WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.519 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.119 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I said you want to 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:14.880 be stot in something, you got to be stot in something. Addition, 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.400 as Dave Lapham joins me to discuss our first day 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.960 at Bengals training camp in twenty twenty. Yes, we were 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.720 there on Thursday meeting. We got our first look at 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.680 Joe Burrow and a Bengals uniform, albeit from a distance. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.200 We'll share our observations about him, a j Green, Billy Price, 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.800 and a whole lot more. After that, I'll talk to 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.560 one of the most interesting stories on this year's roster, 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.120 Winston Rose. He was among the best players in the 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.519 Canadian Football League last year and now he's looking to 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.440 prove that he can make it in the NFL. The 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.680 Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Prime Sport, the official fan, 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.880 travel and hospitality partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.959 a quick reminder that you can add the latest edition 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.880 of this podcast delivered right to your phone, tablet, or 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:08.200 computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitch, your Google Play, Spotify, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:14.520 or pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since cauliflower tacos 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:19.160 with cashew krema. For many families, including mine. If there's 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.280 been a silver lining during the pandemic, it's been the 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.920 return of the nightly family dinner. 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Normally we 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.880 would be right on the sideline with the freedom to 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.720 get right up close to the drills. But I have 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.760 no complaints. It was great to be standing next to Lap, 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.520 well technically six feet away from Lap, with our masks on, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.000 watching Bengals football Lap. On Thursday, we were able to 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.440 attend practice a training camp for the first time, and 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.200 that meant we got our first ever look, at least 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:16.320 in a training cap atmosphere at quarterback Joe Burrow. What'd 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.480 you think? I was duly impressed in, you know, watching 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.200 him throw the football is really a beautiful site. Really 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.440 from a football standpoint. He's got a very tight spiral. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.760 He's extremely accurate with the football. His mechanics are very 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.360 very tight. When he decides to start a s throwing motion, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.160 to the conclusion of it, that ball is out and 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.480 you know, I noticed whenever he's taken drops from center 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.040 and taking his three step five step drop, stating and 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.840 throwing the football, he's always the first one to have 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.800 it out and that those tens of a second are 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.920 extremely important. A lot of times it's it's a difference 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.800 between you know, having a seventeen yard completion down the 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.920 football field and getting hit for a seven yard sack. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.760 I mean there are those. Every tenth is massive, and 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:06.040 he has a very very quick decision making process and 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.040 a delivery, and then when he gets it down the 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.800 football field, he's not making his receivers work. You know, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:13.880 they don't have to slow down to catch the football, 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.240 they don't have to overextend to catch the football. He's 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.719 hitting them in stride. I mean, he's not thrown into 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.360 bay windows. He's thrown into portholes. He's thrown into very 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.360 very tight windows. Reminds me a lot of Kenny Anderson. 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.320 You know, I've mentioned before that I'd worked at camp 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.160 with them in Connecticut. It's called the Offense Defense Camp, 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.880 and he would just want to work on his throwing, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.200 you know, just get some throws in, keep that arm limber. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.800 And it was unbelievable. I'd be twenty five thirty yards 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.039 away from and he'd throw it and he'd say right shoulder, boom, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.240 naval boom, left shoulder, you know, right hip, and hit 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.880 those spots even though they're so close together. My hands 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:53.960 would be right there in the ball would be at 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.440 that spot. He was. He was unbelievable. And boy, if 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.719 Joe Burrow can play as long as Kenny didn't have 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.360 the accuracy Kenny did and everything else that Kenny Anderson did, 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:05.960 I think the Bengals would be extremely happy. He reminded 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.640 me a lot watching old fourteen slinging a little bit. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:13.960 That is obviously very high praise, especially considering how close 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:16.960 you are to Ken Anderson. We should clarify he was 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.520 not throwing against defenses. He is throwing on air, as 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.120 they say, so really all you can determine from watching 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.920 that is how does the throw look, how quickly does 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.640 he get it out, etc. And just based on how 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.840 much he could impress us. He was very impressive. He 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.720 was dan And you know the thing that the receivers 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:38.040 used to I hear receivers all the time when they 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.440 talk about Kenny Man his ball so catchable. It's like 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.840 it's like a mattress. It's so soft, man. It comes 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.720 in there and it's not going to dislocate your fingers, 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:51.240 break your fingers. You know, it's he's not gonna you know, 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.279 split your the webbing in your finger. I mean, I've 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.960 seen guys receivers actually have the webbing in their fingers 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.800 split catching fastballs from these guys who are trying to 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.400 throw the ball through the wall. You know, and I'm 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.719 not saying that, you know, a strong arms not good. 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.479 But you know, Kenny's arm was plenty strong enough. I 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.400 think Joe's is going to be plenty strong enough. Why 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.320 because they put it in such tight spots. I mean, 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:15.520 they know where they're going to football. They're putting into 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.800 such a spot the defense has very little time to 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.760 react to it, you know. I mean, I think accuracy 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.880 makes up for a lot of things, including you know, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.560 maybe a little bit less arm strength. But they have 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.080 plenty enough arm strength, and receivers appreciate the fact that 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.480 they can pluck the football. They don't have to catch 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.920 it and give and be in pain doing it. You know, 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.960 It's it's very easy for him. It's just like you know, 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.400 picking cotton. They're out there just picking fruit. You know, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.840 it's like it's just pick. They're picking footballs out of 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.800 the air. It's very easy. They're just plucking it. So 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.680 there are four quarterbacks in training camp, and as we 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.640 watch these drills, Joe Burrow would go first, Ryan Finley 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.479 sack and Jake Dolagala third, and then the fourth guy 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.560 was very interesting to watch Brandon Allen, the quarterback who 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.240 started a couple of games for the Denver Broncos last year, 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.120 because he is definitely being quarantined, at least in a 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.040 sense at practice. Yeah, he is. I don't know. I 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.520 guess they're probably keeping him pretty isolated in the building 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.120 because he's being as isolated as possible on the football field. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.600 He never got in a huddle, Dan, He never set 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:17.760 the huddle, never called a play in the huddle, never 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.120 broke the huddle, never came to the line of scrimmage 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:23.200 with the team and executed a play. The other three 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.960 quarterbacks all took turns in rotation of running plays. And 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.880 four quarterbacks, that's hard to get a lot of equal snaps. 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.160 It's impossible, and you want to get Joe as many 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.080 as you can at some point in time. So divving 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:39.120 up four quarterbacks snaps in an hour practice is tough. 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:42.960 So the way they're doing it, and it serves multiple purposes, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.640 is they're quarantining him as such, like you say, keeping 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.680 him behind all that action. He's back there with the 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.840 coaches and the other players. And then he goes through. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.600 Here's the call. They break the huddle, goes to the 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.520 line of scrimmage. He's acting like he's under center, takes 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:59.680 the snap, and then he goes through his progression. He 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.800 does his footwork on a running play. I saw him 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.440 doing the reverse pivots footwork, all that sort of thing. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.240 Quarterbacks getting out of pocket on bootleg. He's doing that, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.680 and then he's simulating a throw though throwing motion, not 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.040 throwing the football. That was some of the time. Other 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.400 times he would throw the football, he'd throw the football 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.720 to another receiver. He'd see who the quarterback was throwing too. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.200 You know, there's three or four options on every route. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.240 He'd get out of pocket, run behind the quarterback, so 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.440 he had the exact same vantage point as the quarterback. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:29.920 When it was out of pocket, quarterback would hit one, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.559 he'd go to the intermediate with quarterback. When deep, he'd 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.760 go short, just the opposite so quarterbacks are getting more work, 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.360 receivers are getting more work, they're running their routes, and 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.560 it's not just you know, running around and not getting rewarded. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.160 Two guys are catching the football instead of one. More 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.959 quarterbacks are. You know, he's getting tons of reps mental 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.719 reps because he's doing it with every guy. And then 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.440 he stayed after practice to getting more physical work and 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.600 throw the ball after practice more. So it was very 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.840 interesting to watch how they're doing that kind of thing. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.400 And he's got a pretty good understanding Zack's offense anyway, 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.400 having been involved with that concept offensively before. So very interesting. 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.760 In order to be able to watch practice on Thursday, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.600 we had to pass three COVID nineteen tests in a 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:14.640 five day period Saturday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. We are also 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:20.880 wearing connection ki n e x O N devices at practice, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:25.959 and these are little flashing devices. If we get within 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.640 six feet of certain employees, they start flashing and beeping. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.440 If we get within ten feet of other employees, they 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.360 start flashing and beeping. So obviously the NFL is being 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:42.680 very careful about people potentially passing the virus from one 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.840 person to the next. Additionally, at practice, we were behind 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.040 one of the end zones on a platform quite a 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.200 long distance away from the actions, so some drills you 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:56.800 can see well, others you can't. Fortunately, the wide receivers 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.160 got very close to us and we got a great 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.720 look at aj Green. We really did Dan and man, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:06.800 he looks world class to me. I mean, to me, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.160 he could be on an Olympic track and field team 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.000 watching that guy. It is. He worked. It's obvious he 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.240 works so hard in the offseason. I can remember what 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.640 he looked like in Cleveland at the end of last 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.400 year running routes down in the field before the game, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.920 like a good iro and a half poor kickoff, and 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:26.080 he looked so smooth and explosive coming out of his routes. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.480 He's even even more so now. I mean, he's worked 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:34.320 so hard and he's in tremendous shape, and man, it's 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.640 like he's the if you look look up fluidity in 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.319 Webster's his pictures right there. In terms of running routes, 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:46.960 it's unbelievable to watch him effortless. It's really it's it's 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.320 it's like watching a professional dancer do his thing. He 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.640 gets in and out of cuts so well at his 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.280 height to do the things that he does. The separation 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.520 and he gets and then catching the football. You know, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.560 they were running routes and like end zone crossers down 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:05.719 in front of us and he just when he catches it, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.040 it doesn't make any noise. It's it's silent. He just 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.880 plucks it. It's it's like it it gets absorbed into 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.720 an amba or something. I mean, where does that football go? 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:17.559 And and he only he flashes his hands up there 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.400 and it's it's out of the air. It's it snatches it. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.600 It's it's just it's amazing to watch him just snag 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.760 a football the way he does it, and his skill 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.440 set is definitely off the charts. And I'm rooting for 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.800 him big time. I know, as every Bengal fan is there, 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.280 you know he's he's on a one year deal. He's 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.600 on a one year proved deal. Mike Daniels on a 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:39.800 one year proved deal. You know, these guys, they're they're 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.120 playing for something. They're playing for their playing for a 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.440 continuation of their career. They're planning to provide for their families. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.360 They're planning for personal pride, and nobody has more personal 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:55.240 pride than Adril Jeremiah Green. As you call him. And 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.480 AJ is not the only guy who got into tiptop shape. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:00.560 I mean he's always in tiptop shape. But a couple 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.360 of guys who stood out from where we were for 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:09.480 transforming their physiques linebacker Jordan Evans and offensive lineman Billy Price. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.720 There's no doubt. And uh, you know it's it's Billy 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:19.000 Price obviously realized that that coach Turner likes big bodies, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.120 particularly inside. He likes the big body type. So Billy 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.439 he looks every bit of three twenty five, three thirty. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.360 He's put on put on some so and it's not sloppy, 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.560 it's it's he's stick. I mean, it's it's good weight. 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.240 He's blown up, there's no question about it. But you know, 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.520 as as a teammate and as a coach, his reaction 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.080 is what's your hope for instead of sulking poor me, 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.720 feeling sorry for yourself assuming the fetal position. All right, 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:48.440 I can either accept this or I'm going to do 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:50.880 something about it. He did something about it, So he's 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.960 he changed himself, changed himself physically. Is that what it's 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.680 going to take? I mean, obviously, Billy Price another prideful guy, 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.160 and it hasn't gone with injury and other reasons, hasn't 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.680 gone the way he's wanted it to to this point 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.280 in time. But he's not quitting on it. He's going 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.920 to try to do something about it and see if 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.280 he can, you know, restart it and reboot and and uh, 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.840 you know, the new and improved, the different Billy Price. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.040 Look at Billy Price and Jordan Evans is definitely trimmed. 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:19.280 I mean, Jordan Evans played on the back end in 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:23.120 high school. Jordan Evans played defensive back and just kept 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:24.680 you know, he's got a big frame and just kept 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.920 growing and growing. His dad was a great player at 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.240 Oklahoma as well, and he knew Jordan was going to 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:32.920 be a bigger guy eventually. And now he's decided that 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:34.760 he was going to trim down a little bit, lose 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:36.640 some of the maybe a little bit of body fat. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.600 But he looks good. He looks good out there running 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:42.080 around at that number fifty fifty Jersey On, you know, 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.400 so Jonah Williams, you know, we got to look at 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.679 him as well. Jonah's redone himself, So it's good. I mean, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:51.000 guys have put the work in, and when you put 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.560 the work in in the offseason and particularly with the 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.240 COVID nineteen. You know, it wasn't easy. Like Mike Daniels 0:13:57.400 --> 0:14:00.280 built a gym in his house, tore it down, you know, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.880 moved it from Michigan to Green Bay, rebuilt it. I mean, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:09.400 guys are are making commitments and fighting through adversity and 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:10.800 all that sort of thing. And it's good to see 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.800 you guys doing that and trying to make twenty twenties 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.360 as good as season as they possibly can for themselves 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.840 in their football team. The Billy Price situation is interesting 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.320 to me because when you look at projections of the 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.960 Bengals starting offensive line, I haven't seen Billy Price listed. 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.760 Trey Hopkins got a contract extension. I think we assume 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.040 he's going to be the starting center. They signed Xavier 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.400 Sue of Philo to potentially be the starting right guard. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:41.240 But clearly, in Billy Price's mind, he's not conceding any 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.200 of that, whether it's winning the center position back or 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.840 beating out Xavier Sue of Philo and others to be 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:51.360 the right guard. Billy Price showed up with the intention 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.440 of winning a starting job back, no doubt about it, Dan, 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:57.200 you know, and he and Michael Jordan probably going to 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.120 be in a pretty good battle at that left guard spot. 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.200 Former Buckey's both of them, Michael Jordan's a much different 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.680 body type Mike Jordan. Michael Jordan's got the length and strength. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.200 Billy Price has the strength, not as much the length. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.960 So you know that's that's what he's fighting. I think 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.920 as much staying. But you know what, there's nothing wrong 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.640 with being number six, particularly if you're the best at 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.160 if you're the number one guy at center, in both guards, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.200 the chances of all three guys playing every snap for 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:29.880 sixteen games, you know, in a perfect world, great, it 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.840 doesn't always happen. So you don't want to go from 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.320 you'd like to go one to one A, not one 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:39.440 to off the depth chart, like what's this guy? You 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.000 can coaches like, how are we gonna win with this 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.640 guy at the position? So you want to be and 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.720 you don't want to let your teammates down if a 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.120 starter goes down. You don't want to be a guy 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.000 to come run into the huddle all your team is going, 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.240 oh jesus, this guy, I mean, we got no shot. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.480 You don't want to be that guy. You want to 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.360 you want to be a guy like, hey, I'm as good. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.480 You know. It's it's just it's all us a flip 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.120 of the coin. Guys. I can play. I'm not going 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.120 to let us down. I can show you I can play. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.840 There's nothing wrong in a perfect You want to have 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.960 eight linemen that you can rely on to play and 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.120 not have any qualms whatsort of one wine coach. Just 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.080 go out there and play right tackle, You're fine. Let's 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.600 go out there and play left guard. You're fine. That's 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.280 what you want to have. You want to be able 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.400 to have and still be able to operate not miss 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.560 a beat. So Billy's going to provide that. One thing 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.600 I've enjoyed over the years at training camp, and I 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.960 know you have too, is the opportunity to walk up 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.160 to team president Mike Brown and pick his brain and 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.480 listen to his stories. And it's always enjoyable to spend 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.640 some time with Mike in this environment. Not sure we're 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.440 going to get the chance to do that this training 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.640 camp because he positions himself between the practice field so 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.560 he can swivel and watch drills in all directions. But 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.520 it was interesting to see him in the year twenty 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:57.400 twenty wearing a mask watching a football practice. The number 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.600 of decades that he's been involved in football is staggering, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.720 you know, I mean as a player and uh, and 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.520 now all the way up to being an owner. It's 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.359 got to be from the forties. You know, I'm not 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.560 I'm not thinking late thirties. I don't know. I don't. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.560 I don't think he goes back and going back that far, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.840 he's what eighty four, I mean he could be. I mean, 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:22.159 I know he's in training camp in the forties. You know, 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:27.639 so forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, twenty tens, twenty, 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:32.919 that's unbelievable. That's a lifetime of football. And he's still 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:37.760 you know, every every training camp it's like Christmas. Every 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.560 training camp to him is like, Okay, let's let's unwrap 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.360 the presents. Look at oh, we we think we did 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.560 a good job. Santa Claus was good to us, and 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.639 uh in free agency, in the draft, we think we 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.280 have some good press. We have some good items. Okay, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.000 let's unwrap them. Let's see if there's assembly required or 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.879 are they a finished product or do we have to 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.000 develop them and assemble them a little bit, or do 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:00.679 we have to move him you know too well, what 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:02.800 are we going to do with these things? Are? Are 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.120 they just plug and play? Do we have to move 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.440 people around? We have to change the way we operate 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.760 from a philosophical standpoint or schematic standpoint. And he loves 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.560 all that stuff. He loves he loves to see the 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.199 beginning stages offseason obviously of putting it all together and 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.919 then seeing it start to unfold on the field and 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.480 the evolution and development all that. He's a very intelligent man, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.119 as we know, and that that whole dynamic fascinates Mike Brown. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.200 You know, all the trying to meld all the different personalities, 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.600 the different quirks, the different everything. I mean, you know, 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.960 you're taking you're taking people from all walks of life 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.080 in terms of their background when they grew up and 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.520 putting them all under one roof and trying to make 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.359 a football team out of them. One more topic, and 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.560 that's Mike Daniels. On last week's podcast, I brought up 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:57.399 the possibility of signing Demata Peco to add depth on 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.720 the defensive line. They had lost Josh Tupo who opted out. 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.800 Ryan Glasgow got cut after failing the physical and when 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.760 I brought up Domata. You said, well, I wouldn't completely 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.840 rule it out, but I don't think he would be 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.399 at the top of their list of options. Well, you 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.000 were right. They went out and got Mike Daniels, four 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.040 years younger, a better player. He's been a pro bowler. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.840 He was on the top one hundred list from his 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.960 peers three years in a row, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:27.120 To me, that really again represents a change in how 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.119 the Bengals are operating. I think in the Marvin Lewis 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.680 era particularly, they would have gone out and gotten Domata Peco, 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.760 known quality, great guy. They love him, they know him, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.680 he knows the system. It's comfortable, he's comfortable. Instead, they 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.719 go out and get the better player, the more expensive player, 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.520 the younger player, and in my opinion, the guy that's 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:48.960 going to be able to help them a heck of 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:51.600 a lot more. I agree with all that, Dan, and 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.360 I'll guarantee you that Mike Daniels wanted more than two 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.240 point seven or two point eight million dollars and he 0:19:56.280 --> 0:20:00.879 wanted a longer contract, but they got it done, and 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.800 I think he he is the aj green of the defense. 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:09.679 Two Pro Bowls seventeen and eighteen injured nineteen You know 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.560 you injured part of eighteen injured nineteen year and a 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:15.240 half he's lost due to injury. Aj Green year and 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.840 a half lost due to injury. Pro Bowl high caliber, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.040 Top one hundred player who has missed a year and 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.840 a half. A one year show me contract. One on offense, 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.199 one on defense. You know one skill player you know 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.359 at the receiver position, one of the best in league. 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.520 The other one in the trenches. You know a black 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:38.879 and blue guy. You know, it's just gonna you know, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.560 Malia he Dan watching tape of this guy when he 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.440 was at his best. He inverts an offensive line penetration disruption. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:50.280 Oh my gosh, man, he was. He's a load. He 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.919 and Geno Atkins. You know, he talked about it on 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.040 his on his zoom conference called that he and Gino 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.240 have kind of texted and fantasized about playing together for 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:05.560 a while. Now Here it is. Here it is, and man, 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.000 you throw Daniel in it as well. Gosh, man, I'm 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.960 telling you that's name me another defensive tackle. Three man 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.919 defensive tackle rotation. There are other good ones in the league, 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.960 but man, Bengals got nothing to be embarrassed about. Rolling 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:23.560 those three beasts out there. Okase you missed it. Lapp 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.240 and I did a live training camp report with practice 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.240