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Speaker 2: Irrelevant of whether you have money or not, when you
Speaker 2: are poor, when you're broke, when you're struggling financially, it
Speaker 2: feels really hard to feel abundant and rich. But in
Speaker 2: order to get out of it, it's not feeling worse
Speaker 2: about it. It's starting to feel better about me, better
Speaker 2: about my values, my character, my kindness, my generosity, and
Speaker 2: seeing how can I add value to others? How can
Speaker 2: I get into a richness inside of me to serve
Speaker 2: and take care of me at the same time.
Speaker 1: The number one health and wellness podcast, Jay Sety Jay
Speaker 1: Setty sly set. The world in which we're living today
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to distribute wealth in a way that allows
Speaker 1: people to access it. Some people have been set up
Speaker 1: really badly. They had poor access to education, They didn't
Speaker 1: really know what jobs were available. People are working really
Speaker 1: really hard and not taking that much home. People are
Speaker 1: coming at it from a place of pain, of desperation,
Speaker 1: of stress. So everyone already knows that money is stressful.
Speaker 1: And your first point here is make money easy. Yes,
Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you when someone's coming
Speaker 1: at money. Our relationship with money is already at a
Speaker 1: place kind of like finding love. We're desperate for it,
Speaker 1: we're stressed by it, we're paralyzed by it, we feel
Speaker 1: the pressure for it. What do you do when you're
Speaker 1: feeling all of that? What's the first thing you need
Speaker 1: to do?
Speaker 2: The step one is you need awareness. And again you
Speaker 2: probably say this so often, and people have probably heard
Speaker 2: this so frequently, but if you don't have awareness on
Speaker 2: your attachment style towards money and how your nervous system
Speaker 2: is when you receive money or when money leaves you
Speaker 2: when you have to pay your bills or give money away.
Speaker 2: I want people to create just a scenario of awareness
Speaker 2: around how you feel and how you think when you
Speaker 2: receive money, when you pay money, when you look at
Speaker 2: your bank account, when you open your purse, your wallet,
Speaker 2: and just notice how do I feel? Do I have
Speaker 2: shallow breathing? Do I feel relaxed? Do I feel anxious?
Speaker 2: Do I feel scarce? Do I feel abundant? Just Step
Speaker 2: one is have awareness on how do I feel and
Speaker 2: how do I think about my money? The money I have,
Speaker 2: the money that's coming in and the money that's going out.
Speaker 2: That's step one. And when you can just have awareness
Speaker 2: around it, you can start to say, is my relationship
Speaker 2: the one that I want to be having? Do I
Speaker 2: feel really secure around money? If not, okay, what's something
Speaker 2: I can think about? First? Let me think about my
Speaker 2: money story, the story of my life around money. We
Speaker 2: grow up as kids and we watch our parents in
Speaker 2: their relationship, and we tend to develop the relationship style
Speaker 2: of our parents. Unless we learn how to heal as
Speaker 2: a teenager and have some type of breakthrough. We're creating
Speaker 2: some type of attachment style based on what we see
Speaker 2: with our parents. But think about all the conversations your
Speaker 2: parents had around money, and if your parents didn't have
Speaker 2: a secure relationship, if they fought, did they fight about money?
Speaker 2: Were you involved in the conversation about how expensive things
Speaker 2: were about your school or sports or programs that they
Speaker 2: had to pay for they can afford. Did they argue,
Speaker 2: did they have challenges? Did they get divorced? Money is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest reasons people get divorced. It's one
Speaker 2: of the biggest arguments in marriage as well. So just notice,
Speaker 2: is my nervous system, is my body? Is my energy?
Speaker 2: Are my thoughts stressed out around money? Do I feel
Speaker 2: scarce or do I feel abundant? That's kind of step one,
Speaker 2: And then step two is understanding your money's story, because
Speaker 2: when you can reflect on your money's story, you can
Speaker 2: see what your money personality style is today and for
Speaker 2: many years, and we can talk about both of us
Speaker 2: thinking about our past. For many years, I didn't understand
Speaker 2: money growing up. We didn't have a lot growing up.
Speaker 2: We weren't completely poor, but I wasn't as well off
Speaker 2: as the other kids in my class, So I always
Speaker 2: felt a little bit beneath everyone else, and so my
Speaker 2: belief system was around that I'm just a little bit
Speaker 2: under everyone else. Everyone else is doing a little bit
Speaker 2: better than us. Sure we have a home and I'm
Speaker 2: going to school, but everyone's got rollerblades, I'm in sneakers.
Speaker 2: People have Nintendo. I don't have one. I'm reading a book,
Speaker 2: whatever it is. It was like I was a little
Speaker 2: bit beneath and that started to shape my story in
Speaker 2: my personality style. So I felt very insecure around money.
Speaker 2: And when I got it, I got really excited, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with it. So I
Speaker 2: was also afraid I was insecure and I was just
Speaker 2: unsure of it, and it really started to shape my
Speaker 2: personality style. Now. When I was in my teen years,
Speaker 2: my dad started to make more money and started to
Speaker 2: teach me a little bit, but I was still like,
Speaker 2: just I want to be a teenager. I don't want
Speaker 2: to think about this stuff. It seems confusing. I just
Speaker 2: want to have fun. In my twenties, when I got
Speaker 2: done playing football, I went to go pursue football, got
Speaker 2: injured and I was on my sister's couch for a
Speaker 2: year and a half and I had no money, and
Speaker 2: I just felt like, how am I going to make
Speaker 2: this work. How am I going to make money? I
Speaker 2: don't know what my skills are. I don't know what
Speaker 2: my talents are. This is in two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: when the economy was crashing, so it kind of felt
Speaker 2: like it is right now with inflation going up so
Speaker 2: much right now and people worried about money in the future.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand, and I needed to find money mentors
Speaker 2: to start teaching me how to learn about how I
Speaker 2: can receive money and spend it in a more efficient way.
Speaker 2: And that was kind of the journey of me starting
Speaker 2: to figure this out. But if we don't have the
Speaker 2: tools or the money knowledge, then we're always going to
Speaker 2: be stuck in our money story as our money personality style.
Speaker 2: And so it's getting to understand awareness. How does it
Speaker 2: feel when I receive money and I spend money? What
Speaker 2: is the history of the story around money for me?
Speaker 2: Did my parents fight that I feel anxious around money?
Speaker 2: I used to steal a lot when I was a kid,
Speaker 2: so I had some wounds around money. I had people
Speaker 2: steal from me as well. So I just had all
Speaker 2: these different wounds that I had to address and get
Speaker 2: clear on, and I had to learn how to start
Speaker 2: healing those money wounds. And again, I know this is
Speaker 2: the place to come to create more wholeness, to be
Speaker 2: healthier in your life, and to become more healed. And
Speaker 2: that's what I want for people to start to reflect
Speaker 2: on their money story, write down some of these things
Speaker 2: so you have awareness first off, on why you think
Speaker 2: and feel the way you do around money. Then you
Speaker 2: can start to see how your personality style towards money
Speaker 2: now is either helping you create more abundance or keeping
Speaker 2: you in scarcity, in lack. And from there we can
Speaker 2: start to have some breakthroughs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about all three because as I'm listening
Speaker 1: to you, I'm thinking that for most of us, when
Speaker 1: we get aware, we actually realize we don't even want
Speaker 1: to look at our finances now, right, That's how we
Speaker 1: all feel because we're so scared and there's been such
Speaker 1: a fear built around money that it's like I don't
Speaker 1: even want to know because I'm so scared. Now when
Speaker 1: I get my paycheck, I'm thinking, oh God, I hope
Speaker 1: this covers my rent, my groceries, my bills, whatever else
Speaker 1: I've got to cover. And then that becomes your stress point,
Speaker 1: and then you're thinking oh gosh, I haven't got enough
Speaker 1: to spend on this thing that I really wanted to do,
Speaker 1: or I wanted to do something for my kids, or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So now there's stress. And so
Speaker 1: I think for most people, when you actually get awareenes
Speaker 1: you start realizing it's stress.
Speaker 2: And it's never enough, and it's never enough, never making enough.
Speaker 2: And also, I've got one hundred thousand in student loan debt.
Speaker 2: I have this other credit because I wanted to go
Speaker 2: on a trip, or I had a medical expense that
Speaker 2: unexpected that came up. Like so many people are struggling
Speaker 2: to be figuring out how to get out of debt.
Speaker 2: They have this weight that's carrying them back. But they
Speaker 2: still want to feel like they're free to live a
Speaker 2: life of their dreams. They want to be able to
Speaker 2: go on a trip with a friend a few times
Speaker 2: a year. They want to go to those expensive concerts.
Speaker 2: They want to have fun still, but they're unfortunately in
Speaker 2: a lot of debt. So there's something that's pulling them
Speaker 2: back as they're trying to go forward, and they feel
Speaker 2: like there's no way to break free. They think about
Speaker 2: the rising costs of eggs, the inflation, how everything is
Speaker 2: just constant. You can't afford a home anymore. All these
Speaker 2: things seem impossible to break through. But people want to
Speaker 2: feel free, but they don't feel emotionally free because of
Speaker 2: all the baggage they have in their life. And that's
Speaker 2: what I want people to start to feel, is how
Speaker 2: can you feel emotionally free so that your money can
Speaker 2: come to you effortlessly and when it leaves you, it's
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. And the more we relax, more
Speaker 2: we can receive. And so if I'm tight and I'm
Speaker 2: always anxious, or I'm not willing to look at my
Speaker 2: bank account because I'm afraid of what's in there, how
Speaker 2: are we able to receive more and spend more freely?
Speaker 2: And I think for many years I was able to.
Speaker 2: I learned how to make money, but I didn't learn
Speaker 2: how to spend money, and so I just hoarded it
Speaker 2: because I was afraid to go back being broken my
Speaker 2: sister's couch. I didn't want to go be broke again,
Speaker 2: so I just stashed it away into my bank account
Speaker 2: and just like okay, I would have just wait for
Speaker 2: it to grow so I feel safe. But that was
Speaker 2: almost like a prison in a sense. Emotionally because I
Speaker 2: didn't feel free to spend it. I was still sleeping
Speaker 2: on friends couches. I had a million dollars in the bank,
Speaker 2: and I was sleeping on friends couches. I was sitting
Speaker 2: in the middle seat, the cheapest seat I could on
Speaker 2: buses or on planes, and I'd always be like, man,
Speaker 2: I'm so uncomfortable. The next day, like my back hurts,
Speaker 2: like I'm just I'm not feeling free because I was afraid.
Speaker 2: I was anxious to lose money, and that is not
Speaker 2: emotional freedom, that is not healing. And I remember thinking
Speaker 2: to myself, God, I've got that. I'm starting to make money.
Speaker 2: It was like years into my business. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm financially free, but I'm still trapped. What is holding
Speaker 2: me back? And I realized a lot of it was
Speaker 2: my money story and my money personality style that I
Speaker 2: need to start working on. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's the thing that you ever like, I've arrived and
Speaker 2: I'm perfect and now I'm like this zen master at money.
Speaker 2: It's a constant back to awareness. It's a constant practice
Speaker 2: of awareness and breaking through those limitations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what I'm thinking about when I'm hearing
Speaker 1: you is if me and you went back to a
Speaker 1: place in our life where we really didn't have money. Yes,
Speaker 1: And you think about someone who's in that position, who's
Speaker 1: listening to us right now, and in their head they're thinking,
Speaker 1: but how do I become abundant when I don't have well,
Speaker 1: Like my natural thing is like I'm just struggling to
Speaker 1: pay my next bill, and me and you have both
Speaker 1: been in those situations. I remember when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a house where we had just enough.
Speaker 1: That was the language my parents used. We have just enough,
Speaker 1: and my parents would often argue about money. I remember
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to buy cool shoes and stuff I'd
Speaker 1: have like the knockoff, cheapest brand from whatever, which was.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't have an issue with that. I didn't
Speaker 1: have an issue with any of it because we had
Speaker 1: food and that was my normality. But it's really interesting
Speaker 1: because the amount of times growing up. I started working
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen, and I think that gave me
Speaker 1: a really interesting sense of how hard it was to
Speaker 1: make money. Because I started working at fourteen, I used
Speaker 1: to get paid two pounds per street that I delivered newspapers,
Speaker 1: So imagine there's a hundred houses, it's going to take me.
Speaker 2: Like not per house, no, no, no street, per street.
Speaker 1: So I did five streets, and so I'd get ten
Speaker 1: pounds at the end of the week if I did
Speaker 1: five streets and each street would take me at least
Speaker 1: an hour. Maybe I don't know, something like that. And
Speaker 1: so I'd walk around, I'd pull this thing and I'd
Speaker 1: deliver it, and I got an understanding of how hard
Speaker 1: it was to make money. But then that became a
Speaker 1: story for me, going to your point, making money is hard,
Speaker 1: making money is hard, and that there's only a certain
Speaker 1: amount of money you're allowed to make at this level,
Speaker 1: like you're a fourteen year old. Then I worked in retail.
Speaker 1: I stacked shelves at a grocery store. I worked at
Speaker 1: a store called Morrison's, which is like working at Walmart.
Speaker 1: And there I remember, I got paid like five pounds
Speaker 1: an hour, and then you get like time and a
Speaker 1: half if you work the weekends in the evenings. All
Speaker 1: of this to say that I probably spent my whole
Speaker 1: life only seeing zero in my bank account because everything
Speaker 1: that would come in would pay for my phone bill,
Speaker 1: my car insurance that I paid for whatever it was
Speaker 1: that I was taking care of so I wasn't relying
Speaker 1: on my parents apart from I lived in their home obviously,
Speaker 1: But I always felt like money came in, money went out,
Speaker 1: And my story around money was people who have money
Speaker 1: are doing something bad. So I lived in a home.
Speaker 1: Whenever we went to a friend's home and they had
Speaker 1: a nice home, my family would always say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they do dodgy stuff to make money. All the
Speaker 1: language around money was people with money are doing bad stuff.
Speaker 1: So in my head it was like, Oh, if you
Speaker 1: have money, then you must be doing shady stuff because
Speaker 1: we don't have money and we're not doing anything right.
Speaker 2: You must be hurting people to make.
Speaker 1: Money correct in some way, exploiting advantage, Yeah, take your
Speaker 1: advantage whatever. So everything you're saying is so true because
Speaker 1: then when I got to a point in my life
Speaker 1: where I was just trying to do good and I
Speaker 1: had something like one hundred and fifty two hundred million
Speaker 1: views on content and you have no money, I was
Speaker 1: four months away from being I I met you around
Speaker 1: this time this time, and it was really interesting to
Speaker 1: me because that was the time that I was actually
Speaker 1: doing this work, which is why this book so powerful,
Speaker 1: Because I realized that I couldn't even with one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred million views. It wasn't that that
Speaker 1: made money because my story and my personality style was anxious.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was wrong to make money, Like
Speaker 1: that's actually what it was. I felt like making money
Speaker 1: was bad. And so until I got to that, did you.
Speaker 2: Believe you're worthy of making more money?
Speaker 1: I believed I was worthy, but I believe that you
Speaker 1: had to be bad to make money.
Speaker 2: Wow. So you didn't want to be bad. You don't
Speaker 2: want to have a lot of money and associate I
Speaker 2: have a lot of money, and now I'm bad.
Speaker 1: Correct, I'm bad and wrong.
Speaker 2: And I'm hurting others in order to tell it myself.
Speaker 1: Correct because good people are poor wow. Right, Like to
Speaker 1: be a good person of good character means to not
Speaker 1: have money.
Speaker 2: Wow. And that was based on a belief system that you.
Speaker 1: Developed over time that I didn't even know, Like if
Speaker 1: you would have told me about this eight years ago,
Speaker 1: to me, I don't know, which is why I think
Speaker 1: these reflections are so important. People. So when you're in
Speaker 1: that place, taking your story as well, taking my story,
Speaker 1: how do we start to rewrite that story now that
Speaker 1: we're aware.
Speaker 2: Well's so powerful that you said that. And I remember
Speaker 2: this vividly because I met you on Halloween twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: right eight years ago, and I said, like, cancel the day,
Speaker 2: Let's just hang out all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you had a book coming out of that.
Speaker 2: I had a book of that about that day on Halloween,
Speaker 2: which is called the Basket Masculinity. Anyways, how do we
Speaker 2: rewire our brain around money to create more abundance.
Speaker 1: When you have nothing, when you have lack?
Speaker 2: How do we rewire our brain to create abundance when
Speaker 2: you have nothing and you don't know how to earn
Speaker 2: more money. The first thing I think you need to
Speaker 2: be aware of is that your beliefs dictate your behaviors.
Speaker 2: So if you believe that money is bad or people
Speaker 2: who make a lot of money are bad and take
Speaker 2: advantage of others, and therefore me having lack right now
Speaker 2: means I'm a good person and I don't want to
Speaker 2: become a bad person, then that belief is going to
Speaker 2: dictate your behaviors and you're going to stay in lack.
Speaker 2: You're going to stay in scarcity, and you're going to
Speaker 2: see opportunities that only give you just enough as opposed
Speaker 2: to opportunities that could create incredible wealth for yourself financially,
Speaker 2: but also an emotional wealth that you've never had before.
Speaker 2: So that's one of the things you want to understand.
Speaker 2: It's first that your beliefs dictate your behaviors.
Speaker 1: That's a big one, by the way, That's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that. I just want to plant that out for people,
Speaker 1: like that's so.
Speaker 2: True because your belief. Your belief got you to a
Speaker 2: place of I am impacting hundreds of millions of people
Speaker 2: from these videos that I created with my talents, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how to make money with them, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if I actually should because then I
Speaker 2: could be bad and wrong or people could perceive me
Speaker 2: as I did something bad to make this money correct
Speaker 2: And I'm a spiritual person, I'm a monk, I've done
Speaker 2: all these things. I don't want to have that life,
Speaker 2: but I want to make an impact and I don't
Speaker 2: want to be poor. So I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people are struggling with that mindset.
Speaker 1: What are the other ones you hear? What are the
Speaker 1: other focusing on that belief?
Speaker 2: Spherit?
Speaker 1: What are you hearing from people about there? But that's
Speaker 1: my belief and that's very much my history and story.
Speaker 1: As you said, what other stuff do you hear from people?
Speaker 2: The biggest shift that will create abundance in your life
Speaker 2: is a mindset habit in unlocking wealth for yourself. And
Speaker 2: one of the big lies, one of the big blocks
Speaker 2: that holds people back from financial opportunity is that I
Speaker 2: I cannot be generous with my time, my wisdom, my knowledge,
Speaker 2: or my secrets to others because if I am, they
Speaker 2: will take it and run with it and I will
Speaker 2: be left with nothing. So therefore I'm going to hoard
Speaker 2: my energy. I'm going to hold my time, my knowledge
Speaker 2: and only keep it to me so that others don't
Speaker 2: have good ideas or have my health. And from all
Speaker 2: the different billionaires and millionaires and financial leaders in the
Speaker 2: world that I've interviewed, I know you've interviewed a lot
Speaker 2: of them, there is a question. I would always ask
Speaker 2: individuals who've made incredible amounts of money and that keeps
Speaker 2: helping them create more wealth year after year, and they
Speaker 2: all say the same thing, those who have had a
Speaker 2: sustainably good heart in the process, is that you have
Speaker 2: to have a generous mindset. So the mindset habit is
Speaker 2: the first thing that you have to think about when
Speaker 2: creating abundance with your money, but also feeling abundant internally,
Speaker 2: and it's coming with generosity. So if you feel like
Speaker 2: you're stuck right now, if you feel like you have nothing,
Speaker 2: this was what you were at eight years ago when
Speaker 2: I met you. This was where I was at fifteen
Speaker 2: years ago, when I was on my sister's couch. I
Speaker 2: had no money, I was in student loan debt. I
Speaker 2: was sleeping on her couch. I didn't think I had
Speaker 2: any skills. I didn't have a college degree yet. I
Speaker 2: was like, how am I going to make money if
Speaker 2: I don't know how to make money and I don't
Speaker 2: have any talent or skill and I'm in debt. It
Speaker 2: didn't understand it. It felt impossible. And the thing that
Speaker 2: I shifted when I started meeting money mentors is I
Speaker 2: needed to learn the first habit, which is the mindset habit,
Speaker 2: which is a habit of generosity and gratitude.
Speaker 1: What did that look like then? What was the practical step?
Speaker 2: What it looks like was how do I meet money people.
Speaker 2: People who have money, people who have success, people can
Speaker 2: teach me knowledge. I needed to come with a sense
Speaker 2: of energy, of curiosity, of possibilities, and of joy. I
Speaker 2: literally wrote a list down of all these different things
Speaker 2: that I thought were my talents. I go, how can
Speaker 2: I make money? I don't have any skills. I played
Speaker 2: football and now I'm injured. What can I do for people?
Speaker 2: But I was like, well, I'm really curious. Maybe I
Speaker 2: can just ask people questions. And never did I think
Speaker 2: in a million years that I could have a twelve
Speaker 2: year old podcast just asking questions and make millions of
Speaker 2: dollars a year. I never thought that was possible. I
Speaker 2: was in my early twenties and I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I've got a lot of energy. I've got
Speaker 2: a lot of passion, So let me bring passion and
Speaker 2: energy to other people and excitement. And that energy was infectious.
Speaker 2: And there's a currency that's tied to that energy of passion, joy, excitement, curiosity.
Speaker 2: That currency may not look like money, but for those
Speaker 2: who are older, who have no more passion, they're burnt out,
Speaker 2: they're exhausted, it is the highest form of currency. They
Speaker 2: want that. They crave that energy. They've burned themselves out
Speaker 2: for decades. They want to feel young again, they want
Speaker 2: to feel curious, again. They want to feel excited again.
Speaker 2: And when you come to someone with that energy, you
Speaker 2: are bringing a different mindset. So the mindset of curiosity, joy, passion, presence,
Speaker 2: like just connecting with someone and ask them a question,
Speaker 2: is such a valuable currency. So we have to look
Speaker 2: into these untapped skills talents inside of us that are
Speaker 2: hidden to others, but inside of us they can create magic.
Speaker 2: That's one of them. Another one is just being generous
Speaker 2: with your time, with your resources, with your ideas and
Speaker 2: helping others succeed.
Speaker 1: I love that because I didn't even know that then,
Speaker 1: but I was doing it unconsciously. Yes, you were so
Speaker 1: I really wanted to interview incredible people, but I didn't
Speaker 1: have a platform at the time when I met you,
Speaker 1: and so I'd partner it up with Nasdak. And by
Speaker 1: the way, just to be really clear with everyone, I
Speaker 1: didn't get paid to do this. So Nasdak had something
Speaker 1: where everyone's using Facebook Live and I said, Hey, could
Speaker 1: I have an hour in the Nasdak building whenever I
Speaker 1: have an amazing guest that says yes, so that I
Speaker 1: can interview them on Nasdak Live. And they would put
Speaker 1: the picture up on the middle of Times Square on
Speaker 1: a billboard, So now I could reach out to people
Speaker 1: I look it up to.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why I'm on the show.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I didn't know who you were until I saw, hey,
Speaker 2: I can get you on a billboard on Times Square.
Speaker 2: I go, that's value to value.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm being generous and I'm trying to find
Speaker 1: a way because I don't have anything to offer. But
Speaker 1: I admire you. And it was all people I admired.
Speaker 1: It was yourself, it was Ryan Holiday said yes, Me
Speaker 1: and Ryan had met maybe once before that, but Ryan
Speaker 1: came on that show, and there were a bunch of
Speaker 1: other authors. Deepak Choper came on that show with me,
Speaker 1: and it was all people that I'd admired, looked up
Speaker 1: to for a long time, and exactly that that's first
Speaker 1: of all, we became great friends off of it. But
Speaker 1: the point is, it's exactly what you're saying that even
Speaker 1: though I felt I had nothing to offer, I had
Speaker 1: to find a way to create something to offer someone
Speaker 1: of value. I didn't get paid for it for that show,
Speaker 1: I didn't get paid to run it. I didn't make
Speaker 1: any money from it, but it created an opportunity for
Speaker 1: me to connect with friends to connect with people that
Speaker 1: were doing incredible things. Yes, and of course allowed me
Speaker 1: to showcase my talents so that then I could show
Speaker 1: it to other people. I remember I had Ryan Harwood
Speaker 1: on the show who founded Pure Wow, and he just
Speaker 1: sold it to Gary Vee. That's how I met Gary.
Speaker 1: So Ryan came on my show and he was just like, Jay,
Speaker 1: I love you. You're a great interviewer, Like you have
Speaker 1: such great energy. He really liked my passion and he said,
Speaker 1: you got to come meet Gary. And I was like,
Speaker 1: no way, Like I love Gary. And so he took
Speaker 1: me to meet Gary for the first time. We had
Speaker 1: a meeting in his office, and that's how I built
Speaker 1: my relationship with him. It was all thanks to Ryan.
Speaker 1: And so when you think about it now, I've never
Speaker 1: thought about it until what you're saying now. When I
Speaker 1: look back, Ryan's been on the podcast like four times
Speaker 1: now whatever. I love his books. So many relationships came
Speaker 1: out of that. And so I think when you live
Speaker 1: in a world of I have nothing to offer and
Speaker 1: I don't have anything, it becomes really hard to create.
Speaker 2: And most people think when I have nothing, I need
Speaker 2: to take from someone else. Yes, I don't have anything,
Speaker 2: So I can't give anything if I don't have it.
Speaker 2: So I need someone to give me money right now
Speaker 2: because I'm broke, I'm poor, I'm stuck, I'm stressed, I'm anxious.
Speaker 2: I can't think out of myself. And this first habit
Speaker 2: is really gratitude and generosity is the gateway to abundance.
Speaker 2: And it may not mean you're gonna make money right away.
Speaker 2: You didn't make money by having me on the show
Speaker 2: right away, but we became friends. I helped you, you
Speaker 2: helped me. Over time, we helped each other create more
Speaker 2: abundance together, not only financially, which we've done together, but
Speaker 2: a type of richness that isn't about money. And this
Speaker 2: book again it's it's a money book, but it's really like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how much money you have if you
Speaker 2: don't feel like you have a rich life inside of you,
Speaker 2: that's real. It does not matter how much is in
Speaker 2: your bank account, how big your net worth is. If
Speaker 2: you don't feel like you have an abundant life, if
Speaker 2: you're stressed, if you're overwhelmed, if you're anxious, if you're
Speaker 2: constantly in drama, that is not abundance. A high net
Speaker 2: worth does not mean you are free, and the goal
Speaker 2: is for us to feel free every moment of our
Speaker 2: lives as often as possible and allow money to be
Speaker 2: a tool to create in credible opportunities, memories, moments where
Speaker 2: you can be generous with it with the people you
Speaker 2: care about, the cause you care about, the institutions you
Speaker 2: care about, to serve more people and feel good about
Speaker 2: doing it, not feel bad about doing it. And that's
Speaker 2: part of this process. Most people, when they lack money,
Speaker 2: they want to take from others. They want someone to
Speaker 2: help them, and you need to flip it on its
Speaker 2: head and say, how can I help others even when
Speaker 2: I have nothing? That is the time to be more
Speaker 2: generous and more gratitude and say thank you for this opportunity,
Speaker 2: even if you have to just lie to yourself for
Speaker 2: a moment and say I'm stuck, I'm on my sister's couch,
Speaker 2: i have no money, I'm four months and four months
Speaker 2: I'm going to be out of an apartment and I
Speaker 2: don't know where the money is coming. Just say thank
Speaker 2: you God, thank you your nervous for this opportunity to learn,
Speaker 2: this opportunity to grow, because I'll never be here again.
Speaker 2: Interview I don't know if you've had Ken Honda on,
Speaker 2: but he really and he's so cool. I love this
Speaker 2: approach to this and he's talking similar style about how
Speaker 2: do you just live a rich life irrelevant of whether
Speaker 2: you have money or not. And again, this is what
Speaker 2: I want people to get to. When you are poor,
Speaker 2: when you're broke, when you're struggling financially, it feels really
Speaker 2: hard to feel abundant and rich, and we want to
Speaker 2: start shifting our thoughts or emotions and our energy on. Okay,
Speaker 2: I know I'm in this financial situation. It doesn't feel good,
Speaker 2: But in order to get out of it, it's not
Speaker 2: feeling worse about it. It's starting to feel better about me,
Speaker 2: better about my values, my character, my kindness, my generosity,
Speaker 2: and seeing how can I add value to others. And
Speaker 2: that's the first thing we need to be thinking about.
Speaker 2: How can I get into a richness inside of me
Speaker 2: to serve others and take care of me at the
Speaker 2: same time. And one of the practices or these social
Speaker 2: experiments or exercises similar to you that Ken has is
Speaker 2: that whenever money comes to him, whether it's a check,
Speaker 2: whether it's a Venmo payment, whatever might be, he just
Speaker 2: says thank you to that money. He looks at that number.
Speaker 2: If it's a penny, if it's a million dollars, if
Speaker 2: it's your normal check you get coming in in the
Speaker 2: mail every two weeks, he looks at it and says
Speaker 2: thank you, and literally opens his heart and loves that
Speaker 2: money that comes to him. He says, thank you. Where
Speaker 2: do you want to go? Do you want to go
Speaker 2: to my bank account? Do you want to go to
Speaker 2: my savings? Do you want to go to investments? Do
Speaker 2: you want to go towards paying off debt? Do you
Speaker 2: want me to give you away? And it might be
Speaker 2: a weird kind of like exercise, but I love this
Speaker 2: approach to just being mindful of money when it comes,
Speaker 2: say thank you. And then when you pay bills, when
Speaker 2: you pay off debt, say thank you as well. Thank
Speaker 2: you for allowing me to pay off this debt. Thank
Speaker 2: you for paying myself on bill so I can call
Speaker 2: my friends and family that I love. Thank you for
Speaker 2: the ability to live a richer life. And when we
Speaker 2: start to approach money in that way, it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: money's going to fall from the sky and come to
Speaker 2: us abundantly, but we're going to start to feel more
Speaker 2: rich and abundant internally, which that energy is what will
Speaker 2: act more opportunities. Those opportunities could lead to millions. This
Speaker 2: hostess that came to you, she brought that thankful energy,
Speaker 2: that present energy, that loving, joyful, curious energy, and it
Speaker 2: created an abundance of opportunities and connection.
Speaker 1: You've reminded me of two really amazing things that I
Speaker 1: love that I want to throw out because they're not us,
Speaker 1: it's about other people. Last night, I was at a
Speaker 1: premiere of a new show coming out in Hulu called
Speaker 1: Deli Boys. It's a full South Asian cast. I was
Speaker 1: really excited to be just at the premiere and just
Speaker 1: seeing my friends, like, you know, do this amazing thing.
Speaker 1: And it was fascinating because me and Lily Sing were together,
Speaker 1: you know Lily, and so me and Lily were together
Speaker 1: and were hanging out and this guy said, hey, can
Speaker 1: I film you for two seconds? He was working at
Speaker 1: the event, and I believe this is what he does
Speaker 1: on his own. I don't know his name, but I'll
Speaker 1: have to find it. And he took a quick swipe
Speaker 1: of Lily like one show and she was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Jay, you got to do this. He took
Speaker 1: a quick side with me. He edited it on the
Speaker 1: spot and he created this amazing real of the event,
Speaker 1: like and he was just doing it with quick and
Speaker 1: he was taking like two seconds of our time. I
Speaker 1: merely both turn around and go, is this what you do?
Speaker 1: Like how can we work with her? And like, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was it was such a great skill and
Speaker 1: he was showcasing his talent. He didn't ask us, he
Speaker 1: didn't charge us, he didn't ask for us or anything.
Speaker 1: He showed us his talent, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: both of us were like this. A few months ago,
Speaker 1: I went to a restaurant that I had never been
Speaker 1: to with some friends. This wasn't like a fancy restaurant
Speaker 1: just you know, it was a great restaurant, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't like fancy or anything like that. The lady who
Speaker 1: was hosting, she had so much energy and so much passion.
Speaker 1: She was like taking our order. But then when we
Speaker 1: asked her for a recommendation, she knew every detail and
Speaker 1: like she got three job offers at that table, Me
Speaker 1: and my friend and everyone like what do you do?
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? Like, yeah, let's hire you.
Speaker 1: Because we just there was such an energy, And so
Speaker 1: what you're saying is so true because I'm now looking
Speaker 1: back at my own life and thinking about moments where
Speaker 1: I've had that visceral reaction to someone. And she was
Speaker 1: like this what I want to do? This my dream?
Speaker 1: And one of my mates was like, all right, well
Speaker 1: let's connect, Like you know, he thinks she could work
Speaker 1: with him. But it was again the same thing you're saying.
Speaker 1: It was just energy and passion.
Speaker 2: Energy she didn't have any other she didn't have. It
Speaker 2: didn't matter about her college. It doesn't matter what skill
Speaker 2: other skills you have. If you have energy, passion, and
Speaker 2: a curiosity to care about someone, you can go so
Speaker 2: far in that potential relationship. Speaking about you know, hostess
Speaker 2: or waiters or waitresses, there were studies that psychologists did
Speaker 2: around tipping and waiters, and I don't know the exact statistic.
Speaker 2: I know is over a certain amount, but I don't
Speaker 2: know the exact percentage. But there are three things that
Speaker 2: you can do as a waiter to make more money.
Speaker 2: It is higher tips based on psychology and these studies.
Speaker 2: One is just introducing yourself and saying your name. My
Speaker 2: name is Lewis Howes, what's your name? Thanks for being
Speaker 2: here today. Saying your name creates a deeper connection. I
Speaker 2: agree making a recommend of something you said. She was
Speaker 2: making recommendations, and you know, making a recommendation, Hey, I
Speaker 2: really recommend this if you're into this or these are
Speaker 2: the best two options I would recommend gets you a
Speaker 2: higher chance of getting a better tip and complimenting the
Speaker 2: person on their food choice. I'll have the burger or
Speaker 2: the vegan burger. That's a great choice. Those three things
Speaker 2: will increase your ability to earn more tips. And it's
Speaker 2: not like you had some other skill. You just created
Speaker 2: connection with someone and you were trying to bring that
Speaker 2: energy to them. And money is an energy and how
Speaker 2: we think and how we feel will dictate the energy
Speaker 2: we have towards it. And also you create money through
Speaker 2: your energy. And so she had a certain energy with you,
Speaker 2: and you're like, man, this is amazing. You're recommending it
Speaker 2: to millions of people about this person that you just
Speaker 2: met for the first time. It's like you could create
Speaker 2: so many opportunities for not only financial abundance, but spiritual
Speaker 2: abundance by bringing generosity, curiosity, energy, joy and love to
Speaker 2: someone's life. And it doesn't have to take hours. This
Speaker 2: was five minutes of this person's time. She got three
Speaker 2: job offers over that night. Yeah, she could have had
Speaker 2: a different energy and said okay, here's your table, sit down,
Speaker 2: and she would have had nothing. But she could have
Speaker 2: went to Harvard and had all these other skills, and
Speaker 2: none of that would have mattered without the energy she brought.
Speaker 1: People who don't know this story or have forgotten about it,
Speaker 1: like de Rock and Gary Vee, like that's their journey, right,
Speaker 1: Like de Rock basically went up to Gary and was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll just edit videos for you for free. And now
Speaker 1: he's been traveling the world with Gary for the last
Speaker 1: god knows how long they work.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's such a great guy and he's awesome
Speaker 1: and it's just but it all came from that, the
Speaker 1: idea of hey, I'm just going to edit these videos
Speaker 1: for you and doing.
Speaker 2: That and again going back to what we said before,
Speaker 2: when you have no money, when you're broke, when you
Speaker 2: feel stressed, out, overwhelmed, burnt out, you lost your job,
Speaker 2: you feel like you need help, and you may need help,
Speaker 2: and the best way to abundance is to go from
Speaker 2: help lessness to help fullness. So instead of saying I
Speaker 2: feel helpless. I don't know what to do. You've got
Speaker 2: to flip in and say, how can I be helpful?
Speaker 2: How can I help myself but by also helping someone else?
Speaker 2: How can I shift out of this negative energy into
Speaker 2: an energy of abundance, which is so hard to do
Speaker 2: when you have nothing. I remember for a year and
Speaker 2: a half feeling trapped on my sister's couch with no money,
Speaker 2: thinking how am I going to do this? And there's
Speaker 2: just guys to be a decision where you say, I'm
Speaker 2: going to get up and I'm going to get out
Speaker 2: of this funk, out of this energy and choose and
Speaker 2: decide to bring energy to someone else without asking for
Speaker 2: anything return. And when you do that, you'll start to
Speaker 2: build momentum, and that's what's going to help you get
Speaker 2: to the next level.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like you said, the seasonal side of things,
Speaker 2: Like when I was just getting started making money. This
Speaker 2: is in two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: twenty ten. I was using LinkedIn as a platform and
Speaker 2: a tool to meet CEOs, executives and business leaders, and
Speaker 2: I was helping them originally with their LinkedIn profile and
Speaker 2: it's just saying, hey, how can I help you optimize
Speaker 2: your profile? I see that it's missing some things here,
Speaker 2: I'll do it for free. And I did this to
Speaker 2: build relationships with them, and through that they just all
Speaker 2: wanted to help me and give back to me. And
Speaker 2: then eventually someone said, hey, i'll pay you for this.
Speaker 2: This is really helpful. And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can make money on LinkedIn. It's not what I wanted
Speaker 2: to do, but I had a skill to do it
Speaker 2: right then. So I did that for a few years,
Speaker 2: and once I had that foundation, I used that money
Speaker 2: to launch this School of Greatness as well, because I
Speaker 2: had a couple of years of runway now and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to do that forever, but I did it
Speaker 2: for the season. I got skills, I made money, and
Speaker 2: I created a sense of freedom for myself to do
Speaker 2: what I really wanted to do later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you have to say to people who
Speaker 1: are saying that you can manifest money? Do you agree
Speaker 1: with that idea of It's an interesting story.
Speaker 2: I was in New York last week and I said
Speaker 2: to myself, and I have a lot of these different
Speaker 2: exercises and games in the book to just give people
Speaker 2: as social experiments. I think it's really powerful to give
Speaker 2: yourself experiment because I think when you experiment, you allow
Speaker 2: yourself to explore possibilities. And when you create an experiment
Speaker 2: for yourself, you allow for the idea of magic to
Speaker 2: enter your life. So I want you to just as
Speaker 2: you're watching or listening, I want you to say, I
Speaker 2: allow for magic and abundance to manifest in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm going to create a possibility that this can happen
Speaker 2: in my life, a moment, a synchronicity, someone might call
Speaker 2: me out of the blue, someone might hand me money randomly.
Speaker 1: I'm going to allow for.
Speaker 2: This moment to happen, in this magic to happen. So
Speaker 2: I said to myself, I want to follow my own
Speaker 2: practices right. And I went to see our friend Mel
Speaker 2: Robbins in Boston, and then I was in New York
Speaker 2: for a few days and I just said to myself,
Speaker 2: money comes to me abundantly and freely, and I see
Speaker 2: it everywhere. I just said this to myself every morning
Speaker 2: when I woke up and when I went out of
Speaker 2: the hotel, I said, money comes to me abundantly and freely,
Speaker 2: and I see it everywhere. And I'm a magnet for money.
Speaker 2: I'm a magnet for money. I just kept saying this energy.
Speaker 2: I'm a magnet for money. I was just playful, this
Speaker 2: social experiment. And when I was at Mel's, a penny
Speaker 2: dropped on the floor. Someone was carrying a box and
Speaker 2: a penny fell and I said, oh, look, money comes
Speaker 2: to me. I see it everywhere. It's a penny, and
Speaker 2: there's a point to this story. And I pick it
Speaker 2: up and I say, Mel, do you want this? And
Speaker 2: she goes, no, it's yours. And I go, thank you.
Speaker 2: I receive because when I relax, I receive, and I'm
Speaker 2: a magnet for money. Even it was a penny, I
Speaker 2: could notice it, and I was like, all right, it
Speaker 2: came to me. See here's a win, here's a little win.
Speaker 2: Let me do this again. The next day, go to
Speaker 2: a New York City and I'm in the subway and
Speaker 2: it's freezing right now in New York. It's like fifteen degrees.
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying this to myself in the subway,
Speaker 2: and I was like, get off the subway. I go
Speaker 2: up the stairs and it's freaking filthy in the New
Speaker 2: York subway, right and the stairs are dirty. And I
Speaker 2: see a penny heads up, and I thought to myself,
Speaker 2: this is filthy, this is dirty. It's not valuable, it's
Speaker 2: not enough money. I don't need to pick this up.
Speaker 2: But I was like, no, I'm doing this experiment. Money
Speaker 2: comes to me abundantly and freely. I'm a magnet for money,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna manifest money, right And so I see
Speaker 2: it's heads up, I pick it up, put it in
Speaker 2: my pocket, and I just say, thank you, money for
Speaker 2: coming to me. The next day, I put it on
Speaker 2: my bedside table. I don't think anything of it. The
Speaker 2: next day, I wake up and I look at this penny,
Speaker 2: and I said, because I'm doing this experiment every day,
Speaker 2: I'm a magnet for money. Money comes from me abundantly
Speaker 2: and freely. And I look at it as a reminder.
Speaker 2: These two pennies. Look, this is a reminder that money
Speaker 2: came to me. Maybe it's not thousands of dollars or
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. It's not something that's magically right here,
Speaker 2: but it's a reminder that something is possible. And I
Speaker 2: flipped over this one penn.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I looked at the penny because it was heads up,
Speaker 2: and I noticed something. I go, oh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: It said nineteen forty five on this penny. That's an
Speaker 2: eighty year old penny. And I go, huh, that's unique.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen a penny that old in a long time.
Speaker 2: And I flip it over and I noticed something and
Speaker 2: I get chills thinking about it. I notice it's a
Speaker 2: wheat penny. I don't know if you know what a
Speaker 2: wheat penny is. So a wheat penny looks different than
Speaker 2: a normal penny. It's got like two stalks of wheat
Speaker 2: on the outside of the penny. It says old penny.
Speaker 2: And I look it up and I google nineteen forty
Speaker 2: five wheat penny value and one just sold. I kid,
Speaker 2: you know, I get chills thinking about it. One just
Speaker 2: sold guess for how much? I have no idea four
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. No online one sold for four thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Now it's all based on the condition and all these
Speaker 2: different things like who knows. Maybe it's worth twenty dollars,
Speaker 2: maybe it's worth five thousand dollars, maybe it's worth one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. But the idea is that there was more
Speaker 2: value inside of that penny than what met the eye originally,
Speaker 2: and the experiment of let me be open to possibilities
Speaker 2: for money to come to me, and what I thought
Speaker 2: was two pennies might be two thousand dollars and all
Speaker 2: I had to do was be willing to look for it,
Speaker 2: be willing to pick it up and say I receive
Speaker 2: thank you. If I didn't look for if I didn't
Speaker 2: set that intention, if I didn't see the possibilities in
Speaker 2: front of me, I may not have received that penny
Speaker 2: that could have been worth thousands. And it's the same
Speaker 2: thing in life. We may not see the opportunity in
Speaker 2: front of us right now. We may not reach out
Speaker 2: to the people we already know and say, hey, this
Speaker 2: is what I'm looking to create in my life. I
Speaker 2: have these skills, I have these talents. Is there anything
Speaker 2: that you need right now that I can be of
Speaker 2: service for you with? And that's for that first year.
Speaker 2: How you created multiple six figures in that first year
Speaker 2: when you had nothing was reaching out to hundreds of people.
Speaker 2: That was you either setting the intention, seeing that there
Speaker 2: might be possibilities, and doing the work to manifest hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands that first six months. So by doing that effort,
Speaker 2: setting the intention by saying I'm open to possibilities, I'm
Speaker 2: open to receiving opportunities that come to me, but I
Speaker 2: have to be willing to look for them. I have
Speaker 2: to be willing to ask for them. I have to
Speaker 2: be willing to put myself out there and receive and say, yes,
Speaker 2: thank you, I will do this work. And that's what
Speaker 2: I think people need to be thinking about. Can you
Speaker 2: manifest millions? Yes, if you're willing to set a clear intention,
Speaker 2: if you're willing to reach out and say here's what
Speaker 2: I'm willing to offer and add value in I want
Speaker 2: to help you achieve these goals, you're creating more potential
Speaker 2: to manifest money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that Penny story because I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a bit about what I do, and I do a
Speaker 1: similar thing and it comes from my tradition.
Speaker 2: So do you have a money mantra?
Speaker 1: No? I don't say something, but I'll tell you about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in our tradition, there's a god or a goddess
Speaker 1: for each aspect of society money and so there is
Speaker 1: God and there's there's one God, but then there's loads
Speaker 1: of different gods for different departments of society, kind of
Speaker 1: like you have a president or a prime minister, and
Speaker 1: then you have like the cabinet and that who's the
Speaker 1: money god. So it's a goddess called Luxhmi. That's lu me, yeah,
Speaker 1: and lux me means wealth or fortunes.
Speaker 2: It's like luxury almost luxury.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where it comes from. But luxury is the
Speaker 1: goddess of fortune or the goddess of wealth, and so
Speaker 1: you would never ever put your foot on a goddess.
Speaker 1: So whenever you're walking the streets and you see pennies around,
Speaker 1: you're never meant to just walk past them. You actually
Speaker 1: meant to pick them up and put them to your head.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like part of our culture. And
Speaker 1: so whenever I'm walking around the streets of New York
Speaker 1: or La wherever I am, or subways, I do the
Speaker 1: same thing. Interesting, I'll always pick it up and it's
Speaker 1: really funny because someone who's with me will be like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like, you know, like, why are
Speaker 1: you doing that? I'm like, because I'm showing respect. I'm
Speaker 1: actually showing respect to the goddess of fortunes. And so
Speaker 1: that's what it is, is like, I'm showing respect to
Speaker 1: the goddess of fortune by picking it up and usually
Speaker 1: give that money to charity or whatever it may be.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not trying to keep on it. You
Speaker 1: may give it away whatever. But the point is you're saying,
Speaker 1: I'm not disrespecting the goddess of fortune. Wherever I see it,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful because I want to have a respectful relationship
Speaker 1: with money. I actually really love practices like that because
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to the point you're making
Speaker 1: that we have a relationship with everything. Every time you
Speaker 1: have a relationship with your body, you have relationship with
Speaker 1: your mind, you have a relationship with your partner, and
Speaker 1: you have a relationship with money. And so speaking to
Speaker 1: money and speaking about money is something you have to
Speaker 1: do if you want to love that thing and you
Speaker 1: want it to love you back. Right, if you never
Speaker 1: talk about your partner and you never talk to your partner.
Speaker 1: How are they going to love you? And how are
Speaker 1: you going to love this?
Speaker 2: Imagine you're you know, Rody for the next month. You
Speaker 2: never say thank you, Yeah, you never look her in
Speaker 2: the eyes, you never speak to her, you avoid her constantly.
Speaker 2: Imagine like your relationship's going to suffer. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you guys will figure it out, but imagine if
Speaker 2: that's a lifetime of a relationship, it cannot survive. And
Speaker 2: here's a great question that I want everyone to ask
Speaker 2: themselves and another exercise that I want everyone to think
Speaker 2: about right now, whether you're watching or listening, I want
Speaker 2: you to comment on the YouTube below what opened up
Speaker 2: for you during this moment. And I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you the exercise Jay. So imagine this door opens and
Speaker 2: it's a person, and this person is money. It's the
Speaker 2: idea of money. It's a person that walks in, right
Speaker 2: is money. And could you as an example for people
Speaker 2: to imagine this as well, what does that person look
Speaker 2: like when they come in? What would you do? What
Speaker 2: would you say or not say? Could you share kind
Speaker 2: of what that would be like for you? Money? A
Speaker 2: person walks in, they are money, They're the representation of
Speaker 2: your relationship with money, how would you show up and react?
Speaker 1: So in our culture because it would be luxury walking
Speaker 1: and I'll show you a visual. Ever afterwards, you would
Speaker 1: actually bow down, like you'd have that, and that's a
Speaker 1: sign of respect, not a sign of surrender or sebjugation,
Speaker 1: but a sign of respect, Like you'd bow you'd offer
Speaker 1: her whatever she wanted, Like you'd be like, what what
Speaker 1: do you need? Like, what would you like?
Speaker 2: What would you would you like?
Speaker 1: A place to sit, kind of like a guest in
Speaker 1: your like a generous home. You treat them like a
Speaker 1: guest in your home. Yeah, like what would you like?
Speaker 1: Can you can I get you somebody to drink? You know,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Obviously she's the godess, she don't
Speaker 1: need anything, but the point is that's how the hospitality
Speaker 1: would still be carried through.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: And then you'd thank her as well. Like there you'd
Speaker 1: start every connection with the with the god or goddess
Speaker 1: with gratitude, and it'd be like a genuine appreciation and
Speaker 1: an ability to share how you feel, like I think
Speaker 1: being vulnerable and saying hey, like it's been really tough
Speaker 1: this month, Like I'm really struggling right now, like, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going through. I need your help, like
Speaker 1: a prayer almost interesting of sorts.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I asked I've been asking a lot
Speaker 2: of people this, and so I love to hear people's
Speaker 2: responses and be honest. And the YouTube comments below of
Speaker 2: your relationship with money? I asked someone close to me,
Speaker 2: someone younger, probably in the late twenties. I asked them,
Speaker 2: you know, if money walked in and you were at
Speaker 2: a party, how would you respond? And they said, I
Speaker 2: would run to the bar, I would not make eye contact.
Speaker 2: I would gossip behind their back to other people there
Speaker 2: about money. I would look down at them, but then
Speaker 2: I would use them and abuse them because I would
Speaker 2: really need money, and I would ghost them afterwards. And
Speaker 2: I go and I go wow, And they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it's really bad, but they're being honest. So
Speaker 2: I want people to be honest, like what is your
Speaker 2: relationship with money? And just imagine if you were money
Speaker 2: and someone treated you that way. If they wanted to
Speaker 2: look at you, they avoid you, they speak poorly behind
Speaker 2: your back. They would use and abuse you when they
Speaker 2: wanted you, and then they ghost you when they didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk to you do you think money would
Speaker 2: want to keep showing me up in your life if
Speaker 2: they were a person, If they were a person, would
Speaker 2: they want to be in your life? Or they feel, Ah,
Speaker 2: this isn't a good relationship for me. And your show
Speaker 2: is all about helping people get healed, healthy and whole.
Speaker 2: And if you want to create a richer, more a
Speaker 2: bunch in life, you have to create a healthy relationship
Speaker 2: with money in your life. And look at it as
Speaker 2: if this was a love of my life, not in
Speaker 2: a worshiping like I worship it no matter what, but
Speaker 2: more of like this is like a person that I
Speaker 2: love and I want to treat them with care. I
Speaker 2: want to be a great host. How can I show up?
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean it's always going to be perfect,
Speaker 2: but how can I show up and be generous, be kind,
Speaker 2: be patient, listen, be aware and be of service to it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I didn't make a huge difference.
Speaker 2: Huge difference. I'm not saying you haven't had a beautiful, abundant,
Speaker 2: peaceful life as well with money, but I would bet
Speaker 2: to say that you've also experienced stress and overwhelm with
Speaker 2: money for sure, more than having no money. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people get blocked because they know that like, oh,
Speaker 2: more money, more problems is another like money lie right,
Speaker 2: or money like wound that people might have, Like I
Speaker 2: don't want to make more money because I see people
Speaker 2: who do have money, they're constantly stressed. They're not generous
Speaker 2: with it, they're stingy, they don't even tip it all.
Speaker 2: They're even more stingy with it and they have it.
Speaker 2: So what's the point of having it if they're not generous.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like that. And there can
Speaker 2: be money traps or money wounds when you have money
Speaker 2: if you haven't learned how to heal that relationship. And
Speaker 2: so it's learning how to heal the red relationship so
Speaker 2: that when you grow your net worth, you also increase
Speaker 2: your self worth inside and feel peaceful about it. You
Speaker 2: expand your nervous system, your container to receive abundantly, so
Speaker 2: that it's not scary, it's not stressful. You can receive more,
Speaker 2: and you can give more because you know that the
Speaker 2: more you relax, the more you receive, and when you give,
Speaker 2: it's going to come back in some way. I struggled
Speaker 2: with that my first six, seven, eight years of making money.
Speaker 2: I hoarded money because I was afraid to go broke again,
Speaker 2: and it limited me in certain ways, and it made
Speaker 2: me feel stressful, and it made me feel like people
Speaker 2: were trying to take advantage of me and take my money.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel rich having money and living in scarcity.
Speaker 1: Still, there was a beautiful thing that we'd always repeat
Speaker 1: in the monastery. It was like God doesn't see what
Speaker 1: you give, God sees what you hold back. And so
Speaker 1: there's not this you know, because we can sometimes become
Speaker 1: egotistical about how much we give, and it's like you
Speaker 1: got one hand behind your back, and that's you just
Speaker 1: made that point. It's that it's that pinch, it's that
Speaker 1: are you giving where there's a challenge to give? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's where we're healing. Because you can get really egotistical, like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you were worth a billion and you signed a
Speaker 1: million dollar check, like I know people that are making
Speaker 1: three million in interest a day, Like, so you writing
Speaker 1: a million dollar check is not the same. This also
Speaker 1: applies when you have very little. So my parents, who
Speaker 1: didn't make a lot when they were giving, felt it
Speaker 1: felt like a lot. And so like what we're saying
Speaker 1: is that that this thought of being a giver has
Speaker 1: to be care to us.
Speaker 2: You know, my dad was a lot like that too.
Speaker 2: He had strangers knocking on the door that somehow convinced
Speaker 2: him to to stay with us for like three months
Speaker 2: in the summer. Who are ah? And he just opened
Speaker 2: his doors and said yes, like okay. And so he
Speaker 2: was just like like your parents, like okay, you need
Speaker 2: a place to stay for a week, a month, two months. Cool,
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out. We'll feed you, We'll do this
Speaker 2: as long as we feel like you're doing something good
Speaker 2: and we're trying to support you. And I think it's
Speaker 2: don't have to give money to feel rich. Yes, you
Speaker 2: can be vandor your generous with your time, with your resources,
Speaker 2: in other ways, with your food. It's like you can
Speaker 2: give in other ways and create a richness of life.
Speaker 2: And that's the key is to feel rich and abundant
Speaker 2: and free. And if you feel that, when you start
Speaker 2: making money, you're going to continue to feel free. The
Speaker 2: biggest trap is when you feel scarce and you start
Speaker 2: making money and you still feel trapped, you still don't
Speaker 2: feel free. That isn't even greater prison in my mind,
Speaker 2: that you're living in scarcity when you have money.
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many people right now that have
Speaker 1: the pressure to save money because we've been doing my
Speaker 1: making money. Yes, but they're espressure to save money. And
Speaker 1: how do you find that balance between spending comfortably if
Speaker 1: you have the ability, versus like saving for your future
Speaker 1: or your family. How do you think about that version?
Speaker 2: Well, I think when you can live beneath your means
Speaker 2: and feel abundant, you've won. So when you live beneath
Speaker 2: your means and you don't need extra stuff, you've won.
Speaker 2: I just watched The Count of Monte Cristo the other nights.
Speaker 2: It's an incredible movie of a guy who has nothing,
Speaker 2: who was born by you know, back in the I
Speaker 2: don't know, seventeen hundreds or something at a period piece.
Speaker 2: He was born of like a clerk, a guy who
Speaker 2: makes no money, and his friend was born of like
Speaker 2: some general who had a lot of money or something.
Speaker 2: And this poor kid that grew up friends didn't have anything,
Speaker 2: but he had the world. He had no money, no possessions,
Speaker 2: but he just approached life was like, man, but here's
Speaker 2: a piece of string, here's a rock that I can
Speaker 2: play with. I can just imagine the beauty of the world.
Speaker 2: And he appreciated everything even though he had no money.
Speaker 2: And I think in some ways it's so hard to
Speaker 2: look at that when we see Instagram and TikTok where
Speaker 2: everyone has things. When you see everyone else having fun
Speaker 2: with money and going on that trip with their girlfriends,
Speaker 2: or buying that expensive car to show after their guy friends,
Speaker 2: or getting the nice watches or having the cool shoes,
Speaker 2: and you're thinking, oh, if I could really have money,
Speaker 2: then I could have these things that would make me
Speaker 2: feel cool or feel better. But if we can approach
Speaker 2: life and just be like man, life is so good
Speaker 2: with what I have. That is true wealth, that is
Speaker 2: true abundance and happiness. And it doesn't mean you shouldn't
Speaker 2: strive to create more. If you want more, if you
Speaker 2: want to have nice shoes or a nice watch cool,
Speaker 2: You've got to learn how to make money, and you
Speaker 2: want to learn how to make money easy, not make
Speaker 2: money hard. And that is a process in developing these skills,
Speaker 2: these talents within you and seeing how you can monetize
Speaker 2: those skills. And I'm not saying don't splurge on certain
Speaker 2: things if you want to, but you have to understand
Speaker 2: the consequences if you're going to splurge on something to
Speaker 2: have fun with friends or go on trips and spend
Speaker 2: this money that you maybe don't have, just know there
Speaker 2: might be a consequence to that later. If you have
Speaker 2: to use a credit card, you have to pay that
Speaker 2: debt with interest later. So just know there's a cost
Speaker 2: to splurging or spending when you don't have it. I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of saving and investing so that you
Speaker 2: can have freedom in the future and feel rich continually
Speaker 2: and not needing to buy things to feel richer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about this idea of I want to make
Speaker 1: money quick, Like I just want to make a million
Speaker 1: dollars in a week. I want to find that hack
Speaker 1: that solves my money problems. Like, what's your take on that?
Speaker 1: Is that possible?
Speaker 2: I've got money wounds, and it's because I wanted to
Speaker 2: make easy money in my past, not make money easy.
Speaker 2: And I don't know anyone that doesn't want to make
Speaker 2: easy money, Like our ego wants it to come to
Speaker 2: us now. And you want to find the quick hack
Speaker 2: or the quick investment that's got a ten X in
Speaker 2: two months. Sure, there's always outliers that figure out a
Speaker 2: way to do that. But every time I've tried to
Speaker 2: do that. I've lost my money and it's been painful,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, I think I've learned that lesson,
Speaker 2: But there's this new quick, easy money opportunity, and every
Speaker 2: time I do it again, I'm like, what was I thinking?
Speaker 2: You see that Others act like there's a way to
Speaker 2: do it so easy. If you just invest in crypto,
Speaker 2: if you just invest in this, if you just do
Speaker 2: this thing, you're gonna make quick and easy money. I
Speaker 2: don't know anyone who's made hundreds of millions, millions or
Speaker 2: billions who's lived that way. They might have invested and
Speaker 2: gone all in on one business and created generational wealth,
Speaker 2: or maybe they went all in on investing in one
Speaker 2: main stock that ended up ten or twenty x thing
Speaker 2: over time, but going to quick make easy money way
Speaker 2: doesn't usually work, and it's painful lessons you have to
Speaker 2: live afterwards. So I don't know if you ever made
Speaker 2: quick easy money.
Speaker 1: No, No, I haven't for sure, And I probably made
Speaker 1: mistakes when I had a bad relationship with money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember my one of my mentors in like twenty
Speaker 1: thirteen told me to invest in crypto, and at the
Speaker 1: time I thought to myself. It was a scale I've
Speaker 1: only got like I only like at that time in
Speaker 1: my life, I probably had one thousand dollars right saved
Speaker 1: because I'd just come out, I just started working. I
Speaker 1: didn't have the money, so I was thinking thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: what's it going to do? Obviously I was stupid.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: Also one of them been quick, it would have been
Speaker 1: taking fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like we can always look
Speaker 2: back and say, oh, our friend told us to invest
Speaker 2: in this thing ten years ago, and if I imagine
Speaker 2: if I did a ten year Yeah, just like any stock, Yeah,
Speaker 2: in wait ten years, it should go up if the
Speaker 2: company continues to do well.
Speaker 1: No, I've never made easy money.
Speaker 2: Well here's that. Actually, you actually have made easy money
Speaker 2: after putting in a decade plus of work, a decade
Speaker 2: of developing skills, of monetizing your skills, and following the
Speaker 2: seven habits we talk about in this book, which is, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can make easy money. Now you can get paid
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak for sixty minutes
Speaker 2: because you've added so much value in the world for
Speaker 2: the past decade plus and even a decade before that
Speaker 2: of spiritual practice before you even learn how to make money.
Speaker 2: So two decades, two decades of how do I develop
Speaker 2: skills within me to serve people, whether it be one
Speaker 2: on one, one to ten one to ten thousand, How
Speaker 2: do I develop those skills to serve and give generously?
Speaker 2: You have followed this mindset perfectly, which is a mindset
Speaker 2: of generosity and gratitude, and that's all you did for
Speaker 2: essentially the last two decades. How can I learn how
Speaker 2: to become a better human? How can I give generously?
Speaker 2: And how can I be appreciative and grateful for the
Speaker 2: life that I have? And you had no money for
Speaker 2: almost four years as a monk, but I would bet
Speaker 2: that you lived a beautifully rich life. You didn't need
Speaker 2: the money to feel rich. You felt provided for, You
Speaker 2: had nature, you had community, you were learning, you got
Speaker 2: to be on purpose, you got to serve, and what
Speaker 2: a beautiful gift to receive. And you had no money
Speaker 2: in your bank account, but you were probably one of
Speaker 2: the richest people that you knew. And that is beautiful,
Speaker 2: That is abundant.
Speaker 1: And that's something that definitely doesn't change with the financial change.
Speaker 2: If I have no money right now, how can I
Speaker 2: get to a place where you were at where I
Speaker 2: had the richest, most abundant life because I was working
Speaker 2: on me. I was a giver. I was generous with
Speaker 2: my time and my energy and my resources with whatever
Speaker 2: I had. And then how can I start to earn
Speaker 2: more money? Make money easy by feeling effortless internally expanding
Speaker 2: my nervous system so that it can receive more and
Speaker 2: feel safe. That is a rich upond in life.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're all really looking for.
Speaker 2: And me and you both know people who have hundreds
Speaker 2: of million dollars that they've exited companies and they're not happy.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean having more money equals happiness. You start
Speaker 2: to learn how to heal you and have a healthy
Speaker 2: relationship with yourself and money even when you have it.
Speaker 1: When you're looking for a quick fix and a quick win,
Speaker 1: the problem is the speed at which you win is
Speaker 1: the speed of which you lose. Yes, right, So if
Speaker 1: you think i'll put money into this now, I'll make
Speaker 1: something in a week, chances are, like you said, you
Speaker 1: lose it immediately. You lose it a day, You lose
Speaker 1: it in the day. And the reason that happens is
Speaker 1: because you actually don't know why you're putting your money there.
Speaker 1: So it goes back to your first point of awareness.
Speaker 1: It goes back to something you call the mapping habit,
Speaker 1: the plan, because what's going on is you're saying, I
Speaker 1: want this stab and now I want this step in immediately,
Speaker 1: I want this step quickly. So I know zero about
Speaker 1: this crypto. I know zero about this property. I've had
Speaker 1: friends literally gamble away their life savings because they heard
Speaker 1: all their friends were making money through crypto. When people
Speaker 1: say to me, I've got this much funny, what should
Speaker 1: I invest? And I'm like, what do you know about
Speaker 1: invest in that? What do you actually know about? What
Speaker 1: do you actually have experienced knowledge wisdom in because guess what,
Speaker 1: because of that, you'll make money on it, because you
Speaker 1: actually understand it. Again, it goes back to the point
Speaker 1: of respect. If we don't respect our audience, it doesn't grow.
Speaker 1: If you don't respect your community, it doesn't grow. If
Speaker 1: you don't respect your clients, it doesn't grow. By us
Speaker 1: saying I want to make money, but I know nothing
Speaker 1: about this industry, it means I'm disrespecting the industry. And sure,
Speaker 1: there may be one person who had some lucky story
Speaker 1: that they tell you about. But the truth is most
Speaker 1: of us are not going to get there. So if
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of money and you're like Jay,
Speaker 1: I've only got one hundred dollars to invest, Lewis have
Speaker 1: only got a thousand dollars to invest, and you ask
Speaker 1: me where to put it, put it in what you know?
Speaker 1: Put it in yourself if that's all you know, who
Speaker 1: is yourself and your skills. And I think so many
Speaker 1: of us are looking for that ticket. But actually that
Speaker 1: investment in yourself will pay so many dividends.
Speaker 2: Is this is why I'm glad you said this, because
Speaker 2: a week ago someone literally asked me, if I have
Speaker 2: a thousand dollars right now to invest, where should I
Speaker 2: invest in? And everyone says, put it in crypto, put
Speaker 2: it in real estate funds, put in all these things.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to any of that. When I had no money,
Speaker 2: there was two things that I needed to create more
Speaker 2: of a currency within me, and that was courage and confidence.
Speaker 2: I lacked the courage to develop certain skills. When I
Speaker 2: had courage to go all in on learning public speaking
Speaker 2: or learning how to write, I didn't know those skills.
Speaker 2: Actually lacked those skills and I was afraid to be
Speaker 2: a failure at those things by trying them, but by
Speaker 2: having the courage to invest my time and energy in
Speaker 2: a public speaking class, in a writing coach. I didn't
Speaker 2: have the skills, but I developed the courage. That courage
Speaker 2: created the actions to create confidence. That confidence created a
Speaker 2: currency within me of that belief dictated my behaviors to
Speaker 2: start charging more, to go out there and ask for more,
Speaker 2: to put myself out there in bigger ways. And so,
Speaker 2: if you have one thousand dollars or five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: right now and you want to figure out where to
Speaker 2: invest it, invested in courage to learn new skills that
Speaker 2: will give you confidence, that would be an incredible currency
Speaker 2: that you'll have forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, Lewis, I'm so excited for people to read
Speaker 1: this book. Honestly, I love this conversation because we're both
Speaker 1: sitting here as people who, like you said, not finished
Speaker 1: our money journey either where where you know I've got
Speaker 1: so many years left to learn so much more. The
Speaker 1: reason why I empathize with it is I never ever
Speaker 1: thought I'd be financially abundant, mentally or physically, and I
Speaker 1: know you feel the same way.
Speaker 2: I never never figured out how to make money same.
Speaker 1: I've really empathized with everyone who's listening, going I'm stuck.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure this out. But I really do
Speaker 1: believe it starts with this, because this is the work
Speaker 1: you'll have to do whether you make money tomorrow or
Speaker 1: in ten years. And no matter how what you make,
Speaker 1: you're still going to have to do this work. Yes,
Speaker 1: in this book, because even if you find a way
Speaker 1: to make money and you become really, really financially successful,
Speaker 1: you will never feel free in that financial success without
Speaker 1: doing this work. And you'll still feel anxious, and you
Speaker 1: still feel stressed, and you still feel all of that right.
Speaker 2: I tell a story in the book about I used
Speaker 2: to live in an apartment building here in La It's
Speaker 2: really sad. There's a lot of wealthy people in this
Speaker 2: building that I lived in, a lot of celebrities and billionaires.
Speaker 2: I was the poorest person there. Which is another lesson,
Speaker 2: which is to put yourself in rooms. Always be where
Speaker 2: you can mastermind with people, and be around proximity about
Speaker 2: people who have more so you can learn from them.
Speaker 2: But I was on a trip and I came back
Speaker 2: from a trip, driving back into the valet of my building,
Speaker 2: and there was a tent in the valet, like in
Speaker 2: the driveway, and I kind of jokingly said to the
Speaker 2: valley attendant as I pulled into the building, I said,
Speaker 2: someone didn't jump, did they, kind of like joking, And
Speaker 2: the guy looked at me with like a serious face, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it just happened like minutes ago, and I was I
Speaker 2: was like, this can't be real. It was like, what,
Speaker 2: there's billionaires in here, there's millionaires in here, there's celebrities
Speaker 2: in here. Is like, why would anyone in this building
Speaker 2: take their own life? And it was kind of like
Speaker 2: just this shock to me because I learned later who
Speaker 2: this person was. Someone did jump off the building right
Speaker 2: before I came back, and he was worth hundreds of
Speaker 2: millions of dollars net worth if you just googled his name.
Speaker 2: And I was just thinking, why would someone worth so
Speaker 2: much money take their life? And I don't want to
Speaker 2: assume what really happened, But it doesn't mean having all
Speaker 2: the money in the world is going to solve all
Speaker 2: your problems, and you're going to feel like you can
Speaker 2: love and accept yourself, that you have self worth. So,
Speaker 2: like you said, you may learn how to make a
Speaker 2: lot of money. But if you haven't learned how to
Speaker 2: heal your relationship with you, then all the money in
Speaker 2: the world can't save your life and can't make you
Speaker 2: feel rich, can't make you feel abundant, can't make you
Speaker 2: have beautiful relationships with friends, family, colleagues. And that's real.
Speaker 2: Real wealth comes in life when you have deep, meaningful relationships.
Speaker 2: And something I want to acknowledge that you do really
Speaker 2: well is you follow this first habit, the mindset habit
Speaker 2: so well, which is how can I be generous with
Speaker 2: my time, my energy, my love for friends, family, colleagues,
Speaker 2: your community. This community feels it. Everyone listening and watching
Speaker 2: right now feel your generosity you're giving hearts and your
Speaker 2: gratitude for them, whether it be individually or collectively, they
Speaker 2: feel it. And most people, they want to make more money,
Speaker 2: but they don't have that generosity, that grateful spirits, and
Speaker 2: they want the quick fix. They want to make easy
Speaker 2: money quick, not make money easy. And the billionaires that
Speaker 2: I know, you know, and the millionaires that we know,
Speaker 2: we've interviewed and I'll ask them this question, what do
Speaker 2: you think the key to creating more financial abundance every year?
Speaker 2: After year is for you. Every billionaire or mega millionaire
Speaker 2: will say giving more. I make more when I give
Speaker 2: more that year, whether it be giving more to charities,
Speaker 2: whether it be giving to people in my life, whether
Speaker 2: it be giving back to my community, giving back to
Speaker 2: my employees, my business, finding ways to give more and
Speaker 2: almost give where it feels a little uncomfortable, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that was a big check. I just wrote. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I care about this cause, this charity. I feel safe
Speaker 2: giving this amount, but what really would make it uncomfortable?
Speaker 2: Or I go to church every week and I typically
Speaker 2: give this, but what would make me feel a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Most of these people say the more they give when
Speaker 2: it's the most uncomfortable. Somehow they just keep earning more.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you should give all your money
Speaker 2: away and you're going to earn more back, but having
Speaker 2: that mindset of generosity, and you do this very well
Speaker 2: where you give your community. Whenever there's some type of
Speaker 2: breakdown in the world, you're one of the first people say,
Speaker 2: how can we give? How can we rally the troops?
Speaker 2: You give first, You rally the troops. They let's give back.
Speaker 2: The fires happened, stuff happened, in India a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago. Stuff's always happening, and you say we're gonna give.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that seems something conscious you think about, like, oh,
Speaker 2: by giving more every year, it helps me make more,
Speaker 2: but also I feel richer. And when you do that
Speaker 2: with everyone in your life, whether you're the hostess and
Speaker 2: you give curiosity, love, passion, fun, playfulness, you're giving something
Speaker 2: in that moment. If you can write a check for
Speaker 2: something that is a cause and you give, it's because
Speaker 2: you can, and you do it generously, it's just going
Speaker 2: to make you richer inside, and you're creating an energy
Speaker 2: of abundance to attract more.
Speaker 1: I think for me it was watching my parents. So
Speaker 1: for all the other things I said about just enough
Speaker 1: and everything, my parents always gave in charity. A home
Speaker 1: was always a home where everyone was welcome, would happily
Speaker 1: cook dinner for everyone, even though you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: have everything, and so my parents had this generous heart.
Speaker 1: At the same.
Speaker 2: Time, they probably felt rich in that for sure, generally.
Speaker 1: Sure, and they did it when we didn't have a
Speaker 1: lot like my parents. Now, when I realized how much
Speaker 1: my parents made and how much the game and charity.
Speaker 1: The proportions were pretty off, and I think for me,
Speaker 1: I just felt so fortunate and I feel so lucky,
Speaker 1: and I feel so grateful that I have been able
Speaker 1: to find abundance in my life that I feel like
Speaker 1: the only natural reaction to that has to be to give.
Speaker 1: When I came back to LA with the fires and everything,
Speaker 1: I was just grateful to come back to a home.
Speaker 1: But not everyone I know came back to a home,
Speaker 1: and so I felt grateful that I had a home,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, Okay, what can we do?
Speaker 1: And so I think it comes from a place of gratitude. Again,
Speaker 1: it comes from a place of seeing my parents be
Speaker 1: so generous even though they had nothing to give. Actually,
Speaker 1: and it ultimately comes to me because I just feel
Speaker 1: like there's no better use for it in the long
Speaker 1: run than that, And I do believe it will come
Speaker 1: back in its own way. I don't give it because
Speaker 1: I want it back. I give it because I believe
Speaker 1: there's a need. But I do deeply believe that it
Speaker 1: will come back in its own way, and it always has.
Speaker 1: The book's called Make Money Easy, Create Financial Freedom, and
Speaker 1: live a richer life. Lewis hows Lewis, I'm so grateful,
Speaker 1: genuinely for this conversation. It's left me feeling so rich.
Speaker 1: I've always felt rich in our friendship, and I'm really
Speaker 1: glad that you wrote about it in this way because
Speaker 1: I think there's lots of great money experts out there
Speaker 1: who are growing really good sound financial advice.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not.
Speaker 1: That's not what this is, and I think we need
Speaker 1: all of it. But I think this is a deep
Speaker 1: part because I know for me personally, this has been
Speaker 1: really deep work, and you put it into a book,
Speaker 1: and so I'm so grateful. Let people get to exercise. Brother,
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Everyone who's been listening or
Speaker 1: watching read the book, learn the Habits. Tag me and
Speaker 1: Lewis on Instagram on TikTok. Let me know what's resonating
Speaker 1: with you, what's connected with you. I want to hear
Speaker 1: your stories. I want to hear what skill you invested in.
Speaker 1: I want you to turn up at your job, even
Speaker 1: if you hate it. I want you to turn up
Speaker 1: to it with all the love that you possibly have.
Speaker 1: See whose mind you blow, who gets impressed by what
Speaker 1: you're doing. Someone's gonna be able to shift your life
Speaker 1: at some point. And it's going to start with you.
Speaker 1: But just don't underestimate the value of these things that
Speaker 1: sound simple and they sound like I've got to figure
Speaker 1: out something more complex. No, no, no, this is where
Speaker 1: it starts, and this will mean that at the end
Speaker 1: of it, you'll be happy. So thank you to Lewis,
Speaker 1: thank you to each and every one of you. And yeah,
Speaker 1: make money easy, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I love you.
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Speaker 3: How many times do we have to forget until we
Speaker 3: stop forgetting and start remembering. That's the moment of change.
Speaker 3: Who cares how many times you fell off the bicycle?
Speaker 3: If you ride the bicycle, now you're right the bike