1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's ca How do we reopen this economy? 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: The latest on how this pandemic is impacting farmers. What 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: does this do for the United States relationship with China? 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On, The Insiders, the influencers, the insides. We're 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: responding to this crisis and manufacturers are stepping up like 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 1: never before. We're looking at seventy kenneddates for different vaccines. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: How do we make sure a pandemic of this scale 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: never happens again? This is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin 9 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: Surrelate on Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: m h D two COVID nineteen come back. US stocks 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: tumble with virus threatening the economy, and US cases are 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: up one point six percent as Arizona hospitalizations hospitalizations jump. 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: We'll give you the latest on everything that's going on 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: with regards to the pandemic and how stomach or Senate 15 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Democrats rather blocking the GOP police bill. Josh Wing Grove 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: bloom Bird White House Reporter will give us all of 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: the download on the White House Congress, what's going on 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: with that, and plus my exclusive interview with former South 19 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: ben mayor Pete Buddha Gedge, the former Democratic presidential candidate 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: now advising the Biden campaign on US China trade policy. 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: We dive into what a Biden white House would look 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: like for US China relations. Joe Crawley then reacts, the 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: former New York congressman and Democratic Caucus Chair. We'll talk 24 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: all about the primaries from last night, and we end 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: the show with a friend of the program mc gorman, 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: vice president at Targeted Victory and former NRCC communications director. 27 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: Is it over for Deem Trump? That New York Time 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: poll fourteen points? He's down? Or can you make a comeback? 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: Mac Gorbon's going to give us the latest lots to 30 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: get through. Great show today, folks, buckle up. We're gonna 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: check in with Pete coming up just and just a 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: few minutes to be honest, to stick around for that. 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: We talk all about US and China trade policy. US 34 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: stocks slump two point six percent today as investors grew 35 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: anxious that the resurgence and virus cases in multiple states 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: will hamper the economic recovery. This according to the Bloomberg Terminal. 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: We should also note that the I m F came 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: out with a report today that actually tweaked some of 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: the the forecast that the economists at the i m 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: F had been predicting UH for the global recession deepens. 41 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: They say that the global UH that that the outlook 42 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: for this year will worsen. This because of the economic 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: data from all the shutdowns around the world. But five 44 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: point four percent global GDP growth. And we should note 45 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: this because this the I m F says this, and 46 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I think it bears repeating. This could be upgraded for 47 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: this year if there's a significant medical breakthrough or business 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: activity zooms more quickly. And I go back to what 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Dr Anthony Fauci said yesterday UH in Congress, which is 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: that he is cautiously optimistic that a vaccine would be 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: in the US market by the end of the year. 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta you gotta look at all the 53 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: different signs. So that's where we are joining us on 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: the line with someone who has all the signs on 55 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: what's happening inside the President Trump's White House, Josh wind Grove. 56 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: He is Bloomberg White House reporter, Josh. How is the 57 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: administration recalibrating given the uptick in cases in Arizona, Florida 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: and Texas. Well, they're not really, I mean, we really 59 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: haven't seen them addressed it. It's been two months since 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: that Coronavirus Task Force did a briefing. We've been told 61 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: that they won't be doing public briefings anymore. I think 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: President Trump is going to have to respond. In particular, 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: got sort of Republican allies in Texas and Florida. Governor 64 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: is there who you know, been pretty supportive of him 65 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: dealing with these outbreaks again, Texas in particular warning of 66 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: a massive outbreak today and so you know, he the 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: President just kind of wants the economy to reopen, but 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: also isn't really encouraging the steps it would facilitate that, 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: like you know, mask wearing and all that kind of thing. 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: So we really haven't seen them changed tack yet. So 71 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: do you think that there's going to be pressure on 72 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: them to change. I mean we've all seen the reports 73 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: in terms of how Europe might have to adjust some 74 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: travel restrictions on the US as well as quarantining for 75 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: two week periods for some states. Um, you know where 76 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: do you see that happening? Yeah, that the European report 77 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: I think was a little sobering. Right. The US doesn't 78 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: want to be seen as the laggard of course, but 79 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: it continues to have this persistently high caseload. We had 80 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: something like thirty five thousand cases in the US confirmed yesterday. 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: That was the second highest total ever. Now, of course 82 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: we're doing a lot more tests than were before, but 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: still it's you know, it's not coming down in the 84 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: way that people had hoped. And so yeah, you're seeing 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: these sort of internal restrictions within the US. The President 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: itself is poised to maybe run a foul of them 87 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: because as New Jersey wants people who have been to 88 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: a handful of states, including Arizona, to quarantine or self 89 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: isolate for two weeks. Uh and the f a A 90 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: is sort of signaling that the President plans to go 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: to his uh is Bedminster golf Club this weekend. So 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: you know, we're if everyone's taking it one step at 93 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: a time, but the key messages that you know, no 94 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: one we aren't you know, the world isn't through this. 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: US in particular has a pretty significant footprints steal of 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: this virus. And I should know that Dr Couch is 97 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: a tad on the optimistic side. Other health experts are 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: pumping the brakes a little on how quickly that vaccine 99 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: will be available. Yeah, that's what I said. I mean, 100 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm not the only one, because I was 101 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: saying this on Bloomberg ser Bialance to Tom, uh, Lisa, 102 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: and John all throughout the week in Francine as well. 103 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: You know, I was struck by the optimism coming from 104 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: Falci's testimony on Capitol Hill. Um, especially about that, about 105 00:05:54,960 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: that about the vaccine. Uh, this is economist, including Bloomberg honomus, 106 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: are suggesting there be a stepped up recovery. Come Q 107 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: three or Q four. I do want to know something 108 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: that you alluded to, Joshua grow Bloomberg White House reporter 109 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: reading from Bloomberg News, New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut 110 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: will require visitors from virus hotspots to quarantine for fourteen 111 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: days two weeks. The move comes as Florida and California 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: both set daily records for new cases, while Arizona reported 113 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: a new high in COVID nineteen hospital hospitalizations. That's the 114 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: second time I couldn't say that word. Texas governor said 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: that the state has a massive outbreak. So Texas, Texas 116 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: now is dealing with this. Josh these are battled round states. 117 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that this is going to play as 118 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: a local issue of local Democrats and local Republicans, or 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: are we living in such a nationalized election cycle that 120 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: this is going to be all pinned on Trump. I 121 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: think it's it's a great question, but yeah, I think 122 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: some of it is being pinned on Trump, as Trump 123 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: hasn't seen the polling bump that a lot of governors 124 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: and even even leaders in other countries have seen. In 125 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: other words, you know, voters across the world and across 126 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: the states have been saying, you know, giving their leaders 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: a sort of the benefit of the doubt as they 128 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: try to contain this virus that Trump really hasn't had that, 129 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: and so if they start attaching them, obviously that's going 130 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: to have consequence there. Zona's arguably one of the top 131 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: handful of swing states in the country. Florida of course 132 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: as well. I mean it's Texas is in play. That's 133 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: really bad news for Republicans. So you know, we're we're 134 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: going to see where it goes. But we're really seeing 135 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: almost like the first waves hitting in places that it 136 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: hasn't really hit before. I mean, we've been talking about 137 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: this for a month. Of course, New York and the 138 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: sort of area around New York City was by far 139 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: the epicenter of the virus early on. The curve has 140 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: really come down there. We're seeing other places take it. 141 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: In the sun Belt and across the South really started 142 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: to hit what is essentially their first curve. And you know, 143 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: I think part of that is probably being driven a 144 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: little bit by the weather. We always thought that this 145 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: would down over the summer, but if it's too hot, 146 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: people stay inside and the air conditioning helps this thing spread. So, 147 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, I with the summer reprieve hasn't been there. 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: All right, Let's pivot now to a story that you 149 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: wrote on the Bloomberg terminal. Excellent reporting from Josh Win 150 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: Grow from Bolton to Maddie. Trump faces aids turned adversaries. 151 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: As President Trump's battle for re election heats up, he 152 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: faces an unusual and potent foe, a raft of former 153 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: top aids and cabinet members, including John Kelly, James Madison, 154 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: now John Bolton, who have turned against him. How is 155 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: this going to impact the race, Josh, I'm reading from 156 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: your report, Well, I think we're going to see a 157 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: lot of attack as they're going to use the words 158 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of the president's own uh, you know, cabinet takers as 159 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: supporters or aids against him. You know, he did. The Democrats, 160 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,319 Speaker 1: in other words, don't need to put themselves on TV 161 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: criticizing the president again, put some of his own circle. 162 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: Now Bolton. Of course, his claims have been uh, rebutted 163 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: by many people in the president's orbit who remained very 164 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: supportive at hand. For instance, that claim on China, they 165 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Bolten said, love you know, President Trump asked China to 166 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: buy a bunch of agriculture to help him out. You know, 167 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: people are saying, yeah, he wanted them buy agriculture, but 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that So we'll see. 169 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: But you know, Maddis Kelly all the way down, you know, 170 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: to the early on folks in his orbit, like Omar Rossa. 171 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: These are people that the president and they've left and 172 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: they've written books and now they are critical. I think 173 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: we'll see them. Uh, they're the hop a cross roads 174 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: this year. Do they want to be you know Joe 175 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Biden had or do they not want to be in 176 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: a Scaramucci Remember, don't forget Anthony Scaramucci. Um, yeah, Scaramucci 177 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: is he is staunchly against the president right now and 178 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: it is among the group of Republicans davocating for the 179 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: president's decease, and one of the former v A secretaries 180 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: that we write about actually attended a Joe Biden fundraiser 181 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: last week in New York. So I think why this matters, folks, 182 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: is because it's why we're not seeing Joe Biden on 183 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: the campaign trail. You know, when I when I speak 184 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: to sources on the Biden campaign, they say they want 185 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: to turn this into a referendum election. They don't want 186 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: it to be a choice election where it's between Joe 187 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: Biden and President Trump. They wanted to be a referendum. 188 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, you're not. They don't want to. It's not 189 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: that you're voting for Joe Biden, it's that you're voting 190 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: against Trump. And that's how they plan on win winning 191 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: independent voters. At least now that's the thinking inside of 192 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: Biden world. But josh Wyn Grove Bloomberg White House Reporter, 193 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think back to the sixteen cycle when 194 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: the Trump campaign in many ways did a very similar 195 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: strategy in terms of attacking Hillary Clinton on the emails 196 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: and in every you mentioned attack ad. I totally agree 197 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: with that, and beyond that, when you've got six to 198 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: eight million people tuning in to see Martha Rattot's on 199 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: ABC News interviewed John Bolton in the first exclusive interview 200 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,559 Speaker 1: that he gave that in and of itself is essentially 201 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: a half our attack at and I think the re 202 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: election campaign, you know, has got to figure out a 203 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: way to push through this. Do you think that they 204 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: are close to figuring out a way? I mean, the 205 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: New York time Pool has him down fourteen percentage points 206 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: nationally amongst likely voters that just came out this morning, um, 207 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: nationally to Joe Biden. Yeah. I mean they're trying to, 208 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: for instance, you know, try to define Biden right there. 209 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: Their whole way to deflect these poles has been look 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: are polling shows that President Trump is competitive, which is 211 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: a different word than winning competitive against Joe Biden in 212 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: swing states where when he is defined in other words, 213 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: we gotta throw some stuff at the wall and see 214 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: what's gonna stick. But the President hasn't really been able 215 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: to change gears and get out of his own way. 216 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: We've been seen some Republicans sort of you know, speak 217 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: out about this, and so I just don't you know, 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: what we've been looking for is a change in signal. 219 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: If the president believes he's down, you know, will he 220 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: switch approach, will they change themes? Will they ramp up attacks? 221 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, I would probably more likely the president they 222 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: will go more on offense than not. But we we 223 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: really really haven't seen that. And today at the White 224 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: House he hosted Poland's president essentially the Greatest Hits album. 225 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: They talked about stuff that they talked about before. Interesting 226 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: from that though, is that Poland's president as President Trump 227 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: to back off the plan to pull troops out of 228 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: Germany US troops out of Germany. On the flip side, 229 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: Poland's president also appears to be leading the White House 230 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: without a guarantee of what US troops will be put 231 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: in Poland, So you know, the president appears to really 232 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: be sticking the script. So whether it'll be all over again, 233 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: I think time will tell. But right now, Joe Biden's 234 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: got a bigger lead and Hillary Clinton had too much 235 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: of that campaign, So any sort of you know, pulls 236 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: are wrong, then logic is strained by the just sheer 237 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: scale of that lead. Josh Winder, Bloomberg White House Reporter, 238 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: appreciate the time and as always appreciate the excellent, stellar reporting. 239 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: Let's dive into what a Biden presidency would look like 240 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: on foreign policy. That's where I began my conversation earlier 241 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: today on Bloomberg Television and Radio with someone who has 242 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: become a central killer as part of the U. S. 243 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: China relationship in a potential Biden presidency. His name is 244 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Pete Budda Jedge. He is the former South Bend mayor 245 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: of Indiana and a former Democratic presidential candidate. Here is 246 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: the reason that China wants a second Trump term is 247 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: that everything about the chaos and division in this country 248 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: under President Trump plays to the competitive benefit of China. 249 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: For example, one of the strongest things that we have 250 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: going for us the United States in competition over values 251 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: and interests with China is the strength of our alliances. 252 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: We have a network of global alliances that has been 253 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: generations in the making. China's most notable alliances probably with 254 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: North Korea. And yet today we see the American president 255 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: systematically dismantling our alliances one by one. Meanwhile, we saw 256 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: how the president was really taken advantage of by China 257 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: when it came to trade deals. We see that it 258 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: is highly unlikely that any of the export expectations are 259 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: going to be met, and the so called Phase one 260 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: trade deal left most of the important issues from currency 261 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: to intellectual property off to some mythical future day. Meanwhile, 262 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: the presidents also made it clear that his silence could 263 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: be purchased. He was so desperate to curry favor with 264 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Shi Jinping that he was silent about Hong kong aspirations 265 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: for democracy, and not only silent, but by some accounts 266 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: encouraging that came to concentration camps in Shinjung uh In 267 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: area after area. Of the competition that is going on 268 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: between the United States and China, it's very clear that 269 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party would rather see a continuation of 270 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the chaos and the division here at home that we've 271 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: come to expect under President Trump. It's not just Wall 272 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Street that has been injected into the uncertainty surrounding the U. 273 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: S and China trade relations, but also farmers as well 274 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: as Main Street. And it shouldn't Biden beat President Trump 275 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: on November three? Would the US China Phase one deal 276 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: be thrown out the window? And what it had to 277 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: we started all over and if it does, our tariffs 278 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: going to be a part of a of a negotiating 279 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: tool that the United States uses. Well, you're right that 280 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: it is American farmers and also manufacturers, and all of 281 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: us is consumers who have so much at stake in 282 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: a better policy because the tariffs that we saw really, uh, 283 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: the brunt of that came down on us the American people. 284 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: By some measures, typical American household paid eight hundred dollars 285 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: more in costs. And I gotta tell you, in my 286 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: part of the country, right here in the Midwest, where 287 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: both farming and manufacturing are extremely important, we just can't 288 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: take this continued beat it that's been going on. So 289 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: what you can be confident of under a Biden administration 290 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: is that future negotiations will happen with a view towards 291 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: putting American workers and farmers and manufacturing first, and that 292 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: he won't hesitate to speak out about American values like 293 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: our commitment to democracy that have really and sold out 294 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: under this administration. Remember, in a future president Biden will 295 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: left somebody who understands how to strengthen our alliances, to 296 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: strengthen our negotiating position, understands China. Because he has been 297 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: dealing with the likes of Hi jen Paing for a 298 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: very long time and understands that the best that way 299 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: to compete effectively and to have better deals has to 300 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: do with our own competitiveness. It means making the investments 301 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: right here at home that are necessary and everything from 302 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: education to infrastructure for us to not only hold our 303 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: own but to be in a position of strength when 304 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: we are engaging with, competing with and trading with countries 305 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: from China to the rest of the world. Well, how 306 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: do we make sure that she Jing Ping is actually 307 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: going to follow through on his commitments, because if you 308 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: look at agricultural purchases, if you look at what's been 309 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: going on in Arkansas, at the Tyson's Plan and regards 310 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: to a lack of transparency regarding COVID nineteen through the 311 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: World Health Organization, how do we make sure that the 312 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Communist Party of China may or Buddha Judges is actually 313 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: following through on their economic it meants and their transparency 314 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: commitments on global health. Well, first of all, we've got 315 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: to be realistic about our ability to shape their ambitions, 316 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: and I think that is something that in the past 317 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: US foreign policy has struggled to do. You mentioned transparency, 318 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: and there are certainly challenges in terms of Chinese management 319 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: of this health crisis. Obviously they need to be held 320 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: accountable for that. But that's exactly why we shouldn't be 321 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: turning our back on the w h O and allowing 322 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: China to have even more influence there. We should be 323 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: doubling down on American public health leadership. You gotta ask yourself, 324 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: why did President Trump praise the transparency the transparency of 325 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: the Chinese regime early in the coronavirus pandemic. I think 326 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: it's because he was negotiating from a position of weakness, 327 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: and you're not going to see that under a future 328 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: President Biden. It is clear that this president has been manipulated, 329 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: has been fooled, and has been rolled by China. You 330 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: are not going to see that with somebody who has 331 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: the experience that future President Biden will bring to negotiations 332 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: into foreign policy because he's been able to see how 333 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: the Chinese regime operates from this position in foreign policy 334 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: leadership for decades. I got some more questions where you 335 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: I want to come back to something you said earlier 336 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: with regards to Europe and building coalitions around the world, 337 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: because you've got a president right now who has articulated 338 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 1: himself as an isolationist and contrasted with the presumptive Democratic 339 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 1: nominee more saying that he wants to bring about more 340 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: of the coalitions. How do you do that while also 341 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: ensuring that Europe Europe doesn't take advantage of the American worker. Well, 342 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: there's no question that our interests are usually aligned but 343 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: sometimes intention with any trading partner, including our partners across 344 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 1: the Atlantic. But what we know is that we're going 345 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: to be much better off if we're on strong terms 346 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: with countries that share our fundamental values. Look again, I'm 347 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: from the heart of the so called rust belt. My 348 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: city was built on auto manufacturing, and we saw in 349 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: this part of the country firsthand the consequences of what 350 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: happens when trade deals are made that don't take into 351 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: account and the needs of our region and the needs 352 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: of our workers. The answer to that is not isolation. 353 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: The answer is not to put up a lall around 354 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: the status quo that's long gone anyway. The answer is 355 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: to make sure that we have our front foot forward 356 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: and we have enough interests and values shared with your 357 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: including our commitment to democracy, our commitments to how markets 358 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 1: should work for the benefit of all UH and our 359 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: historical alliance, that we should be able to work through 360 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 1: any of the tensions, whether it's over individual trading issues, 361 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: technological issues, or others, in the service of the broader 362 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: goals that we clearly share. But only if we're actively 363 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 1: tending to these alliances, not lighting them on fire at 364 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: every opportunity. That was former South Bend mayor Pete Buddha 365 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: g Edge, the also former Democratic presidential candidate, talking about 366 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: what a Biden administration would look like with regards to 367 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: US and China policy. Now I also asked him about 368 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: who he thinks President or former Vice President Biden should 369 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: select us his running mate. He says that UH diversity 370 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: could be a crucial crucial role on the ticket, especially 371 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing about a more diverse cabinet for 372 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: a Biden administration. You can download the Bloomberg Sound On 373 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 374 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find me 375 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. Coming up, well, 376 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: check in with Joe Crawley Joe Crowley, the former New 377 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: York congressman, to size up how progressives did last night 378 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: in the primaries. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You're listening to Bloomberg. 379 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's Sound On with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg 380 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: and one oh five one seven f MHD two. I'm 381 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: Kevin sur Really. I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 382 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. Joining us on the line someone 383 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: who is a Bruce Springsteen fan. His name is Joe Crawley. 384 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: He is a former New York congressman and the former 385 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: Democratic Caucus Chair. How are you, Joe, how are you 386 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: doing in these times, these uncertain, turbulent times. Well, Kevin, 387 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: it's it is crazy time. It's been a while since 388 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: I've been on with you. Really, I think obviously this 389 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: is a contributed to it. Um. You know, I'm up 390 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: here in New York and it's a beautiful day. Um, 391 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: but everyone has a mask on. I mean everybody has 392 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: a mask on. It's just remarkable, it really is. Did 393 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: you see Bruce Springsteen's interview with David Brooks in The Atlantic? 394 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: I did not. I know that. I'm gonna yeah, I'm 395 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: gonna text you that because it's it's really really least 396 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: something where he gives a playlist for the Trump era. 397 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen playlist for The full playlist is on Spotify. 398 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: Hey here's a plug, Hey Barat, I'm about to plug 399 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: the show. You can go on Spotify and listen to 400 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen and keV Sirelli. Yeah on show. So I'm 401 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: gonna put you on the spot show, Crowley. If you 402 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: had to pick a song by Bruce Springsteen for, what 403 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: would you? What would what would the Bruce Springsteen U 404 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: soundtrack be for? For the For everything we've been through 405 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: from January one to June Today's twenty four? Sorry, go ahead, 406 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: I don't even know what Dad is he Um, he 407 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: was doing a number of songs um acoustically. He borrowed 408 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: a song from Stephen Foster. I did an incredible version 409 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: of it called hard Times Come Again No More. And 410 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: I think that's hearkening back to the mid eighteen hundreds 411 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: of but there was something too economically and and the 412 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: arms of our country, and um, I think we feel 413 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: the same way today that these times that we're experiencing, 414 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: that they passed us and and they don't hit us again. 415 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: You know, I was I was thinking it would be 416 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: my hometown, you know, I always think of that. I 417 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: always think of so many. There's so many. I think 418 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: factory would be great. Right now. You think of all 419 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: the men and women who have lost their jobs and 420 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: don't give anything even for those difficult jobs. Right now, 421 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: I think going the routine and as hard as those 422 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: lives were, they gave people value that you know, as 423 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: you said, you start to gaves of life, you know, 424 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: and uh, the work, just the working, the working, the 425 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: working life, you know. Okay, But but I'm an optimist 426 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say better days should be on 427 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: this playlist. I don't care what part of your better 428 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: days is a great one. That's what I listened to 429 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: whenever ready to get myself out of a funk. I said, Mom, 430 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: if you ever want to get me out of a funk, 431 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: just give me a good song to listen to. I 432 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: love a good song, you know. I don't listen to 433 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: the sad stuff until we get down. You gotta turn 434 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: on the power stuff. You know, you gotta feel good, 435 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: especially these days. I think that's likely what you like. 436 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's very optimistic. So as much as Bruce 437 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: can bring you down and it can be reflective, he 438 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: also had that power of really turn of things. The 439 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: Promised Land is about the problem, you know, uh, and 440 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: the promise itself what a great tune, you know. So 441 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: there are so many even the river, but it talks 442 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: about real people, and you know, as bad as tough 443 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: as it is, they find value with each other, even 444 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: though the baby stakes along the way. You know, we 445 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: listened to Jungle Land my sister and I and my 446 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: brother in law on the way down from uh from 447 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: Baltimore on the radio when we were driving down to 448 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: get back down here. All right, I could talk Bruce, 449 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: this is we gotta we gotta go to politics, Buddy, 450 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: we gotta pivot. I know, I got Barata in the 451 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: chat rolling or she's like, you're off topic, buddy, rated 452 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: in rade it in. You know that critiqued me. I 453 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: gotta stay on message. So oh boy, okay, the primaries 454 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: last night, what do you think, come on, give us 455 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: the light of the lamb. What happened? Wow? I mean 456 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: there were a lot of really very interesting outcomes. I 457 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: think you're looking especially the Elliott Angle Bowman race. Uh. 458 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: You know, you have the chair of the Foreign Affairs Committee. 459 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: How often does that how often does that rest in 460 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: the New York City members and and that's gone. I 461 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: think it's a couple that at looks I could I mean, 462 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say it's down, but it looks as though 463 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: that's the case. You cover with up retirement of Vita Loewey, 464 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: the chair of the Appropriations Committee, the retirement Joe Serrano 465 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: from the Bronx. He's a cardinal on the on the 466 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: Appropriations committee. It's the chair absolutely comments, I'm sorry the 467 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: Justice State subcritie very important committee. Um, look at Karla Maloney, 468 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: you know, really hangs in the chair of government operations, 469 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, in reform. So it was quite a night, uh, 470 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: and not for the incumbent and not for you know, 471 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: the seniority that that New York City is. Uh. We 472 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: you know, you expect me some fruits from that, but 473 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: that will not be the case. It looks like, you know, 474 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: so it's really remarkable nightment of respects that Clark really 475 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: barreled show. I think that she had a wake up 476 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: call obviously two years ago and really distanced herself from 477 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: from her then opponent. Again, but you're looking, queens, listen 478 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: to the pre incumbent members of the Assembly up in Werestiter. 479 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: There two two incumbent members of the Assembly. They are 480 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: very tight races trailing right now after the uh the 481 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: vote count yesterday. So it really was the remarkably air 482 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: for insurgence, I think, UM, and you know the those 483 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: really hearkening from the far left. You know, I want 484 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: to ask you a policy question, especially with regards to 485 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: the Angle race, because everyone is talking about this all 486 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: what does this mean for the progressive and what does 487 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: this mean for centrals Democrats? I want to ask you 488 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: a foreign policy question. What does this mean for US 489 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: is rarely relations. It's a great question, UM, Elliott himself 490 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: on that on issues pertaining to Ireland, you know, the 491 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: the the historic uh Irish you know, crowd up here 492 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: in New York look to Elliot in the past that 493 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: support as well. But I think, particularly when you look 494 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,199 Speaker 1: at the retime and Anita Lowey very strongly advocate for 495 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: Israel and Elliott Angle here, I think it was a 496 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: severe blow to the Israeli government, UM, written large. I 497 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: think if you look at Alexandriacascio Cortez congressan Ocasio Cortez's positions, UM, 498 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: the positions writ large but not not necessary blanket. If 499 00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 1: I can't speople knowledge but large prom the justice Democrats 500 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: UM that um are not as probably is really I 501 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: guess you could say, or a more pro Palistinian maybe 502 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: more a flight way of putting it. So it is 503 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: a seat change in man respects I think for the 504 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: New York delegation. And wow what I mean that, that's 505 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: just absolutely wow. Joe Crowley's on the line. He's a 506 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: former New York congressman and former Democratic Caucus chairman. We're 507 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: talking about the primaries. We're talking about uh And I 508 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: caught up a pee boota judge earlier today and he 509 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: was talking about the U S. China what that would 510 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: look like under a Biden presidency. You know, you know this, 511 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean Pete. Pete's emerged as one of the advisors 512 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: to the to the Biding campaign on geopolitics, on international 513 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: trade and whatnot, given his background. But but I want 514 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: to get you away in on this it does Biden 515 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: have to be putting out sort of his vision or 516 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: his team on these on these types of issues, or 517 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: does he just gotta make this a referendum election. I 518 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: don't think it made spects. You know, um, you know 519 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: when when when when your opponent is is shooting himself 520 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: on the foot, don't get in his way. And maybe 521 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: that's the wrong analogy. T the pit a better one, 522 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: but you don't another when when when your opponent is standing, 523 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: you'll stay on the way, let him just let him 524 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: failed himself. I think that is that maybe part the 525 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: structure of that of the campaign right now. I do 526 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: think he's gonna have to have those positions. And I think, 527 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: as a former chair of the proNT Affair Security in 528 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: the Senate is experienced there, that he's gonna he already 529 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: has a developed um notion about that. UM. I think 530 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a more mature relationship. UM. You know, 531 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: I think China and the United States UH kind of 532 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: meet each other in many respects. I do think there's 533 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: gonna be really more of a refocusing towards on shore 534 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: and and near shore UH, in terms of reliance on China, 535 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: that we're gonna move some of those factories, you know, 536 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to ppees and all the things 537 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: that were short to supply during this crisis. UM. But 538 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: that has really changed in many respects our relationship. But 539 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: I do think it's gonna be a mature and a um, 540 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, not not this haphazard. I don't think we're 541 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: going to trade wars. But China, I think they'll be 542 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: the I don't think that would be the goal. All right, 543 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: Joe Crowley, always great to catch up with you. Is 544 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: the family doing all right with all this? My son 545 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: Collins off from the Naval Academies, been with us for 546 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: three and a half months since. Been an incredible blessing. 547 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: So it's been awesome. I'm happy for you, all right, 548 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Joe Crowley. Former New York Congressman Bruce Springsteen. That there 549 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: it is born, run got a love. I'm just I 550 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: just I'm just gonna let of play board of the 551 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: U s O, my gosh, it's it's tired. I'm just 552 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: gonna a lot of play more next mac Warman. I'm 553 00:30:46,160 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Silly. You're listening to Bloomberg one. This is Bloomberg 554 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: Sound On with Kevin Shirley on Bloomberg and one oh 555 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: five point seven f M H D two. You know 556 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: some days I think I should have been at disc jockey. 557 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: You got O Wassis, you got Bruce. I'm Kevin Cirelli, 558 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radeo. I 559 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: always liked Carson Daily. I used to watch t RL. 560 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: Joining us on the line, Matt Gorman, Matt, Matt, do 561 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: you like Carson Daily? Did you watch TRL? I did 562 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: watch t RL. I did watch TRL every day in 563 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: the Time Square Studios. Give me your My mom loves 564 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: loves Carson Deally. She always tells me, why can't you 565 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: be more like Carson Delia. I'm trying. Mac Gorbon's the 566 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: vice president of Targeted Victory and former NRCC communications director. 567 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: Matt I was talking with Joe Crowley about what Bruce 568 00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: Springsteen song would define this year so far? Are Oh god, 569 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: uh shoot, um, oh, that's a good one. I don't know. 570 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, right, I don't know. You have you 571 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: have like five minutes, but by the end of the 572 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: segment about it, you're getting the same question. All right, 573 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: back Worman, what went on today with Senator Tim Scott, 574 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: Republican from South Carolina and police brutality. I mean, look, 575 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing now is I'm concerned, you 576 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: know with this block if Democrats blocking the bill. You 577 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: know they Schumer wanted something before by July four they 578 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: did it, and now the blocking and they want to 579 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: play politics with this um and I worry now that 580 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: this will not be will I will I get anything done? 581 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we saw this last weekend out in Minnesota. Okay, 582 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: Minnesota state Wood George was killed, right, the left had 583 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: their bill in the state legislature. Republicans who have the majority, 584 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: wanted to compromise. They had their bill. Jim Walls, who's 585 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: the governor, they're a Democrat, and the left you wouldn't 586 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: hear about it, and that there's nothing done. And it's 587 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: too important for that to happen in Minnesota. It's certainly 588 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: too important for that to happen in Washington. Alright, So 589 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: Senate Democrats blocked republicans proposal to overhaul policing practices in America, 590 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: contending that the measure is too meager to respond to 591 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: the surge and protests against police brutality and racial inequalities, 592 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: and leaving Congress at an impast for now. This according 593 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: to Brandon Lee's reporting on the on from Bloomberg Government. 594 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: So you know, but but where do we go from here? 595 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean, is this because it it doesn't advance out 596 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: of the Senate? Is this now? Is this issue over? 597 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: Or is there do you when you talk to Republicans, 598 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: do you think that there's still a chance for for 599 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: a resurrection. I don't think so. I think this was 600 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: a chance. I think if we had the ability to 601 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: get Democrats at least debating it, I think we've pronk 602 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: out right now. The salemate's no, it's only gonna actrophy. 603 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: The interest and the desire and the poltic will happen 604 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: joining right like that. And that is why I um 605 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: everyone was still urging to get done by then, because 606 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: I get on the floor. Man, you have the momentum 607 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: to keep it going. I'll be honest. I feel like, 608 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking much more now about COVID than 609 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: we did about police reform. We're talking much more about 610 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: the economy than we did police reform, you know a 611 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: week ago, two weeks ago, So these things shipped, right, 612 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: Remember remember the Bolton Book. Remember remember Jeffrey Burman, that 613 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: was in a week ago. You know, in this the 614 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: cycle of this is just news too quickly. Now, you 615 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: got to keep the iron hot. I hear you on 616 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: that point. But I also think that the sea change 617 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: with regards to with regards to uh TO to to 618 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: the polling. I mean it's suggested just support for there 619 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: to be some types of reforms. I think people are really, really, 620 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: really wanting to see this happen. And I mean and 621 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: just you know, I think back to Sandy Hook and 622 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: after that horrific tragedy when there was a bipartisan consensus 623 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: led by Senator Pat to Me, one of the most 624 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: conservative members in the Senate, and uh and Joe Mansion, 625 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: a Democrat from West Virginia, And it just seems that Congress, 626 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: for no matter who's in the White House, whether it's 627 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: a Bomb or Trump, cannot come together to pass meaningful 628 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: reform anymore on issues that the public really wants to 629 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: see accomplished, the public wants to see by partisanship. And 630 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,959 Speaker 1: then it's like we have you know, for whatever reason. 631 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: I let me ask the question, why do you think, 632 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: whether it's Sandy Hook or whether it's George Floyd, that 633 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,919 Speaker 1: this does not lead to ultimate structural change A couple 634 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: of things. I think time is on the side of 635 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: those who oppose it right like that they didn't get 636 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: through the go through the Senate, barely didn't get through 637 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: the House. Um move mentioned into me because if you 638 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 1: slow it down, it will eventually get off the front page. 639 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: And that was even true before Trump. I think when 640 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: you talked about the police reform, I want to see 641 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: the intense people. I think very few people are going 642 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: to vote or decide their votes on polic form. I 643 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: think very good people have that. Frankly issues even among 644 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, guarnd control and a an amendment, which was 645 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: certainly an issue in cycles the mid terms. Um, that 646 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: was you know, everywhere, and it didn't often some districts 647 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: to districts of Northern Virginia, New York and a couple 648 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: other areas, but even then it was top three at 649 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: most people were not voting on this. It was a uh, 650 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, a virtue signal. It allowed Democrats in many 651 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: respects to go on offense with it, but it wasn't 652 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: a voting issue. I think police perform is the same way. Meanwhile, 653 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: I do want to get your take. Let's pivot now 654 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: politics with mc gorman, vice president of Target of Victory, 655 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: former NRCC communications director. Um, you know the polls that 656 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: are out, it shows President Trump trailing significantly to Biden. 657 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: Is this race over? What is the national media missing 658 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: if it's not, and what does it mean for downballot races, well, 659 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: a couple of things. It's not over, absolutely not over. 660 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: I mean, look when we were in However, I'm going 661 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: to break my own rule here. There's lessons to be 662 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: learning for both parties and what they cannot use as 663 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: a crunch. Republicans can't go out and say, well, pulls 664 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: wrong in twenty sixteen. Trump is gonna be fine onteen, 665 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: on and on and on. Democrats because what kind of 666 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: Obamas did is student on the fundraiser with Joe Biden 667 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: that they can't get smugged. They can't get complacent, you know, 668 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: they can't assume that Joe Biden, like did with Hillary, 669 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: was going to win. That's why, especially an urban areas 670 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: elite Milwaukee didn't turn out that they did. Um. And 671 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: we're cut out there. You're cut out there, But you're 672 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: making a good point. Go ahead. What were you saying, buddy, 673 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: I was just saying that. Like, that's that's why areas 674 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: like Milwaukee, areas like Philly didn't turn out the levels 675 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: that they did in zan eight and two thou twelves. Um. 676 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: And to the last point is Democrats can't give in. 677 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: They gave Trump the culture war in two thou sixteen 678 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: he wants it. He got it in twenty sixteen, he 679 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: wants it again in Democrats really need to avoid doing 680 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: that same thing again. And as for the as for 681 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: the the trajectory in terms of the Senate potentially going 682 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: to um Democrats and flipping UH and majority in the 683 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: House for Democrats, how do you size this up? Because again, 684 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: I mean you look at some of these battlegrounds, look 685 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: at Johnie Ernst and Iowa for example, who we're going 686 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: to have on tomorrow U at the end of the week. 687 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: How do you size up that and what impact is 688 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: Trump having in those battleground states. Well, you know, I 689 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: think it's Johnny Eart is something I think very smart 690 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: earlier in the week where she called for Teresa Greenfield's 691 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: Democrats opponent to go and debate her, and normally everyone 692 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: everyone mocks and said that's a sign of you know, 693 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 1: losing campaign, and normally that that assumption would be correct, 694 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: but not in this instance. And I'll tell you why. 695 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's important across the board. She was 696 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: smart and strategic for for them to do it, because Uh, 697 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: Senators Johnnie Earn, Susan Collins Gardner, McSally and all the 698 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: rest all day answer questions in the Hall of Pocograss. 699 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, you, Kevin, everybody else can ask them any 700 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: questions they want. They can answer it if they want. Uh. 701 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: Their opponents, you know, you know, especially with COVID, because 702 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: they can't even campaign, are not getting out there. They're 703 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: not they're not talking to the pressure, not taking stance 704 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: about issues. You need to draw them out and you 705 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: need otherwise Democrats, you know, they'll just sit there and run, 706 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, a ton of advertisements and control the message entirely. 707 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: It's important to bring these democrats out and get them 708 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: on the record and certain things. And I think that's 709 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: what you know is it's a smart move with the 710 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Earth's campaign stayed earlier the week. All right, what's the 711 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: brust on for this year? Okay, it's my father's house. 712 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,719 Speaker 1: It's turned the Nebraska album in the mid eighties. And 713 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: the reason my father's house because a a lot of 714 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,879 Speaker 1: millennial going back to the parents house. Uh to write 715 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: out COVID number two. If the economy stays the way 716 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: it is, a lot of people were moving back to 717 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: their father's house. Wow, Listen, I was in DC. I 718 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,720 Speaker 1: want to dell go a few weekends, but I'm staying 719 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: in DC. Thank you, Matt. That's mcwarmer, vice president. It's 720 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: hargeted victory and former n RCC communications does it for me, folks, 721 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin CURRELLI she was Washington correspondent. F Bomberg TV 722 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: and Radio. Matt Surelely on our production side says, Darkness 723 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: on the Edge of Town is the breast best Bruce album. 724 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: He says, what else? What else is the team saying, 725 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can Nick. Nick says better Days. 726 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: I say better days too. All right, that's it for me. 727 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. There it is Bloomberg.