee
Speaker 5: soor iness, but he was back in full pass yesterday.
Speaker 3: So great, great news, great news. Over under seventy five
Speaker 3: yards for CD in week one.
Speaker 1: Over over, over over over, I'm gonna go under.
Speaker 4: I think I would go barely under that.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like seventy seven.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm not very good at making CD
Speaker 3: lamb Betts. The last time I did that, I ran
Speaker 3: a half marathon.
Speaker 6: So nothing wrong with we can make a Brandon Cooks Betoks.
Speaker 4: You don't want to make a brand.
Speaker 3: You don't want to make a bread gets spicy in here. Listen, listen,
Speaker 3: we don't have enough hot sauce. I had somebody bring
Speaker 3: that up to me the other day. I was doing
Speaker 3: an event with the Cowboys Club and one of the
Speaker 3: great members there was like I just all the time.
Speaker 3: I laugh at the hot sauce. I wanna wear that
Speaker 3: shirt Tuesday. I don't know where I made a shirt
Speaker 3: with nick on on the front of it, with the
Speaker 3: hot sauce. Yeh, just dying spices that guy, poor guy.
Speaker 5: Do you remember the mudding shirt catfishing that had your
Speaker 5: face on? We were talking about muddy, Yes, you know,
Speaker 5: like getting in the yeah.
Speaker 1: The newly yeah shirt. But would you ever do that?
Speaker 8: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about it all right when we come back.
Speaker 3: Old stuff here on Talking Cowboys. Ceedee Lamb may not
Speaker 3: be the only move the Cowboys are making this week,
Speaker 3: as they what do you mean co They're looking at
Speaker 3: another former pro bowler, and we may have some news
Speaker 3: here on Talking Cowboys. We'll talk about what the Cowboys
Speaker 3: are doing with their roster building when we come back.
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Speaker 1: Who's that? Who might that be? Dalvin Cook?
Speaker 3: Running back formerly of the Yeah sounds familiar, Formerly of
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Speaker 4: Three, and then ended with the New York Jets.
Speaker 3: Well, he was released earlier this week and reports are
Speaker 3: right now Patrick Online. The NFL posted it this morning
Speaker 3: that yeah, the Cowboys are expected to sign Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 4: Nothing official, Yeah, no official.
Speaker 3: But what do you think about that move and really
Speaker 3: the possibility it brings for this running back?
Speaker 1: Well, first, let's frame it the right way.
Speaker 5: The expectation is that the Cowboys will sign Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 5: but to the practice squad, okay, not to the fifty
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Speaker 5: it mean for maybe Rico Daldo Ezekiel Elliott As it stands, nothing.
Speaker 5: The goal is to bring Dalvin Cook in on the
Speaker 5: practice squad, ramp him up, get him ready for whenever.
Speaker 1: They might need him. He'll serve as insurance.
Speaker 5: Not different from what we were talking about on Monday
Speaker 5: when I was speaking Royce Freeman to the practice squad
Speaker 5: for insurance purposes and just just as a reminder, practice
Speaker 5: squad players can be elevated a maximum of three times,
Speaker 5: so they'll have three elevations for Dalvin Cook. On the
Speaker 5: third elevation, they have to decide to either keep him
Speaker 5: on the active roster or they have to release him.
Speaker 5: But he's vested, he's not subject to waivers, so they
Speaker 5: could play that game a couple of times before the
Speaker 5: trade deadline. Because after the trade deadline, even vested veterans
Speaker 5: or subject to waivers, So they could elevate him three
Speaker 5: times before the trade deadline at the end of October
Speaker 5: slash beginning of November, release him without making an active
Speaker 5: roster move corresponding, and then resign him like the next day.
Speaker 1: So you know, they could play that game if they want,
Speaker 1: so it gives them time to see lots lots.
Speaker 8: I think expectations need to be tempered a little bit.
Speaker 8: For Dalvin Cook, that his best year. Like you said
Speaker 8: that fifteen hundred yards, that was twenty twenty, a.
Speaker 4: Long time ago, A long time ago, at bit.
Speaker 8: A lot of it, a lot of bit. It's a
Speaker 8: big name, for sure, and that's always nice to see.
Speaker 8: But the last time he played seventeen games, he only
Speaker 8: had eleven hundred rushing yards and eight touchdowns. That was
Speaker 8: the last time he played seventeen games.
Speaker 3: Which was not I would take eleven hundred rushing yards
Speaker 3: in eight touchdowns right now, but I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 8: I think combined with with Zeke Rico, I think you're
Speaker 8: gonna get that.
Speaker 4: I mean, at least yeah, they're.
Speaker 6: Gonna get Wait, so we had we had this conversation, right,
Speaker 6: I think we talked about this on Monday. What does
Speaker 6: he provide that's different than what you currently have in
Speaker 6: the room?
Speaker 4: Completely agree?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, we had this conversation, and I
Speaker 3: haven't changed my thought process.
Speaker 5: It's increases with the redundancy, which is why you put
Speaker 5: Saying on the practice squad instead of the active roster,
Speaker 5: same reason I said you can Royce streaming around. It's
Speaker 5: for insurance if you were to suffer injury to Rico.
Speaker 6: Or do you have any concerns, okay about personality, fits, character,
Speaker 6: whatever it might be the fact that he's bounced around
Speaker 6: a little bit here in his last few years.
Speaker 5: I don't have any personality or character I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't have any personality or character character concerns. I've
Speaker 5: quite literally never heard of Dalvin Cook being any type
Speaker 5: of locking the issue with any organization. And then also
Speaker 5: keep in mind, albeit on the opposite side of the
Speaker 5: ball where Zimmer is now, there's that relationship as well.
Speaker 5: So this this is something that Zimmer gave a green
Speaker 5: light to. And I doubt that Zimmer would have given
Speaker 5: Mike McCarthy and wiltrom Clay and Stephen Jones Jerry Jones
Speaker 5: the green light if in their time together in Minnesota,
Speaker 5: Delvin was any kind of distraction. So no, I don't
Speaker 5: have any character issues at all. I think for me,
Speaker 5: it's much like what Josh is saying, you have to
Speaker 5: look at tempering your expectations production wise, because one of
Speaker 5: the numbers you want to keep an eye on is
Speaker 5: the fact that the last time he was touching the ball,
Speaker 5: he averaged only three point two yards per carry, So
Speaker 5: he most certainly at this point in his career, needs
Speaker 5: a dominant offensive line. Good news is that the Cowboys
Speaker 5: might actually field might be a dominant offensive line.
Speaker 8: There's still a lot of hope up front might And
Speaker 8: if you think about it, he went to the Ravens
Speaker 8: when they were in desperate need of a running game
Speaker 8: at the end of their season and did not I
Speaker 8: think he played in all, but I think he played
Speaker 8: two games for them after being on the practice squad
Speaker 8: and ultimately didn't. The yards per carry was pretty low
Speaker 8: there as well, and they decided not to bring him
Speaker 8: back either.
Speaker 6: What was ultimately the reason why he left the Jets
Speaker 6: because there was a lot of hype that off season
Speaker 6: in regards to the Jets, but it was a.
Speaker 1: Lot of hype that year. It was Aaron Rodgers coming
Speaker 1: in coming in the Jets mess.
Speaker 7: I don't know if they're that much of a mess.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I know they are as like a
Speaker 3: general historic franchise of everything, but their death chart is
Speaker 3: pretty damn and if we're talking about running.
Speaker 5: Backs, but it's also and this is what I mean,
Speaker 5: because he has signed with the Jets under the understanding
Speaker 5: and that he was the guy he was.
Speaker 1: But then he got there and they were like, h
Speaker 1: just kidding.
Speaker 5: Brescee Hall stepped up and and that immediately turned into
Speaker 5: a disgruntled version of why is that a problem? Why
Speaker 5: is it a problem? You'd have to ask him why.
Speaker 5: That's because the production because here predure even justified.
Speaker 6: I'm sure the expectation has been set substantially differently, and
Speaker 6: that might be.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. That might be.
Speaker 6: The thing is I'm that type of person as well, right,
Speaker 6: set my expectations properly same. So now you're walking into
Speaker 6: the situation where you understand correct that it's a shared
Speaker 6: If he shared back like he was lied to by
Speaker 6: the Jays, then you can see why the dominoes filled
Speaker 6: the way they did in this situation.
Speaker 5: They're looking at him saying, practice squad, ramp up and
Speaker 5: then we will see so he knows coming in that's
Speaker 5: what that's the lane he's in.
Speaker 10: I mean, he played fifteen games with the Jets, so
Speaker 10: it wasn't like I mean they held on to him
Speaker 10: all year.
Speaker 3: One start though, and he was banged up earlier in
Speaker 3: the year. He was banged up and then Breese Hall
Speaker 3: had the coming out party at Medlights against the Giants,
Speaker 3: and then that was the.
Speaker 4: End of the.
Speaker 11: Real role there.
Speaker 3: They've got Braylan Allen who's a rookie. They have Isaiah
Speaker 3: Davis who's a rookie.
Speaker 1: Both of those.
Speaker 11: Guys are really damn good.
Speaker 1: I know, I know.
Speaker 3: But they have these this young stable of running backs
Speaker 3: that they can find out of all these draft picks
Speaker 3: that were fifth round or above. And Dalvin Cook doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily fit the young running back mold that the Jets
Speaker 3: are looking for.
Speaker 4: I think that's ultimately why they moved on.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's because of anything Cook did or
Speaker 3: said or how he played specifically. I just don't think
Speaker 3: he is the youth that the Jets are looking for
Speaker 3: in the running back spot because they need to stay
Speaker 3: young outside of Aaron Rodgers in those other positions in
Speaker 3: order to have some success this year. On off, I agreed,
Speaker 3: but overall, it's I mean, is this just a low risk,
Speaker 3: high rewards sort of deal practice squad.
Speaker 4: It's a going on.
Speaker 6: It's a safe bet for the Cowboys. You get somebody
Speaker 6: who's a veteran, you get somebody who's who's tried and true.
Speaker 6: You get somebody who can run downhill, who can block,
Speaker 6: can catch out the backfield, who just a handful of
Speaker 6: years ago was considered to be one of the best
Speaker 6: in the league. And now you come in here and
Speaker 6: to your point, you know, low risk, you know, come
Speaker 6: on to the practice squad. Let's get you in shape.
Speaker 6: Let's see what you're capable of, and see where your
Speaker 6: mindset's at. Let's see what how you can possibly contribute
Speaker 6: to this room. And if we see that that's that
Speaker 6: that's going to be something that you could do, then
Speaker 6: we'll elevate you.
Speaker 1: And if you produce, then we'll sign you. And honestly
Speaker 1: and we'll get to this.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to spoil my picks for back into
Speaker 5: segment three, but let's let me just put it this way,
Speaker 5: Devin Cook is not the only running back that I
Speaker 5: would add to this practice.
Speaker 7: So actually, let's do it now, Let's do it.
Speaker 4: Let's do it now, Okay, anyone?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 3: My thought process was what were the cuts that were
Speaker 3: surprising across the league?
Speaker 1: Right? Yep?
Speaker 3: What were some of those guys the names that that
Speaker 3: popped up? I know, Cadarius Tony from Kansas City was one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: interesting is that one that you were looking at?
Speaker 8: Not for the Cowboy. I thought it was surprising. That's
Speaker 8: because it's a big name. Sure, granted you saw the
Speaker 8: season that he had last year in Knas City, which
Speaker 8: was pretty.
Speaker 5: He was refreshed though overall over what happened with the
Speaker 5: Giants though that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was better in Kansas City than he was
Speaker 3: in New York, no doubt that's fair.
Speaker 8: But he did have a really rough fair season last
Speaker 8: season and did not play in the oude of all
Speaker 8: unactive a lot of blue tints during the Super Bowl
Speaker 8: and that had to that had to affect his confidence
Speaker 8: level at some point. And obviously you know, being cut
Speaker 8: is is interesting as well. Another interesting one for me
Speaker 8: was Lee Collins, who we brought in at the end
Speaker 8: of last season due to injuries on offense lines.
Speaker 1: Wrong.
Speaker 8: Uh, it's interesting to see another Cowboy draft pick or
Speaker 8: well not necessarily draft pick, but Siginny. Yeah, on on
Speaker 8: the way for wire after roster cuts.
Speaker 1: That just no, no, not I was wepping something.
Speaker 5: I just I just imagine, just me touching on on
Speaker 5: the names that you put out there, Lyle Collins really
Speaker 5: stands out for me in the aspect of I keep
Speaker 5: playing it back in my mind after I saw that
Speaker 5: he was released. If he had chosen to simply stay here, right,
Speaker 5: he would have at least had a chance at beating
Speaker 5: out Chuma Ydoga. He would not have beat out opportunity,
Speaker 5: but he would have had the opportunity. I don't Obviously
Speaker 5: things did not go well for him in Buffalo, but
Speaker 5: I think they he would have had a greater chance
Speaker 5: to make this offensive line roster. But that's neither here
Speaker 5: nor there now. But for me, I'm circling right back
Speaker 5: to the running backs. I'm looking at a name like
Speaker 5: Dante Foreman, and I'm also looking at a name like
Speaker 5: Frank Gorge Junior. Okay, since we're talking about Buffalo, talk
Speaker 5: about Frank gord Junior.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 5: Yes, I can appreciate why Dalvin Cook is being is
Speaker 5: expected to be added to the practice squad one hundred
Speaker 5: percent low risk, potentially high reward. But for when you
Speaker 5: look at who the Cowboys released at the position as well. Okay,
Speaker 5: I was just getting a text. I was checking to
Speaker 5: see if that was confirmation. But if you were looking
Speaker 5: at who the Cowboys released four running backs from Malik Davis,
Speaker 5: Nathaniel Pete Snoop Connor and Roy Freeman. Okay, I would
Speaker 5: love to have Royce Freeman back on the practice squad.
Speaker 5: But if it's for me, if it's Royce Freeman versus
Speaker 5: a Dante Foreman or taking from verse, yeah, I'm taking
Speaker 5: for me?
Speaker 7: Is it because he's different?
Speaker 1: He's different?
Speaker 5: He does provide that change of pace And if Dalvin
Speaker 5: is going to give you insurance for Rico and Zeke,
Speaker 5: who's your insurance.
Speaker 1: For duce Von? So you need and you know he's not.
Speaker 5: Dante is not as shifty or quick or small as
Speaker 5: duce Von. However, he does have shiftiness in his game.
Speaker 5: He does have quickness and ability to catch out of
Speaker 5: the backfield and produce in space. Frank Gore a little
Speaker 5: bit different, more of a bowling ball right, kind of
Speaker 5: like his dad.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 5: It's talented, not as talented at least, but I was
Speaker 5: going to see what his upside is. I mean, if
Speaker 5: you can bring in a young guy like that, he's,
Speaker 5: you know, rookie, you can maybe develop into something for
Speaker 5: next year, maybe the year after, because you're gonna need
Speaker 5: to solve this running back situation after this year. You
Speaker 5: didn't get a draft pick in for one this year,
Speaker 5: so you gotta have one next year.
Speaker 7: But Isaiah is on speed dial. They're going to sign
Speaker 7: him up before you know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean for you, now you got rich.
Speaker 5: So for me, it's Dante Foreman and Frank Gore Junior
Speaker 5: are the two names that kind of jump off the
Speaker 5: waiver wife for me. Now, my understanding is Dante Foreman
Speaker 5: has kind of like a gentleman's agreement, is what reports
Speaker 5: are saying. But you know, money talks, so I'm sure
Speaker 5: if you sprinkle a little bit because gentlemen like money too, Yeah,
Speaker 5: sprinkle a little bit more than than what what that
Speaker 5: gentleman agreement says, and you could probably get them on
Speaker 5: on the practice squad.
Speaker 8: That's fair enough. I was, I brought up a o'
Speaker 8: collins only because of injuries or our offensive line, and then.
Speaker 5: That's what I mean, like he would have had opportunity
Speaker 5: to make this fifty three.
Speaker 8: But now I mean it might be his third time
Speaker 8: coming back.
Speaker 7: To you don't think so, Isaiah?
Speaker 1: They on IR. They did not put Chum on IR.
Speaker 1: That's fair, not yet well fair. It could it could
Speaker 1: still happen. It could still happen to day.
Speaker 6: But from what I understand about like all Collins, he's
Speaker 6: just physically not what he was.
Speaker 1: So that's the reason why i'd be against that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's the reason why who stuck. I
Speaker 1: don't know, there wasn't anybody that really jumped off the page.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at the list right now, there's nobody that
Speaker 6: I think that Dallas Cowboys have done a good job
Speaker 6: of feeling their filling their holes. I think if you're
Speaker 6: going to add anything, there's there's a couple of d
Speaker 6: linemen into your guys that you could have added. You know,
Speaker 6: might Purcelle maybe the only other guy that I was
Speaker 6: add in there.
Speaker 7: But you've already added some guys there, I know, but.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't not to be confused, but I'm just.
Speaker 7: Saying, you've already in their head there.
Speaker 6: They've checked that box understood. But that's the only area
Speaker 6: that I would feel that. I mean, you're not going
Speaker 6: to go sign no big corners like save me how,
Speaker 6: You're not gonna You're not gonna do any big splash
Speaker 6: moves like that.
Speaker 1: So you're your rolling with who you have.
Speaker 6: You know, I would me personally, I want that interior
Speaker 6: D line loaded, and I think they've done a good
Speaker 6: job of feeling that. We'll see exactly how effective that
Speaker 6: is come next week. But I want that. I want
Speaker 6: that interior D line locked and loaded, because if you
Speaker 6: can't move me, you can't stop me from the inside,
Speaker 6: you don't saying a chance of doing anything offensively against me.
Speaker 6: So the inside of that D line is absolutely everything.
Speaker 6: You can have all the pass rushers in the world
Speaker 6: if I run up the middle, I don't have to
Speaker 6: deal with them.
Speaker 5: And to that point really quickly. Linval Joseph was made
Speaker 5: official on yesterday. If we're talking news practice to X team,
Speaker 5: tell us about he's awesome. I mean we used to
Speaker 5: go to the club together.
Speaker 1: But us about the other side.
Speaker 4: I want to hear about that. Watch films.
Speaker 1: I watched film Magic City.
Speaker 6: We play together in New York together. He's he's a
Speaker 6: big boy. Obviously he's been in the lead for a
Speaker 6: minute now.
Speaker 4: He did all right in New York.
Speaker 6: All right, he walked away with some jewelry. But he
Speaker 6: works hard, He goes about his business. You know, he's
Speaker 6: he's not crazy outspoken. He just does his job and
Speaker 6: he's effective at it. He understands, yeah, he understands what
Speaker 6: his role is he understands that his job go in
Speaker 6: there and clog some things up and let the look
Speaker 6: the boys behind him room free. And you know, obviously
Speaker 6: you talk about you know, Jordan Phillips coming in and
Speaker 6: that's he understands that as well. Right, that was one
Speaker 6: of his first comments. It's like, it's my if my
Speaker 6: linebackers were Pro bowlers and I did my job.
Speaker 1: I love that comment. So the more.
Speaker 6: Guys you can get in that room that can do
Speaker 6: their job effectively, the better. And I know I'll leave
Speaker 6: it at that.
Speaker 7: Listen, say it with your check with Friday. This is
Speaker 7: I don't care it is Friday.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's true, last show of the week.
Speaker 6: The reality is coach Zimmer is having a tremendous impact
Speaker 6: on the decisions that are being made upstairs, clearly, and
Speaker 6: he is unwilling to wait on the development of certain players.
Speaker 6: Say it, Mazzi, He's he has not seen what he
Speaker 6: needed to see what he needed to see to feel
Speaker 6: comfortable and confident going into this regular season. From Mazzie,
Speaker 6: that's not to say that he's not going to become that.
Speaker 6: But we had the same conversation last year and Mazzi's
Speaker 6: not big enough, he's not heavy enough. I don't think
Speaker 6: his shoulders strong enough yet, and I don't think that
Speaker 6: he's as dominant as they want him to be it,
Speaker 6: And you have to go fill those gaps.
Speaker 1: You can't just because you've invested a first.
Speaker 6: Round pick doesn't mean that you sit up there and
Speaker 6: just allow yourself to have a weak spot.
Speaker 1: You have to address it.
Speaker 6: If you're bringing in big Jordan Phillips, if you're bringing
Speaker 6: in Limn Phield Joseph, if you still have Osa diggiez
Speaker 6: or if you still have Goals, if you still have
Speaker 6: these cats in there, you're going to be pretty dog
Speaker 6: on solid. And guess what, young fella, I love you,
Speaker 6: but watch the big fella's work.
Speaker 1: So here's where I learned with that.
Speaker 5: Here's where I learned that even even if Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: looked at Mazzi throughout training camp and said, you know what,
Speaker 5: I feel good, James Brown style, I feel good, you
Speaker 5: still had a depth issue. You still needed to bring
Speaker 5: in Linval, if you still needed to make a move
Speaker 5: for Jordan Phillips. So I say that to say, I
Speaker 5: don't know that these additions are as much of a
Speaker 5: demerit to Mazie Smith's progress. As it is, Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: understanding better than most defensive coordinators, and he said this
Speaker 5: shortly after he was hired. He said, stop the run,
Speaker 5: stop the run, stop the run, and that includes improving
Speaker 5: linebackers as well. So look at the moves that the
Speaker 5: Cowboys have made defensively. They've wildly upgraded linebacker play and
Speaker 5: presumably we'll see how it plays out. But with the
Speaker 5: additions of Phillipson and Naval Joseph, they've upgraded the run
Speaker 5: defense on that interior as well. We'll see how the
Speaker 5: edges work. Marshawn Neeland, he's taking the strides in the
Speaker 5: absence of Sam Williams Carl last and expected to get
Speaker 5: an offer to come back to the practice squad. But
Speaker 5: he talked about ramp up. Yeah, I'm hearing that he
Speaker 5: would need that.
Speaker 1: He wasn't ready.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you can discourage and I need the
Speaker 6: fans understand us. If you can discourage a team from
Speaker 6: running the ball up the middle louder, what are then
Speaker 6: your options offensively louder?
Speaker 1: Then they can run it to the outside, which is.
Speaker 3: And and over and demon you got speed, that's your
Speaker 3: advantage to hit on the outside.
Speaker 6: Speed at the second level your advantage. So I'm discouraging
Speaker 6: you from going up the middle running the ball. So
Speaker 6: if I have to run it, I'm gonna try to
Speaker 6: go outside where I gotta deal with Micahu. No, I'm
Speaker 6: gonna go deal with d lok crap. There's guys behind
Speaker 6: them that are flowing to the ball fast. Okay, cool,
Speaker 6: you know what. Screw that, I'm gonna drop back and pass.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 6: So if I'm gonna throw, guess what Now, I have
Speaker 6: interior being. I have to use a center and a
Speaker 6: guard to block these guys on the inside. So what
Speaker 6: does that make me do?
Speaker 1: Now? Okay, if those three guys are being occupied by
Speaker 1: two big fellas, then I have one on ones with
Speaker 1: my dns.
Speaker 6: That's why Coach Zimmer is making these moves and bringing
Speaker 6: in these proven veterans. He's like, I don't have time
Speaker 6: to wait. I'm on a one year contract. No, I
Speaker 6: don't have time to wait on your first rounder.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: I love you, I love your development. You're coming along,
Speaker 6: not ready yet. Give me the big fellas that can
Speaker 6: do this job. By the way, Oh yeah, Joseph, Yeah,
Speaker 6: you played for me. You understand what was required. I
Speaker 6: got you, coach, Kendrick, You've done this. Yeah, I got you, coach.
Speaker 6: Let's go play ball.
Speaker 5: It's the end verse of Jonathan Hankins and Mozzie Smith.
Speaker 5: I was just about the Hanks was the start and
Speaker 5: Mazzi was rotational. Now Mozzi is the starter in Linvall
Speaker 5: will rotate.
Speaker 3: And and Phillips has some flax there too, because Joseph
Speaker 3: and Phillips can both play.
Speaker 7: The one and the three.
Speaker 3: Joseph is more of a one while his Phillips is
Speaker 3: more of a three, but they can both interchange back
Speaker 3: and forth. One of the most underrated losses of the
Speaker 3: season is Jonathan Hankins of the offseason. Letting him go
Speaker 3: was a hurt for this team, and you knew it
Speaker 3: immediately when it did they let him go or he
Speaker 3: chose He chose eight and dirty. It makes Seattle defense
Speaker 3: totally makes sense, not like he went to Washington with
Speaker 3: the with the other bus fload of However, you've.
Speaker 7: I'm going to clip that just for like that was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you've upgraded in the veteran defensive tackle
Speaker 3: department because you had you had Jonathan Hankins.
Speaker 4: Now you have two guys and a more experienced Mazzie.
Speaker 3: I feel much much, much, much much better about this
Speaker 3: defensive tackle you got, young fell exactly. Yeah, justin Rodgers look,
Speaker 3: Jackson's look good. I mean there's things that you can
Speaker 3: you can take from that group and say they're moving
Speaker 3: in the right direction.
Speaker 1: All right, when we come back, a couple of quick transactions.
Speaker 4: Can I do it on the other side of the break.
Speaker 3: Let's do it on the other side of the break,
Speaker 3: because we've got some transactions to talk about. We've got
Speaker 3: cuts to talk about. Who was the most surprising cut
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Speaker 7: All right, we've got to talk about cuts, quick transaction.
Speaker 7: Let's talk transactions.
Speaker 5: First, Cowboys waived both Eric Scott and safety Julius Wood
Speaker 5: this week part of their cutdowns.
Speaker 1: Sometime both been claimed.
Speaker 5: Eric Scott to the Chiefs, So the Chiefs are doing
Speaker 5: some shopping in the Cowboys cupboard. Julius Wood to the
Speaker 5: Tennessee Titans. Pick and Wood was one that they really
Speaker 5: were hoping would clear so he could get to the press.
Speaker 1: He wasn't coming back. Man.
Speaker 6: I told you about Woods as soon as we got
Speaker 6: to camp. I'm like that three three nice you were.
Speaker 6: You were on him, very nice?
Speaker 1: Take it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he only made plays in the preseason, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 8: no big deal.
Speaker 1: No, Cowboys were like good. But not to be fair though,
Speaker 1: I mean it's for his game.
Speaker 5: Who who on the active roster would you have sacrificed
Speaker 5: to carry five guy?
Speaker 6: He's a guy that you would love to have, see
Speaker 6: what I mean, he's a big safety man.
Speaker 10: He is.
Speaker 3: I would have to dig into the like the running
Speaker 3: back cupboard, and maybe Deuce Van doesn't make this.
Speaker 7: Team instead of that Wood doesn't me They weren't going
Speaker 7: to Turkey.
Speaker 1: That doesn't job. They weren't going to do something like that.
Speaker 4: So well thirty three now what was that?
Speaker 1: Do I mean?
Speaker 4: Cook gets thirty three? Wo I'm gonna make roster.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, let's just let's just focus
Speaker 5: on cook getting to the practice squad and getting before
Speaker 5: we get into arguing which number he should have, just
Speaker 5: get him.
Speaker 1: In cooking, going on. All right, well, there's some more
Speaker 1: cooking cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 16: Did you see Kansas City cut a former cowboy and
Speaker 16: then picked a cowboy up right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Well we also we didn't talk about the fact that,
Speaker 5: and it's not made official yet, but Peyton Hendershot, he's traded,
Speaker 5: traded to the chief You talk about it for a
Speaker 5: late conditional round, late round, conditional kick. Cowboys were going
Speaker 5: to wave Peyton Hendershot, but they found a trade partner
Speaker 5: before they did that, And I think that's just that's finesse.
Speaker 5: That's something that so many Cowboys fans have voiced so
Speaker 5: much angst about this front office over the past several seasons.
Speaker 5: Why just wave a guy and not find a trade partner.
Speaker 1: Well, here you go.
Speaker 5: They found a trade partner in the Kansas City Chiefs,
Speaker 5: Peyton Hendershot, who didn't ever really have a shot at
Speaker 5: making this roster once they signed Brevin span Ford, and
Speaker 5: we talked about that big fellow John Stevens Junior came
Speaker 5: back from injury.
Speaker 1: Both of those.
Speaker 5: Schoolmaker is not going anywhere this year there and of
Speaker 5: course Jake is Jake, So Cowboys are carrying four tight ends.
Speaker 5: And Peyton Hendershot dealt with injury again this training camp
Speaker 5: that cost him a lot of practices, didn't flash.
Speaker 1: When he was he has a season.
Speaker 6: The reality is he lost confidence after Schoolmaker got never
Speaker 6: regained it.
Speaker 1: That's the reality.
Speaker 5: Jake and Peyton went in two different directions when that
Speaker 5: school Maker Picky.
Speaker 4: You remember hearing all.
Speaker 3: The storylines of those two guys and the rookies and
Speaker 3: just the way that they had these high ceilings.
Speaker 6: And Hendershott has a lot of talent. Yeah, he has
Speaker 6: a lot of talent. That has is the mental for
Speaker 6: him and if he can overcome that, and he had
Speaker 6: an amazing coach here. Obviously he was in a good
Speaker 6: room here. But if you were to leave this situation
Speaker 6: and go to any other situation to go learn from
Speaker 6: a veteran who had possessed the same skill sets as you,
Speaker 6: just thirty pounds heavier, then.
Speaker 1: But it's Kansas City Chiefs. Good luck to him, you know, girlfriends.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got three rings. There's a little bit of
Speaker 4: a difference between, but.
Speaker 1: It's sometimes it's a good reset.
Speaker 6: I went through a lot of injuries here with the
Speaker 6: Dallas Cowboys and my mind was not where I needed
Speaker 6: it to be confidence wise, And I left here and
Speaker 6: I was literally almost back to the competence level that
Speaker 6: I was coming out of college. You know, it's just
Speaker 6: just new environment, new setting, no preconceived notions on you. Like,
Speaker 6: it's just it's sometimes it just it can be refreshing
Speaker 6: to be in a new space. So I'm hoping that
Speaker 6: that's the case for him, And good job to the
Speaker 6: Cowboys to getting something for him.
Speaker 3: Now here's here's the conditions for the seventh round pick,
Speaker 3: by the way, So they receive a seventh round pick
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six, right seventh round pick twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six hinder shot on the fifty three man roster or
Speaker 3: for five games this season, or if he's on the
Speaker 3: forty six man game day roster for three games.
Speaker 7: So he's got to be active on game day.
Speaker 8: And if either requirement is not met, we do not
Speaker 8: get that pick.
Speaker 4: No, don't getting well, but you're him anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like what Isaiah said though, and I've said
Speaker 5: this a lot of times before, when it comes to
Speaker 5: pick Hindershot again, when the Luke Schoolmaker card got turned in,
Speaker 5: it was only one way to go, oh, two ways
Speaker 5: to go, and you got to choose your path. Jake
Speaker 5: Ferguson took it as I'm going to you know, it's competition,
Speaker 5: going to level up, and I'm going to mentor this kid.
Speaker 5: At the same time, Peyton Hindershot dropped his helmet and
Speaker 5: kind of went into winter the hole, right, and he
Speaker 5: never snapped out of that. And then he got injured
Speaker 5: last year and that kind of stole more of his momentum.
Speaker 5: And then he heard the front office, you know, giving
Speaker 5: so much praise to John Stevens Junior, even after the
Speaker 5: kid towards a cl and hadn't played in the regular
Speaker 5: season game, basically saying, yeah, he would have made the
Speaker 5: roster and then and then he has a high priority
Speaker 5: undrafted free agent. So hopefully Peyton Hindershot uses this as
Speaker 5: a reset to snap out of that. And also, Frank
Speaker 5: gorg Junior just re signed to the practice squad for Buffalo,
Speaker 5: So dream is dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah that one.
Speaker 3: So Dante, Yeah, all right, I'm just gonna go down
Speaker 3: the list of cuts. These are the guys that are
Speaker 3: no longer with the Cowboys. Of course, a lot of
Speaker 3: these guys will return to the practice squad as early
Speaker 3: as when today, Pat, like.
Speaker 1: What quickly, as early as forty nine minutes ago.
Speaker 5: So teams can begin building their practice squad effective noon
Speaker 5: today Eastern time, which was the moment we started this show.
Speaker 3: So, and if we should go now, if we have
Speaker 3: anything in the next ten minutes out of these names, Pat,
Speaker 3: we'll let us know. Uh, stop me if there's somebody
Speaker 3: that you want to talk about out of this list, So,
Speaker 3: Josh Baul, Deontay Burnett, wide receiver, cornerback, Josh Butler, center,
Speaker 3: Cole Cabral running backs, new Connor Malie Davis also a
Speaker 3: running back.
Speaker 11: Denzel Daxton defensive tackle was cut.
Speaker 1: You perked up there?
Speaker 4: You want to talk about him at all or not
Speaker 4: like him? I don't think we've seen the last of dates.
Speaker 3: Josh de Berry defensive back, David Dirt and wide receiver,
Speaker 3: Princeton Fant tight end.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's a big one. Please get him back one. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a tough cut for me when I was
Speaker 1: doing my fifty three because he's so versatile. Yeah, he's especially,
Speaker 1: he's a specially Go ahead, well.
Speaker 8: This next one is going to be tough for you
Speaker 8: and tough for all of us. Basically, go ahead, Villiami Fojoco.
Speaker 8: Oh no, never mind, Oh wow, Royce Freeman. The next one,
Speaker 8: Kemon Hall, that one that's tough. I had to pick six.
Speaker 11: Yeah, he played well and they played practices.
Speaker 3: He played well in the preseason. But they It goes
Speaker 3: back to what we were just talking about. Whenever it
Speaker 3: came to Eric Scott Junior and Julius Wood. Who are
Speaker 3: you in the middle of this secondary? Who are you
Speaker 3: cutting to make room for that guy? To make room
Speaker 3: for kem On Hall. I don't know if there was
Speaker 3: just a that's the problem. I don't think there's a
Speaker 3: guy there that we could have done in that regard.
Speaker 3: All right, So keem On Hall, Kelvin Harmon, Darius Harris,
Speaker 3: Willie Harvey.
Speaker 4: That's a tough that's tough.
Speaker 1: Do you know how well, Yes, he's going to be
Speaker 1: a really good player, Kelvin Harmon.
Speaker 6: I like Harmon. I like what I saw from him.
Speaker 6: He's young, he's he needs a lot more reps. But
Speaker 6: I think Billy Johnson and proper preseason.
Speaker 1: I like how he fights for the ball.
Speaker 3: Alec Haller tight end, a defensive tackle, tackle, Albert Huggins,
Speaker 3: wide receiver, Cam Johnson, defensive end Darrell Johnson. Uh, the
Speaker 3: back of Montie Johnson, linebacker Jason Johnson, wide receiver Tyron Johnson.
Speaker 3: I mean basically anybody with an the last name Johnson
Speaker 3: not named Buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah done.
Speaker 11: Karl Lawson defensive end.
Speaker 1: Is that a shock to you. No, we were talking
Speaker 1: about that the other day.
Speaker 8: That's the ramp up, right.
Speaker 4: I just didn't have it.
Speaker 1: It just went from when I saw in the game.
Speaker 1: It just yeah, not ready, Nope, okay.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 3: Wide receiver Racy McMath, linebacker Brock Mogenson, Jalen Cropper at
Speaker 3: wide receiver al Quadeen Muhammad.
Speaker 1: He was placed on an injured he's on a reserve suspend.
Speaker 5: That's what it was, Okay, So he didn't have to
Speaker 5: worry about to move for him until after week one
Speaker 5: one game.
Speaker 1: Still I like him, Yeah, I like him. You were
Speaker 1: talking about him in the preseason game.
Speaker 15: I like him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Running back Nathaniel Pete, defensive tackle Justin Rodgers Rogers that stuff.
Speaker 8: That's a seventh round pick. In the twenty twenty four I.
Speaker 1: Had him on my fifty three. That was rough for me.
Speaker 1: I think he'll come back, believe, I think absolutely hope.
Speaker 1: I believe claimed he's not claimed.
Speaker 5: So so these I'm looking at the wire, the wire,
Speaker 5: looking at the wire, and these are all of those
Speaker 5: that were claimed by the NFL deadline of noon Eastern
Speaker 5: time today, right, So that means the latest round of
Speaker 5: waiver wires has been cleared.
Speaker 1: So now these guys are free to sign.
Speaker 5: So the Cowboys on we lost two guys, and Eric Scott,
Speaker 5: Julius Woods, everybody else we're talking about sign is fair game.
Speaker 3: There's Dakota Shepley center, Nathan Thomas tackle, he's out for
Speaker 3: the season. Uh, Nick Vigil linebacker, Damian Wilson linebacker and
Speaker 3: defensive back.
Speaker 1: I like Damian Wilson too, I like.
Speaker 3: I like this.
Speaker 8: Sorry, Nathan Thomas is only an injured reserve not.
Speaker 1: Why are yeah?
Speaker 6: I like the entire preseason linebacker room, Damian Wilson, Buddy Johnson,
Speaker 6: Willie Harvey.
Speaker 1: I like all those guys he had. Vigil was was
Speaker 1: okay to me, and he didn't pop to me. On
Speaker 1: special teams. He's a special teamer.
Speaker 8: Mogenson too, showed flashes, he had a pickggs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't show up for me too much either.
Speaker 6: I like those three those Wilson, Buddy Johnson, Harley Harvey,
Speaker 6: those three to me, I like, I like Race Freeman.
Speaker 1: I do, I just I just do.
Speaker 6: I think he's consistent. I think you know what you're
Speaker 6: going to get out of him, and I think he's
Speaker 6: a heck of an asset on special teams.
Speaker 1: So Frank gorg Junior out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would like Race Freeman to still bear back then,
Speaker 6: and then again, if you're bringing back, if you're bringing
Speaker 6: Dovin Cookan on the practice squad, then where's the room
Speaker 6: for that. Yeah, there's a room for that, right because
Speaker 6: those guys are they're pretty much the same back except
Speaker 6: for one does special teams. That's why I was surprised.
Speaker 6: We had the conversation on Monday about are you going
Speaker 6: to keep Race Freeman? Are you going to keep upon?
Speaker 1: So here's a question. Not to interrupt, here's a question.
Speaker 5: So with the Cowboys, because Denzel Dexon wasn't claimed either,
Speaker 5: so he can be there plus one. So now they
Speaker 5: can carry seventeen because they get the I P P
Speaker 5: exemption for him, which for those that don't know International
Speaker 5: Pathway program, same thing that they did for Isaac ellacom Bahamas.
Speaker 5: But it's that's a conversation because it took me a
Speaker 5: while to try to wrap my head around stop it, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: stop it loophole.
Speaker 1: You can't say that loophole.
Speaker 4: But Hamas is a country, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: He's saying is like, how does he qualify for IPP
Speaker 5: And he's right, but he does, so they're.
Speaker 6: Going with that.
Speaker 3: So my plan, Mike McDaniels, for those who don't know,
Speaker 3: you're still look at the picture of McDaniels in like
Speaker 3: twenty twenty compared to now, compared.
Speaker 1: To now, bro we did that like good body football.
Speaker 1: He looks he looks like Mark Anthony. He took it.
Speaker 3: He was he started started his coaching career as like
Speaker 3: the prey generic question or a character on like GTA,
Speaker 3: and then by the end of it, whenever you have
Speaker 3: millions and millions and millions of dollars in that video
Speaker 3: game and you get to buy all the new stuff, that's.
Speaker 7: What Mike McDaniels looks like.
Speaker 1: You got now we were not at the time.
Speaker 5: I'm want to ask I want to get your guys opinion,
Speaker 5: So you can carry seventeen because you get the plus
Speaker 5: one from the decks. How many running backs are you carrying?
Speaker 5: Considering you get that extra on the practice squad, I'd
Speaker 5: be fine carrying.
Speaker 6: Three, three on the practice, three on the press two
Speaker 6: because you think about it, you have three on the
Speaker 6: active roster plus a fullback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got four already. Basically that's fair. Right, So
Speaker 1: if I was going to do that, I feel like
Speaker 1: one so one what is a gift?
Speaker 6: So to your point, I would bring back Fan because
Speaker 6: I'm bringing back I'm bringing him back.
Speaker 1: I want him anyways. But he's your tight end slash fullback. Okay,
Speaker 1: he did do it.
Speaker 6: So if something was to ever happened with lip right,
Speaker 6: not only are you gaining a tight end, you're gaining
Speaker 6: a fullback and you're gaining a core special teamers.
Speaker 4: I'd have two guys.
Speaker 7: I'd have Dalvin Cook if if he's indeed going to
Speaker 7: be signed.
Speaker 5: And then I can't confirm he will be signed in
Speaker 5: convert got that text while we were having that exchange thing.
Speaker 1: It's like bring that's like it's definitely news broken.
Speaker 6: The reason like for me, like Dalvin Cook. If he
Speaker 6: can contribute the way that he used to, then awesome.
Speaker 6: But I mean, what are you realistically expecting? See, this
Speaker 6: is maybe eight carries a game, So then why not
Speaker 6: on a heavy workload? So then why not use the
Speaker 6: extra the free spot because I'm looking for guys that
Speaker 6: you're gonna give you flex like I'm looking for flex,
Speaker 6: Like if you're gonna have a running back by committee,
Speaker 6: give me a running back like Royce Freeman, who's gonna
Speaker 6: give me five carries where I need to get down
Speaker 6: there on the gold line right to go downhill?
Speaker 1: And then guess what he's on every special team? Did
Speaker 1: you see enough from Nathaniel Pete? Like I like you, No, No,
Speaker 1: I know, I hear you.
Speaker 6: But if you're gonna do this committee, I'm asking, like,
Speaker 6: I'm just I did not see enough by him. But
Speaker 6: the reason why I'm sitting on the table for a
Speaker 6: Freeman is because of the versatility. If I'm gonna be sharing,
Speaker 6: if you say you have twenty carries in twenty five
Speaker 6: carries in the game with you you have three running backs, where.
Speaker 1: Are you going what fifteen ten or not even right
Speaker 1: fifteen eight? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: So you're rotating those guys through that nobody's getting a
Speaker 6: heavy workload. So what else am I getting from you
Speaker 6: being on the roster today?
Speaker 8: Special teams?
Speaker 6: Exactly? This is not playing special teams. He's gonna play
Speaker 6: a little bit of special teams. Right, I made a
Speaker 6: personal protector. Maybe that's about it.
Speaker 3: I'm in the same boat, and I wasn't necessarily on
Speaker 3: the wish for signing and have been. The One thing
Speaker 3: with Dalvin Cooks specifically is that he does have that upside.
Speaker 3: He has a veteran ability to share within the room
Speaker 3: and within the locker room. I just want to try
Speaker 3: it at this point. If you're signing him to the
Speaker 3: active roster, then that's different. I don't want to take
Speaker 3: up a roster spot from first Dalvin cook But with
Speaker 3: him being on the practice squad, there's literally no idea.
Speaker 6: I just want people to understand when you have a
Speaker 6: running back by commit, typically you have a two headed monster.
Speaker 1: We hear that term all the time. You have a
Speaker 1: starter and you have a second, you have a second
Speaker 1: second guy.
Speaker 6: Right, So if you had a like old school Zeke
Speaker 6: and Tony Pollard, neither one of them were going to
Speaker 6: touch a special team unless it was that kick return.
Speaker 6: They're not touching kick return. I have two running backs
Speaker 6: that I know are not going to touch special teams. Now,
Speaker 6: you cannot afford to have three running backs on an
Speaker 6: active day roster and that aren't touching special teams.
Speaker 1: You can't afford that.
Speaker 4: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm with you both, and no, just Deduce
Speaker 1: Douce can only return for you right now. That's that's
Speaker 1: all he can do. And you have a pro bowler
Speaker 1: at red at a return.
Speaker 6: Yes, everybody's gonna say what a kick off return has
Speaker 6: two returners, Yeah, but the other one's gonna be.
Speaker 5: Blocking and one has to be blocking, which is which
Speaker 5: is why when that new rule came out, one of
Speaker 5: the first things we talked about on talking out dren
Speaker 5: ox Nor was the.
Speaker 1: Added value that gives ric o'dowdele. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And and now when you look at how the depth,
Speaker 5: when you look at how the shakes out, he you're
Speaker 5: going to see Rico Dawdle back there you will.
Speaker 3: I think so too. I think you'll see him a
Speaker 3: little bit. We talked about it a little bit last night.
Speaker 3: That'll be another conversation for another episode though. Whenever it
Speaker 3: comes to Douce Vaughn and his role on this team.
Speaker 3: If he's making a fifty three man roster, spot you
Speaker 3: a lot. There better be a plan with Deuce Vaughan
Speaker 3: and what he's doing and what he's bringing. I'm glad
Speaker 3: he made it because he is a great guy, love
Speaker 3: his dad, and the whole story behind it is incredible.
Speaker 3: But at some point you got to contribute if you're
Speaker 3: gonna be on the fifty three man.
Speaker 8: Acts, as long as it's behind this offensive line. I
Speaker 8: don't want to see him behind backups, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean?
Speaker 5: Just running behind Cooper Baby, Get him on the field.
Speaker 5: Know that those two guys they kind of know each other.
Speaker 5: They kind of know each other.
Speaker 1: He's done pretty well behind Take the minute, give me
Speaker 1: the b.
Speaker 3: Before we get out of here. Before we get out
Speaker 3: of here, one of shameless plug Isaiah. This weekend, you're
Speaker 3: making the trip up to Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: What are you doing up in Canton.
Speaker 6: I'll be working with NFL Network Steve Wis, Bucky Brooks
Speaker 6: will be calling the Black College Hall of Fame game.
Speaker 6: It's gonna be Virginia State versus Benedictte Benedette.
Speaker 1: What day Tom Sunday. How do I don't even don't
Speaker 1: even know what time.
Speaker 3: I think it's like a one pmk something like that,
Speaker 3: Sunday afternoon Sunday. Check your local listings, check your local lists.
Speaker 1: We'll be on there.
Speaker 6: It's nationally national broadcast, so that anything on NFL network
Speaker 6: that day, guys up up in the way.
Speaker 7: And then uh, and then we've got a little game coming.
Speaker 1: Up this weekend. That's a dope pat As, thanks man.
Speaker 4: Yes, how about that?
Speaker 3: Uh, Waburger gave Jerry Jones Classic, the Waburger Jerry Jones Classic.
Speaker 3: I'll be on the call with heck Ma Harrison who's
Speaker 3: on Players Lounge. Nick Harris will be on the sideline
Speaker 3: and we're actually going.
Speaker 1: To be before you on NFL Network.
Speaker 5: Nice, We're gonna We're gonna saying we're gonna be They're
Speaker 5: Talking Cowboys podcast is going to be nationally televised this weekend.
Speaker 1: Different ways take that boys. There junior varsity and this
Speaker 1: is varsity.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 3: North Crowley Lancaster two of the best high school teams
Speaker 3: in the country. North Crowley talked to their coach Monday.
Speaker 3: He said they have twenty four Division one offered kids.
Speaker 3: Twenty four they're loaded and their quarterback committed to the
Speaker 3: beautiful University of North Texas.
Speaker 4: Baby do mean green.
Speaker 3: So we've got a lot going on this weekend. Be
Speaker 3: sure to cure up, offered Isaiah. Probably he may.
Speaker 4: They may still eat through forty touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Last because Carson's on the way out. We need we
Speaker 1: need some qbs.
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