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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight an iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It is Wednesday, August thirteenth. I'm

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Speaker 2: Stephanie Leidecker here with Body Moven and Courtney Armstrong is

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Speaker 2: out for the night. But we're being joined by Doronto Fear,

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Speaker 2: the pop culture true crime expert, because he's going to

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Speaker 2: be unpacking this Versace story. Remember when Versace was murdered

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Speaker 2: by Andrew Kunanan. Well, it turns out Deron has a

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Speaker 2: unique connection to that case. So we're going to do

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Speaker 2: a deep dive back into yesteryear and really kind of

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Speaker 2: fill in some of the blanks about that case overall.

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Speaker 2: And also there's been this new development in the Luigi

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Speaker 2: Mangione trial. You know, he's very upset about a few things.

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Speaker 2: There's a legal battle happening behind the scenes right now

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Speaker 2: as he awaits his upcoming trial and Uvaldi there's also

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Speaker 2: been these, you know, incredibly horrifying updates post that shooting.

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Speaker 3: That body's going to fill us all in on.

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Speaker 2: And look where you have a big night tonight, because

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Speaker 2: we are finally going to name the screening watching party

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Speaker 3: So again body thought of this.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, we're all going to be designated something to watch,

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Speaker 2: like a documentary or something you know, in the true

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Speaker 2: in a certain amount of time and then we'll all

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Speaker 2: discuss it. Yeah, so we have to name it. Apparently

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Speaker 2: it's a very big deal. Deron has been working behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes. Ah, it's a very high stakes operation happening

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Speaker 3: And you guys have been doing such.

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Speaker 2: A good job giving us cases and suggestions and calling in,

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Speaker 3: In fact, let's go to one right now.

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Speaker 4: Hi ladies from Australia.

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Speaker 5: Thanks you for the talk back last week about the

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Speaker 5: Menendez brothers and Gypsy Rose wondering if you ever talk

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Speaker 5: about unsolved murders.

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Speaker 3: The John Berney murder.

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Speaker 6: Has been something that has fascinated me since a kid.

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Speaker 6: Also for you body.

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Speaker 7: No, holy no, true, But we don't really sound like that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, we do more like no, which for us probably

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Speaker 2: I don't know the nerve I do that once more, so, Baddy,

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Speaker 2: are you saying no incorrectly?

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Speaker 3: So I love the way Australians say no. And it's

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Speaker 3: kind of like an inside joke with my mole cast.

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Speaker 3: Our production team was all from Australia. They were so

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Speaker 9: We would bore very naughty and they would always be like, no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when I try to do an imitation

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Speaker 3: So like a pirate, Well, thank you for the thank

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Speaker 3: you for the talkback, Hannah. It really does make us

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Speaker 3: Looking for right now. They did have prior contact with

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Speaker 2: And sometimes, how do you know, is it just a teenager?

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Speaker 2: You know that you what are you calling out as

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Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you. Walking around with dead cats

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Speaker 3: That's why I went on Fox News to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: But survivors, you know, they really this is the really

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Speaker 3: A fourth grade teacher emailed the superintendent describing her terror

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Speaker 2: Seventy minutes, and they seemed as though they were not

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Speaker 3: learning from the documents. Though there were long standing security

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Speaker 3: And what do you do right as a parent, Like,

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you what I thought was astounding

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Speaker 2: and we're talking about Luigi Mangione. You'll remember he is

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Speaker 3: Though the prosecutors noticed it right away, they said they

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Speaker 6: But you know what part of this whole case, it's

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Speaker 3: But what does that change about what he's being accused?

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Speaker 8: And women and men, yeah, just lost their minds.

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Speaker 8: The Robin the modern Robin Hood.

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Speaker 6: It's basically targeting anybody in the bureaucracy. It's sort of

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Speaker 2: I know that body, this is your territory because you know,

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Speaker 3: Are we ready? I mean, I am amy ready.

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Speaker 8: You're in talk about another weird thirst trap.

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Speaker 3: He was a serial killer connected to five cross country

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Speaker 6: There is relative information that he was very abusive to Andrew,

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Speaker 6: and that is a real question about whether you know

437
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Speaker 6: it's the chicken of the egg and I'm definitely I've

438
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Speaker 6: said it before on this show. I don't subscribe to

439
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 6: any of that. I don't like an origin story.

440
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Speaker 8: I don't.

441
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 6: I think that once you have crossed the line, you've

442
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 6: crossed the line. So I tend to discount the history

443
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 6: of what caused it. It's a fascinating topic. But Andrew

444
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 6: was a serial killer. He was in a psychopath and

445
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 6: he did his spree from a place of narcissistic Absolutely,

446
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 6: he was so envious of people and he developed a persona.

447
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 6: And here's another thing. He didn't come from super poor background.

448
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 3: They were pretty middle class. They had a really nice.

449
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 6: Home and they and they were an immigrant story, his

450
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 6: mom and dad and they brought and they and.

451
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Speaker 8: They sort of became the American dream.

452
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 6: Unbeknowing, they had this gay son who in a lot

453
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 6: of ways capitalized on this idea of beauty and sexuality.

454
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 8: And he became an escort, and he.

455
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 6: Had done a lot of adult films and he used

456
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Speaker 6: his sort of looks that he really believed he was

457
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 6: extraordinarily beautiful. This really became popular from a pop culture

458
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 6: perspective when Ryan Murphy's American Crime drama in the second

459
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Speaker 6: season American Crime Story became the.

460
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Speaker 8: Second season, and it was the Murder of Gianni Versall.

461
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Speaker 3: By the way, that is such a good series, the

462
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 3: American Crime Story, and that season in particular is so good.

463
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 3: I thought it was really good.

464
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 6: It was extraordinary, and Darren Chris's portrayal of Andrew.

465
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 8: Cunanan won him the Emmy.

466
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 6: And it was an extraordinary feat It was emotional, and

467
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 6: it really delved into the history of the murderers and

468
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 6: the people also were murdered that were not Jiohnny versacka right.

469
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: Because those people matter too, right, Maybe you know, maybe

470
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: we should kind of go over his victims, right. So

471
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Speaker 3: in April twenty seventh, nineteen ninety seven, in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

472
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Speaker 3: the victim he killed was Jeffrey Trail. He was beaten

473
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Speaker 3: to death with a hammer. He was a friend of

474
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Speaker 3: Aner Kannonen, so they were friends, and I think I

475
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: think Andrew Cronin was kind of like CouchSurfing at his house.

476
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Speaker 3: Two days later, April twenty ninth, nineteen ninety seven, and

477
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Speaker 3: also in Minneapolis, he killed David Madsen and he was

478
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: now this guy was Kunanan's ex boyfriend, okay, and he

479
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: was shot by the Mississippi River, and they believe he

480
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: was taken hostage before the murder. Four days later, he

481
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: killed in Chicago, Lee Miglan. Now Lee Miglan was rich.

482
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: He was a rich guy, and he was found like

483
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: kind of like tied up. So there were a lot

484
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: of rumors taped, duct taped. There were a lot of

485
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: rumors that he was like, uh, he hired Andrew Canana

486
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: to be like his gay lover kind of situation, but

487
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: there is no evidence of that at all. The family is,

488
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: you know, vehemently denying those accusations that he was gay

489
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Speaker 3: or anything like that.

490
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Speaker 8: But Ryan Murphy made that an incredibly salacious.

491
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Speaker 3: Episode, so he did.

492
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Speaker 6: Yeah, And when you think about that as a fictional

493
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 6: dramatization of what had occurred, it really.

494
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 8: Painted a very dark picture. And the wife.

495
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 6: Was was was incredibly offended by that portrayal, right.

496
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Speaker 3: Right, she was. And then five days later, on May ninth,

497
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, he killed a cemetery worker, William Reese, and

498
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: stole William's car and drove it to Miami. And in

499
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Speaker 3: July fifteenth, so a couple months later, the victim there

500
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 3: was Gianni Versaci and we all know that story, but

501
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: we know the other victims are important too, and we

502
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: wanted definitely to pay attention to them as well. And

503
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 3: so it's kind of interesting how it started out that

504
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 3: Andrew was killing people he knew, and then he expanded, right,

505
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: he expanded his you know, terror to people he didn't know.

506
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Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to come right back too, So listen,

507
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: drawn more on this. We're still going to be covering

508
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: this Versace case and we haven't even scratched the surface

509
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 2: yet now, so stick with us. This is true crime tonight.

510
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: We're talking true crime all the time, and we're joined

511
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Speaker 2: tonight with our favorite pop culture true crime expert Duran.

512
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Oh fear, the great and powerful and wonderful Duran. So

513
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: we're talking a lot about Versace and the Andrew Gnannan case,

514
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: and Douran has this very unique connection to this case.

515
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: You'll remember the Miami Beach slaying of VERSACEI back in

516
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine or no, I'm getting a nineteen ninety seven.

517
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, where should we take it right now? Well,

518
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean maybe we should talk about his first couple

519
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 3: of victims, right, and again, I was saying before the

520
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: break that the first two people that Andrew Canon killed

521
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: were his friend and then and then his lover Doron

522
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 3: what can you tell?

523
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 6: Which is really this is a really sad element of

524
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 6: this because Jeffrey Trail, who was the first his first victim, right,

525
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: and let me just paint a picture about Andrew per second.

526
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 6: So Andrew his own visuals. He thought of himself as

527
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 6: somebody who was of superior genetics. Visually, he thought he

528
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 6: was the hottest person in the world. And therefore anybody

529
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 6: who had snubbed in any way, shape or form, there

530
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 6: was something wrong with them.

531
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Speaker 8: It's the it's the it's the narcissistic disorder. And he's not.

532
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 8: He was not a very big guy. He was like

533
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 8: five eight, right, he.

534
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Was kind of on the Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't

535
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: all in particularly strapping in any.

536
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 6: Way or or physically imposing. But Jeffrey Trail was a

537
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 6: former US Navy officer. He was somebody who was strapping

538
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 6: and Cunanan blodge him to him, you know, with a

539
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 6: claw hammer. And as the story goes, he was having

540
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 6: an affair with David Madison separately, and David Madison was

541
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 6: the one person that you know, has allegedly been the

542
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 6: person who had tried to to to emotionally connect with Andrew.

543
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 6: And that was the murder where they they supposedly David

544
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 6: Madison had figured out that Counan had murdered Jeffrey, and

545
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 6: they went on a road trip as if to escape

546
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 6: and go on this sort of you know Bonnie and Clyde.

547
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: If you will, Yeah, that's why I would describe it

548
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: Bonnie and Clyde.

549
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 6: Yes, And he wanted and Conan was sort of he

550
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 6: realized at that point that there was no going back.

551
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 6: And when David began to sort of figure try and

552
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 6: figure out a way out is when he had murdered

553
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 6: him by a lake.

554
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 8: And there's a really beautiful full episode.

555
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 6: Of Ryan Murphy's The Assassination of Gihonny Rossacci that was

556
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 6: actually directed by Matt Baumer, and he had done that

557
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 6: episode specifically to show the heart behind the victim of

558
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 6: David maddis the sctimization of David Madison, and that's one

559
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 6: of those must watches. And I'm not trying to sort

560
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 6: of again sensationalize this, but that's where Ryan Murphy got

561
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 6: it right, I think, And it was brutal and savage,

562
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 6: and that was really the beginning stage of his rampage,

563
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 6: and then he went on to murder this this this.

564
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 8: Multi millionaire Lee Miglin.

565
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 6: Right, and then he then the William Rees thing and

566
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 6: the William Rees think has just popped up in the

567
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 6: news again.

568
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: Right, because exactly the son of William Rees, his name

569
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: is Troy. This is interesting. Troy said. Just days before

570
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: his father's murder, his dad warned his family about Cornon's

571
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: killing spree after watching him on America's Most Wanted. Because

572
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: after the murder of Lee Miglin, the cops figured out, okay,

573
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: this guy, you know, Andrew Canannon, needs to be taken down,

574
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 3: and he went on America's Most Wanted. So this is

575
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: what Troy shared. Troy said, my dad was watching America's

576
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 3: Most Wanted a few days before his murder. He warned

577
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: us that Andrew Cannanan was on a killing spree. Now,

578
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 3: when you hear that, you think, oh, he must have

579
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: known him. No, there was no connection between William and

580
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,479
Speaker 3: Andrew Cannnon. William was just like a cemetery worker. And

581
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: Andrew was traveling south again. He was in Minnesota, and

582
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: then he murdered two people in Minnesota. He started traveling

583
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: south right to Chicago where he murdered Lee Miglin, and

584
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 3: then in Pennsylvania he ran across this William Reese guy

585
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 3: and murdered him for his.

586
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 8: Car apparently was for the truck.

587
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like a getaway vehicle at that point. Well,

588
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: you know, Troy has shared too. Troy, the son of

589
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: William Race, expressed deep frustration over the lack of attention

590
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 3: given to other victims other than Versace. Right, because it's

591
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: always Andrew Cannan, the guy who killed Versace. Will know

592
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 3: Andrew Cananan killed five people, like, you know, he's not

593
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: just killing Andrew Rossachi. He said the other victims were

594
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: forgotten except for Versace. Nobody remembers the other victims. It

595
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: makes me feel frustrated. Everyone says, oh Versace, but they

596
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: forget about me. They forget about the rest of the victims.

597
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: And he's kind of right, you know. Yeah, and the.

598
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 6: Fact that, okay, let's go back to William rece for

599
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 6: a second. So he stole his red truck. Now I'm

600
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 6: going to circle back to this red truck thing for

601
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 6: a second. But there's a lot of non information and

602
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 6: we get into ideas of conspiracy and all of that.

603
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 6: We do know that Andrew Kunanan was an escort and

604
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 6: that he believed that his beauty and his sexuality came

605
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 6: at a premium. And so the question was what was

606
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 6: his connection to Lee Migland? What was his connection? Is

607
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 6: there a world where these were closeted gay men who

608
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 6: had made contact with Andrew at one point and so

609
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,959
Speaker 6: that there was a connection. The FBI and the story

610
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 6: that came out around it always said no, no, no,

611
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 6: But it does raise the question because Lee Miglan was

612
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 6: tortured and brutalized in a very BDSM way.

613
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: He was and he was found like bound may SM

614
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: mean for for us Layman's in the room with the BDSM.

615
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 8: Bondage uh sato masochism basically is.

616
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: What it is. It's an angel.

617
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 6: It's the kink behind sadism and masochism. So you know, King, Yeah,

618
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 6: that's exactly what it is. Bondage, domination, maxicism, BDSA. So

619
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 6: the sadness about all of this. So then he goes

620
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 6: on this run, right, so he steals this red truck,

621
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 6: and that red truck then does the follow up episode

622
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 6: of America's Most.

623
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: Want America's Most Wanted exactly.

624
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 6: Now picture this, It's nineteen ninety seven, Andrew Canannan goes

625
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 6: to the place that he thinks he's going to blend

626
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 6: in the most beautiful populace in America, which is now

627
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 6: at the time, South Beach, Miami, of course, where he

628
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 6: feels he will not be noticed amongst this crowd of

629
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 6: beautiful models that are running the streets on Ocean Drive.

630
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: And this was an era of supermodels, and this was

631
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 6: a moment in time where South Beach was the pinnacle

632
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 6: of the American riviera. Now, Gianni Versacei moved to South Beach,

633
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 6: fell in love with its bohemian nature, bought a mansion

634
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 6: on Ocean.

635
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 8: Drive, which, by the way, if you don't know what

636
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 8: Ocean Drive is, it's all hotels.

637
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 6: And this was an old hotel that he then bought

638
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 6: in an Italian Renaissance way and wanted to live amongst it.

639
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 8: Were you no, Gianni Versaci.

640
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: Oh, Gianni Versati, Okay, I'm sorry, I like what oh sorry?

641
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 8: Sorry bad?

642
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 6: No, no, my bad, And Gianni Versacei was amongst the

643
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 6: people in Miami at the time. He would just walk

644
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,239
Speaker 6: to News Cafe which was four blocks up and have

645
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 6: his coffee every morning, and Miami was a moment in

646
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 6: time that was extraordinary because a less celebrities, fashion designers,

647
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: supermodels were all walking amongst the normal people of that

648
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 6: lived every day. And the night scene there the hottest

649
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 6: scene in the world, and the night scene there was extraordinary.

650
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 6: I was living in Miami at that time, and I

651
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Speaker 6: was running nightclubs and I was a club, a front

652
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Speaker 6: door impresario.

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Speaker 8: Right, So I was the person picking and choosing you

654
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Speaker 8: to get in.

655
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Speaker 6: And this is the time yeah before where you would

656
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Speaker 6: you couldn't buy your way in.

657
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Speaker 8: This wasn't bottle service.

658
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Speaker 3: You have to look a certain way, right.

659
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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, I picked and choose. That's why i'm That's

660
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Speaker 8: why I'm a This is why I'm a casting.

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Speaker 3: Do that's why you're casting? Duh? Oh my god, it's

662
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: such the same thing. I didn't even put the two together.

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Speaker 8: It's yes, It's how I developed my eye.

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Speaker 6: So what's fascinating about this? So I was working at

665
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Speaker 6: a club called Liquid. Liquid was owned by Madonna, and

666
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Speaker 6: we were running the door and this unassuming boy walks

667
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Speaker 6: up to the door, makes his way to the front

668
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 6: fairly confident, and shoves his way to the front of

669
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Speaker 6: the Velbert rope and he's like, excuse me, excuse me.

670
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Speaker 6: And I looked at him, you know, sort of with

671
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: a smirk, because you know, I mean the set on

672
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Speaker 6: this kid to come up that way, and he's just like,

673
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Speaker 6: I need to be inside. And I said, oh, do you?

674
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 6: And I said, well that's nice for you. And he said,

675
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 6: you know, don't you know who I am? And I

676
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 6: said no, I don't, and he goes, I was the

677
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 6: king of San Diego in the gay scene. And I said, well,

678
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 6: you know, although you know LGBT are welcome, it's not

679
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 6: a gay night and you're sure you're in the right blaze.

680
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 8: And he said, oh yeah, I need to be inside.

681
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 8: I need to be a part of the VIP. You know,

682
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Speaker 8: it's funny.

683
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Speaker 6: His look was not something that I would have spotted

684
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 6: in the crowd, to be honest, he didn't set himself

685
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Speaker 6: apart from anyone else. But I his confidence gave me pause,

686
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 6: and so you know, I you know, I smirked, and

687
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 6: I said, you know, all right, you know, so I

688
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 6: threw a man on him.

689
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 8: I let him in.

690
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 6: And now there's sort of an alternative story here that

691
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 6: he was searching for Gianni, because you know, Gianni would

692
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 6: go to liquid often and he would be in the VIP,

693
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 6: but that wasn't the case that had happened.

694
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Speaker 3: Wow, so you're listening, did your crown tonight we're getting

695
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: the inside scoop on Andrew Cananon's shenanigans in Miami prior

696
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: to the murder of Gianni Versaci. If you want to

697
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: weigh in, give us a call eighty eight thirty one

698
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: Crime or hit us on the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app.

699
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Speaker 3: Please continue. I'm literally our seats fear.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So he goes inside, right. I didn't really pay

701
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: too much attention to this. It didn't really register to

702
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 6: me anything about him. About thirty minutes later, he comes

703
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 6: back outside and he's like, excuse me, tranks me on

704
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Speaker 6: the shoulder.

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Speaker 8: And this is a time when you don't touch a doorman.

706
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 8: You don't talk to a doorman. Like, I'm not trying

707
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Speaker 8: to sound super egomaniacal, but.

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Speaker 3: There's your rights to this. They're scary.

709
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Speaker 8: And so I could turn around, I see him again.

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Speaker 6: I kind of look down on him because he's petite,

711
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 6: you know, and I and so I said what and

712
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 6: he goes, I need to get into the VIP, and

713
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 6: I said, well, you're not getting into the VIP.

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Speaker 8: I don't know you, and thanks for coming. You know,

715
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 8: I camped you in. I thought you were funny. Now

716
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 8: I'm finding you relatively annoying.

717
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Speaker 6: People tell this, they say that he would have murdered me,

718
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 6: but you know, I, you know, what's funny to me

719
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: is that I didn't. Again unassuming in a way. Now,

720
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 6: I gotta give credit to where credit is due. There

721
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 6: was a sort of a level of confidence or gumption

722
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 6: of it, and he had a chip on his shoulder.

723
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 6: Now simultaneously, this is what's happening in Miami. The next

724
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 6: day was the assassination.

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00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it was a night before, the.

726
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 6: Night before, and that's where I being on the ground,

727
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 6: Suddenly I see it all over the news and they're

728
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 6: saying that there was this man hunt and that the

729
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 6: FBI had known that Andrew, that Cunanan was in Miami

730
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 6: and operating and was potentially looking for his next victim

731
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 6: because they found the red truck at the parking lot

732
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Speaker 6: on Collins Avenue.

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Speaker 3: That's cool. In fact, the gay community in Miami was

734
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: very critical of the FBI for like not warning them.

735
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: They felt like, in fact, they did it on purpose.

736
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Speaker 3: In a little bit of a way.

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Speaker 8: They tried to bait it, right, but.

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Speaker 2: They were basically trying to lure him into a certain

739
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Speaker 2: scene potent so that they knew that they could probably

740
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Speaker 2: catch him.

741
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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and then there was all of this backstory that

743
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 6: you know, he had this secret affair with Gianni and

744
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 6: that he had gone down to find Gianni Versaci after

745
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 6: a supposed meeting in San Francisco.

746
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Speaker 8: All of this was never substantiated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is no move to be true. Yeah,

748
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: I always thought there was no connection.

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Speaker 8: Well, this brings me up to the whole conspiracy concept.

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Speaker 6: But allegedly, you know, do we know that Gianni had

751
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 6: ever contacted him through some sort of a portal of

752
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: male escort services.

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Speaker 8: We don't know exactly, but we do know that he.

754
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 6: Was in Miami at the same time, and they have

755
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 6: bions and and all of the police bodies had been

756
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 6: sort of looking for this because they found the truck,

757
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 6: so they knew that he was in the vicinity.

758
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Speaker 3: So they knew he was in Miami for a while.

759
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Speaker 3: And they didn't do anything, but they would I mean,

760
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Speaker 3: I'm sure they were looking for him, right.

761
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 6: Okay, So now murder happens by one of the most

762
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 6: famous figures in the fashion industry in the house of Versace, right,

763
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Speaker 6: he's found shot point blank execut cution style on the

764
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 6: front of his stairs in the morning, in the early hours,

765
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Speaker 6: with a dead pigeon next to it, which is symbolic

766
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Speaker 6: of a mafia hit.

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Speaker 2: And Doronto Fear, our true crime pop culture expert is

768
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: here with us, thankfully, and he's giving us a little

769
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: scoop on the Andrew Cunanan case. You'll remember he killed

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00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: many Versace, being the most infamous of them, back in

771
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Speaker 2: Miami Beach in nineteen ninety seven, and Doran had a

772
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Speaker 2: very close connection to this case. In fact, he was

773
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Speaker 2: working the door at the nightclub that Andrew Kunan in

774
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: the killer.

775
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Speaker 3: Allegedly allegedly allegedly was at the night club the night before.

776
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Speaker 3: So Douran continued, had us at the edge of our seats.

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Speaker 6: Okay, So where I leave off is that Gianni Rossanchi

778
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 6: was murdered execution style with a shot clean shot to

779
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 6: the head and a pigeon was found next to it,

780
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 6: which is a tailtale sign of a mafia hit. Where

781
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 6: the question started happening now in real time, was that

782
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 6: you find this body of a world famous celebrity murdered

783
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 6: gun down on one of the most busiest streets in

784
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Speaker 6: Miami Beach. Celebrity death is not common in Miami at

785
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 6: this time. And now you've got swat teams, the FBI,

786
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 6: the world is clamoring for information about who did this.

787
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 8: And this is where I'm going to go into a

788
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 8: conspiracy theory here.

789
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Speaker 6: And if you did watch Ryan Murphy's take on it,

790
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 6: he sort of alluded to this, which I found very

791
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 6: interesting when watching it because it gave me a check

792
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 6: mark in my head being on the ground at the time.

793
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 6: And again, my connection to this is obviously, you know,

794
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 6: just it was a brush by, but I like to

795
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 6: take sort of you know, liberties he could have.

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Speaker 3: Been, you could have been a target Doronto fear. Thank goodness, anybody.

797
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 6: Was for him because you know, you know, okay, well

798
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: I'm alive, so.

799
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Speaker 8: Notckwood. So here's where he gets interesting.

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Speaker 6: So the conversation begins with Donna TULLIVERSACEI and at that time,

801
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Speaker 6: the Versa the House of Versace is a Italian fashion

802
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 6: house which was bill on the backs of Gianni. But

803
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: it is a family operation and he was going public.

804
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 6: She wanted to go publish she wanted to take the

805
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Speaker 6: House of Versace public, which would have been worth a

806
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 6: billion dollars at the time, and Gianni was adamantly opposed

807
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Speaker 6: to this. He was absolutely not. The other thing about

808
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Speaker 6: this is you're talking about a very pious family Roman Catholics,

809
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Speaker 6: and they did not appreciate that Gianni Versaci had now

810
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Speaker 6: been living this life in Miami.

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Speaker 8: That was very open LGBT proud Wow.

812
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Speaker 6: He was the first person to ever release the male

813
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Speaker 6: supermodel book Men Without Ties, which featured men and paid

814
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 6: them accordingly to the female mark. And you know, his

815
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 6: notorious parties A La Ditty parties were infamous in Miami.

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Speaker 3: Did you go to any of those parties?

817
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Speaker 8: I didn't. We'll keep that out of there, but they

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Speaker 8: were infamous at that time.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the question was was Andrew Kunanan involved

820
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 6: in this or was he at one point had a

821
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Speaker 6: brush with it. The point is that nobody really knows

822
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Speaker 6: because no one's ever seen him there before.

823
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 8: I had never seen him before.

824
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 6: And I had seen pretty much everyone in Miami because

825
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 6: they had to come through my door at one point

826
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 6: or another. Now, I'm not being an expert in this,

827
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Speaker 6: but then the theory is is that he was assassinated

828
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Speaker 6: by the mafia at Donna Tella's request.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, Groano fear. That's the conspiracy. That's not.

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Speaker 8: The conspiracy.

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Speaker 6: And I can tell you where this rumor began because

832
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 6: there was a book in twenty ten attributed to the

833
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 6: former Nagarita member who claimed that the murder was ordered

834
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 6: by the calabri In mafia. But I can tell you

835
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Speaker 6: that at the time, everybody talked about this assassination, the

836
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 6: dead pigeon, and that it was very convenient for the

837
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 6: Miami Beach Police Department to lay it on this They

838
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: knew Cunanan was there, and how convenient would it be

839
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 6: that they it was wrapped up very quickly, never to

840
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 6: be heard from again. And we don't know because Cunanan

841
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 6: committed suicide and his body was found nude on a houseboat.

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Speaker 3: On a houseboat very close to where you were living

843
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Speaker 3: at the time. So I'll hold that thought again.

844
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Speaker 2: We don't want to cut you off, Dron, but edge

845
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Speaker 2: of our seats, We're going to be right back, and

846
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: don't forget for anybody listening at home, we want to

847
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: hear from you.

848
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: Also. We have a very big night.

849
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Speaker 2: We are choosing the name of our screening club or our.

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00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: Book club whatever we're calling it.

851
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: Oh, there's no books involved, actually, but this is true crime.

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 3: Tonight, we will be right back.

853
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Please stick with us. Our trailer for The Idaho Massacre,

854
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: the final season, just dropped tonight, so please check it out.

855
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Speaker 2: We're really looking forward to you hearing it. And I'm joined,

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Speaker 2: of course by Body Movin. You'll know her from our

857
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Speaker 2: podcasts and also from Donuf with Kats, the Netflix documentary,

858
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Speaker 2: and also doron opear. He is our pop culture true

859
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: crime expert and he's been filling us in about this

860
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Speaker 2: versace Ah, that case from nineteen ninety seven where Gianni

861
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Speaker 2: Vassaci was murdered allegedly by Andrew Kunanan, who later took

862
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: his own life, and Doran sort of insider experience. During

863
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: that case, Douran was running the doors. It's actually when

864
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: I met Doran. In fact, I was working for a

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Speaker 2: local news station and Doran was working the doors at

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Speaker 2: all of the nightclubs. The lines were around the block

867
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Speaker 2: and I used to have to go up there and

868
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: ask him what's doing and he would part the ways

869
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 2: for me and I always appreciated it, and we have

870
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: stayed lifelong colleagues ever since. So yes, Dorn and I

871
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: just want to be high edge of our seat.

872
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 6: As titillating as this conspiracy theory is, the rumor that

873
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 6: Dona Tella ordered gianni'ssassination is entirely unsubstantiated. The family came

874
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 6: out publicly to sort of stop this, but it is

875
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 6: something to think about, and I, you know, if there

876
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 6: wants to give us a talk, pack, I would love

877
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 6: to continue it.

878
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: By the way, it's a very scary allegation though, when

879
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: you think about it.

880
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: This is his sister.

881
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 2: So the idea that it's being put out there that

882
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 2: Versachi's sister took his life or put a hit on

883
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: him as is pretty intense. I was always under the

884
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: impression that they were extremely close. Andrew knon I think

885
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: it was Andrew. I have my own connection to Andrew knanan.

886
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 3: Let's hear it. While it's not really to him, Luca

887
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: really loved him, Luca mcno I could see how that

888
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 3: is all right. Mcnaa also thought he was you know,

889
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 3: his genes were great, and he was he called himself

890
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: the King of Canada, right, so just like just like

891
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: and he was an escort just like Luca, Andrew was

892
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 3: nothing and he wanted to be something. And I think

893
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: he killed Versace to get his name in the paper.

894
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: But you know, but Andrew kunan and had an interesting background. Right,

895
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: So he was raised in a very kind of affluent household, right,

896
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: Wasn't he raised around some extravagance, which always sort of

897
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: surprised me.

898
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 3: It wasn't. As though he was seven he spoke seven

899
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: leven language.

900
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, by the time he was twenty one, he was

901
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 8: well educated.

902
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 3: And he had a paper high IQ by all accounts, Yeah,

903
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: he was not. He was not a dumb guy. But yeah,

904
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: that's the that's the Andrew Kunanan story. If you want

905
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 3: to weigh in, give us a call eighty eight thirty

906
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: one Crime or hit us on the talkbacks. Darn is

907
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: dying for and Andrew Canaanan talkback. I can see him

908
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: making Google. We have a talkback now.

909
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 6: If you haven't seen the assassination of Johnny Brissaci, it's

910
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 6: a must watch.

911
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: It's so good. It really is so good. So we

912
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: have a talkback.

913
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 11: Let's hit it, Hi, ladies, today is talkback Tuesday that

914
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 11: I'm listening to. This is Stephanie from Pennsylvania. And you

915
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 11: guys were talking about Diddy and how he's not really

916
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 11: out in the public eye right now, so to speak,

917
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 11: like out in the media. We haven't heard anything about

918
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 11: his sons, and they're pressing charges that they have against them.

919
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 3: Can you fill us in? Yeah, so much wit, such.

920
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 12: A good work.

921
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 3: I just love you guys. Oh that's so sweet.

922
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, and such a good You have

923
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: a great, great speaking voice.

924
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: It sounds very familiar at this point.

925
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we have seen some quiet times in the

926
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: land of Diddy, except for Sean Ditty Combs, who of

927
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: course is now serving time behind bars and is waiting

928
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: for his sentencing hearing to happen. It's looking like later

929
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: in the year there is some back and forth. He

930
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: has slapped News Nation in his former associate, Candice Burgus,

931
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: with a one hundred million dollar lawsuit, claiming that he

932
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: had you know, there was defamation involved. You'll remember this

933
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: former associate basically said that they had tape of these

934
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: freak offs and that Didy was, you know, being with

935
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: underage girls and all kinds of allegations that were apparently

936
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: on videotape, and then those tapes never really substantiated. Remember

937
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: nobody ever came in defense of Ditty or really overly

938
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: spoke out from his camp. Right, that became a very closed,

939
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: very closed case.

940
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 3: So we're curious.

941
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: You know, he had filed this fifty million dollar lawsuit

942
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: back several months ago, back in January, and now he's

943
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: just upped it to one hundred million, and we are

944
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,280
Speaker 2: hearing from his attorney. Like we mentioned last night, Garret

945
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: goes that he's hoping for some sort of a pardon

946
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: from Trump and that even though did he has had

947
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: some disparaging things to say about the President, that he

948
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: would pledge his allegiance any time. And we are all

949
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: kind of waiting to see. And as far as the

950
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: other lawsuits, nothing has changed. They're still sort of pending.

951
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: But there has been this very quiet time and I

952
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: have to assume that's by design.

953
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about the Suns, the sons, Yeah, like

954
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: nothing has changed yet.

955
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: They're all still a waiting in their in their various

956
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: different cases. But we haven't inserted any new allegations that

957
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: have come forth and none of them have been dropped.

958
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: Wow. Well, I have an army hammer hammer story. You

959
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 3: want to get into that. Yeah, Okay, so disgraced do

960
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: you guys remember Armie Hammer. Of course, so disgraced and

961
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 3: after Armie Hammer is making headlines again after claiming on

962
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: a podcast that he marijuana roofed Johnny Depp okay while

963
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 3: they were on a press tour together in twenty thirteen.

964
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 3: So this is kind of interesting. So in a recent

965
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: podcast episode, Armie Hammer recounted a twenty thirteen incident where

966
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 3: he says he got co star Johnny Depp extremely high

967
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 3: before a prece event for the Lone Ranger movie, leading

968
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 3: them to be kept apart for the rest of the

969
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: promotional tour. The story comes in as Hammer continues to

970
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: make headlines for his real you know, like his past behavior,

971
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: including bizarre hunting rituals and addressing past allegations.

972
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 6: So he said, this is this just sensationalism because he

973
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 6: didn't actually roofy anybody. Now, what he did was he

974
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 6: got him so high that they separated him because you know,

975
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 6: he's a troublemaker and he's the bad influence friend. Now,

976
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to protect Armie Hammer here in any way,

977
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 6: shape or form. However, the House of Hammer documentary series

978
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 6: on A and E is one of those documentary series

979
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 6: that I watched that.

980
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 8: I had a ton of criticism about.

981
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 6: It was so sensational in a way that it basically

982
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 6: evisceraates him before there was any kind of real investigation,

983
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 6: of which later that investigation was then fully dropped. The

984
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 6: main person that they talked about they talked about without

985
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,959
Speaker 6: her consent, and the interviewers that were on it, one of.

986
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 8: Them that was so compelling throughout the whole thing.

987
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 6: Only at the end does she actually say, I'm so

988
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 6: glad I never met him.

989
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 8: So it was all about this sort of fantasy.

990
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 6: Back and forth of back to the BDSM King of

991
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 6: dark fantasies, And the truth was, did he ever really

992
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 6: cut off a pinky and eat it?

993
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 8: Did he barbecue a rib? So it does yeah, because

994
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 8: I'm a little.

995
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 3: Like, okay, listen to this. A couple of years ago,

996
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: maybe like two years ago, I got a message on

997
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 3: TikTok and the lady was to me, did you see

998
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: what Armie Hammer said about you? And I'm like, excuse me,

999
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: I swear to God Doron I'll send it to you.

1000
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: And I said what, and she said yeah, go look.

1001
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: So she sent me a link and I went looked,

1002
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: and sure enough he was texting somebody I don't know

1003
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,959
Speaker 3: who and saying, oh, I just finished watching don'nuf with Cats.

1004
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 3: I got really turned on and the girl was like

1005
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: what and he was like, yeah, episode three really turned

1006
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 3: me on, and I was like, it was episode three

1007
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: about unfortunately. Episode three is the episode in don'no with

1008
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: Cats spoiler alert and trigger warning where Luca mcnatagh kills

1009
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: Juan Lyn, he dismembers his body and cannibalizes him. I

1010
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: was like, I don't know what to say about that.

1011
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 3: I will say, I swear.

1012
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 8: You have just literally, I just I'm I'll.

1013
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: Text it to you this, so okay, I will say this.

1014
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: The podcast called Painful Lessons with Tyler Ramsay is really

1015
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 2: about recovery and sort of life after difficult times. So

1016
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: I didn't hear it personally. This is the first time

1017
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: hearing about it. But I have to assume there's some

1018
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: sort of redemption conversation at the heart of it.

1019
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what he said on the show. He said,

1020
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: but is that a crime?

1021
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 8: Here's the thing.

1022
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 6: Is it really criminal to have outrageous fantasies if you

1023
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 6: don't actually act on them. Now, I'm not defending and

1024
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 6: if there are women who suffered.

1025
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 8: Essay at his hands. It breaks my heart. And the credible, the.

1026
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 6: One that had actually had the video, that had really

1027
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: claimed the credibility and filed the lawsuit. There's a lot there,

1028
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 6: but ultimately it never really went to trial. And that

1029
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 6: documentary made it seem like all of this was real,

1030
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 6: and I felt like it was an assassination job. And

1031
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 6: I just think it's the responsibility of us of bloggers, broadcasters,

1032
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 6: documentarians to tell a critical thinking story. And I'm not

1033
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: saying you have to defend the other side, but at

1034
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 6: least you don't highlight somebody who just had this conversation

1035
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: the whole time that leads up to what's supposedly going

1036
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 6: to be a horrific.

1037
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 8: Meeting, only at the end to say I changed my mind.

1038
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 6: At the end, I'm so glad I never met him

1039
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 6: after reading these texts, right, no, you know what I mean,

1040
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 6: And even as somebody who watched it unfold on the screen,

1041
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 6: because if you watch the documentary, it shows that the

1042
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 6: texts exchange the people who were receiving the text from him,

1043
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 6: where he starts to sort of groom or you know,

1044
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 6: hit on sort of this darker material. They start to

1045
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 6: like it, which basically gives him the acknowledgment to go

1046
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 6: to the next level or to continue the conversation. You

1047
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 6: don't like it, hang up, disconnect, ghost block.

1048
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got no problem.

1049
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: So true, And I think the spirit of it was

1050
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: that he's claiming that he was very inebriated.

1051
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: I would assume. Yeah, I don't know if you know

1052
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 3: what to say here, Let's go to a fun talk

1053
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 3: back because the cannibalism stuff, I just can't. I just cannot.

1054
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: Can we hear it?

1055
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 13: Talk about Hi? Un bras love the show. I'm really wondering.

1056
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 13: And I know this is a pretty off top of question,

1057
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 13: but I really couldn't put it off. But what kind

1058
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 13: of do you recommend while watching these dock ah?

1059
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 3: What do we recommend? Chips? Oh, I can tell you that.

1060
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 3: I can tell you that too. Listen, yeah, flame it

1061
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 3: not Chito's lemon, and you have to eat them with

1062
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: chopsticks otherwise your fingers are gonna end up reread. But

1063
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with them. I swear to got all my

1064
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 3: weight gain is from flaming chitos.

1065
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: I have the greatest tip that I somehow saw and

1066
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know who to credit for it, but

1067
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 2: it is so delicious.

1068
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 3: Two things.

1069
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: One obviously just having some tortilla chips and putting cheddar

1070
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: cheese on it and microwaving it for one minute and

1071
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: having nachos.

1072
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: But also if you take cottage cheese.

1073
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: Which I know sounds disgusting, just a vat of cottage cheese,

1074
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: and then you take sour cream rice cakes, the little

1075
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: mini ones, and you dip it.

1076
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: I promise you it is. I'll try it.

1077
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: If you like sour cream and I love sour cream,

1078
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: you just take those little mini rice cakes, the sour

1079
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: cream ones and dip it into the cottage cheese and

1080
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: it is a delicious, healthy snack.

1081
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 3: Well, I need those because I need and diet. Listen,

1082
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: if I die, they're going to open me up for

1083
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 3: autopsy and it's going to be diet coke and blaming chitos.

1084
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just a fan of the smart pop

1085
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 8: white cheddar.

1086
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: Oh those are delicious.

1087
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: It gets almost in your hands, though you have to

1088
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: like sit with like a warm paper towel that's already

1089
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 2: wet beside you.

1090
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 3: Correctly, I love those popcorns. Great ques, really good question.

1091
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: Maybe we can get us he listen if Flamingla Chitos

1092
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 3: wants to sponsor me for the show, the Documentary Club.

1093
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 3: You know, we'll promote it on the A.

1094
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went from cannibalism potentially to oh god, yes, listen.

1095
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: We're also going to be right back because there no

1096
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Fear is sticking with us and we're going to switch

1097
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: gears to a different tale. And also, don't forget we

1098
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: have our big naming woo the poll.

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00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 8: The Documentary watch Club.

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00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, you can't call it that because it hasn't

1101
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 3: been called that yet.

1102
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 8: That's the general name. That's not the title.

1103
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: Oh I think that should be the title, but again

1104
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 2: I'm not giving my idea way. We're talking true crime

1105
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Body Move In,

1106
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: and we're joined tonight by Doronto Fear, who was our

1107
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 2: pop culture true crime expert. He's been talking a lot

1108
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: to us about this, Andrew Kuonan, and we're putting that

1109
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: to bed I think officially right. But here's what's not

1110
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: going to bed quite yet, because it has been a

1111
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 2: really the day has been a flutter talking about this

1112
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: screening club we're going to have. This was Body's original

1113
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 2: idea now dorn is jumping in and trying to take

1114
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: credit for it. They were battling out behind the scenes

1115
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: here in the studio. Tah, break them up, break them up.

1116
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: But listen, we have to name the club, so just

1117
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 2: for the rules and so you know what we're doing here.

1118
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: So once a month, we're all going to be assigned

1119
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: I assume by one of the two bosses of the

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: show right now, which who's going to choose?

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00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 3: I think body.

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00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: Let's say Body will choose what documentary or project or

1123
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: show or something a little I don't know, a video

1124
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 2: play of sorts that we're all going to watch and

1125
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: we all collectively will have X amount of time to watch,

1126
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 2: and then we can all create a swell by discussing

1127
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: it and talking about it real time, so that way

1128
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 2: we're not spoiling anything for any Why.

1129
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: That's the idea.

1130
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: We don't want to be a spoiler alert central and

1131
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: also some of the stuff is really fun to talk about,

1132
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:35,919
Speaker 2: so we.

1133
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 8: Also want to get engaged.

1134
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 6: Were the listeners to get involved with this so that

1135
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 6: weekly It's well, why we keep saying book club, because

1136
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 6: it's the most equivalent thing that people would reminisce. So

1137
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 6: whatever the documentary is you must watch at least X

1138
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 6: number of minutes of a movie or the exa.

1139
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: It could be a movie. Does it only be a documentary?

1140
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: Can be a movie?

1141
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1142
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 3: In scripted series, yeah for sure, talk.

1143
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 6: About it and so all of the juicy behavior and

1144
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 6: we'll leave online just.

1145
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: I want to read the book based on that's fine,

1146
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: or it has to be to be the okay, So

1147
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: there's no reading involved.

1148
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: There's no reading. Okay, I'm not doing hey boo and

1149
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 3: the reading. Oh right, everyone's so outside the reading. So

1150
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 3: we have a lust of names rights.

1151
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 6: You guys did a shout out to this and we

1152
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 6: got a ton of responses and I had to narrow

1153
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 6: down hundreds of these, and since I am a pop

1154
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 6: culture expert, I was like, well, what really resonates me? So,

1155
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 6: as Rupeaul would say, I think I'm going to help

1156
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 6: make the final decision, but that's not actually true.

1157
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 8: All I did was narrow it down to the top ten.

1158
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 6: You know, I love a list, so I'm going to

1159
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 6: start with first one being I'll stay on theme.

1160
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 8: Popcorn and perps.

1161
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: Popcorn and perps like per perpetrators.

1162
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: Oh, popcorn and perps, not like you said, perks I

1163
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 3: was like perks.

1164
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 8: Individual bite sized moments, have fun.

1165
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 6: Killer, Watch Party, Okay, True Crime and Chill Murder.

1166
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 8: They watched Deadly Viewing, Sleuth, Stream, Stream.

1167
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 6: Of Suspects, Watch Club, Final Two, Truth, Real Society, trs,

1168
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 6: and Documented Minds.

1169
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,959
Speaker 8: Oh what are your thoughts? Wait?

1170
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: I have one that's not even on the list. Okay,

1171
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: so what about crime Watch?

1172
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 8: Okay? Did you send it in? Did you follow the rolls?

1173
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: So let's throw in crime I think crime Watch? That's

1174
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: my vote?

1175
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: Could I add my screwing up the game already? Sorry,

1176
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm already putting a curveball into the game. Well, I

1177
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 2: know I'm supposed to choose, So I choose crime Watch,

1178
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: which is also not on the list. But now we'll

1179
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: have eleven to choose from how exciting those eleven? We

1180
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 2: pick one that we like, and that's what people are

1181
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: going to vote on. Is that what's not going to happen?

1182
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, take you one, and then we'll narrow it down

1183
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 8: to those.

1184
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 14: We'll have these view and now our viewers audience the audience,

1185
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 14: so the listeners will pick the best one.

1186
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: Is this American idol going to listen? I'm going to

1187
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: do number three True Crime and chill. I get it.

1188
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 8: She's staying on brand.

1189
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying a brand that I mean Neflix. I'm

1190
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: still what is yours stand for? Again? I don't know

1191
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 3: why I can't get this one in my head.

1192
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 6: The one that I want to me honestly, and I

1193
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 6: think that it's it's again cheeky and pop culture related.

1194
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 8: Is Murder they watch?

1195
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: That is pretty cute. I like, pretty good one. I agree,

1196
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: what about you? That's a tough one. Ta, how was

1197
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 3: your vote?

1198
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 14: I kind of like the watch Club. It was just

1199
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 14: pretty easy.

1200
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 3: Crime Crime Watch, So listen, Sovanila, I know, but what

1201
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: can I say?

1202
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 6: You know that's watch Club and crime Watch are two

1203
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 6: different ones. Stephanie Yours's crime Watch. The audience wanted watch Club. Okay,

1204
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 6: we've got those. I'm on Murder they watched, and body's

1205
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 6: on murder, crime and chill.

1206
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 14: Okay, in Ta, I'm gonna go with watch Club as well,

1207
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 14: like I'm gonna go with watch Club and I like

1208
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 14: Crime Watch. I'm torn.

1209
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 8: So those are the two. TikTok and do we want

1210
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 8: to You.

1211
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: Gave a little wins though, Okay, so you like Okay,

1212
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: It's fine. I don't mind losing.

1213
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 8: I'm I want to hear, I want to hear.

1214
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, I might have to go with body on a

1215
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 11: true crime and chillun you.

1216
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, that's that's so true. There's nothing about saying

1217
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: a little crime watching.

1218
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: I'm killer watch Party.

1219
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 8: That was my second choice.

1220
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: Sam, My second choice is popcorn and purpse. I think

1221
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: that's pretty cute too.

1222
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 6: I also like the acronyms. So if you're going with

1223
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 6: Killer watch parties w and if you're going with watch Club,

1224
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 6: it's just w C.

1225
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 3: You guys are the enthusiasm and excitement and a feeling it.

1226
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: At home and that you're all getting at your Freeto's

1227
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: and your Cheetos and your popcorn and your cheddar cheese

1228
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: and your sour cream chips.

1229
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 6: We want to hear from you, guys, which would make

1230
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 6: you excited and would be a part of our secret

1231
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 6: society of documentary watch Club enthusiast.

1232
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 3: Speaking of society, what happened to Red String Society?

1233
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 8: That was one of these I canceled that one. Why

1234
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 8: I didn't, well, I'm sorry about it.

1235
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 6: And I understand that true crime lovers automatically go to

1236
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 6: a place where they say, oh, the Red String Society

1237
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 6: of connecting that red string between the pictures on a wall,

1238
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 6: and you know, I went to like Noma stay Yoghi's

1239
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 6: kind of smelling like Julie.

1240
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 8: Sort of the haabalah of it all, and I felt

1241
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 8: like that, Okay, wrong way to go.

1242
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 3: That's a good point. I didn't think about that. This

1243
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 3: is why Doran, who is with us tonight thankfully, along

1244
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 3: with Stephanie and myself body movin. You want a weigh

1245
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: and give us a call eighty eight thirty one crime.

1246
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 3: But that is why Doran is the pop culture expert,

1247
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 3: because I didn't even think of that. So thank you,

1248
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 3: thank you for having I can tell you.

1249
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 6: I can tell you that I'm getting a text message

1250
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 6: from a family member that says that they're listening I

1251
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 6: guess live, which is crazy, and they're saying they like

1252
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 6: they think it should be called the crime Scene Collective.

1253
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: Ooh, I like the crime collective. I like crime scene

1254
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: Collective too, But I have a friend that runs an

1255
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 3: organization called crime scene Collective. Did Oscar vote behind the scenes?

1256
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: Was there a secret ballot by Oscar as well?

1257
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 14: Unfortunately he was not a part of this, but he

1258
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 14: told me.

1259
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 3: He texted me he loves he did Crime Watch. No, he.

1260
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 8: Very seek Okay, well we need we need to we

1261
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 8: need to cross.

1262
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: To make sure that please, he's on my phone is

1263
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: blowing up right now, everyone's.

1264
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 8: Calling Crime Crime Watch, bringing up the hook. Just don't

1265
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 8: mind everyone. Let's go in the top five now, top

1266
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 8: fin cri.

1267
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 3: No, I don't have a single text from my friends.

1268
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 3: All of my friends are fired. Okay, I just want

1269
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 3: you to gays know, No, nobody's texting me anything.

1270
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, they need to get their priorities together. Honestly,

1271
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: let's name this club and call it a day.

1272
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 8: Okay, So what greeting kids?

1273
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 6: What's in play for the audience to send the time

1274
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 6: so quick? It's watch Party, Crime and Chill Murder. They

1275
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 6: watched Watch Club, right, I watched the.

1276
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 8: Crime Watch Crime Watch. Yeah, there we go. That's the

1277
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 8: top five. We gotta all there.

1278
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: So what are we going to do? We're going to

1279
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 3: do ada on social media? Is that what we're doing.

1280
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 14: What we're going to do is we're going to post

1281
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 14: this on social media, all five of these, and now

1282
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 14: all of our listeners will be able to choose the

1283
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 14: one that they think. Whoever, which everyone gets the most

1284
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 14: vote that's the title of what we're going to call

1285
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 14: this club.

1286
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 3: I just want everybody to remember who I am, and

1287
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: I will find out if you vote against me. Oh

1288
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 3: you can vote against me. I will find what happens.

1289
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 6: Also, somebody as somebody who's at like you know, who

1290
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 6: does comic conventions, I can get you secret to coder rings, hats.

1291
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: And oh you could. Also you want to be cast

1292
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 3: on the next reality one new Hitch show. What are

1293
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 3: you casting right now?

1294
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: Darn?

1295
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: What do we need to know about?

1296
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 8: Okay?

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm currently casting incredible singers for American Idol.

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Speaker 8: We're going into our.

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Speaker 6: Penulptuous season and I'm looking for sixteen to twenty nine

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Speaker 6: year olds who have the voice, the charisma, and the

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Speaker 6: ability to win American Idol in the hearts of America. So,

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Speaker 6: if you are a singer, know somebody who's a singer

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Speaker 6: who sings in the shower, sings while washing dishes. It's

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Speaker 6: your daughter, it's your your aunt, it is your son

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Speaker 6: in law. Please send me that information. Hit us up

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 6: and you can find me in my socials and I

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Speaker 6: will arrange a producer direct interview. So that means that

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Speaker 6: you are not going to the open call you don't

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Speaker 6: have to wait online.

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Speaker 8: I am the VIP.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, the drum roll please you know what.

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Speaker 3: I'm the document I was sitting with an American Idol

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Speaker 3: casting director. She would be freaking out. My poor mother.

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Speaker 3: She just loved American Idol.

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Speaker 6: Man And if anyone's watching something lighthearted, are You the

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Speaker 6: one is coming out? Sorry, I actually miss stated that

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Speaker 6: my Are You my first is coming out on Hulu

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Speaker 6: premieeres August eighteenth, and that is a show about virgins

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Speaker 6: and whether they will find love and maybe change their lives.

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Speaker 8: Actually, Hulu premiering.

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Speaker 3: On the eighteen, So it's a love show.

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Speaker 8: It's a love dating show. Yeah, and it's extraordinary. The

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Speaker 8: cast is incredible. You should watch it.

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Speaker 3: I'm so excited. And it's going to be on Hulu.

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Speaker 8: Hum h August the premieeres.

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Speaker 3: We'll have to check five for the screen baby party.

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Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, maybe that.

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Speaker 8: Could be part of us. It's not a true crime, yes, you.

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Speaker 3: Know yet you know many reality stars do you know

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Speaker 3: any reality stars are committing crimes? Like for real? Like

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Speaker 3: so many?

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Speaker 1: Not me.

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Speaker 3: I'm not one of them. But if anything, my castmates

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Speaker 3: are listening. Watch out you might be next. Don't pulliny

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Speaker 3: shenanigans because you might end up in the news on

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Speaker 3: my show and you don't want to be on my show.

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Speaker 2: We are doing a couple of stories that do center

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Speaker 2: around the reality world and some of the crimes that

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Speaker 2: have been committed in and around or because of so

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Speaker 2: definitely more on that to come, and again we want

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Speaker 2: to get your vote. We also want your opinion, so

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Speaker 2: eight eight eight three one crime. Can leave us a

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 2: message or a talk back, or hit us up in

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01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: our socials. And remember, if you've missed any of the show,

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Speaker 2: you could always catch it right after as a podcast.

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Speaker 3: So we really appreciate you listening and more importantly, thank

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Speaker 3: you for your vote. You'll be right back with you

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Speaker 3: ran no fear Listen.

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of debate about this new screening

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Speaker 2: viewing club that we're trying to start, so we definitely

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01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: want to hear your answer in your vote eight eight

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Speaker 2: eight three one crime. Please jump in anytime. And also,

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Speaker 2: you know from our previous talkback we were talking a

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Speaker 2: little bit about Diddy and any new developments in that case.

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Speaker 2: And worth noting is that kid Cuddy who infamously really

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Speaker 2: had to speak out against Ditty. I'm this you know,

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Speaker 2: infamous trial, right. He testified, you know, just as a reminder,

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Speaker 2: he was Cassie Ventura, who is Ditty's ex girlfriend's ex boyfriend,

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Speaker 2: meaning after Ditty she started dating Kid Cutty, and you know,

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Speaker 2: his tail was pretty harrowing if you recall. Basically, he

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Speaker 2: said that Ditty was almost hunting him and essentially accused

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Speaker 2: him of lighting his with lighting his car on fire

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Speaker 2: with the Maltov cocktail, and that when Kid Cuddy got

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Speaker 2: back to his home, he felt as though Diddy had

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Speaker 2: been in it and was threatening him, and all that

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Speaker 2: really led to a lot of nothing as we know.

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Speaker 2: And I guess Kid Cutty is officially speaking out and

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Speaker 2: saying that he is cutting all ties with those times

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Speaker 2: and all ties with Sean Combs, and you know, he

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Speaker 2: wanted to stick up for Cassie Ventura and felt as

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Speaker 2: though he had to and kind of wants to wash

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Speaker 2: his hands of all of it.

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Speaker 3: What do you guys think about that? Listen? You know

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Speaker 3: how I feel. I don't care about Diddy. I just don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't care about the Diddy story. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know why. I just don't I

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Speaker 3: don't care about any of these people. I know it's stupid.

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Speaker 3: I know that sounds terrible. I mean, listen, she's I do.

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Speaker 3: She's living her life. She's got a beautiful family. Like

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Speaker 3: I'm happy for her. But I just I just don't

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Speaker 3: have interest in these those kinds of things. I don't

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Speaker 3: know why, but I just don't. I know that makes

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Speaker 3: me boring, but no.

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Speaker 2: You're the faest thing regards God topic. So like, there

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Speaker 2: a talkback we can go to. Right now, let's do

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Speaker 2: the ooh, let's do it. You want to do talkback roulette?

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Speaker 13: I do.

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Speaker 3: Let's go right now. Okay, let's do it.

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Speaker 5: Hi, all, this is jessper again from Newfoundland, Canada. Movie

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Speaker 5: for having the body language expert on and thanks for

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Speaker 5: asking every question that popped into my head during that episode.

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Speaker 8: As well.

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Speaker 3: With regards to.

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Speaker 5: Gypsy Rose, there is a podcast called Blink episode thirteen. Specifically,

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Speaker 5: they did an interview with a representative from the Munchausen

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Speaker 5: Support Association and it gives me a different perspective.

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Speaker 3: When I'm listening to you guys talk about this. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's the check out easy.

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Speaker 2: Munchausen's disorder is a real mess and if you're not

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Speaker 2: familiar with what that is. That's you know, it's typically

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Speaker 2: mothers to their children that are seeking some sort of attention,

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Speaker 2: sympathy for them and therefore attention.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in Gypsy Rose's case, you know, her mother, very overbearing,

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Speaker 2: was with her twenty four hours a day, was saying that,

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Speaker 2: you know, Gypsy was suffering from all of these ailments

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Speaker 2: of which she was really suffering from none, and essentially

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Speaker 2: was making her sick so that mom could get a

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Speaker 2: free house or be it is not of as a

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Speaker 2: saint right, so her saintly motherhood and dealing with this

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Speaker 2: sickly child and exactly giving her the best life and

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Speaker 2: making her out to be the mother of the year

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Speaker 2: kind of situation.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, no, I'll have to check that out. I

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Speaker 3: never I haven't heard that podcast off. Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 3: for sharing, Thank you for sharing. Yet and I love Nufie,

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Speaker 3: I love Newfoundland.

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Speaker 8: Well, I was just like a give a shout out

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Speaker 8: to Newfoundland.

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Speaker 6: My favorite Broadway musical is Come from Away and it

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Speaker 6: is the story of the nine to eleven planes that

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Speaker 6: landed in Newfoundland.

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Speaker 8: And it's so strange topic.

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Speaker 6: To have as a musical, but it is so beautiful,

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Speaker 6: so heartwarming, and it's such an incredible musical, and it's

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Speaker 6: actually available, you can watch it.

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Speaker 8: I do believe that it's.

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Speaker 6: Either on Disney Plus or on Apple Plus and you

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Speaker 6: can watch the entire musical.

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Speaker 3: Didn't the resident events that where the planes land like

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Speaker 3: the residents in Newfoundland offer their homes.

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Speaker 8: Up to me? It is an extraordinary story that I

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Speaker 8: knew nothing about. And if you watch it, it'll uplift you.

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Speaker 6: It'll make you love Newfound Nound, It'll make you love

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Speaker 6: the people of Newfoundland.

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Speaker 8: And it's an incredible musical.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. New Fees are great. I love them. I like

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Speaker 3: the way they talk. I'm very shallow. I like the

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Speaker 3: way they talk. Let's go to another talk back.

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Speaker 7: Hi, ladies, missus Amanda from Misseri, I was just wondering

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Speaker 7: what your opinions were on allegedly all of the inmates

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Speaker 7: that are in the jail that Brian colbergers in and

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Speaker 7: even though he's in solidary confinement, that they are using

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Speaker 7: the event to allegedly harass him and make stabbing noises

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Speaker 7: and stuff like that. I just didn't know if you

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Speaker 7: guys had an opinion. Personally, I think even though he's

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Speaker 7: in solidary confinement. I think it's a little deserved off

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Speaker 7: of what he did to those poor victims in the

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Speaker 7: surviving roommates having to live with that trauma. That's just

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Speaker 7: my opinion, but I didn't know if you guys had

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Speaker 7: any takes on that either.

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Speaker 15: I don't agree more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree one thousand percent. Let him be, you know,

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01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 2: sleep deprived. Is that what he's complaining about. It's been

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Speaker 2: really tough for him because he's not napping enough. So

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Speaker 2: Brian Coburger, who is the now known killer in the

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Speaker 2: Idaho massacre, if you haven't been following along his fellow

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Speaker 2: inmates in this very scary prison that he finds himself

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Speaker 2: in for life four times over, is complaining about the

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Speaker 2: noise and the inmates seems to really be rallying against him,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's great and I eat it up.

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Speaker 8: They are bullying him.

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Speaker 6: I was just reading a story about it that he's

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Speaker 6: complaining about the fact that he's being bullied by the

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Speaker 6: other inmates.

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Speaker 8: And my point about that is, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Expect exactly and who cares you kind of give away

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Speaker 2: that right you are looking at a death sentenced trial.

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Speaker 2: You haven't given any explanation or information regards why or

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Speaker 2: who or what like all the things, and now you're

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Speaker 2: just feeling like you're not getting a good night's rest.

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Speaker 3: You shouldn't slaughter for people. Yeah, like, listen, I don't

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Speaker 3: like Brian Kolberger.

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Speaker 8: Obviously, no rea for the wicked.

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Speaker 3: I don't like him, and I hope you know his

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Speaker 3: prison stay is terrible and humiliating. However, our justice system

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Speaker 3: has worked, right, this is the this is how things work.

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Speaker 3: I don't know have we seen credible news sources on

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Speaker 3: this yet? Mm hmm, yeah, okay, I haven't checked. Listen,

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Speaker 3: I've been busy today. Okay, I haven't checked.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, no, I mean listen, take off what

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Speaker 2: it's worth. Yes, it does appear that the inmates are

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Speaker 2: like screaming through the vents all day. They're all taking

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Speaker 2: turns and they're just making keep Brian Coberger to possibly

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Speaker 2: get on. And it sounds like the conditions are a

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Speaker 2: little bit rough and to Doran's point, you know, there

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Speaker 2: is no sleep for the wicked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, next, talk back, let's do it.

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Speaker 12: Hi, it's Cricket from Connecticut again. Cricket, I called in

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Speaker 12: about the La Bianca house and I was actually looking

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Speaker 12: at it.

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Speaker 3: It was for rent to live.

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Speaker 12: In and this would have been back in the late

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Speaker 12: eighties or early nineties, so yeah, to live in. The

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Speaker 12: Lost Socca House was actually the house that they used

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Speaker 12: to practice in order to enter into the Sharon Tait House,

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Speaker 12: so it was like a practice run. And it was

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Speaker 12: a husband and a wife who were brutally murdered in

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Speaker 12: the middle of the night.

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Speaker 3: Right, So she called yesterday, right, and we were wondering,

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Speaker 3: is it like an Airbnb kind of situation like or

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01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 3: but apparently was you You could live there.

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Speaker 8: And it's part of the and it's part of the

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Speaker 8: dark tourism.

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Speaker 6: They people drive by and take photos and mark their

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Speaker 6: things and they write healthter skelter like you know, on

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Speaker 6: their forehead.

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Speaker 2: Again nuts, nuts, Wow, I would assume it's haunted.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you want to leave us a talk back

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Speaker 3: and get on Talkback Roulette, give us a call it

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Speaker 3: eighty to eight thirty one crime. This is true crime tonight.

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Speaker 3: We are right in the middle of our favorite thing,

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Speaker 3: talk bout Acrolett where the control room guys Sam and

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Speaker 3: Adam just shoot us some talkbacks. We have not heard

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Speaker 3: these before, so we don't know the questions that are coming,

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Speaker 3: but we love to get them. So what do we

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Speaker 3: have next?

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Speaker 15: Hey, ladies, Stephanie from Ohio just wanted to make a

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Speaker 15: good comment on the surrogacy case in California. Oh, it's

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Speaker 15: definitely giving the factory vibes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the John Cusack movie.

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Speaker 15: And it also makes me wonder if they're trying to

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Speaker 15: superpopulate the earth like the man who has a thousand

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Speaker 15: Kids documentary on now. But it also makes me wonder

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Speaker 15: what is the nefarious reason for them wanting to have

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Speaker 15: all of these kids? Are they wanting to defraud the

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Speaker 15: government or get into human trafficking?

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Speaker 3: What do you guys think? Yeah, that was my first thought, Stephanie,

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Speaker 3: thank you for the talk back again, Like that was

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Speaker 3: my first thought, Like are they raising these children to

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Speaker 3: be trafficked? Because like this is expensive, It's like fifty

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Speaker 3: grand a kid and they've got twenty one of them

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Speaker 3: all eaches one through three, Like, what the hell? What

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Speaker 3: are they raising these kids for? There's something nefarious here.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but my spiders senses

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Speaker 3: are are going crazy.

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Speaker 2: What could they not be? Pretty one, it's a yes,

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Speaker 2: but all of those options. By the way, Stephanie could

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Speaker 2: be accurate. Those are all pretty good categories, right, Is

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Speaker 2: it for trafficking of some kind? Are they going to

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Speaker 2: financially benefit God knows? It must be excuse me, a

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Speaker 2: really huge amount of money to have that many sarrogates

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Speaker 2: at one time, so clearly they are not looking for

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01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: more money.

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Speaker 3: They must have quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: We also know that there's a very large age difference

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Speaker 2: between them, not that that matters, but you know, it's

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Speaker 2: thirty plus years if I'm not mistaken, or are they

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 2: just trying.

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Speaker 3: To populate excessively? What is that about? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I would we would love to hear it. I want

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Speaker 3: to follow up on this. I want to keep following

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01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 3: this one, you know, to hustle. I want to I

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01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 3: want this story to kind of be on a radar

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01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 3: because something's going on with that.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to hope that it's just about love, that

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01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 6: they have the ability to have their own groups. I mean, it's,

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Speaker 6: you know, staying on the musical theme. It's the Annie

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Speaker 6: of it all, and they're just adopting the whole orphan.

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Speaker 3: But they're not.

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Speaker 2: They're getting surrogates. They're like employing the surrogates. So they're

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Speaker 2: not adopting them, They're like going out of their way

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Speaker 2: to have more children, not take children.

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Speaker 8: Well, but they're.

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Speaker 6: Still having children that are genetically their own. I'm just

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Speaker 6: saying that they have the ability to raise a bunch

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Speaker 6: of them all at once. I just want to stay hopeful.

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Speaker 3: I like that about you. I'm very like bitter and

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:26,720
Speaker 3: like h they're evil and well, yeah, who knows. I

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Speaker 3: like it. I'm going to air with doron so yeah,

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Speaker 3: next talkback.

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Speaker 4: Hi, ladies, is Nainsley calling from Canada. I'm listening to

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Speaker 4: your Sunday episode on Sunday morning or sorry, Monday morning.

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Speaker 4: So sorry that this question isn't just timely, but with

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Speaker 4: regards to the suspective suicide of Marilyn Monroe, I noticed that.

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Speaker 10: There's quite a few suspectives suicide.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just wondering if you know, if there's any

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Speaker 4: history or evidence.

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Speaker 10: That when there's a suspective suicide, does it ever to

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Speaker 10: like later at all, through maybe government documents or further testing,

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Speaker 10: that the suicides are then.

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Speaker 8: Ruled a murder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. It's a good question. It has happened

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Speaker 3: in modern history where they're able to like exuom a

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Speaker 3: body and like retest something and whatnot. But apparently in

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Speaker 3: Marilynroe's case, this is not an option. Right. We learned

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Speaker 3: from Joseph Scott Morgan that these pill casings were in

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Speaker 3: her colon, and you know that it was probably this

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Speaker 3: overdose that she had might have been done rectily. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: we don't know.

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Speaker 8: Again, I'm a conspiracy theorist when it comes to this one.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but yeah, yes, jumping in

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 2: with Court's absence has been Deran and Dorna. It's always

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Speaker 2: I love having you here. And you know, he's one

1595
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 2: of the best brains in the prolific. You're underestimating them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like I was. I went to as

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Speaker 2: IMDb and I was like, oh my god, he's He's

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Speaker 2: done like every very successful reality show in like tele

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Speaker 2: is in history.

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Speaker 8: Like my favorite thing to talk about is myself obviously, So.

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Speaker 6: You know, if anyone's if anyone's really interested, I do.

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Speaker 6: I've done a series for The Daily Mail and it's

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Speaker 6: available on YouTube and my second episode of From Cast

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Speaker 6: to Screen Drop, oh, so you could find it on

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 6: that and it actually goes into this history and it

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Speaker 6: actually has a whole bunch of club footage from the

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Speaker 6: late nineties two thousands in Miami and how that shaped

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Speaker 6: my eye on discovering potential talent for unscripted tellivience.

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Speaker 2: It was the best South beach at that time. You know,

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Speaker 2: Miami will always have my heart. What is such an

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01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: iconic time. I was such a fish out of water

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Speaker 2: stepping into this incredible place and like, they're really here.

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Speaker 3: I look back now.

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01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 6: It was like.

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Speaker 2: Literally in my yellow canary sweater set. But man, I

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Speaker 2: got cool. Listen, you did not get cool? Okay, listen,

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01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: do not let the waited best fool you.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, there's easier days ahead, and thank you Doron.

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Speaker 3: I was always cool. So are you well back at you?

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Speaker 2: Listen, We're going to be here tomorrow night to make

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Speaker 2: sure you tune in because we have a big show tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We have amazing guests. We will be teasing those.

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Speaker 2: But also remember we're not here on Friday Saturday, but

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Speaker 2: we're back Sunday through Thursday, so live each night.

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Speaker 3: We want to hear from you. And you got to

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Speaker 3: get to voting.

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Speaker 2: So eight at eight three one crime, make sure you

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Speaker 2: leave us your vote for the Big Club. And I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to We're going to reign someone superior here

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Speaker 2: at True Crime tonight. So thank you for the wonderful evening.

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Speaker 2: We will be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 8: Bye bye bye