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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Golf Live

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot Com. John Schmock, Pauledatino with

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Speaker 1: you the phone number two oh one four five one

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Speaker 1: three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. Four guests for you today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about NC State Bradley Chubb, the number

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Speaker 1: one guy. There some other prospects as well. Will do

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Speaker 1: you tap where you will Hernandez and University of Texas,

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Speaker 1: San Antonio, where you have Marcus Davenport. And will close

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Speaker 1: the show with Michael Pritchard, former NFL wide receiver from

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons and Colorado alum. And they'll talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about Isaiah Oliver coming out of Colorado. But

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Speaker 1: in the meantime, Paul, were only two weeks away from

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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, and you see smoke coming out of

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Speaker 1: the building, some white, some black, some lies, some truth.

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: different opinions in mock drafts as to who the Giants

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Speaker 1: are going to take. The fact that nobody seems to

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Speaker 1: know what the Giants are doing here trained down quarterback,

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Speaker 1: no quarterback, Arkly Chubb. Whatever nobody knows is a great

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Speaker 1: thing because it really creates uncertainty, which it gives you

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Speaker 1: a lot of freedom when teams start calling up maybe

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Speaker 1: worrying about trades, getting a player they wanted a certain spot.

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Speaker 1: When you maintain that mystery and that type of um unpredictability,

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Speaker 1: it gives you an advantage on draft. Well, let's make

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Speaker 1: something very clear, um, Dave Gettleman is not going to

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Speaker 1: close off any possibility, and that includes trading. We've made

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Speaker 1: I've made that clear for months now that you know.

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Speaker 1: I think the Giant should be very much open to

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Speaker 1: doing that, and I think Dave Gettleman quite honestly is

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Speaker 1: willing to answer the phone. And he has not traded

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Speaker 1: down in his past. Does that That does not mean, folks,

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Speaker 1: that he's not willing to do it now. He's only

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Speaker 1: like he has a ten or fifteen year history of

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Speaker 1: not trading down here. But he made ten moves, ten

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Speaker 1: trades involving draft picks when he was the GM in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: and that shows you that he is absolutely fluid in

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Speaker 1: that he will take phone calls. I really I feel

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Speaker 1: I think I can say that with confidence he will

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Speaker 1: take phone calls all the way up until the Giants pick. Now,

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Speaker 1: None of us know that, But I am confident that

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Speaker 1: that's why all of the various names that you're seeing

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Speaker 1: that surrounds the Giants pick gives Dave Gettleman more leverage

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Speaker 1: talking about. And one of those players that's been named

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Speaker 1: four guests today. That's Tony Haynes. He's the NC State

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Speaker 1: and he joined us right now on Giants dot Com. Tony,

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Speaker 1: you got John Schmilkin Paul to Tino here in NEAs Weatherford,

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Speaker 1: New Jersey. How are you today? Going great? Guys? How

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Speaker 1: are you? We're doing great? And I think Bradley Chubb

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Speaker 1: it's he's a young guy. He's one of those rare

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Speaker 1: a bulldozer on that front line to really make you salivate.

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Speaker 1: So he calls me up from the Senior Bowl and

431
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: he says to me, PAULI Dot, You're gonna love this guy.

432
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 1: You check out this guy from you tap, So of

433
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: course I start looking up the video and I'm just

434
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: going absolutely bonkers. So sell me on, will her Nandez

435
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: sell me something about him that I don't know that

436
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that's either gonna make me love him

437
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: or maybe have questions about it. Well, first of all,

438
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess an obvious questions why he ended

439
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,919
Speaker 1: up at a at a place like UTEP. You know

440
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 1: that that win oh and twelve this past year. And

441
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: by the way, a team that goes oh and twelve

442
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: and Conference USA and produces a second team All American

443
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: just tells you about how productive he would have to be.

444
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: That's not usually the formula you use when you're picking

445
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: All American alignments. But you know, coming out of high school,

446
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: he didn't initially have his grades. He was getting recruited

447
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: by everybody, and I just wasn't academically eligible on signing day.

448
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 1: So he looked through UTEPS press releases. He's nowhere to

449
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: be found on there, and uh, well, what happened that

450
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: they had a feeling he might get eligible. He was

451
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: already getting ready to go to junior college and then

452
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he got his scores, became eligible,

453
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 1: and you tep at that point, Sean Coogler had just

454
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: taken over. He Uh, he got fired this past season,

455
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: but he's now the offensive line coach at Denver, the

456
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. So any rate he left a scholarship opened

457
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: her none that became eligible at that point. He probably

458
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: could have created some other options for himself, but he

459
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: felt some real loyalty to uh Googler for sticking with him.

460
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: Came there, you know, So he wasn't there on signing day.

461
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: Then he red shirted. So in the next year, all

462
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: of a sudden, there's this guy I hadn't seen before. Really,

463
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's scheme him on the scout

464
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: team that he's wearing a different number every week, and

465
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: suddenly he's a twelve game starter and uh, you know,

466
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: just just amazing productivity and and actually, you know, after

467
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: the academic problems he had getting eligible, he was a

468
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: good student at U teph and uh he was also

469
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: the guy he probably did by far the most interviews,

470
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: which you might think of strange for even a star alignment,

471
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: but he was the Spanish speaker too, so he did

472
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: double duty, you know, doing the interviews for Univision as

473
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: well as El Paso time, So he was sort of

474
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the kind of the go to guy for a lot

475
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: of people to talk to and just enjoy to cover.

476
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: A very productive player for four years for you know,

477
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: a bright spot on a team that didn't have a

478
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: whole lot of them. Why team with the Senior Bowl, Brent,

479
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: We know we can move people. He gets his hands

480
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 1: on you. You're finished. My question is, uh, in his

481
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: time at Utah, did you detect any issues with some

482
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: of the quicker, speedier rushers that maybe play that three

483
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: technique that might be able to, you know, be a

484
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: little bit more mobile and agile than he was? Well,

485
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean he usually was great and out

486
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: close to I mean typically you didn't see people getting

487
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: a lot of penetration up the up the middle on him.

488
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: And you know, this is a team that ran the

489
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: ball a lot and when they had an excellent running

490
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: back back there Aaron Jones who's now with the Green

491
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Speaker 1: Bay Packers. You know, they were they could run the

492
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Speaker 1: ball and they could protect the cornerback. They had a

493
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: lot of other problems on offense, uh, in terms of

494
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, when the quarterback got protected what was going

495
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: to happen next. But you know, they were able. They

496
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: were a power running up the middle team. And I

497
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: think a lot of that because they had a guy

498
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: like like Will Fernandez and they didn't concentrate on building

499
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: around the confensive line. That's the one thing they did.

500
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: But that all started with Will Hernandez and they were

501
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: very successful at just you know, running the ball between

502
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: the tackles. You know, it's one thing to to be

503
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: able to deal with the more athletic defensive tackles that

504
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: now is one of the brands in the NFL. They

505
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: seem to really like some of those guys. But what

506
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: is it about his ability to pick up the stunts?

507
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: Because there will be multiple blitz packages and twists and

508
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: stunts that come at him in the NFL that he

509
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: probably hasn't seen before. How do you feel he will

510
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: handle those? Well, he's a smart player. Uh. You know,

511
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: right away he was starting is you know, a twelve

512
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: game starters, a red shirt freshman, and you know, frankly

513
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: he probably could have started the year before. It's just,

514
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, the way Cooger was building things. He firmly

515
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: believed that every offensive lineman red shirts and pretty much

516
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: stuck to that for a while. But he was a

517
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: smart guy. I mean he picked it up in a hurry,

518
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: and you know it was was such a difference maker,

519
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, from the first game he went in there

520
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: playing and you know, I think they would even tell

521
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: you he was straight out of high school. He was

522
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: a difference maker on the scout team. And uh, you know,

523
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: he's always shown an ability to learn. He's he's he's

524
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: really has a high football like you as well as

525
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: they say, a pretty nasty temperament in a good way

526
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: of course. Uh, I mean he yeah, he never caused

527
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: any any problems at all away from you know, off

528
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: the field or anything. But yeah, a nasty temperament, but

529
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: also a real high football like you. He picks things

530
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: up in a hurry. He's real receptive to coaching and

531
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: teaching and that's kind of always been a trade of him.

532
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: Is there anything, and this is my final question, Brett,

533
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: anything that you've seen from him over four years. If

534
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: you're an NFL team and you were making this pick

535
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: that you would be quote unquote worried about when you draft,

536
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: will her name this? Well, you know, I mean I

537
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: guess everybody says he doesn't have the longest arms. You know,

538
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I imagine that that that means a lot to some people. Uh,

539
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: and not when he squashes you. You know, he hasn't

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: he hasn't played for winner. He was only on one

541
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: winning team there, and you know, I just don't know

542
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: how much that you can pin on a on on

543
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: a left guard. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, but

544
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he hasn't played for winners. And

545
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: you TEP and there was you know, one seven and

546
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: six team, uh, one Bowl appearance just you know, other

547
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: than that, a lot of losing. But I really don't

548
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: think he was he was the guy you would circle

549
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: and say that was you tep's problem. I think they

550
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: had enough of those. So you know, I think he's

551
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: a pretty complete deal. And and you know I was

552
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm surprised to see but I mean, you know the

553
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: fact that he's a second team All American bernou and

554
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: twelve team just tells you how good he had to be. Brett.

555
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: Final question before we let you go, Uh, from the

556
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: rumblings that you're hearing down there at campus, does it

557
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: look like he might sneak into the late first round?

558
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: I mean, initially coming off the Senior Bowl. I think

559
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: a lot of folks thought he'd be a high second

560
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: round pick, one of the reasons why I thought the

561
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: Giant should have him on their radar early in the

562
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: second round. But in recent times since, to combine, we

563
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: proad experts tell us they think he's going to sneak

564
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: into the twenties, maybe mid twenties in the first round.

565
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: What are you hearing about his potential selection? Well, because

566
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: the new coach, Dana Demel, said he heard from a

567
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: scout from one of the teams when they had their

568
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: pro day here high second round. But most of the projections, Now,

569
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: I think I did something. I found eleven projections and

570
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: eight of which had him going in the first round,

571
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: one of which actually projected into the second round and

572
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: had him going forth in the second round. Of the

573
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: call severally like thirty sixth overall. I mean, you know,

574
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: and that's just projections out of I don't really have

575
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, much of a deal for that covering the

576
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: draft or something. You think if he gets to round two,

577
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm not letting him get by the Giants. I'll run

578
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: up with the card. He's happy to go anywhere. I

579
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: know that. I talked to uh, you know, his hometown

580
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: team would be the Raiders starting next year. He's he's

581
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: a Las Vegas kid, but he said they're the one

582
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: team that doesn't need an offensive guard. That's true, but

583
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: he'd love to be a giant. I know that. Thank you, Brett,

584
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Great stuff from Brett Blum, Clist,

585
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: El Paso Times Covers, U TAP and now our final

586
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: guests the show. We stick in the Great State of

587
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Texas and we took the Haavey card and us from

588
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: he runs the rival site for U T. S A.

589
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: That's the University of Texas of San Antonio and U T.

590
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: S A not very often, Hovey, you talk about somebody

591
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: coming out of there that's gonna be drafted in the

592
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: first round of the NFL Draft. You got one this

593
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: year and Marcus Davenport Um and boy, he has just

594
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: been a dominant player from a physical perspective. But maybe

595
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that in terms of the sack numbers

596
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: over the course of his career. So I guess the

597
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: first question I'll start with your hobby and again thanks

598
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: for joining us, is why don't you think his sack

599
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: production has reached the double digits in any year that

600
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: he'd been that he's been at U T s A. Hey, guys,

601
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Um. I think that is uh

602
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: mostly doing part of the fact that he uh, he

603
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: had to develop over over these four years a U

604
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: T s A. He wasn't very highly recruited. I think

605
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: only New Mexico unilving E T s A were his

606
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: options coming out of high school. Um, being a former

607
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: basketball player, his body wasn't there quite yet, so uh,

608
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't take a redshirt year he was he

609
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: was he played during his true freshman years, so um,

610
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: he hasn't had time that he didn't have time to

611
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: develop his body. So that's what you see, a progressive

612
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: incline in production and not just those dominant numbers rough

613
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: up to bad maybe in his juniors year year just

614
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: he's had to get to that point. If he maybe

615
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: had that red shirt year, maybe he would have seen

616
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: those double digit set numbers, uh in his junior year

617
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: and then even a more dominant senior year. But since

618
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: he was thrown in the right away, you know, and

619
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Speaker 1: being such a I guess skinny guy when he when

620
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: he came into U T s A, UM, he had

621
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Speaker 1: he took a little bit of time to develop his

622
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: body to get to that where he is now. I

623
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: think there's there's still certainly a lot of upside and

624
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: development there, and when he gets drafted, he'll be drafted

625
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: more on projection than production to work off for what

626
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: John just said. By the way, he was two hundred

627
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: pounds when he got to uts. So, I guess my

628
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: question for you is, uh, he did a lot of

629
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: stand up stuff. Is this a guy who's gonna be

630
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: able to play with his hand on the ground in

631
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: the NFL? Or does he have to be a stand

632
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: up defensive end in a three or four? Will he

633
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: be able to do any coverage stuff maybe as a

634
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: little bit of a pseudo linebacker? Um? So, Uh, he

635
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: can do both, honestly, And he did do both under

636
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: uh now courter first and co defensive coordinator Pete Golding

637
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: in Alabama. Um, we can't say ran ran a hybrid

638
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: between three four and four three defense. So um he

639
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: was asked to put his hand on the third a

640
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: couple of times and he was asked to spend up

641
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: in a pass rush. He can do both. He succeeded

642
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: a little bit more in standing up in just doing

643
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: a bull rush um there, but he can if it

644
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: with with the White coaching, and you started and we

645
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: started seeing it towards the end of the year. He

646
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: can be a hand in the dirt type of defensive lineman,

647
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: but he can also be a UH specialist UH pastor

648
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: specialist in junior rush standing up. So I think with

649
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: the White coaching, he can be whatever he team needs

650
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: him to be um uh. When he's drafted, I think

651
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: he's going to be more of a stand up guy

652
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: until he can get that coaching and doing drips and

653
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: with his hand on the ground. Yeah, it's obvious. Funny.

654
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I saw the same thing when I was at the

655
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: senior ball and I'm watching him in JEM one on one,

656
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: Joe's between the defensive ends and the offensive lineman. He

657
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: got his hand in the dirt and he really didn't

658
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: have moves. He's, you know, bullrushing, running right into the guy.

659
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you put him in the

660
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: game at the senior bow and he's standing up. He

661
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: looks like a completely different player. So I guess it's

662
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: very important for him on the next level to get

663
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: into a room with a good position Claes to teach

664
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: him a lot of the technique and nuances of playing

665
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: that hand in the dark pass rushing spot. Huh exactly.

666
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: So he uh he's not the most polished pass rusher

667
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna see on tape. Um, he uses a lot

668
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: of spetistical ability, uh to get to the quarterback, to

669
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: get to the running back, to get penetration. Um. But

670
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: like you said, he uh, once he gets into the

671
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: pro system where whatever team takes him, UM, they're just

672
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna need to work with them and uh refining those moves,

673
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: getting some technique. Um. And now defensive defensive line coach

674
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: coach David was his coach year at a U T

675
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: s A last year, and you kind of started seeing that.

676
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: We started seeing the moves from him, which is, uh,

677
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: we didn't see just that straight line of bull rush.

678
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: You started seeing him using his hands. Uh, maybe some

679
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: spin moves here and there, and that's definitely something that

680
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: needs to develop when you get to the NFL. I

681
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: got a list of here coming out of the combine

682
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: at six six two sixty four. Now you've already told

683
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: us about the significant weight gain that he had over

684
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: the course of his college career, But where do you

685
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: sense his power quotient is and when he comes into

686
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: the NFL, do you expect them to want them him

687
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: to play at around two sixty to maintain that stand

688
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: up and speed and pursuit ability or do you think

689
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: they will ask him to try to put on additional weight,

690
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: strength and power so that he will be able to

691
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: hold up in a more physical kind of scheme. Um.

692
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: So I think that has to do with the speed. Right,

693
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: So throughout his years the UK say he gained weight

694
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: and didn't lose any of that speed and might have

695
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: even gone over bit faster. If teams can find that

696
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: that middle ground of maybe he can get to two

697
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: seventy seventy five without leaving all his speed. Um. If

698
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: they can find that middle ground, maybe like that perfect

699
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: weight and just leave him there, I think that's that's

700
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: where teams are going to find, you know, the perfect

701
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: measurement for him. Um or maybe to sixty years is

702
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: his preferred weight, which I mean wouldn't be a wouldn't

703
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: be a cute, but still, I mean that's not hide

704
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: and weight. Its prospect. Yeah, absolutely, Ivy. We appreciate the time,

705
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and um hopefully

706
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: we'll be talking about another great uthep prospect coming down

707
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: the pipe in the next few years. It's already off season.

708
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. Harvey Cardinals runs the rival site

709
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: for U T. S A does a great job, good

710
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: information there on Marcus Davenport. So we heard about Davenport,

711
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: we heard about Will your man Will Hernandez, and we

712
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: heard about Bradley Chubbing some of the guys from men

713
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: See State. In about ten minutes or so, we're gonna

714
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: hear from Michael Pritchard, former NFL wide receiver and he

715
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: also is a a lum of the University of Colorado,

716
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: does some uh silent reporting there, so we'll talk to

717
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: him about Isaiah Oliver and one or two other prospects

718
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: coming out of Colorado. That in about ten or twelve minutes.

719
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: So between now and then, folks, it's us, it's you.

720
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: It's the calls. We got nobody on hold. So if

721
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: you want to get in, sneak in a couple of points.

722
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: Yell at Paul about quarterbacks for me, about sa Kwon Barkley,

723
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: have at it two, four or five, one three. Anything

724
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: you learned Paul from those first three guests that jumped

725
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: out to you, Well, you know, I think it's pretty

726
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: obvious John that despite the fact that the quarterbacks have

727
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: gained most of the headlines in this draft, and this

728
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: goes back to the early fall, Uh, it's clear to

729
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: me that there are so many other guys who have

730
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: maked grades. And we talk about how it may not

731
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: be the deepest draft, but there's no doubt there is

732
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: a bunch of quality picks at other positions. And and

733
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: we've heard from so many people not just today, but

734
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: in the last two weeks since we've been doing our

735
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: draft previews about guys who were gonna be solid second

736
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: round picks. The people are not gonna be disappointed with

737
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of these second rounders, and they're gonna be

738
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: some very good make it third rounders and even probably

739
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: some fourth rounders given the certain positions. And that to

740
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: me is something that I think we talked about several

741
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: months ago before the combine, that the Giants are in

742
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: a good position because they need quantity, and this draft

743
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: should have quantity at the positions that they want. If

744
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you need a pass rusher, well

745
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: that's you're the tough one. And Marcus Davenport and Howard

746
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: Landry both on the board at the same time. Which

747
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: guy do you pick? Wow? I probably would pick Landry,

748
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: So would I this because he's had the production in

749
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: college in tween and looked like a dominant player against

750
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: good competition. He's less of a projection and and in

751
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: that situation. Also, I'm counting on Landry to be a linebacker. Okay,

752
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: I'm not going to put him down on the edge.

753
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: He is going to be a flat out, stand up

754
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: linebacker for me. Well, he's gonna rush on third downs, right,

755
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: no question, no question. But but but that is something

756
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: that I don't have to project with him. He's he's

757
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: done it. So I'm going Landry if I had my

758
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: choice there. All right, So let's do it. We got

759
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: three people on hold. We had about eight minutes or so.

760
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: Let's get everybody in. Let's go to Jason and Eastern Maine.

761
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: He'll be with us first. What's up, Jason? Hey, guys,

762
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: how are you doing right? What's up? I just had

763
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: a couple of questions for you. Um, I've read a

764
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: course over the last couple of weeks, different things about

765
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: O'Dell how the Giants feel about odell Um. One of

766
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: the things I just read was and and maybe this

767
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: is just somebody's writing, but but I had read something

768
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: about they just made it sound like the Giants don't

769
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: want to pay him, And I'm wondering is that really

770
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: the case or is that just their their opinions. Here's

771
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: the things want to find him. There's a price and

772
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: a value on every player in the league. So to

773
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 1: say they don't want to pay a player any player

774
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: needs context. Are they willing to pay Odell Beckham uh

775
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: twent million dollars over ten years? No? Are they won't?

776
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: Where's that line for him? Who knows? I don't know

777
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: the answer to that. Only Dave Getleman knows the answer

778
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: to that. So are they willing to pay a little

779
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: Beckham Jr? Yes? Are they willing to pay anything? No?

780
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: But you know, I willing to pay any player whatever

781
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: he wants. So it's going to be a negotiation. Yeah,

782
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: the salary cap won't let you do that. But I

783
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: would just only caution you that over the last year,

784
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: the the batting average or the percentage of direct hits

785
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: from the written word that has appeared around this franchise

786
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: has not been very good, and so just be really

787
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: careful about that. Because there's a lot of stuff out

788
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: there that's that's just not been very accurate over the

789
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: last year. It's it's gotten really really wild. Okay, Yeah,

790
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I just it just kind of made it sound like

791
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: they don't want him anymore, and I just have I

792
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing that because he's such a

793
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: great player. Yeah, continue to have a hard time. Continue

794
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: to have a hard time believing that. Okay, here's my

795
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: other question. I'm just wondering, why is it such a

796
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: big deal because I know there's there are rules that

797
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: you can't have, like, uh, coaches working with the players

798
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: throughout the year. It's only at certain times. Can you

799
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: guys just and I'll just hang up and listen to

800
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: you guys. Why is it such a big issue, uh

801
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: to do that? White, Why don't they just allow the

802
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: coaches and players throughout the year if they want to

803
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: be able to prepare for the season. What are the

804
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: bad parts about that? I'm gonna make this real quick,

805
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: thank you, Jason, Yeah, real quick. The Players Union had

806
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people in charge who had the most power,

807
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: who were longtime veterans in the league. So when they

808
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 1: negotiated the c b A, the labor agreement with the owners.

809
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: They push for as little offseason work as possible because

810
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: those guys want to preserve their rich contracts, They want

811
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: to elongate their careers, they want to stay away from injury.

812
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: They want to kind of take it easy and to

813
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: not sound like a jerk. The less time the younger

814
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: players have in the meeting room to learn more and

815
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: take their jobs, the worst off they are. Okay, So

816
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you have only a portion of

817
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: the union's interests being expressed at the negotiation table. And

818
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: this is what you get, a c B A that

819
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: basically results in flag football for half of the season,

820
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: and it hurts the development of guys who you're trying

821
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: to coach up. And the second part of that, you

822
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: know what group was not represented at all in lamor negotiations,

823
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: the young folks A head coaches, Darnell head coaches in there.

824
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: So when owners are worried about the bottom line, at

825
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: least some of them, they might be, well, all right,

826
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna make this extra million dollars a year, but

827
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: they like don't show up, They don't put pads on

828
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: for a few weeks. All right, where do I sign this?

829
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, all the coaches aren't involved that sort of thing,

830
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: so all that gets kind of gets put together, and

831
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: I think that they're afraid Jason, that if you put

832
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: in there that the guys can be with coaches if

833
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: they want, then there's going to be pressure applied to

834
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: everybody to do it. And then while it's not mandatory,

835
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: it almost becomes mandatory because some people choose to do

836
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: and other people want to keep up. So that's kind

837
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: of why that optional thing is not in the c

838
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: b A, because they think it turns into a even

839
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: it's not written down as mandatory, becomes a quasi man

840
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: the toy type of activity. Duke and Queen's what's up, Duke? Duke?

841
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: Go ahead, pal, Hi, Hello, what I wanted to ask you? Well,

842
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: first of all, I wanted to say that I've been

843
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: listening to you guys for like the past two to

844
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: three weeks because I'm interested in the draft, and there's

845
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: been a select few of New Yorkers, actual New Yorkers calling.

846
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: So this question right now is from an actual New

847
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: Yorker has to argue with cowboy fans, and I just

848
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: want to ask you, besides the quarterbacks, how many wins

849
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: do you protect project each prospect to help us get

850
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: in this upcoming season. I think I think thee Bradley Barkley. Uh.

851
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: And I think it's hard, Duke. I mean it's hard

852
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: to put it like a number of wins on an

853
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: individual player. Like for example, let's say they draft say

854
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, but they don't draft any of their offensive lineman. Well,

855
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: then you know what, the way amount he's going to

856
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: affect the team is going to change because he doesn't

857
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 1: have the blockers in front of him. So it's leave

858
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: it this way. Whoever they pick, you're gonna help the

859
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: team win football games. But and this is the beauty

860
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: of football, dude. This is why it's such a great sport.

861
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: It's not like the NBA where you throw the superstar

862
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: on the five man starting lineup and he's gonna add

863
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: wins to your team. You know, one player as good

864
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: as they are, doesn't push the envelope where he's gonna

865
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: turn a really bad team into a really good team,

866
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: unless you're talking about a quarterback. It's a team effort.

867
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: So you know they can bring in stake Kawon Barkley,

868
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: he's wonderful. But if Beckham gets hurts again, or a

869
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: couple of defensive players go down, or you know they solder.

870
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: God forbid, it gets rolled on the third week of practice,

871
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: it is out for the year. It's not gonna mean anything.

872
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: So it's just really hard to put a number of

873
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: wins on an individual plan. Don't gif You listen to

874
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: the show often enough, you know I like to use

875
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: two analogies to the game of football. Won the game

876
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: of dominoes, because there's a domino effect and every single

877
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: thing decision you make player the to deploy and And

878
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: the other one I like to use all the time

879
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: is that the NFL football the game is a spider

880
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: web where every strand affects the other strand. So it's

881
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: really an impossible question to answer. Okay, one last question.

882
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be fast. Um. I know you guys,

883
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: the Giants fans, you're doing a Giants podcast, but do

884
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: we make the playoffs next year? I know you don't

885
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: know his injuries, but do you think we may get

886
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: way too early to talk about it? But I'll tell

887
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: you this. John Mara has make it very clear from

888
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: the moment he hired Dave Gentleman is the GM he

889
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: expects the team to be good this year. Those were

890
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: his words, and I think they will be competing for

891
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: a playoff spot. I think they'll be in the conversation

892
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: if they're not, But this way be very disappointing to

893
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people. If on December one the team

894
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: is out of contention, I think that would be extremely disappointing.

895
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 1: I would agree with that, and I would be somewhat

896
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: surprised by that. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked. You're coming

897
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: off at three and thirteen year I can't be shocked,

898
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: But I would be somewhat surprised. There should be meaningful

899
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: games in December, I would hope. And beyond that, like

900
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: you said, Duke, with injuries, you just who knows. You

901
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: can't figure it out. Our final call is Eric in Charlottesville.

902
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: What's going on? Eric? Hey, guys, UM, I really enjoyed

903
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: those two interviews you had earlier, Um, and specifically because

904
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: I was really high on Davenport and Hernandez and now

905
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. And I thought this is something

906
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: you could talk about because what I'm what I'm thinking

907
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: is there's a big risk in taking these small school guys,

908
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: the competition they're facing, the coaching they get. And I'm

909
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: just now I'm thinking, I'm trying to remember if Terry

910
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: Ree said or someone had mentioned they were changing the

911
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: philosophy and taking only big school guys because of the

912
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: competition and the fact that you had a better chance

913
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: of hitting on a pick. Two years ago, coming two

914
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: years ago, John Marras said, I'm sorry, but two years ago,

915
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: John Marras said, we're going to take less risk. That

916
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: was that was the thought. And I don't necessarily know

917
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: if that always equates the bigger school guys, but the

918
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: thought was less risk. And I would say this too.

919
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: I think you tep is in a bigger conference and

920
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: is a bigger school despite their record than U T.

921
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: S A. So I think her and It's probably went

922
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: up against better competition than Davenport, if you want to

923
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: measure it that way. And they did play in the

924
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, which is the best of the best. Correct,

925
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: then Davenport didn't make plays against bigger schools. Yeah. I

926
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: just got the impression from hearing from the local guys

927
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: talk about them that they seemed to be projects in

928
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: certain respects, and I didn't really I didn't realize that

929
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: until I heard that today. But anyway, it's just an

930
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: overall thought that, you know, the small school guys, you're

931
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: just taking a bigger risk. I think to some extent

932
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: you do because you're right and and and thanks a

933
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: lot for the call. We got to make sure we

934
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: get our final guests in here. Um yeah, I think

935
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: to some extent you're right because you're not seeing them

936
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: on film against top competition. UM. I don't think Will

937
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: Hernandez is a project. There are things he has to

938
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: work on shore, but day one he's gonna walk in

939
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: the building and he's gonna move people. I mean, you

940
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: know he can do that. Just look at him. He's

941
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: got the neck role, he's got the whole thing. I mean,

942
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: just look at the guy. He's gonna move people. Now

943
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 1: mighty struggle a little bit, and you know, against quicker

944
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: three techniques. Sure, and that's something he's gonna have to

945
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: work on. Um. I think Davenport is more accurately described

946
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: as a project to me. I mean, you heard from Hobby.

947
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: He made the point that, look, he doesn't have a

948
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: lot of pass rush moves. He wins on his athletic ability.

949
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: That's what he said. And I told you that's why

950
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I started the Senior Bowl. I didn't see moves. I

951
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: didn't see the stuff. You know, Bradley Chubb is so

952
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: advanced with his hands, and he swipes and he dips

953
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: and he swims and he does all that stuff. You

954
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: don't see that from Davenports. So I could see Davenport

955
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: in year one doing very little from a defensive end

956
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: getting sacks situation. I think year one, well, Hernand is

957
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: a starting sixteen games here and helps you in the

958
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: run game. Right away, We'll make it clear for you.

959
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: Davenport in another year with deeper defensive ends in the draft,

960
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: he's a second round draft pick. That's possible, okay, But

961
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: right now people are talking about him as a late

962
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: first round draft pack, not even late Paul and And

963
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: and that's because it's much deeper at guard than it

964
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: is at defensive end. I'm with John on this. Look.

965
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: You can you can scheme a big, massive, powerful offensive

966
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: guard into what you wanna do, and and you can

967
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: plug and play right away with him. Davenport, not necessarily,

968
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a sub a sub package guy on

969
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: the defensive end. And then quite frankly, how many snaps

970
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: he gets, that's gonna be a developmental situation. All right,

971
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: now it's time for our final guest, and we're joined

972
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: by Michael pritchardt former NFL wide receiver. You probably remember

973
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: from his time with the Atlanta Falcons, and of course

974
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: he also with the Colorado So who better to talk

975
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: about Isaiah Oliver, the top cornerback coming out of Colorado

976
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: this year. Michael, you got johnsh melcoln pall to Tiois

977
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: Weather for New Jersey. We appreciate the time today, Thanks

978
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: a lot. I appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me on.

979
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: No problem. You know what it's like to deal with

980
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: corners that could be a pain in your rear end.

981
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: Why is Isaiah Oliver going to be a pain in

982
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: the rear end for NFL wide receivers next year? Well,

983
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: because he's long, guys. You know you hear it all

984
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: the time in NBA that player is long. He's a

985
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: good wing player. I mean, he can do so much

986
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: with the spacing concepts. I think Isaiah Oliver kind of

987
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: presents that as a defensive back. Now in an actual

988
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: football league, at least he will present that he is

989
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: a guy who prides himself at challenging receivers at the

990
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and he's got these long arms that

991
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: as a receiver, that's a little bit intimidating. You know,

992
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: if I'm not off the ball as a planker, if

993
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm on the ball, I gotta be physical equally as

994
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: physical as as a Oliver because I know he's going

995
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: to try to stab me at the line of scrimmage,

996
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's something I gotta do and I gotta deal

997
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: with in terms of trying to make sure I have

998
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: the timing on the route. So I just from a

999
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: physical present standpoint, Isaiah Oliver is intimidating. So that's impressive

1000
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: to me for the next level. H let me ask

1001
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: you this now, Mike, the techniques that that some of

1002
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: these guys are using in college, they can't always get

1003
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: away within the pros against some of these wildly highly

1004
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: skilled veteran receivers. I'm curious as to how polished do

1005
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: you think he is in terms of can he help

1006
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: a team right away? Uh, in their in their sub package,

1007
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: let's say, or do can he challenge for a starting job,

1008
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: depending upon who the competition is. You know it's gonna

1009
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: be tough, friendI rookie to challenge for a starting job

1010
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: in a national football like, I don't care who you are,

1011
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna take you some time to adjust, but in time. Yeah,

1012
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: Isaiah Oliver's he certainly has a talent to do that.

1013
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: I think right off to that. I mean, any team

1014
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: that jaff Isaiah Oliver will have a guy that they

1015
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: could certainly sub in. Uh. He's an outside the numbers player,

1016
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: He's a he's a deep quarter player too. I mean

1017
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: you can play in that hybrid situation if you want

1018
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: to try to match him up with a tight end.

1019
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: He's just had a cover guy, you know, from a

1020
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: slot perspective, a slot corner perspective. I don't do that

1021
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, he's a guy that that can

1022
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: make plays outside of the number. You can tax the

1023
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: football down the field, certainly, But I think he just

1024
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: poses a problem, uh for receiver, especially like the third

1025
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I mean, he got a third wide receiver

1026
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: doesn't play that much. He's coming in the game and

1027
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: then you have Isaiah Oliver and matched up against him

1028
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: as a rookie, I think that's gonna be a tough

1029
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: job for that receiver. Based on his skill set in

1030
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: the way he described him, does he have most of

1031
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: the experience in press man is that where he's gonna

1032
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: be best, rather than putting him in a Cover three

1033
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: or a Cover two zone situation. Well, you know, cover

1034
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: two is perfect for him because I press is very

1035
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: hard jam guy. He's a yeah, he's a hard He's

1036
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: a hard damn guy. And again, a covered ties in

1037
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: a Cover two systems. You know, cover three off the

1038
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: ball a little bit. I think he has great instincts

1039
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: and knows how to drive on the ball, knows how

1040
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: to read the eyes of a quarterback as well. But

1041
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: then you know his preference certainly will be press man.

1042
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 1: I think Colorado we played a lot of press man,

1043
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: and you know that was his that was his presserence site.

1044
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: Probably not his forte immediately in the National Football League

1045
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: because I, like I said, there's some nuances he's gonna

1046
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: have to learn. But once he gets those nuances down

1047
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: and he becomes a pro, I think this guy's the

1048
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: limit Forriday Oliver, and I really love the fact that

1049
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: he can be a hybrid kind of guy. And you're

1050
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: seeing that a little bit more in the National Football

1051
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: League where you have cover guys and move to safety.

1052
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: They're trying to match up on a tight end or

1053
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: they'll match up on a bigger receiver or so I think,

1054
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: I say Oliver presents that that versatility for any defense.

1055
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: I don't want to be negligent here, Mike, I need

1056
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: to ask you how is he and run support? You know,

1057
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: we've seen the Dion Sanders types who can cover anybody,

1058
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: but then maybe don't want to come up and hit

1059
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: too many people, especially when they're two of twenty five pounds.

1060
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: All right, right, yeah, I played with the on and um,

1061
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: you know he did not like context. But uh no,

1062
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, I say Olive, I think he's a he's

1063
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: a hard nosed kind of guy and and fight. I

1064
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: mean about the hybrid situation to Uh, he doesn't mind

1065
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Speaker 1: sticking his sticking his nose in there and mixing up

1066
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh. He's physical line scrimmage anyway, trying

1067
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 1: to jam wide receivers. So any running game that reaches

1068
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: the perimeter, Uh, he can be an effective player and

1069
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: effective defender making a tackle out here. So certainly he

1070
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: wants to cover like any cover corner guy would want

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00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: to do, or any secondary player want to do. But

1072
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: if they see run action come their way or run

1073
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 1: after the catch action. Uh, he's definitely gonna make a

1074
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: tack out there. We're joined by Michael Pritchett from an

1075
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: NFL wide receiver does a good job covering Colorado. Also

1076
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: on one or four three the fan in Colorado host

1077
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: a morning show out there. Michael. One thing, and you

1078
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: mentioned the techniques with the NFL, and it's tough to

1079
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: make that transition to start right away. And I think

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: one thing that a lot of a lot of collegians

1081
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: struggle at, especially when you're in that press man you're

1082
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: in maybe a trail position, is to keep your speed up,

1083
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: stay with your wide receiver, get your head around when

1084
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: the balls in the air, and make a play on

1085
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: the ball in the year and not allowing the wide

1086
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: receiver to separate from you when you do that. How

1087
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: is Oliver in that transition when the balls up in

1088
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: the air, going from his man coverage to locating the

1089
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: ball in the air and making a play on it

1090
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: without committing a defensive pass and the fierce penalty or

1091
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: allowing the receiver to get open. Well, because of his dimensions,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I believe Oliver already has that confidence. Um,

1093
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys who are shorter cornerbacks,

1094
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: I think they have a tendency of trying to locate

1095
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: the receiver as they look back, and therefore they commit

1096
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: the passion appearance generally. But do you have a guy

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00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: over six feet who's a track guy too, I mean

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00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: he's he's very confident, highly confident in his speed. With

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00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: the speed uh that, you know, he has that supreme

1100
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: confidence to understand and he's got position in a man

1101
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: and man technique and all he has to do is

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00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: kind of locate the football. And so with that confidence,

1103
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: that helps the defender tremendously. And I'll give you another

1104
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 1: reason why I think it's gonna be okay. For I

1105
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: say Oliver is when he hit to the National Football

1106
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: League and again learning the nuances of playing corner as

1107
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: opposed to playing corner in college. You're taught different things,

1108
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, the nuances. Okay, let me look at the

1109
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: receiver's eyes. When those eyes get big, Okay, I'm gonna

1110
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: look for We're gonna look behind me and look for

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00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: the football. If I see a receiver's hands trying to

1112
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Speaker 1: come up to make the catch, Okay, now I'm gonna

1113
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: turn around and look for the football or I'm just

1114
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: gonna knock it away once the ball arrived. Those little

1115
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: things as a professional athlete is what's going to be

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00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: highlighted to Isaiah Oliver, therefore making him a better place.

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Speaker 1: My final question for you, Mike, and talking about Oliver,

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00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 1: I noticed from the stats that I checked up on

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00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: with him was a punt returner a year ago, and

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Speaker 1: then in seventeen didn't nearly return as many punts. What

1121
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: was the story there behind him not getting as many

1122
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: special teams wraps? And then finally, do you think his

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Speaker 1: special team's value will help or enhance his draft ability.

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00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think he in that

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00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: second cluster of corners and what is a very deep

1126
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: cornerback draft. Yeah, it is deep. I think some people

1127
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: have him as the fifth best corner back in this draft.

1128
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Speaker 1: I mean they really loved his side in the speed.

1129
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: You know. As far as a returner, he got banged

1130
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: up a little bit this year or this past season. Uh,

1131
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: and so you know, not taking a chance that lane

1132
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: and just trying to get him back to full strength

1133
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: really during the course of the year, I think was

1134
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: was a priority for the Buffaloes. But yeah, he's very effective.

1135
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: He can do it. It can certainly be a part returner.

1136
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to be Devin Hester type. Uh,

1137
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 1: he's not going to be anything like that, but certainly

1138
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 1: he can do that job. But as a special teamers too.

1139
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: I mean you're looking at a gunner, you're looking at

1140
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 1: a guy running down the kickoffs, you're looking you're looking

1141
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,880
Speaker 1: at a special teams player that could make an impact

1142
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: to you. But you know immediately, Isaiah Oliver to me,

1143
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: is the sub package guy that can turn into a starter,

1144
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: but also gives universatility of being a hybrid cover corners,

1145
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: safety guy. And then on top of that, he's gonna

1146
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: add to the depth on special teams. So he fills

1147
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: out that roster for you, and that's important. You know,

1148
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: one through fifty three is more important to have that

1149
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: at high quality. Then certainly you're starting eleven on offensive,

1150
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: starting eleven on on the defense. So so that I

1151
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: think Isaiah Oliver just presented so much point NFL franchise.

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Speaker 1: Two more quickies Michael for me, he went up against

1153
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Speaker 1: Michael Gallup and Dante Pettis, who could be the two

1154
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: picks this year. Um, how do you do against those

1155
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: guys and what do you think of watching Gallup and

1156
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: Pettish in those games, how do you think they might

1157
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: translate to the NFL level. Well, you know, I had

1158
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Speaker 1: a sideline seat h Isaiah Oliver versus Michael Gallup and

1159
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: that that was the matchup. That was the first game

1160
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Speaker 1: of the year to Rocky Mountain Showdown and a good

1161
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: matchup Isaiah. But I think got the best up in

1162
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Speaker 1: the first game of the year. I have tremendous respects

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Speaker 1: for Michael too. I think he's gonna be an excellent pro.

1164
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Speaker 1: But that first game of the year that goes Isaiah

1165
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Speaker 1: Oliver and then watching Pettis, I mean, he's that slot guy.

1166
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: Uh that Isaiah Oliver didn't really match up that much

1167
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Speaker 1: at it uh and and he did so much. I

1168
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: mean he moved him around up there at the University

1169
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: Washington so much. Isaiah Oliver. He's an outside the numbers

1170
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: cover corner. But again he gives you, uh, that ability

1171
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: to do that safety flash cover guy on the outside

1172
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: hybrid situation. He is not a slot receiver or inside

1173
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: receiver cover guy. Got the final one from me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a little bit of a curveball here.

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Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay Um the running back from Colorado, small guy,

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Speaker 1: five ages a pounds. I've talked to some of my

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Speaker 1: scouting buddies and they seem to think he could be

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: a Day three steal is a third down back type

1179
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Do you think he has a future

1180
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: in that role? Yeah? I do. I absolutely love Philip Lindsay.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've met uh Philip Lindasy. You know when

1182
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: he was a young guy, a young buck, uh, and

1183
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: he was he was a highly intelligent football player, A

1184
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: tough kid to you for being so small. Um. You know,

1185
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: the NFL is so specialized now too, when you have

1186
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: a rotation that running back with certain franchises. He feels

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: a distinct role that can be highly explosive on an

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00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball. So yeah, I think he

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Speaker 1: has a future. He's tough enough to play sixteen games.

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: He can give you special teams contribution as well. But

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00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: he's just a football player and he loves the game

1192
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: and anybody that gives him an opportunity, I believe was

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00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: going to have a steal there. Michael. We appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much. Good stuff, Have fun on your show

1195
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: today and we'll talk to you down the road. All right, Mike,

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00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: thank you. Sounds good, Okay, thank you. That's Michael Pritchard,

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Speaker 1: former NFL wide receiver for the Falcons. Now he does

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Speaker 1: some sideline work for Colorado and on one oh four

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Speaker 1: three the fan in Denver, Colorado. That's it for today's show.

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Speaker 1: I hope you got some good education on the four

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Speaker 1: schools we touched on today. I know we did excellent

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00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: work for everybody out there. Paul always a pleasure as well.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow is Jeff Eagles and I we do Alabama with

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Speaker 1: Phil Savage, also runs a Senior Bowl. Good stuff from there.

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00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: And Dani Rolovski, former NFL quarterback on the Quarterback Class.

1206
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Speaker 1: And it's Lobster Day. I've gotten word Charlie has sent

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Speaker 1: the lobsters there in the mail. Jeff Eagles receives his

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Speaker 1: prize tomorrow. We'll see you then on johnnys dot com.

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Speaker 1: Have a good day, everybody,