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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: And ninety minutes of debate between Senator JD Vance and

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Speaker 2: Governor Timwalls ends Welcome back to Bloomberg TV and radio.

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Speaker 2: Simulcast coverage of this debate on CBS. Of course, over

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Speaker 2: the next last ninety minutes, we saw Mike's hot and

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Speaker 2: facts sometimes checked, although jd Vance was not too happy

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Speaker 2: about that, as they fielded questions on a number of subjects,

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Speaker 2: and Governor Walls described himself as someone who frequently misspeaks.

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Speaker 2: He admitted he mispoke about a trip to China the

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Speaker 2: timing of that in nineteen eighty nine. He appeared to

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Speaker 2: misspeak once again in this debate, saying he'd become friends

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Speaker 2: with school shooters, while jd Vance, toward the end of

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Speaker 2: their discussion, refused to say whether or not Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: lost in the twenty twenty election. There were a number

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Speaker 2: of topics as well Joe Matthew that were not broached

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Speaker 2: in this debate, including questions around Ukraine, for example, or

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Speaker 2: the military service of Governor.

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Speaker 3: Walltz Yeah, both of which we did we hear quite

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Speaker 3: a bit of time spent on here, not the case

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Speaker 3: this evening. Some interesting choices when it came to topics,

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Speaker 3: for instance, family leave instead of one of the two

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Speaker 3: hot wars that are raging right now around the world,

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Speaker 3: and some interesting moments for both candidates. Tim Walls might

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Speaker 3: be remembered Kayley for his line about being friends with

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Speaker 3: school shooters. A lot of people are wondering what he

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Speaker 3: meant by that. It has already gone viral. Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: of course, was updating things live online on truth Social

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Speaker 3: with a post now showing a lawn sign. It's already

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Speaker 3: been made Trump Vance twenty four not friends with school shooters.

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Speaker 3: Let's bringing our political panel. Rick Davis and Genie Shanzeno

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg Politics contributors were watching along with us here, and

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Speaker 3: of course the question for both of you, did anyone

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Speaker 3: win this debate? Geenie? Was this a draw? Or do

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Speaker 3: we actually have a winner that moved the needle?

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Speaker 4: I think from a purely debating perspective, I think you

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Speaker 4: have to give it to jd Vance. I don't think

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Speaker 4: that's much of a surprise. He is a seasoned He

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Speaker 4: was very good with Tim Ryan, he was good tonight.

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Speaker 4: I think what he did that threw Tim Waltz off

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Speaker 4: a bit was he was very sort of willing to

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Speaker 4: reach across the aisle. He was friendly, he was affable,

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Speaker 4: he was, you know, talking about being bipartisan, all of

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Speaker 4: those kinds of things. So anybody and many of us

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Speaker 4: thought he might be an attack dog. He was not

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Speaker 4: that he so I think when you look at purely

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Speaker 4: from debate points, he had a very good night. Tim

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Speaker 4: Waltz had some good moments. His talk about healthcare was

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Speaker 4: I think one of his best, as was the January sixth.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately for Tim Waltz, those came towards the end of

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Speaker 4: the middle end of the debate. You wanted those more

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Speaker 4: at the front, but he seemed nervous, and that's understandable.

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Speaker 4: This is a big stage for him, biggest he's ever

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Speaker 4: been on, and quite frankly, not that much different than

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Speaker 4: his debate in Minnesota for the governor's race, where he

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Speaker 4: seemed to stumble a bit on words. The school shooter thing,

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Speaker 4: the knucklehead common and I think those are what people

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Speaker 4: who know him expected. So I don't think it's a surprise,

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Speaker 4: but I do think it wasn't Tim Waltz's best to

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Speaker 4: night or best showing well.

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Speaker 2: We want to go now live to the spin room

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Speaker 2: to get some reaction in real time from the floor

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Speaker 2: in New York. Bloomberg's Amory Hoarder is there now, Amory.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Kaylie, and I'm joined here by

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Speaker 5: Senator Katie Britt.

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Speaker 2: Of course of Alabama.

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Speaker 5: Let's just get your reaction to tonight.

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Speaker 6: I know before you went.

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Speaker 5: Into that debate, you were in the spin room talking

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Speaker 5: about you think Senator Vance could close the gap. He

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Speaker 5: had almost an awkward start to this campaign trail. How

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Speaker 5: did you think he performed tonight.

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Speaker 7: I thought he was outstanding. I think that was one

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Speaker 7: of the best debate performances in American history. I thought

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Speaker 7: he was collected, he was on point, and he was

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Speaker 7: very direct. But I thought the American people got to

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Speaker 7: know JD. Vance to your point. I was asked a

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Speaker 7: number of times before this, and I said, I was

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Speaker 7: honored to know JD. Not just as a colleague, but

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Speaker 7: as a person, as a friend. And when you get

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Speaker 7: to know people like he and Usha as people and

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Speaker 7: as parents, you get to see their heart, You get

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Speaker 7: to see their vision for the country. Tonight he laid

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Speaker 7: out a vision and he showed why Donald Trump needs

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Speaker 7: he did an excellent job. I thought people got an

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Speaker 7: opportunity to get to know my friend and got to

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Speaker 7: know what I believe in him, and know that he

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Speaker 7: is ready to be the vice president and obviously to serve.

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Speaker 5: Do you think this moves the needle? Though everyone says

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Speaker 5: only people pay attention to the top of the ticket,

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Speaker 5: does a debate like the running mate move the needle? Look?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he did a great job, very

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Speaker 7: clear in laying out Donald Trump's policies and why we

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Speaker 7: want to go back to a period of prosperity, a

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Speaker 7: period of a secure border of Latino chaos across the

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Speaker 7: globe and the way that we're seeing it today, a

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Speaker 7: place where your dollar goes further, where they're at the

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Speaker 7: grocery store, at the gas station. And so I think

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Speaker 7: he succinctly did that. But what he also did is

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Speaker 7: he reached people. I mean, his ability to just have come.

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Speaker 7: It felt like you got to know him, you got

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Speaker 7: to see his vision, and you felt hopeful for the future.

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Speaker 7: I got a text from my ninth grade son that said, Mom, like,

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Speaker 7: I like what he's saying, Like this is great stuff,

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Speaker 7: Like this is you know, good, good job.

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Speaker 5: I feel like your ninth grade son should be in bed,

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Speaker 5: But I guess what we'll give him this one given

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Speaker 5: his mom's on TV also spinning the debate. Can we

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Speaker 5: ask you just one final question about what is actually

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Speaker 5: going on right now and potentially if there's going to

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Speaker 5: be some Congressional action on two things happening right now

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Speaker 5: in the United States? Won the hurricane? Will Congress come back?

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Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 7: I know we saw Joe Biden come out and say

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Speaker 7: Congress needed to come back, and then we saw his

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Speaker 7: press team walk it back. Unfortunately, that's more of the

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Speaker 7: same of what we're seeing from this administration. We saw

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Speaker 7: Kamala Harris go in and get a briefing, come out

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Speaker 7: and not answer any questions. Obviously, we really lack a

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Speaker 7: commander in chief and number two in charge that's really

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Speaker 7: able to give us direction and can point this country

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Speaker 7: in the right direction even in a time of chaos

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Speaker 7: like this. I don't think you'll see us come back truly.

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Speaker 7: They've obviously released the twenty billion dollars. There are a

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Speaker 7: appropriations bills, amongst other things. So if we do come back,

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Speaker 7: we certainly have a lot of work, but unfortunately every

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Speaker 7: time we're in session, Chuck Schumer chooses to not put

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Speaker 7: bills of meeting on the floor.

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Speaker 5: Senator Haggerdy has spoke today of Tennessee devastating pictures. He

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Speaker 5: said he's getting everything right now from the federal government,

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Speaker 5: but if he wasn't, he would like to come back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'm always happy to work, always happy to come back

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Speaker 7: and do our job. I am frustrated though, as a

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Speaker 7: United States Senator that we lack when you see what

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Speaker 7: Chuck Schumer chooses to put on the floor versus what

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Speaker 7: he should be putting on the floor, things like the NDAA,

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Speaker 7: things like appropriations bills that fund homeland security, amongst other things, NDAA,

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Speaker 7: the Farm Bill. There's a ton of work to be done.

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Speaker 7: I'm ready to do it, but we need some new

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Speaker 7: leadership and Republicans. This is why it's so important for

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Speaker 7: us to take back the Senate so we can actually

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Speaker 7: do the job that people send us up.

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Speaker 4: There to do.

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Speaker 5: Senaor Katie Britt, thank you so much for your time,

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Speaker 5: Kaylee and Joe Senri dri Very. That's his performance this evening.

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Speaker 3: All right, Emery Hordern in the spin room for us

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Speaker 3: as we continue to unpack what we just experienced in

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Speaker 3: the vice presidential debate. And we'd really liked to stick

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Speaker 3: with our panel here, our signature panel for their clutch analysis,

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Speaker 3: and that includes Rick Davis, of course, Bloomberg Politics contributor.

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Speaker 3: Let's go big picture, Rick, your impressions. You sat here

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Speaker 3: watching this with us for ninety minutes. Did somebody win

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Speaker 3: this debate?

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Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if there were winners and losers.

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Speaker 6: I think each one of them sort of comported themselves

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Speaker 6: in a way that wasn't, you know, particularly special, but

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Speaker 6: you know, sort of met the needs of their candidates. Really,

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Speaker 6: this is all about reinforcing, you know, the standards that

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Speaker 6: the candidates are running at. At the top of the ticket,

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Speaker 6: I think JD. Vans did a very good job, very

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Speaker 6: disciplined job of returning repeatedly to immigration, you know, the

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Speaker 6: soft underbelly of the Biden administration, and criticizing almost on

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Speaker 6: every issue some form of immigration impact and whether it

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Speaker 6: was on housing or the economy, national security. And so

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Speaker 6: he came with a plan, he executed his plan. Tim

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Speaker 6: Walls was Tim Walls. I mean, he got put on

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Speaker 6: this ticket because he was everybody's grandpa and you know,

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Speaker 6: the football coach showed up tonight, you know, and this

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Speaker 6: is clearly what the Harris campaign wants to present. It

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Speaker 6: was unpolished, rough on the edges sometimes, but I would

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Speaker 6: say delivered a lot of good hits against Donald Trump,

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Speaker 6: which was his job, and a very compelling final argument

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Speaker 6: on democracy and the twenty twenty elections at the end

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Speaker 6: of the debate. So, is anybody gonna, you know, stop

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Speaker 6: the momentum that the Harris campaign has right now? Probably not.

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Speaker 6: Are they going to augment the Trump campaign and somehow

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Speaker 6: probably not. Actually thought both of the candidates today on

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Speaker 6: this civility probably neutralized lot of the attacks.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Rick Davis and Jeanie Shanzana will be back

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Speaker 2: with us in just a moment right now that we

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Speaker 2: anriy Horder is joined by the Governor of Illinois, Henry.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Kaylie. And that's right, I'm joined

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Speaker 5: by the Governor of Illinois, Dab Pritzker, thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: So I just want to get your reaction to how

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Speaker 5: you thought Governor Walls did, I know it's someone you're

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Speaker 5: very friendly with.

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Speaker 1: Tim Walls did what Tim Walls does best, which is

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Speaker 1: he showed his heart, especially for middle class Americans, for

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Speaker 1: everyday Americans. It's what he believes in his heart, right,

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Speaker 1: standing up for the issues that matter most at the

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Speaker 1: kitchen table for most people, making sure that they have

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Speaker 1: the ability to retire, the ability to send their kids

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Speaker 1: That's what Tim Walls talked about throughout this debate. He

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Speaker 1: also stood up for people's individual freedoms. And then very

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Speaker 1: importantly at the end, I think you heard a very

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Speaker 1: important message, which is Tim Walls will live up to

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Speaker 1: the obligations the job of being vice president, the oath

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Speaker 1: that he would take if he became vice president. Where

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Speaker 1: his opponent would not even admit that Donald Trump lost

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election, and he was pressed on that.

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Speaker 1: So I think you got to look at the contrast

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Speaker 5: Do you think a VP debate, though, can move the needle?

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Speaker 5: I mean, you look at these polls, it's a nice edge.

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Speaker 5: This election neck and neck in all of these swing states.

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Speaker 5: a media market with them. Do you think a VP

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Speaker 1: it is, again, are you reaching and talking to everyday Americans,

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Speaker 1: you heard Tim Wallas talk about what the solutions are

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Speaker 1: to you and made a difference. That's who Tim Walls

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Speaker 5: One quick one finally, just on what's going on right

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Speaker 5: now with the DOC workers. Do you think the President

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Speaker 5: needs to enact TAFT Hartley to get these workers back

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Speaker 1: Look what he said and I believe it too, is

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Speaker 1: that working men and women have the right to organize

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Speaker 1: want to get safer workplaces, they have the right to

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Speaker 1: strike if they want. I also believe that the President

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Speaker 1: so that there's a real solution to this. So that's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. That happened with the UAW strike, it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen here. But standing up for the rights

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Speaker 1: those are things that really matter to this administration, and

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Speaker 1: I think we'll see a solution to this problem.

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Speaker 5: Governor, thank you so much for your time this even

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Speaker 5: thank you Kaylee Joe. Of course that was Governor J. B.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Talking to one of many surrogates

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Speaker 3: debate that we're going to get here, Tim Walls had

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Speaker 3: And then this line about being friends with school shooters,

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Speaker 4: That'll be probably the takeaway that gets a lot of

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Speaker 4: the social media coverage. I hope people also focus on

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Speaker 4: some of the other things Tim Waltz had to say.

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Speaker 4: Number one, when he said president's words matter. Throughout this debate,

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Speaker 4: we've been seeing Donald Trump live truth. I guess we

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Speaker 4: for the last year. He also pinned jd Vance down

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Speaker 4: on the question of did Donald Trump lose the twenty

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Speaker 4: so he had some important moments there where he reminded us,

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Speaker 4: this is Tim Waltz, and this is not really quite

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Speaker 4: frankly about jd Vance. This is about the two people

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Speaker 4: from that perspective, he was able to make the case

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Speaker 4: in a different vernacular. For sure, words we've probably never

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Speaker 4: people look beyond some of that, they're going to see

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Speaker 4: what he said does really have an impact on this race.

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Speaker 2: Well as we consider what was said there. Jade Vance

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump would veto a federal ban. Jd Vance was

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Speaker 2: talking about that during the debate. Donald Trump, in his

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Speaker 2: life play by play on True Social then said everyone

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Speaker 2: knows I would not support a federal abortion ban under

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Speaker 2: I just wonder, as Jade Vance was on that stage

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Speaker 6: Well, I think this all resonates around the massive gender

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Speaker 6: gap that exists in the selection. And by the way,

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Speaker 6: on both sides, right there's the largest female gender gap

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Speaker 6: gap that is the advantage of Donald Trump. And clearly

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump is super sensitive on this issue because he's

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Speaker 6: been all over the map on it. And I'm sure

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Speaker 6: I would say, into what is he actually endorsed, because

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Speaker 6: you know, the easy answer is, oh, well, we're just

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Speaker 6: going to let states deal with it. But then criticize

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Speaker 6: the governor Waltz's policies in the state. Well, if you're

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Speaker 6: letting states deal with it, then Minnesota to be able

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Speaker 2: Point out that jd Vance during the debate said he

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Speaker 2: never supported a federal abortion ban, but he did in

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Speaker 7: No, if you have it.

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Speaker 3: Look, they both have their moments here. Interesting to hear

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Speaker 3: as well. Walls asks about Trump. Did he lose the

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Speaker 3: Walls called that a damning non answer.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely right? And you know, I think both of

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Speaker 4: them did this repeatedly. They tried to drive a division

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Speaker 4: say it. And so that just underscores where we are

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Speaker 2: Well certainly, and this may be the only moments like

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Speaker 2: this of to sharing a debate stage we're going to

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Speaker 2: get over the next five weeks. With this performance from

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Speaker 2: jd Vance after the initial Donald Trump Kamala Harris debate,

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Speaker 6: For yeah, I really don't think. I mean jd Vance

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Speaker 6: but I don't think it has any impact on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump is afraid of getting on the stage. You know,

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Speaker 6: with Kamala Harris, he got man handled literally in the

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Speaker 6: don't think this changes anything in that construct. So I

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Speaker 6: think you're right, Kayleie. I think we've seen the last

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Speaker 6: slight advantage for Advance, but really no harm, no foul

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Speaker 3: On the top of the tickets, we're out of time here.

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Speaker 3: But does Donald Trump feel better about his pick tonight?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he probably does, and Maga probably likes him a

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Speaker 6: little bit better. So yeah, maybe his numbers even improve

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Speaker 6: a little bit, but not enough to move the ballot.

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Speaker 3: We've experienced another one with Rick and Genie many thanks

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Speaker 3: to our signature panel, Rick Davis Genie Shanzano as part

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Speaker 3: of our special coverage of the vice presidential debate on

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Speaker 3: CBS simulcast here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. I'm Joe

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Speaker 3: Matthew alongside Kaylee Lions. We'll be back from Washington. Kayley,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how we'll pull that off. At noontime tomorrow,

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Speaker 3: I'll meet you there.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, sounds good. In the meantime, have a good evening.

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