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Speaker 1: Welcome to Tuesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff live here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot com. He's Jeff Fiegel's Am Lance Metal.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you for the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: Two zero one three. That is the telephone number. You

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Speaker 1: could also interact with us on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: So the Giants just held their final practice before they

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Speaker 1: wrap up the preseason tomorrow. They are going to be

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Speaker 1: traveling to Foxboro to get set to play the Patriots

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Speaker 1: then on Thursday night and that'll be the fourth and

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Speaker 1: final preseason game. And then Saturday, four pm Eastern is

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Speaker 1: the deadline to get the ninety man roster, or technically

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Speaker 1: it's eighty nine right now for the Giants down to

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Speaker 1: fifty three. So before you know it, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: focusing on the Week one game against the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: But right now, a final opportunity, Jeff, for some of

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Speaker 1: the players on the back end of the roster to

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Speaker 1: give themselves one more shot to make an impression with

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff before we get to that. On the

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Speaker 1: injury front, Sam Beale was working on the side again

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Speaker 1: today as he is still trying to fight his way

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Speaker 1: back from multiple injuries. But because remember he had the

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Speaker 1: showder injury last year and all of a sudden it

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Speaker 1: was the hamstring injury. So you know he's trying to

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Speaker 1: finally get back to full force. And then Darius slayd

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Speaker 1: and also on the side because of the reaggravation of

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Speaker 1: the hamstring injury, and those are two young players. Sam

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Speaker 1: Beale I still consider him a rookie. Jeff it was

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Speaker 1: a red shirt year last year, he didn't play at all.

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Speaker 1: And we know Darius Slayde in a fifth round pick

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Speaker 1: from this year. So not only does it complicate matters

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Speaker 1: in terms of the fifty three, but you know the

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Speaker 1: development of both players as well, because Sam Bill was here.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was in the classroom last year, but

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Speaker 1: he didn't get on the field at all until this

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Speaker 1: offseason period started and they were counting on him absolutely

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Speaker 1: from from the depth position. You know, it's tough for

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Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, there's tough breaks for both of them.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're the coaches and the upper management

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Speaker 1: and you're looking at this final cut, you have to

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Speaker 1: this all comes into play because you've got to have

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Speaker 1: the health of the players. You gotta know, and it

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Speaker 1: all goes down to like if you if they tell

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Speaker 1: you that the training staff, listen, yeah, he heard his

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Speaker 1: hamstring again. But you know what, this isn't as severe

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Speaker 1: as the last one where he was out almost three weeks.

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Speaker 1: This one might just be a week that might help him.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, when you're kind of in that position.

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Speaker 1: Although he did have a good game the other night,

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Speaker 1: and I think that there is some promise with him,

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Speaker 1: So it's it's a tough decision. But unfortunately for guys,

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Speaker 1: it's bad timing when you get hurt during this week

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Speaker 1: or the week, you know, because this is a tough

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Speaker 1: The cuts are coming four o'clock on what do you say, Saturday? Furious? Yes, Saturday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's tough. Um, Now you know, can you can you

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Speaker 1: and things like that, and listen, you can't cut a

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Speaker 1: guy if he's hurt, so you know you have to.

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Speaker 1: That's where the I R thing comes. You know, you

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Speaker 1: can't sit there and say I'm gonna cut you. Now

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Speaker 1: that they could, they could say even when injured you could,

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Speaker 1: and then you resort back to I R. That's usually

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Speaker 1: how it works. But you have when you but you

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Speaker 1: when you wave him injured and there's a settlement, right,

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Speaker 1: Usually that means you're not coming back. If you do

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Speaker 1: come to a settlement, correct, that means then you're free

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Speaker 1: and you become a free agent. But there's other guys, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: that they get waved injured and then they were sort

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Speaker 1: back to your I R. And then if they're placed

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Speaker 1: to be designated. And then you've got to be careful

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Speaker 1: like a guy like Sam Belle with a third round

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Speaker 1: eyes on him. Oh, absolutely, And that's why I find

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Speaker 1: it very hard to believe that they would even consider

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Speaker 1: waivers and not being claimed, Jeff, I think are very slim.

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't a team take a chance on a guy

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants they're either gonna do one of

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Speaker 1: And just briefly refresh my memory on the there's there's designations,

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Speaker 1: not going to sacrifice a designation for that, because you

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Speaker 1: know what, next week there might be a player that

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Speaker 1: you could designate him right there and then bring him

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Speaker 1: And that's in fact when you when you do that,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be similar to the Sam Biale

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Speaker 1: school of thought. Jeff, you just drafted him in the

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Speaker 1: fifth round. Clearly the a lot of upside. So if

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Speaker 1: the medical team, to your point, I think you bring

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Speaker 1: he may be risky to play week one, should have

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Speaker 1: You put him on the roster. You don't ask any questions.

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Speaker 1: You inactivate him the first week and then because because

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Speaker 1: remember when you have six wide receivers Jeff on the roster,

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Speaker 1: and you and I have talked about this on game

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Speaker 1: That's why if Sladen is not ready to go week one,

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Speaker 1: So now does the necessity of having a veteran quarterback

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Speaker 1: last season when Daniel Jones was And let me ask

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Speaker 1: reality history tells us that Eli Manning does not get hurt, right,

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Speaker 1: So back to what is it Tanny or is it

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Speaker 1: I think that Alex Tanney may not be on the team, right.

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Speaker 1: we are at every position. Okay, you talk about that

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Speaker 1: Remember the veteran salary guarantees. Okay, you as a vested

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Speaker 1: veteran can be on the rough fifty three man roster, okay,

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Speaker 1: but that's just something. This is the manipulation of the

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Speaker 1: money they haven't cap now, but you know they want

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Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna go work for my dad. And you know,

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Speaker 1: now I work for my dad the first year in

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Speaker 1: the off season, okay, and remember I told you there's

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Speaker 1: no O T A S. We went to minicamp and May,

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Speaker 1: and then we went to training camp in July. Those

434
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Speaker 1: were the only two things we were required to still,

435
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Speaker 1: meaning it was really your responsibility to stay in shape,

436
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Speaker 1: stay in shape, and bright away. You know, I just

437
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Speaker 1: tell you this. My rookie year, I made fifty two dollars.

438
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a lot of money, of course, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta work, but I really gotta work now my

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Speaker 1: wife's pregnant. Yeah, So I went down and I was

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Speaker 1: into it. It It was down in Tucson, Arizona. Remember I

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Speaker 1: was from Phoenix, Guys. I'm in Tussa On, Arizona. I'm

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Speaker 1: beating myself now. No cell phones. The only thing of

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Speaker 1: a matter of communication was when you go back to

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Speaker 1: the hotel rooms. The old hotel phones used to have

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Speaker 1: a little yellow light or the orange light the blinker.

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Speaker 1: And I had come into the hotel room that evening

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Speaker 1: and the orange light was flickering, like you have a message.

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Speaker 1: And I called the front desk and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: my message lights on? They said, yes, Mr Fiegles, can

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Speaker 1: you um, we have a recorded mess It's for you

452
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Speaker 1: if you press seven now. But and the recorder message,

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Speaker 1: my wife is singing the song Philadelphia Freedom by Elton

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Speaker 1: John and I have no idea what she's talking about,

455
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Speaker 1: and she's saying, you we got I had gotten picked

456
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Speaker 1: up by Waivers from the Philadelphia Eagles and Buddy Ryan

457
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Speaker 1: and so that was her Philadelphia Freedom. We're going back

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Speaker 1: to Yeah. So that's how I got back in the game.

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Speaker 1: And it's luckily And when I got there, they had

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Speaker 1: told me Um Derek Punter had had got hurt Um

461
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Speaker 1: the year before, making a tackle and he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: be ready to play UM at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 1: So they said, come into training camp. You're gonna be

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Speaker 1: the guy that starts the season, and then we're going

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Speaker 1: to bring in At this point, I think when and

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Speaker 1: I R was four weeks, you can put a guy

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Speaker 1: on a I R I and he was gonna come

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Speaker 1: off from four weeks. And then what did they promise you?

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Speaker 1: They said, you know what, we're gonna promise you the

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Speaker 1: first four weeks. But then the in the incoment's coming

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Speaker 1: back in. He's hurt, of course, and he says, you

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Speaker 1: want to do well, get on film, you know, put

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Speaker 1: your put your film out there. You're gonna have another

474
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Speaker 1: This will be your third season, and hopefully you can

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Speaker 1: get another job. And I said, that's great. All I

476
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Speaker 1: can do is ask for the opportunity. And John Telchick

477
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Speaker 1: was the guy. He never made it back. He never

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Speaker 1: recovered from his injury, blew out his a c L

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Speaker 1: and could never come back and kick and the rest

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Speaker 1: is history. I ended up staying there for four years. UM.

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Speaker 1: But talk about timing and this business, Timing is everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, timing is more to it and sometimes than

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Speaker 1: the ability itself as far as how things happen in

484
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Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, just think about Philadelphia Freedom, one

485
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Speaker 1: of my favorite El El did John songs, who will

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Speaker 1: now have a completely different now. You know, every time

487
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Speaker 1: I hear that song, I'm not gonna be thinking about

488
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Speaker 1: your wife telling you and you go to the Eagles.

489
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Speaker 1: And by the way, you know, we could have a

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Speaker 1: show for hours upon hours for how many how many

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Speaker 1: stories I have over the years, but that one was

492
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Speaker 1: It's kind of relative to what we're talking about now,

493
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Speaker 1: is that you never know for some of these guys.

494
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Speaker 1: Some things can happen, and it's all about timing. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 1: I beat the year that I came to New England.

496
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Speaker 1: Rich cam Rio was a perennial Pro Bowl punter and

497
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Speaker 1: it just so happened that they wanted to make a switch.

498
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Speaker 1: He was making a little bit of money and he

499
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Speaker 1: kind of had a down year the year before, and

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Speaker 1: I went in there and and and beat him out.

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Speaker 1: I mean as an undrafted free agent when they had

502
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Speaker 1: like twelve or thirteen rounds back then. You never know,

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Speaker 1: And that was a timing thing, okay, which is everything

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Speaker 1: at the end of um the timing thing. On the

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Speaker 1: other thing is that a guy gets hurt in the

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Speaker 1: last week of camp, you know, Darius Slayton a hamstring

507
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Speaker 1: that may cost him his job. Sam Bill may cost

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Speaker 1: him his job. But guess what another when somebody loses

509
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Speaker 1: their job, somebody gains their job, right, So you never

510
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Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. It's all about timing in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League, and it really is. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at the Colts situation. Jacoby said, do you think he

513
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Speaker 1: was going to be the starter? He had no idea

514
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Speaker 1: what was gonna happen. Well, guess what, now he's the

515
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback for the Colts forever and advantage. So it's

516
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Speaker 1: all about a timing, timing thing. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, lots of stories and there's all kinds of

518
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Speaker 1: stories like mine that have guys in the NFL have

519
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Speaker 1: and they're all interesting well, and it's always nice to

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Speaker 1: hear though the player take advantage, like yourself, of the

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Speaker 1: opportunity and they go on to have an unreal career.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I was very humbled by

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Speaker 1: getting cut and that was you know, and that fueled

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Speaker 1: me because I was very mad that They told me

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Speaker 1: that I was gonna have to compete for my job

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Speaker 1: in May, when I wasn't ready to compete. Um, because

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Speaker 1: they only wanted to take one punter to camp. And

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Speaker 1: I mean they think about all of May, all of June,

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Speaker 1: and like half of July. I still had to be able.

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Speaker 1: I could have worked out and really, but they told

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Speaker 1: me when I got there in manicamp that you're going

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Speaker 1: to compete for the job. I wasn't ready. Nobody was

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Speaker 1: ready to kick in May. Um. I should have been,

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Speaker 1: but you know I didn't. I learned the hard way.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I said, I will never ever

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Speaker 1: have this happen to me again. And it never did

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Speaker 1: because you always came into the spring ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I was never. I was always ready to go, always

539
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Speaker 1: asking questions, when are we gonna do this? What are

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Speaker 1: we gonna do that? And I just was never going

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Speaker 1: to be in that situation again. And and I got

542
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Speaker 1: payback on the Patriots in two thousand seven. Indeed, that

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Speaker 1: is a great story. I don't never cut me to

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Speaker 1: New England ruin your year eight to know Yeah two

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Speaker 1: zero one night, three four five one three hashtag giants chat.

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Speaker 1: He's Jeff Eagles. I'm Lance Meadow. It is all presented

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Speaker 1: by Corps Light. Let's open up the phone lines with

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Speaker 1: Tuesday's the day a Big Blue kick off live. Rick

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Speaker 1: is in Tampa. He gets us going, what's happening? Rick? Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm first on the list today. Are hey, Jeff, let

551
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Speaker 1: me ask you real quick? Uh? Your son? Or who?

552
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Speaker 1: Who was somebody playing for Miami? Are they still there? No?

553
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Speaker 1: My well, my son, my youngest son, Zach. It will

554
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Speaker 1: be a rising junior. He is now. He's transferred to

555
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Speaker 1: the State of New Jersey institution called Rutgers, and um,

556
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Speaker 1: so he's gonna be in the Big ten. He's gonna

557
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Speaker 1: end up sitting out a season. Um got closer to

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Speaker 1: home and he's ready to go. Is it practicing up

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Speaker 1: there and enjoying it? Thank you for asking it? I

560
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Speaker 1: know because I know the Gators as a tough game

561
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Speaker 1: against Miami the other day, and I just thought maybe

562
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Speaker 1: UH had some rooting interest in that. But they looked

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Speaker 1: pretty good. Sure give him some credit. But I have

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Speaker 1: a couple quick things. One uh, and I know that

565
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Speaker 1: we know the answer, but why Barkley didn't play at

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Speaker 1: all any of the games. But I mean, you look

567
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Speaker 1: at Fournett and you look at these McCoy and Buffalo

568
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Speaker 1: they're playing. They're playing pretty much the first two games

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Speaker 1: solid quarter or two. I mean it was they didn't

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Speaker 1: even want him to get hit once or twice. I mean,

571
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Speaker 1: to to run the ball once. I mean, the other

572
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Speaker 1: guys are out there. I mean, yeah, I know he

573
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Speaker 1: can get hurt, but still, um, you know, well, he's

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Speaker 1: getting down. But Rick, he's getting hit in practice. Keep

575
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Speaker 1: in mind, I mean he's going through his practice rape right,

576
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not getting tackled making games. But I

577
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Speaker 1: feel like I think Pat Sherman knows Um by being

578
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Speaker 1: around the game long enough and understand the type of

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Speaker 1: player that he is. Um listen to state Kwon didn't

580
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Speaker 1: practice the way he does, you probably would see him

581
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Speaker 1: in games. But the guy goes a hundred on every

582
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Speaker 1: single player in practice. In fact, they gotta they gotta

583
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Speaker 1: slow him down to point where they're like, so, okay, okay,

584
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Speaker 1: we're okay with you. Then all right, that's fine, you know,

585
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: And then they got the third where guys are getting

586
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Speaker 1: hit they just can't tackle or hit them below. But

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00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the first game is gonna be a

588
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Speaker 1: little bit of a rough go for him as far

589
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Speaker 1: as physically, but he's gonna be able to handle it,

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Speaker 1: there's no question. Okay, Okay, that's fine. Uh. Now regarding

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Speaker 1: the final um the preseason preseason game we have, I

592
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Speaker 1: wanted to know one two questions. For one is if

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Speaker 1: you could give me a player on offense and defense

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Speaker 1: so you'll be watching most closely. Uh. That's the one

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Speaker 1: thing regarding the quarterback to no it's think it's a

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Speaker 1: no brainer. They're gonna only have to keep two quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: That just makes so much sense. I don't think it's

598
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Speaker 1: a trainer and Jones is the backup and that's it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you ever had to pick up somebody,

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Speaker 1: you can pick up a quarterback equal to any of

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Speaker 1: the two guys that we're gonna that we would cut. Well,

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Speaker 1: the reason why before we answer your the question, I

603
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Speaker 1: wouldn't label it necessarily as a no brainer, because keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, Dave Getleman drafted Kyle Loletta, so you know,

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Speaker 1: after a year or two, if they don't think they've

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Speaker 1: seen enough where they feel this potential in development, that

607
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Speaker 1: may be rationale alone to want to hold onto him.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't look at that as a no brainer

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Speaker 1: plus last season, and granted Pat Smer wanted an experience veteran,

610
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Speaker 1: but you could have also said Alex Tanny and Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning on the fifty three and maybe try to push

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Speaker 1: low let it to the practice squad and not eat

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Speaker 1: up another roster spot. So I never would view it

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Speaker 1: as necessarily a no brainer. Okay, well, I take on

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Speaker 1: the practice squad. Letta would be the best position for him.

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Speaker 1: So but that because an extra spot on a wide

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00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: receiver I or would be so much more important. And

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Speaker 1: and regarding wide receivers, I heard rumbling that Kenny Stills

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Speaker 1: from Miami I belief was gonna be cut or something

620
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: like that. Well, there's rumors about him being traded. That's

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Speaker 1: what the rumors are, not necessarily being cut, trade and

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Speaker 1: not got Okay, I mean a speed guy like that.

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Speaker 1: I'm almost attempted to take a chance with him because

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Speaker 1: we don't I still I still say we don't. With

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Speaker 1: Golden taken for four weeks, we don't have that speed

626
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: threat on the team. Uh So I thought that if

627
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: that would that be an option maybe for the Giants.

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Speaker 1: What you thought about that and your two players? Obviously

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Speaker 1: your your your offense and defensive play that you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be watching most closely come this final game. And I

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Speaker 1: will leave it at that. I am personally watching Connolly defense.

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Speaker 1: I think linebacker. I want him to make it a

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00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: smart guy and and and lead the team. I haven't

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: been impressed really with anybody else. And also, uh, the offense,

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to see more from the wide receivers

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Speaker 1: holding onto the ball on basic, basic throws. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's let me know what you guys think on those points.

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00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate Michell, appreciate the phone call, thanks so much

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00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: for tune in. In terms of his first statement about

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Speaker 1: the need maybe for a deep threat, Darius Slayton can

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Speaker 1: provide that. I understand there's some question marks right now

642
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: with respect to his health. I think Evan Ingram also

643
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: is going to be utilized as a vertical right this year, Jeff,

644
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: So you know, they're looking at it more from the

645
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: big picture, and they're not looking at it to acquire

646
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: a guy to take away reps from another guy maybe

647
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: for the first three weeks of the season, and then

648
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: Darius Slaine is fully healthy and we're gonna put him

649
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: on the back end of the depth shock, No, they're

650
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: gonna want to play him. So I don't really think

651
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: there's a major necessity right now for them to give

652
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: up future assets to go out and get a vertical

653
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: threat throughout a trade. You also have to look at

654
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: the salary cap situation and what you would be getting

655
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: in a trade and what you have left up for it. Yeah,

656
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: the amount of money you'll have to absorb from the contract.

657
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: And when you look at what the Dolphins are doing

658
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: over there, they're they're basically cleaning house, right They're trying

659
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: to trade everybody, They're cutting guys, and they're there there.

660
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: It was a tank for twa or whatever you want

661
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: to call it. You know, a lot of people like

662
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: to throw that out, but my point is that you've

663
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: gonna if you're gonna trade him, he's a he's a

664
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: pretty good commodity. Okay, he's got a little baggage with him,

665
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: which is right, Um, some teams don't want to deal

666
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: with that. But what do you have to give in return?

667
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: So what on our team would the would the Dolphins want? Well,

668
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: they probably would want a draft pick, I would think.

669
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the Dolphins want to bring on a

670
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: veteran or anything. But then the question is, if you're

671
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: the Giants, you also need a draft pick for few

672
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: draft sets. So is it worth giving up an asset

673
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: in the draft to loan a wide receiver for maybe

674
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: a year when Slayton and Ingram and some of these

675
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: other guys are your long term future. And I understand,

676
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: I get it with the threat, you know, they're over

677
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: the top threat. But I think that Ingram is a

678
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: is a threat to get down the field behind some coverage.

679
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: And I also think that Darius Slayton and the guy,

680
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: he's a young guy and he's he's unproven, but he

681
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: has speed and it's not like the other guys are

682
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: not fast at all. They can still get some separation

683
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: and get down the field. But you know, I just

684
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: don't see it happen. The other question is is that

685
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: I think that the inside linebacking position, um Day Davis

686
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: and I think that Olga Tree are your two guys

687
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, can conly do enough to get into that

688
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: starting lineup. I don't think so, maybe eventually, but not

689
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: right now. M But he definitely makes the club, I'll

690
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: can tell. I mean he's making them, He's making the

691
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: fifty three, He's gonna be a core special teams guy,

692
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be a guy that can come in

693
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: and a pinch if he has to play a game

694
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: or two and you'll be comfortable with him. Um. On defense,

695
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe one other defensive position, um, um man, let me see.

696
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I think that the roster

697
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: is pretty much summed up. Defensively, I don't know how many.

698
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe the one of the last cornerbacks or something,

699
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: maybe a safety chandler. I you know, I don't know. Um. Offensively,

700
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: I gotta still look at that offensive line and who's

701
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna play better, and who's gonna keep who's gonna be

702
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Are they gonna keep eight, They're gonna keep nine? I

703
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: don't know. They're definitely gonna keep eight, more eight or more.

704
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: They're not gonna keep seven. Yeah, I would find it

705
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: very surprisingly see seven, because you figure you're gonna keep

706
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: both of the centers and then you're still gonna need

707
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: a swing tackle and you're probably gonna want to keep

708
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, somebody also who's young that you can continue

709
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: to develop. For example, if they keep Spencer Pulley, Jeff,

710
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: if they keep Nick Gates, if they keep Wheeler and

711
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: Mahalik or one of the two. Slade is another option.

712
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: I would be very surprised if they don't keep at

713
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: least three backup offensive lineman. I got Gates making the team.

714
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: I do. I think that. I think that Shermer really

715
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: likes him. He's called him a really he's a good

716
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: football player. He's kind of one of those guys that

717
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Shermer likes. And when he says he's a good football player,

718
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: that means there's a lot of intangibles that go along

719
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: with that, that that label, if you will, Um, and

720
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: then I just think that, you know, you look at

721
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: the tackle position. I mean, big George is probably gonna

722
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: get I R do. He's having a hard time with

723
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: with that concussion, and that's just something he doesn't have

724
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: enough time to be able to make the team and

725
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: get somebody in there. And you gotta look at Wheeler,

726
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, look at Wheeler between Wheeler. Um. Yeah, I

727
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I just think that, uh well,

728
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, Slade is a guy that can play.

729
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: You see it. You saw him play guard and tackle

730
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: last week in the game. So you gotta look at

731
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: a guy like that that is valuable. But you know,

732
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe that swing tackle. We've talked about it. I'm sure

733
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: that Charlie will probably calling and talk about this play

734
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: like we want his information, think like we really need him. Um,

735
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe the show will go past two o'clock and we

736
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: have to we just can't take his call. Wishful thinking perhaps,

737
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: but I think that maybe maybe maybe there's a guy

738
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: out there that's going to get released and they know

739
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: as possible, and that answer the question. Remember we talked

740
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: about this on previous shows. The waiver claims don't go

741
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: in the order of the standings until a few weeks

742
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: into the season. The Giants are still, you know, relatively

743
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: high in the order based on the draft, so you know,

744
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: if they really are high on a guy, it's possible

745
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: they could make a claim. But Pat shermer I brought

746
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: this up on yesterday's show. Jeff was asked, do you

747
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: think your team is going to be as active as

748
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: it was last year when they made six claims, and

749
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: he says, we figured that we've turned the roster over

750
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: enough at this point that we've got a better feel

751
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: for what this team is gonna look like that it

752
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: would be surprising to see as much volume. However, that

753
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're not going to claim maybe one

754
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: or two guys crazy. There's there's no way I would

755
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: put it. I would give you the over under a

756
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: two and a half. Okay, I don't think that's crazy

757
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: at all. Two and a half. That's my number. I

758
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: think that um And if you want to take the

759
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: over or the under, go ahead and bet. But I

760
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: think it'll be interesting. I don't see them not getting

761
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: any any waiver claims because of the sixth position. You know,

762
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: if they're sitting at thirty two, which would have been

763
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: a nice thing. But the fact is is because their

764
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: number six, they can get a good player somehow. And

765
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: so maybe they're all out there looking and they're always

766
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: trying to upgrade their roster. And I would imagine if

767
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: you're the six waiver claim and you have the six

768
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: waiver claim for the whole league releasing thousands of players,

769
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: you might be able to find somebody out there that

770
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: you think it's better that's on your team. Yeah, and

771
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,800
Speaker 1: somebody that's gonna fall to you two. It's six because

772
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: of all of the volume of waivers, correct, I mean

773
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: the top five guys may not want to they may

774
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: not need a swing tackle, and you now get the

775
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: what would would an essence be the number one claim

776
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: for a tackle because nobody else took one. No. I

777
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: think that's a very fair point as far as Wheeler

778
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: is concerned. I think that Giants need to ask themselves,

779
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: did we see enough with him on the team last

780
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: year that we know where we're getting out of Chad Wheeler? Okay,

781
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: that's one question. Number two is he has been practicing

782
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: even though he hasn't been in games. I mean, he's

783
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: been toughening it out with the back you show, so

784
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: it's not as if they have not had a chance

785
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: to monitor his work in practice. So that's another thing

786
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: if you're wondering, you know, if he doesn't get on

787
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: the field, what does that mean of his chance of

788
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: making the team. I wouldn't read too much into it,

789
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: but those are some of the things I think within

790
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: the conversation. As far as some other players to watch

791
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: based on what you know. The question that Rick threw

792
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: out Alex Wesley, by the way, went down with an

793
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: ankle injury today at practice. Pat Shermer did confirm that,

794
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: so you know, that's gonna be something to monitor here

795
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: entering the final preseason game. If you're looking for players

796
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 1: on offense to watch outside of the offensive line, I'm

797
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna go with the wide receiver position to which is

798
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: what the caller emphasized. And I would like to see

799
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: what Brittain Golden does again. You know, this is a

800
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,919
Speaker 1: league where he's just gonna did he just get pretty Golden?

801
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: Golden's okay, Golden's fine. If Golden can duplicate what he

802
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: did Jeff in the last preseason game. And I understand

803
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: that he muffed the punt after the touchdown, but you

804
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: want to prove you're not just the flash. You want

805
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: to prove no matter who you're going up against, you

806
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: can continue to make play. So Golden, to me is

807
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: a guy to watch. And also t J. Jones because

808
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: if you're looking for that veteran on the back end,

809
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: it started off Jeff where t J. Jones right impressed, okay,

810
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: and then little by little, you know, yeah, and now

811
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: Brannan Golden came back up and you see what I'm saying,

812
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: is this now gonna be t J. Jones recovering. And

813
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: so that's what I'll be watching in this final preseason

814
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: game on the offensive side of ball. On the defensive

815
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: side of the ball. I'm with you. I don't think

816
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: there is an overwhelming battle across the board. I think

817
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: the Giants have a pretty good idea. But linebacker, to

818
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: me is still a position to watch. And you look

819
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: at Ryan Connolly, you look at b J Goodson, all

820
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: of these guys who remember they're monitoring in practice. I

821
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of fans you see a preseason

822
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and like, ob J didn't do anything. He didn't have

823
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: me that wow meat play. That doesn't mean that he's

824
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: not making the team because they're looking at what he's

825
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: doing in the film room, they're looking at what he's

826
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: doing in practice. So I want to just see can

827
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: maybe one of these guys separate themselves from the rest

828
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: of the pack because of what they do in a

829
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: preseason game. So the linebacker positions, specifically the interior guys,

830
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: not so much the exterior. Those are the guys that

831
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,479
Speaker 1: I'll be watching, Yeah, the the exterior, the outside linebacker guys.

832
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: I think the roster is pretty much set for those guys.

833
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: It's just the middle, inside position, maybe one safety position.

834
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Thomas, Antoine Bethea, and Jabrill Peppers are

835
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: your top three guys. Do they keep four safeties? Do

836
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: they keep five safeties? I don't know, UM, but you know,

837
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: I think that uh Lant and I are doing the

838
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: show to rest it a week, to be honest with you,

839
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: until Friday, I'm not gonna be here, but I think

840
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: at some point between now and Thursday, Lance, I'd like

841
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: to go over our fifty three man if you have

842
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: any plans for that on Friday, let's do that. I'm

843
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: not here for Friday, but we could do that on Thursday.

844
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: I like that idea, yeah, because I think that you know,

845
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: the cuts are gonna come on Saturday, and Lance and

846
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I are not here Friday. We'd like to give you

847
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: our fifty three man roster and maybe we can take

848
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: some calls and even hit Twitter with some with some

849
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: some guys like that, and um'd be interesting to compare

850
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: to two and what we think, you know, especially especially

851
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: coming out of the UH. Although you know, we have

852
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: questions going into the game on Thursday night, so our

853
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: roster UH conversation Thursday Big Blue kickoff before the game

854
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: will be interesting because to the last game. But you know,

855
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: I don't sense necessarily major changes, but I think it's

856
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: a valid conversation. I think what we're gonna look at

857
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: is we're gonna look at a couple of things. We're

858
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna look at how many each position the Giants will carry,

859
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: and we'll look at it last year's and go down

860
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: and say, okay, last year they kept nine offensive lineman,

861
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: they kept tending defensive lineman. You know this, and um,

862
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback position will be interesting if it's going to

863
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: be three or two. The wide receiver position will be

864
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: interesting if it's six or seven. UM, the linebacker will

865
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: be There'll be a lot of linebackers because you know

866
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: the three or four defense, you gotta have a lot

867
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 1: of linebackers. Um, the defensive tackles and you know those

868
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: guys I you know, I don't know how many you're

869
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna keep it them, but we'll probably just put You

870
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: gotta put the defensive line together and the outside lambackers.

871
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes you like to put them together. But so we'll

872
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: see what happens. You know, offensive line is another one.

873
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: Do they keep they gotta keep eight? Do they keep nine?

874
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Running back? Running running back to another one.

875
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean running back could be at the tight end.

876
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: So it's a it would be a fun day for Thursday.

877
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: So if anybody that's around Thursday wants to call in

878
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: after we're done talking about it, that would be a

879
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: good discussion. Period will do that on Thursday. Here's another guy,

880
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: by the way, that we haven't talked much about that

881
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: I think is worthy of keeping an eye on in

882
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: this last preseason game at the linebacker positions, specifically the

883
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: interior is Josiah to Afa. And I know his name

884
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: has been pronounced seventy five different ways, so I don't

885
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: even know if that's correct, but I'm just gonna throw

886
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: out that pronunciation. I've also heard it twa Effa, but

887
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: I believe it's to Afa. Once again, I apologize as

888
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: if I am butchering his name, but he's somebody that's

889
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: been active, Jeff. And here's the reason why I throw

890
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: out a guy like him. We tend to get caught

891
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: up in the household names, the names were used to

892
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: and then every year, Jeff, we get to the final

893
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: fifty three and you hear about a Kerry Win making

894
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: the roster. And it's not because Kerry Win had an

895
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: unbelievable performance in a preseason game, but it's because of

896
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: what he did in practice. Every day. So that's why

897
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: a player like that should not be overlooked and any

898
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: of these other undrafted guys c. J. Conrad correct that.

899
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: That to me is somebody that I'm not saying he's

900
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: guaranteed to make the fifty three, but just don't put

901
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 1: him to the side automatically when you're factoring in the linebackers,

902
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: because he has been around the football and he has

903
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: been an active player. But the question is at the

904
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: interior linebacker position, Jeff. And when you were throwing out

905
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: how many linebackers do they choose to keep. Remember in

906
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: today's NFL, with having three wide receivers on the field,

907
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: more often than not, you usually go with the extra

908
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: defensive back. Do you see value in a team when

909
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: it comes to the fifty three and keeping extra interior

910
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: linebackers if an all likelihood you're gonna take him off

911
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: the field on passing down. So that to me is

912
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: another part of the equation when you determine how many

913
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: linebackers you bring into the fold. So those are things

914
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: to keep close tabs on. All right, let's head back

915
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: to the phone lines. Sean is in California. He joins

916
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: us here on Tuesday's edition a big Blue Kickoff Live.

917
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: What's happened to Sean? Sean going once? Sean going twice?

918
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: Sean is a man of very few words. Okay, let's

919
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: see if Scott in New Mexico is a little bit

920
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: more talkative than Sean Scott. What's happening he usually is? Indeed,

921
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: here we go. Definitely no hesitation on Scott's park. Yes,

922
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: and uh, first, good afternoon to you guys. I wanted

923
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: to ask questions. Yes, there was listening to Pat Hermer's

924
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: press conference and he I guess they claimed a punter.

925
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with the names yet. Johnny Townsend Townsend

926
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: from the Oakland Raider. Yeah, right? And with Riley Dixon,

927
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: is there anything that would necessitate bringing in the punter?

928
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: Because how do you make an assessment as to who

929
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: the punter should be in ten days? And I looked

930
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: at Riley Dixon's performance and he's actually pretty much top notch.

931
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: I mean that average was pretty good, and uh, you know,

932
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: people of returning kicks was fairly low. So I was

933
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: wondering what, uh we were in a production meeting a

934
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago and some and one of our

935
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: guys asked him the question about that. It just it

936
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: just happened that they claimed him, and he said, don't

937
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: don't read into it for anything. It's this matter if

938
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: we were basically, you know, upgrading the backup position if

939
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: you will, for competition wise, they thought that they saw

940
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: enough of Ryan Anderson. I will tell you that you know,

941
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: you don't want if it's not broke, don't fix it, right.

942
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: So I think that not only the punting position, but

943
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: you also have to look at the place holding position

944
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: that Riley Dixon held for a Pro Bowl puncher last year.

945
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do. It's compromised that also,

946
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: and Riley Dixon is a very good holder. And I

947
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: just think it just goes with every other position. You're

948
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: trying to find somebody in here to come and compete

949
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: and makes the other guy better. That's what that was

950
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: all about. Okay, only question. I know a lance you're

951
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: a fan of Michael Thomas as I am. Uh, he's

952
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: a great special teams player. But if they use him

953
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: more at safety, Uh, does that diminish his role? Does

954
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: he take on that responsibility of you know, being a

955
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: good special teams as well as obviously helping out in

956
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: the secondary I was just curious how they worked out

957
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: or do they they don't care about over taxing players, etcetera, etcetera.

958
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out how they're going to

959
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: utilize them. I mean, I think you always monitor reps

960
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: for a player, but I always bring up Antonio Brown

961
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: when he was with the Steelers. I mean, we don't

962
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: know how the Raiders are going to utilize him. Mike

963
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Tomlin never hesitated and having him out there for returns,

964
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: and think about how much snaps he played as a

965
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver. You look at Jabrill Peppers, Peppers was used

966
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: by Cleveland as a defensive player, a return guy. I

967
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: don't think it changes the equation at all. And last

968
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: year Michael Thomas played a lot on defense, So you know,

969
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: I think last year is your perfect example where you've

970
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: actually have factual information where they involved him more in

971
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: defense because you had Curtis Riley and then he was

972
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: phased out Jeff and they started using Michael Thomas more.

973
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: He was also utilized as a slack corner. So I

974
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: would not worry Scott if he once again takes on

975
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: a heavy role in defense that they're gonna now remove

976
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: him from the special teams, mix guys, multitest. That's what

977
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 1: they are expected to do when you make a roster

978
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: like that. Okay, and my last question is about the

979
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 1: linebacker corps. Uh, there's been a lot of talk about

980
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: Ryan Connelly and well the goods is going to make

981
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: the team this year. I know you talked about a

982
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: little bit early in the broadcast. Realistically, do you know

983
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 1: how many linebackers they're going to keep? And if because

984
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: they started the way they played their defense, guys can

985
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: go in and out depending upon coverage as how they

986
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: utilize their linebackers. But then't say so do you do

987
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: you have an idea and you think don't carry X

988
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: number of linebackers, I'll take yours off. You got this,

989
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: got appreciate the phone call, JF. Do you want to

990
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: make it clear again? Ten? Ten? Because I remember we're

991
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: talking about the outside linebackers. Okay, two and two backups.

992
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: That's that's four, right, the interior you got that's eight

993
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: backup back up. And I think that you keep one

994
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: extra guy on the outside or maybe two one two

995
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,439
Speaker 1: extra guys on the outside or something between. It's gonna

996
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: be nine or ten. Well, I'm looking up last year's

997
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: fifty three announcement because I want to preface announcement because

998
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: then remember things three man roster. Don't don't confuse it

999
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: the word announcement, correct announcement, No, because then we're gonna

1000
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: explain what happened. Once they made six waiver claims, so

1001
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: they kept nine when they announced the fifty three. They

1002
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: kept five outside linebackers Connor Barwin Lorenzo called a Kareem

1003
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: Martin Romeo Kwara, Olivia Vernon, and they kept four on

1004
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: the interior, Ray Armstrong to Davis, B. J. Goodson, Alkgo.

1005
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: That was when the fifty three was announced. So this

1006
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: is at this time last year, on the Saturday when

1007
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: the announced. Just to give you the timeline, Okay, then

1008
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: they made six waiver claims. Now the six waiver claims

1009
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: in terms of whether or not they brought in a linebacker,

1010
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: I'm just looking over the list. They did not bring

1011
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: in a linebacker because Mario Edwards is a defensive lineman,

1012
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: so it didn't change. They kept nine. Now, granted they

1013
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: made transactions over the course of the season when guys

1014
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: were hurt. But if you want to look at year one,

1015
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: James Betcher's defense, because the defensive coordinat has to change

1016
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: nine guys. So I'm with you, Jeff, though, if you

1017
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: were to ask me, I make a case for nine

1018
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: or ten right now to make the fifty three. I

1019
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be that different from and I'm

1020
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go with ten because I feel

1021
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: like you've got a couple of guys here that can

1022
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: play some good special teams um, And that's just where

1023
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm going. I mean, Stupar is a good special teams guy.

1024
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: He's not a starter at a linebacker position, but he's

1025
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: a backup that can can get you in a pinch.

1026
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: But he's definitely you know, then you got Connolly. Okay,

1027
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: so you can take the two special teams guys out

1028
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: of there, and now you take the starters and plus

1029
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: the backups there. You know, he got the X Man,

1030
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: you got Kareem Martin, You've got Zoe carter Um, You've

1031
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: got Marcus Golden. Alright, so one, four or five six,

1032
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: that's eight right there. Who your other two guys you

1033
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: can go through here and look at them. I mean

1034
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 1: they got alec Olga Tree. Those are the starters I forgot.

1035
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, just that's my guest. I think it's ten.

1036
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: It could probably be nine. Who knows what dot you

1037
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: know Thursday? Yes, well, well, certainly let you know Thursday

1038
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: and the teaser boy, Jeff, you're full of teasers program.

1039
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: I looked up Michael Thomas Who's breakdown from last year's

1040
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: snap count. Wise, he played seventy percent of the special

1041
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: team snaps and he played about fifty on defense. Okay, well, yeah, no,

1042
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I just brought it up because it

1043
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: was a question that Scott posed in fifty percent of

1044
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: snaps on defense, I bet you if I looked up

1045
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: over the course of Michael Thomas's career, I'd probably say

1046
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: that's near about a career high for him. On defense.

1047
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: It's definitely a career high for him because he was

1048
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: mainly a special teams player. And I'll look up the Dolphins.

1049
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: I almost I would say that I feel good saying

1050
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: that that's as high. But you know, once again one

1051
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: year or no, because he wasn't with the Saints when

1052
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: he was there, I know, I think that's probably I

1053
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: think that's yeah. I mean, I'm looking up once again

1054
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins snap count because that was where he

1055
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: was the previous year, and let's look up Michael Thomas

1056
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: was no, Michael Thomas was never with the Saints. He

1057
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: was with the Niners. Practice. So Michael Michael Thomas, like,

1058
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: you want to talk about disparity, Jeff Okay, two thousand seventeen,

1059
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: the year before he came to the Giants. Okay, this

1060
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: is not five years prior. He played four percent of

1061
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: the defensive snaps with the Dolphins and two thousands of

1062
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: a team that went up to about fifty percent, to

1063
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 1: be exact, with the Giants. So that goes to Joey,

1064
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: and you know what, to be clearer, let's go back

1065
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: a year two thousand sixteen, just to see if that

1066
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: you're working necessarily year with the Dolphins. Let's see what

1067
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: did he do on defense? Okay, actually, you know what

1068
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, now I'd be curious to see

1069
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: what type of injuries the Dolphins suffered. Two thousand sixteen,

1070
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: he played just about what he did with the Giants

1071
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: this past year, played just under and then he played

1072
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: seventy nine on special teams. So once again that's why

1073
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: we look these things up. And then in two thousand fifteen,

1074
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: I want to see Michael Thomas was on the Dolphins

1075
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, he played just over sixty percent, So

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00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: actually two thousand seventeen was somewhat of an outlier if

1077
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: you look up his defensive snap So that's what I said,

1078
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: he's balanced special teams in defense. Of course it was Curer.

1079
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: There's no reason to doubt that he can't do it

1080
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: again with the Giants. There you go. Let's head talk

1081
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: to the phone lines, well, the beauty of the internet

1082
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of things. Joe is in

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00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: South Plainfield. Joe, Welcome to Big Blue Kickoff Life. What

1084
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: do you have for us? All right? Joey? You guys?

1085
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: How you doing good? Right? Joe? What's happening? I want

1086
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: to talk about C. J. Conrad Um throughout camp he

1087
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: started well and then he just kind of trailed off

1088
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: and hasn't flashed much in the preseason games. And how

1089
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: many tight ends do you think we're gonna keep? Is

1090
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: it three or four? And does he still have a

1091
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: good chance of making this roster? And also just think

1092
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: it's an adjustment period, you know, to the NFL and

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00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: his chances of making this squad, because I think he could,

1094
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: you know, do quite well for us, you know, even

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00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: as a backup forbid an injury. Well, I think that

1096
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: he's making the team. The coaching staff is very high

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00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: on c J. Conrad from you know, the conversations that

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00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: we've heard, from what Pat Shermer has said in press conferences,

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00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: I know they think very highly of him. They like

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00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: his work ethic. Uh. When Pat Shermer was asked initially

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00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 1: about c J. Conrad, first thing he said was, you

1102
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: don't hear this very often, Jeff, about a young tight end.

1103
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: He's a better blocker at this point than he is

1104
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: in terms of running routes. So you know, that just

1105
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: goes to show you how much ahead of the curvey

1106
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: is that he's comfortable sacrificing his body and getting up

1107
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: and doing the dirty work in the trenches. To answer

1108
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: you a question about the number of tight ends, I

1109
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: would expect them to keep four. That would be my guests.

1110
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: I think Evan Ingram and Red Ellison are as close

1111
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: to locks as you're gonna find. And then it becomes

1112
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: Scott Simonson who was on the team last year, Garrett Dickerson,

1113
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: and c J. Conrad, So three guys battling for two spots. Jeff. Now,

1114
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: last year they kept four Darrell Adams, though, was on

1115
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: the announcement of the fifty three and then was waived

1116
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: when they made those six claims, So they initially start

1117
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 1: off with the idea of four. That's why I could

1118
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: see them keeping four again. So the question for the

1119
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Giants this goes back to if we pass somebody through waivers, Jeff,

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00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: what's the chances of them getting onto the practice squad.

1121
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: A guy like Garett Dickerson, who remember was on the

1122
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: practice squad last year, worked his way up at the

1123
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: tail in the last season. Conrad would clearly be eligible

1124
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: for the practice squad. Has he been noticed enough on

1125
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: film by other teams that they would grab him? You know?

1126
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: That to me is hard to say. I do think

1127
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: they're high on CJ. Conrad, and I would probably, Jeff,

1128
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: if you were to ask me, I would give Conrad

1129
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: an edge over Dickerson right now. If you were to

1130
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: ask me right now and they had to put the

1131
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: fifty three together, that would be my gut feeling that

1132
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: he's slightly over Dickerson. But I thought Dickerson did a

1133
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: nice job in the preseason game the other night, and

1134
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: I think he's flashed in practice too. He also wanted

1135
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: to know he also with the team last year, and

1136
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: so and so was Scott Simonson. So I'm gonna put

1137
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: it this way. I got Allison Ingram and Conrad making

1138
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: the team, Okay, okay, and then I think it's up

1139
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: between Dickerson and Simonson. So you see that battle. Yeah,

1140
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you who on Thursday. That's a fair answer.

1141
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: But I do think that there is intrigue surrounding both

1142
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: young guys and Conrad and Dickerson. Would you at least

1143
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: agree with that that questions upside there? I think the

1144
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: progress both of those guys made should not be overlooked.

1145
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: So you know, they making it tough on the Giants

1146
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: coaching staff if they do want to keep four weighing

1147
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: the pros of having a veteran like Scott Simons and

1148
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: on the roster who's a good blocker fifth year guy

1149
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: versus some of these other guys. He's a fifth year guy. Um.

1150
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like you have more of

1151
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: an upside to a Garrett Dickerson and Conrad because they're

1152
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: young and I think they've shown you everything that they've

1153
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: you wanted to see out of that position, you don

1154
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 1: want to catch the football. And again they drop some

1155
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: passes in the game, but remember they're practicing all week.

1156
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: It's not just And the other thing is is that

1157
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: I think that Dickerson and Conrad are really they're they're

1158
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: better blockers. Okay, Simonson is a pretty good blocker. But

1159
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: I just think the upside is youth, okay, and what

1160
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: they have shown in training camp, and that that those

1161
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: two things there who are going to help them make

1162
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: the team. I think I know who's gonna make the team.

1163
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: But well, you don't want to give it away. Not

1164
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: that anybody's not. Anybody's gonna set there along for me

1165
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: to hear this on Thursday, but you don't want to

1166
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: give up. This is something else to note. He didn't

1167
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: play a lot of snaps in the last preseason game.

1168
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Conrad and I'm just part of these wondering, Jeff, if

1169
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: there's a big reason behind not playing you much, Well,

1170
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: there could be. There's two schools of thought there. The

1171
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: one is you stink you're not playing anymore. That's true. Second,

1172
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: we don't want to put you on film anymore. And

1173
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: that's where I'm leading, Okay, But I was just wondering

1174
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: which one you're talking. I was leaning towards the ladder

1175
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: versus the former. And then the other part is, Jeff,

1176
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 1: we've seen enough or we like what we're seeing out

1177
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: of practice to evaluate you. That that's also another reason

1178
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: why we don't think we need to expose you in

1179
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: a preseason game. Just something to take it to consideration

1180
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: when you're monitoring all of this stuff. And I do

1181
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: know for a fact that this is what coaches talk about.

1182
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: And it is true that sometimes they hide these players

1183
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: from not playing, and the and the public thinks they

1184
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: why didn't he play? He must be stinking it up

1185
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: at practice. You're not at practice. And then or two,

1186
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: if you don't see the guy, you can't evaluate him

1187
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: exactly because unless you got the tape, which you so

1188
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: you know that's that's really kind of what you do.

1189
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: And and sometimes you know, there's guys around the league

1190
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: that that I've seen in camp before where um, you

1191
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: know they're they're not listed as a specialist like a

1192
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: like a long snapper. And there's guys in the team

1193
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: that are better long snappers than the guy that's the

1194
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: backup long snapper in camp. And there would never put

1195
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: a guy into the game to make him long snap,

1196
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: just because he can do it, because nobody they wouldn't

1197
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: want to show the other team that he could do that.

1198
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,799
Speaker 1: So they'll cut the backup long snapper and then they'll

1199
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: keep this other guy because now they have a legitimate

1200
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: backup long snapper that nobody knew about. Right, So that's

1201
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: just secrets to the trade, and it's just it's just

1202
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: being smart like everybody else does. I mean, this is

1203
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: a this is a pretty clever business that this this

1204
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: National Football League is in and they're always trying to

1205
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: hide things from each other. And that's just the way

1206
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 1: you do it. Pull a fast one. There's no question

1207
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: history of doing that, Joe, Hope that answers your question

1208
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: with respect to what you were hinting at. I'll give

1209
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: you a prime example of trying to hide somebody and

1210
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 1: it didn't work. And appreciate the focal Joe, thanks so much.

1211
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: Awayting And a lot of people don't know the road

1212
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: for Aldrick Rosas how he got here. But that was

1213
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: a classic case of they were they were. They did

1214
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: not want to cut him because they wanted to put

1215
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad. And you know the other kicker,

1216
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name, was he pretty much wanted to.

1217
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: They were at any moment going to replace the kicker

1218
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: that was on the Titans, and they had to cut him.

1219
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: They had to cut him, and they knew something was

1220
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: going to happen, and they ended up the Giants ended

1221
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: up working them out and picking them up. So I mean,

1222
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's how things happened. They just you're worried

1223
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, Well, that's why we bring this up

1224
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: in the conversation because to think that they don't go

1225
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: around the table and say, if we get rid of

1226
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: a guy, does he passed through waivers? You have to

1227
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: think like that at least need to give that some thought.

1228
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: Let's head back to the lines. Brian is in north Bergen. Brian,

1229
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: welcome aboard to Big Blue Kick Off Live. What do

1230
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: you got for us? Brian going once, Brian going twice.

1231
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: But we got very non talkative individuals. The whole point,

1232
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,479
Speaker 1: ladies and gentleman is when you call in to talk,

1233
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: what we go to you not to hide and try

1234
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: to go language or we're not good at miming in

1235
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: terms of our communication. Just in case you were thinking,

1236
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: yes we do. We're not gonna bite, at least in

1237
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: the early stages of the phone call. So let's go

1238
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: to Twitter for perhaps some more logic and rationale, and

1239
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: some people are a little bit more talkative there A. J.

1240
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: Marshall at A J. Marshall. Three Giants were active during

1241
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: the waiver wire last season signed six players. Do you

1242
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: think they will sign as many this season? What we've

1243
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: pretty much talked about that earlier and our answer is

1244
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: be very surprised if they go that far. J. Marshall.

1245
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 1: I gave it the over under a two and a half.

1246
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: There you go, and one or two claims not crazy.

1247
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: Six I think is a bit of a stretch because

1248
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: this is now a second full year in which the

1249
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Giants have turned the roster over. Okay, this is a

1250
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: general NFL question from Anson at Anson windyst. Do NFL

1251
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 1: teams scout, out and draft excellent college special teamers such

1252
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: as gunners, returners, etcetera? Um that yes and no, Okay,

1253
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: so they will draft for example, UM, let's see, let's

1254
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: give you um a wide receiver, Okay, who like a

1255
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: Darius Slatan, a guy that's, you know, not a first

1256
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: round draft pick receiver, but has tangibles. There's certain there's

1257
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: certain parameters and intangibles that guys have to have to

1258
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: play certain positions. Their wide receiver is a classic gunner.

1259
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: So if they see the guy that can get off

1260
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: of press coverage in in in a offense, they know

1261
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: they can probably get off a press coverage and being

1262
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: a gunner on a special teams right. So that's why

1263
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: that's why you that's why you see ride receivers out

1264
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: of those positions because they're used to that getting jammed

1265
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. So most of the time,

1266
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: the answer is no, they're not gonna go draft a

1267
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: special teams per se ace. They're not gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: They just won't do it. I mean, he's got to

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Speaker 1: be able to play another position, yeah, Because I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to get bang for your back, no

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Speaker 1: questioning on maximize your roster. You're not gonna have a

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Speaker 1: guy in so he could just you know, be the

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Speaker 1: gunner for But I guess my my answer to you

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Speaker 1: is that if you say, why did they draft this

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Speaker 1: guy in the sixth round, Um wouldn't have been a

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Speaker 1: free agent. I mean bikes the sixth round. That's probably

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Speaker 1: why they drafted him because he has he probably has

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Speaker 1: some good intangibles on special teams that he can bring

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Speaker 1: to the table. Okay, then, but they probably saw him

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Speaker 1: play special teams in college and said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: let's draft this guy. He's a decent receiver, but he's

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Speaker 1: even a better special teams guy. I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Here's one other tweet from at movie Underscore Mikey with

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. I think keeping Kyle as the third QB

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Speaker 1: is best for next season. If Eli leaves, Jones is

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Speaker 1: number one, having Kyle is number two is a perfect scenario.

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Speaker 1: He's cheap, already knows the system in an emerging see

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Speaker 1: And that's why I responded earlier in the show, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: when I think it was Rick and Tampa called up

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Speaker 1: initially and said, you know, it's a no brainer to

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Speaker 1: keep too. I said, well, remember Dave Gentleman drafted Kyle Aletta.

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Speaker 1: And you don't necessarily see a general manager. You don't

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Speaker 1: see a general manager part ways with somebody who they

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: saw potential in so soon after the draft. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think that whether it makes

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Speaker 1: the roster, they do everything they can to get it

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Speaker 1: back on the practice squad, that yes, they see value

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Speaker 1: to the Tweeter's point to have him still within the

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Speaker 1: organization because of his knowledge that there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And that was my whole point about, well, Alex Hanny

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Speaker 1: beyond the roster. You know, it's it's kind of hard

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Speaker 1: to say, but I waited there. It's going it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem that way. But and he did sign a two

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Speaker 1: year contract, which I know a lot of people are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: if you signed a two year contract, it doesn't really

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Speaker 1: mean much of anything, as you do well, Jeff, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's more about the guaranteed money. It's not the length

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Speaker 1: of the contract, which I don't know what I've looked

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Speaker 1: at it. I don't think it's a huge sacrifice in

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Speaker 1: terms of the dead money or anything if you did

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Speaker 1: part ways with him. All right, let's head back to

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Speaker 1: the phone lines before we close up shop, even though

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Speaker 1: I'm calling for closing up shop right now, but we'll

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Speaker 1: make time because we're nice today. For Charlie in Portland, Maine.

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Speaker 1: What's happened to Charlie? Hey, hey, hey, they the thing

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Speaker 1: is with Conrad. They're not hiding him. The only reason

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01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: they had hided him if they were trying to sneak

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Speaker 1: him on the practice squad. If you think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the fifty three, there's no need to hide him. Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't know which one it is. It could be

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Speaker 1: hide him on the practice squad too, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you don't want him to get claimed. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: the thing is, you think everyone's stupid. You know, these

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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 1: keep these players and these gms out there don't know

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Speaker 1: the Giants are hot on this guy. Well, no, we

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody stupid. Well, first of all, Charlie, keep

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Speaker 1: in mind, everybody had an opportunity to sign c. J.

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Speaker 1: Conrad is an undrafted free agent. Remember, the Giants didn't

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Speaker 1: draft him. So if you're claiming that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are high on him, then they could have blown

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Speaker 1: him away with an offer and brought him into camp.

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Speaker 1: They might be high on him now because as they

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Speaker 1: know that we're high on them, and how do they

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Speaker 1: know next door probably already know about this kid. So

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Speaker 1: the Jets you're saying are high on CJ. Conrad because

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Speaker 1: they're sneaking on the Giants, sneaking up on them. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny you mentioned that, Charlie, because when I was

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Speaker 1: out of practice today, there were about five guys in

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Speaker 1: green jackets trying to jump over the fence. So now

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Speaker 1: it all makes andre present sense. Charlie, boy, you really

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01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: bring things together, the dots you connect. If you weren't

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Speaker 1: calling in on a daily basis, I don't know where

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01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: we'd all be. We'd all be lost. What are the unbelievable?

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: So so that was that blew me away. What's be

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Speaker 1: on the on the agenda today? That that really is

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01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: going to settle things to write a book, And I've

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Speaker 1: got the title for you. Down, Down and Out, Jeff Feagles,

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Speaker 1: Downtown inside the tent. You know that's what you did.

1349
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: Down four town, out of bounds, inside the twenty you

1350
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: were the best in the history of the NFL. And

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01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: down and Out. That will catch people like, oh man,

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01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: this guy must have had a rough life. You can

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01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: tell all your story. I love it. I'm sure it

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: would make millions and millions and millions of dollars. Set

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Speaker 1: up the meeting with the publisher, Charlie, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for I appreciate it. I know you'd yeah, because I

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Speaker 1: can't think of anybody else at the top of Jeff's

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Speaker 1: list that Charlie Afortily made to write the foward Okay,

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Speaker 1: what other thing, Well, you're batting a thousand, So I

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01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: think goods and should make the team because he would

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Speaker 1: be a good backup. Since he started last year and

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Speaker 1: he played in fifteen games. It's better than subpar, that's

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Speaker 1: what now, I'm sure. So he would be a great

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Speaker 1: backup even if he doesn't start, so they should keep

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Speaker 1: him on the team. He has experienced four so okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean listen at that inside position. You'd think they

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01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: would keep four linebackers, right, two backups and two starters.

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Speaker 1: So maybe he's in that mix. Who knows. That's gonna

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Speaker 1: be an interesting to one. I see your point. And

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Speaker 1: a guy does play special teams, so you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, he could be a solid core special teams

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Speaker 1: player and a good backup in a pinch. Ye. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is also the Odell Crystal still happening

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01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: that we had gone down. Now Wesley's gone down and

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: we had about six of them. It's ridiculous, that's right. Well, well, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's time for you to put the voodoo doll down.

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you should look into arrows, pins and yeah,

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01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I know you have a lot

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: of time on your hands, but maybe move on to

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Speaker 1: a new activity. Just a thought, just a thought, Yes, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate the phone call. Wow boy, we think we

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Speaker 1: covered everything on that phone call. Curses the Jets sneaking

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01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: over fences to view what the Giants are doing a practice.

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how to regroup and recover. Everybody knows

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,919
Speaker 1: about Yes, everyone knows about him. Yeah, nobody knew about

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: your good point. Nobody knew about him four weeks ago

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Speaker 1: or six months ago? Yeah, months ago when remember undrafted

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01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: free ages you, Well, now anybody could sign them. There's

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 1: no restriction. That was April. Yeah, so if somebody was

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: very high on him, they could have outright signed him

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Speaker 1: and the Giants would have never even had a shot.

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Speaker 1: With that being said, that is going to wrap up

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Speaker 1: the latest edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live, so we'll

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Speaker 1: be back up and running again tomorrow at one p m.

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Speaker 1: Easter continue to set the stage for the final preseason game,

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Speaker 1: and as Jeff mentioned on Thursday's program, will break down

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Speaker 1: our fifty three and we want to hear from you

1398
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: in terms of who you think is going to make

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Speaker 1: the final fifty three man roster, where maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the toughest decisions are gonna come, so stay tuned for

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01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: that over the next two days. A reminder it is

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Speaker 1: all presented by cores Light. We appreciate everybody for tuning

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Speaker 1: in for Jeff Feagles. I'm Lance Meadow. Enjoy the rest

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Speaker 1: of your Tuesday and always stay locked to giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: Have a good one