Speaker 1: Check it out. Man down Now Thursday morning, September twelve nine.
Speaker 1: Team them Beating the Book Podcast Megapod Week two in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. It's Gil Alexander and in case
Speaker 1: you missed it last week, the new crew on my
Speaker 1: right the conciliary to Derrek Stevens over at Circuits Sports.
Speaker 1: He's the vice president of operations there and knows all
Speaker 1: things about the circum Million contest, among other things. It's
Speaker 1: our friend Mike Palm. Thank you Mike for being here, sir.
Speaker 1: It's an honor and a pleasure to join you, and
Speaker 1: especially Todd wishne Todd Wishnev, who is our other guest
Speaker 1: on the left here. He's the star, one of the
Speaker 1: stars of Showtime's docuseries Action. You may hear him on
Speaker 1: Visa as well as Mike. Just said, Todd Wishnev. Hello Todd,
Speaker 1: Hi guys. So let me just say this about last week.
Speaker 1: A couple of things. One, it was the highest rated
Speaker 1: Week one megapod of all times, so kudos to you. Two.
Speaker 1: This will be the real test right week two. See
Speaker 1: if they continue to listen to you guys after week one.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. Uh. The other thing is Mike,
Speaker 1: you were accused of breathing heavily last week. You were
Speaker 1: not breathing heavily. It was just where apparently the mike
Speaker 1: was being held, correct, I think. So there's some background
Speaker 1: noise in the office with running water in the pipes
Speaker 1: and and that. So we moved to a different office.
Speaker 1: So hopefully that corrects that and nobody thinks I'm a pervert. Alright, Well,
Speaker 1: thank god for that. And Todd is not in l A,
Speaker 1: so we can actually hear everything that Todd has to
Speaker 1: say as opposed to the first five minutes last week.
Speaker 1: All right, so let's do this. Let us begin. First
Speaker 1: of all, let's review how our picks went last week. Uh,
Speaker 1: not so much, although Todd, you were two in one
Speaker 1: in your best bets and you also hit your teaser,
Speaker 1: did you not? All right? And Mike and I not
Speaker 1: as lucky, Uh not as not as good because and
Speaker 1: the reason I use the word lucky, we were one
Speaker 1: and two in our best bets and we both missed
Speaker 1: our teaser, and much of that was because the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Lions completely destroyed us and the Lions collapse.
Speaker 1: I'm still not sure that actually happened, but but we
Speaker 1: did get the Thursday game right with the under. So
Speaker 1: that's the saving grace from week one. I knew you'd
Speaker 1: throw that in there, Todd Judges. Does that count, Todd
Speaker 1: said part of the officials. No, that's just why I left.
Speaker 1: That will not count. Will not count before we get
Speaker 1: into this week, because we want to get our thoughts
Speaker 1: on Thursday night that we're getting into our best bets.
Speaker 1: We'll also do the teaser of the week, which I
Speaker 1: actually gave out on a numbers game this morning. I
Speaker 1: do want to get a circu million update the Circus
Speaker 1: Sports a million full season contest five picks against the spread?
Speaker 1: How many total participants were there in the end, and
Speaker 1: how many of those went five and oh? Mike, So
Speaker 1: we ended up with one thousand, eight hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five participants because everything over fift hundred went back into
Speaker 1: the quarterly winners or the best score each month. Each month,
Speaker 1: including this month of September, is worth one hundred forty
Speaker 1: three thousand, seven hundred and fifty dollars. Sixteen cards with
Speaker 1: five even oh. Sixteen entries went five and oh. And
Speaker 1: here's the more shocking thing, twenty three entries did not
Speaker 1: submit their picks Jesus, including one of our friends, Anthony Curtis. Right,
Speaker 1: he admitted that he was one of them. He had
Speaker 1: three of the twenty three that didn't turn him in.
Speaker 1: He was busy on his book and he forgot about
Speaker 1: the deadline and he called his partner up, said what
Speaker 1: do you like in these games? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: what did you submit? And he said, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: looking at him now, and the guy said, hey, it's
Speaker 1: three thirty. What are you talking about? And so they're
Speaker 1: they're combined. So yeah, and combined they start out with
Speaker 1: Owen fives across the board. Uh, and say what those
Speaker 1: quarterly prizes were again, the four week sprint in the
Speaker 1: five week at the end of the year. Yeah, one
Speaker 1: hundred forty three thousand, seven and fifty dollars. Wow, all right,
Speaker 1: didn't go so well for me because of the Lions
Speaker 1: and the Eagles. So I'm not gonna win that first quarterly.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you that I'll take another. And
Speaker 1: in your favorite BELICHICKI and uh voice, it's on to
Speaker 1: October on It's right, that's right. Uh, we're just here
Speaker 1: to We're gonna be on October obviously. Antonio Brown news
Speaker 1: great texts that we don't necessarily have to repeat, but
Speaker 1: I'd love to at some point. Uh. We think he's
Speaker 1: playing for the Patriots this weekend as far as we know.
Speaker 1: Me and Blanka laugh about this. The other big news
Speaker 1: was this morning Sam Donald Adam Gaze telling everybody, and
Speaker 1: we were talking about this on a Numbers Game Live
Speaker 1: that Adam Gaye telling everybody. Sam Donald's got mono mono nucleosis.
Speaker 1: I had that in college that destroys you, like you
Speaker 1: have no energy. Um, And so he's gone for this
Speaker 1: Monday night against the Browns. We saw that game, which
Speaker 1: was at two and a half being taken off the board.
Speaker 1: Then it came back in Vegas. Shout out to you
Speaker 1: guys in the West Gate, Mike. It came out at
Speaker 1: six and a half at the West Gate, which I
Speaker 1: thought was too much of a swing. You guys came
Speaker 1: out at five and a half. Then offshore it came
Speaker 1: out four and a half once they put it back up,
Speaker 1: and then that quickly moved back to six. Where are
Speaker 1: you now, Yeah, we moved from we took some bets
Speaker 1: at five and a half and where it's six as well,
Speaker 1: and it's six pretty much everywhere on that game. Right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's start with a Thursday night game thoughts, Todd. Since
Speaker 1: we haven't heard from you, you're awfully quiet, let us
Speaker 1: begin with any thoughts. Carolina Panthers seven point favorites tonight
Speaker 1: hosting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. By the way, you were
Speaker 1: just talking about the circum million. The circum million lines
Speaker 1: just came out and they have six and a half
Speaker 1: for the on the Circle contest for the Brown Jets.
Speaker 1: So just an interesting point. Now, as far as Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay and Carolina, Uh here's the thing. Carolina to me,
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday on a Numbers game. Carolina
Speaker 1: to me gave away fourteen points in the early part
Speaker 1: of that game. In that Rams game, they could easily
Speaker 1: won that game. Uh So, I kind of liked them.
Speaker 1: The only problem is I don't like it all the
Speaker 1: way up here at seven points, it just seems too
Speaker 1: much for a division old game. Tampa Bay had a
Speaker 1: game they could have won as well. Jamis through to
Speaker 1: two pick sixes. I don't see him throwing two pick
Speaker 1: six is the week after he just threw two. He's
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a lot more cautious you'll probably be
Speaker 1: a lower type scoring game, So I don't really want
Speaker 1: any part of this game. Mike, your thoughts on this
Speaker 1: one tonight? Seven is a tough number. Uh. I leaned
Speaker 1: Panthers here. I agree with Todd. I had my biggest
Speaker 1: play on Sunday was actually the total in that Rams
Speaker 1: that Rams first half against Carolina, so I watched it
Speaker 1: very intently. I thought there was a bad call Gil
Speaker 1: on that turnover that was it was a bad at
Speaker 1: ball that made it look like a lateral. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they didn't look at that and reverse that,
Speaker 1: but that gave the Rams first and goal. Really changed
Speaker 1: the complexion of that game. I thought Carolina played right
Speaker 1: with them. Um. I was concerned with Jamis's performance again
Speaker 1: with Tampa Bay even bringing Bruce arians and he just
Speaker 1: can't seem to correct his turnover issues and bone headed plays.
Speaker 1: I think the Panthers are the side here. But as
Speaker 1: Todd said, at seven, it's a tough play because now
Speaker 1: you have to win by two scores. If you were
Speaker 1: getting able to get it earlier at six or six
Speaker 1: and a half, probably a little bit of a lead.
Speaker 1: But it's a pass for me tonight. Yeah, I will
Speaker 1: tell you that it's a pass on the number. For me,
Speaker 1: I will be using Carolina in my teaser of the week, though,
Speaker 1: portent of things to come and to your points about
Speaker 1: everything that you guys just said. Jameis Winston one touchdown,
Speaker 1: three picks, two of which were returned to the house
Speaker 1: last week in the Buccaneers loss to the Niners. Forty
Speaker 1: Niners had two interceptions all of last year picked off
Speaker 1: Jamis three times again two to the house. Jamis gonna Jamis,
Speaker 1: as they like to say. And then Carolina and they're
Speaker 1: loss to the Rams. And Todd was able to watch
Speaker 1: this game twice. On the shortcut. Christian McCaffrey fills up
Speaker 1: a box score like nobody else. Nineteen carries dwenty eight yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns, ten receptions eighty one yards on top of that.
Speaker 1: But Cam Newton there is an interesting thing about him.
Speaker 1: I mean, the one sort of pause that it gives
Speaker 1: me the only reason I'm playing this Carol on the
Speaker 1: teas as opposed to against the spread. Cam Newton costly
Speaker 1: backward pass that resulted in fumbled deep in Carolina territory
Speaker 1: led to a Rams touchdown. Also had a pick with
Speaker 1: five five left in the game that was, and he
Speaker 1: was held by the way to a career low minus
Speaker 1: two yards rushing career low, meaning he's probably not looking
Speaker 1: to run as much. That was always part of his
Speaker 1: his weaponry and rams linebacker Corey Littleton. I was mentioning
Speaker 1: this morning and yesterday on the Numbers game. Interesting quote.
Speaker 1: Cam is a readable guy. Littleton had fourteen tackles, a
Speaker 1: pick in a fumble recovery. He gave me an opportunity
Speaker 1: and I read it perfectly. And it should be noted
Speaker 1: that Newton did not complete a pass of longer than
Speaker 1: seventeen yards in that game, but he said he didn't
Speaker 1: even think about his surgically repaired shoulder during the game.
Speaker 1: Simply took with the defense gave him. So it really
Speaker 1: comes down to do you believe Cam on that or not.
Speaker 1: But I will not take Carolina on the number. I
Speaker 1: will take Carolina in a tease. With the teaser coming up,
Speaker 1: all right, let us begin with the best bets of
Speaker 1: the week. Can start with you, Mr Palm, Sir, what
Speaker 1: do you got? What's your number? One? I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: against your best bet last week and I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the second straight road game, catching two
Speaker 1: at Cincinnati. I was very impressed with the retooled forty
Speaker 1: Niners defense last week against the said Buccaneers that we
Speaker 1: discussed from the Thursday night game. I thought they totally
Speaker 1: dominated that game. Yes, they did have two picks six is,
Speaker 1: but think about this. You know, firstco had two turners
Speaker 1: of their own and they have three touchdowns called back
Speaker 1: by penalty in that game. I think Kittle is so
Speaker 1: effective and such a safety net for Garoppolo and they
Speaker 1: go on the road. Cincinnati was competitive in Seattle, but
Speaker 1: remember that Fluke touchdown before the half on that on
Speaker 1: that Hail Mary, and then they really did not move
Speaker 1: the ball much in the second half, where they were
Speaker 1: much more successful in the first half. I think San
Speaker 1: Francisco was the better side here, and you're gonna catch
Speaker 1: a couple of points, so I'll make them my top play. Ye.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting line because it's sort of similar San
Speaker 1: Francisco's on the road against the non division opponent was
Speaker 1: right around to pick him last week. Movie one point
Speaker 1: either way. Here a consensus on this right now, as
Speaker 1: you just mentioned, let's just get a consensus number. Is
Speaker 1: San Francisco plus two? Uh? So you're on the Niners.
Speaker 1: By the way, just to clarify what Mike said, I
Speaker 1: was on the Bengals as my number one best bet
Speaker 1: on the megapod last week. I did have the Niners
Speaker 1: in circa todd your best bet of the week, my
Speaker 1: best bet of the week. All depends on whether I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get two and a half or three in this
Speaker 1: Bears game. Are we counting the Bears this two and
Speaker 1: a half consensus right now? Two and a half? Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: then I would like the Chicago Bears. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say you're gonna have a hired at take. That's my
Speaker 1: Chicago accident. You're gonna have a hired at take if
Speaker 1: you have the Denver Broncos this week. And here's why
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears held Mr Aaron Rodgers. You may have
Speaker 1: heard of him all state commercials. He was only able
Speaker 1: to get ten points against them in a game where
Speaker 1: their offense did nothing for them. Which makes it even
Speaker 1: harder for defense in the NFL to stop somebody as
Speaker 1: good as Aaron Rodgers. When your offense isn't even doing
Speaker 1: anything for you, and they held him to only ten points,
Speaker 1: I believe they can hold Denver to somewhere between minus
Speaker 1: two and minus five points during this game. If it
Speaker 1: was possible to get minus points in an NFL game,
Speaker 1: they'd be able to do it. Because Joe Flacco's gonna
Speaker 1: get head porn off. I don't want to hear about
Speaker 1: the altitude. I don't want to hear about the elevation
Speaker 1: in September. I don't want to hear about Denver nonsense.
Speaker 1: It's not a good football team. Vic Fangio is going
Speaker 1: to be a disaster. Give me the Chicago Bears. The Bears,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for cleaning up altitude and correcting that.
Speaker 1: Television appreciate that. And Vic Fangio, can we just say
Speaker 1: I compared him on a numbers game at Visa, and
Speaker 1: I said, he's like every middle American or middle aged
Speaker 1: man in a museum walking around with the Fannie pack
Speaker 1: with his hands clenched behind his back, walking slowly from
Speaker 1: painting to painting. It just feels like he is it
Speaker 1: over his head. Denver was down fifteen in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter driving against the Raiders and decided to kick a
Speaker 1: field goal to go down twelve instead of obviously going
Speaker 1: for touchdown, because what's the point of getting down twelve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was fun. That was very fun. Uh. So all
Speaker 1: all Well said, I understand all that. By the way,
Speaker 1: about your game, Mike, does it give you pause. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna try to play Devil's advocate on the Niners.
Speaker 1: I like the Niners too. I was on him last week.
Speaker 1: Eleven penalties ninety seven yards. They were plagued by penalties
Speaker 1: in the preseason. They had a lot of penalties last year.
Speaker 1: They got to clean that up eventually, don't they. Seat
Speaker 1: It'll cost him at some point because it's just too slow.
Speaker 1: That game was almost unwatchable in Tampa Bay. But it
Speaker 1: seemed like there was a two out of every three
Speaker 1: place had a penalty. Uh to your point, uh, Gill,
Speaker 1: that you made about Fangio and the guy from the
Speaker 1: Midwest with the Fannie pack, uh. Brent said, on my guys, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, because obviously he called the game in Oakland
Speaker 1: that it was quite a scene. You know, this is
Speaker 1: Fangio's first time being on the sideline and first time
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Just trying to get him hooked
Speaker 1: up with all the equipment. It took like six or
Speaker 1: seven minutes. They couldn't get the belt on him, and
Speaker 1: he said he felt very badly for him, terrible. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Wow, that's a great detail. Um My,
Speaker 1: my best bet of the week. And I just kind
Speaker 1: of landed on this this morning. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just sort of looked at it and I was like,
Speaker 1: why am I not playing? This is my best bet.
Speaker 1: I'm taking the Pittsburgh Steelers against the Seattle Seahawks. I'm
Speaker 1: curious how you guys feel about this. Pittsburgh right now,
Speaker 1: there are four point favorites consensus. You might be able
Speaker 1: to find three and a half out there, but they
Speaker 1: are consensus four point favorites at home against the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Seattle did exactly what I thought they would last week
Speaker 1: in that game against the Bengals. I just don't think
Speaker 1: they have enough offense to get away from teams, certainly
Speaker 1: not to cover a nine point spread what it was
Speaker 1: last week against the Bengals. And the Steelers couldn't have
Speaker 1: looked worse against the New England Patriots. They got absolutely
Speaker 1: beat down thirty three to three. Mike Tomlin had a
Speaker 1: Vic Fangio moment ten and seventeen left in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: They were down twenty to nothing, Tomlin says, you know,
Speaker 1: fourth and one, here at the at the goal at
Speaker 1: the one yard line, let's kick a field goal. You know,
Speaker 1: why not. I'll make it twenty two three we won't
Speaker 1: get shut out, and then fourth place for scribbage later,
Speaker 1: Brady to the door, set fifty eight yards Katie bart
Speaker 1: the door. So you know, the Steelers had five full
Speaker 1: possessions in the first half, and they punted on four
Speaker 1: of them. I think they went three and out three
Speaker 1: times as well. I just think they couldn't look worse.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're that bad of a football team.
Speaker 1: I think they get it together against the Seattle team that,
Speaker 1: even at home where they're supposed to be super awesome,
Speaker 1: had to eke it out against the Bengal squad that
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really gonna scare anybody as this
Speaker 1: season progresses. I think Pittsburgh shows that they are the
Speaker 1: team I thought they were before that game against New England.
Speaker 1: I'll take the Steelers. I'll give the four points. I felt,
Speaker 1: and watching the opening of a Numbers game this morning,
Speaker 1: that that's where you were gonna land and you sort
Speaker 1: of talk to yourself into it right on the air. Yes, um,
Speaker 1: I'm high on the I was high on the Steelers
Speaker 1: before the season, and I and I just said, I
Speaker 1: think I'm throwing out Game one. I just have to
Speaker 1: throw it out. It's very hard. That game is supposed
Speaker 1: to really be played Thursday night with the defending Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champion opening at home, and they didn't do it
Speaker 1: this year. They moved into Sunday night. That's a very
Speaker 1: tough atmosphere anytime you go in and play the defending
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion and their home opener. They sort of
Speaker 1: got overwhelmed. And so I'm I'm striking that, and uh,
Speaker 1: I agree with your play guilt. You know, before the
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown allegations came out, yesterday was it? Yesterday? Was
Speaker 1: the day before? I can't even remember anymore. So it happened,
Speaker 1: so yeah, Tuesday. So on on Tuesday morning before they
Speaker 1: came out, I had Michael Lombardi and will be on
Speaker 1: the Megapod by the way, this year several times, but
Speaker 1: I had Michael Lombardi on the show Visa's own Michael Lombardi,
Speaker 1: and I asked, Hey, let's say we lived in a
Speaker 1: bizarro world where you couldn't sign Antonio Brown before the
Speaker 1: weekend and let's say the Steelers, you know, got Let's
Speaker 1: say the Patriots crushed the Steelers as they did thirty
Speaker 1: three to three with their fleet of wide receivers. And
Speaker 1: then Tuesday morning I asked him, I go, no, owing
Speaker 1: that would they still if signing became open today? Would
Speaker 1: they still signed Antonio Brown? Given that they did so
Speaker 1: well and they had to make the calculus? Do we
Speaker 1: really want this this annoyance? And he said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been targeting him the whole time, They'd still sign him.
Speaker 1: And then twenty four hours later, after the sexual misconduct
Speaker 1: allegations came out, I sort of asked openly, now, what
Speaker 1: would Lombardi say? Would they really want this distracted after that?
Speaker 1: And I have to think at that point they probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't if they were given truth syrium. But right now
Speaker 1: he's playing. I don't know what's going to happen between
Speaker 1: now and Sunday. I have no guests on that. If
Speaker 1: you had to guess, Todd, do you think he makes
Speaker 1: it to this weekend? I don't think he's gonna play
Speaker 1: this weekend, But I don't know. You know, it's so
Speaker 1: hard to figure this nonsense out. It just gets aggravating. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he should play this weekend.
Speaker 1: I first of all, I don't even think she should
Speaker 1: be on the Patriots in the first place. The whole
Speaker 1: thing stinks. And where's David Stern when we need him
Speaker 1: to avoid a trade? He should void like he did
Speaker 1: with the Chris Paul trade. You know, we need some
Speaker 1: type of you know, commissioner in here to to not
Speaker 1: allow guys to just pick their own teams. It's just
Speaker 1: not fair. So from the beginning, I don't think this
Speaker 1: was fair. Now, whether he's gonna play on Sunday, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know. But I did want to say
Speaker 1: something about the Steelers. Um, he's The Steelers scare me
Speaker 1: a little bit. As you know, I'm a big Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers fan. I will bet against them if I think
Speaker 1: they're no good. Last week I didn't trust them. They
Speaker 1: never beat the Patriots. Um, you know, I have a
Speaker 1: feeling the Steelers. Maybe on the downside, I know everyone
Speaker 1: was was so big on the Steelers this year. Oh
Speaker 1: you know, Ben wants to prove he can do with
Speaker 1: let without Levy, on without Antonio, blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: to get beat down like that. I know the Patriots
Speaker 1: defense is good, but three points and you know, when
Speaker 1: did we ever say Judy Smith Schuster was a number one?
Speaker 1: He may not be. So I really want to see
Speaker 1: what we get out of Pittsburgh this week. This will
Speaker 1: be a very interesting game. Yeah, it should be noted
Speaker 1: the Antonio Brown thing has nothing to do with the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers, obviously, but it was just sort of a
Speaker 1: parenthetical side having to do with the Patriots. Who on
Speaker 1: guessing lines with Chrissy for those who listen to that
Speaker 1: show this week, that was one of my four word
Speaker 1: you know, I guess seventeen and a half sight unseen
Speaker 1: and he said, no, it's sixteen and a half. And
Speaker 1: I said, give me, Patriots, like, give it to me,
Speaker 1: give it to me right now. And he said he
Speaker 1: thought sharp betters would would take the Dolphins at sixteen
Speaker 1: and a half. And I said, well, if they're doing that,
Speaker 1: that's just muscle memory and that's too cool for school.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, the line not only came to me
Speaker 1: at seventeen and a half, but it's going through me
Speaker 1: it's at nineteen. So we'll see if that is among
Speaker 1: our best bets from the crew today. We shall see
Speaker 1: number two. Best bet, Mr Palm, What do you got?
Speaker 1: I have a question before number two? Please? What do
Speaker 1: you do on Sunday night? You go into a sensory
Speaker 1: deprivation chamber, so you have no way of knowing what
Speaker 1: the numbers are. Exactly. What I do? I get off
Speaker 1: Twitter this. I've been doing this for years. I completely
Speaker 1: get off Twitter. So what I do was I go
Speaker 1: into I put get all my notes for guessing lines.
Speaker 1: Because I have all these random stats that I give.
Speaker 1: It's pretty pretty thorough, and so I go into the
Speaker 1: box scores and the recaps of every single game, and
Speaker 1: so I stay away from actually looking at the line.
Speaker 1: I go to sleep, I wake up in the morning,
Speaker 1: I go to work, and then I just guess. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm embarrassed by my guesses. Sometimes not so much. That's
Speaker 1: interesting because I was I was listening Monday morning, and
Speaker 1: I thought, well, he's guessing lines that were out. I
Speaker 1: don't get it. So thank you for clarifying. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got it. My number. My number two pick is really
Speaker 1: one A. I really couldn't separate these. I like these equally,
Speaker 1: but I decided to go with the forty niners. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with the Buffalo bill staying in New Jersey
Speaker 1: to play the Giants. As everyone knows the record crowd
Speaker 1: that listened to this podcast last week, my top play
Speaker 1: was the Giants getting a touchdown from the Cowboys, so
Speaker 1: I got to watch in horrors. The Giants defense barely
Speaker 1: took the field in that game. I mean, there was
Speaker 1: no semblance that at any time they were ever going
Speaker 1: to stop the cow Boys, or that at any time
Speaker 1: they were ever going to cover anyone. I mean, they
Speaker 1: were making Dak Prescott look like Joe Montana. Uh. This
Speaker 1: is just a horrific, horrific defense. And what their game
Speaker 1: plan is for Eli, I have no idea. Um. I
Speaker 1: mean if they think that they want to get him
Speaker 1: on the move and that's gonna save his career. I
Speaker 1: was impressed. I Mean, the Bills were down sixteen to
Speaker 1: nothing in a game that looked like they you know,
Speaker 1: they just struggled in an ugly defensive game with the Jets,
Speaker 1: and then we're we're able to put it together in
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and rally and make every stop and
Speaker 1: uh and get the job done there. I was. I
Speaker 1: was more impressed with Josh Allen than I was with
Speaker 1: Darno in that game. And I think the Bills are
Speaker 1: clearly the better side here and there. You know, let's
Speaker 1: face the Giants at home are are not really a
Speaker 1: home field advantage because the fan base so disgusted with them.
Speaker 1: They'll have plenty of Bills fans in that crowd. And uh.
Speaker 1: And I think again the better side, and you're only
Speaker 1: laying a point in a half. So my number two
Speaker 1: best bet the Buffalo Bills. Why are they playing Eli Manning?
Speaker 1: Why are they playing Eli Manning? Like? What good does
Speaker 1: this do them? I have no idea why Daniel l
Speaker 1: is not playing To your point about their defense, Mike,
Speaker 1: the Giants gave up touchdown drives of seventy five, ninety three, eight, three,
Speaker 1: seventy five, and eighty nine yards on five consecutive possessions
Speaker 1: from the first through the third quarters against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: last week. That is not good, I'm told uh. And
Speaker 1: then Buffalo they went down sixteen to nothing. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: four turnovers in a six drive span in the first half.
Speaker 1: Two were fumbles, two were picks, But the Bill's defense
Speaker 1: was really good, so they kept it close. It was
Speaker 1: only six to nothing despite all those turnovers and then
Speaker 1: the Bills were also minus three in turnovers, uh their
Speaker 1: turnover differential, and I think one of them was just
Speaker 1: a like a nonsense last play of the game. So
Speaker 1: really it was minus four and they still won. That
Speaker 1: game changed when Jets middle linebacker C. J. Moseley went
Speaker 1: out of the game. So you're on Buffalo at the Giants,
Speaker 1: and that number consensus right now is one and a half,
Speaker 1: one and a half in favor of the visiting Bills.
Speaker 1: You are on the Bills, Todd, what's your number two?
Speaker 1: My number two pick is the Gardener Menshoe Show, and
Speaker 1: that is I like the Jacksonville Jaguars plus the nine
Speaker 1: against the Houston Texans. Now why do I like this?
Speaker 1: The Houston Texans are you know, put put put the
Speaker 1: Saints game out of your mind for a minute. The
Speaker 1: Houston Texans are defensive team and Bill O'Brien likes to
Speaker 1: run the football, tries to protect this quarterback. He doesn't
Speaker 1: usually win by margin. The Jacksonville Jaguars got whacked against Casey.
Speaker 1: There were guys wide open, but Kansas City did that
Speaker 1: all year last year. So I'm gonna throw that out
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say Jacksonville is really not as bad
Speaker 1: on defense as they look on Sunday, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take them plus nine against the team. To me, that
Speaker 1: is not a team that likes to win by margin.
Speaker 1: And nine points is a lot of points in the
Speaker 1: National Football League game. Uh. You know, Houston has to
Speaker 1: have a come down after that Monday night game, which
Speaker 1: was just a thriller uh in Saints Land. Uh. To me,
Speaker 1: I feel like this is just way too many points.
Speaker 1: And Menshew did not look overwhelmed. If Minshew had looked overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: and then I would stay away from this. But minshow
Speaker 1: to me, did not really look that bad. He did
Speaker 1: have two backdoor touchdown drives, which may not mean anything,
Speaker 1: but while the game was still in the balance, he
Speaker 1: was playing pretty well also, So I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the plus nine. To me, it's just too many points.
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. And by the way, who am
Speaker 1: I argue with you? Todd? You went two and one,
Speaker 1: we went one and two, So you know you're leading
Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. To your point about Gardner, Minshew twenty
Speaker 1: two of twenty five. Those are Phil Sims Super Bowl numbers.
Speaker 1: Twenty two of twenty five, two hundred seventy five yards,
Speaker 1: two touchdowns a pick. For those who missed it, Nick
Speaker 1: Foles broke his clavical after just eight passes. I said
Speaker 1: on guessing lines winning the Sam Bradford Predictable Injury Award,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones hit him as he released the thirty five
Speaker 1: yard touchdown pass. The DJ shark Shark was great, by
Speaker 1: the way, four catches, forty six yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Jones landing on Foles, by the way to not draw flag.
Speaker 1: Foles expected and will be on ajured reserve now. He
Speaker 1: was expected and he was placed on injured reserve. He's
Speaker 1: not eligible to play again for the Jags until Week eleven.
Speaker 1: None of that matters for this game though, where it
Speaker 1: is Minshew. The one thing I mentioned to Mike about
Speaker 1: the penalties with the Niners ten penalties for the Jaguars
Speaker 1: seventy one yards. Got to clean that up. But that
Speaker 1: is a lot of points. I'll give you that. Jacksonville
Speaker 1: catching nine consensus at the Houston Texans, who are looking
Speaker 1: to avenge that heartbreaking loss to the to the Saints
Speaker 1: on Monday night. That was something. My number two, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: is the Minnesota Vikings. Minnesota Vikings at green Bay. They're
Speaker 1: catching three here. Now. Would I be surprised that the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers won this game? No, I wouldn't be surprised,
Speaker 1: as division game wouldn't shock me. But you're given the
Speaker 1: Vikings three, I will happily take the three here. I
Speaker 1: was very surprised that it was a three points spread
Speaker 1: in favor of the Packers. It is a division game.
Speaker 1: Division games in a in a past time used to
Speaker 1: sort of default to three points, but those times are done.
Speaker 1: I guessed that this would be a pickum after Minnesota's
Speaker 1: great performance against the Falcons last week and Green Bay's
Speaker 1: you know, sketchy performance let's call it against Chicago. Probably
Speaker 1: better football team than they showed. I'd give you that,
Speaker 1: but Minnesota Kirk Cousins dropped back eleven times in that
Speaker 1: game against the Falcons. He ended up eight of ten
Speaker 1: for ninety eight yards. He was very cool about it after.
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, we just do what we need to
Speaker 1: to win. Gary Kubiak and Mike Zimmer were very honest
Speaker 1: before the regular season where they said, look, we're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball. We are looking to establish the run,
Speaker 1: and they did just that in their opener against the
Speaker 1: Falcons Dalvin Cook for one eleven two touchdowns, Cook who
Speaker 1: had missed seventeen of his first thirty two games to
Speaker 1: injury as a pro. They too, by the way, I
Speaker 1: had a lot of penalties eleven for a hundred, but
Speaker 1: Anthony Harris had two interceptions of fumble recovery Green Bay
Speaker 1: and their win against the Bears, oh so long ago.
Speaker 1: This is extrast here for the Packers seventeen pressures by
Speaker 1: their defense on Mr. Biscuite eleven by new players, but
Speaker 1: on offense against that vaunted Bears defense three point seven
Speaker 1: yards per play. They should do better than that, one
Speaker 1: would imagine moving forward. They were out gained in that
Speaker 1: game to still want it though we have gone over
Speaker 1: the rabisky woes already. But you're giving me three points.
Speaker 1: I get it. It's Aaron Rodgers. I'll happily take my shot.
Speaker 1: With this Vikings defense and Cousins having so many weapons
Speaker 1: at his disposal. You're giving me the three. I'll take
Speaker 1: the three. Minnesota's my second pick. Todd your thoughts, I
Speaker 1: just I'm scared to take uh Kirk Cousins against Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers in the crazy Green Bay environment. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: last year at green Bay. It should have been for
Speaker 1: Green Bay, but they had that horrible Clay Matthews call
Speaker 1: that ended up being a tie. To me, I'm just
Speaker 1: too scared of that game, so I'll stay away on that.
Speaker 1: I like that they're catching him in the warm weather,
Speaker 1: not in cold Green Bay. Three. Mike, I'd like to
Speaker 1: comment on Todd's second pick. I looked. I looked at
Speaker 1: that game as part of my teaser. I didn't use it,
Speaker 1: but I like his side there. You know, I think
Speaker 1: what people aren't talking about out of out of week
Speaker 1: one was just how good Mahomes was. Jackson Bill beat
Speaker 1: the living be David out of this guy. I mean
Speaker 1: they were hitting him high, low, and he was completing
Speaker 1: all these passes. It was like a herculean effort that
Speaker 1: I don't think that DeShawn Watson is gonna gonna repeat
Speaker 1: against that defense. I think that defense got a little
Speaker 1: bit more skewered in the thoughts of of of of
Speaker 1: our batters than really they deserved it because Mahomes was
Speaker 1: that good. But but I like his side there, and
Speaker 1: then in your game, I think that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: tough game. I wish that was a one thirty game
Speaker 1: instead of a ten am Pacific. This is a horrific
Speaker 1: lineup this week in ten early games and three late
Speaker 1: This is a great game and it should be. It
Speaker 1: should be kicking at at one thirty epic. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a central time, so there's no reason they couldn't
Speaker 1: have made that a feature game as well. Todd and
Speaker 1: I were talking about this affair this week, the fact
Speaker 1: that the NFL last week was perfect, right, seven early games,
Speaker 1: five afternoon games. Then you have the you know, in
Speaker 1: addition to Thursday night, you have the two Monday night games.
Speaker 1: That is the perfect NFL schedule. And now here we
Speaker 1: are a week two right back to the ten early
Speaker 1: games in the three afternoon games. What good does that
Speaker 1: do for anybody? Can we just get a lawyer who's
Speaker 1: listening right now to start a class act lawsuit again
Speaker 1: the NFL for pain and suffering and dude, for the
Speaker 1: ten games at one time, because the pain and suffering
Speaker 1: on a ten and three is ridiculous. How are you
Speaker 1: gonna watch ten games at one time do in game
Speaker 1: on all of them? It's too hard, And I'd like
Speaker 1: to do a class action law to for pain and suffering.
Speaker 1: Don't they know that we bet on these things. Do
Speaker 1: they have any idea that we've been on these things?
Speaker 1: Do you think you know it's all? It's also no
Speaker 1: good for industry, for all these bars and restaurants that
Speaker 1: do business on Sundays or casinos, and that it's horrific
Speaker 1: when you get down to three games because it really
Speaker 1: thins out your afternoon crowd and it doesn't spread out
Speaker 1: your business. So it's no good for commerce as well,
Speaker 1: no good for commerce as well. Excellent use of Herculean
Speaker 1: by the way, Mike as well. I think it's herculean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's Herculean. I think he's right. You didn't
Speaker 1: like my They beat the living the David out of him.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be respectful and not say, but
Speaker 1: Jesus and go with one of your kings instead of
Speaker 1: a false prophet. Thank you, thank you. That's very considerate
Speaker 1: of you, very considerate. The true Jesus is Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: and he got whack clus. I like the comments about
Speaker 1: Jacksonville though, because I do think it needs to be
Speaker 1: stated overreaction week right, Like we can't look at what
Speaker 1: happened in in week one A. We can't overreact and
Speaker 1: be we actually have to sort of focus on what
Speaker 1: did we actually see, right like, don't focus on the
Speaker 1: final And you're right, they beat up my Patrick Mose.
Speaker 1: He had to leave the game at one point. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that he was gonna come back. He did
Speaker 1: because youth is an amazing thing. But it looked like
Speaker 1: he got hit in the leg pretty bad. But he
Speaker 1: was right back in there doing his thing. What's your
Speaker 1: what's your third pick? I'm gonna go to a total
Speaker 1: here and I'm gonna use Todd's number one pick game
Speaker 1: at Denver, and I'm gonna go under forty one with
Speaker 1: the Broncos and the Bears. For for many of the reasons,
Speaker 1: Todd stated, you know, watching that game on Monday night,
Speaker 1: it was apparent early on, uh that Joe Flacco is
Speaker 1: just not interested in being an NFL quarterback, doesn't want
Speaker 1: to be in Denver, doesn't really care to throw the
Speaker 1: ball above anybody's ankles. That point specifically killed me. And
Speaker 1: it's not really interested in winning. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: terrible that it makes Jay Cutler's body language look good.
Speaker 1: They were they were awful. Um what what more? What
Speaker 1: are the Bears gonna do to him? What the Raiders
Speaker 1: did to him. You're right, Todd lost lost in that game,
Speaker 1: as his story game against Aaron Rodgers and how they
Speaker 1: held him down and then and then. I don't think
Speaker 1: Denver's defense will be as bad as it was against
Speaker 1: Oakland as well. I think they will generate a pass rush.
Speaker 1: They can do this for two games in a row.
Speaker 1: Fancio is still a respected defensive mind. I think this
Speaker 1: is an extremely low scoring game. When thinking about this,
Speaker 1: I thought this game would be something like seventeen to
Speaker 1: twelve or twenty to twelve Bears, So I thought it
Speaker 1: would go well. Under the forty one. I envisioned that
Speaker 1: Denver will kick four field goals maybe if they can
Speaker 1: get there. I think Fangio has some sort of a
Speaker 1: tie in with a McManus bonus clause that he just
Speaker 1: wants to keep trying field goals. So under the forty
Speaker 1: one is my third best pick. Under forty one Chicago Demo,
Speaker 1: all right, pick number three? Time pick number three. I
Speaker 1: want to I want to say I like that one
Speaker 1: by by Mike for obvious reasons. Um, okay, here my
Speaker 1: third pick is a total as well, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to your rematch of last year's NFC championship game the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saint over the fifty two. Now, if you
Speaker 1: guys remember last year, I believe these teams played in
Speaker 1: the regular season. The final score I believe was forty
Speaker 1: five to thirty five. That's eighty points, and the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. The game was in the mid twenties, I believe,
Speaker 1: But you know, could have easily been more so to
Speaker 1: me early in the season. While it's not, you know, playoff,
Speaker 1: you know, playoff, you know stress, it's more, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not as crazy a defensive game. I
Speaker 1: think the Rams in the second half got off the
Speaker 1: schneid and started moving the ball on the road against
Speaker 1: the tough Carolina defense. I think they'll be able to
Speaker 1: move it against New Orleans. As we saw New Orleans
Speaker 1: you know, give up a touchdown in thirty seven seconds
Speaker 1: to uh Mr Deshaun Watson at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: which was a travesty of justice, but it happened. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I don't think New Orleans defense is that great. I
Speaker 1: think the Rams will get up into the mid twenties,
Speaker 1: high twenties, and I think that the Saints will also
Speaker 1: get up into the high twenties. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: over the fifty two in l A. I usually I'm
Speaker 1: scared to take the Saints in bad weather, but it's
Speaker 1: not gonna be bad weather or on grass for that matter.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good weather. So you know, I like
Speaker 1: the over. And I'm told that playoff game between the
Speaker 1: Saints and the Rams ended ignominiously. I just want to
Speaker 1: use that word. Uh yeah, that was the obviously the
Speaker 1: uh the play that caused the NFL to now review
Speaker 1: past interference or to allow the review of past interference,
Speaker 1: as the Saints got hosed a year after the Minnesota
Speaker 1: miracle knocked him out of the playoffs. So you like
Speaker 1: the over there, Mike likes the under in Chicago, Denver.
Speaker 1: Let me before I get my third pick, let me
Speaker 1: tell you what nearly was a pick but missed the cut,
Speaker 1: which therefore means they're guaranteed to win. I, against my
Speaker 1: better judgment, think very hard about playing the Lions, the
Speaker 1: Lions who destroyed those of us who had them last
Speaker 1: week as they snatched a tie from the jaws of
Speaker 1: victory Detroit two and a half points. Catching versus the
Speaker 1: Chargers by thinking here is very simple and The reason
Speaker 1: that I thought about taking Detroit there not my third pick,
Speaker 1: but I thought about them is that the Chargers are
Speaker 1: just losing bodies left and right. Hunter Henry is now
Speaker 1: gone for four to six weeks. Mike Williams has knee problems,
Speaker 1: this of course already on the heels of Russell o'cum
Speaker 1: being out, not to mention the Melvin Gordon hold out.
Speaker 1: So many things with the Chargers, and by the way,
Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn still their coach for so over every Matt
Speaker 1: Patricia comment, I point, counterpoint you with Anthony Lynn. So
Speaker 1: I thought about the Lions. Ultimately is stay away game
Speaker 1: for me. I also thought about the Redskins on guessing lines.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, uh, if this gets to six, I'm
Speaker 1: all about the Redskins, and I am starting to see
Speaker 1: the first sixes flash up on the screen. It's still
Speaker 1: not a consensus six, it's a consensus five and a half.
Speaker 1: But if it gets to six, that might be enough
Speaker 1: for me to play the Redskins. Just not gonna make
Speaker 1: that pick now, So uh call me square. Kansas City
Speaker 1: giving seven still seven a slight consensus over seven and
Speaker 1: a half. Seven at Oakland, I'm taking the Chiefs for
Speaker 1: all the reasons you said about Patrick Mahomes, there is
Speaker 1: nothing about the Chiefs game, even without Tyreek Hill. There
Speaker 1: was nothing about their performance yesterday that lee me to
Speaker 1: believe they can't just run the Raiders off the court.
Speaker 1: Mahomes thirty three three seventy three touchdown Snoe picks. Most
Speaker 1: of those yards were in the first half. Uh shady
Speaker 1: Lashawn McCoy ten of eighty one. He's gonna get a
Speaker 1: lot of run. And Sammy Watkins nine catches, yards, three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Mahomes completed passes to nine receivers, even though Watkins had
Speaker 1: most of the highlights. Tyreek though out for a few weeks,
Speaker 1: that for sure. But I don't think the Raiders are good.
Speaker 1: I don't think that even after they beat the statue
Speaker 1: that was Joe Flacco. I'm taking Kansas City in a
Speaker 1: division game on the road, everything you're not supposed to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm laying the seven. How about that? So that's
Speaker 1: my third pick. We'll see how we go. Todd was
Speaker 1: two in one last week. Mike and I we were
Speaker 1: one and two. Forget the Lions, forget the Eagles. It's
Speaker 1: a results oriented business. But I would have made the
Speaker 1: same picks again, I really would have, Like, there's nothing
Speaker 1: about those games the Eagles when we're when they were
Speaker 1: down seventeen and nothing, I said, I bet you they win.
Speaker 1: I still think they cover. They would have covered had
Speaker 1: it not been for the Redskins given up a fourth
Speaker 1: and six and fourth and twelve on that final garbage drive.
Speaker 1: But that is the NFL, and that's that's the main
Speaker 1: point I want to say about the NFL. If I
Speaker 1: didn't have Bianca Andrescue in the US Open Women's final
Speaker 1: last week or brain dead MLB parlays, thank god I
Speaker 1: had those, because the NFL and college football destroyed me.
Speaker 1: It was a quick reminder everything that could go your
Speaker 1: way is going to go against you. Tied you in
Speaker 1: a great point about back doors on a Numbers game yesterday.
Speaker 1: Would you like to repeat that? Yeah? Sure, The backdoor
Speaker 1: touchdown to me has become, you know, such an epidemic
Speaker 1: now because the NFL has made the game so offensive
Speaker 1: minded point of ridiculous. It's so hard to get a
Speaker 1: stop in an NFL game, and then once your team
Speaker 1: is ahead by enough late that the guys just decided
Speaker 1: that they're not gonna, you know, buckle down and try
Speaker 1: to get stops anymore. So here's who had backdoor touchdowns
Speaker 1: last week. Caroline had down thirty to twenty God wanted
Speaker 1: to lose thirty seven to the Rams. Denver got one
Speaker 1: against the Raiders to lose by I believe eight points.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville had two touchdowns against the Chiefs on the back
Speaker 1: door variety, The Redskins had the aforementioned backdoor that hurt
Speaker 1: Gil's feelings. The Falcons had two backdoors Kota. The Giants
Speaker 1: had a backdoor against Dallas. The only two teams that
Speaker 1: didn't really get backdoors were the the Miami Dolphins, who
Speaker 1: some might say are not an NFL team, and the
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who had just thrown a pick six
Speaker 1: to go down thirty one fourteen, had two minutes left
Speaker 1: to get a backdoor and didn't get one. But it's
Speaker 1: kind of understandable because at that point that you know
Speaker 1: that all the air was pulled out of the balloon.
Speaker 1: So you know, basically what I'm saying here is if
Speaker 1: there was an opportunity for a backdoor, it almost happened
Speaker 1: every single scenario, and if you remember last year, it
Speaker 1: happened a ton last year as well. So Please be careful,
Speaker 1: especially if you're laying big numbers. Don't make the mistake
Speaker 1: I made in the Raider game where I had minus
Speaker 1: ten because I had the second half line which was
Speaker 1: Raiders plus four. The only way that's safe is if
Speaker 1: the Raiders are up eighteen. Unfortunately the Raiders were up
Speaker 1: fifteen and I took, you know, a tough beat there,
Speaker 1: and so be very careful when you're when you're in
Speaker 1: the especially like the game like Euston Jacksonville, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be minus nine. If if they're only down by fifteen late,
Speaker 1: you're in a lot of trouble because these backdoors are
Speaker 1: an epidemic. You said that you know you you related
Speaker 1: to the touchdown cushion? How many times during a bet
Speaker 1: do you, guys think about the the one score cushion
Speaker 1: of your bed, like if you're up, Like I'm constantly
Speaker 1: thinking about that when I have a bet going, am
Speaker 1: I one freak play? Like? Can I withstand a freak play?
Speaker 1: And until I'm at that point, I never feel comfortable
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Speaker 1: Thank me later. Teaser time. Teaser of the week, Mike,
Speaker 1: we start with you, what do you got? I'll do
Speaker 1: like you'll do, Gil and give the honorable mentions like
Speaker 1: you like to do on this show. So I had
Speaker 1: I had a group of four here that I had
Speaker 1: to pick two out of it. And also i'll tell
Speaker 1: you the ones I didn't use. I thought very hard
Speaker 1: about taking the the Jets plus thirteen. Now with this
Speaker 1: line movement, I think it is an overreaction to this.
Speaker 1: I don't think Simeon is maybe as bad as he
Speaker 1: looked under Vance Joseph. That's a lot of points against
Speaker 1: the Freddie Kitchens team on the road. And then the
Speaker 1: other one was Todd's game. I thought about I thought
Speaker 1: about teasing the Jaguars up to sixteen in that game.
Speaker 1: But here's what I did end up with. I ended
Speaker 1: up teasing the Ravens down to six against the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: I still think that. I still think Kyler, Murray and
Speaker 1: Kingsbury are who we thought they were for the first
Speaker 1: three quarters of that game before uh, Matt Patricia decided
Speaker 1: to go into a pre event for eighteen minutes and
Speaker 1: and uh and and I think Baltimore is an underrated
Speaker 1: place to play. I mean, you think about two stadiums
Speaker 1: that are not far apart, with one being very little
Speaker 1: home field advantage, and with the Redskins and then the Ravens,
Speaker 1: I think that that is a very passionate crowd in
Speaker 1: a tough place to play. And then the other one
Speaker 1: is your play. Gil I chieve teas the chief style
Speaker 1: to a pick against the Raiders. I don't see how
Speaker 1: the Raiders win this game. I think the Chiefs will. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll score in the thirties there, so I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the Ravens and Chiefs in my two team teaser?
Speaker 1: Are we doing six point or seven point? Six pointers?
Speaker 1: Six pointers? Because I see Baltimore at my third team,
Speaker 1: which would only move them down to seven, and Kansas
Speaker 1: City at seven, which would move them down to minus one?
Speaker 1: Am I wrong? That's that's correct? Dead, So six with
Speaker 1: seven and one the one is fine. So six to
Speaker 1: seven and one. And let me clarify something I said
Speaker 1: last week, because I think in my haste I misspoken.
Speaker 1: I hope people got the essence of it, which is
Speaker 1: when you go to the Stanford Wong teasers, that the
Speaker 1: positive e V the plus e V teasers in the
Speaker 1: NFL are teasing home favorites of more than seven down
Speaker 1: through the seven and the three, and both home and
Speaker 1: road dogs back up through the three and the seven.
Speaker 1: So you get more than seven points. May have misspoken
Speaker 1: that last week in in haste, but I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope everybody got the the correct meaning of it. What
Speaker 1: Mike is doing right there, as a long term proposition
Speaker 1: is not a plus EV thing to take a road
Speaker 1: favorite of of of seven or in this case at seven,
Speaker 1: but usually seven and a half or more. We're talking
Speaker 1: about down through the seven and the three. That's usually
Speaker 1: not like long term, that's not plus e V. But
Speaker 1: in this case I like it a lot, obviously based
Speaker 1: on my pick, Todd, what do you got? Yeah? Can
Speaker 1: I mention one of the thing about teasers that I
Speaker 1: learned this last year, And I don't know if all
Speaker 1: the books do this the same way, but if you tie,
Speaker 1: for instance, in Mike's if he takes the Ravens down
Speaker 1: from thirteen to seven and the Ravens win by seven,
Speaker 1: Kansas City covers the tease number. I heard that at
Speaker 1: some books you you get a push and some you
Speaker 1: actually lose. Is that true? You really have to check
Speaker 1: the rules of your sports book MGM, for instance, because
Speaker 1: I used to talk to j Rude about this all
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know if the rules still exists,
Speaker 1: but Jay Rude, if there was a. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember the scenario if there was a tie and the loss,
Speaker 1: I don't think he won. Yeah, and loss on the
Speaker 1: teaser is a push. It's a push. Now, that's not
Speaker 1: the rule off shore, but like you really have to
Speaker 1: check the rules of the sports books, whether where there
Speaker 1: are legal ones here in the United States, whether offshore ones,
Speaker 1: because everybody plays it a little differently. And that used
Speaker 1: to chap Jay's hide all the time that he would
Speaker 1: have to give that money back. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring it up because and I was looking
Speaker 1: at my game as well, the Ravens games to move
Speaker 1: it down to seven. But I was thinking, but it
Speaker 1: could easily push and I and that made me remember
Speaker 1: that whole thing about the controversy about the pushes. But anyway, um,
Speaker 1: I can can you want me to give you my
Speaker 1: teacher now? Gil please? Okay, my teaser is going to
Speaker 1: be the Kansas City I know it's not the the
Speaker 1: e V you know, proper thing. I just don't see
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs losing at the Raiders, you know,
Speaker 1: with just so casey minus one. Uh. And then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna move the Carolina Panthers for tonight down to one
Speaker 1: as well. So basically the Carolina Panthers from seven down
Speaker 1: to one, case from seven down to one, and there's
Speaker 1: my two team er um and hopefully I get as
Speaker 1: lucky as I did this week when uh, you know
Speaker 1: the youth Ben hit the field goal to cover the
Speaker 1: other side of my tees. Yeah, I'm going to all
Speaker 1: Stanford won teaser on this. I am taking Carolina. As
Speaker 1: I said at the beginning of the show, Caroline is
Speaker 1: one of the legs. Te's it down to one in
Speaker 1: this game against Tampa Bay Carolina. As you said, even
Speaker 1: in defeat last week, Todd maybe should have won that
Speaker 1: game this past Sunday. Is that two bowld of a statement?
Speaker 1: Do you think that maybe they should have won it?
Speaker 1: I could. I think they could have easily won the game.
Speaker 1: You give a team a fourteen point lead, that's as
Speaker 1: good as the Rams, and you still were in the game.
Speaker 1: So why couldn't they have won? Yeah? And and for me,
Speaker 1: Carolina being oh and one is a home game, prime
Speaker 1: time standalone. They're not trying to go oh and too.
Speaker 1: They're gonna win this football game. Jamis is on the
Speaker 1: other side of the field. And I will say this.
Speaker 1: You know, some bets you have to be willing to
Speaker 1: lose and if Jamis can beat me, Tip of the
Speaker 1: Cap proved me wrong. So Caroline is one of the
Speaker 1: legs on this. The other one is the Sunday Night game.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Atlanta and I'm gonna tease that through the
Speaker 1: three and the seven. So I'm gonna tease it to
Speaker 1: eight and take the homestanding Falcons plus eight. I know
Speaker 1: they couldn't have looked any worse than they did against
Speaker 1: the Vikings last week. They were down twenty eight to
Speaker 1: nothing before they got the garbage twelve points. And Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: who I have in the Super Bowl, I really do. Um,
Speaker 1: this is not a shot at the Eagles at all,
Speaker 1: but I like the Falcons getting a full eight at
Speaker 1: home primetime Sunday Night. So it's the Panthers for me.
Speaker 1: The Falcons Sunday Night tied into that. Panthers Falcons my
Speaker 1: teaser of the week. You already for the final two
Speaker 1: questions here that we wrap up every show with. And
Speaker 1: by the way, people should know we will have rotating
Speaker 1: guests this year as well. We're just changing it up
Speaker 1: a little. We won't have them as often, but um,
Speaker 1: we will have Michael Lombardi on the show. We will
Speaker 1: have the Brady Cannons of the world on the show.
Speaker 1: Maybe get the producing number five Jeff Parl's in here
Speaker 1: as well. We'll do that as well. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: coax fort and Ball. I don't know what Fort and
Speaker 1: Ball's rules are anymore, but maybe he can come on
Speaker 1: the show. But we'll get the all star cast in
Speaker 1: here for rotating final two questions, though, gentlemen, let us
Speaker 1: begin with the one about the big favorites. Which of
Speaker 1: the big favorites defined by a touchdowner more, is the
Speaker 1: most likely in your opinion to lose outright? Not saying
Speaker 1: you're saying that it will, but what's the most likely
Speaker 1: to lose outright? Starts with tonight's Thursday night game Carolina
Speaker 1: touchdown favorites, seven point favorites over the Buccaneers. Then Sunday morning,
Speaker 1: Houston nine point favorites hosting the Jacksonville Jaguars, or as
Speaker 1: some people like to call them, the Jaguires. Never understood
Speaker 1: that Baltimore thirteen point favorites over the Cardinals, and then
Speaker 1: the biggest favorite on the board, the New England Patriots.
Speaker 1: We all stayed away from this game. At its current line,
Speaker 1: Patriots are eighteen and a half. Let's call it consensus.
Speaker 1: This is actually like steadied out at eighteen and al
Speaker 1: eighteen and a half point favorites on the road against
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. Then uh, Sunday afternoon Kansas City seven
Speaker 1: point road favorites against the Raiders, and then we'll throw
Speaker 1: should we throw in the Monday night as part of that,
Speaker 1: just to make it interesting, Let's do that. Cleveland, make
Speaker 1: it easy for you. Cleveland six and a half point favorites.
Speaker 1: Now with the Sam Donald mono nucleosis situation, Trevor Simeon
Speaker 1: is your starting quarterback for the Cleveland Browns at the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Throw them in there. Which is the
Speaker 1: most likely to lose outright in your opinion of that group? Mike,
Speaker 1: the fighting O'Brien's from Houston. The fighting O'Brien's from Houston.
Speaker 1: More of an anti O'Brien or pro Jacksonville decision for you,
Speaker 1: It's a combination. But I think Jacksonville, Uh, it's an
Speaker 1: overreaction this nine and Jacksonville went up against, as I
Speaker 1: said before, a great effort by Mahomes and and and
Speaker 1: an offense. That's on another level. So I'm not sold
Speaker 1: on that Texans. Uh. I thought they were pretty against
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Actually they got the benefit of that turnover
Speaker 1: inside the Tan in the first half. Back in half,
Speaker 1: they just absolutely shredded them town drives their first three possessions.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the Cleveland Brownies. Uh. Trevor Simeon.
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Trevor Simeon last year. He's,
Speaker 1: you know, slightly below average quarterback. He's not gonna really
Speaker 1: throw too many picks. He's kind of like a He's
Speaker 1: kind of like the John Fox of quarterbacks. If you
Speaker 1: remember John Fox. He would play very, very you know,
Speaker 1: tight to the vest, and he would win your seven
Speaker 1: eight games because his teams would never turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: So I'm you know, in the NFL, if you just
Speaker 1: don't turn the ball over and you wait for the
Speaker 1: other team to make mistakes, you can just win accidentally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could win seven eight games just by not making mistakes.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets game plan is gonna be Trevor Simeon,
Speaker 1: don't try to be a hero, don't try to lose
Speaker 1: the game, and let's hope Jesus himself. Baker Mayfield can
Speaker 1: throw a couple of picks and maybe the Jets could
Speaker 1: theoretically win that game. By the way, if the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys were in that group, if they had were just
Speaker 1: a ticker, they're so a point high. I would have
Speaker 1: picked the Dallas Cowboys on the road at Washington, because
Speaker 1: I think that would be way too high. But because
Speaker 1: they're not in it, my answer will be the and
Speaker 1: I don't expect this to happen, but my answer would
Speaker 1: be the Cleveland Browns as well, Cleveland Browns on Monday night,
Speaker 1: Let's see something from them. Let's see a win here.
Speaker 1: Let's see Freddie Kitchens get through a game here with
Speaker 1: a win before I get all crazy about them. And
Speaker 1: I'm with you, I don't think that the move from
Speaker 1: Donald to Simeon was justified. I think it's an overreaction.
Speaker 1: Trevor Simeon, as you say, is a you know, as
Speaker 1: long as he doesn't turn the ball over. Got us
Speaker 1: figure out the status on c J. Mosley though, that's
Speaker 1: the big thing right now. Is c J. Mosley playing
Speaker 1: in this football game? Because when he went out of
Speaker 1: that game against the Bills, that entire thing changed, and
Speaker 1: right now if you, uh, if you get the status
Speaker 1: on c. J. Mosley, as we do this podcast, and
Speaker 1: we're doing it for those who don't know about eleven
Speaker 1: am Pacific Thursday morning, the status on c. J. Mosley,
Speaker 1: who left the field with a groin injury on Sunday,
Speaker 1: very questionable right now. We do not know what his
Speaker 1: story is. There is nothing definitive on Moseley, you guys
Speaker 1: seeing anything on him. By the way, while you look
Speaker 1: up the update on Mosley. If this game leaks to seven,
Speaker 1: which I which I suspect it may on Monday night,
Speaker 1: I have to bet the Jets. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Seven points. You know you're gonna make a You're gonna
Speaker 1: make a five point adjustment for Donald to Simeon. That's ludicrous, Sam.
Speaker 1: Donald is not a great quarterback. Folks. Let me go
Speaker 1: to Rhoda while. Let me go to the fantasy people,
Speaker 1: because that's probably the way to go to actually, cause
Speaker 1: I'm looking for actual reportage on this. It's amazing how
Speaker 1: frustrating that can be. By the way, you like the
Speaker 1: reportage reportage c J. Mosley, Rhoda Wire, here's the latest.
Speaker 1: Gotta go to the fantasy people. For the for the
Speaker 1: real deal questionable. That's the official status, so nobody knows.
Speaker 1: It's basically what we're saying here Thursday morning. But that
Speaker 1: would be the answer to the question for me on
Speaker 1: that would be the Cleveland Browns most likely the big
Speaker 1: favorites to lose outright, question if you could bet, Mike,
Speaker 1: we live in a bizarro world. They're sixteen games. You
Speaker 1: were forced to make a side bet on fifteen of them,
Speaker 1: but you got one free pass. One game you wouldn't
Speaker 1: even bet with my money. What game would that be?
Speaker 1: It's the Dolphins Patriots game. I just this number. I
Speaker 1: thought about it. What I even tease the Dolphins up
Speaker 1: to twenty four and a half? I I just can't.
Speaker 1: It's just an NFL game, and these are still professional athletes,
Speaker 1: whether they're semi intentionally tanking, intensely tanking, whether this is
Speaker 1: the best Patriots defense, and so for I can't touch
Speaker 1: this game. This number is just it's not in my comprehension.
Speaker 1: Such a great thing to ask yourself. Would you even
Speaker 1: tease this to twenty four and a half. It's so true,
Speaker 1: it's so truly. I don't know. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would Todd, same question. I gotta go with the
Speaker 1: l A Chargers Detroit game. The l A Chargers have
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this on on a Numbers game.
Speaker 1: They do charge or esque things to keep the other
Speaker 1: team in the game. They started off again this year.
Speaker 1: Three Bizarro plays in the last fifteen and a half
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, a bumble punt, a pick in
Speaker 1: the end zone, and then you can't make an easy
Speaker 1: tackle at the eighteen yard line. The Chargers are just
Speaker 1: the team that you just scared to death when they
Speaker 1: have the lead and you're betting on them. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Detroit, which we all know caused us all
Speaker 1: tremendous heartache last week. Well you know which Detroit is it.
Speaker 1: There's such a whacko team. You know, you could easily
Speaker 1: see them being down nine late and cover, you know,
Speaker 1: with a backdoor touchdown. I just want no part of
Speaker 1: these two wacko teams. Two wacko teams. For me, it's
Speaker 1: Colts Titans, Titans favored by three. That's not moving off
Speaker 1: that number. Ever. Um, I don't know. I have no
Speaker 1: idea how Tennessee looked great in their win over Cleveland.
Speaker 1: We all made second half bets or halftime bets on
Speaker 1: that Vrabel versus Kitchens. That worked out beautifully, But I'm
Speaker 1: not a big Marcus Mariotta guy, or as Mike Arico
Speaker 1: insists on referring to him in the Hawaiian pronunciation Mariota.
Speaker 1: Then there's Jacoby Brissett in the Colts who stormed back,
Speaker 1: and we went through that yesterday on the show about
Speaker 1: how the Chargers had no business letting him back. But
Speaker 1: did you Kobe percent By the way, minimum five hundred
Speaker 1: bases in history, the best interception right in the history
Speaker 1: of the National Football League. He was one last week.
Speaker 1: Two touchdowns, no picks. T why Hilton was great, Marlon
Speaker 1: Mack even better carries from one put that all in
Speaker 1: the wash. I just want no part of that game
Speaker 1: Indianapolis catching three at Tennessee. Gil. I want to ask
Speaker 1: you and Todd a question if we have time, please absolutely,
Speaker 1: because I've heard different opinions on this. It's not really
Speaker 1: betting related, but the two the double header on Monday
Speaker 1: night got chance for America to hear two different crews,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get your thoughts on the The
Speaker 1: TESTA tour booker McFarland team in the in the booth
Speaker 1: versus versus Levy and Uh and Greasy. I have a
Speaker 1: strong opinion that one was vastly superior to the other.
Speaker 1: You believe that the Leavy Greasy pairing was far better,
Speaker 1: don't you? And I wish we could have of them
Speaker 1: every Monday night. Yeah. Todd Wright, who does my fantasy
Speaker 1: segment every week on a numbers game Thursdays on Visan
Speaker 1: who is and, by my money, the greatest radio host
Speaker 1: who's ever lived. He was the host of the classic
Speaker 1: radio show All Night with Todd Right back on ESPN
Speaker 1: back in the day. He has a podcast called The
Speaker 1: Todd Right Toddcast, and he spent forty minutes forty minutes
Speaker 1: eviscerating Booger McFarland this week, just absolutely viscerating him. So
Speaker 1: if you're into that kind of thing, I point you
Speaker 1: to the Todd Right Toddcast. But he's with you. He
Speaker 1: he is much more about leaving Greasy. I am not
Speaker 1: a testator guy. I think he gets overly excited at times,
Speaker 1: and Booger doesn't do it for me either. I don't
Speaker 1: feel astoria as Todd Right, but I think by default
Speaker 1: I go with the Levy Greasy group. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Bill on that one. Boger don't annoy me that much.
Speaker 1: But Steve Levi, I've always liked Steve Levy and Brian
Speaker 1: Greasy's U confidence. I'm glad we settle dead. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this, it's a hell of a lot better
Speaker 1: without Jason Witten in the past, because Jason Witten was off. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. I do not like Jason
Speaker 1: Witten as an announcer at all. But why did they
Speaker 1: think Jason Witten would be that good? Why did they
Speaker 1: get sold on stuff like that? You got me? Did
Speaker 1: they do what he test runs with him? I mean,
Speaker 1: how did they make that decision? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean they made Mitch, They made Mitch and PAULI try
Speaker 1: out at Jason. They could have at least made Wit
Speaker 1: Witten try out a do we know sports media executives
Speaker 1: are not exactly great at picking out sports media talent.
Speaker 1: Todd sounds like he has a little double entendre to that.
Speaker 1: But let that hang. By the way, you were not
Speaker 1: taking a shot at Mitch and PAULI. That was actually
Speaker 1: a compliment to mission Paul. He wasn't absolutely they've only
Speaker 1: been in the business twenty years and haven't track right.
Speaker 1: That's right, all right. Well, I'm glad we got all
Speaker 1: that settled out there. Good luck with all your picks
Speaker 1: for Mike, palm for Todd, wish that megapod kill Alexander.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. H