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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jane Kramer, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are unfortunately not together at the moment, well

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Speaker 2: not all of us.

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Speaker 3: Boop boo. I'm booping alone.

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Speaker 2: Boop and alone am So. Catherine and I are in Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: Ohio because I am filming a movie and I'm on

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Speaker 2: my lunch break right now. So and KB is just

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Speaker 2: holding holding down the four in uh Nashville.

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Speaker 3: I'm just live on location here in Nashville. Girls. You

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Speaker 3: look so cute today, though, Jana, who are you playing?

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us anything?

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Speaker 2: My name's Lindsay, not Lindsay Crocker, but I'm Lindsay Crocker.

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Speaker 3: Really got to the comment section? Did you see that?

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Speaker 2: I do go.

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Speaker 3: There's somebody that was like, oh, I also broke my

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Speaker 3: arm with Lindsay Crocker's house or something. It's in our comments.

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Speaker 1: Did you read the comments?

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Speaker 3: No? I just saw it pop up, and I was like.

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Speaker 1: You don't usually read the comment No, but.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was funny that there's another Lindsay crack

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Speaker 3: her story, Poor Lindsay Crocker. She needs her own T shirt.

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Speaker 2: Well, No, I play, I play an assistant and see

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Speaker 2: what else can I say? I play an assistant, and

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Speaker 2: I've got a really good app idea that we should

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Speaker 2: all use one day. That is all I'm gonna say.

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Speaker 3: Is this based on a true story?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. Okay, I have some tinsel in it,

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Speaker 2: and it might have a few ornaments. That's about I

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Speaker 2: think we know where that goes. Yeah, as we talked

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Speaker 2: about last week, but something happened. Catherine and I had

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Speaker 2: the most like a hectic getting on the plane tropic

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Speaker 2: all day. It was one of those where this sweet

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Speaker 2: girl stopped us and I want to apologize to her

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Speaker 2: because okay, so we'll just set the scene. So I

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Speaker 2: say wave goodbye to the kids. They're going on the

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Speaker 2: bus or whatever. So I wave goodbye to the kiddos.

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Speaker 2: Catherine comes to grab me.

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Speaker 1: Well mind you. I sit there and I say here, and.

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Speaker 2: I was just waiting too for I'm like, oh, where's Catherine.

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Speaker 2: And then so I was five minutes late getting into

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Speaker 2: the car. I apologize because I'm like I was just waiting.

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Speaker 2: But the problem was is that Roman. We took him

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Speaker 2: to the doctors. He ended up having the flu and

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Speaker 2: an ear infection, so adi I know. So that was

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Speaker 2: the night before and so I was just you know,

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Speaker 2: so hopped in the car with her. We raned a

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Speaker 2: little bit of traffic. What happened when we got there.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was a lot of traffic, but then we

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Speaker 4: were fine. And then we checked our bags in, which

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Speaker 4: was fine. But then we were walking and I was like,

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Speaker 4: I forgot my pass support and I don't have real

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Speaker 3: I don't either does anyone else?

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Speaker 2: I had it before COVID who are you? I know

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Speaker 2: it was that. That was when we were supposed to

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Speaker 3: Oh Cramer, well done that guy.

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Speaker 4: So that happens and then I'm like, wait, I've already

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Speaker 1: So I was like it'll be fine. And right as I.

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Speaker 4: stumps up. And she's like, I listen to you guys

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Speaker 2: so to that sweet listener that stopped us. Sorry that

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Speaker 3: Really hard to find ubers don't exist.

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Speaker 2: I miss you, miss you too. What's going on in Nashville?

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Speaker 3: We're about to have a lot of weather today.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean kind of weather?

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my only wine about it. I just

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Speaker 2: it's frustrating me that amount. Like I have a sitter

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Speaker 2: She's just the fun babysitter, you know, so it's you

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Speaker 3: Like that's the one you're describing. We have one of

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Speaker 2: The headline that we have this week is the era

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Speaker 2: So that's why like Alan and I are always like, hey, okay, Alan,

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Speaker 4: you to be with him, and you don't want me

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Speaker 4: to be with him, and I'm with him because there

435
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,080
Speaker 4: were so many things said and so many things said

436
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 4: on social media that I don't know if they can

437
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 4: really take it all back. They could try, and I

438
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 4: hope they do. I mean, they were, you know, seem

439
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 4: to be big friends, but I don't know. I don't

440
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 4: know that this changes anything for them.

441
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,879
Speaker 3: I do think there's a point in friendships, though, like

442
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: or relationships, when so much gets exchanged that I don't

443
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,680
Speaker 3: know how you reverse that. It's like to your point,

444
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 3: like when we're saying this much and at social media

445
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: and there's like the whole world's watching, it's a hard comeback.

446
00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 2: It is. I was just trying to think about like

447
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,919
Speaker 2: our friendship. I know that we, you know, have moments

448
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 2: of things, and I know you didn't love people that

449
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: I've been with, But I do think if a friendship

450
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 2: still had that love that I think anything can be repaired,

451
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 2: if you know, I don't know, I just I just

452
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: believe that. I think I do think things can be repaired,

453
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: and I always want that to be repaired. But I've

454
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,640
Speaker 2: also lost friendships and we never could. We tried, we'd

455
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 2: sit down. We had remember meeting that one friend in

456
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 2: San Francisco and we sat down and had you know,

457
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: a nice, a nice little lunch, but it was never

458
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 2: the same and we never were connected because we both

459
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 2: had hurt from both sides.

460
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Speaker 3: I also think we're just kind of different people. Like

461
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 3: our personality types are different than listen. They're all on

462
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: TV for a reason, right, Like there's a personality type.

463
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,400
Speaker 3: There's I'll go down in flames for saying it this way,

464
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: but like there's egos, and there's narcissism, and there's you know,

465
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 3: like I could never survive in a friend group like that.

466
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 3: Like our friend group is really like sweet and whole

467
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 3: for the most part. Like if we heard a feeling,

468
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 3: we'd be so devastated.

469
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,959
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's lines you don't cross. Okay, I

470
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 4: cannot imagine anyone that you dated or married or did

471
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,400
Speaker 4: whatever I might not agree with or what they did.

472
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Speaker 1: But going to social media.

473
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Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say. I don't think you'd

474
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: ever go to those things.

475
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's lines you know, you don't cross, like me,

476
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,120
Speaker 4: and you could not be friends tomorrow. And I would

477
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 4: never take your dirty laundry and just throw it out there.

478
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you keep every voice memo.

479
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about that. It's really

480
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Speaker 1: frustrating me.

481
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 4: But anyway, Yeah, so it's like that's where I feel

482
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 4: like they cross some lines, like you can apologize and

483
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 4: maybe forgive each other.

484
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: Which I do think they should.

485
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, but is every is it ever going to be

486
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 4: the same.

487
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

488
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 3: I don't think you can trust anymore.

489
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Speaker 2: That would be my big character stuff in there too.

490
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: Someone believes something about someone else's character, the person believes

491
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: something else, and I think that's Yeah, that's tricky too.

492
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed.

493
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: I do think that this.

494
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 4: Is probably a positive and that this wasn't the healthiest

495
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: relationship for Emma, So I wish her well.

496
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,680
Speaker 2: I love Emma. I mean I love Kroshelle too. Yeah,

497
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, just we know obviously we want everyone to

498
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: be happy, and the things that we saw.

499
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 4: Right from what you could see on TV, it didn't

500
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Speaker 4: seem like.

501
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: The And he's younger than her, right, isn't he a

502
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 3: bit younger?

503
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 2: I believe? So yeah, yeah, hey guys, I'm recently married

504
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: and the wedding was amazing, but my maid of honor

505
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: got black out drunk and ended up being sick in

506
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: the bathroom throughout the whole dinner and then going to

507
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: bed until around ten. She missed the first dance and

508
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: the majority of the evening, and when she returned she

509
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: was totally out of it and sat on her phone

510
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: for the remainder of the evening. I don't want to

511
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 2: hold a grudge, but I'm selfishly annoyed that she wasn't

512
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: able to support me on my big day and I

513
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,239
Speaker 2: wasn't able to dance with my best friend. What's your

514
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 2: thoughts on this and how do I move on without

515
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: holding any resentment, especially when her wedding comes around.

516
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 3: Speaking of friendships, I didn't.

517
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: Have the conversation and just be like this because if not,

518
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: she's going to have so much resentment on her friend's

519
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: wedding to be like, well, I was there, I was

520
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: present for you. I didn't get blackout drunk, I didn't

521
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: do this. So I think being like, hey, this really

522
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings that you did this. I didn't feel

523
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: like you were there and I wanted to have those

524
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: moments of dancing with you. And maybe her best friend

525
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 2: was going through something and she can say, oh my gosh,

526
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Hopefully that's what she does instead of

527
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: saying something defensive but I think it's I would one

528
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 2: hundred percent have the conversation.

529
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I think you have to.

530
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think, you know, to an extent, some

531
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 4: things were out of her control. Obviously once she got

532
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 4: to that really drunk place, there's no talking any sense.

533
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 1: And to anyone in that situation.

534
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 4: But she made the decision to get it to that point,

535
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 4: you know, and so I think you have to have

536
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 4: the conversation. You have to say to her, and they

537
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 4: hopefully then it's like, yeah, things were out and understanding

538
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 4: that to a point things are out of her control,

539
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 4: she didn't probably think ahead and think if I drink this,

540
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be able to dance with her. I'm

541
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 4: not gonna. I don't think the intention was there to

542
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: not be there for her. She just made a mistake

543
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 4: and took things too far and then things were out

544
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: of her control. And then hopefully showing a better example

545
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: without the resentment for the next one and not a

546
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: doing the same thing or being like, look look.

547
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,919
Speaker 1: At me, I'm not drunk. You know.

548
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 4: But such a good point, you know, it's I don't know,

549
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 4: but yeah.

550
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: Very good point. For sure. It's not what she wanted

551
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: to ruin her wedding, right, Yeah.

552
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 4: People like when you're in that situation, especially when you

553
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: get drunk. At that point, they're not thinking about it.

554
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 4: And I highly doubt if it's your best friend, they're thinking, oh,

555
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 4: I'm going to get drunk tonight, so I can't partake

556
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 4: in all of the activity.

557
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: And it might be like something too where like hearing

558
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 3: that from someone you love so much is like a

559
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: big pivot point too, like I know, and listen, I

560
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: had party days right like I feel but I know

561
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 3: that if I hurt someone's feelings, this isn't like I

562
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 3: just I know there's been situations like this where afterwards

563
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: you're like, man, that really Like if I wasn't drinking, though,

564
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have happened. And that's like a very pivotal

565
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: moment too, And like the growing up and the maturing

566
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: to go listen, maybe I just don't do that all

567
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: with alcohol, or maybe I have rules around it or something,

568
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: So that could be like a good conversation for her.

569
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: Just in general, I.

570
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: Mean, even at our age, so many people still do

571
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 4: not know their limits, still do not know when to stop.

572
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: I mean I deal with this with friends a lot.

573
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: Actually, Really, if your world. They don't drink a lot.

574
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: At home, they don't.

575
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: So you get out, you're with your friends, you're sitting

576
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 4: around a lot of the day and you have a drink,

577
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: and you know it happens all the time, and there's

578
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 4: never any intention to get to that point, but sometimes

579
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 4: it just goes there so fast. I'm like, people do

580
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 4: not understand their limits. It is unbelievable to see that.

581
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: Like I'm not saying I'm any better or I'm whatever,

582
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: but like I generally know to stop after a certain

583
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 4: point and when I feel a certain way, And it's

584
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 4: just some people just don't, no matter how old they are,

585
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: they don't know that point and when to stop and

586
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 4: keep it at a certain place.

587
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: I will say too, there could be a really beautiful

588
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: little redemption, the little friendship love story. If you told

589
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: her how you were feeling. When it is her wedding

590
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: and you guys have that fun dance together, you guys

591
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 2: can look at each other and I have that moment

592
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: of like, I love you, bestie, and I love you,

593
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: and like, that's that's your moment that you got to have.

594
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: Unfortunately you didn't get it on your wedding, but you'll

595
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: get it at hers and then you'll that'll almost like

596
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: heal that little piece for you. But you have to

597
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 2: have the conbo before to have that piece healed.

598
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: And the dance, Yeah, I say, you have two dances

599
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: at her wedding well for her.

600
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: And the attention is to have fun. I mean it's

601
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: their wedding, so I get it.

602
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: But that just means that you put on a hell

603
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 2: of a good party. Friend, I know, right if she

604
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: had a good old open bar, I know in the bathroom. Okay,

605
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: speaking of drinking, God, it's been a minute.

606
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't do well with it.

607
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

608
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: We opened up the most gorgeous bottle of wine on

609
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day. Preston was like, I just want to have

610
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: a sip with you, and I had like half a

611
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: glass and that was that and then the rest is wasted.

612
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: I didn't to do wine anything.

613
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: I don't. I cannot tell you the last I mean

614
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: maybe we had a little bit on New Year's That

615
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: was that New Year's night. I had like a half

616
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: a glass. Yeah, I had a drop of alcohol. For

617
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. I did a little fake margarita.

618
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 3: Oh cute.

619
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 4: I can do like cocktails that have a good bit

620
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 4: of water in them because it keeps me hydrated. That's

621
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: what I'm learning. Like if I have a cocktail that

622
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: it's like a lot of water with a little you

623
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: know whatever, some fruit and all that, then I can

624
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: do that.

625
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: The wine just makes me feel bad. I can't do

626
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: it anymore.

627
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: So I think as a whole America. I just watch

628
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: the saw statistic the other day that said that like

629
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: drinking is down by like something like fifty percent or

630
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: something like. The growth of people not drinking is so

631
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: much bigger now because it's just we're learning more. We're

632
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 3: understanding how it affects our bodies. People are more focused on.

633
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: How my alcoholic I mean, the alcohol fails are like

634
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: map down, so our yeah for next door, we get

635
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 2: our non alcoholic wines from. He was just like, this

636
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: is what is selling the most is the non alcoholic stuff.

637
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: The doctors aren't telling us to have a glass to

638
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: day anymore.

639
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: Not the good one.

640
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: Tricky time.

641
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Well, ladies, thanks for doing this over zoom. Thank you

642
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: guys for listening over our little zoomy zoom. And next

643
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: time we'll be home.

644
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: So oh, I need us back in the same room.

645
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: I love you too, quick shoot and we're out of here.

646
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: Feel better, keepy, feel better.

647
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 3: I love you. Yeah, I'm gonna. I'm gonna just take

648
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 3: myself to bed.

649
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, good good.

650
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: I love you girls. I miss you. Have fun but

651
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: not too much. Save the middle seat for me.

652
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: We will, Bye girl.

653
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: I love you. M