1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I said you want to 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: be stot in something, you got to be stot in something. Addition, 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: as Dave Lapham joins me to discuss our first day 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: at Bengals training camp in twenty twenty. Yes, we were 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: there on Thursday meeting. We got our first look at 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and a Bengals uniform, albeit from a distance. 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: We'll share our observations about him, a j Green, Billy Price, 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. After that, I'll talk to 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: one of the most interesting stories on this year's roster, 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: Winston Rose. He was among the best players in the 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: Canadian Football League last year and now he's looking to 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: prove that he can make it in the NFL. The 14 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Prime Sport, the official fan, 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: travel and hospitality partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. 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Then on Thursday morning, 41 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: we entered the practice field through a separate gait and 42 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: watched from a platform behind one of the end zones, 43 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: never getting close to a player or coach. Normally we 44 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: would be right on the sideline with the freedom to 45 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: get right up close to the drills. But I have 46 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: no complaints. It was great to be standing next to Lap, 47 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: well technically six feet away from Lap, with our masks on, 48 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: watching Bengals football Lap. On Thursday, we were able to 49 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: attend practice a training camp for the first time, and 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: that meant we got our first ever look, at least 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: in a training cap atmosphere at quarterback Joe Burrow. What'd 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: you think? I was duly impressed in, you know, watching 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: him throw the football is really a beautiful site. Really 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: from a football standpoint. He's got a very tight spiral. 55 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: He's extremely accurate with the football. His mechanics are very 56 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: very tight. When he decides to start a s throwing motion, 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: to the conclusion of it, that ball is out and 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, I noticed whenever he's taken drops from center 59 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and taking his three step five step drop, stating and 60 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: throwing the football, he's always the first one to have 61 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: it out and that those tens of a second are 62 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: extremely important. A lot of times it's it's a difference 63 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: between you know, having a seventeen yard completion down the 64 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: football field and getting hit for a seven yard sack. 65 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean there are those. Every tenth is massive, and 66 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: he has a very very quick decision making process and 67 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: a delivery, and then when he gets it down the 68 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: football field, he's not making his receivers work. You know, 69 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: they don't have to slow down to catch the football, 70 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: they don't have to overextend to catch the football. He's 71 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: hitting them in stride. I mean, he's not thrown into 72 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: bay windows. He's thrown into portholes. He's thrown into very 73 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: very tight windows. Reminds me a lot of Kenny Anderson. 74 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: You know, I've mentioned before that I'd worked at camp 75 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: with them in Connecticut. It's called the Offense Defense Camp, 76 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: and he would just want to work on his throwing, 77 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, just get some throws in, keep that arm limber. 78 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: And it was unbelievable. I'd be twenty five thirty yards 79 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: away from and he'd throw it and he'd say right shoulder, boom, 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: naval boom, left shoulder, you know, right hip, and hit 81 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: those spots even though they're so close together. My hands 82 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: would be right there in the ball would be at 83 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: that spot. He was. He was unbelievable. And boy, if 84 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow can play as long as Kenny didn't have 85 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: the accuracy Kenny did and everything else that Kenny Anderson did, 86 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals would be extremely happy. He reminded 87 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: me a lot watching old fourteen slinging a little bit. 88 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: That is obviously very high praise, especially considering how close 89 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: you are to Ken Anderson. We should clarify he was 90 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: not throwing against defenses. He is throwing on air, as 91 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: they say, so really all you can determine from watching 92 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: that is how does the throw look, how quickly does 93 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: he get it out, etc. And just based on how 94 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: much he could impress us. He was very impressive. He 95 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: was dan And you know the thing that the receivers 96 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: used to I hear receivers all the time when they 97 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: talk about Kenny Man his ball so catchable. It's like 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: it's like a mattress. It's so soft, man. It comes 99 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: in there and it's not going to dislocate your fingers, 100 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: break your fingers. You know, it's he's not gonna you know, 101 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: split your the webbing in your finger. I mean, I've 102 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: seen guys receivers actually have the webbing in their fingers 103 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: split catching fastballs from these guys who are trying to 104 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: throw the ball through the wall. You know, and I'm 105 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: not saying that, you know, a strong arms not good. 106 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: But you know, Kenny's arm was plenty strong enough. I 107 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: think Joe's is going to be plenty strong enough. Why 108 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: because they put it in such tight spots. I mean, 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: they know where they're going to football. They're putting into 110 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: such a spot the defense has very little time to 111 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: react to it, you know. I mean, I think accuracy 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: makes up for a lot of things, including you know, 113 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit less arm strength. But they have 114 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: plenty enough arm strength, and receivers appreciate the fact that 115 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: they can pluck the football. They don't have to catch 116 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: it and give and be in pain doing it. You know, 117 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: It's it's very easy for him. It's just like you know, 118 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: picking cotton. They're out there just picking fruit. You know, 119 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like it's just pick. They're picking footballs out of 120 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: the air. It's very easy. They're just plucking it. So 121 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: there are four quarterbacks in training camp, and as we 122 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: watch these drills, Joe Burrow would go first, Ryan Finley 123 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: sack and Jake Dolagala third, and then the fourth guy 124 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: was very interesting to watch Brandon Allen, the quarterback who 125 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: started a couple of games for the Denver Broncos last year, 126 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: because he is definitely being quarantined, at least in a 127 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: sense at practice. Yeah, he is. I don't know. I 128 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: guess they're probably keeping him pretty isolated in the building 129 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: because he's being as isolated as possible on the football field. 130 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: He never got in a huddle, Dan, He never set 131 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: the huddle, never called a play in the huddle, never 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: broke the huddle, never came to the line of scrimmage 133 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: with the team and executed a play. The other three 134 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks all took turns in rotation of running plays. And 135 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks, that's hard to get a lot of equal snaps. 136 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: It's impossible, and you want to get Joe as many 137 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: as you can at some point in time. So divving 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: up four quarterbacks snaps in an hour practice is tough. 139 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: So the way they're doing it, and it serves multiple purposes, 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: is they're quarantining him as such, like you say, keeping 141 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: him behind all that action. He's back there with the 142 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: coaches and the other players. And then he goes through. 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: Here's the call. They break the huddle, goes to the 144 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He's acting like he's under center, takes 145 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: the snap, and then he goes through his progression. He 146 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: does his footwork on a running play. I saw him 147 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: doing the reverse pivots footwork, all that sort of thing. 148 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: Quarterbacks getting out of pocket on bootleg. He's doing that, 149 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: and then he's simulating a throw though throwing motion, not 150 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: throwing the football. That was some of the time. Other 151 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: times he would throw the football, he'd throw the football 152 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: to another receiver. He'd see who the quarterback was throwing too. 153 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: You know, there's three or four options on every route. 154 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: He'd get out of pocket, run behind the quarterback, so 155 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: he had the exact same vantage point as the quarterback. 156 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: When it was out of pocket, quarterback would hit one, 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: he'd go to the intermediate with quarterback. When deep, he'd 158 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: go short, just the opposite so quarterbacks are getting more work, 159 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: receivers are getting more work, they're running their routes, and 160 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: it's not just you know, running around and not getting rewarded. 161 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: Two guys are catching the football instead of one. More 162 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are. You know, he's getting tons of reps mental 163 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,719 Speaker 1: reps because he's doing it with every guy. And then 164 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: he stayed after practice to getting more physical work and 165 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: throw the ball after practice more. So it was very 166 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: interesting to watch how they're doing that kind of thing. 167 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: And he's got a pretty good understanding Zack's offense anyway, 168 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: having been involved with that concept offensively before. So very interesting. 169 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: In order to be able to watch practice on Thursday, 170 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: we had to pass three COVID nineteen tests in a 171 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: five day period Saturday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. We are also 172 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: wearing connection ki n e x O N devices at practice, 173 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: and these are little flashing devices. If we get within 174 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: six feet of certain employees, they start flashing and beeping. 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: If we get within ten feet of other employees, they 176 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: start flashing and beeping. So obviously the NFL is being 177 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 1: very careful about people potentially passing the virus from one 178 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: person to the next. Additionally, at practice, we were behind 179 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: one of the end zones on a platform quite a 180 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: long distance away from the actions, so some drills you 181 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: can see well, others you can't. Fortunately, the wide receivers 182 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: got very close to us and we got a great 183 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: look at aj Green. We really did Dan and man, 184 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: he looks world class to me. I mean, to me, 185 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: he could be on an Olympic track and field team 186 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: watching that guy. It is. He worked. It's obvious he 187 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: works so hard in the offseason. I can remember what 188 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: he looked like in Cleveland at the end of last 189 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: year running routes down in the field before the game, 190 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: like a good iro and a half poor kickoff, and 191 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: he looked so smooth and explosive coming out of his routes. 192 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: He's even even more so now. I mean, he's worked 193 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: so hard and he's in tremendous shape, and man, it's 194 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: like he's the if you look look up fluidity in 195 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: Webster's his pictures right there. In terms of running routes, 196 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to watch him effortless. It's really it's it's 197 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: it's like watching a professional dancer do his thing. He 198 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: gets in and out of cuts so well at his 199 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: height to do the things that he does. The separation 200 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: and he gets and then catching the football. You know, 201 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: they were running routes and like end zone crossers down 202 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: in front of us and he just when he catches it, 203 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't make any noise. It's it's silent. He just 204 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: plucks it. It's it's like it it gets absorbed into 205 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: an amba or something. I mean, where does that football go? 206 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: And and he only he flashes his hands up there 207 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: and it's it's out of the air. It's it snatches it. 208 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: It's it's just it's amazing to watch him just snag 209 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: a football the way he does it, and his skill 210 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: set is definitely off the charts. And I'm rooting for 211 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: him big time. I know, as every Bengal fan is there, 212 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: you know he's he's on a one year deal. He's 213 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: on a one year proved deal. Mike Daniels on a 214 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: one year proved deal. You know, these guys, they're they're 215 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: playing for something. They're playing for their playing for a 216 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: continuation of their career. They're planning to provide for their families. 217 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: They're planning for personal pride, and nobody has more personal 218 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: pride than Adril Jeremiah Green. As you call him. And 219 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: AJ is not the only guy who got into tiptop shape. 220 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: I mean he's always in tiptop shape. But a couple 221 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: of guys who stood out from where we were for 222 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: transforming their physiques linebacker Jordan Evans and offensive lineman Billy Price. 223 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. And uh, you know it's it's Billy 224 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: Price obviously realized that that coach Turner likes big bodies, 225 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: particularly inside. He likes the big body type. So Billy 226 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 1: he looks every bit of three twenty five, three thirty. 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: He's put on put on some so and it's not sloppy, 228 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: it's it's he's stick. I mean, it's it's good weight. 229 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: He's blown up, there's no question about it. But you know, 230 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: as as a teammate and as a coach, his reaction 231 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: is what's your hope for instead of sulking poor me, 232 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: feeling sorry for yourself assuming the fetal position. All right, 233 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: I can either accept this or I'm going to do 234 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: something about it. He did something about it, So he's 235 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: he changed himself, changed himself physically. Is that what it's 236 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: going to take? I mean, obviously, Billy Price another prideful guy, 237 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: and it hasn't gone with injury and other reasons, hasn't 238 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: gone the way he's wanted it to to this point 239 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: in time. But he's not quitting on it. He's going 240 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: to try to do something about it and see if 241 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: he can, you know, restart it and reboot and and uh, 242 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: you know, the new and improved, the different Billy Price. 243 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Look at Billy Price and Jordan Evans is definitely trimmed. 244 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Evans played on the back end in 245 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: high school. Jordan Evans played defensive back and just kept 246 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a big frame and just kept 247 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: growing and growing. His dad was a great player at 248 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Oklahoma as well, and he knew Jordan was going to 249 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: be a bigger guy eventually. And now he's decided that 250 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: he was going to trim down a little bit, lose 251 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: some of the maybe a little bit of body fat. 252 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: But he looks good. He looks good out there running 253 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: around at that number fifty fifty Jersey On, you know, 254 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: so Jonah Williams, you know, we got to look at 255 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: him as well. Jonah's redone himself, So it's good. I mean, 256 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: guys have put the work in, and when you put 257 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: the work in in the offseason and particularly with the 258 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. You know, it wasn't easy. Like Mike Daniels 259 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: built a gym in his house, tore it down, you know, 260 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: moved it from Michigan to Green Bay, rebuilt it. I mean, 261 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: guys are are making commitments and fighting through adversity and 262 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. And it's good to see 263 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: you guys doing that and trying to make twenty twenties 264 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: as good as season as they possibly can for themselves 265 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: in their football team. The Billy Price situation is interesting 266 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: to me because when you look at projections of the 267 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Bengals starting offensive line, I haven't seen Billy Price listed. 268 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins got a contract extension. I think we assume 269 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: he's going to be the starting center. They signed Xavier 270 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Sue of Philo to potentially be the starting right guard. 271 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: But clearly, in Billy Price's mind, he's not conceding any 272 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: of that, whether it's winning the center position back or 273 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: beating out Xavier Sue of Philo and others to be 274 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: the right guard. Billy Price showed up with the intention 275 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: of winning a starting job back, no doubt about it, Dan, 276 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, and he and Michael Jordan probably going to 277 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: be in a pretty good battle at that left guard spot. 278 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: Former Buckey's both of them, Michael Jordan's a much different 279 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: body type Mike Jordan. Michael Jordan's got the length and strength. 280 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: Billy Price has the strength, not as much the length. 281 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: So you know that's that's what he's fighting. I think 282 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: as much staying. But you know what, there's nothing wrong 283 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: with being number six, particularly if you're the best at 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: if you're the number one guy at center, in both guards, 285 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the chances of all three guys playing every snap for 286 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: sixteen games, you know, in a perfect world, great, it 287 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: doesn't always happen. So you don't want to go from 288 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: you'd like to go one to one A, not one 289 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: to off the depth chart, like what's this guy? You 290 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: can coaches like, how are we gonna win with this 291 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: guy at the position? So you want to be and 292 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to let your teammates down if a 293 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: starter goes down. You don't want to be a guy 294 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: to come run into the huddle all your team is going, 295 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: oh jesus, this guy, I mean, we got no shot. 296 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: You don't want to be that guy. You want to 297 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: you want to be a guy like, hey, I'm as good. 298 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: You know. It's it's just it's all us a flip 299 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: of the coin. Guys. I can play. I'm not going 300 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: to let us down. I can show you I can play. 301 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong in a perfect You want to have 302 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: eight linemen that you can rely on to play and 303 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: not have any qualms whatsort of one wine coach. Just 304 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: go out there and play right tackle, You're fine. Let's 305 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: go out there and play left guard. You're fine. That's 306 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: what you want to have. You want to be able 307 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: to have and still be able to operate not miss 308 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: a beat. So Billy's going to provide that. One thing 309 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: I've enjoyed over the years at training camp, and I 310 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: know you have too, is the opportunity to walk up 311 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: to team president Mike Brown and pick his brain and 312 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: listen to his stories. And it's always enjoyable to spend 313 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: some time with Mike in this environment. Not sure we're 314 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: going to get the chance to do that this training 315 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: camp because he positions himself between the practice field so 316 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: he can swivel and watch drills in all directions. But 317 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: it was interesting to see him in the year twenty 318 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: twenty wearing a mask watching a football practice. The number 319 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: of decades that he's been involved in football is staggering, 320 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: you know, I mean as a player and uh, and 321 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: now all the way up to being an owner. It's 322 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: got to be from the forties. You know, I'm not 323 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking late thirties. I don't know. I don't. 324 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he goes back and going back that far, 325 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: he's what eighty four, I mean he could be. I mean, 326 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: I know he's in training camp in the forties. You know, 327 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: so forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, twenty tens, twenty, 328 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. That's a lifetime of football. And he's still 329 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, every every training camp it's like Christmas. Every 330 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: training camp to him is like, Okay, let's let's unwrap 331 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: the presents. Look at oh, we we think we did 332 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: a good job. Santa Claus was good to us, and 333 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: uh in free agency, in the draft, we think we 334 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: have some good press. We have some good items. Okay, 335 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: let's unwrap them. Let's see if there's assembly required or 336 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: are they a finished product or do we have to 337 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: develop them and assemble them a little bit, or do 338 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: we have to move him you know too well, what 339 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: are we going to do with these things? Are? Are 340 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: they just plug and play? Do we have to move 341 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: people around? We have to change the way we operate 342 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: from a philosophical standpoint or schematic standpoint. And he loves 343 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: all that stuff. He loves he loves to see the 344 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 1: beginning stages offseason obviously of putting it all together and 345 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 1: then seeing it start to unfold on the field and 346 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: the evolution and development all that. He's a very intelligent man, 347 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: as we know, and that that whole dynamic fascinates Mike Brown. 348 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: You know, all the trying to meld all the different personalities, 349 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: the different quirks, the different everything. I mean, you know, 350 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: you're taking you're taking people from all walks of life 351 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: in terms of their background when they grew up and 352 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: putting them all under one roof and trying to make 353 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: a football team out of them. One more topic, and 354 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: that's Mike Daniels. On last week's podcast, I brought up 355 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: the possibility of signing Demata Peco to add depth on 356 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: the defensive line. They had lost Josh Tupo who opted out. 357 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: Ryan Glasgow got cut after failing the physical and when 358 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: I brought up Domata. You said, well, I wouldn't completely 359 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: rule it out, but I don't think he would be 360 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: at the top of their list of options. Well, you 361 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: were right. They went out and got Mike Daniels, four 362 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: years younger, a better player. He's been a pro bowler. 363 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: He was on the top one hundred list from his 364 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: peers three years in a row, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen. 365 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: To me, that really again represents a change in how 366 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the Bengals are operating. I think in the Marvin Lewis 367 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: era particularly, they would have gone out and gotten Domata Peco, 368 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: known quality, great guy. They love him, they know him, 369 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: he knows the system. It's comfortable, he's comfortable. Instead, they 370 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 1: go out and get the better player, the more expensive player, 371 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the younger player, and in my opinion, the guy that's 372 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: going to be able to help them a heck of 373 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: a lot more. I agree with all that, Dan, and 374 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you that Mike Daniels wanted more than two 375 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: point seven or two point eight million dollars and he 376 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: wanted a longer contract, but they got it done, and 377 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: I think he he is the aj green of the defense. 378 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: Two Pro Bowls seventeen and eighteen injured nineteen You know 379 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: you injured part of eighteen injured nineteen year and a 380 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: half he's lost due to injury. Aj Green year and 381 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: a half lost due to injury. Pro Bowl high caliber, 382 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: Top one hundred player who has missed a year and 383 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: a half. A one year show me contract. One on offense, 384 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: one on defense. You know one skill player you know 385 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: at the receiver position, one of the best in league. 386 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: The other one in the trenches. You know a black 387 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: and blue guy. You know, it's just gonna you know, 388 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: Malia he Dan watching tape of this guy when he 389 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: was at his best. He inverts an offensive line penetration disruption. 390 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, he was. He's a load. He 391 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: and Geno Atkins. You know, he talked about it on 392 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: his on his zoom conference called that he and Gino 393 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: have kind of texted and fantasized about playing together for 394 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: a while. Now Here it is. Here it is, and man, 395 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: you throw Daniel in it as well. Gosh, man, I'm 396 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: telling you that's name me another defensive tackle. Three man 397 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: defensive tackle rotation. There are other good ones in the league, 398 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: but man, Bengals got nothing to be embarrassed about. Rolling 399 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: those three beasts out there. Okase you missed it. Lapp 400 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: and I did a live training camp report with practice 401 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: video on Thursday, and we'll be doing two a week 402 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: for the rest of training camp. Our next live report 403 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: will be on Tuesday afternoon, which will be the first 404 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: day that the team is in full pads. Ah yes, 405 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: real football. You can watch those reports on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, 406 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: and all of the Bengals platforms. Before we get to 407 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: our next conversation, here's a quick reminder that you can 408 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: take your Bengals pride to the next level in twenty 409 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: twenty with an official Bengals fan package from Prime Sport. Unfortunately, 410 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: even though there's been no significant in contacted training camp 411 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: so far, the Bengals already have a significant setback as 412 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: cornerback Trey Waynes suffered a pectoral injury that reportedly happened 413 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: while he was lifting weights. The free agent, who signed 414 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: a three year, forty two million dollar deal in the offseason, 415 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: could miss a couple of months. One of the players 416 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: who will try to fill the void is Winston Rose, 417 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: who signed a two year deal with the Bengals in 418 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: late December after spending the last three seasons in the 419 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: Canadian Football League. Rose led the CFL with nine interceptions 420 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: last year and had five the year before. Here's Bengals 421 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: head coach Zach Taylor. Fourteen picks is fourteen picks, no 422 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: amount of what league you're playing, and that's exciting. And 423 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: when we worked him out, he had great twitch, great explosiveness, 424 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: had a good knack for the ball in really good hands, 425 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: and so now we'll get a chance to see him 426 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: really full speed playing the NFL this training camp. Rose 427 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: is six feet tall, one hundred eighty pounds and wearing 428 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: the number thirty nine at training camp. I spoke to 429 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: the twenty six year old defensive back this week Wednesday. 430 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: You signed with the Bengals on New Year's Eve after 431 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: a tremendous season in the Canadian Football League. What opportunities 432 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: did you have in the NFL before ultimately choosing Cincinnati. 433 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't talked with the Philadelphia Eagles, and I had 434 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: to a workout with the San Diego Chargers. So those 435 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: those teams and why did you decide to go with Cincinnati. 436 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I just felt comfortable with the coaches and with the 437 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: skin and from the workout talking to coach Luke, it 438 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: is just in light um after the workouts. You know, Um, 439 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: I talked to coach Luke, like I said, it's just 440 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: just just going over what Cincinnati did the year before. 441 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: Just you know the success they head towards the end 442 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: of the season is this. I was just I was 443 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: just ready for the rebuild to be part of the rebuilding. 444 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: Did it make for a nice New Year's celebration signing 445 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: with an NFL team on New Year's Eve? Yeah? Yeah, 446 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: it definitely did. To silence person to twenty um in 447 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: the NFL. UM it was it was a dream come true. 448 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: Man Um, Everything I worked, you know saying worked hard 449 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: for and it worked towards. So to sign it just 450 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: it was like the chairy on top. We're visiting the Bengals. 451 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Cornerback Winston Rose. You led the CFL with nine interceptions 452 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: last year. You had another one in the postseason. Did 453 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: you do anything differently or were you used any differently 454 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: that helped you get your hands on so many passes 455 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: last year? Ultimately, I'll just give credit to my coaches 456 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: and my teammates Land. My coaches called the right play 457 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: and you know, my teammates just playing playing a party. 458 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: As far as like the d line, the front seven, 459 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: linebackers and even a safety communicate to me, Um, I'll 460 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: give on the success to them. Um. I feel like 461 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: the rush play a key party with the dbs and coverages. 462 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: So if you get impressure, the quarterback is going to 463 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: throw it up because you know what I'm saying. You 464 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: know you don't to take a sex so he might 465 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: just give that fifty fifty block to one of his 466 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: receives that he feels comfortable with. So just having that 467 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: pressure with my d line and linebackers, uh, clearing on 468 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback to make my job easier. Wedinston. For people 469 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: who have never watched the CFL game, it's different. You've 470 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: got twelve players on each side, the field is bigger, 471 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: the wide receivers can get a running start before the 472 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: ball is snapped. How is playing quarterback different in the 473 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: CFLs from the NFL, I, like always tell people, is 474 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: really the intensive to details, the techniques, techniques and just 475 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: a little the little things that I will show up 476 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: on game day. Um, I definite lot of people. Uh no, no, 477 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: m you have to give every receiver a yard off 478 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: the ball room. So you know how like we pressed, 479 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: you could be all in a receiver face in the 480 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: NFL and the candidate thing in ANCFL, No, you gotta 481 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: get you got to get to play a yard off. 482 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, at M I feel 483 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: like the offense being advantage because the receivers have that 484 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: head start. So say you're saying, you're a player that's 485 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: on the line and you're pressing and you got a 486 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: player that's coming at you full speed running start, that 487 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: get kind of like, you know, scary at some point. 488 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: But once she once she just learned the techniques and 489 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, the detail in the game, everything, everything just 490 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: slowed down for you. Do you think that style of 491 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: play made you better? Does it help a cornerback in 492 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: particular to have to deal with all of those difficult 493 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: challenges in the CFL? I definitely, I definitely can say 494 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: being in the CFL definitely was what I needed. Um, 495 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it definitely like makes you keen 496 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: to your technique, keen to the little petition to details 497 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: and really just um playing the call with them, playing 498 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: the call within the system. You don't want to get 499 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: your own thing. And then next you know, you give 500 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: a pro touchdown And in the CFL that's that's a 501 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: momentum switcher. But that's a that's that's a sports and 502 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 1: you know it's a momentum switcher. So you definitely, um, 503 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,199 Speaker 1: don't want to be on the spotlight, but at the 504 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: same time, you feel like you feel like if you don't, 505 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: you know, can't block in and pay attention, and you're 506 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: definitely gonna be on the spotlights. We're visiting with Winston Rose. 507 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: You've been in NFL training camps before, with the Rams 508 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: and the Colts. What stands out from your previous experiences 509 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: and does it feel different this time? I feel like 510 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: the difference from my first UM training camp is I 511 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: was a rookie, I was specially out of college and 512 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have no experience under my belt, 513 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: and being through I would say like for a training 514 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: camp so far, Um, they definitely give me that experience 515 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: to you know, not every night, not every day it's 516 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: perfect and you can't make every play perfect, but what 517 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: you can do is control what you can control, just 518 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: give up and to give maximum efforts. So UM, that's 519 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: that's that's That's where I'm just um going into the 520 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: training camp is I know, I know it's not a sprint. 521 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: Its a marathon. So I can't just think I'm gonna 522 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: get everything. I'm gonna know everything all in one day 523 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: to take time, and you definitely got to wrap it 524 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: out too. So I'm controlling what I can control and 525 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: doing my part. And as far as like whatever the 526 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: coaches want me to do, I wanted to do it. 527 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: So do what the bankers were Winston. When you signed 528 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: in December, you were at Paul Brown Stadium and you 529 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: expected to be back in April for OTAs. Where did 530 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: you wind up spending the off season and what did 531 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: you do to prepare in a pandemic situation? UM? I was. 532 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: I was back at home in Los Angeles, Phenerma City area. 533 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: UM and what I did was, I just went back 534 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: to the basic. UM. As far as like training or 535 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: like conditioning, I was training with my high school coach 536 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: from Saint Jenner in high school much high school track 537 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: coach doing doing cardio work with him. And also UM 538 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: as far as lifting, I would I would lift. I 539 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: have one of my one of my cousin's friends, garage Jim. 540 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: He had like you know, squire, rag bench and pretty 541 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: much everything I needed to to sustain my strength. So 542 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: um yeah, I just I just made sure that that 543 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: every day I may count I didn't take one, I 544 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: take a day off. Um and just and just and 545 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: just kept that rhythm. Um I would well, actually I 546 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: would actually wake up early in the morning, like start 547 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: my day in like around five thirty and that specific time, 548 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: so just I can train myself to get ready for 549 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: when I come over to Ohio that I know it's 550 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: three hours different. So then when it's time to wake 551 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: up any morny, I won't be too drag because I'm 552 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: already used to waken up early and California. So it 553 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: was just it was just little things like that that 554 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: I kept in my program. Good thinking of the body clock. 555 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: And it sounds like that was kind of old school 556 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: going to a friend's house who had weights in his garage, 557 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: right right, right, yeah, yeah, exactly what I said, right 558 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: back to the basics, like you don't need you know, 559 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: that big gym to get working. You can still get 560 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: working with some gunbills, a squad, wreck, a bar and 561 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, there's little things like that. We're visiting with 562 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: Winston Rose. Unfortunately, the first serious injury of training camp 563 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: was to somebody in your position group. Trey Waynes. It 564 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: looks like he's likely to be out for a couple 565 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: of months. I know you feel badly for him, but 566 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: do you look at it like a starting job is 567 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: now up for grabs. To be honest, I have no 568 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: idea what's going on, so I can't speak on that. 569 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: All our numbers that I'm trying to get better, to 570 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to help the team win and 571 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: con sure what I can control. Let's talk a little 572 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: bit about last year you won the Gray Cup, Canada's 573 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: super Bowl with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Described that experience 574 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: being professional to win the championships like everything you put 575 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: put the work in with your teammates, even off season, 576 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: that you put in to ultimately reach that goal. So um, 577 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely a movie with Winnipeg Blue Bombers. 578 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: Our season was it started off hot five and five 579 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: and then we went through our adversity upper down. But 580 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: I feel like those diversities that we went through it 581 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: in the season prepared us for playoffs and compared to 582 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: be the champions because we knew, we knew how to 583 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 1: come back from behind, we knew how to you know, 584 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: university strikes in the game, not to quit. Um to 585 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: lean on, lean on to our brothers and play for 586 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: each other. So ultimately, yeah, Winnipeg, Winnipeg Seaton last year 587 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: was a movie. And I'm blessed. I'm grateful, grateful for 588 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: the Winnipeg organization to bring me in after one year. Year. Um, um, 589 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: blessed to have to be part of that group. To 590 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: you know what, I think it was twenty six years 591 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: or twenty nine years since the last championship championship went 592 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: through that city. So to be part of that that's historical, 593 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: um and multiple. Ultimately, Man, for the fans of Winnipeg, 594 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: I feel like they deserted to as well. Um, the city, 595 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: the city itself is uh, it's it's it's birth taking 596 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: in because it's it's like the fans and the people 597 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: they just so genuine. That's and that's just in general 598 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: in Canada that I had got being over there, that 599 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: the people in Canada is so genuine and so sincere. 600 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, man, it was. It was. It was 601 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: a movie, man, a movie that definitely that definitely get 602 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: an Oscar. You must have been very popular in Winnipeg 603 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: to be there for a year, to lead the fl 604 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: and interceptions and be part of a team that won 605 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: the Great Cup. You must be quite a celebra in Winnipeg. 606 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say a celebrity, But I'm 607 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: just Winston man. I'm just Western road man from Los Angeles, 608 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: just doing my part, uh, you know, keeping God first 609 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: and everything I do and just just being mean. And 610 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: I feel like, ultimately, um, that's what Winnipeg. Uh, let 611 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: me let me do then let me be myself. They didn't. Um, 612 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I played it. I played 613 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: a game within a system, but ultimately it was just 614 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: just go out there and do what you do and 615 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: the rest was The rest was history. And I feel 616 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: like every every every player to say that, Um, and 617 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: we ultimately, we ultimately did it. Man. We ultimately reached 618 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: that goal that couldn't we couldn't be reached for a 619 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: long time. So so to be part of that, it's 620 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: it's it's a further grateful forever grateful. I'm thankful as 621 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: well too, Winston. Just to wrap things up, describe how 622 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: you're feeling now that you're here. You're in the early 623 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: stages of training camp, trying to be a part of 624 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: this franchise. Going forward. I'm just grateful and grateful every 625 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: day to get this opportunity to go out there and 626 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, just putting down in the football flum. So 627 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm just taking each day one day at a time, 628 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: um and lemonade mistakes, keen in details, you know, practicing 629 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: like a champion and just coming in and trying trying 630 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: to do my part. Just whatever the caause, like I said, 631 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 1: whatever the coaches need me to do, I wanted to do. So. 632 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: I just want to bring that energy to the team 633 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: and just show the other coaches and show everybody that 634 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm a team player. I'm just here to you know, serve. 635 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: We're excited to see you do your thing. Have a 636 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,959 Speaker 1: great camp, stay safe, and I appreciate the time. Thanks Winston, Hello, 637 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 1: thank you. Either way, the quarterback of that Great Cup 638 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: championship team in Winnipeg last year was former University of 639 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcat Zach coll Mars. That's going to do it 640 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast brought to 641 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 1: you by Prime Sport, the official fan, travel and hospitality 642 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. If you haven't done so already, 643 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,360 Speaker 1: please subscribe and if you have a minute, give it 644 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: a rating, or share a comment that helps more Bengals 645 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: fans find this podcast. 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