WEBVTT - Peggy Lee: Death of Cool

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<v Speaker 1>And when it was all over, I said to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>That all there is.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen seventy, Peggy Lee won a Grammy for Is

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<v Speaker 3>That All There Is? A song many heard as an

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<v Speaker 3>anthem of on we, but not Peggy.

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<v Speaker 1>She saw it as absolutely life affirming and hopeful that

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<v Speaker 1>bad things are going to happen and that you can

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<v Speaker 1>rise above them.

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<v Speaker 4>Greg got the boom, stand back.

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<v Speaker 1>And have a ball, celebrate life in spite of all

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<v Speaker 1>of this that's happening.

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<v Speaker 3>And Peggy Lee had a lot to celebrate. At fifty,

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<v Speaker 3>she was already a legend, an artist of astonishing versatility,

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<v Speaker 3>a heartbreaker, anoles spring, a trailblazer, and a master of cool.

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<v Speaker 5>When you put your arms around me, I get a fever.

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<v Speaker 5>That's a hard began a fever.

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<v Speaker 3>Musically, how many different Peggy Lees over there? God dozens?

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<v Speaker 4>Watch that bringency?

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<v Speaker 2>How it's blooded.

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<v Speaker 6>When there's platin sugar, there's blues things I swinging, there's jazz,

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<v Speaker 6>there's pop.

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<v Speaker 3>Creatively, she seemed utterly unafraid.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, you want me to do the folks who live

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<v Speaker 7>on the hill, so you'll weep. I can do that.

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<v Speaker 7>You want me to do black coffee, so you think

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<v Speaker 7>it's like, oh, I'm hanging out with junkies at a

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<v Speaker 7>kitchen table.

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<v Speaker 1>I can do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Personally, she was more conflicted.

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<v Speaker 4>I never wanted to be a star.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I wanted to sing around the house and the

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<v Speaker 8>paint and write and raised babies and those kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>She would say that all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that was what she wanted?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was on some level what she wanted, But.

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<v Speaker 3>That compulsion to create, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't tamp it down.

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<v Speaker 9>There was nobody like her.

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<v Speaker 7>Andre Previn, who was a jazz pianist and played with

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<v Speaker 7>all of them, he told me that he thought she

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<v Speaker 7>was the best of them all.

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<v Speaker 3>Does she get the respect she deserves today?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 7>And when Sir Andre Previn says to me, she's better

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<v Speaker 7>than Ella, because Ella could only do certain things at

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<v Speaker 7>which she was the best, but Peggy could do everything.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the curse From CBS Sunday Morning and iHeart

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Morocca and this is Mobituaries This moment Peggy Lee,

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<v Speaker 3>January twenty first, twenty oh two. The death of cool

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<v Speaker 3>I came to Peggy Lee relatively late in life. You

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<v Speaker 3>know how kids are drawn to big, bold colors, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>growing up, I was drawn to big, bold voices like

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<v Speaker 3>bat Banatar, running with the Side, or Broadways, Lori beach

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<v Speaker 3>Me belting it out in Annie and Why, and of

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<v Speaker 3>course Barbara always Barbara.

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<v Speaker 2>Last Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>But Peggy Lee she was more my father's generation of music.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't she that woman who sang about the doggie in

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<v Speaker 3>the window?

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<v Speaker 4>How much is that dog in the window?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry? That was Patty Page? And no disrespect to Patty Page.

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<v Speaker 3>Her Tennessee Waltz undos me every time. The first time

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<v Speaker 3>I really paid any attention to Peggy Lee was well, naturally,

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety seven, when comedian Ellen DeGeneres came out

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<v Speaker 3>to ABC's Diane Sawyer and forty million other people in

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<v Speaker 3>a nationally televised interview.

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<v Speaker 9>Did you have sexual relations with men?

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<v Speaker 1>I slept with.

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<v Speaker 3>Two men.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't like it. Didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 4>That Peggy Lee song Is that all there is?

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<v Speaker 8>That was going over and over my head the first time.

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<v Speaker 4>Just kept singing, is that all there is? My dear?

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<v Speaker 11>Then let's keep dancing, that's what's going I thought, Am

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<v Speaker 11>I crazy?

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<v Speaker 8>Because I shouldn't be hearing Peggy Lee right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, when I profiled Ellen in twenty eleven for

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<v Speaker 3>CBS Sunday Morning. I had to ask about that. I've

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<v Speaker 3>always wanted to know after the interview, when you came out,

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<v Speaker 3>did Peggy Lee get in contact with you?

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<v Speaker 5>No, No, she didn't.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a good question, though, But I bet I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>the only person who had sex and for the first

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<v Speaker 7>time and had that Peggy Lee song.

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<v Speaker 9>Is that all there is in their head? She did?

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<v Speaker 9>Is that all there is?

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<v Speaker 3>And you give me fever?

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<v Speaker 9>So something must have changed. She must have switched partners, right,

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<v Speaker 9>It's probably true.

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<v Speaker 3>Good. It was then that I started to give Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>Lee a real listen, and I came to appreciate the

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<v Speaker 3>shades of gray in her voice. She could swing with

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<v Speaker 3>the best of them, but she was more likely to

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<v Speaker 3>hold back, like she was keeping a secret. Johnnia, who

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<v Speaker 3>was this woman? Where did she come from? And that wind,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a rumbling.

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<v Speaker 9>It's powerful, feels like I could blow this house down.

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<v Speaker 3>I met Peggy Lee's granddaughter, Holly Foster Wells, on the

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<v Speaker 3>second floor of an old train depot in the tiny

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<v Speaker 3>town of Wimbledon, North Dakota. There's no other way to

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<v Speaker 3>put it. This place is in the middle of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Thirty miles from the big city of Jamestown, North Dakota,

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<v Speaker 3>where Peggy was born in nineteen twenty. Today, this train

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<v Speaker 3>depot is the Peggy Lee Museum. It's also where Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>lived when she was a teenager or standing in her bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I came here, and I walked upstairs

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<v Speaker 1>and I stood in front of this window, I burst

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<v Speaker 1>into tears.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, Holly really looks like her grandmother, blonde hair, saying,

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<v Speaker 3>big bright eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Even today when we've been talking here, it's like I

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<v Speaker 1>feel I feel her here.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy was still Norma Dolores Eggstrom when she lived here.

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<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't have been Peggy Lee without Norma. She wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been Peggy Lee without this heartache.

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<v Speaker 3>And the heartache started early.

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<v Speaker 9>Her mother passed away when she was four.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a traumatic event that I think that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the beginning of her search, her search for healing.

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<v Speaker 3>Norma adored her father, who was the town's railroad depot manager,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was an alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 9>She helped run the depot when her dad wasn't in

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<v Speaker 9>a good place.

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<v Speaker 3>Even worse, the woman her father remarried was abusive. Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>later claimed her stepmother once beat her over the head

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<v Speaker 3>with a cast iron skillet.

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<v Speaker 8>So I went through all that and I learned a

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<v Speaker 8>great deal from that.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Peggy talking to CBS much later in nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 10>I learned how I run real that few other things

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<v Speaker 10>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>She said she would look out at the railroad tracks

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<v Speaker 1>and just imagine where they led. And she said, one day,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna leave this place as soon as I know

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<v Speaker 1>where those train tracks lead. And it was a it

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<v Speaker 1>was a way out. And of course her other way

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<v Speaker 1>out was music.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, radio was still a relatively new technology around the

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<v Speaker 3>time Norma entered high school in the early nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 3>Tuning the dials of her Atwater Kent five tube radio receiver,

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<v Speaker 3>she fell in love with the voices of Maxine Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh you take the high road, Now take the low road,

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<v Speaker 5>alb and scottlanderfio.

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<v Speaker 3>A young Louis Armstrong.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so happy, asking me when this wing that music from?

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<v Speaker 3>And Billie Holiday. Yes, this white girl from the tundra,

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<v Speaker 3>who had only ever sung hymns at her Lutheran church

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<v Speaker 3>is listening mostly to black artists. But that's the music

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<v Speaker 3>that spoke to her. At seventeen, Norma was invited to

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<v Speaker 3>audition for the biggest radio station in North Dakota. This

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<v Speaker 3>is Wday Fargo, W Day Fargo. That's when program director

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<v Speaker 3>Ken Kennedy made a fateful decision. As she later recalled

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<v Speaker 3>in a nineteen seventy five interview, the.

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<v Speaker 9>Name Norma Egstrom didn't sound right.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, let's see, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look like a you look like a Peggy Maggy?

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<v Speaker 9>What Beggy?

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<v Speaker 4>What you need?

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<v Speaker 10>Tried a few names and came up with Lee and

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<v Speaker 10>it was That was really how it started.

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<v Speaker 3>She had the Peggy Lee name. The Peggy Lee sound

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<v Speaker 3>came two years later, after she made her way to California.

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<v Speaker 3>Still unknown, she was singing at the Dollhouse Restaurant in

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<v Speaker 3>Palm Springs before a raucous crowd celebrating comedian Jack Benny's birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Biographer Peter Richmond, author of Fever, The Life and Music

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<v Speaker 3>of Miss Peggy Lee, describes the scene.

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<v Speaker 7>People are just laughing, and so she's getting pissed off.

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<v Speaker 7>And she's only like nineteen, and she's singing in a

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<v Speaker 7>good club in front of celebrities.

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<v Speaker 3>She's pissed. And that's when Peggy decided if she couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>sing over them, she'd sing under them.

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<v Speaker 7>So she starts singing softer and softer, until people start

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<v Speaker 7>getting quiet because they can't hear her singing. And now

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<v Speaker 7>they're listening, and now they're captured. That's when she understood

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<v Speaker 7>volume wasn't going to be the thing. Nuance was going

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<v Speaker 7>to be the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Moms like this make me through, though, And.

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<v Speaker 3>Though now there's no recording from that evening, but here

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<v Speaker 3>she is decades later, casting a similar spell over the

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<v Speaker 3>crowd at Manhattan's Basin Street East Club.

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<v Speaker 7>She knew that the more she could get the room silent,

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<v Speaker 7>the more she's got them.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she said, the challenges to leave out all but

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<v Speaker 1>the essentials.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy would cultivate a style that was as minimalist as

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<v Speaker 3>the landscape she'd grown up in, cool but never cold.

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<v Speaker 3>While singing in Chicago in nineteen forty one, Peggy was

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<v Speaker 3>discovered by the king of swing, Benny Goodman, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the era's biggest bandleaders. Now, Goodman didn't much respect his

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<v Speaker 3>so called girl singers, and Peggy was intimidated by the

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<v Speaker 3>famously perfectionist Goodman. But when he noticed the twenty one

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<v Speaker 3>year old Peggy carrying around a prized possession a record

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<v Speaker 3>of blues singer Lil Green's why Don't You Do Right?

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<v Speaker 3>He was intrigued you.

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<v Speaker 2>Had many money. In nineteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Goodman decided to let Peggy record her own version, and

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<v Speaker 3>it became her first hit.

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<v Speaker 4>Lea the Wama make a who Love You? Why don't

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<v Speaker 4>You Do Right?

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<v Speaker 7>She doesn't even have to worry about finding the rhythm

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<v Speaker 7>from the drummer or the bass player or Benny.

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<v Speaker 3>They're following her rhythm.

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<v Speaker 5>Get out of here and get me.

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<v Speaker 4>The money too.

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<v Speaker 3>It was while touring with Benny Goodman that Peggy, often

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<v Speaker 3>the only woman on the bus, met guitarist Dave Barber

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<v Speaker 3>and the two struck up a romance that didn't go

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<v Speaker 3>over well with Goodman, though, and Barbara was fired from

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<v Speaker 3>the band for quote unquote fraternizing with the girl singer.

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<v Speaker 3>But Peggy liked Dave, I mean, she really liked him,

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<v Speaker 3>and so she quit. She married Dave Barber and gave

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<v Speaker 3>birth to their daughter, Nikki later that year.

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<v Speaker 1>They had such chemistry together that was the love of

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<v Speaker 1>her life.

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<v Speaker 3>There's this duet they wrote and recorded together called I

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<v Speaker 3>Don't Know Enough About You. They filmed the performance sort

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<v Speaker 3>of an early music video.

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<v Speaker 4>I know a little bit about a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Of things, but I don't know enough about.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy is playing a teacher, sitting at a desk, fiddling

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<v Speaker 3>with a pair of glasses. She looks so healthy, happy

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<v Speaker 3>and gorgeous. Dave Barber sits off to the side, strumming

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<v Speaker 3>his guitar. These are two people so at ease with

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<v Speaker 3>each other that the picture of contentment.

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<v Speaker 5>You get me in a fish Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>A new arman.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but Dave, like Peggy's father, had a

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<v Speaker 3>drinking problem, and as Peggy's star rose, Dave's drinking only

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<v Speaker 3>got worse and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Broke her heart. But just as she always has done,

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<v Speaker 1>it fueled her music.

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<v Speaker 5>Gazza, don't enough of that.

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<v Speaker 3>After eight years of marriage, Dave Barber and Peggy Lee

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<v Speaker 3>filed for divorce. Coming up personally, Peggy takes on the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties as a single mother. Artistically, she ends up

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<v Speaker 3>owning the decade.

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<v Speaker 7>Person two Persons with Charles Collingwood.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty, cameras from the CBS TV interview series

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<v Speaker 3>Person to Person visited Peggy Lee at her sprawling Beverly

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<v Speaker 3>Hills mansion, also known as the Peach Palace.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, now you've achieved quite a few goals up and

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<v Speaker 12>now what was your main goal as a youngster in Jamestown,

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<v Speaker 12>North Dakota.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Charles, I had two goals really.

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<v Speaker 10>One was to be a successful singer, and the other

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<v Speaker 10>was to have a family. And I've been very happy

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<v Speaker 10>about having some success, and I have a wonderful daughter.

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<v Speaker 10>And of course as I have gone along, I picked

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<v Speaker 10>up a few more goals. I think it's good to

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<v Speaker 10>have a goal, don't you, Charles.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is now. When Peggy says she'd had

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<v Speaker 3>some success, that's an understatement. In just the previous decade,

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<v Speaker 3>she had achieved more than most artists could hope to

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<v Speaker 3>in a lifetime. In this act, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about what made Peggy Lee one of the most important

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<v Speaker 3>musical artists of the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a good day far sanging a song, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's a good.

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<v Speaker 3>Day for one thing. She was a prolific singer songwriter,

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<v Speaker 3>a rarity for women back then. She co wrote It's

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<v Speaker 3>a Good Day with Dave Barber. Peggy was always writing

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<v Speaker 3>back in North Dakota. She wrote poetry and ultimately she

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<v Speaker 3>had credits on more than two hundred and fifty songs,

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<v Speaker 3>sad songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Was then and no no.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Songs.

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<v Speaker 4>I Dance by Fred Astaire and Brando's Eyes.

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<v Speaker 5>You're Runner's Hair, but I think to tell you is

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<v Speaker 5>only there that I love it with you?

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<v Speaker 3>And a certain Disney classic, What a Dog.

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<v Speaker 9>As a kid?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it really cool for you that your grandmother was

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<v Speaker 3>part of Lady in the Tramp.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's how my friend knew of her.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Peggy's granddaughter, Holly foster Wells. Again, Peggy co wrote

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<v Speaker 3>the score to Lady in the Tramp. But that's not

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<v Speaker 3>all she did on the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>She's the voice of the Siamese Cats. She's Darling the Mother,

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<v Speaker 1>She's Peg in the Dog Pound.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I love him, Yes, he love have got it pretty bad.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandmother had a film projector in her house and

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<v Speaker 1>she would take out that film every year and we

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<v Speaker 1>would watch it in the living room sidebar.

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<v Speaker 3>That same year, nineteen fifty five, Peggy scored an OSCAR

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<v Speaker 3>nomination playing an alcoholic saloon singer in the film Pete

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly's Blues. This is a sidebar because well, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>have time to get into all the things that Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>did in the nineteen fifties, blame her for being so

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<v Speaker 3>productive now. In addition to all the songs Peggy wrote,

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<v Speaker 3>they are the ones she all but rewrote. Peggy covered

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of popular songs, often breathing new life into them.

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<v Speaker 3>She took the song Heart from the Broadway show Damn Yankees.

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<v Speaker 2>You Gotta Have.

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<v Speaker 3>All, and gave it a Latin beat, You Gotta. She

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<v Speaker 3>took the song lover a Waltz from the Rogers and

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<v Speaker 3>Heart musical Love Me Tonight, Speak My Name, and well

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<v Speaker 3>listen to what she did to that. She takes that

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<v Speaker 3>and turns it into something kind of wild.

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<v Speaker 7>Her final notes have been likened to an orgasm.

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<v Speaker 3>And in nineteen fifty eight, she took the song Fever,

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<v Speaker 3>originally recorded by R and B singer Little Willie John.

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<v Speaker 8>You never know how much love, never know how much

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<v Speaker 8>I care.

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<v Speaker 3>And gave it a new, stripped down arrangement, just bass

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<v Speaker 3>drums and finger snaps.

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<v Speaker 4>Never know how much I love you.

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<v Speaker 7>She's keeping so much in If this is the only

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<v Speaker 7>thing to signal what you're singing about, that's powerful.

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<v Speaker 5>When you put your arms around me, I gave a fever.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a hard thing you give.

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<v Speaker 3>Me It became the biggest hit of her career. That

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<v Speaker 3>sequence in the middle that sounds almost like beat poetry.

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<v Speaker 4>Roam me O loved Julia.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy wrote that.

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<v Speaker 5>When he rounder, he said, Julivy, you my fame.

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<v Speaker 4>Now give us fever.

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<v Speaker 3>Also listen to the way she delivers those lines. Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>had been blurring the line between talking and singing as

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<v Speaker 3>far back as her Benny Goodman days. Here she is

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<v Speaker 3>on Coal Porters, Let's do It back in nineteen forty one.

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<v Speaker 5>Up Leland, little lapts, do it well, Let's do it,

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<v Speaker 5>Let's fall in.

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<v Speaker 3>The way she just tosses off the words let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy came up with that. Now. Fever may have been

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy's biggest commercial success, but her artistic apex came with

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<v Speaker 3>the release of the album Black Coffee.

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<v Speaker 7>You can really feel her coming into the kitchen after

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<v Speaker 7>a long night and just looking at the coffee and saying, Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>it was worth it last night, but I gotta have

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<v Speaker 7>that now.

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<v Speaker 3>Here She is on the album's title track.

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<v Speaker 4>Black Coffee Loves a hand Mawnbreu.

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<v Speaker 3>Black Coffee was one of the very first concept albums

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<v Speaker 3>ever recorded. It's about a woman's lonesome experience being in

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<v Speaker 3>love with a man she can't trust. The Milestone record

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<v Speaker 3>is now considered one of the best vocal albums in

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<v Speaker 3>jazz history.

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<v Speaker 7>She becomes Cool in that album.

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<v Speaker 3>Black Coffee also cemented Lee's status as the high priestess

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<v Speaker 3>of pop jazz, acclaimed by critics and the masses alike.

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<v Speaker 3>Could Peggy Lee have only happened at the time that

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<v Speaker 3>she did.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Biographer Peter Richmond says Peggy was peaking just as black

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<v Speaker 3>and white musical traditions were intermingling in the mainstream.

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<v Speaker 7>Peggy was able to incorporate so many different rhythms and emotions.

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<v Speaker 7>And she was, and I really think I can say this,

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<v Speaker 7>she was unique. There was nobody like her.

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<v Speaker 3>Later in her career, Peggy told one writer quote, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not really a white singer. I sing black. I always have.

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<v Speaker 9>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>When Peggy made that comment in nineteen seventy four, it

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<v Speaker 3>had to have rankled many, just as it certainly would today.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a terrific essay about Peggy Lee written by culture

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<v Speaker 3>critic Gerald Early. He's a professor of English and African

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<v Speaker 3>American studies at Washington University in Saint Louis. Early writes

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<v Speaker 3>about the profoundly uneasy history of white performers emulating a

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<v Speaker 3>black sound, from Louis Prima to Elvis to eminem. Peggy,

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<v Speaker 3>he points out, didn't just emulate black singers. She literally

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<v Speaker 3>and famously would imitate Billie Holliday.

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<v Speaker 4>I love you first time. I love to them. You

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<v Speaker 4>got a certain and acute way of friendly.

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<v Speaker 8>So what was that about? Was she a big fan

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<v Speaker 8>of Billie Holidays. She was a huge fan of Billy Holidays.

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<v Speaker 8>She absolutely loved her music. And I heard that Billie Holiday. Well,

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<v Speaker 8>wasn't so crazy about my grandmother because I heard that

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<v Speaker 8>she felt like, not just my grandmother, but other people

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<v Speaker 8>too copied her. But as my grandmother's voice matured in

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<v Speaker 8>her career developed, you don't hear anybody but Peggy Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>Gerald early in that essay seems to agree that Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>was an original. He writes that she invented the hip

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<v Speaker 3>white female vocalist. He describes Peggy's imitation of Billy Holliday

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<v Speaker 3>as more than quote some sort of lame white girl

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<v Speaker 3>imitation of the great black jazz singer. It was an

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<v Speaker 3>expression of how accomplished Lee was as a jazz singer

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<v Speaker 3>and how much she respected holiday end quote. Peggy Lee

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<v Speaker 3>had deep bonds with black artists throughout her career. She

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<v Speaker 3>was an early champion and friend of Ray Charles. When

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<v Speaker 3>one of her childhood idols, Louis Armstrong, died in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>seventy one, it was Peggy Lee who was invited to

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<v Speaker 3>sing the Lord's Prayer at his funeral, for.

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<v Speaker 2>That is the King and the Poe and the Blood.

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<v Speaker 3>And when CBS aired a star studded tribute to Duke

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<v Speaker 3>Ellington produced by Quincy Jones, Peggy Lee was the only

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<v Speaker 3>white solo artist featured, alongside Sarah Vaughan, ROBERTA. Flack, and

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<v Speaker 3>Aretha Franklin. If I'm the Duke Ellington once said, Peggy

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<v Speaker 3>Lee is Queen. Peggy had earned that title in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties. She was no longer just a big band

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<v Speaker 3>singer Benny Goodman's Canary. Critically and commercially, she was an

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<v Speaker 3>artist of the highest order, on a par with Frank Sinatra.

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<v Speaker 3>But for all the hit songs she'd recorded, the one

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<v Speaker 3>that was closest to her heart wasn't one she'd written

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<v Speaker 3>or radically reimagined.

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<v Speaker 5>Someday We'll build a home on a hill top.

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<v Speaker 11>You and I.

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<v Speaker 9>Shine so the folks who live on the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>That's her very favorite song, and I think it just

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<v Speaker 1>paints this picture of an idyllic relationship and growing old

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<v Speaker 1>together and always having that soulmate by her side.

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<v Speaker 3>Peggy recorded it in nineteen fifty seven. The song was

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<v Speaker 3>written by Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein twenty years earlier

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<v Speaker 3>as a romantic reverie.

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<v Speaker 4>We will Whiz because.

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<v Speaker 3>But Peggy's version is different. She's singing about something that

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<v Speaker 3>was never to be on that trumpet.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just so plaintive, the mournfulness of wishing a house

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<v Speaker 7>on the hill that will never be yours and really

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what she really wanted. So she hoped to

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<v Speaker 1>have with my grandfather. And she married three more times

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<v Speaker 1>after that, But it was not those were she called

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:45.920
<v Speaker 1>those costume parties. Actually, well, I think she didn't think

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>they were real. They weren't real love affairs. She certainly

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<v Speaker 1>fell in love with many people throughout the years. I

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<v Speaker 1>just think maybe it was too much for these men

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<v Speaker 1>to be mister Peggy Lee. And and I don't know

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>that any man could have really given her the love

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that she wanted. The closest she got to getting that love,

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I think was from the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other side of the break. Miss Peggy Lee

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<v Speaker 3>the icon.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I can scoop up a great, big difference full

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<v Speaker 11>of lag from the dripping skin and look in the skill,

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<v Speaker 11>go out and do my shopping and be back to forth.

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<v Speaker 3>By the nineteen seventies, Peggy Lee had become Miss Peggy Lee,

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 3>a bona fide icon, even inspired the Muppets character Miss Piggy,

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.680
<v Speaker 3>originally named Miss Piggy Lee, the.

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<v Speaker 11>Baby greased the car and pot of my face all

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<v Speaker 11>at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>She thought that was pretty fantastic. I mean that pig

0:29:14.360 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 1>is glamorous.

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<v Speaker 3>Miss Peggy is the is the paragon of glamour.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, and she's a diva. And my grandma was a diva.

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 3>So growing up in that era, Holly Foster Wells spent

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<v Speaker 3>summers touring with her grandmother, beginning when she was just six,

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 3>and frankly, I'm kind of jealous.

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 9>So you would go on the road with her, Yeah,

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.880
<v Speaker 9>tell me about that. She would take me all over

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 9>the world.

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I would dress up in her gowns and we would

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>have breakfast in bed. We'd watch soap operas, and then

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 1>it would be time to get ready for the show.

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Then we had to get serious because that was a

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>process of becoming miss Peggy Lee.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was. It was like a four hour process.

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 9>And she starts first with a bubble bath, and then

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 9>the makeup, and then the hair and the gowns.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a great story about a fan meeting her grandmother

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.480
<v Speaker 3>in an elevator on the day of one of her shows.

0:30:11.760 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 1>She had a scarf and she had curlers and sunglasses

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:18.239
<v Speaker 1>and someone looked at her and said, are you Peggy Lee?

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:20.560
<v Speaker 9>And she said not yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, we've talked plenty about Peggy as a recording artist,

0:30:24.840 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 3>but we haven't really touched on her as a live performer.

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<v Speaker 9>I would just be in awe of what she could do.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>And I would see grown men crying, and I would

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>see couples holding hands and people. You could hear a

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 1>pin drop and this was really mesmerizing.

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<v Speaker 2>See sid.

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<v Speaker 3>See what there's a tape of her singing CC Rider.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's a hypnotic.

0:30:57.400 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 9>I know exactly what performance that is.

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>And she early moves like she just moves a little

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>shoulder and just her face and it's so sexy.

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>That performance was at Bason Street East. We mentioned it earlier,

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 3>a legendary Manhattan nightclub that no longer exists. Now, I

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:20.760
<v Speaker 3>can tell you that if I could get in a

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 3>time machine and go back and near her live, I

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:28.040
<v Speaker 3>would choose to go back to Basin Street East, the

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 3>club in New York City where she really triumphed.

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, absolutely, And if I could go back into time machine,

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>that's when I would go back.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.000
<v Speaker 3>Because you're my plus one or I'm your plus one exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have a time machine. But luckily Peggy recorded

0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 3>everything on real to reel tapes from sessions with her musicians.

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 4>Because one thing isn't very.

0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 3>Clear, to sessions with her psychic how many.

0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Times have you been married?

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 8>Well, married once and sort of married three times, so.

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 3>It's four, right and lucky us. Holly has agreed to

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 3>play some of those recordings, including a behind the scenes

0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.320
<v Speaker 3>moment with Peggy and one of her favorite artists.

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, my grandmother loved the music of Ray Charles. He

0:32:21.600 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 1>pitched to her a song he'd written called tell all

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the World about You.

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>You're so fun and you're so sweet.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 5>How's going on?

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 2>You're so sweet, You're so fun?

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 5>Oh my goodness, I can't even remember my own thing

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 5>I gotta do.

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:44.320
<v Speaker 1>And then she actually went in and recorded it. She

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>put her own spin on it.

0:32:46.680 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 5>You're so fun and you're so sweet, you can love Anuskin.

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 4>Talk about.

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 3>Peggy's home recordings also capture her goofing around with family.

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>So my grandmother was rehearsing at home, and my dad

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 1>and my mom and my brother were watching her rehearsal,

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and then in the middle of it, she just decides

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>to bring out balloons and start sucking helium.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 12>Ya lasa One'm from a lasa, Run for maball, run

0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 12>for a little living and lung.

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's Peggy Lee singing on helium.

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 12>Ba bay every well, Yes, yeah, yese hey begs.

0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 3>By the early nineteen eighties, Peggy was thinking seriously about legacy.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen eighty one, the great Lena Horn had had

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 3>a smash hit with her own one woman Broadway show.

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Now it was Peggy's turn, as the sixty three year

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 3>old discussed with NBC's Gene Shallett in nineteen eighty three, Peggy.

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 10>You've got a new show coming on Broadway called Peg, Right,

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 10>so I want to know about that. Well, it's called

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 10>Peg because it's about my life, and.

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I wrote it, and.

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:24.319
<v Speaker 10>I started writing this for someone else to play. I mean,

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 10>there was going to be a show about you, but

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:28.000
<v Speaker 10>someone else would play your life?

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that chance? I mean, who else was going to

0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 3>play Peggy Peg was a musical, of course, with original songs,

0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 3>mostly co written by Peggy. It opened on December fourteenth,

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.320
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighty three. It closed three days later.

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 1>It was one of I would say, her greatest failures

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>actually in her career. She was really, really just devastated.

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 1>It felt like a rejection of her life.

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Because the show was autobiographical, it was a better life.

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>But and quite frankly, some people felt it was too depressing.

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 3>There was one song about Peggy's stepmother beating her. It

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:09.479
<v Speaker 3>was an up tempo song.

0:35:09.840 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 5>For eleven years, there was at least one beating a day,

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 5>one leading a they.

0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 2>For eleven years.

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:27.799
<v Speaker 4>There was at least one beating a day, so.

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Many do you remember how the audience in the Broadway

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 3>theater reacted to that?

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>That was an awkward moment in the show because people

0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 1>didn't know if they should laugh or cry. It was confusing.

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:43.960
<v Speaker 3>In The New York Times, Frank Rich wrote, for those

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 3>who respect Peggy Lee as a vocalist, but who don't

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>worship her as a public personality. Peg may seem bizarre,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 3>and that was one of the nicer things written about it.

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 3>And I can imagine that the reaction to that probably

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>really shook her and made her think, have I just

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 3>lost my touch?

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I remember her being defensive, like, this is my life,

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Like wait, I'm so sorry if this is sad for

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you or hard for you, but this is my life,

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm just telling you what I went through. And

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.359
<v Speaker 1>if it's hard for you to hear about, think about

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>how it was to live it.

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 3>And away from Broadway, Peggy Lee's live performances weren't hitting

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 3>like they used.

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>To, so she aged, but these songs didn't age with her,

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:30.880
<v Speaker 1>so she sometimes would approach them in a campy way.

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know that that how that resonated with audiences,

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>if they liked it or not.

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 3>With her oversized sunglasses and outlandish wigs and kaftans, Peggy

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 3>was becoming a punchline.

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I would be backstage with her and during intermission she

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 1>would want me to give her honest feedback about what

0:36:52.080 --> 0:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>people were thinking in the audience, and she'd go on stage.

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I'd run out watch the show, and I'd even go

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 1>and listen in the ladies room what people were saying.

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 1>And there came a time when I didn't want to

0:37:05.760 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 1>tell her those comments anymore because people were really critical, like, oh,

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>she sounds good, but she doesn't have the voice that

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>she used to have, or while she's gained weight, or wow,

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>or you know, people are really they come in with

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:19.800
<v Speaker 1>their own expectations.

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 3>There were things that were hard for you to hear

0:37:21.880 --> 0:37:24.240
<v Speaker 3>and write, and hard to report back.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Right and things. So I didn't want to tell her,

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was hard.

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 3>By this point, Peggy's health was failing, in part due

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>to exhaustion.

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>She really never took a vacation. She would write about

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>places like Paris, but she wouldn't go there. She didn't

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>go there and slow down.

0:37:48.520 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 3>After a bad case of pneumonia, she became dependent on

0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 3>an oxygen tank. By the nineteen nineties, she was using

0:37:55.239 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 3>a wheelchair and suffering complications due to her diabetes, and

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 3>spending more and more time at home in bed. And

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:05.439
<v Speaker 3>how long would she be in bed?

0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes she could just be in bed until the next

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:11.919
<v Speaker 1>time she went on the road, which could be months. Yes,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.959
<v Speaker 1>and she's learned to do everything from her bed, from

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>her bedroom, so it was like an office. She would

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>write songs in her bed. There's one I want to

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:28.360
<v Speaker 1>play for you. That's so beautiful, haven to.

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Lonely more too long and too.

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.480
<v Speaker 3>So gorgeous, so much longing.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>That's why we're all drawn to her songs though. It's

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that longing that we all have, and then she just

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:06.000
<v Speaker 1>puts it into words and song for us.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 11>Cut up here.

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:23.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess I wouldn't know read for me because I

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:34.200
<v Speaker 2>haven't long too long.

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Were there times when you'd see her in bed and think, now,

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if she could get up and walk out

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:44.399
<v Speaker 3>of here?

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>She absolutely could, and I know that because well she

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 1>would have dinner parties where she would at least go

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 1>from the bedroom to the dining room. But there was

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:57.280
<v Speaker 1>also a time when I got in a car accident.

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Someone t boned men intersection and really badly destroyed my car.

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 1>I was okay, thank goodness, but I called her and

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>she was there in like ten minutes, with her turbanon

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and her sunglasses, looking very glamorous. But she was there

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in ten minutes.

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.040
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen ninety five, a seventy five year old Peggy

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Lee performed from a wheelchair at the Hollywood Bowl. After

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.440
<v Speaker 3>the show that night, Holly told her grandmother that it

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 3>was time.

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I just said, it just seems like it's getting harder

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.560
<v Speaker 1>for you. She didn't ever want to be thought of

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 1>as a joke. She wanted to go out on a high,

0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and that was the end. That was the last performance.

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Holly says, Peggy remained a romantic until the very end.

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.560
<v Speaker 1>One of the ways I know that is when I

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with my husband and told her, oh, Mama,

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I've met a boy, and she wanted to know everything.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 1>It was like she was reading a romance novel. She

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>just ate it up. She at that point was beyond

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>romance for herself. But she loved watching me have a romance.

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so grateful that she was able to be

0:41:13.760 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 1>at our wedding. We got married in June of nineteen

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety eight, and she had her stroke in October.

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Peggy Lee died of a heart attack on January twenty first,

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 3>twenty oh two, at the age of eighty one. There's

0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:36.800
<v Speaker 3>a PBS documentary on Peggy that was made in nineteen

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.919
<v Speaker 3>sixty nine, the year before she released Is that all There?

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Is Peggy is wry and sophisticated. Here an artist who

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 3>knows what she wants.

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:50.320
<v Speaker 10>I choose a material that lets me tell a story.

0:41:50.400 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a nice way.

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.800
<v Speaker 3>To make a living. I wants talk to a musician

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:55.520
<v Speaker 3>who said, your voice is one of the greatest musical

0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:57.840
<v Speaker 3>instruments ever ever created.

0:41:58.600 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 4>Whoever that was, I love it.

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 3>And yet there's something about the way she's wearing her hair.

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:08.399
<v Speaker 3>Here you can see her artistry, but she's also she's

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.399
<v Speaker 3>wearing her hair and pigtails, so there's something also kind

0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:12.919
<v Speaker 3>of girlish at the same time.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, there's I always said there was a little

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>girl in her.

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 9>Sometimes I would see that childlike.

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Quality, and I think it was she was always looking

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:29.360
<v Speaker 1>for our mom. She was a powerful woman with a

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>powerful career, but there was that little girl there always.

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 3>What do you think she was trying to do with

0:42:36.560 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 3>her voice?

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:41.839
<v Speaker 7>She had to get out of the childhood physically as

0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:42.879
<v Speaker 7>well as metaphorically.

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:44.920
<v Speaker 3>That's biographer Peter Richmond.

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 7>Again, she had to leave behind the thing she was leaving,

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 7>and she's doing it with one tool, the voice and

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 7>the rhythm and the perfect pitch and the talent she

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 7>had in writing lyrics that others couldn't. That was her

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 7>way of feeling a psychic wound.

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:06.279
<v Speaker 1>She said she wanted to leave a legacy, and she

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:06.959
<v Speaker 1>really did.

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 3>One final note today, Holly Foster Wells manages the Peggy

0:43:12.080 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 3>Lee estate, which includes all those songs her grandmother wrote.

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:21.200
<v Speaker 3>Despite offers, Peggy never sold the rights to her written work.

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Just like Dolly Parton, Joni Mitchell, Taylor Swift, great singer

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 3>songwriters who came after her. Peggy Lee understood the value

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 3>of what she had created.

0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:39.440
<v Speaker 4>And it's a good day. Ah, shine in your shoes and.

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a good day.

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