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Speaker 1: be twenty one or older, gentlemen. It took Michael Lorenzen

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Speaker 1: no hitter in Phillies' history. It wasn't quite. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: It was like more emotional in borderline forma, especially with

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Speaker 4: And think about Michael Lorenzen. You can think about him

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Speaker 1: And just to wrap up on that too, I think

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Speaker 1: Already all ready for this? Don no, no, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's get into it. Question number one, which true rentals

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Speaker 1: Asked by at J underscore Munchals on Twitter. He also

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Speaker 1: He answered his own question. He answered his own question,

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Speaker 5: So I have a question first, sorry Jack, what do

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Speaker 1: I think whoever is a free agent next year? Like

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Speaker 4: Traded, but Bellinger wasn't traded, and that I think is

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Speaker 4: the answer to the question. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: So like good point, I would say, like the best,

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Speaker 4: So if we're talking strictly guys that were traded, I

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Speaker 1: I agree, Well, Lucas Gilito could be considered another guy.

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Speaker 1: mean knowing Lucas Giolito, if you're a GM I already

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Speaker 4: So multi stops it.

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Speaker 1: Two for me?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think I give him a two year deal.

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Speaker 4: But if Lucas Giolito goes into free agency and says

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Speaker 1: But here's my issue. Here's my issue. Just real quick

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Speaker 1: Owne got a four year deal, but James won great

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Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, but Lucas Gilito over his full season

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Speaker 1: this year has been pretty damn solid, right. I know

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Speaker 4: It's a pretty fair comparison. But here's the thing. Let

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Speaker 1: Well, he has been very good in his last like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. I do wonder if this, like so

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Speaker 5: many of these free agent signings went poorly, especially on

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Speaker 5: I think the way that he has pitched this year,

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Speaker 5: him in that conversation yesterday, Peter, because like now we

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Speaker 5: he's getting better. He was a three eight three and

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Speaker 5: and I think a lot of teams, you know, everyone

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Speaker 5: I want to pal it? Maybe I'm more willing to

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. I think Jamnt among all rentals, right,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get a four year deal. I

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Speaker 1: really do. I know it's I know it's crazy. I

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Speaker 1: Lucas Giolito is a thirty six year old lanceln Right,

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Speaker 1: four years for sixty jack talk about inflation. He might

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Speaker 5: Team Stephen Mattz. Steven Mattz got four years forty. He's

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Speaker 5: Cardinals keep Stephen Matts four years forty four. Why can't

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Speaker 1: But to Peter's point, like I someone might, someone will,

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Speaker 1: one might, but what will.

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Speaker 5: It depends on what he wants. Maybe he wants higher

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Speaker 4: Yeah, fast forward to December.

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Speaker 1: and aj Preller gives Lucas Gielito four years for sixty

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Speaker 4: Okay, are what's what's the question?

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Speaker 1: Just let that it's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: But like is that that that doesn't sound that shocking.

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Speaker 1: and I think he might.

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Speaker 4: Here's my thing, man, like, I wouldn't do it. Gilito

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd rather pay yah Yashiobo y Yamamoto.

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Speaker 4: I know a team's gonna do it, like, Hey, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: Here's another guy I want to float mult to your

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 1: I know you guys are going to say no. Jack Flair,

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Speaker 5: bit more. No way, I'm giving him four five years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Lynn's gonna get I think Lynn is gonna get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, all right? Question number two or is

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Speaker 5: Ah? Trying to think. I definitely think Jaymon's gonna get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your deal is very palatable.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking across like, I don't think anybody out there

433
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Speaker 5: really made a huge, huge adjustment. Has Fuji been throwing

434
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Speaker 5: as well over the last couple or is he kind

435
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Speaker 5: of come down to earth?

436
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Speaker 1: So just I think we know what he is now.

437
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Speaker 5: I got one for you. What is Chapman going to

438
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Speaker 5: get on the open market?

439
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Speaker 4: And I think Chapman gets a multi year deal.

440
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Speaker 5: And an expensive one. I think he gets a ken

441
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Speaker 5: Ley Janson type contract.

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right.

443
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Speaker 5: Was it twenty AAV for like two years?

444
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

445
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Speaker 1: Oh, if someone's gonna do the Yankees, though, he might chuck.

446
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Speaker 1: I mean, dude, he's been nasty. Yeah, I think he

447
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Speaker 1: gets that Kenley deal. I agree to you.

448
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Speaker 4: By the way, nine and the third innings of Baltimore

449
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Speaker 4: eight walks, eleven punties, four hits like.

450
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Speaker 1: He just brought electric. He walks the world of electric

451
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Speaker 1: all right. Question number two, still on the Oriole side,

452
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Speaker 1: do you see the Orioles being the team to beat

453
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Speaker 1: in the Alias for the next five to ten years

454
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Speaker 1: or are they just playing it their one hundredth percentile

455
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Speaker 1: right now and everything is going right for them? Asked

456
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Speaker 1: by at Big Nate two to one four four on Twitter.

457
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Speaker 1: Arm I'll throw that one over to you first.

458
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. I honestly, I think they're

459
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Speaker 5: playing given the roster construction right now. I do think

460
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 5: they're playing close to the top of their ability, But

461
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Speaker 5: I also don't really see that slowing down anytime soon.

462
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Speaker 5: You look at their core offensively, it's young. A lot

463
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Speaker 5: of their guys are getting better as they get more

464
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Speaker 5: at bats. I mean, you look at what Gunner's starting

465
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Speaker 5: to do. You look at what Yeah, even Mountcastle settled

466
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Speaker 5: in even more. But Adleie is always going to just

467
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Speaker 5: get better and better and better. Austin Hayes has turned

468
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Speaker 5: into this like almost star at points, I mean, and

469
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Speaker 5: then they've got all the other young guys that are

470
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Speaker 5: coming in that I think are going to really buy

471
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Speaker 5: them that consistency because if someone is not performing, you

472
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Speaker 5: have other guys that you can call up and plug in,

473
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Speaker 5: or you can use those guys eventually if they ever

474
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Speaker 5: do it as trade assets down the line, if things

475
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Speaker 5: ever do kind of hit a snag. Grayson Rodriguez is

476
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Speaker 5: blossoming into a really solid arm and then you know,

477
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Speaker 5: they found bradish here who's turned into a pretty solid

478
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Speaker 5: arm as we talked about yesterday. And now we know

479
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Speaker 5: that they can build a bullpen like we know they

480
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Speaker 5: can do that. They don't even have Cedric Moowen's healthy

481
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Speaker 5: right now, who's been one of their best players over

482
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Speaker 5: the last few years. I don't think they're going anywhere.

483
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Speaker 5: And if I could you take somebody to have the

484
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Speaker 5: best record over the next five years, that is I

485
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Speaker 5: would probably take the Orioles. I don't think they're going

486
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Speaker 5: anywhere anytime soon.

487
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Speaker 4: Probably Baltimore, but it's really close because Tampa is such

488
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Speaker 4: a machine and Tampa, like Listen, the Orioles have the

489
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Speaker 4: best system in baseball by a wide marching, but Tampa

490
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Speaker 4: is still a top five to top ten system in

491
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Speaker 4: the game, and they're always going to be right there.

492
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Speaker 4: You think about all the arms that have gone down.

493
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Speaker 4: They're still waiting on five years of service as Shane Boss.

494
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Speaker 4: They're still you know, they've got Shane McClanahan for another

495
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Speaker 4: four years before he gets his back. Taz Bradley is

496
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Speaker 4: going to work through these kinks. Drew Rasmussen looks like

497
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Speaker 4: a great young pitcher with ample service remaining. And then

498
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Speaker 4: you go down to the farm man and you find

499
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Speaker 4: a guy like a Carson Williams and an Xavier Isaac

500
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Speaker 4: and a Curtis Meat who just got up and in

501
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Speaker 4: a slave Pacific. There's so much depth freaking everywhere for Tampa.

502
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Speaker 4: So while I think that the Orioles will have more

503
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Speaker 4: star power for the next five to ten years, you

504
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Speaker 4: can never discount the Tampa Bay Rays because they figured

505
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Speaker 4: out what works and They're gonna do it for the

506
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Speaker 4: next decade.

507
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Speaker 1: That's why I'm glad that we're talking about the Orioles today,

508
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Speaker 1: because when you look at the Orioles, it's different than

509
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Speaker 1: looking at the Minnesota Twins in the American League Central,

510
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: or the Milwaukee Brewers or Cincinnati Reds in the National

511
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Speaker 1: League Central. Because you just gave the point about the Rays.

512
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Speaker 1: But how about the Blue Jays, right, what do they

513
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Speaker 1: need right now? They need a starting pitcher in the

514
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Speaker 1: off season. There's plenty of big time starters that are

515
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Speaker 1: gonna be looking for big time deals, notably Aaron Nola,

516
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: Blake Snell, Julio Arias, guys like that. So they could

517
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Speaker 1: right the wrongs from a free agent perspective, and they've

518
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Speaker 1: done that before. And they also if you look at

519
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: their young core Bobaschett and Vladimir Garrow Junior, they're about

520
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: to enter their prime. So the Blue Jays are also

521
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna be compeding for the next five to ten years.

522
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Speaker 1: Then you look at the Red Sox, right, they've outdone

523
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: our expectations this year and they have started to build

524
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Speaker 1: a good farm. And the Yankees sucks. He won't have

525
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: to deal with them for a while, but no, but

526
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Speaker 1: we know what the Yankees will end up doing. We

527
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Speaker 1: know that the Yankees will be competing, I hope for

528
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: a long time too. So it's like the Orioles right now, right,

529
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Speaker 1: they have the best record in the American League. They

530
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Speaker 1: have been on fire this entire season, and they're only

531
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Speaker 1: a couple games up of the Rays and the Blue

532
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: Jays are right there too. Right, we're not locking the

533
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: Orioles up for a division title. And I think that's

534
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: why at the deadline, when we even got some pushback

535
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: saying that the Orioles had a pretty disappointing deadline, is

536
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: that the window is now open right now. But they're

537
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: not ten games up, right. They're not the Braves who

538
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: are ten games above the Phillies. This is still a

539
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: race to the finish. So we wish they added that

540
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: big time starting pitcher. But luckily for the Orioles, they

541
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Speaker 1: have a surplus of wealth in the minor leagues. Still,

542
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: that surplus does not have much pitching, and it does

543
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: it arm outside of Grace ro Rodriguez.

544
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's that's the thing. And but what's

545
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 5: cool and I hope that they start to try to

546
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 5: take a similar approach is look at what the Rays

547
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 5: have been able to convert, you know, with with their

548
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 5: farm system. Is like either they hold on to some

549
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 5: guys and end up playing a part in what they're doing,

550
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 5: or you flip a first base prospect for two years

551
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: of control of a starting pitcher, Like the Orioles need

552
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 5: to start to do that a little bit. And maybe

553
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 5: they're waiting to do that in the off season or

554
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 5: next year or whatever it may be. But they literally

555
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: traded a first base prospect that they drafted and not

556
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: even near day one. I think it was in the

557
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 5: fourth round and it was Menzarto selected and get two

558
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 5: years of er and Sivali there. Like that's really impressive

559
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 5: to me, Like that's something that you know, that's just

560
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 5: cashing in on assets and taking something that's you know,

561
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 5: small and almost like making it more valuable and then

562
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 5: cashing in. That's that's pretty awesome. But here's the craziest

563
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 5: thing about this whole al situation to me is like

564
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty clear cut that the Red Sox

565
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 5: and the Yankees are in the two worst and I'm

566
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 5: not saying like worst makes it sound like they're in

567
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 5: a horrible situation. I don't think that either of them

568
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 5: are in a bad situation, but relative to the Orioles,

569
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Speaker 5: Rais and Blue Jays, like it's it's pretty interesting, Like

570
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 5: I'm not used to it in my lifetime, seeing the

571
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 5: Red Sox and the Yankees being in the worst situation

572
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 5: in the American League East, Like you can't deny that, right,

573
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 5: Like that's pretty much irrefutable that those two teams are

574
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 5: the worst, are in the worst spot of the five.

575
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: But they'll still be on Sunday Night Baseball ten times

576
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: a year.

577
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 5: Every single fucking time.

578
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Speaker 1: I don't think, like when we look at the system,

579
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Speaker 1: I don't think the Blue Jays are that far out

580
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: of the spot that the Yankees and the Red Sox are.

581
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Speaker 1: I just think the Blue Jays have played better this

582
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: season well and.

583
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Speaker 5: Their team, but their teams controllable, and I think more

584
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 5: younger and more talented, like dare I say more talented,

585
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: So like that's why I like their situation better. Like

586
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 5: there's an interesting angle of like there's farm system rankings

587
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 5: and then I'd love to just ranked teams by like

588
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: talent under twenty five because that can almost because I

589
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 5: feel like to a degree, like yes, the Jays system

590
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 5: isn't good. And this is a conversation I was actually

591
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 5: having with a friend not too long ago, so I'm

592
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 5: glad you brought this up, Peter, Like, yes, the Jays

593
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: need to get better at reloading that system, but we

594
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 5: should also reward them for hitting big and converting their

595
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: top prospects into big league pieces like Bobaschet should be,

596
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: you know, considered in that conversation, Vlad Guerrero should be

597
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 5: considered in that conversation. Those were top prospects that have

598
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: graduated because they were so good they flew through the

599
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: miners and now they're, you know, legitimate big leaguers for them.

600
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 5: I think that's a big part of it. To Manoa,

601
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 5: I know he's been up and down, but that was

602
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 5: the guy that flew through the miners. So it made

603
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: the system weaker quickly. They don't reload like the Orioles

604
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 5: of the Rays, but in terms of talent under twenty

605
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 5: five rankings, the Jas would be way up there. So

606
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 5: it's an interesting conversation. But I just I can't get

607
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 5: used to the Red Sox and the Yankees having the

608
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 5: worst overall organizational situation. The Yankees farm is really good.

609
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: I love the Yankees farm, but in the Red Sox,

610
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: as you said, has gotten better. But it's just nuts

611
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 5: to me, Like this is not the Al East the

612
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: three of us grew up watching.

613
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Speaker 1: And when we talk about like farm systems, how deep

614
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: they are, sometimes you got to look at the top end.

615
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Speaker 1: Tonne like arm was saying, like the Yankees of the

616
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: Red Sox don't have a pitching prospect that can sniff

617
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: Ricky Teeman for the Toronto Blue Jays.

618
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 4: Right, Thorpe is getting but no good.

619
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Speaker 1: He's good, but he's not Ricky Teeman. He's not one

620
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: of the best pitching prospects in the entire sport. So

621
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Speaker 1: it's like the Blue Jays have a couple of these

622
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Speaker 1: top end guys that will be good bait major leaguers.

623
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Speaker 1: And like Arum, you just the top one hundred update,

624
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: it's going to be live on August fourteenth. Is there

625
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: a prospect in the Yankees or the Red Sox system

626
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 1: right now that you are as confident in as you

627
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: are in Ricky Tiedeman.

628
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Speaker 5: Yeah, like health side because health sucks with these pitchers. Nah,

629
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Speaker 5: I mean Ricky Teetuman and I think my you can

630
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 5: make the case he's a nastiest picture in the minor leagues.

631
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Speaker 5: His rehab assignment, he threw three innings and struck everybody out.

632
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: He's in terms of just sheer stuff. I think Tiedeman's

633
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 5: arguably the nastiest guy in the minors and better command

634
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 5: than Kyle Harrison, like no doubt. If he's healthy, he's

635
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 5: the frontline talent. But that's a big if. But just

636
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 5: and sheer talent. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't

637
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: think it's very close.

638
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: Any less points, jack or Should we move on to

639
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: question number three?

640
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

641
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: That was thorough, thorough all right? Question number three? Does

642
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: Josh Young have any chance at the Rookie of the

643
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Year now that he broke his thumb? And just a

644
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: little bit of context, about four or five days ago,

645
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Josh Young fractured his left thumb and it's gonna be

646
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: out six weeks. Should be back by the end of September,

647
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: middle of September. But it definitely puts a wrench in

648
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: the Rookie of the Year race for him because it

649
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: was getting down there he was the favorite. How should

650
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: we evaluate the Rookie of the Year race now? But

651
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: before first arm, do you do you think Young still

652
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: has a chance here?

653
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the first question you have asked,

654
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: I think kind of ties into this. I think he,

655
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: of course has a chance. But now instead of Gunner

656
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: Henderson racing against Josh Young, I think Gunner Henderson's kind

657
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 5: of racing against himself. Because Gunnar Henderson plays continues to

658
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 5: just play above average baseball. I think he gets it.

659
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 5: But you know, if he tapers off or hits a slump,

660
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 5: then you can justify giving it to Josh Young. Josh

661
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 5: Young's kind of like this baseline for Gunner, and Gunner's

662
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: like maybe a millimeter below that right now, and he

663
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: could either go below it or go above it. But

664
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: Josh Young's not going to move because he's stuck on

665
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 5: the il. So it's up to Gunner. And you know,

666
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: if I were betting on it, the way Gunner's been

667
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 5: playing lately, I think he's going to kind of run

668
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: away with it over the last month and a half.

669
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: I think there's another guy that could end up leap

670
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: frogging Josh Young if he has a solid month while

671
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: he's out, or a solid six weeks, and that's Yoshida.

672
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: Like I think you have to look at Gunner as

673
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 4: the favorite now and probably the runaway, but I would

674
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 4: still if I were like to guess how they finish,

675
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: I would honestly guess Gunner one, Yoshida two, Young three

676
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: because missing a month, missing six weeks right now is

677
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: a brutal time to miss it in an awards roe.

678
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: If he missed it in May and June, then I

679
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: think Young makes up for lost time. But there's just

680
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: no time to make up for lost time, if that

681
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 4: makes any sense. It's like a loss early in the

682
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 4: college football season. You've got You've got twelve weeks, right,

683
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: you got twelve games. If you lose week two, you

684
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: have a better chance at making the playoffs than you

685
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: do in week ten because you have more time to

686
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: make up for it. And it's a what have you

687
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 4: done for me lately?

688
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 5: Type that. That's why I can't That's why I can't

689
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 5: stay college football out of the time. By the way,

690
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 5: you lose like one game in your season's over. But

691
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 5: that's that's a whole different topic. I have a question

692
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: for you guys, if we were voting on this, because

693
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: Yoshida has been so damn awesome offensively, A three oh four,

694
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 5: three sixty two, four seventy seven, Like that's an all

695
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 5: star slash line. But he is a horrible defender in

696
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 5: the outfield. How much do we should we bake defense

697
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: into this conversation when we're talking about rookie of the

698
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 5: year here, because in terms of four because of the

699
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,959
Speaker 5: defense defensive side of things, I mean, we're talking about

700
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 5: Gunner Henderson literally doubling up almost Yoshida in that department.

701
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: But then you look get the offensive statistics, and Yoshida's

702
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 5: got him sixty two points in batting average, he's got

703
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 5: him beat by forty you know, in OBP, and he's

704
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: outslugging him by just a couple of ticks, striking out

705
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 5: way less. I mean, we're talking about, you know, less

706
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 5: than half the time. It's tough, It's really tough. How

707
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: much do you guys consider the defensive side of things here?

708
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 5: Because Gunner's obviously very good with the glove and Yoshida's

709
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 5: a liability.

710
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of a difference in

711
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: positional right Gunner is playing a good shortstop and third base,

712
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: while Yoshida's playing a bad corner outfielder. Like just not

713
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: only just the numbers defensively, but where they're playing in particular,

714
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: and I think if we look at the war totals

715
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: and Gunner has double the amount of war that Yoshida has,

716
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: it has to be Gunner. And if we look at

717
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: our friends at BENMGM, where they have the odds right now,

718
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make sense to talk about the National

719
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,919
Speaker 1: League because Corbyn Carroll is minus five thousand to win

720
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: the National League Rookie of the Year. And just for

721
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: context's sake, for people who don't gamble to win one

722
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, if you wanted to win one hundred dollars

723
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: right now in Corbyn Carroll to win the National League

724
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, you got to place a five

725
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollars bet. That's what they think are the odds

726
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: for Corbyn Carroll. But in the American League they're telling

727
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: us it's going to be Gunner. Gunner is minus two

728
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: twenty five, so you'd have to lay two hundred and

729
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars to win one hundred. For Yoshida, if

730
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: you put down one hundred, you would win two hundred

731
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars because he's at plus two twenty five.

732
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: I think with the young injury. It's really Gunners to

733
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: lose unless something crazy happens, and then Gunner does have

734
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: the luxury of his teams in first place. Yeah, and

735
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Yoshida's team might be in last place when it's all

736
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: said and done.

737
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: So my least favorite thing about the Rookie of the

738
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: Year and is specifically the Rookie the Year because usually MVP,

739
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 5: for a pitcher to win it, they have to have

740
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 5: such a ridiculous campaign that it becomes, you know a

741
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: little bit easier to you know, with the Verlander type

742
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: of situation. But Rookie of the Year is tough because

743
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: usually it's like you're just comparing pretty good seasons because

744
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 5: of the rookies. So I'm supposed to compare this like

745
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 5: pretty good offensive season to a pretty good pitching season.

746
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, we saw really good and

747
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 5: really good with the two Braves guys last year, and

748
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 5: I think that kind of set a new precedent because

749
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 5: Strider was so dominant and Harris still won it, you know,

750
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 5: relatively easily. But I think, like, how good does Tanner

751
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 5: but Iby have to be to get some consideration here,

752
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 5: because I think we're glowed with pitchers. Is extremely important. Well,

753
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 5: this guy's already thrown one hundred two innings is a

754
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: two nine two ERA. Some of the underlying metrics are

755
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: not as pretty, but he's got a three seven four

756
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: fifth and a three five seven XDR.

757
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 1: Who cares when we're talking about awards.

758
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 5: Like exactly, exactly exactly. So if this guy throws, so

759
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 5: he probably what gets five more starts this year? If

760
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 5: he throws one hundred and thirty one hundred and forty

761
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 5: five innings anywhere between that and has a low threes?

762
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 5: Is that not better than a one twenty WRC plus

763
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 5: and you know a three f.

764
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: Four Like to me, it is, Yeah, I think I

765
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: think it's comparable. But Ty goes to the quarterback when

766
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 4: you're voting on football awards, and Ti goes to the

767
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: hitter when you're talking baseball awards. Like that's just kind

768
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 4: of how it rocks. And you know, like you, I

769
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 4: think you make a great point because Strider last year,

770
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 4: would you have voted for Strider or Harris? I would

771
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: have voted for Strider because Strider one.

772
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 5: Broke my that one broke my brain, to be exactly.

773
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 4: But Strider. If you were to compare Strider to other pitchers.

774
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: He was a better pitcher among other pitchers than Harris

775
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: was among hitters. But Harris is playing every day, like

776
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 4: Bibby's not playing every day. Gunner's playing every day. But no,

777
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: I think Tanner Bibby is like so clearly the best

778
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 4: rookie pitcher in baseball this year. If you were to

779
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 4: look at you know, where guys finish on the totem

780
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 4: pole of voting. I don't think Abbott is going to

781
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 4: finish as high in the NL Rookie of the Year

782
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 4: conversation as Bibby's going to finish in the AL Rookie

783
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 4: of the Year conversation. The other guy is Hunter Brown,

784
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 4: but Bibby's just been way better than better.

785
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 5: And what if, what if? What if Bibby has a

786
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 5: sub three?

787
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: I still think it goes to Gunner because that beyond

788
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 4: doubt and it sucks.

789
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 5: That's the nature of the award.

790
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: I would absolutely be in on giving it to Bibby,

791
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 4: but I don't think he wins it.

792
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: If Bibby finishes with a sub three and Gunner has

793
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 5: kind of this a similar or slightly better slash line

794
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: than he has right now, and I think those are

795
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 5: chance he finishes with a much better slash line, and

796
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 5: then it's not as much of a conversation. I'm with you, Like,

797
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 5: if Gunner has a one thirty WRC plus, yeah call it.

798
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 5: You know that's that he gets it. But if he's

799
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 5: at like one one fifteen and Bibby has a sub

800
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: three with one hundred and thirty hundred and forty innings,

801
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be pretty pretty outspoken about that one because

802
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: to me, that is way harder to achieve as a rookie.

803
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 5: And I think it's you talk about importance of a

804
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 5: role too. Gunner's one cog on a lineup that you

805
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 5: know was thriving when he was struggling and I was

806
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 5: thriving as he's succeeding. And you know, he has a

807
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 5: relatively easy role compared to Bibby, who's you know.

808
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 4: Been their best pitcher over a lot of stretches.

809
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: Right, this is supposed to be a good offense or

810
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 5: a good rotation that's just been decimated by injuries and

811
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 5: other things, and and Bibby's been the guy that's been

812
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 5: holding it down for them in a lot of spots

813
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 5: and pretty much been their most trustworthy arm. Like that

814
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 5: has to go a long way too. We'll see. Obviously

815
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: there's a lot more that I have to unfold, but

816
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 5: I'm prepared to, you know, grandstand and make my Tanner

817
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 5: by the like case for the next couple of months

818
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: if I have to.

819
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 4: You just want to do that because he's a friend

820
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: of the program. No, I'm no, I'm totally with you.

821
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: I know I was giving you shit. I'm totally with you.

822
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: I think, speaking to Peter's point, it is a burden

823
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: that Cleveland is not that good, Like it's a burden

824
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: that Cleveland's going to be a sub five hundred team

825
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: and Gunner's playing on a first base team.

826
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: And also like, yeah, he's a friend of the program.

827
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: I want to sell these Gunner Henderson cards. I have

828
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 5: three bowm and chromeatos that I bought when he's in

829
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: the minors, and I have one on eBay right now.

830
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 5: If you would give the year, that's great for me.

831
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 5: I'm making probably twenty percent more money on this. But

832
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 5: I want what's right. You're an it's a sub three era,

833
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 5: not about.

834
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: The end up guy. We are forgetting about another player.

835
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,760
Speaker 1: So right now, our friends at bet MGM Gunners minus

836
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: two twenty five mastake Yoshidas plus two twenty five. Tanner

837
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Biby is plus three thousand, and so is Josh Young,

838
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: and then Hunter Brown is plus four thousand. We are

839
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: forgetting one player is plus sixteen hundred. Tristan Cassas ooh

840
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: eight sixty three ops with eighteen bombs for the Red

841
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: Sox has been one of the best hitters in baseball

842
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: post All Star Break. He keeps hitting like he's hitting

843
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: right now. He's got an outside shot too. Again, similar problem,

844
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: not to Biby because it's hit or to pitcher. But

845
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: he's on a team that most likely will not make

846
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: the playoffs. But let's say the Red Sox sneak in somehow, right,

847
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: Let's say the Blue Jays falter in the last you know,

848
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: a couple of months, and the Red Sox. I just

849
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen, because the Mariners are baseball's

850
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: hottest team right now, and the Blue Jays are still

851
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: winning baseball games right like the Blue Jays are having

852
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: this great series against the Guardians. But Tristan Cassas should

853
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: not go underrated in this discussion at all. And the

854
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: books are saying he's got the third best odds.

855
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm such a coward. I sold I sold my

856
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 5: uh I sold my trist and Costas cards early in

857
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: the year. He's like, because I had him for so long,

858
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 5: I was just like, you know, I was. I was like,

859
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna take take the profit now and go.

860
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: And I still have some. I still have some, but

861
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 5: definitely depleted my my biggest uh my biggest ones. I'll

862
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 5: say that he's been awesome. I think he has to

863
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 5: go nuclear over the next month, but he's going nuclear.

864
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 5: So if he just continues to go nuclear, he's got

865
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 5: a case. He's definitely got a case. It's been awesome

866
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 5: to see him settle in and you know, turn into

867
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: the hitter we thought he could be.

868
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: I just can't believe he has half the odds that

869
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: Bibby does. Yeah, that's crazy, crazy, right m hm that

870
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: I think that goes to show arm that no matter

871
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: what Bibby does, a hitter is winning it right because

872
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: it's either going to be Yoshidah, Cassius or Gunner and

873
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: like he could have a two nine to two. Spencer

874
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: Strider was the top five pitcher in Major League Baseball

875
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: last year, and Michael are still one. Like Jack Jack,

876
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: I think laid it out perfectly. The voters kind of

877
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: showed their hand, like, we're gonna vote for the hitter

878
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,280
Speaker 1: unless the picture is historic. And even when the picture

879
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: is historic, like Strider was, if the hitter is close,

880
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: it could vote yeah, the hitters close to it. So

881
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: I think as much as we love Tanner Bobby, I

882
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: think personally he's got no shot unless he throws a

883
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: couple of no hitters, Which is crazy to say, because

884
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: I think who has been the most valuable rookie you

885
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: could say byby.

886
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 5: Like even right now, let's just call it the rookie,

887
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 5: the rookie hitter of the year and.

888
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: Call it a day like in the NFL, Right.

889
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 5: It's the quarterback. It's a quarterback of war.

890
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: No, but even you know they they have they have

891
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: the offensive rookie of the year and the defensive rookie

892
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: of the year. Why don't we just do a picture

893
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: and a hitter too. We have m v P and

894
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: Cy Young anyway, Yeah.

895
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we already have fucking I hate the n

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Speaker 4: I didn't.

899
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Speaker 5: This is a whole week like that too. This is

900
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Speaker 5: an off season this is an off season podcast thing.

901
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 5: I didn't realize how dumb it was until I was

902
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903
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904
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905
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Speaker 5: why do they do it? Well, you know, back in

906
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907
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Speaker 5: I was like, oh my god. Yeah, So we'll talk

908
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909
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Speaker 1: Question number four is a good one out of all

947
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: the legitimate contenders this year, who's starting rotation? Do you

948
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: trust the most in the postseason. Uh huh huh. It's

949
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: a tough one, right, So we can go contender by contender.

950
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: The Astros adding Justin Verlander is certainly intriguing, but with

951
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: Christian Javier not looking like the same guy was last

952
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: year and Hunter Brown his arm's probably going to be

953
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: pretty tired at the end of the season. Yeah, it's

954
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: not them this year. Right. We look at the Texas Rangers.

955
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: Evaldi is still on the shelf, Jacob bc Grahm is

956
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 1: not coming back this season. It's not them either. Even

957
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: though I like Scherzer and I like Jorge Montgomery, I

958
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's them. I don't think it's the Orioles.

959
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: It's definitely not the Rais now with mclenahan being injured,

960
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: and it's not the Blue Jays. So in the American League,

961
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: I come to two answers. The Minnesota Twins have a

962
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: very good rotation, but the only issue is Joe Ryan,

963
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: who's going through this weird stretch and then he was

964
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: just put on the il. But I still think Pablo Lopez,

965
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: Sonny Gray, Bailey Ober, I think that's still a great three.

966
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: And then when they get him back. But these Seattle Mariners. Folks, Yeah,

967
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 1: I counted them out. I thought my futures were dead.

968
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I need over eighty seven and a half wins armed.

969
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: They need to go twenty six and twenty two the

970
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: rest of the way here, and they still love Castillo

971
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: at the front. You know. Bryce Miller has been a

972
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: great addition as a rookie. Brian Woo just went on

973
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: the al due to a forearm thing. Hopefully he's gonna

974
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: be okay. But Logan Gilbert against the oh my godres

975
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: holy shit. And then George Kirby is still a doc now,

976
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: so we'll go league by league. I think in the

977
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: American League it's between the Twins and the Mariners. I

978
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: would side with the Mariners. Yep, you guys, would you

979
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: guys prefer a different team or are you gonna decide

980
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: between those two?

981
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw the Astros out again because it's Verlander, Valdez,

982
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: Javier Hunter Brown. I feel like that four can just

983
00:47:58,480 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 4: turn it the fuck on and go.

984
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: They could. Yeah, no, you're not wrong, You're not wrong,

985
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: But I just I think there's more questions with those

986
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: bottom two guys than the Twins or the Mariners.

987
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:10,959
Speaker 5: Taff.

988
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would side with Seattle because of

989
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 4: the tandem up top, and you could expand it to

990
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 4: a trio with Kirby. But the tandem up top of

991
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 4: Castillo and Gilbert, I think he's lethal. George Kirby has

992
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: proved that he's gonna throw strikes at Will.

993
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: You got to expand it. Do you see Kirby last

994
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: year in the playoffs? He was arguably the best one

995
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: of the three.

996
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 4: Kirby was awesome, and man whoever they turned to. I

997
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 4: think if you go by committee in the fourth game, like, okay,

998
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 4: you got a healthy Bryce Miller going, you got a

999
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 4: healthy Brian Will going. How about Emerson Hancock who worked

1000
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 4: his way through traffic yesterday in his big league debut.

1001
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: There are a lot of options. So if you can

1002
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: ride Castill for six or seven, Gilbert for six or seven,

1003
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 4: Kirby for six or seven, and then piece it together

1004
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: with one of the better bullpens in baseball, come on now.

1005
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's without a doubt. So that was the

1006
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 5: thing I was going to say, is Bryce Miller in

1007
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 5: the playoffs concerns me? If you try, if you have

1008
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 5: to stretch him out, if you get four strong, we

1009
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 5: see a lot of four running starts in the playoffs,

1010
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: Like that's all they need if they're bullpens protected by

1011
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 5: the trio of just studs that we.

1012
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: Just talked about.

1013
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 5: Bryce Miller gives you four maybe five strong gets through

1014
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 5: the you know lineup once or twice, just humming fastballs,

1015
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 5: knowing that he can empty the tank on you know,

1016
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 5: a game where he does not need to go that deep.

1017
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: I think that those you're getting three and a half

1018
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 5: guys I really trust there, and I think that's pretty

1019
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 5: damn good. I don't know if you.

1020
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: Can you can piggyback Wu on time.

1021
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, if Wu was healthy, I think i'd prefer him

1022
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 5: over over Bryce Miller with the way he was throwing.

1023
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: And you know, I've always really liked Brian Wu. I

1024
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 5: think it's got to be the Seattle Mariners, but the

1025
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 5: Astros have the potential to be that because I trust Framber,

1026
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 5: as I've said on the podcast in the past, like

1027
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 5: I trust him as much as anybody in the game. Verlander,

1028
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 5: even even though he hasn't been you know, cy young Verlander,

1029
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 5: I do think he'll kick it into another gear in

1030
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 5: the playoffs. Javier is the big question. You know, he's

1031
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 5: been better he's been all right. But those are two

1032
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 5: guys that I'm hoping would be what we you know,

1033
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 5: have seen them in the past, and that's enough of

1034
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 5: a question for me to lean towards. You know, the

1035
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 5: the Mariners here, the Twins are great, but you know

1036
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 5: the Joe Ryan hitting the wall like Bailey Ober. I

1037
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 5: love Ballyolber, but I don't trust that dude in Game

1038
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 5: three of the postseason.

1039
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: And we have a big enough sample arm we got

1040
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: a big idea sample.

1041
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 5: That'll have a three to five. Yeah, like I need

1042
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 5: a postseason like shut down guy. Potentially, I need the

1043
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: three headed monster. And Ober is a monster physically, but

1044
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 5: he throws ninety one. So look up.

1045
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: Top to the tandem of Sonny and Pablo really like him.

1046
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: They're not Verlander and frober Veldez.

1047
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,479
Speaker 5: Now, and they're not even Castillo, and you know.

1048
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: They don't those TEMs.

1049
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody else and the maybe Garrett Cole and Clark

1050
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: Schmidt if they sneak in for sure for.

1051
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 5: Sure, Rangers, we don't. We don't trust the Rangers that much. Now.

1052
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: If they had a healthy Evaldi, they'd be right in

1053
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: this conversation, but we just don't know yet. And then

1054
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: of course, obviously, if they'd have de Grom, they would

1055
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: have the best I think, But they don't have either

1056
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: of them right now. But if they do get Evaldi back,

1057
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: I think they're in that discussion.

1058
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, nationally, it's clear as day for me. Can we

1059
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: just make sure that we all settle on the same team.

1060
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 4: It's so ridiculously clear for me?

1061
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: Uh huh is it?

1062
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 4: Yes?

1063
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 5: Tell me no, he's gonna saya Braves.

1064
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Strider, Freed, Morton and whoever the fuck game for Yeah?

1065
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about if the Brewers make it,

1066
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: that's woodrof Freddy, that's good. Woodruff is such a dog.

1067
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm becoming his biggest fan. I think when he's blowing

1068
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: ninety Evan and just spinning off those hammers, I'm like,

1069
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: holy shit, dude, you look like the best pitcher alive.

1070
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: And then when Burns is going to like the Braves,

1071
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: don't I mean, Streider and Freed against Burns and Woodruff.

1072
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: The problem is that the Brewers aren't gonna hit so

1073
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: but if we're just talking about this not a kitchen,

1074
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: the Brewers got it, and if Riheus kicks it back

1075
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: in the gear, you know, Buehler, Kershaw Reus. That's why

1076
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: I don't think it's clear as day. But I get

1077
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Jack, because right now you look at

1078
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: the Braves and I think you're kind of putting in

1079
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: their offense where it's like who's gonna beat them? But

1080
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: if we just put the pitchers in a vacuum, I

1081
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: think it's closer. But like Freed with the Braves offense.

1082
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 4: Shit and Charlie Morton, like knowing how good Charlie Wharton's

1083
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: been in the postseason two, it's it's just a different

1084
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: beast there. And Freddy Pearlt. I love Freddy. He's got

1085
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 4: a mid force right now.

1086
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Not a bad take.

1087
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. If I think Strider is gonna work through whatever,

1088
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: you know, he's working through too. And it's just all

1089
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 5: those high carry fastball guys go through these rough patches

1090
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 5: when their fastball commands not there. I'd go Braves, but

1091
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 5: those were gonna be my two. I had Braves one,

1092
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 5: and then I had the Brewers that are close to

1093
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: because Burns just showed us the flashes of like looking

1094
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 5: like cy Young Burns again, and then even over the

1095
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 5: last three star to where he's you know regressed back

1096
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 5: a little bit, it's still six innings of two runs

1097
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 5: three times in a row here, and that just seems

1098
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 5: to be the baseline. Woodruff nine punchies. In his first

1099
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: start back his Peter mentioned his stuff looks crazy, and

1100
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 5: then Peralta like gives you those flashes. You're just hoping

1101
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: he can, you know, capture that on the big stage.

1102
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 5: You'd talk about the high era Jack, but like there's

1103
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 5: also the other side where he can go seven innings

1104
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 5: of thirteen punchies. It's a level of trust and there's

1105
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 5: some questions there, But I think he's a slightly subdued

1106
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: version of Spencer Strider, where like there could be that

1107
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 5: blow up start, but he could also absolutely shove and

1108
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: there's a lot of unknown, not to the degree of

1109
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 5: you know, I think there's more unknown with Paralta than Strider, obviously,

1110
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 5: but I think they both have similar capabilities and similar weaknesses.

1111
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 5: I think Milwaukee's right there, and if you look by

1112
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 5: Pitcher f war since the All Star break, the Milwaukee

1113
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 5: Brewers who just added Woodrope, so he's barely baked into this.

1114
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 5: Over twenty five total games are fifth, somehow behind Baltimore

1115
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 5: Saint Louis, which is hilarious. Toronto and Tampa Bay crazy

1116
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 5: list ahead of them, but I think that is a

1117
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 5: really interesting Sorry, that was actually entire pitching staff. Going

1118
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: by rotation, they are also fifth, but just with a

1119
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 5: different list of guys ahead of them. Tampa Bay still

1120
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 5: somehow number one, which is absurd. But yeah, I trust Milwaukee.

1121
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: I do, maybe not to the degree of the braves

1122
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 5: of Freet's.

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00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: Throwing the way he's been throwing another rotation, I really trust.

1124
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: We're talking about deep Phillies, Wheeler, no Ranger, Lorenzen that's

1125
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: damn good too. And then if Christopher Sanchez and Taiwan

1126
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: Walker come in and can piggybacks.

1127
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 4: That's another year extension. Like let's compare Taiwan Walker and

1128
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: Jamison Tyne and tell me you want to give gi

1129
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: Alito a four year dear.

1130
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But someone's gotta probably just gonna

1131
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: be like, fuck it, five sure, but that's why I

1132
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's But then, like we are, we didn't

1133
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: really mention the Dodgers, like if Reus back to being

1134
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: Julio Raes in the playoffs, like he's one of those

1135
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: guys where the lights are on. I know a raised

1136
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: to struggle this year, but I still full faith in him,

1137
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: and then a healthy Bueller and a healthy Kershaw because

1138
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: of this long eye el stint. And now he's finally

1139
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: coming back and he's got a nice start against the

1140
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: Rockies at home. Ty Blatch is opposing him. I think

1141
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: they'll win that game. That's like the Rockies, the worst

1142
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: team in baseball against lefties. It's probably gonna be a

1143
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 1: nice little start for them. That's also really really good too,

1144
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 1: like the American League gets, I think it's pretty set.

1145
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: It's Mariners, Twins, Astros have a ton of potential. But

1146
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: the National League, I almost feel that every team that's

1147
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: going to be a contender has pretty damn good starting

1148
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: pitching at the top.

1149
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 5: The Marlins. The Marlins, that's not bad, Like I'm half kidding,

1150
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 5: but it's it's not bad at all. You have to

1151
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 5: technically consider them a contender in a playoff spot.

1152
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean, thinking about it, armed the Marlins have a

1153
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: better starting rotation for the playoffs than the Rays, than

1154
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: the Orioles yea, than the Blue Jays yeah, then the Rangers.

1155
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 5: Yep.

1156
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Those are all legit teams, so no doubt I mean, like,

1157
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: will they make the playoffs and.

1158
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 5: The answer is no, probably not. But Sandy that's another one, like, oh,

1159
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 5: if Sandy performs like Sandy, you had wizardo into that conversation.

1160
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 5: And then depending on the inning situation of Yuri, I

1161
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 5: mean that guy is the number three with the way

1162
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 5: he's thrown is pretty absurd. Uh, But you could also

1163
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 5: go with a few different other guys that we've talked about.

1164
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 5: That's a fun grouping too, you know, if everyone's throwing

1165
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 5: to the best of their ability and healthy. But I

1166
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 5: think I think the Braves have to be that that

1167
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 5: team because of how much I trust Charlie Morton as

1168
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 5: a three in the playoffs, because of Max Freed just

1169
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 5: you know, when he's healthy. I mean, he's really blossomed

1170
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 5: into you know, the one of the premier leftis, if

1171
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 5: not the best lefty you know in the game. And

1172
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 5: then you have, you know, somebody like Spencer Strider who's

1173
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 5: capable of legitimately striking everybody out in a start. Braves

1174
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 5: are number one. But I do agree it's it's it's close.

1175
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 5: There's there's some options.

1176
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: Okay, we covered that one. Our next question is who

1177
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: are the three best managers and three worst managers in

1178
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: the league. So I feel like we've answered this question

1179
00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: once this season over the last three years, and I

1180
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 1: think it's always such a tough question because I think

1181
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: probably last year Alex Cora, I thought was one of

1182
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: the best managers in baseball, but now his team has

1183
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: fallen under expectations. Is he now a bad manager?

1184
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: No?

1185
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: Right, So it's like I still kind of have similar

1186
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: answers here, Like I still think Dusty Baker is a

1187
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: great manager for the Astros. I still think Alex Cora

1188
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: is one of the best managers in baseball in the

1189
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: American League. I'm just talking about America League right now,

1190
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: Like I still think Kevin Cash, Terry Francona. I know

1191
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: the Guardians have had a bad year, and I know

1192
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Guardians fans are want to get rid of Terry Tito,

1193
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: but like, I still think he's fantastic. Those are still

1194
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: my answers in the American League. But I think the

1195
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: National League question, like I still think it's Brent Snicker

1196
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: with the Braves. I still think it's right, Like I

1197
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: don't think there's that many good managers of the National League.

1198
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: So if I had to give my top three managers.

1199
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: It'd probably be Brian Snicker of the Braves, Kevin Cash

1200
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: of the Rays, and Sue Me. I still think it's

1201
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: Alex Cora the Red Sox.

1202
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 5: I think it's so much easier to point out the

1203
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 5: bad ones. Go ahead, Jack, I'll give my whole manager

1204
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 5: pitch after this.

1205
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 4: But I was just gonna say Brian Rochio, Andre Si Menez,

1206
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: Jose Ramirez, Cole Calhoun, Ramon Loriano, Will Brennan, Bo Naylor,

1207
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 4: Miles Straw, Jose Tana with Noah cinderguard on the mount

1208
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 4: Tito's fault.

1209
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: Aren't they witting right now as we recorded?

1210
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:46,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1211
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 4: Four to one, bottom flock, How the fuck is that

1212
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 4: Tito's fault?

1213
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 5: That's not Tito's fun.

1214
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 4: Terry Francona and I know Arm You're probably gonna say

1215
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: something similar. But the way I look at managers is like,

1216
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 4: who has universal respect, who has respect from players, who

1217
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 4: has respect from other you know, big old guard, old

1218
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 4: head baseball guys, and who has respect from the media.

1219
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 4: And I think that the three names that jumped to

1220
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: my mind immediately are Terry Francona, Dusty Baker, and Brian Snitker.

1221
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 4: And I can't forget Bruce Bochi. Bochie is the fourth

1222
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 4: So like all the old heads, all the old heads

1223
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 4: man like the old heads, but then like the new Guard,

1224
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 4: it's Korra. I don't know, Gabe Kappeler seems to have

1225
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 4: a lot of respect.

1226
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 5: Like I'm I'm like, yeah, I guess. I just think

1227
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 5: that it's so circumstantial. And that's the thing with like

1228
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 5: I feel like to properly assess who a good manager is,

1229
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 5: I need to do like a behind the scenes like

1230
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,919
Speaker 5: just pretend I'm not here and hang out in every

1231
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 5: clubhouse for two weeks and understand her boss. Yeah yeah,

1232
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 5: I was the literally thinking that's what I was looking for.

1233
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 5: Undercover boss. Literally, do do that and just see what's

1234
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 5: going on, because like there's so many moving parts that

1235
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 5: we don't know about. I look at the Milwaukee Brewers

1236
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: and I think Craig Council has done a fantastic job

1237
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 5: over there. They've flamed out last year. Is it his

1238
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 5: fucking fault that they traded Josh Hader at the deadline

1239
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 5: and the team you know, kind of lost by in

1240
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 5: his fault that Devin Williams lost a fight with a wall. Like,

1241
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 5: there's just so many moving parts but you look at

1242
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: the Brewers like they're always a roster that you're like, yeah, yeah,

1243
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 5: I guess, and they perform well. They won ninety five

1244
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 5: games in twenty twenty one, they won eighty six last year,

1245
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 5: and then they're on pace to win the division again

1246
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 5: this year. They're sixty two and fifty four. It's always

1247
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 5: kind of a meh roster or like a pretty good roster,

1248
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 5: and they're always pretty darn good. And they made the

1249
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 5: playoffs four consecutive years before coming up just short last

1250
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 5: year after the front office literally depleted the team. So

1251
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 5: I think Councils in that conversation, I really do. I

1252
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 5: think he's kind of one of those guys that, for me,

1253
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 5: a good manager sometimes is the ones you hear the

1254
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 5: least about. And I feel like you hear nothing about

1255
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 5: Craig Council, and I think he's a good manager by

1256
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 5: that stretch of the imagination. In that thought, I feel

1257
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 5: like it's always just safe to say old head. But

1258
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 5: there's so many any things I think that go on

1259
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 5: that we don't know about that, Like, you know, I

1260
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 5: don't know who the best ones are. I can kind

1261
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 5: of tell you who the worst ones are sometimes, like

1262
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 5: I think on them all stinks out loud.

1263
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, just we'll get to the worst managers. But just

1264
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: a point here too. I think the new rules handcuffed

1265
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: managers a little bit, right with the three outs that

1266
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: a reliever has to get right. Kevin Cash was so

1267
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: good at moving his defenders around in order to shift right.

1268
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 1: The Rays were kind of that first team that really

1269
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: implemented the shift. Now they can't really do that anymore,

1270
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: so you take some of the manager's role out of it.

1271
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: So right now, I don't truly know what the manager

1272
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: does because I know a lot of teams they simulate

1273
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: the games a thousand times and they give the manager

1274
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: the most optimized lineup. That's why I think a lot

1275
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 1: of fans of teams is like, why is our lineup

1276
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: changing every day? Why is so many more guys in?

1277
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: Because I'm like ninety nine percent positive the off is

1278
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: gives the manager the lineup and saying, this lineup, based

1279
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: on our models gives us the best chance to win today.

1280
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: These relievers in these situations give us the best chance

1281
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: to win today. So I think the manager is just

1282
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: there to keep vibes up. Obviously they have other smaller jobs,

1283
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: but truly, guys, what else is the manager doing in

1284
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: this day and age in baseball? And maybe that's why

1285
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: the Braves are so good because they let Brian Snicker

1286
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: have more of a run at it. But I think

1287
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: most teams don't operate like that right now, and I

1288
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: think that's a problem.

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01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 5: It's funny too, because it's like there's kind of like

1290
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 5: a Venn diagram, and I just think it overlaps so

1291
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 5: much more than people may think in terms of just

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01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 5: how good is the team, how highly regarded is the manager,

1293
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 5: and how much credit do we end up giving him.

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 5: I think snit's awesome. Obviously. You see where the manager

1295
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 5: really separates himself, I think is in the postseason, and

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01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 5: that's where you can really see it. But over one

1297
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 5: sixty two, it's a lot of managing egos and just

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01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 5: kind of keeping the team up and doing those things.

1299
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 5: Brian Snicker is great, and he's already proven on the

1300
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 5: big stage by winning the World Series. Like, Brian Snicker

1301
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 5: doesn't have a one twenty three WRC plus this year.

1302
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 5: The Atlanta Braves too. They rake they've h two hundred

1303
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 5: and fifteen home runs. Brian Snicker has nothing to do

1304
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 5: with that. That that's just the reality of it. So

1305
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 5: it's tough. And then I think the other thing that

1306
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 5: we normally do is this team exceeded expectations, Let's credit

1307
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 5: the manager. And that's always a funny one too, because

1308
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 5: maybe the team just ended up playing better than everybody

1309
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 5: thought they were going to play. It doesn't mean that

1310
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 5: the manager is necessarily some you know, incredible manager.

1311
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,919
Speaker 4: Akunya, Riley Olsen, and Alby's have all played every game

1312
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 4: so far this year. So credit to Brian Snicker for

1313
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 4: being the best strength and conditioning coach and trainer and

1314
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 4: messus and chiropractor in all of baseball.

1315
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 5: Yes, I want to say one last thing. Brave fans

1316
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,800
Speaker 5: used to complain about Snit plenty.

1317
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 4: Yes, shut up, shut up, Snit's awesome.

1318
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 5: I know he's great, but I'm saying, like now they

1319
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 5: love him. It just shows you. It's just it's You're

1320
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 5: You're literally a punch. You are the scapegoat for better

1321
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 5: and for worse.

1322
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, any ideas on the worst managers. I think Rocco

1323
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: bell Belli of the Twins sucks. I will just keep

1324
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: saying that. I think he's been horrible. I think if

1325
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: both pen decisions are terrible, terrible. The Twins are way

1326
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: better than what the record they are. They have such

1327
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: great starting pitching, they have good arms back there, and

1328
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: they just don't really win games. So I think he's

1329
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: one of the worst that I've seen. Olie Marmol is

1330
01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: definitely up there, but he's gonna be gone soon anyway.

1331
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: Tory Leavello of the Diamondbacks, I think has had some

1332
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: bonehead decisions.

1333
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 5: I mean, and the way they've they've hit a wall. Yeah,

1334
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 5: interesting too.

1335
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: Who else comes to mind?

1336
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 5: I think could you give me blame?

1337
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: Like another just like old head that we thought is

1338
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: really good in the Padre stink, Like is Bob Melvin

1339
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: a bad manager? Now? No, I don't think so.

1340
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think Mother Teresa could could

1341
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 5: manage those those egos, know and that I.

1342
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 4: Think Mother Teresa would get stomped on.

1343
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, you just like it, just you get caught in

1344
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 5: a brawl there, like, Yeah, I don't think I am

1345
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 5: I'm Manny Machado. Yeah, like doctor Phil is not save

1346
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 5: in that clubhouse? Yeah, man, I mean bad Okay, old

1347
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 5: head Buck show Walter, Like I know, he's had a

1348
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 5: lot of great moments.

1349
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: Like I think maybe the Manager of the Year last

1350
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: year we would under one game, which is a joke.

1351
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 5: Bucket said so many stupid things. He's dodged so many questions.

1352
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 5: He said, like, what was it like, we don't even

1353
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 5: know if we're gonna be like alive tomorrow. Basically when they

1354
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 5: asked him about like who the probable picture was, that's

1355
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 5: deepest shit.

1356
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 4: I appreciate.

1357
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Like to me, he's kind of in

1358
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 5: that conversation at this point of his career because he

1359
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 5: doesn't handle I don't think he's handled the New York

1360
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 5: media well. And and if that's the outward thing that

1361
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 5: we're seeing, I wonder what's going on internally, and clearly

1362
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 5: it's not been great there. I think buck like is

1363
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 5: in that convert station. But for me, Ali mar mal

1364
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 5: is far and away, just just brutal. I think he's

1365
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 5: the worst.

1366
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: I think the manager who's the worst on the team

1367
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: who's really really good right now. I think John Schneider

1368
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: on the Blue Jays is not good at all. I

1369
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: know Jay's fans don't like him for good reason. They

1370
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: have the I think the number one bullpen in baseball

1371
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: right now by Sierra Skill Interactive Area, which is an

1372
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: area s matter that I think is really good for bullpens,

1373
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: and for some reason, the bullpen blows games because he

1374
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: puts them in bad spots. I also think his lineup

1375
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: construction is shit, and maybe that's coming down from the

1376
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 1: Blue Jays front office. Like he pinch hits, like he

1377
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: just keeps playing Cavin Bigio for some reason. I don't.

1378
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't think John Schneider is a good manager at all.

1379
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 1: And I think there's a reason why the Blue Jays

1380
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 1: have one of the most talented rosters in Major League

1381
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: Baseball and continually underperformed the expectations of this is finally

1382
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: the Blue Jays year, and it's never quite the blue

1383
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: Jays year. And I think John Schneider honestly has a

1384
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: lot to do with that. Of the really good teams,

1385
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: I think he's the worst manager. What do you guys

1386
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: think any of the really good teams. That's fair because

1387
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the really good teams have good managers.

1388
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 1: So it's not like John Schneider is one of the

1389
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: worst managers in baseball, just among the great teams. So

1390
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: our last question, because we've been going here for a while,

1391
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: who is the biggest threat to the Atlanta Braves asked

1392
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: by at Brady two eight two nine nine three. Also,

1393
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 1: I want to shout out at Carter kW eleven and

1394
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: at up next MiLB on Twitter. I know you guys

1395
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: asked those questions before, and I forgot to shout you

1396
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: guys out. So the question is who is the biggest

1397
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: threat in the National League? But I think a broader

1398
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: conversation is if the Braves do make it, like, is

1399
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: there any team in Major League Baseball who can take

1400
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: them off the mantle? Because I think we do this

1401
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: every year. We annoint the best team in the regular

1402
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 1: season the World Series title probably gonna do when we

1403
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: make predictions again. But more often than not, the best

1404
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: team doesn't always win it right. The Braves were pretty

1405
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: damn good last year and didn't end up winning it right.

1406
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: Wake Forest was the best team in college baseball this

1407
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: season and they didn't win it either. Baseball's a weird sport.

1408
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: Ball doesn't always bounce away. The Phillies were a wild

1409
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 1: card team and made the World Series. So do I

1410
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: think the Braves are gonna win the World Series? On paper? Absolutely?

1411
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: I have a bunch of futures tickets on them. Do

1412
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: I actually think they're gonna win almost a little bit

1413
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: scared that they've been too good, so you guys guess

1414
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 1: the right to them.

1415
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, So think about who we've had this conversation about.

1416
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 4: I think each of the last two years, each of

1417
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 4: the first two years that we did this show, at

1418
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 4: this point in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,

1419
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 4: we were saying, who's gonna beat the Dodgers, Man, who's

1420
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 4: gonna take down the Dodgers? Like, who's gonna stop the

1421
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 4: Dodgers in the National League, Who's gonna stop the Dodgers

1422
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 4: from winning the World Series? I think now that we're

1423
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 4: not talking about the Dodgers.

1424
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:01,360
Speaker 1: It's the Dodgers. I don't hate that. That was gonna

1425
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: be my answer. In the National League, they get they're

1426
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: a little bit too quiet, and with Bueller coming back,

1427
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's enormous, well and enormous.

1428
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 4: Even then, man, Like, I'm just thinking about the huge

1429
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: homer that James Outman is gonna hit in the NLDS

1430
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: and it's gonna like send shockwaves through baseball.

1431
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, this guy's been good all year. Yes, Freddy,

1432
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: Freddy Freeman is a higher ops than Ronicuny Junior. This season.

1433
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 5: Yes, and they have that guy that they have that

1434
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 5: podcast host too.

1435
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.

1436
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 5: What's his name? Mookie? Right?

1437
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mookie, Yeah, we've got him.

1438
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 4: They have a catcher that apparently is good at golf. Yes, dude,

1439
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 4: they fly.

1440
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 5: He also started in the Fresh Prince of bel Air.

1441
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 4: Right he did, Yes, and he slapped the ship out

1442
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: of Chris Rock at the Oscars. I mean, dude, like,

1443
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 4: somehow the La Dodgers of all teams, are flying under

1444
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 4: the radar this year somehow.

1445
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,760
Speaker 1: And our friends at bet MGM, if we look at

1446
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 1: the current World Series odds, the Braves are plus three

1447
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: twenty five to win, Dodgers are plus four fifty. Who

1448
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: do we think is number three?

1449
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 5: I'll tell you who. I think. This is the National League.

1450
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: You said, no, this is just in Major League Baseball.

1451
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: So take two best teams or two most likely teams

1452
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: to win the World Series are the Braves and the Dodgers,

1453
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: and then number three. So Texas, your guess is Texas Rangers.

1454
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: Arm who's your guests?

1455
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 5: The Phillies the Houston Astros. Oh true, I forgot about them.

1456
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna make my Phillies case real quick. Okay,

1457
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 5: first of all, we know that they can go head

1458
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 5: to head with the Braves. They just did it, and

1459
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 5: it's a lot of the same players. I'm buying in

1460
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 5: on the vibes. First of all, I think this team

1461
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 5: is just going to keep getting stronger. Schwarber's starting to

1462
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 5: really kind of settle in here, Harper is finally like

1463
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,560
Speaker 5: getting those games back under his belt, and Rolling Cassianos

1464
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 5: is a totally different player than what they had last year.

1465
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 5: So to me, it's almost like they added an All

1466
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 5: Star by having last year's versus this year's. Stott has

1467
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 5: awesom real mute is still real Mutel and then Trey

1468
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 5: Turner like he wasn't on the team last year. I

1469
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 5: know he has sucked this year, but he's still going

1470
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 5: to be a two and a half win guy by

1471
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 5: the end of the season somehow. And we saw him

1472
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 5: on the big stage, you know, for Team USA and

1473
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 5: what he did. Would you be shocked if Trey Turner

1474
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 5: hits hits his stride in the playoffs, like I wouldn't.

1475
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 5: They've been doing this with you know, Brandon marsh on

1476
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 5: the il, Johann Rojas has plogged, and they got Sir

1477
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 5: Anthony Dominguez back a few weeks ago. Kimberle has been

1478
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 5: trustworthy and has been good, and we just talked about

1479
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 5: the rotation, and we know that they perform in the

1480
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 5: playoffs and they've got a bunch of dudes. I don't

1481
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 5: know if there's any chance to get Reee Hoskins back

1482
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 5: as even potentially a bench bat, you know, for the playoffs.

1483
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 5: That would be really cool if possible. But even without them,

1484
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 5: I think they're They're a team that I, you know,

1485
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 5: I don't want to run into in the playoffs. I

1486
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 5: think they've got a really good shot, and I know

1487
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 5: the Braves definitely don't want to run into them. Compared

1488
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 5: to some of the other teams in the playoffs, I

1489
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 5: think the Phillies are easily the biggest threat to the Braves,

1490
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 5: and I wouldn't be shocked if if you put them

1491
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 5: on a lot eye detector, you put the Braves on

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Speaker 5: a lie detector, that they'd rather face the Dodgers than

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Speaker 5: the Phillies, just because of the way the Phillies match

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Speaker 5: up with them, know them, and have already beaten them

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Speaker 5: last year.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate the argument, Jack, I don't hate it

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Speaker 1: at all.

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Speaker 4: I really enjoy that one, and I think if there's

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Speaker 4: a like a Cinderella quote unquote. But the thing is,

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Speaker 4: it's so hard to call the Phillies a Cinderella. It's

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Speaker 4: so hard to call any team that makes the postseason

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Speaker 4: a Cinderella, unless it's the Miami Marlins. Like then the

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Speaker 4: Marlins are just surely a Cinderella team. Whoever gets into

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Speaker 4: the NL Wild Card. I think it's just officially a

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Speaker 4: Cinderella aside from the top spot. Whever backs into that

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Speaker 4: last spot and no one fucking wants it. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So like when the Cincinnati Reds win the World Series

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Speaker 4: this year, I'm gonna be eating so much crow.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's all about who gets hot the

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Speaker 1: right time too. And I ain't sleeping on my Seattle Mariners.

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Speaker 1: When I say my, I mean it's just because I

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Speaker 1: invested so much money in at the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 1: Since the All Star Break, the Seattle Mariners are first

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Speaker 1: right in win loss record, tenth in WRC plus, eleventh

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Speaker 1: in OPS, tenth in homers, seventh in ERA, sixth and

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Speaker 1: fifth third and x FIP. The Mariners are getting hot

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01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: at the right time. If the Rangers in the Ashros

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01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: battle each other too hard, and one of them doesn't

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Speaker 1: end up making it. I think the Orioles have as

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Speaker 1: good of a shot as any the Rays I'm still

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Speaker 1: worried about as I'm worried about the Blue Jays, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not that worried about the Twins. I think the

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Speaker 1: Mariners have an outside shot. And I'm also a little

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Speaker 1: bit biased because I bet plus seventy five hundred Mariners

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Speaker 1: meet Braves in World Series. Do we think that's possible?

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Speaker 4: Gentlemen, We've got a shot.

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Speaker 1: We've got a shot, and that'll do it for this

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Speaker 1: episode of The Just Baseball Show. That was the mail

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Speaker 1: bag for Friday, August eleventh. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the

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Speaker 1: three of us doing the mail bag for the first

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Speaker 1: time in a little while. Of course, go check out

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Speaker 1: our friends at ALT. Are you all you card collectors

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Speaker 1: out there? That link is in the episode description. And

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Speaker 1: if you've been watching us on YouTube and you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: And last thing before we go and send you all

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Speaker 1: into the weekend, go get yourself some just baseball merch.

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Speaker 1: I'm warning to not gambling advice. Tea arms are not

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Speaker 1: going to just baseball tea. I'm rocking to row Pat

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Speaker 1: and Jack hates the company, Jack Arm, I'm Peter. And

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Speaker 1: with that, thank you, profudding hate you guys,