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Speaker 1: today's podcast, it's gonna be fun. The athletics analytics guru

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Speaker 1: Seth Partnow is gonna join us later in this show.

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Speaker 1: He's actually gonna take us through some of the most insane,

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Speaker 1: like crazy, wildest stat from this twenty twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: these because we got a lot of questions for Seth. First,

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Speaker 1: one Ley Steph Curry forty one points pushes the Warriors

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Speaker 2: Well, so that's the thing, I am actually the target

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Speaker 6: Marvel's first Champion in the Arena of Heroes. Just rolls

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Speaker 6: It was an entertaining thing for a game that wasn't

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Speaker 6: Marvel's first Champion while being recruited by Doctor Strange. I

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Speaker 6: They kept calling him Marvel's first Champion, which means there's

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Some of it was like, okay, I'm still watching a

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Speaker 8: I liked it way more than I thought I would,

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Speaker 8: You know, I thought this set and the graphics looked awesome,

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Speaker 8: And you know, Ryan and Richard they seemed to be

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Speaker 8: I thought she killed it. I mean, those are the

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Speaker 1: There's comic book characters to attach to everybody.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was kind of just hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was looking like sting from the WCW days

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Speaker 8: Get the helmet, jeez, that not just he's gonna clip

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Speaker 6: Warriors fans, it's four thirty we on their time on

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Speaker 6: Let's throw on this Marvel game and watch it there

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Speaker 6: A couple great moments I loved In this one. You

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Speaker 2: That's what's really important here. They were seventeen and thirty

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Speaker 1: So we know that's what they're going to be doing

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Speaker 1: As it probably won't count as a regular season the game,

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Speaker 2: But right now he's fresh, he's playing him back to

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Speaker 6: That's a lot of roast beef. He also had twenty

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Speaker 6: Gone on this Oh yeah, I had to stretch it

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Speaker 6: out to get those rebound to assist highlights. I think

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Speaker 6: there was seven or eight that Westbrook had where he

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Speaker 6: grabbed a rebound and the Wizards were scoring within the

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Speaker 6: next three or four seconds. Yeah, obviously came against the Pacers.

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Speaker 1: Again, what's going on there?

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Speaker 6: I think six of the last ten to twenty rebound

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Speaker 6: games have come against the Pacers. Makes for a complete meal.

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Speaker 6: You got the beef, the apple sauce, and the corn, meat.

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Speaker 5: Fruit and veg.

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Speaker 6: You're eating good, just like Russell Westbrook. Incredible performance and

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Speaker 6: a delightful beef to be slicing and dicing. Last night,

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Speaker 6: I'm telling Laura not only to go to slice up

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Speaker 6: this beef. Westbrook had an apple sauce. She's like, what's

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Speaker 6: an apple sauce? Well, obviously that's twenty says. She's like,

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Speaker 6: you know, roast beef and apple sauce, they don't go together.

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Speaker 6: It's pork chops and apple sauce. I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: but apple sauce is assists. Roast beef is rebound. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: but pork chops and apple sauce are the things that

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Speaker 6: go together. Yeah, exactly, they don't go together, but when

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Speaker 6: you put them together, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, roast beef rb ree bounds assists as

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Speaker 1: t apple sauce as Come on, Laura, Jesus, follow along here.

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Speaker 1: It's not rocket science. That is incredible game.

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Speaker 10: What a lot was fun?

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Speaker 1: And you're right, Lee, I think I think the Wizards

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Speaker 1: are the favorites to grab the eight seed at this point,

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Speaker 1: like to get to the eight seed. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you're betting against them when Westbrook's playing like this

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Speaker 1: and Beal's obviously still dominating Burton's and contributing after he

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Speaker 1: had the birth of his son. There he has missed

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Speaker 1: a shot, so oh yeah, they're rolling. Okay, but let's

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Speaker 1: keep going here. The lebron less Lakers hold off the

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Speaker 1: Nuggets to halt a three game losing streak. Mark Gasol

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Speaker 1: compared his role with the Lakers trade to Winston Wolf

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Speaker 1: from pulp fiction. We're talking all movies here today, Star Wars,

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Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic Universe, pulp fiction. But what'd you say

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Speaker 1: from this one?

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Speaker 6: If you want to do a late night game, maybe

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Speaker 6: a pulp fiction by NBA remix would be pretty good.

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Speaker 6: I would tune in for that. But this was honestly

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Speaker 6: an excellent, ugly win for the Lakers. We know there

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Speaker 6: are a great fast break team in a famous location.

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Speaker 6: They've got massive stars, but they actually win with defense

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Speaker 6: and they This was a great one, a huge needed

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Speaker 6: win over a hot team in the Denver Nuggets, who

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Speaker 6: are ahead of them in the standings, and considering the

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Speaker 6: Lakers struggles, I don't know. Best win of the season

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Speaker 6: perhaps for the Lakers, at least after Ad and Lebron

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Speaker 6: went down.

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Speaker 11: Ad was great.

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Speaker 6: Twenty five points, seven rebounds, three blocks, made a floater

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Speaker 6: under a minute, had an incredible block on a Composo

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Speaker 6: three to save the game. He came from basically under

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Speaker 6: the rim to the three point line to get a

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Speaker 6: finger on it. They had a picture of him that

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Speaker 6: task had and what you need to know from behind

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Speaker 6: Anthony Davis, and he looks like he's one hundred feet

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Speaker 6: taller than Facundo Kompazo. I thought this was Davis's game.

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Speaker 6: Jokic was great, played MVP basketball again, thirty two nine

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Speaker 6: five three steals in a block MPJ had nineteen. Javail

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Speaker 6: had ten in a revenge game, but no other nugget

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Speaker 6: was in double digits. And this is the kind of

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Speaker 6: game you can see how they're gonna miss Jamal Murray.

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Speaker 6: Nice stuff from the stars, no doubt, but the story

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Speaker 6: of the gameskeets Mark Gasol. Like you mentioned it, guys

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Speaker 6: played a total of fifteen minutes since April sixth, didn't

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Speaker 6: play at all in the lakers previous game against the Raptors.

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Speaker 6: Came in, gave the Lakers seventeen minutes of savvy, ten points,

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Speaker 6: three threes plus seventeen in those seventeen minutes, and like

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Speaker 6: you said, he said he was happy to play the

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Speaker 6: mister Wolf role from pulp fiction. You know, he comes

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Speaker 6: in when things aren't going great, fixes everything up. And

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Speaker 6: I thought that was a perfect comparison. Yeah, Harvey Kaitel,

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Speaker 6: He's an old, established actor at the time, not a

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Speaker 6: ton of screen time in pulp fiction, but a massive

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Speaker 6: character impact. And that feels the same for Marc Gasol,

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Speaker 6: No doubt, he's older, he's not getting a ton of time,

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Speaker 6: but he's gonna be totally necessary to the Lake because

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Speaker 6: you think maybe Andre Drummond is supposed to be their

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Speaker 6: Dwight Howard replacement, a big athletic guy who could theoretically

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Speaker 6: bang with Jokic, but he doesn't quite have the know how, physicality, positioning,

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Speaker 6: whatever you want to call it that Marc Gasoul does.

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Speaker 6: So I think that Gasol is going to be the

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Speaker 6: guy if the Lakers and the Nuggets end up playing

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Speaker 6: against each other, just because Gasol knows how to stay

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Speaker 6: down and stay in front of Jokic. They built a

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Speaker 6: ten point lead over the Nuggets. Then Gasol comes out,

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Speaker 6: Drummond comes in. They almost blow the lead. Gasol comes

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Speaker 6: back in and they sealed things there at the end.

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Speaker 6: Great stuff from Marc Gasol to get the tab Hey,

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Speaker 6: come down, you got some You got some clothes for

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Speaker 6: John Travolta and Samuel L.

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Speaker 5: Jackson. Bring a banana slug shirt. I'll be there.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If if Gasol is Winston, who does that make Drummond

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Speaker 1: here in pulp fiction? Lely wait have you seen?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes like the greatest movie you have Bruce Willis.

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Speaker 2: Like he was supposed to take a dive, wasn't he?

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Speaker 2: But he didn't and then he went on the run.

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Speaker 1: Is that Andre Drummond?

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Speaker 2: You know he ran on the run from Cleveland?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well, John Shuman. Have you seen pulp ficture? We might

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Speaker 1: spoil it here in the next couple of minutes on Okay,

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Speaker 1: don't worry about it. But he got solely obviously contribute here,

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Speaker 1: and he might be pretty instrumental, especially in certain matchups

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Here absolutely and Gasol. You know, he's a little bit slower,

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Speaker 2: of course than the other guys, but he moves well

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Speaker 2: enough to get into Jokich's way. And John Hollinger pointed

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Speaker 2: out on Twitter last night that he's actually historically has

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Speaker 2: matched up against him pretty well. So that's the sort

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Speaker 2: of thing. Marcasol wasn't happy when Drummond came over. He

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Speaker 2: thought his minutes were going to eat into his time,

548
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Speaker 2: and they have. But when there's a role for him,

549
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Speaker 2: he stays ready, stays professionally, gets it done. And then

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Speaker 2: you saw him with the hitting the three last night.

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Speaker 2: He did the symbol as well, because his shot hasn't

552
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Speaker 2: been falling all that much this season. But it's also

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Speaker 2: just weird seeing a team play with two bigs a

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Speaker 2: lot of the game last night. You know, at times

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Speaker 2: it was Davis and Drummond and then Gasol, and Davis

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Speaker 2: was out there as well, you know, that's just something

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Speaker 2: we just don't see a lot of these days, you know,

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Speaker 2: sort of two guys who could be a center on

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Speaker 2: the same team. But you know, Davis obviously spreads to

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Speaker 2: Florence on his gasol when he's hitting those threes. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Drummond doesn't do it as much, although he can operate

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Speaker 2: in the high post there and pass the ball. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: this was an important game for the Lakers to win,

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Speaker 2: and important because Davis did finally look something better to

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Speaker 2: the something closer to the player that we expect him

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Speaker 2: to be. So Lakers toughed it out and got a

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Speaker 2: good victory.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to fly through the rest of

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Speaker 1: the games here because I want to get to our guests.

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Speaker 1: Seth part now he's going to join us in a

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Speaker 1: second here. But we had Carmelo Anthony passing Elvin Hayes

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Speaker 1: for tenth in scoring on the all time scoring list,

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. But the Hawks stop the Blezer's four

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Speaker 1: game win streak. Bogdanovich, he was asked him in the

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Speaker 1: first half, hitting a bunch of threes, Galla Nari. He's

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Speaker 1: a spicy one. He was money. In the second half,

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Speaker 1: he had a ton of threes in that second half

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Speaker 1: as the Hawks got a really nice victory. You paired

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Speaker 1: that with the next winning again last night, that four

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Speaker 1: or five matchup we started a while ago. That's going

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Speaker 1: to be a fun series between the Knicks and the

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Speaker 1: Hawks if that one stays the way it is, I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited about that. But Mellow again, this is pretty incredible,

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Speaker 1: especially when you think leally that this guy's career looked

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Speaker 1: like it was over after he played what like ten

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Speaker 1: games in the eighteen nineteen season, but he found a

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Speaker 1: new life here in Portland, and now he's passed something

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Speaker 1: like nine guys on the career scoring list over these

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Speaker 1: past two years, like taking down Alex English and Garnett

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Speaker 1: and have the Check and Paul Pierce and Duncan and

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Speaker 1: Niek and Oscar and a Keem and now Elvin Hayes

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Speaker 1: from Ello Anthony up to tenth. That is cool. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the clip going around too. Again,

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Speaker 1: came in a loss, so that sucks for the Blazers

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Speaker 1: after that four game win Street, but like he got

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Speaker 1: the game ball and had like a basically a cool

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Speaker 1: little speech to the locker room sort of addressing what

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Speaker 1: I just said, like, you know, people wrote me off

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Speaker 1: and I came back and look, I'm climbing up the

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Speaker 1: ranks here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's accepted a role coming off the bench

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Speaker 2: and performing it well. And I think he gets if

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Speaker 2: you can put that graphic back up there, j id

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Speaker 2: for six because I think it's shack here we can pass.

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Speaker 2: He's got about twelve hundred points there to catch check.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he can get the thirty thousand. It

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Speaker 2: seems a little bit out of reach. Maybe I guess

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Speaker 2: if he just hangs on for a bit. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: to finish eighth all time by the time his career

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Speaker 2: has done will be a pretty good achievement from Mellow

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Speaker 2: because I mean, but Houston traded for him and then

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Speaker 2: just waved him like they didn't even really try to

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Speaker 2: trade him. Was after that awful game against the Thunder

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Speaker 2: where he just played really badly and the Rocket said

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Speaker 2: just go home, and he was out of league for

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Speaker 2: such a long time. So credit to him for, you know,

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Speaker 2: for being the guy. Because there's that clip as well

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Speaker 2: when he was originally traded to the Thunder where he's

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Speaker 2: like they want me to come off the bench, no

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Speaker 2: way or he's laughing at that suggestion. And now he's

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Speaker 2: found that he can still be productive and still have

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Speaker 2: a role in this league doing that. So you know,

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Speaker 2: as long as he stays healthy, I can see him

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Speaker 2: sort of hanging around for another season or two in

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Speaker 2: the NBA for sure.

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Speaker 1: Final games, Magic top the Pistons one eighteen one to twelve. Molbamba,

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Speaker 1: big note for him. Tobas Harris led the Sixers, passed

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Speaker 1: the balls one or six ninety four like I sat

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Speaker 1: round on derrek Rowz, leading the next to a win

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Speaker 1: over the Grizzlies, and the Jazz cruised past the Spurs

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Speaker 1: one ten eighty nine. The Jazz, now I know when

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Speaker 1: there are yellow jerseys, haven't last in the you know,

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Speaker 1: bright yellow, gold mustard, whatever you want to call them.

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Speaker 1: And they snatched back the number one seed in the

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Speaker 1: West from the Philly from excuse me, the Suns. Philly

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Speaker 1: stays one game up on the nets for the number

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Speaker 1: one seed in the East. And you have the Knicks

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Speaker 1: the shirt of their first winning record here. That's the

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Speaker 1: big news from last night since what twelve thirteen when

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Speaker 1: they went fifty four and twenty eight with some guy

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Speaker 1: named Carmelo Anthony so there you go. But let's take

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Speaker 1: one quick break here here from our sponsors and then

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Speaker 1: we'll get to our guest. All right, let's bring our guests.

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Speaker 1: We've kept him waiting in the back there for a while.

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Speaker 1: Seth Partner covers the NBA and basketball analytics for the Athletic.

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Speaker 1: You can hear him on the Athletic NBA Show podcast,

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Speaker 1: specifically Friday's murder. She wrote, Seth, what is up my man?

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Speaker 10: Seth?

649
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Speaker 1: I believe your mic is muted. We may have done

650
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: that or you there?

651
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 7: That was the strong entrance strong.

652
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Speaker 1: Well, we kept you waiting backstage there for about twenty minutes.

653
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Speaker 10: Sorry.

654
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Speaker 1: We had to talk about that Marvel game for you know,

655
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Speaker 1: a good fifteen What do you think of it?

656
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 7: Watched it with my wife, who was a big Marvel fan,

657
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 7: not so much of a basketball fan, and she had

658
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 7: more actually almost a basketball anti fan. But she had some, uh,

659
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 7: she had some thoughts on it. Just she didn't really

660
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 7: think they picked a lane in terms of who they were.

661
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 7: Were they trying to get basketball fans into Marvel or

662
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 7: trying to get Marvel fans into basketball or was it

663
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 7: for kids? It was kind of in the middle of those. Yeah,

664
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Speaker 7: and and so liked the effort, but it wasn't ultimately

665
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 7: kind of didn't come together quite well.

666
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Speaker 1: So she did she watch all four quarters?

667
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 7: She did, We went through all four four quarters. She

668
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 7: kind of she started to tap around the fourth quarter,

669
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Speaker 7: but she she was a gamer.

670
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Speaker 1: All right, where do you now rank hero points among

671
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Speaker 1: the other catch all stats? M?

672
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, not so good.

673
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Come on, it's actually the hero point guy in the

674
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Speaker 1: first outfide.

675
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 7: I think when I was pointing this out earlier is

676
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 7: it's basically it's a very similar metric to one that

677
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 7: Larry Bird game with came up with, you know, twenty

678
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 7: thirty years ago. And it's not terrible. It's like you

679
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 7: get you get positive points for doing good things and

680
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 7: lose points for doing bad things, and so it gets

681
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 7: you a reasonable estimate about of who is you know,

682
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 7: done well without you know, missing a bunch of shots

683
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 7: or turning them all over. So it's not awful, but.

684
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: Right, it's like Tommy points a little bit, yeah, a

685
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: lot behind used to hand those out. Although the other

686
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: guys that might guess for positive not for negatives as well.

687
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 7: If they could have worked tony points into the game somehow,

688
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 7: just like then, I you know, as you guys were saying, like,

689
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 7: lean into it more, JD was saying, lean into it more.

690
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 7: Just go with the complete ridiculousness, and and and something

691
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 7: like that would have would have maybe added something to it.

692
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Speaker 5: I can't lie.

693
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 6: I was hoping to see hero points on the Basketball

694
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Speaker 6: Reference box score when I fired it up today. You know,

695
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 6: they like to put a joke nickname on or something

696
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 6: like that. I think Joe Johnson still has the Armadillo

697
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 6: Cowboy up. They're gonna easily thrown the hero points there.

698
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

699
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Speaker 6: Next time I play pickup, I'm definitely gonna be subtracting

700
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 6: points for every turnover at this shot. I don't know, skets,

701
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Speaker 6: I might be going negative here. I think if you

702
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Speaker 6: end up with negative hero points, you're actually a super villain.

703
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Bnzo was a super villain. It was close

704
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: first half. You gotta yeah exactly. All right, So we've

705
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Speaker 1: said we had you on because you've got a great

706
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: article up today over at the Athletic. Everybody should go

707
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Speaker 1: subscribe to the Athletic dot com slash no dunks. We

708
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: tell you every damn day, but go subscribe for great

709
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: stuff like articles from Seth and you sort of take

710
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Speaker 1: us through, like the seven craziest stats from what you

711
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Speaker 1: say is basically an extreme season. I think to use

712
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Speaker 1: your words, so we'll tackle these. We've got a few

713
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: other questions too. I want to get your thoughts, like

714
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Speaker 1: maybe on the play in tournament we have a little

715
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Speaker 1: bit time and your player tiers and stuff like that.

716
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Speaker 1: But let's jump right into the seven crazy stats and

717
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Speaker 1: I'll get it. I'll sort of like throw them out

718
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Speaker 1: there and you can explain them to us. So the

719
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Speaker 1: first one, this is like great timing off that you know,

720
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: Wizard's Pacers game, but it's this idea of just this

721
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: insane scoring explosion going on this year. So like sort

722
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Speaker 1: of take us through what you found in your research here.

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Speaker 7: So it's it's not the highest scoring in terms of

724
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 7: total points season ever. Back in the late sixties early seventies,

725
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 7: they were like there's about two hundred and twenty three

726
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 7: points scored a game. Now there was about two twenty

727
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 7: five or so on average, but they were taking you know,

728
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Speaker 7: twenty more shots to do it back in the day.

729
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 7: So this is the most efficient scoring season in the

730
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Speaker 7: NBA history. And it's not because teams are getting the

731
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Speaker 7: free throw line of bunching in freebies that way or

732
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Speaker 7: getting put backs off of offensive rebounds. It's they're making shots.

733
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Speaker 7: Effective field goal percentage, field field three point percentage, free

734
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Speaker 7: throw percentage are all at all time highs in turnover

735
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Speaker 7: rate is the second lowest of all time. So offense

736
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 7: is just really winning the day right now over defense,

737
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Speaker 7: and it's happening at one of the faster paces we've

738
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Speaker 7: seen in you know, the last twenty five thirty years.

739
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Speaker 7: Basically it's one of the fastest paces the league has

740
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 7: been played at since the Piston has decided teams should

741
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Speaker 7: play defense.

742
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Speaker 1: Do you think it has anything at all to do

743
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Speaker 1: with there being no fans and now you know, some

744
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: fans of course into buildings, Like could that help this

745
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: idea of just, you know, the offense, especially I guess

746
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: in road situations still humming along.

747
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Speaker 7: I do. There were some stuff that I looked at

748
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 7: in the bubble last year that has sort of continued

749
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 7: a little bit, I think for whatever reason, like free

750
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 7: throw shooting was a little bit better in the bubble,

751
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 7: and sideline three point shooting was a little bit better.

752
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Speaker 7: So it's maybe interestingly that's not really a home road thing.

753
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Speaker 7: It's like you don't actually shoot better in front of

754
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 7: your own bench or worse in front of the opposition bench.

755
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 7: But I think just having nobody there on either side

756
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 7: can't can't hurt, especially with you know, it's not that

757
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 7: you guys have been on an NBA cord, It's not.

758
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 7: It's not a lot of room there to your feet,

759
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 7: and so if there's no one there, you probably have

760
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 7: just a little bit better off getting your feet together

761
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Speaker 7: and getting that shot up in rhythms.

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Speaker 1: A little more room to breathe over there, Lee, Are

763
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Speaker 1: you better when nobody's around you when you're shooting from

764
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: the corner there or do you like people sort of

765
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: encroaching on you a little bit?

766
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously I don't have the same sort

767
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Speaker 2: of effect behind me as the crowd, but certainly the

768
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: corners are just more comfortable to shoot from. I think

769
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: it just feels you're a bit closer because you are.

770
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: You are closer.

771
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the one thing that I remember

772
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Speaker 2: specifically when we did the three point shit out, you know,

773
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: for a lot of those All Star weekends when we

774
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: went into the super Dome, was it there in New

775
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: Orleans that felt just gigantic because there was so much

776
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: empty space behind you, you know, so going into a

777
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: smaller arena, I guess, like the one in Charlotte we did,

778
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: the last one that was that just felt tighter. I

779
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: just it just felt more comfortable because it just didn't

780
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: feel like you were just trying to, you know, throw

781
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: into an oasis out there. So you know, but I

782
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: do think that, you know, and I don't have the

783
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 2: data to sort of back it up, I guess, but

784
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: I suspect with the Bubble playing in the same court,

785
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: the same arena, you know, guys just get more comfortable

786
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 2: with it. You know, they're not traveling and having to

787
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: sort of get used to a new court or a

788
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: new background of that. So I wonder if that has

789
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: an impact as well. I mean, I suspect it probably does,

790
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: just because you're you know, the court that you shoot

791
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: on the most tends to be the one that you

792
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: shoot the best on.

793
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Speaker 1: I think possibly Seth. While we're talking pickup hoops here,

794
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: didn't you and TK match up in the post in

795
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: like a summer league game or.

796
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Speaker 7: Something like that. I so, unfortunately, if there's like an

797
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 7: odd number of big men in a in a pickup run.

798
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 7: I sometimes get.

799
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Speaker 2: You're the Marcus soul.

800
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, I'm six foot and a half on a

801
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 7: very good day. So but somehow I get you know,

802
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 7: I ended up having to it to guard Tray in

803
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 7: the post.

804
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm a softy.

805
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 11: I'm soft inside.

806
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: Anyways, he wasn't throwing.

807
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: Any bows to get in a position. He's got a

808
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: bit of a well.

809
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 7: I tried to front in the three quarter and it was,

810
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 7: it was, it was. It was a long way around.

811
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 6: One of the good thing is then picked up basketball.

812
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 6: Not a lot of lob entry posts, passes, you know,

813
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 6: not everybody dipping it in there.

814
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 10: But Steth.

815
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 6: I'm a little curious with regards to the pace you're

816
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 6: talking about. We're playing at a super fast pace. I

817
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 6: think Schumann had a stat that that Pacers versus Wizards

818
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 6: game last night was one of the fastest games in

819
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 6: the past twenty five years. There are forty two guys

820
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 6: averaging twenty a game right now. Do you think we

821
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Speaker 6: look back on this era we're in now kind of

822
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Speaker 6: similar to the way that people are looking at you know,

823
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 6: the Oscar robertson Arrow where they're like, yeah, you averaged

824
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 6: a triple double, but look at how many more shots

825
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 6: they took back then, and look at the pace of

826
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Speaker 6: playback then. It kind of feels like we haven't adjusted

827
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Speaker 6: to the fact that players are so much better on

828
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 6: offense right now, and everybody wants to play offense right now.

829
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 7: The players are better, the environment is very pro offense,

830
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 7: and yeah, I think a lot of these like the

831
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Speaker 7: sort of the statistical milestones were used to, Like you know,

832
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 7: I double double doesn't mean maybe what it used to.

833
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 7: Averaging twenty a game doesn't mean what it did previously.

834
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Speaker 7: I don't know if it's this era specifically. I think

835
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 7: this year is on top of some of those trends

836
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 7: you're talking about, has just added something on top of that.

837
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 7: And I'm not sure yet whether you know, as we

838
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 7: get into more normal environment games next year, whether that'll

839
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 7: continue or not. I just don't know. So I think

840
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 7: it won't, but I don't. But this year, certainly, the

841
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 7: numbers are just are are kind of wacky.

842
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: Absolutely do with them. Off of that Wizards Pacers game

843
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: that you said there, TK Schumann actually slid into the DMS.

844
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: He had a trivia question for you guys, and we're

845
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: going to include you here. Seth too. I think this

846
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: is a This is a tough one. So Wizards Pacers

847
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: second fastest paced game in twenty five seasons in which

848
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: we have the play by play data, topped only by

849
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: a Lakers Sons game in seventeen eighteen. Okay, so the

850
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: question is, can you name the guy who played in

851
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 1: both of those games? Wow? And I'll give you a hint.

852
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: He is not the epitome of speed. Okay, I would

853
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: say the opposite. So Lakers Sons seventeen eighteen and then

854
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: of course last night's PACER's Wizards game. One guy played

855
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: in both those games, Lakers Suns. The guy that I'm

856
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: on record not being a fan of when he played

857
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Speaker 1: for my team for a hot minute.

858
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 6: He was Alex len Bingo Len he can move, has

859
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 6: played in two of the fastest paced games of all times.

860
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Speaker 7: I was about Lopez, right, he did.

861
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Play for the Suns. That's true. That's true. There you go. Shoot,

862
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: we slipped it into sahs. Okay, our next one here

863
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: again from your article Seth talking crazy stats, wild stats.

864
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: However you want to call them the blowouts, all right,

865
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: talk to us about the blowouts, because it does feel

866
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: like there's more than we've ever seen and your numbers

867
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: sort of back that up.

868
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, there there have been, and you know, the increase,

869
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 7: the increase in pace of play and three pointers means

870
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 7: I think we're gonna you're gonna see more games that

871
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 7: end up with a wide margin, just because you know,

872
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 7: with the threes, the scoring variants can be higher and

873
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 7: then you don't have to win each possession by as

874
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 7: much to win by twenty if you're playing you know,

875
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 7: ten more possessions a game. So there's that. But the

876
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 7: worrying thing that I've sort of been watching all year

877
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 7: is just how much game time has been played where

878
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 7: the game is non competitive. I think that's a bigger worry.

879
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 7: Like you can have a you could have a good

880
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 7: game that ends up, you know, with a team winning

881
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 7: by twenty. It's you know, it's a five point game

882
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 7: with nine minutes left and then it gets out of hand,

883
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 7: and that's been an enjoyable game for three quarters I

884
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 7: think so far this year. It's it's sort of arbitrary,

885
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 7: but I was I've been looking at the amount of

886
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 7: game time that one team or another has had a

887
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 7: twenty point lead, and it's almost it's almost a ten

888
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 7: percent of the game. Every game this year has has

889
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 7: has been quasi garbage time. Almost one team has a

890
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 7: has A has a twenty point lead. Ben Falk, who

891
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 7: runs Cleaning the Gas, looked this up for me earlier

892
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 7: this year. Normally on his stats he removes garbage time

893
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 7: to kind of you know, get rid of those those

894
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 7: stats for people. And most years it's around he has

895
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 7: to move around three percent of the game or the

896
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 7: court time. This year it was early in the year

897
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 7: at some point it was up around five percent. So

898
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 7: just just a ton more non competitive action. And that's

899
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 7: from a product standpoint, probably not great. Maybe it is

900
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 7: we have.

901
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: To go with Marvel games.

902
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it's probably saved a little by the fact

903
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 7: that there are more games in a given night because

904
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 7: the season is so compressed. So for the league past junkies,

905
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 7: you're not necessarily noticing it as much. I think for

906
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 7: people who are just watching games of one team, it

907
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 7: may be more noticeable in that, you know, just more

908
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 7: of those games are over after two and a half quarters,

909
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 7: which is you know, not awesome, yeah.

910
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or you know, if you're a Raptors fan, you're

911
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: down twenty, but don't worry, you'll make a fake ass comeback.

912
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: To make things up the final couple of minutes.

913
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 6: Exactly, I was going to say, between the Bulls and Raptors,

914
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 6: it's got to be one hundred percent of games have

915
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: a twenty point lead at some point.

916
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 7: So I as a Raptors fan, I have to just

918
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: just say shout out to Freddie Gillespie, who started his

919
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 7: college career at MI alma mater, Carlton College. So oh wow,

920
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 7: A big fan of Freddy.

921
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Oh excellent, that's awesome. All right. Our next one here

922
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: specific about an actual player here now, Blake Griffin and

923
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: what he's sort of done here in Brooklyn since coming

924
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: from Detroit. What what are the numbers? Saands?

925
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 7: Well, for the the more than a year before uh,

926
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 7: and I apologize in advance. First you have to see

927
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 7: this coming. But for a year before he got to Brooklyn,

928
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 7: he had no dunks. Yeah, and and since he since

929
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 7: he's been in Brooklyn's he has eleven. It's it's, you know,

930
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 7: as a percentage of his shots. It's the most he's

931
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 7: dunks since his fourth year in the league. But which

932
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 7: you know, he and people are saying that he he

933
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 7: kind of was taking it easy in Detroit, and I

934
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 7: don't think that's it. I think having you know, six

935
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 7: weeks off helped him, helped him. Probably playing twenty minutes

936
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 7: a game instead of thirty, not having the ball in

937
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 7: his hands all the time has helped him. You know,

938
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 7: you were talking earlier about Carmelo transitioning into a different role.

939
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 7: I think kind of getting bought out and then going

940
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 7: to a really good team has has helped Blake kind

941
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 7: of move into that that next day of his career,

942
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 7: maybe more naturally than he would have if he had

943
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 7: still been kind of the guy making however much money

944
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 7: on on on you know, a less good team.

945
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's probably right. Also within the article,

946
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: correct me I went wrong? Does Blake Griffin lead the

947
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: league in charges?

948
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 5: He does?

949
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 7: It's not right, he's drawn. He's drawn twenty two charges.

950
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 7: He does not legally often in offensive fouls drawn. U

951
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 7: Lou Dort is the dort.

952
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: Drop your dorts in the streams, drop your.

953
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 7: But he is on a per minut basis, he is

954
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 7: I believe fifth in most offensive fouls drawn.

955
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: Wow, Blake Griffin Grinder. Yeah, that one caught me by surprise,

956
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: that little addition there. So, Yeah, but you don't think

957
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: really said that he was like sand Bag, not so much.

958
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 7: I think that he you know, he was three years ago,

959
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 7: he was the All NBA Third Team and and you know,

960
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 7: basically dragged that Pistons team to the playoffs and hurt

961
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 7: his knee late in the year and has never been

962
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 7: physically the same again, and basically was fighting to get

963
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 7: back on the floor for the last two years, and

964
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 7: you know, wasn't really able to until he got to

965
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 7: move into a different role and had some time off.

966
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 7: So I think it's it's just sort of the natural

967
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 7: not having to be you know, the star player has

968
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 7: helped him have a little bit more energy when he

969
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 7: doesn't have to play as many minutes or have as

970
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 7: many responsibilities.

971
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: The next one here, Trey, You're gonna love seth. I

972
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: know you've been following it basically all season long. I've

973
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: seen the tweets coming through, and you've you've slipped it

974
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: into some other previous articles. But it's it's titled Zion Smash,

975
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: So what's going on with this one?

976
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 7: So we only have play by play that's reliable for

977
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 7: shot location going back to nineteen ninety seven. In that time,

978
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 7: Zion is by a massive margin shooting in the restricted

979
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 7: area more frequently than any other player for his career,

980
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 7: he's somewhere. I think he's up around the nineteen attempts

981
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 7: per hundred. The next highest is thirteen and a half

982
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 7: or so as the two highest rim attempt if we

983
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 7: count last season, you know, is his partial rookie season,

984
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 7: he was up over twenty per one hundred. This year

985
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 7: he's down to eighteen and a half, only one of

986
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 7: the one at the time as a player, any player

987
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 7: ever been over sixteen shots in the restricted area per

988
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 7: one hundred, and that was JaVale McGee for the Warriors

989
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 7: when he played about seven hundred minutes. So it's just

990
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 7: just just if you if you put it on like

991
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 7: a like a scattered chart, it's like, you know, everyone

992
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 7: else over here in Zion, way over here. It just

993
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 7: expands the chart by fifty percent.

994
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: What a bit like dw And he's you know, prime

995
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 2: dis Aaron Lent.

996
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 7: He's like, he's you know, there's a bunch of players

997
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 7: right around eleven, twelve, thirteen. Dwight is down there. Shack.

998
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 7: You know, we only have late career Shack. But looking

999
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 7: at you know, if you look at Shack's field goal

1000
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 7: percentage and free throw rate, he's probably taking about the

1001
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 7: same number of rim attempts in his younger days before

1002
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 7: we had played by play. He's right there around you know,

1003
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 7: twelve thirteen yacht that's where Giannis is. It's it's we've

1004
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 7: not seen anything really like this. This lab created to

1005
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 7: get to the rim a bunch in kind of the

1006
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 7: pace and space era.

1007
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: I love it.

1008
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 6: He shoots only layups. It's amazing. But the question for me,

1009
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 6: I've been saying, it's only a matter of time before

1010
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: Zion leads the league in scoring, but he's only taken twos.

1011
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 6: The guys that lead this league in scoring most of

1012
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: the time now Steph Curry, Bradley Beale, James Harden, they're

1013
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 6: obviously making multiple threes a game. Is it possible to

1014
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 6: still lead the league in scoring if you're only taking

1015
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,919
Speaker 6: layups and dunks.

1016
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 7: If you can create layups and dunks at that rate,

1017
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 7: I think it's possible. Sure. I mean, you know, he

1018
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 7: gets a little bit better at finishing, a little bit

1019
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 7: better at free throw shooting, and you know he's a

1020
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 7: he's been a very good, but not elite finisher at

1021
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 7: the rim. If just a little bit of improvement in

1022
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 7: all those areas, and you know, if the bar in

1023
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 7: this area is averaging thirty two a game, that might

1024
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 7: be tough. If if that's a lot of yeah, he

1025
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 7: gets like twenty eight, twenty nine, I could I could

1026
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 7: see that.

1027
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's something that Trey and I were talking

1028
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: about before. I'm doubtful that someone could do it in

1029
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: today's game, as we've talked about, you know, with the

1030
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: scoring explosion and the three point percentages and all that,

1031
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: to do it without that, But then again, like who's

1032
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: to say he also doesn't add that to his game

1033
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know a little bit. I'm not

1034
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: saying he's just enough, Yeah, just enough to maybe help

1035
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: his chances of getting over a thirty per game. So well,

1036
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: something to watch. But yeah, it's pretty cool. Like you said,

1037
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: the when you see the graph of just where he is.

1038
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 10: Now.

1039
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Here's the follow up question to that, is he sort

1040
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: of underrated oddly? Like you're saying he's doing historic things here.

1041
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Of course he's a huge name, but maybe it's because

1042
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the Pelicans are sort of disappointing. I don't know what

1043
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: it is. I feel like this is being overlooked a

1044
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: little bit.

1045
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 7: I think so too, And he gets like there's a

1046
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 7: weird sort of thing where well all he does is

1047
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 7: dunk or and and and shoot lamps, Like, well, yeah,

1048
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 7: but those are the best shots in basketball, and no

1049
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 7: one else, no one else can get there as well

1050
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 7: as he does. Like ever, so Wilt was maybe you know,

1051
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 7: we don't have that, we don't have stats for it

1052
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 7: for those days. But that's the only thing that I

1053
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 7: can really probably compare it to someone who's just like

1054
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 7: that athletically superior to everyone else on the NBA court

1055
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 7: that they just you know, I'm going to jump in

1056
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 7: the air and shoot this and you can't do anything. Yeah,

1057
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 7: you know, for as great athletes as we have, just

1058
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 7: the combination of size, speed, strength and body control is

1059
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 7: completely unique.

1060
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: Did you see leleig the clip going around Twitter the

1061
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: other day? Maybe it was yesterday, even someone had like

1062
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: old footage Wilt Chamberlain. It basically was like, yeah, did

1063
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: you see this? Yeah, it was like they basically like

1064
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: a herbal boost that Will Chamberlain had, And there's like

1065
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: three clips that they've you know, edited together where it's

1066
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: like in transition and it is amazing. It almost looks

1067
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: like this is fake, right, Like he just like turbo

1068
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: boosts like stuff. But then again, he was like a

1069
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: track and field like star, so it's like, yeah, he's

1070
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: going to be faster, but it's just also he's seven

1071
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: feet tall, and so his like first step is like,

1072
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, you sain Bolt, Like, I guess it just

1073
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: looks incredible. So you saw it too.

1074
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you can find Bill Russell was similar. You

1075
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 7: can find some clips like yeah, just being faster than

1076
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 7: everybody else.

1077
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: Despite being the tallest guy out there significantly. Yeah crazy.

1078
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: All right, a couple more here. You know, this goes

1079
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: back to what you were sort of saying there tk

1080
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: the stat inflation and sort of how we sort of

1081
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: even try and wrap our head around some of these

1082
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: numbers that guys like Westbrook and many others are putting

1083
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: up this year.

1084
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is depending on how you, you know, you

1085
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 7: count who qualifies. I think as of Sunday night, there

1086
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 7: were thirty nine guys averaging averaging twenty, but it's been

1087
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 7: bounced between you know, the high thirties and low forties

1088
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 7: all season, easily the most in NBA history, so averaging

1089
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 7: twenty probably doesn't mean nearly as much. I remember before

1090
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 7: the before the All Star Game, Dan Feldman of NBC

1091
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 7: wrote an article where he was basically found like seventy

1092
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 7: three different like statistical things that nobody who's ever done

1093
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 7: this has not made the All Star Game.

1094
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Right, I remember that thing, but I brought that up

1095
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: on the show. I got laughed off the podcast here,

1096
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: I remember a tea can come on, get out you are,

1097
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's exactly right. There were all these crazy statistics,

1098
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: but that you would usually be an All Star.

1099
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 7: For it, right, And we've also there's been more more

1100
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 7: players have scored forty at least once this season than

1101
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 7: any other season in history, and like it's you know,

1102
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 7: it's scoring forty is great, but does it like it now?

1103
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 7: It's like you got to get to fifty to impress

1104
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 7: me almost or at least forty five, but forty five

1105
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 7: isn't a round number, so it doesn't work as well.

1106
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tass said it today on What You Need to Know.

1107
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 6: He's like, I think Lillard had thirty three last night.

1108
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 6: Thirty three, like twenty years ago would have been the

1109
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 6: lead story and now it's just like, Okay, that's like

1110
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 6: an eighteen point game, So what is the analogy here?

1111
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 6: Like twenty points? Now, you think that's like a twenty

1112
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 6: five point per game score or the other way around.

1113
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 6: Twenty five is the new twenty I don't know what

1114
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 6: it is?

1115
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: How do we how do we account for this?

1116
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 7: I would you know, you get again round numbers are easier,

1117
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 7: but you get have to like guys get in like

1118
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 7: the twenty three is range or probably about the you know,

1119
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 7: the Terrier's years averaging just over twenty this year. Ten

1120
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 7: years ago, he would have been tenth in the league

1121
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 7: in scoring. Now he's thirty.

1122
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 12: Something, right, So that's I think that, you know again,

1123
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 12: so the guy like he's basically having a season like

1124
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 12: a guy, you know, a good solid starting two guard.

1125
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 7: He is giving you about seventeen a night. You know.

1126
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 7: That's that's about what Terrier is. Yours twenty means right right?

1127
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 10: Right?

1128
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Lee? Are you happy with going with like sort of

1129
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: the bench twenty three points per game? You want to

1130
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: go to twenty five? How do you feel about this

1131
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: or do about twenty?

1132
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean twenty was always the like if you're in

1133
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: the twenty point club, you're a legit scorer. That's what

1134
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: it always felt like. But yeah, you're right now you

1135
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: look at the sort of leaders in scoring and you're

1136
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 2: going down way down the page and seeing guys registering

1137
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: twenty a game, So we probably do need to bump

1138
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: it up. And if we're going to do it, I

1139
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 2: think up to twenty five it just seems that natural

1140
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: sort of mark that's like, okay, now twenty five is legit,

1141
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: but seth One thing actually we've sort of talked about

1142
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: is Russell Westbrook is going to average a triple double

1143
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: this season. Do you think he makes All NBA thirteen

1144
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: or any All NBA team or is this going to

1145
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: be a guy who has a statistically incredible record in

1146
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: season and there's no actual award for him or even

1147
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: accolade when the season's all done.

1148
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 7: That's that's a really good question. I haven't I a

1149
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 7: haven't really thought about the guard spots so much in

1150
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 7: all NBA yet, And because the Wizards have have frankly

1151
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 7: kind of snuck up over this last month or so

1152
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 7: that he wasn't really in the in the conversation, and

1153
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 7: now I agree with you that he kind of has

1154
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 7: to be. But there's a like a lot of guards

1155
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 7: that are are you know, what do we do with

1156
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 7: what do we do with Chris Paul this year? What

1157
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 7: do we do with Luca with you know, when he's

1158
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 7: been on the court. James Harden has been absolutely spectacular

1159
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 7: this year and we haven't even talked about you know,

1160
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 7: Dame and Steph.

1161
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, even with his own teaming Washington, there Bill

1162
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 2: was the old state the league and scoring.

1163
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 7: I mean, and you know, the Sons have been the

1164
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 7: one of the best teams in the league all year

1165
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 7: and they they're they they're back court. Both players have

1166
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 7: been been really good this year. So what do we

1167
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 7: what do we do with that? I mean, the Wizards

1168
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 7: have been you know, again the last month have been great,

1169
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 7: but you look over the season and Phoenix has just

1170
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 7: been really really good all season and kind of want

1171
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 7: to reward that over happened happening to have kind of

1172
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 7: the hot month right fresh in mind, Yeah.

1173
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: Said like a real stats guy Herefore, don't get caught

1174
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: up in the recess. But losers, I'm here to remove

1175
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: all fun So right, No, it's gonna be tough. I

1176
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: actually don't think he's gonna make it, which is uh Westbrook,

1177
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: that is to an All NBA team because you're said,

1178
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: like you know what he even said, like you know,

1179
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell, I think is gonna warrant some consideration. Of course,

1180
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: with the success of his team. I know he's out now.

1181
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: That sucks too, with all the injuries to some of

1182
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: these Kyrie Irving, I mean, has to be in my opinion,

1183
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: has to be on one of these teams. But yeah,

1184
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: at some point you start running out of spots for

1185
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: all these guys' spots.

1186
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 7: Getting twelve guys.

1187
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 6: We're still waiting for Skeets to go ten deep on

1188
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 6: his All NBA team. I know he's waiting until the

1189
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 6: end of the season for the to finally unveil the list,

1190
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 6: But this is the year where there's gonna be a

1191
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 6: lot of snubs, a lot of All NBA snubs.

1192
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought it was impressive when Dan Feldman was

1193
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: dropping seventy three potential All Star Are you waiting to

1194
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: see what I do with the All NBA Team? Have

1195
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 1: no idea?

1196
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 7: Hold on to your butts to the All NBA Team.

1197
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: Two more here back to Brooklyn here. I love this

1198
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: one because it's gotten overlooked little bit, probably because hasn't

1199
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: played a ton here recently. But Kevin Durant and how

1200
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: he still has it coming off an injury seth.

1201
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 7: It's he's having his best shooting season of his career.

1202
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 7: And I just just say that, you know, even and

1203
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 7: even adjusting for kind of the the kind of the

1204
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 7: pro offense environment we're in, he's having his his either

1205
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 7: best or second best shooting season of his career at

1206
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 7: age thirty two, having not played in the year coming

1207
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 7: off basically the most debilitating injury a basketball player can have.

1208
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 7: I just I, what what do you do with that?

1209
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1210
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, at thirty two, that is it's pretty wild. The

1211
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: overall efficiency and field goal percentage by a sizable margin.

1212
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: You said, yeah, it's.

1213
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 7: By twenty some points. He's been more efficient than he

1214
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 7: has any season in his career.

1215
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: Are you concerned at all about the nets not having

1216
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: played many games together? They're three guys moving forward in

1217
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs. This whole idea of like you got to

1218
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: get some chemistry built within a regular season, and you

1219
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: can't just say, oh, well, you've got all these talented guys,

1220
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: all right, it's okay, playoff time, let's go win a

1221
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: bunch of series. Or can they.

1222
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 7: I on one hand, you are concerned because they haven't

1223
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 7: had that. The other, on the other hand, like the

1224
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 7: games they did play together, it was pretty seamless like

1225
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 7: they I you know, I really kind of enjoyed the

1226
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 7: way they had they'd played those I mean, it seemed

1227
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 7: they naturally kind of slipped into roles of Kyrie kind

1228
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 7: of playing a you know, a two guard scorer role,

1229
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 7: KD kind of floating around getting his shots whenever you

1230
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 7: wanted to, and Harden really playing almost a traditional point

1231
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 7: guard role for three quarters of a game. And then

1232
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 7: I forget who they played earlier this year, but there's

1233
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 7: one game where they that he basically didn't look to

1234
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 7: shoot for three quarters, and then with nine minutes left

1235
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 7: he was like, okay, my time and played about the

1236
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 7: best six minutes I saw anybody play all year in

1237
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 7: the fourth quarter because he had the energy to do so,

1238
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 7: because he had just been you know, setting everybody up

1239
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 7: for three quarters.

1240
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's not looking good for me. And one

1241
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: hundred dollars bet with test Nelson is basically what you're

1242
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: getting out here, all right, at our final one here,

1243
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: and we can like sort of spin this into a

1244
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: little MVP conversation if we want to, but Steph shooting

1245
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: and just sort of what he's doing here now, he's

1246
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: likely not going to win MVP. Who knows where he

1247
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: even finishes, maybe top five, maybe top three, but you know,

1248
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: still doing some pretty impressive stuff. Of course in terms

1249
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: of shooting the basketball.

1250
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 7: Yes, as we are joined by my four year old

1251
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 7: in the background. Oh excellent, Yeah, no, it's it's it's incredible.

1252
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 7: We've as players like Harden and Dame have gotten to,

1253
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 7: you know, take the Luca, Trey Young, I've gotten to

1254
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 7: take the and do whatever they want on offense. Over

1255
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 7: the last couple of years, we've kind of wondered what

1256
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 7: it would look like if Steph got to do that,

1257
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 7: and we're getting to see it now and it's pretty awesome.

1258
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 7: Right now, he is uh breaking, shattering almost his own

1259
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 7: record of three pointers per game. He's up just on

1260
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 7: I think he I think he's fractionally away from being

1261
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 7: at five point three. The old record is five point one.

1262
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 7: If he goes really crazy over the end of the season,

1263
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 7: he'll finish with the third most made threes of all

1264
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 7: time in a season, and he's kind of a shoe.

1265
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: And to have finished with the fourth most, he needs

1266
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 7: to average I think like seven and a half a

1267
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 7: game over the last part of the season to finish third,

1268
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 7: And you know normally say he couldn't, but you know,

1269
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 7: he's had I think sixteen games this year where he's

1270
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 7: hit at least seven threes, so it could happen, especially

1271
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 7: with Golden State, you know, kind of needing these games

1272
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 7: they need, they need, you know, these games in every

1273
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 7: shot he's get it giving them.

1274
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: Have you sat down and really sort of crunched the

1275
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: numbers when it comes to any of the awards, you know,

1276
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: be it m v P and where Steph falls in

1277
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: that or any of the other ones or is that

1278
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: an article for a later day here?

1279
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 12: Still m VP is is Jokic just put that one

1280
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 12: to bed?

1281
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 7: It's it. Where where Steph is going to be? You know, second, third, fifth,

1282
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 7: somebody's he's had I a ballot, he would be on there.

1283
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 7: I just don't. I'm not sure where because again with

1284
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 7: all the injuries to so many of the you know,

1285
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 7: before he went down with this injury, I probably would

1286
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 7: have had hardened number one. But you know, with with

1287
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 7: the just the consistency that has done this, playing every

1288
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 7: game he's he's just been by far the most valuable

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Speaker 7: player over the course of the season. Even if at

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Speaker 7: a given game Steph might hit or Joel Embiid might

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Speaker 7: hit you know, a better height, but the consistency of

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Speaker 7: excellence for for Jokic is and I almost think we

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Speaker 7: haven't talked enough about it, especially how good he's been

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Speaker 7: since Jamal Murray went out.

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Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, do you think you will be bumping Yokic

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Speaker 1: up in your player tiers if you are to do

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Speaker 1: these again before the start of next season, because I

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Speaker 1: have it here in front of me. You had in

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Speaker 1: Tier one A was Jannis hardened Kwi and Lebron and

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Speaker 1: then one B was Durant and Steph Curry. So obviously

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Speaker 1: no Jokic in the one category in the tier. Do

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Speaker 1: you see you know looking ahead that yo kich will

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Speaker 1: be very easily in that or will he still be

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Speaker 1: a I guess A two A guy playoffs?

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Speaker 10: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I mean that the tiers are, you know, looking at

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Speaker 7: how much this guy helps you towards winning a championship,

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Speaker 7: So I like they are weighted somewhat heavily towards playoff performance.

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Speaker 7: So I don't expect Denver to get to the Western

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Speaker 7: Conference finals again. I mean, if they if Murray had

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Speaker 7: been healthy, they I would have picked them to win

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Speaker 7: the title going into the playoffs. Without that, you can't

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Speaker 7: say that. But if he plays as well as he

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Speaker 7: did in the playoffs in the bubble, he'll he'll probably

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Speaker 7: jump up into into Tier one for me.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 6: Is there anybody else that you could see maybe not

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Speaker 6: moving up to Tier one, but a player that you

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Speaker 6: had low coming into the season that's kind of surprised

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Speaker 6: you and might be moving up for next year.

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Speaker 7: There are a few, I mean, obviously, Julius Randall is

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Speaker 7: a guy who didn't even make the list last year

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Speaker 7: and is somewhat higher than that next year. He's got

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Speaker 7: a Brownie Julius Randall's one. Mike Conley is a guy

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Speaker 7: who I kind of was worried was kind of heading

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Speaker 7: towards that part of his career, and he's he's certainly

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Speaker 7: bounced back Kyrie and Russ. Probably I might have been

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Speaker 7: a little low on Zion. I was pretty aggressive on

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Speaker 7: on where I had him last year Sea I had him.

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Speaker 7: I had him at the top of Tier three. Get

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Speaker 7: into Tier two. You're starting to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 7: a top fifteen to twenty player in their league, especially

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Speaker 7: since they're probably not making the playoffs this year. That's

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Speaker 7: that's gonna be a tough one, right, And the other

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Speaker 7: guy with a big chance to really, like, you know,

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Speaker 7: take his way into the top tier is MB with

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Speaker 7: a with a you know, with a big playoff run.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Well we'll let you go here, Seth, you got

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01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: you got brownies to maybe consume over there. I'm quite jealous.

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough thought for coming out. What's

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Speaker 1: the easiest way for people to, uh to follow your work?

1342
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Speaker 1: What's what's the Twitter handle?

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Speaker 7: The Twitter is at Seth Partner and read me on

1344
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 7: the Athletic, uh, the NBA vertical and and thanks for

1345
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 7: having me. I was I was saying when I was

1346
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 7: muted earlier that I've been a fan of you guys

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01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 7: since back in the Basketball Jones days. So it's a

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 7: it's a it's a kind of thrilled to get to

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 7: come on.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, we're excited to have you on. I love

1351
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: this like angle that you did with the article again

1352
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: like the seven craziest, wildest, weirdest stats from the twenty

1353
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one regular season. Go check it out. Subscribe

1354
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: to The Athletic, Theathletic dot com, slash no dunks and

1355
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: then search for sess work. It's every article you write,

1356
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: you're learning something. I'm like, well, wow, didn't know that,

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01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: So I really appreciate it. Seth, enjoy the brownies and

1358
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you maybe in the playoffs.

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 7: Man, thanks for having me.

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to tweet of the night.

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Speaker 7: Tweet out the night.

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Speaker 9: Wow, twitt, Well, we got a super super late entry

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Speaker 9: to tweet the night.

1364
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 8: I had something all lined up. It was a hilarious

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01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 8: st from Jimmy Butler. But we gotta go with this

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01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 8: because it's very topical, and thanks to Ibrahim XI who

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01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 8: sent it in. And it's this tweet from Zach Kram

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Speaker 8: and it's this season's leaders in hero points as defined

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Speaker 8: by the Marvel broadcast. So this is the top five.

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Speaker 8: Top number five is Luca with two and eighty one,

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Speaker 8: Randall at number four with twenty one hundred and one,

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Speaker 8: Jannis with twenty one forty four, Gobar Wow with two

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01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 8: one hundred and forty six. But number one by over

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 8: six hundred points is Yokich and he says, look at

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 8: the size of that lead. Give Jokic the MVP and

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01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 8: a room in the rebuilt Avengers mansion. And I have

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01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 8: to agree.

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01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean Spoilerlebbler, why is it a rebuilt Avengers mansion?

1379
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: What happened to the first one?

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01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 8: Jesus, well, that movie is over two years old. Also,

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 8: you know there's no excuse there. But uh, yeah, I

1382
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 8: thought that was great. And do you want to you

1383
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,919
Speaker 8: want to see the the Butler saw?

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 10: Yeah? Why not?

1385
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 7: Sure?

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 8: Sure, it's pretty. It's between him and a reporter after

1387
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 8: the game. It looks postgame tst sent it to me.

1388
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 8: I'll be honest, but it's great and it's uh, it's

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 8: perfect to Jimmy Butler and the reporter I believe, while

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01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 8: Task believes is Ira Winderman. So here it is.

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Speaker 6: Are you aware of sort of how tough the schedule

1392
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 6: is down the close with two against Boston, one against Philly,

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 6: one against Milwaukee I mean, and one against Dallas?

1394
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean?

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 7: Does it almost feel maybe a little bit like pre playoffs?

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01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 7: That's tough for you. I don't know. I'm just saying

1397
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,439
Speaker 7: the challenges. Maybe if you're sorry on our team, it'd

1398
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 7: be tough.

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01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,959
Speaker 9: But I think.

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Speaker 7: My sorry, thanks you, thanks, Jimmy Love.

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01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:52,200
Speaker 6: That's good, all right, Jimmy, Yeah, that's Jimmy and Jimmy.

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01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: He's got cool. Look though, that's awesome. On two three four,

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: all the flow was that fantastic voy Actually that's the

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01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 1: other one.

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01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: He references fantastic void, say the fantastic voyage. But I'm

1406
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 2: still on a mission to see if I can get

1407
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 2: your attention.

1408
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 7: Now.

1409
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 2: I want to drop some information. Just live a lot

1410
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: of tipsy education.

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 13: I lived my life by the case of the hundred

1412
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 13: l A t's in the trump. If you gotta bed

1413
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 13: and get it down with me, double see double o

1414
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 13: l I oh with the flow. I'm looking for a

1415
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 13: punny so let her brother know one two streets like

1416
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 13: a VC. If you'll puffed in rhyme out, pay I

1417
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 13: wrap for free slide slide. But that's the past.

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Speaker 1: Got something brand new for that, Yeah, sweet, Okay, let's

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01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: get to pick up results. Last night's game was the

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Speaker 1: Nuggets Lakers, and the Nuggets were favored by two and

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: a half. We thought Lebron was gonna play, so that

1422
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: had a lot of us believing in the Lakers. He

1423
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 1: didn't play, but they still covered. They got the win.

1424
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 1: That's a money line hit. So uh, nice win for

1425
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: task Trey and myself. For this very short month of

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 1: May here in the Pickham which is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Bett MGM. We've decided loser last place, given one

1428
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars to charity. All right, that's what's going on

1429
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: with this one. We're keeping her mad simple. So Lee,

1430
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: right now, you are bringing up the rear because you're

1431
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: only one because he had Denver. But tonight's game Brooklyn Milwaukee.

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's run it back. Buck's favored by one

1433
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: and a half at home Ley. How about it?

1434
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 10: First?

1435
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go?

1436
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant? I tried to do a sort of Lebron James,

1437
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: but Kevin Durant Lebron James.

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant the nets? Okay, you're taking the nets just

1439
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: like that.

1440
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't back against Kevin Durant. And this is

1441
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 2: actually could be potentially a big one as far as

1442
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: who gets home court advantage for when these two teams

1443
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: potentially face each other in that second round. Yeah, so

1444
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: I think that it's a t and TA game as well.

1445
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: So I think everyone who's healthy is going to play.

1446
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 2: I think the nets one revenge Kevin Durant.

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 1: All right, he doesn't work on that. Yeah, you need

1448
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: to work on that. Uh TK, where are you going?

1449
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 10: Tough?

1450
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 5: To beat the same team twice in a row.

1451
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 6: So close. You know the Nets are coming in having

1452
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 6: lost the couple, so gimmesh.

1453
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,320
Speaker 1: All right, so you're taking the Nets.

1454
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll go Nets.

1455
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 1: All right, let's find out who toast this TV.

1456
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, I forget, but I will tell you he's taken

1457
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 8: the Nats.

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01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I don't mind this swerve at all. I

1459
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 1: don't mind. Oh man, I love Drew Holiday. The way

1460
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: you played Kyrie in the last game. Will the Nets

1461
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: continue to try and play honest that way? That's something

1462
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: to watch night. Just the Hey, go ahead and shoot it. Man,

1463
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: we're not running a double at you. Go ahead, try

1464
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: and get your forty. I'll be fascinating to see. Give

1465
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: me the bucks. Give the bucks to uh, probably shock

1466
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: some people.

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01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: People would be taking Brooklyn in. This one has a

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: little bit of a revenge factor there. But I'll make

1470
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: Milwaukee to win by two or more. I'll swerve on

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: this one, all right. Thank you so much to Seth

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01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 1: part Now for joining us here on today's show. That

1473
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun going through some of the

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: craziest stats. Again, go check out his article that accompanies

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Speaker 1: this podcast. The Athletic dot com slash No Dunks to

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Speaker 1: dunks dot com. Fun stuff, guys. JD loved hearing your

1485
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Speaker 1: thoughts on that Marvel game. I wish there was a

1486
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: Marvel game on every night in the NBA now because

1487
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: you rally brought it today.

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01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 8: Me too, I'd love that.

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well hey maybe we'll talk about this

1490
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: Star Wars baseball game on tomorrow's podcast. You it out

1491
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: all right, Clipper bros. You heard it here first.

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Speaker 8: Have a great time.

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Speaker 5: Turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.

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01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 6: And remember Bone Thugs and Harmony never made it for

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01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 6: as Australia, but Julia obviously dead.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you when you get there.

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Speaker 7: You could stay.

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Speaker 1: Every day.

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Speaker 7: My dad. You're happy every minute. It's been so long,

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01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 7: but your no mona wait for It's happened already.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be Grevy