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Speaker 1: with Nick Wright. He'll join us in about five to

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Speaker 1: six minutes. I was thinking about this. With the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: Bucks poised to win their first NBA championship since the

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Speaker 1: early seventies, you know you could argue Jannis is the

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Speaker 1: perfect antidote to this era of NBA egos, analytics and

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Speaker 1: small ball Lebron about the movies, about the brand, about mobility.

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Speaker 1: Jannis is not manipulative. This is why the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 1: are important. We've had a run now of superstars collectively

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Speaker 1: joining already good teams. Milwaukee is saying no, you can

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Speaker 1: do it this way too. Build through the draft, smartly, develop,

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Speaker 1: and then add nice pieces. Drew Holiday, PJ. Tucker not

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Speaker 1: dominating players. PJ. Tucker doesn't have to score to be good.

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Speaker 1: The NBA is star driven, but local television ratings indicate

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Speaker 1: that fans would prefer teams to be built authentically and

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Speaker 1: home grown. If you look at the Brooklyn Nets and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers ratings, yes, the Lakers this year bottom ten

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Speaker 1: percent of the league. The higher ratings are the Warriors

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Speaker 1: Steph Draymond Green, they draft James Wiseman, the Utah Jazz,

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Speaker 1: the San Antonio Spurs do very well. Listen. The other

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Speaker 1: thing I like about the Bucks sports is very simple, Actually,

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Speaker 1: can I make your guys less comfortable? The Milwaukee bas

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Speaker 1: have simply made the Phoenix Suns more uncomfortable than the

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Speaker 1: Sons have made the Milwaukee Bucks. You know, we all

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Speaker 1: talk about analytics the last two years. Think about this.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers were not a good three point shooting team.

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Speaker 1: They were big at times, plotting and physical. They won

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Speaker 1: the title. The Milwaukee Bucks they're not a terrible three

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Speaker 1: point shooting team. But in a world of three point shooters,

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Speaker 1: they have one one great elite shooter, Chris Middleton. It's

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Speaker 1: Brook Lopez, b J. Tucker, the inconsistent offensive player, Drew Holiday.

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Speaker 1: The reality is whatever you do, do it well. It's

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Speaker 1: like the Baltimore ravens Lamar Jackson's winning percentage is higher

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Speaker 1: than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady through his first thirty games.

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Speaker 1: What the Ravens do. They do exceedingly well, and that's Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: We get so caught up on analytics. Yes, when Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Durants and Clay were together, they were analytically superior and

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Speaker 1: physically superior. But those are three of the top five

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Speaker 1: shooters in the league who can duplicate that Milwaukee can't

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Speaker 1: and has never tried to. Milwaukee is actually, despite not

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Speaker 1: being a boon to the ratings, important to the league.

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Speaker 1: They draft and they develop, their star stayed, their star

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Speaker 1: became an MVP. Took them a while, but the minute

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Speaker 1: we dismissed them, they're on the cusp of winning a championship.

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Speaker 1: They add nice veteran pieces, the kind of pieces any

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Speaker 1: market could add. Utah could add a PJ. Tucker, Portland

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Speaker 1: could add a Drew Holiday, Memphis could add either. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note in the moment, maybe

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Speaker 1: the ratings don't indicate this is great for the league,

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Speaker 1: but if you really deep dive on what local fans

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Speaker 1: want from their pro basketball franchise, they like watching them

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Speaker 1: in college, drafting them, developing them, and then adding occasional pieces.

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Speaker 1: I feel more emotionally close to their team It's nothing

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Speaker 1: against Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and James Harden, but it's

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Speaker 1: more of a remote experience. It doesn't feel like they're

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Speaker 1: your players. They're rentals. Kawhi Leonard in Toronto is a

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Speaker 1: one year rental. So I think there's value in what

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee is doing big picture. They did it contrarian to

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Speaker 1: the current hot league model. And again I tell my

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Speaker 1: kids this all the time. I don't care what you

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Speaker 1: major at in college. Just whatever you do do well,

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Speaker 1: you'll be fine in life. It doesn't matter if you're

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Speaker 1: It's a good life. That's what the Bucks do think about.

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Speaker 1: The last three years in the NBA, Kawhi Leonard won

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Speaker 1: a championship in Canada. He's a great mid rain shooter.

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Speaker 1: Last year the Lakers, not a great three point shooting team,

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Speaker 1: one thing if you have great shooters, but don't try

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Speaker 1: to manufacture something you don't have. Milwaukee just leaned in

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Speaker 1: they're unbeatable when he plays well because Jannis there's seven

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Speaker 1: he is their third guy. And when you have a

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Speaker 1: Jannis who's going to leave these playoffs, whether people want

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Speaker 1: Best player in the league. He will have earned it.

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Speaker 1: If at twenty four years old, your league MVP, at

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Speaker 1: Game five was an unbelievable game, and I know we'll

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Speaker 1: sometimes the NBA Playoffs like their single elimination. After Phoenix

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Speaker 1: They might not win another Finals game for seven years.

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Speaker 1: And so I am like everyone. What Milwaukee always had

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee is playing with massive confidence. And I do think

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Speaker 1: And this is just five and six years of a

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Speaker 1: He has pushed DeAndre Eton around the floor. He is

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Speaker 1: so I don't think fans understand this. When Yannis spins

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Speaker 1: getting PJ Tucker. PJ. Tucker doesn't really have a tangible

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Speaker 1: this has to work. We're not going to find another Yannis. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: of ten human beings in the world whose knee does

424
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Speaker 1: not tear all its ligaments on that fall from two

425
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Speaker 1: weeks ago. Like they got through all that, and they

426
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: were on the precipice of this year being a massive

427
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: what if and Yannis being out all of next season.

428
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: Instead they're gonna win the title. Like it's so insane,

429
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: How close, how many different forts in the roads this

430
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: could have gone down? Think about how great of a

431
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Speaker 1: coach Andy Reid is, how gifted Tyreek Hill, Patrick Mahomes,

432
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Kansas City. They've been in two Super Bowls,

433
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: one they trailed in the fourth and buy a lot

434
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: and then and they could be oh and two. Sports

435
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: is more arbitrary than we think. There are the occasional

436
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: team Shack and Kobe. Two of those championships, they were

437
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: significantly better than the league. In fact, I covered the

438
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: Portland Lakers series. Portland was the second best team and

439
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: had a really interesting Rashid Wallace matchup that Lakers really

440
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: struggled with. And but they were better the Kevin Durant

441
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: Warrior's team. The first one was significantly better than the league.

442
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: The league had to play catch up. But if you

443
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at the Patriots dynasty,

444
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: They've never scored a touchdown in the first quarter of

445
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: any of these games. They don't have the ability, the

446
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: tyson ability to knock you out in the first round.

447
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: It's more Larry Holmes. They jabbed, they feel they jabbed.

448
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: They find their spots. They've trailed in many of them

449
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Late Seattle, Atlanta, and that's the longest dynasty in NFL history.

450
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: All of their games have been decided by a field

451
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: goal except the Rams super bowled. Right. It's incredibly rare,

452
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: especially in the NBA, that you go through a season

453
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, yeah, there was no chance someone

454
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Speaker 1: else was winning. You said two of the three shot

455
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: Kobe years. I would argue really only one of the

456
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Speaker 1: three the year they went fifteen and one of the playoffs,

457
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: because the first championship Portland took him seven and was

458
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: up fifteen and the fourth remember that. And then the

459
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: third championship, Sacramento took him seven and it went to

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Speaker 1: overtime in game seven page airball chance to win the

461
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: whole thing. That was the one that was the series.

462
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Sacramento could have gone up three one the Robert or tip,

463
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: the tip out from Robert Uri that ended up, you know,

464
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: saving that game. So those you mentioned how dominant Katie

465
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: steph those Warriors were their second title. They're down three

466
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: two to Houston and Bruce Paul gets hurt. So it

467
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: is rare that somebody just rampages through everything. Which is

468
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: why and this is about you know, Brady or Lebron,

469
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: the true greats. It's why you the best way to

470
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: ensure you win a lot is just keep getting there,

471
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: because sometimes bad luck's gonna happen, you know what I mean,

472
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes things are gonna go against you. But like this year,

473
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Speaker 1: the good the Lakers have won the title of no

474
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: one got hurt. Yeah maybe like but they people got hurt,

475
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: But you got to keep getting there. Brady got unlucky

476
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: the helmet catch here. I ain't got unlucky a little bit.

477
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: The other giant Super Bowl year got crazy lucky Seattle,

478
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: Seattle super Bowl and Atlanta Atlanta just take damn knees

479
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: and you win that one. So like, but so it's like, okay,

480
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: we're two for two in the luck category and so

481
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: on as far as in the super Bowl. And so

482
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: it's just it's wild to me when I think about Milwaukee,

483
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: how many times they looked dead and now they're in

484
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 1: this position. And I do you mentioned Janie's quote about

485
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: ego and pride. And dude's twenty six years old and

486
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: by the way, no formal education, right, Like he's just

487
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: learning on the fly. I mean he didn't go to

488
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: college obviously, he came to the States playing basketball. He's

489
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: just learning by living. He also had the if you remember,

490
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Speaker 1: before the playoffs started, he was asked to be honest,

491
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: how can you guarantee that this year won't end the

492
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: way last year and the year before? Dud he and

493
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: he just said he almost looked incredulous. He goes, oh,

494
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't know how it's gonna end. I

495
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I just try not to get too high,

496
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: not to get too low this year. Stay in the moment.

497
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: He has seemed to become so wise beyond his years

498
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: and so legitimately almost no ulterior motives, like truly earnest

499
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: in the moment, and I think it's helped him. I

500
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: think it's helped him tremendously as he's been seeing Durant

501
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: go for fifty and deal with this and almost get

502
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: hurt and all of it. And I think it's one

503
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: of the reasons they're in this position. Well. And it's

504
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: interesting you talk about Jannis's background. I think you find

505
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: a lot of players that come into the States from overseas,

506
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: there's a a gratefulness and a humility that they feel like, hey,

507
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: initially I'm a visitor to this league. They tend to

508
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: be a bit more loyal. And that's not to say

509
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: NBA domestic players aren't grateful, but there is a certain spirit,

510
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a certain spirit about Jannis that he's

511
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: incredibly grateful and humble for this incredible life altering opportunity.

512
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: And it's not Dirk Navitski shared many of these same

513
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: qualities that it's in almost egoless basketball. And by the way,

514
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just I know people bring up

515
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, you know, like the international versus domestic,

516
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: but you know, so lucas international guy. He has all

517
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: the ego in the world. It is kind of a jerk.

518
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: But why well, part of it's probably just who he is,

519
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: but it's also he was a superstar at sixteen. You

520
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: and I've talked about this, the child star thing. No

521
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: human being is built to deal with it. It almost

522
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: always goes poorly, at least for a time. And you

523
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: got it. Jannest his story is so unique because he

524
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: was he was this gawky you could see some tools.

525
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: But again, I mean, I'm gonna pull it up now

526
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: because I find it so I don't think I've done

527
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: this with you, and I find it so wild in retrospect,

528
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: it was that his draft. I understand that he was,

529
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, not considered ever to go number one overall,

530
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: but it just gives you a context of how much

531
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: of a project he was. So his draft was the

532
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Anthony Bennett draft, meaning there was no shore fire or anything.

533
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia seventy six ers were intentionally trying to lose

534
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: games and take long term projects. In that draft, they

535
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: took Michael Carter Williams and Nerland's Noel instead of Jannis,

536
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: both ahead of him. The Celtics with all those picks

537
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn, we're just trying to take long term projects.

538
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: They took Kelly o'linik instead of Jannis. The Pistons were

539
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: in a rebuild. They took KCP. The Kings were in

540
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: a rebuild. They took Ben McLamore. The Bobcats at the time,

541
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: we're in a permanent rebuild. They took Cody Zeller. All

542
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: of these teams passed on Jannis because it's like, Okay, yeah,

543
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be good. But he's so thin and he's

544
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: so raw, and he's played against no one. He was

545
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: not supposed to be a star. So he comes to

546
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: the league. Then he grows three inches and the body

547
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: stuff that you mentioned is real. He could be. He

548
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: was as skinny as Durant when he came into the league.

549
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: And I listened, Durant one of the fifteen greatest players ever.

550
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm not taking shots at him, but if that body

551
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: was available to Yannis, it's available to anybody. Because like

552
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: like Durant made the choice, I'm gonna state. Then Yanna said, Nope,

553
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be able to shoot like that guy.

554
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: So I need to just put on all the muscle

555
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: and It's one of the reasons I get frustrated because

556
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: all right, I know I'm bouncing around, but I think

557
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: you'll find this fascinating. Colin some a Yannis fan tweeted this,

558
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: and I think it's a really interesting point. When Dame

559
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: or Steph or Durant or Lebron go off for these

560
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: or Booker for Monster Knights, you know who chimes in

561
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: on Twitter? Other NBA stars. Nobody. None of his colleagues

562
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: say a mumbling word on Twitter about Yannis, and I

563
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: think there is an element of remember when James Harden

564
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I wish I was big and tall

565
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: and could just dunk. I think there is a lack

566
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: of respect for him amongst his peers, which is crazy

567
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: to me because there's a lot of seven footers in

568
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: the league. None of them can do what he does.

569
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: The idea it's like, oh, he's just bigger than everyone.

570
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: He's not George Morrison. He's a big guy who I

571
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: think is incredibly skilled, and I think he doesn't have

572
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: the respect of the rest of the league, the superstars.

573
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: I don't think that because you can't put the ball

574
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: on his hands and get a bucket immediately. And I

575
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: think he built this himself, and I think it's one

576
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: of the reasons he is so you know, I think

577
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: legitimately humble about it is. I think he's a surprised

578
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: by this as anybody. Kids know what they're not. I

579
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: mean kids know. Jannis knew what he wasn't and young people.

580
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: I've got six kids, four step two biology, They've all

581
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: known their personalities at five are their personalities, the shy kids,

582
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: the outgoing kids, the five kids, the socially awkward kids.

583
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: We often think we have the answers as adults. But

584
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: Jannis knew what he was, and he also, to your point,

585
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: knew what he wasn't. I'm not going to be able

586
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: to shoot like k D. I'm getting into a weight

587
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: room because when I watch him in this series, he

588
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: is so strong. It's he's just I mean, DeAndre Ayton

589
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: weighs what two hundred and fifty five pounds. He is

590
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: tossing him around the court. It's unbelievable. And he by

591
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: the way, if you look the block and the dunk

592
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: on the alley oop, they're both one leg that jumps

593
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: off his left leg. That's the leg that buckle he

594
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: buckled two weeks ago. He the sprint down the court,

595
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: he passes four players, it passes four guys. It's like

596
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: a racehorse down the stretch. It's it's remarkable. It is

597
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: it's remarkable. And I also think it's cool that you

598
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: are seeing there is not just one way like they

599
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: and I think there's a point like there's your point

600
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: about you know, Lebron's way and Katie's way. There's not

601
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: just one way also to win a championship like And

602
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: the other thing that I think is unique about Yannis

603
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: is he scored those back to back forty point games,

604
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: and folks are like, oh, Jordan did four. You know,

605
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: there are a lot In fact, I would say the

606
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: majority of the best players in the league would go

607
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: into that third game saying, oh, I'm getting forty again.

608
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna through hell or high water. I'm at least

609
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: gonna I'm at least gonna do everything I can. I

610
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: really Yannis played that game like he did not give

611
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: a damn if he scored forty or not, because I

612
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: don't think he did. And when he's been asked about

613
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Middleton the Closer, he has said, no, Chris is great

614
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: at that, and I'm not so Yeah, Chris give it

615
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: to Chris. I don't care at all, and I actually

616
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: don't think he cares. And I think that is for

617
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: the late great Kobe Bryant. And what was some of

618
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 1: his greatest strength was also at times's greatest weakness. He

619
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: had to be the one who was taking those last shots. Now,

620
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: he was very good at them, and but there were

621
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: times where he definitely should have deferred. But that's not

622
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: how he was wired. Janie, I do not think cares

623
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: at all about who gets the credit. I think he

624
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: just wants to win legitimately. Yeah, And he seems unaffected

625
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: with the American criticism and the American media. You know,

626
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: I think I'm you know, a lot of times domestic

627
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: players have grown up with your espns and your talk

628
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: radios and your columnists, and they're they're affected by it.

629
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Adam Silver says, my players are miserable. Jannest

630
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: appears to be unaffected. And it's not just because Milwaukee

631
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: a small media market. He's really very comfortable in the

632
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: moment in his own space. He's obviously got a very good,

633
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, family and social circle. He's very comfortable in

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Speaker 1: his own skin, and he's really unaffected by it. I

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00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: don't even think the counting by the fans and the

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00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: championship through the playoffs matters. You know, I don't think

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00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: he's a great free throw shooter. I don't believe those

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00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: fans are hindering or helping him. I just think there

639
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: is a I had a friend who was a great

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00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: golfer and he played at UCLA and he never made

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Speaker 1: the tour. And there was a guy I won't mention

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00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: his name, okay, Bob May. Bob May was he made

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Speaker 1: the tour, he won some tournaments, and my friend always

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00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: set about him. He goes, Bob was just unaffected by noise.

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00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: Bob just love golf. That's all he cared about. He

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00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: was great at it. Unaffected. And he goes, I was

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00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: an overthinker. I mean I would be. I couldn't sleep

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00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: if I played poorly on the eighteenth hole. And he goes,

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00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: it's just my personality. And he said, you know, and

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Speaker 1: my friend was talking about he goes, a lot of

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00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: the great golfers have a short memory, they forget a

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00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: bad shot, and Yannis has a really this is a

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00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: real skill. He's unaffected by noise, he's unaffected by pressure,

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00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: he's unaffected by expectations. He's he it's a real gift.

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Speaker 1: It's a real gift. He just have to half quarter

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00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: to quarter, free throw to free throw. It doesn't matter. Now.

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Speaker 1: I love Lebron, but I've seen Lebron have a bad

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00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: shooting quarter and it affect him for another game. And

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00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: like that. You you see guys, some guys you can

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00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: see the Wheels tournament. You can see them thinking and

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00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: you can I don't think Jannis misses free throws because

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00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: he's overthinking it. I think he misses free throws because

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00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: he's a terrible free throcuster, because his form is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: His whole little process is like is obvious. He takes

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00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: too long. Like But I don't think it's in his head.

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00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it was in Shack's head either.

667
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: I think Shack was just bad at it, you know.

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00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: With Lebron, I do think at times it gets in

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Speaker 1: his head. Like Lebron, I think it's the one time

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Speaker 1: on the court where he's stopping and thinking and going

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00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: through the whole thing. I also do wonder how much

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00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: of this, you know, people talked about and I know

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Speaker 1: Thanasis was out with elth and safety protocols for game five,

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00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: and when you know Thanasis is on the Bucks, Kostis,

675
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: his younger brother is on the Lakers, you know, and

676
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, the Lakers doing this too, you know,

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00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: maybe sign Yannis one day, which I'm sure is probably

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00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: why they were, And the Bucks are doing it as

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Speaker 1: a favorite of Yannis, you know, have his older brother

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Speaker 1: on there. I wonder, Colin, how much of Jannis seemingly

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Speaker 1: staying this authentic is because his big brothers there. So

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Speaker 1: if you like, it's just logical that if your big

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Speaker 1: brother who was selling DVDs on the streets of Greece

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00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: with you, who has been through the struggle, who has

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00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: seen you at your lowest points and see all of this,

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Speaker 1: and who also recognizes what a long shot this all was,

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00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: and not your little brother, your big brother, right, if

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Speaker 1: he sees you starting to all of a sudden get

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00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: outside of yourself, I think he has the ability to

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: check him, not just like as a big brother, but

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00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: they're also teammates, so it's like teammates have the ability

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00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: to check each other. But this is your brother, who's

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00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: your big brother. So I think I do Whether they

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00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: were thinking this or not, or whether Yannis needed this

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00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: or not. I do think it is incredibly valuable to

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00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: Yannis that Finosis is there. I think that you know.

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00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because early in these games, I know

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00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: Jannis has said he has left games three and to

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00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom. I don't believe that at all.

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00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: I think he's I don't want, not a medical diagnosis,

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00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: but hyperventilating. I think he's breathing too hard. I think

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00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: he's too amped up. The Nazis is calming Yannis down.

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00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: The Nazi is like doing breathing stuff with Yannis. I

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00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: think having him there has been a huge part of

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Speaker 1: Yannis staying this seemingly authentic, because I ain't otherwise his

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Speaker 1: brother might call him out on it, and he knows it.

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Speaker 1: All right, Nick, before we go, I'll take the Bucks

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Speaker 1: in six. I think the Sons are worn down. I

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00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: don't feel they truly believe inside that locker room they

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00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: can beat Milwaukee's physicality, and back to back games. I'm

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00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: going to take the Bucks comfortably in game six at Milwaukee.

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, well, my original pick was in seven, but

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00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: that was I said Phoenix would go up to oh,

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00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: Milwaukee would tie it two to two and then Phoenix

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00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: would win Game five. I had it going exactly like

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00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn series. But now that Milwaukee won Game five,

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00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: I don't think Milwaukee's losing. When's the last time Milwaukee

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00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: trying to think they've lost what one home game this

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00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: whole playoffs? And it was the Trey Young game. It

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00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: was when Trey scored forty seven in Game one right

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Speaker 1: after by the way, Milwaukee had come off the grueling

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Speaker 1: seven game series. I don't think they're losing at home,

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Speaker 1: and I think this is going to be a Bucks coronation.

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Speaker 1: I think, listen, Devin Booker went for forty in back

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Speaker 1: to back games, and the son's lost. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: game five, it's Chris Baul goes twenty and ten, eight

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00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: and goes twenty and ten. Booker goes for forty, aja lose.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you can come back from that.

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Speaker 1: I like Milwaukee. I like Milwaukee to cover the five.

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00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: I think that this is a game that if Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: gets the type of lead they built in the third

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00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: quarter of Game five, don't think Phoenix without the home crowd,

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Speaker 1: has the energy, you know, to punch back one last time.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the season ends on Tuesday. All right, buddy,

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Speaker 1: great seeing you, Ma Man. Love your work and you

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Speaker 1: crushed it. We'll talk soon. You too. We'll talk soon.

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