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Speaker 1: to talk about the Green Bay Packers, a seventeen point

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Speaker 1: sure if he's good. He was twenty two to forty four.

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Speaker 1: Some drop passes, some really bad throws, but it's the

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Speaker 1: largest comeback in Packers history. I said this about Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Some guys are great when it's all set up, when

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Speaker 1: eight years or longer than Aaron Rodgers. So Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr got hurt. Yes, he got a break. Lots

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Speaker 1: steam ahead, head down, optimistic, positive body language, positive energy,

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Speaker 1: they don't win that football game. Derek moves the chains,

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Speaker 1: Jamis Winston comes in. He's going to be more three

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Speaker 1: and outs, more mistakes. Now, the Saints could have won

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Speaker 1: He's young. I said, I want Thanksgivings the time. He's

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Speaker 1: been sitting for three years. Give me to Thanksgiving. I'll

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Speaker 1: have a strong, more definitive opinion. He missed some easy

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Speaker 1: Packers have always done a really good job of drafting, developing,

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Speaker 1: avoiding chaos. They don't they can't get top free agents,

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Speaker 1: but in a weird way, it helps them. You never

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Speaker 1: have to deal with, you know, outside of a farvar

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Speaker 1: Seventy to twenty feels like. It's much much deeper than that.

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Speaker 1: It's a cultural issue. It's a locker room issue, it's

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Speaker 1: That that's your only hope, and then eventually if it

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Speaker 1: This is going to be a personality clash between Peyton

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Speaker 1: You're getting tremendous pressure on Kirk Cousins. Punt it, make

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Speaker 1: is yours, right, John Middlecoff three and out. But I

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Speaker 2: And he tied himself immediately to Jimmy Garoppolo. Who listen,

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniels so creative and clever with Miami and Shanahan

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Speaker 1: Yeah, their best players Max Crosby, who I think was

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Speaker 2: I mean, they were flying around. If you didn't know

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Speaker 2: He hasn't changed. He's been solid. But like that pick

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Speaker 2: toward the end of the game, which ultimately at that

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Speaker 2: point in time they were gonna they probably weren't gonna

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Speaker 2: win anyway, But that's kind of him, you know, Cousins

427
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Speaker 2: does like you said the same thing, And this is

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Speaker 2: where I get back to to not have just whether

429
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Speaker 2: it's a zone read play, the Dak can get a

430
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Speaker 2: walk in. Jordan Love had that play today on the

431
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Speaker 2: goal line where he scored touchdown that kind of, you know,

432
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Speaker 2: got the momentum back for them. It feels like sometimes

433
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Speaker 2: McCarthy's just kind of banging his head against the wall

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Speaker 2: and listen, I thought Dallas was a legitimate Super Bowl contender.

435
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Speaker 2: You watch games like today, the coach and the quarterback. Man,

436
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Speaker 2: if they're not, you're gonna have to beat some really

437
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: good offensive play callers, some really good quarterbacks. And McCarthy, man,

438
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Speaker 2: there's a reason he didn't win a lot of those

439
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Speaker 2: NFC championship games. It's not like they went to four

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Speaker 2: Super Bowls and only won the one with Aaron Right.

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Speaker 2: They went to five NFC Championship games, and beside the

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Speaker 2: one they won, they never won any of those games.

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Speaker 1: the things that is really interesting, Jimmy Johnson was really

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Speaker 1: outspoken about Brandon Staley and if you watch, I watched

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Speaker 1: every second of that game. Both those teams were trying

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Speaker 1: to give that game away the Chargers outside of Justin Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: and maybe that there's a safety for Minnesota who's really

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Speaker 1: good the Notre Dame Guide's been in the league for years.

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Speaker 2: Harrison Smith.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Chargers have better players all of the field.

468
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Speaker 1: It's not even debatable, better old line, better pass rush,

469
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Speaker 1: just have better roster. But what was remarkable about Brandon

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Speaker 1: Staley going for it on fourth down at the twenty

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Speaker 1: four is it Minnesota number one had no timeouts left,

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Speaker 1: had struggled to block increasingly in that game, struggled to

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Speaker 1: block the Chargers front. So no timeouts, you punt it.

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Speaker 1: Let's say they fair catch it at the thirty thirty five.

475
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Speaker 1: They need a touchdown to win. They have no timeouts left,

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Speaker 1: and the pressure has increased on Kirk Cousins, who's not

477
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Speaker 1: a big throw the ball down the field, not a

478
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Speaker 1: deep ball thrower anyway, And they really had abandoned a

479
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: lot of that because they just didn't have time to

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Speaker 1: set up for that. They couldn't get the protection. And

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Speaker 1: he goes for it, and then not only does he

482
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Speaker 1: go for it, the worst skill player on the field

483
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Speaker 1: is the guy who gets the ball, the backup running

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Speaker 1: back because Austin Ecker didn't play. And I'm like, what timeout?

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Speaker 1: That wasn't a tough one no timeouts. I mean, you're

486
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Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator, you're getting great pass rush and they

487
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Speaker 1: can't call a timeout. They have to get into the

488
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Speaker 1: end zone. I thought it was almost a fireable. I thought,

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Speaker 1: if they lost that game, you could fire him flying

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Speaker 1: back home. Now that is am I overreacting to that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought if they lost the game when today started,

492
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Speaker 2: before the ball even kicked off. I don't see how

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Speaker 2: you didn't fire him. Now, I'm not shocked at him

494
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Speaker 2: going for it. This is what he's been doing for

495
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: two and a half years. Like he's gone for it

496
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Speaker 2: in insane time. Remember a couple of years ago against

497
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Speaker 2: the Raiders, he went forward like I think at the

498
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Speaker 2: twenty yard line, not even at the twenty four. Now,

499
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: it was earlier in the game. But I also think

500
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Speaker 2: when you talk to people around the league, these owners

501
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of gms, and you know t LESCo

502
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: are very numbers driven and are very pro the quote

503
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Speaker 2: unquote go for it or Historically that was never the

504
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: case in football. It was much more conservative, always planted

505
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Speaker 2: and played defense. Which is that tide has clearly shifted

506
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: to me, like he's gonna go for it. He's been

507
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Speaker 2: doing stupid shit his entire tenure as the Charger coach.

508
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Speaker 2: It's more just about the way the defense looks. They

509
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Speaker 2: look like a really good big twelve team. They can

510
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Speaker 2: score on anybody and can't stop a soul. You're talking

511
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: gaping holes, Colin, Where is everybody? Does anyone know what's

512
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 2: going on on defense? It happened a lot for Lincoln

513
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma forever. It's like we're not on the same

514
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Speaker 2: page here.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers are returning all their starters. Now they have

516
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: the kid from us see the rush in, but essentially

517
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Speaker 1: it's the same starting group and there's they're a bad

518
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Speaker 1: third and long defense. It's like, guys, So they didn't

519
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: play J. C. Jackson today, And my takeaway was, when

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Speaker 1: you play the Vikings, you can't let Justin Jefferson get

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Speaker 1: over the top.

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Speaker 2: And J. C.

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Speaker 1: Jackson just doesn't have He's not football smart. I don't

524
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Speaker 1: know him personally, he's not football smart. It's why, by

525
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Speaker 1: the way, it's why Belichick let him go. And Belichick

526
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Speaker 1: just gave up on him. You know, say what you

527
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: want about Belichick on offense, you almost never beat New

528
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Speaker 1: England over the top. And so the Chargers didn't play him.

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Speaker 1: And my take is he's just not football smart, like

530
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Speaker 1: he just is in the wrong spot. He bites on anything.

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Speaker 1: And so they said, if Justin Jefferson doesn't meet us

532
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Speaker 1: over the top, we're gonna sit J. C. Jackson and

533
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Speaker 1: we'll just keep everything in front and Kirk has to drive.

534
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Speaker 1: And by the way, it mostly is effective against Kirk.

535
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Speaker 1: That's a heavy penalized team. It's a heavy turnover team.

536
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: The game plan was solid. There was at least two moments,

537
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Speaker 1: could have been three where they stopped where they bailed

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Speaker 1: the vikings out with defensive penalties Like I'm second and

539
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Speaker 1: twenty third and fifteen. You're like, guys, there's a lot

540
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Speaker 1: of veterans on this field. This is just defensive coach

541
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Speaker 1: returning starters, guys that have been around multiple undisciplined penalties.

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Speaker 2: I I, and I like, you could justify firing him.

543
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: I think even with the win, like, where's this going?

544
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: What are we doing? It's the same thing every week,

545
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: win or lose. They always look the same. How often

546
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Speaker 2: does an eight to ten yard completion turn into twenty

547
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Speaker 2: seven yards? You know, defenders running into each other bad

548
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: angles and they get so many explosive That is a

549
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: pretty basic seven yard you know, slant route that goes

550
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Speaker 2: another twenty six yards. That's why they were able to

551
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: constantly get back into the game because they can't tackle

552
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Speaker 2: a soul. The defensive backs now for two and a

553
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: half years, never feel like they know where they're supposed

554
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Speaker 2: to be. Ever, like you say, JC Jackson, they just

555
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: waved the white flag on that one they said, all

556
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Speaker 2: this money whatever, healthy and active. Yeah, but the guys

557
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Speaker 2: that were out there today, And this is what I

558
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: think people are so critical of him that he's a

559
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Speaker 2: defensive head coach. He's really when you're a defensive coordinator,

560
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: you're in charge of the coverages, like that's the most

561
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: important thing, right, the coverages against you know, and clearly

562
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: the coverages he's calling, his players do not know how

563
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: that he wants them to execute it because they're all

564
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: over the map on any given call, Guys out of position,

565
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: guys wide open. It does look like a college team

566
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Speaker 2: that is having to win, you know, on a weekly basis.

567
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: Forty eight to forty five, that's of the way they

568
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: have to play. But in the NFL that's very difficult

569
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: because you're margin feir so small offense, you're going to

570
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: screw up sometimes. I mean, he was forty to forty

571
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Speaker 2: seven today. Now he got lucky on the one touchdown

572
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: that could have been a pick. But he is playing really,

573
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Speaker 2: really well, and I know that sometimes it gets pushed back,

574
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Speaker 2: why don't you win more? If you just watch the

575
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Chargers play, you will understand why he just doesn't quote

576
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Speaker 2: unquote win more.

577
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he basically without Austin Eckler, they have

578
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: no run games. So it's a short passing game. And

579
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a quarterback in the league maybe

580
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Speaker 1: Mahomes who is better on the catch it. Throw it

581
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: to the perimeter. That's not as easy as it looks. Herbert.

582
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Speaker 1: It is a complete layup. He must have had eighteen

583
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: of those today, maybe twenty five. Catch it, throw it,

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, It doesn't matter. Gerald Everett. By the way,

585
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Speaker 1: that's not a layup for a lot of guys in

586
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Speaker 1: this league. It is a layup for Justin Herbert, just

587
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: out even crossfield throws easy stuff. So pivot to this.

588
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: It's very obvious that, you know, Zach Wilson, he's not

589
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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, and I think we all knew that

590
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: coming into the season. They're gonna punt on him. Think

591
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: I think the Chicago Bears are very likely going to

592
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Speaker 1: have the number one pick, you know, Arizona Josh Dobbs

593
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: as a backup to Kyler. Murray's actually a pretty good

594
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: quarterback room if Kyler. If Kyler's centered and ready to go,

595
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a quarterback room. That would not

596
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: be your issue. I just think, like you said, they're feisty,

597
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: they're fast, they they're competitive at home. They're gonna win

598
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: five or six games. If Kyler comes back, they go

599
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: wins six or seven. Josh Dobbs can certainly make throws.

600
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: You know, good kid in the room, moves well. They'll

601
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: win games justin fields can't play. Like you watch this

602
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: like you can tell how teams defend him. They don't

603
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: think he can play, they don't think he can see

604
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: the field. They don't respect him so much to this

605
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: game is predicated on Coaches will tell you what they

606
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Speaker 1: think of their personnel. They'll also tell you what they

607
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: think of their personnel. And I think Kansas City came

608
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: into this game and said, we're going to be hyper aggressive.

609
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: We don't care we can make mistakes. I watching him today,

610
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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm trying to be a good guy,

611
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: right like everybody in the media is trying to be nice.

612
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson came in kind of cocky. It was easy

613
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: to go he can't play. But when a guy comes

614
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Speaker 1: in it's a big city, you know, he doesn't have

615
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: a huge attitude. You see some tools. I thought after

616
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: today I'm like, wow, this is nobody in that building,

617
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: No way. Ryan Poles thinks this is the future, right.

618
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: I think the question is is everyone in major trouble?

619
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Speaker 2: I mean they had a really rough week obviously, the

620
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: situation with their defensive coordinator. The quarterback, like you said,

621
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Speaker 2: he's just he's a bad football player, Like you can't

622
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: not only not franchise. These guys aren't starting quarterbacks. And

623
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Speaker 2: I think you would ask yourself, well, would you want

624
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Speaker 2: him as your backup? Because Joshua Dobbs. Some of these

625
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: guys you see as a backup, like they can function.

626
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: Look at Jordan Love Now, he was a backup for

627
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: a while. He's a functional player. How good they're ceiling is,

628
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, but justin fields can't complete passes. At

629
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: one point in time today they were getting destroyed. It

630
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: was in the fourth quarter. He had sixteen pass attempts.

631
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: They don't even trust to throw them. When he said

632
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Speaker 2: this week the coaching comment, which if you watch him

633
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 2: say it, I don't think he was trying to drive

634
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: a bus over the offensive coordinator, but he was basically admitting,

635
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Speaker 2: like they want me to run a normal NFL offense

636
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: where I go one to two to three, and we

637
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: try to pass like these other teams and I can't

638
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: do it because I turn into a robot and I

639
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: don't know how to function. Part of being a great

640
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: quarterback is kind of blending that instincts with the robotic nature, right,

641
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: because some of these throws you gotta just turn into

642
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: a robot, dump it down for four yards, right and

643
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 2: think at lightning speed. I mean you're talking less than

644
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: three Mississippis that ball you're firing around, knowing the coverage,

645
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: knowing the hot routes. There's a lot going on. It's

646
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: why most people have no shot to do it. And

647
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 2: he is completely overwhelmed. I thought his physical tools I

648
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: liked him as a college prospect. They don't translate really

649
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: like to me. His the our motion doesn't feel very smooth.

650
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: Clearly now he's like trying to guide it, but he

651
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: has no clue where the ball's going. They are a mess.

652
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: Calling for as shitty as as Denver was today seventy points,

653
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: you could argue that was even worse. There was a

654
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: moment where Denver was feisty early That game was just

655
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: it was a Taylor Swift party.

656
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you do get to a point in Chicago,

657
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: and I've said this, some of it's cultural. They don't

658
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: do offense well. They've never had a star quarterback. Al

659
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: Sean Jeffery is their best receiver. They've had very few

660
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: great offensive lines. I mean they it's weird about this,

661
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: John and I. It's almost like every Laker team almost

662
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: that's ever won a title has been flashy, and every

663
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Celtic team that's ever won has been feisty because Boston's feisty, right,

664
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: and LA's glitzy. Every Detroit team that's been great has

665
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: been tough. Same with Pittsburgh. Like you become your city

666
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: or something, you become the culture around you. In Chicago

667
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: is a Midwest nobs tough, hit in the mouth, you know,

668
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: beer and Bratstown right, Like it's it's my favorite big

669
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: city in the country. But it's just authentic. It's real.

670
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: They love their I can name six great linebackers for

671
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: the Bears. I can't name two good receivers. And so

672
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: they don't do offense well. They don't have a sentence

673
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: for it. They don't. They're not a touchy feely organization.

674
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you can go to Kansas City. It could

675
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: be Lenn Dawson, it's Alex Smith, it's Patrick Mahomes. They

676
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: had Joe Montana. I mean, Kansas City's had like seven

677
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. Green Bays, barn Start, Brett Fahr, Aaron Rodgers,

678
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Love may make it. They just know how to

679
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: develop quarterbacks. Chicago doesn't. They're still celebrating the eighty five Bears.

680
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: So to come in there. Let's say Kayleb Williams goes there.

681
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't trust this staff, do you?

682
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 2: I think depending on what comes out about this defensive coordinator.

683
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: And I'm not laying the blame on anything he did

684
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: in his personal life or even if it crossed over

685
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: professionally on eber Flus like these grown men making millions

686
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: of dollars, But there are moments where you can look

687
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: back and go, that was the beginning of the end,

688
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 2: and that situation, all the rumors floating him having to resign.

689
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: Clearly people reporting today that it wasn't anything criminal, it

690
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: was inappropriate. It'll be very fascinating as information comes out.

691
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: But Caleb's dad has been on record about the situation

692
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: in the draft, this situation, they have a defensive head

693
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 2: coach whose defense is it couldn't be any worse. I mean,

694
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: it's as bad as it gets. The staff feels overwhelmed

695
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: the quarterback, which isn't their fault. I mean, these guys

696
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: didn't draft him, but is getting worse by the week. Yes,

697
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: So the narrative and the negativity surrounding this operation when

698
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: the season ends is gonna be at an all time high, right,

699
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just gonna there's gonna be a lot

700
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: of negativity from every angle. And you just wonder a

701
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: guy that is viewed as this all time great player,

702
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: who's got some strong opinions, and he's got some money

703
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: and his dad's involved. Like, I don't think it's a

704
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: lock that they just don't make a fun about this.

705
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: And I had people like DM and me. Do you

706
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: think that they would push the ownership to hire an

707
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: offensive coach. It's kind of hard in football to do

708
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: maneuvering like that. This isn't basketball. But I do think

709
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: that in the next month or two, if I'm the

710
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: owner of the Bears and I've known people that worked

711
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: there and that place is very old school, yes, defense

712
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: very people that have worked several places, they're like, it's

713
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: actually much closer to a mom and pop shop for

714
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: some you know organization. Yeah, for five billion that anyone

715
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: could even fathom. Right, they need to do a lot

716
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: of just kind of looking in the mirror and changing.

717
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: But as long as the ownership is the ownership, I

718
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: don't know if things are going to dramatically change, which

719
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: is sad.

720
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: You know, the ownership went to Bill Pollion. He went

721
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: and got Matt eberflus So, and I don't know much

722
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: about Matt eberflus I have two people that know him,

723
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: like him, nice guy. He inherited. You know, they had

724
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: to move off ropewand Smith, they had to move off

725
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: some defensive players. They're starting over. Then you become very

726
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: beholden to your GM and who he can draft. But

727
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I've thought about the Bears, like where would

728
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: you go if you flushed it and started over? And

729
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley does not want to coach right now? NFL football? Okay,

730
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: So you're like, Okay, the college guy, Ryan Day is

731
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: more served to me. He's more high emotion. He's a

732
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: college coach, not a pro coach. We saw it again

733
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: this week and I like him, but he's raw, raw guy.

734
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: So Kellen Moore, I don't think is ready for Chicago.

735
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: I think he would get the Charger job if Staley

736
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: got fired, So the Chargers wouldn't let him go there.

737
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh would make them probably too uncomfortable.

738
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: Well, Harbaugh is somebody. I Harbaugh would go pro if

739
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams came out. I think it's the perfect time

740
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: now Harball wants control of personnel. So could they do

741
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: a situation like Sean Payton where Sean Payton comes in,

742
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: Harball comes in is not the initial GM. They just

743
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: make it work for a year and then I think

744
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: Sean will basically take over some personnel here pretty quick.

745
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: I would agree.

746
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: So, but I I if I was, I just don't

747
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: feel good at that. And I'm not saying Justin Fields

748
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: can play it. Today was just like, by this is bad.

749
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: I think I'd start over. I think I would just

750
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: flush it out and start up.

751
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: Listen.

752
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Ryan Polls to GM drafted

753
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: VELAs Jones in the third round. Wide receiver, USC who

754
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: transferred to Tennessee couldn't play a lick at either place.

755
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: It's like watch film. He couldn't. He couldn't, he couldn't

756
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: track the ball. He's a receiver who couldn't track the

757
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: ball like I saw that pick it. I'm like, Okay,

758
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing.

759
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Well, I can't get over Week one when Chase Claypool

760
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 2: did what he did, which was nothing and didn't even try,

761
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: and they got embarrassed and they just didn't cut him

762
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: the next day to kind of draw a line in

763
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: the sand as their organization, this will not be tolerated.

764
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: An Andy Reid, a Pete Carroll, that would never be allowed,

765
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick and back. And you've been talking about this

766
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: for a long time. Think about some of the coaches

767
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: right now. Robert salom Was, Zach Wilson, ebra Flus with

768
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: Justin Fields. They can do nothing to help that guy

769
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: besides just philosophically be like, run the ball more. But

770
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: they can't be in the meeting room coaching them up,

771
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 2: designing plays. So even when you get into a pinch,

772
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: if you're Sean McVay last year, you can influence Baker

773
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 2: Mayfield when you pick them up off the scripe because

774
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: you're the guy gonna be working with them, or Kyle Shanner,

775
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: all these Lafleur with Jordan Love, they can work through

776
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: things like you saw today it was not going well.

777
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 2: Then Lafour's on a knee over with them, Robert Salaz

778
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: just on the sideline as Zach Wilson's running for his

779
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 2: life skipping balls. He has no Mike Tomlin with Kenny

780
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: Pickett when things go bad, like, what can he actually

781
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: do besides some Ryan day raw Ross beaches. And I'm

782
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: not saying they're not, you know, capable and obviously accomplished

783
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: and know what they're doing leading a group of men,

784
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: But when it gets into the schematics and the coaching

785
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: specifically of that position, these defensive coordinators that are head

786
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: coaches just can't do much beside build some confidence by

787
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: whispering in their ear. Yeah.

788
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: No, I think that's why I think with Chicago, I

789
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: think you kind of burn it down started over. I

790
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: think you go get a Caleb Williams. And I'm not

791
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: saying if Kingsbury would get a second shot. It felt

792
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: like he was a little over his skis, but he

793
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: did get them to the playoffs. And I know Kingsbury

794
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: at USC and Caleb have a great relationship and he

795
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: feels like he could he I don't know if he'd

796
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 1: ever want to go. You know, he to me, he's

797
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: either I think Cliff would like to get another pro

798
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: job and I but it's you know, basically, Chicago's a

799
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: cold weather Arizona where you don't trust the ownership, you

800
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: don't trust the front office. You just you're as good

801
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: as your quarterback. But as little confident as I have

802
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: in justin fields, I think there's a lot of blame

803
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: to go around. And to your point, I don't think

804
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: these defensive coordinators can figure it out. I do want

805
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: to want to talk before we go, and I had

806
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: said this earlier. Yeah, Denver's defense has been a mess

807
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: this year. So obviously not all the blame goes on

808
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But this is going to be a fascinating

809
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 1: cultural situation because Russell's never been really popular in the room.

810
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: He's been popular with public, good media, but not in

811
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: the room. He leaves Seattle, he got dogged by like

812
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: five guys, and so that's big to Sean Payton. I

813
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: know Sean well enough. In the room is what he

814
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: really cares about. That's why he said those things stop

815
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: kissing babies? Mean, who gives a shit what anybody outside

816
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: the room thinks? Win the room over. I wonder if

817
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: Sean Payton has already made a decision like I'm out

818
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: on this. This guy isn't me. It doesn't work because

819
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 1: they're really polar opposites in terms of personality. How long

820
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: before he bails completely?

821
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he could make a change in

822
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 2: the next three or four weeks and just justify it.

823
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: We need a spark though. Obviously today Russell didn't give

824
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: up seventy points. I mean seventy points Colin's I don't

825
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: know how you shake that. I never thought they were

826
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: a great fit, just personality wise. Clearly Russell is not

827
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: the same and this organization needs a complete blow up.

828
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 2: The problem is, what do you do right the contract

829
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: for several years, from dead cap money to cap space

830
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: the bonus you paid him, you're kind of stuck with him.

831
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: He has no trade value, so you can't really get

832
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: rid of him. Essentially, you probably one year if you

833
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: did get a really high pick, which they keep giving

834
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: up seventy points, I'll promise you they will get one.

835
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: Do you just cut them, take the enormous dead cap

836
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: for like the year because it accelerates on your books,

837
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: and just roll with a young quarterback and just kind

838
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: of cut bait and move on. You know, the Eagles

839
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: were all were lucky with Carson Wentz right, they were

840
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: able to kind of just get rid of them, and

841
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: even though and it actually ended up giving them a

842
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: first round pick from the Colts. But a lot of

843
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: times in these situations you can unload it, and this one,

844
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: to me is not going to be an unloading situation.

845
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: But he's got the quarterback, Like you said, the GM.

846
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 2: He didn't hire this GM like this GM. He's playing

847
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Speaker 2: nice for a year. This is this happens all the time,

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Speaker 2: and then he'll get bringing his own guy is the

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Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, Vance Joseph. Look at his resume lately.

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Speaker 1: It is no he'll get he'll get lack.

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00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: Different's defense last year was good and now today, I

852
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: mean they quit. The only way to give up seventy

853
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Speaker 2: points is by quitting and tapping out and literally not trying.

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Speaker 2: So he's going to have an entire organizational He probably

855
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: thought he had some you know, uh in terms of

856
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: making some steps forward this offseason, but it's clear that

857
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: they're worse than last year. Like it's pretty crazy because

858
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Speaker 2: at least last year the defensive coordinator that's now in Carolina,

859
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 2: they were good on defense at least for a long

860
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Speaker 2: percentage of the you know, the season, until they kind

861
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Speaker 2: of ran out of juice. But I think Sean Pay's

862
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: got to blow the entire thing up, and the rough situation,

863
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Speaker 2: you're just kind of stuck unless you want to cut

864
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Speaker 2: him and just take you know, historically high dead cap.

865
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Speaker 2: But then you've got to rehaul your defensive staff. You

866
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: don't have that, you know, your draft picks. U There'll

867
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Speaker 2: just be a lot of pressure on this team because

868
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Speaker 2: they are nowhere close that I mean today was I mean,

869
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Speaker 2: is that one of the most embarrassing days in the

870
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Speaker 2: history of the NFL? You think for one given team.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really ugly. You know, I was thinking about

872
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: this so Sean and I I'm not like a close close,

873
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Speaker 1: but you know, we have a nice relationship, and you

874
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: know when you know, he had called me a couple

875
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Speaker 1: of times about Fox and negotiating a TV deal, and

876
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: he really wanted to live in Manhattan Beach and coach

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00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: the Chargers. And I thought he was just gonna wait

878
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 1: for a year because neither I didn't think Brandon and

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00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: Staley was gonna last. And then we were communicating a lot,

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00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, Sean and I weren't

881
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: communicating a lot and then and my takeaway was okay.

882
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to bother him and pester him.

883
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: That's his you know, I've been doing this long enough.

884
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: I know when somebody stops communicating, you're probably a negotiation.

885
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know exactly who, but I kind of

886
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: felt Denver because that's the stuff I was hearing about.

887
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Speaker 1: And I got to be honest, I was surprised he

888
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: took the job because he had said on the air

889
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: there were concerns about Russell Wilson right and I. And

890
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: this wasn't private conversation he had. You know, there's concerns

891
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: about basketball on grass does does he does he have it?

892
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 1: So it's just so interesting because I would have bet

893
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Speaker 1: my four oh one K a year ago that he

894
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: would have just stayed. Fox was paying him. I imagined

895
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: good money, I know, good money. He would have just

896
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: stayed and just waited for the Charger situation. But you know,

897
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Speaker 1: it's funny with coaches, they always you know, I've seen

898
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: and friends years ago, Mike Dunlevy took a clipper job

899
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Speaker 1: and I'm like Mike. He took the Blazers of the

900
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Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals and arguably, you know, outplayed the Lakers

901
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: shack And and Kobe. But you know, somebody offers you fifteen

902
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: and eighteen million bucks or whatever it is, and I

903
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: just I don't think this was ever an ideal fit.

904
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Speaker 1: But money talks, and I think I look at it

905
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: now and I think, yeah, all the things I thought

906
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: could possibly go wrong, not his GM, Russ and him,

907
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: don't click, tough division. They're all realities today.

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00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: Don't you think The wild card in this situation is

909
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: this ownership. I mean, this family top two or three

910
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: wealthiest family in the world America, and they are not

911
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: used to failing ever, So you know who knows the

912
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Speaker 2: dynamics they are obviously Sean is, you know, a very driven,

913
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Speaker 2: intense individual. This family's used to things. I mean, they've

914
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Speaker 2: been on I wouldn't say easy street, but their business

915
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Speaker 2: that's been kind of on cruise control for a while.

916
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Speaker 2: This has to be a shock to their system about

917
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Speaker 2: what they're witnessing. And then the nature of unlike when

918
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Speaker 2: you own even major corporations, they just don't get talked

919
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: about like they do in terms of you drive around

920
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: Denver tomorrow, turn sports radio. Everyone's you know, talking shit

921
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Speaker 2: about the thing you own. It's some people can't especially

922
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: new the new owner syndrome. That could be overwhelming and

923
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: things could get weird. Things get weird fast.

924
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, I think, you know, the minute

925
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: he could he signed Jarrett Stidham. I think he had reservations.

926
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Speaker 1: You know, Sean went and looked at every throw Russell

927
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Speaker 1: Wilson made, and I'm sure he saw things from the

928
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Speaker 1: pocket right co Sell comes on my show weekly. He's

929
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: been saying it for years. Russell Wilson from the pocket

930
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: leaves a lot of throws out there. Sean saw that,

931
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Speaker 1: and so he went and got Stidham, a guy that

932
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Speaker 1: can run his offense complete easy throws. So I just

933
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Speaker 1: don't think this relationship is gonna work. I don't think

934
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Speaker 1: this is all on Russell. But you know, you give

935
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Speaker 1: up draft capital, you pay him, You're going to take

936
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Speaker 1: the heat. And I do think the team quit today.

937
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Speaker 1: So does that say the locker rooms not great? The

938
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Speaker 1: locker rooms divided? I mean, you don't see teams in

939
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: the NFL quit. Maybe once a year we see a

940
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Speaker 1: team quit. You don't see him quit in week three,

941
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: like that's a problem. It's week twelve, right, everybody's you know,

942
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Speaker 1: everything's put on film, So guys just don't quit in

943
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Speaker 1: this league.

944
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Speaker 2: You just don't.

945
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Speaker 1: Monday, it's on film. Week three, guys quit like that.

946
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: That tells me there's a cultural issue. And Russell's the

947
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: biggest star in.

948
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Speaker 2: That room, saving grace for Sean those. He has the

949
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Speaker 2: Raiders and the Chargers in his division. So it makes

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Speaker 2: it a little bit easier if you could ever just

951
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Speaker 2: get a couple of pieces in there and get it

952
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