1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on everybody, John Middlecop, we'll 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: go hello baby, go low, Let's talk some golf Tory 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: Pines this week. It's actually starting, you know. I set 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: this podcast up. Obviously we do football Monday Tuesday, so 5 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: those days weren't really available. But I was like, Wednesday 6 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: makes more sense than Thursday because the golf tournament start Thursday. 7 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: So if we're gonna talk a little gambling, which we're 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: definitely going to in season. Jason Sobel, who's covered golf forever, 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna come on and kind of do 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: like a stucky roll if you listen to the football podcast, 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: don't want to pick a couple, you know guys he likes. 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: We'll talk to him every week and we'll see how 13 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: that goes. Actually network on top of me just talking, 14 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: and of course at the Goal Pod, I have a 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: bunch of Goal Pod mail bag questions, so slide up 16 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: in those em and I'll answer him here on the podcast. 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: But because the PGA Tour, I give him a lot 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: of credit. I mean, to move this event up is genius. 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: To go Wednesday through Saturday is what you do. There 20 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: is no reason, and I mean zero reason to compete 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: against the NFL. I say it all the time, and listen. 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm new school. I think baseball should end in 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: August and start the playoffs and not put them against football. 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: I think the NBA should start their season like January one. 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: Just avoid football at all costs. It doesn't make any 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: sense sometimes in life, you know, listen, like if you 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: can avoid Michael Jordan's or Tiger Woods, avoid them and 28 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: tip your hat and do business otherwise, and then when 29 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: they go away, take advantage. You know, golf has all summer. 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: Football is almost over. I am really really glad they 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: did this. I I enjoy watching Tory Pines, even though 32 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: I was actually at my brother's house. Uh would have 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: been last Friday, and uh he had played Tory Pines. 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: My brother he actually needs labor surgery. But he he's 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: a good player. He's a lefty. He you know, I 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: think he hasn't played golf in six months because he 37 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: heard his shoulder. But he went down to like, you know, 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: one and a half two, you know, shooting mid to 39 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: low seventies every round. And he him and his wife, 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: they went to San Diego last summer and they stayed 41 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: at a friend, a guy he does business with condo, 42 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: and he's like, screw, I'll take my clubs and I'll 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: play some courses down there. So he played Tory Pines 44 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: and they had just I think it was like, you know, 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: a month or two removed from the Open. So he's like, ship, 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I'll go down there. And I wish I was actually 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: gonna meet him there, but I didn't. And he paid 48 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: three fifty dollars because a non resident it costs like 49 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: two fifty. Then they charge you like some other fee 50 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: and the cart and it cost three fifty dollars. Well, 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: if it's in great shape, you're playing a US Open course, 52 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: I get it. Like I had no problem with it, 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Like I've paid two hundred dollars to play Harding. When 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: it's in good shape, You're like, wow, they have a 55 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, major here. He said it was in terrible shape. 56 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: And that's sometimes I see it with Harding. I've been 57 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: when it's not locked in, and I would imagine Toris 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: the same way. They don't keep care of the course. 59 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: You know, they're public courses. They get a ton of traction. 60 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Like when you go to the Olympic Club, you know 61 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: it is pristine. I've been there, a couple of times 62 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: in the last couple of years. It is never not like, yeah, 63 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: they can host a major right now if they grow 64 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: out the rough you go to some of these public courses, 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: if they're not locked in, like they get locked in 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,679 Speaker 1: for the Farmers Open. They got locked in last year 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: when they hailsted the US Open, you know, and back 68 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: in OH eight. I guess it was the first time 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: since O eight they had hosted a major. I think 70 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: it's the South course they play. They got two courses. Uh, 71 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: the views are awesome, but he said it was and 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: he's played a lot of golf. I thought it was 73 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: the the shittiest waste of money he's ever had in 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: terms of just the course being in shape. So I 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: I gotta get down there sooner or later. My take 76 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: on the I have some cash on Bryson. Uh, he 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: was leading the US Open going into the back nine 78 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: before he shot like forty five. So I I love 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: West Coast guys in this tournam it. I think it's 80 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: a huge advantage, you know, guys that grew up out here, 81 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: because if you grow up in California, you're gonna play 82 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: in a ton of a j J events that are 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: gonna be based at Pebble Beach, at Tory Pines in 84 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: southern California, northern California. You get used to it, and 85 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't pretend to be like you know, 86 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: Brandle Shamble when it comes to the cuya the different grasses. 87 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: I just know I've played a lot of golf in California. 88 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: I feel comfortable with the rough in the green right. 89 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: And clearly some guys that are from Florida are different 90 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 1: parts of the world. You know, don't like the grass 91 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: out here, and vice versus. Some of our guys don't 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: like the grass in the putting in Florida. But I 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: do love at Pebble Beach, at Tory Pines, at Riviera, 94 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: even TPC, which I actually played last year, that the 95 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: tournament in Scottsdale, which it doesn't feel when you're out there, 96 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: uh TPC Scottsdale anything quite like it does. For the 97 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: waste management, especially whole sixteen, the part three, because you 98 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: get to the part three any you know you've paid 99 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: it costs a couple hundred bucks. But it's like whatever. 100 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: You're there with your boys, you're having a bunch of pops. 101 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't mind. I thought it was 102 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: a little overpriced. But it's like, you know, I've watched 103 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: that tournament so many times. I want to get to 104 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: basically the part three, you know, the dome, and then 105 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: get to the short part four, Whole seventeen. When you 106 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: get to the part three and you walk up, they 107 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: don't have the grandstance, like they don't have it blocked 108 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: in like they do in the tournament. So you're like, wait, 109 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: I just this is a hundred and six yeard hold, 110 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: like where is all the ship? And it really throws 111 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: you off. It actually was very underwhelming. But Whole seventeen 112 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: at EPC is really sweet. But the Max Homas, the 113 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: Maverick mcneeley's, the Bryson's. I just like on this West 114 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: Coast swing. Now, it doesn't mean, you know, John Rom's 115 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: best player in the world, Adam Scott's, I mean a 116 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: lot of other guys. Daniel Berger won Pebble last year. Uh, 117 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, Jordan's won it before. But I like the 118 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: West Coast guys. Here. Let's talk really quick about something 119 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: that I've I've been thinking a lot about because it's 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: been a story out there on the business of golf 121 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: and for those of you that aren't super locked in, 122 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: you know, there have been some rumblings about Greg Norman 123 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: leading a business group, the Saadis, and basically, you know, 124 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: stealing all the sweet players from the PGA Tour to 125 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: basically a special worldwide league and they would pay like 126 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, the Bryson d Shambos, the Kepka's, the Phil Mickelson's, 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: even though Phil's not really actually is not very good 128 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: anymore beside it Kiawa last year, he was terrible this 129 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: weekend in pomp Springs. But basically paying like a group 130 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: of twelve guys million dollars, letting them pick teams of 131 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: like four and having huge purses, and you would still 132 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: be able to play the major's right and listen, I 133 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: watch golf. Like the thing I love about watching golf. 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: I like watching people play golf for a lot of money. Right, 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: That's like I watched football. I want to see who 136 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: wins the game. Ultimately, all those guys playing football make 137 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of money well in golf, Like I was 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: thinking of out this, Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen they 139 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: make forty million dollars a year. If Josh Allen, who 140 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: had a great season had a terrible season, he would 141 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: still make forty million dollars a year. Patrick Mahomes, same thing. 142 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: Now they're tending to gonna have good seasons, but eventually, 143 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: like Philip Rivers had a bad season, I remember, like 144 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: the peak of his career. He's still that year made 145 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars. And if you're a marketable guy, 146 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: you still get Like Patrick Mahomes, think how much money 147 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: he's making off the field. He might be making another 148 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: forty million dollars, right because I was here in golf. Well, 149 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: all the marketing, all the advertisers, they make a ton 150 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: off the field. Yeah, what about on the course? Because 151 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour signed enormous and I mean enormous television 152 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: rights steals. The reason they can do that is because 153 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: of the star players, Rory rom Bryson, DJ Kepta, Speed, 154 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: j T all the top guys. That's the reason we watch. 155 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: So But if if I'm Jordan's Speed and I missed 156 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: the cut, I don't get any money. That way, I 157 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: make no money. That's not the way. You know, when 158 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: I watched the NFL. If Trent Williams misses a game, 159 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: he still gets paid. If Trent Williams has a shitty game, 160 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: he still gets paid. He makes twenty million dollars a year. 161 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: And I do think the thing in golf that makes 162 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: it pretty complicated that they're gonna have to figure out 163 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: is their players have to earn their money, which I 164 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: do love, like it's the best part about golf to 165 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: make a lot of cash. That given week, you have 166 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: to play well, right, you have to, you have no choice. 167 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: I saw Harold Varner, like I think, shot forty on 168 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: the back nine and you know, dropped last week in 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: pomp Springs lost probably a hunter grand. That's the nature 170 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: of golf. But I think, you know, forever we saw 171 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: the reason that there's so much money now in the 172 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: purses is because of Tiger. Well why did the persons 173 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: come up? Because they are way more people watching. Yet Tiger, 174 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: while he made way more money than everyone else, that 175 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: a lot was because he was winning, so on the 176 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: money list he was always really high. But also off 177 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: the course, well, the Patrick Mahomes and Lebron James, and 178 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: Steph Curry and Kangraf Jr. And you name it, Bryce Harper, 179 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: all they get to make a lot of money off 180 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: the field too. They also get to make a lot 181 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: of money on it, and I do think it's gonna 182 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: start getting more complicated with the amount of money that's 183 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: on the line. Like these guys. Once people start offering 184 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: you guaranteed thirty million dollars a year, I don't care 185 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: who you are, you have to think about it. So 186 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, I don't know if it's a revenue share. 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: The reason players in football and basketball make a lot 188 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: of money because they split revenue with the league. Well, 189 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: where does the revenue come from television? If I'm Rory McElroy, 190 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm not splitting any money with the PGA Tour. I 191 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: have to earn my money now unless I'm a pip guy. 192 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: And really they're just kind of making that up as 193 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: they go, So I do think that they're gonna have 194 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: to figure out a way or these competing leagues, as 195 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: the money gets bigger and bigger, are just gonna be 196 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,559 Speaker 1: able to offer an astronomical amount, especially if I can 197 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: buy some of these guys and all it's gonna take 198 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: is a couple and if they're still able to play 199 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: in the in the majors and the Player Championship, who 200 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: really cares about? You know? This week at Farmers Open, 201 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Like who cares? And you're telling me the Farmers Open 202 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't allow if I had a roster of forty of 203 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: the top fifty players, and I'll provide all the money 204 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: and the sponsors to let me play their course at 205 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: Tory Pines or you name the courses right where the 206 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 1: Hondas where the Sony Open is Capealou. I could I 207 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 1: go around? Why can't I take over money? Talk ship 208 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: walks and that's just that's just a reality. And I 209 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: think these teams, these leagues, and just these thoughts and 210 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: the amount of moneys that's out there. And I think 211 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: some of the players are gonna start doing the math, 212 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: like I have to play well to earn my money. 213 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: Yet without me in this, you wouldn't get the viewers. 214 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: Now it's different. There's not one solo act. Forever. It 215 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: was Tiger, and it was clear he moved the needle 216 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: more than anyone else. Why because he got casual fans 217 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: and golf. When I was a kid, was niche was 218 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: like I played golf, None of my friends did. So 219 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: why I liked the team sports even though I was 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: a bad athlete. I should have just played golf only. 221 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: But all my friends were playing football and basketball or 222 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: football in baseball. Well baseball is during golf, and I 223 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: was terrible at baseball, so I played golf. But during 224 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: football season, most good golfers are playing golf. I went 225 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: out and played football, and it was like a backup lineman. 226 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: Got to start a little bit my senior year, but 227 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: it was but I did it because my friends were there. Now, 228 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: you know everyone's playing golf. People want to play golf, 229 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: I would say, quote unquote, you know, kids with athletic 230 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: options kind of lean to play golf. And a huge 231 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: reason that that is Tiger. So he got these casual 232 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: people to consume and now the money and these guys 233 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: start sniffing around that they're gonna have to find a 234 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: way because I think this, and like I said, I 235 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: watch golf knowingly and enjoy watching people play for money 236 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: because when you think about it, when we played golf 237 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: of their friends, we play for money. Now it's not 238 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: for a million dollars, and depending how much money you have, 239 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: it might be for twenty dollars. Aside, it might be 240 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: a hundred dollars a whole who knows, but we that's 241 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: part of golf, like is gambling. That's a huge, you know, 242 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: thing that revolves around the sport. So I don't think 243 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: this thing is gonna go away. And the PGA Tour 244 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: can do the pip and all that crap all they want, 245 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: but this is gonna be something these young people who 246 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: have an astronomical amount of money on the line that 247 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: some of these tournaments are gonna mean nothing to And 248 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: if they're still allowed to play in the four Majors 249 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: and the Players Championship, that the business of golf is 250 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: to me gonna dramatically change in the next ten twenty 251 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: years if the PGA Tour doesn't find a way to 252 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: funnel more money to their stores. And when I say 253 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: more money, I don't mean five million dollar bonus. Steph 254 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: Curry makes forty five million dollars, so listen, you can 255 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: hate him or love them, but Bryson d Jambo is 256 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: probably worth that minimum thirty million dollars guaranteed of the 257 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: PGA Tour. I don't know, you know, Justin Thomas kept 258 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: a speed. I don't know how to value them all, 259 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: but some of them are worth more than others, and 260 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: some guys are worth nothing. But get to you know, 261 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: gravy train off. Just like if I'm a backup line 262 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: linebacker special teams on the forty Niners, I make grand 263 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: I don't make what Jimmy Garoppolo or Trent Williams or 264 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Nick Mosa makes. I still make money, and I get 265 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: to kind of piggyback off them and have success in golf. 266 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: You know, that guy could win the Players Championship and 267 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: make the three million dollars. Like that's I don't know. 268 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: I don't think they have the perfect formula. Figure it out. 269 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: Another story that I saw this week, which I find 270 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: I found interesting was at the LPGA. UH they had 271 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: like this basically a celebrity tournament. So guys like Derek Low, 272 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Alfonso Ribera, you know, Carlton Um, Marty Fish, the tennis player, 273 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I think, Mark, Mark Molder, John Smoltz, they were all 274 00:13:54,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: in it, and the girls killed him. I think, like, uh, 275 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: Nellie Corda was like thirteen under, Kang was sixteen under, 276 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: and all the guys were like, they're scratch golfers. Marty 277 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Fish is a plus three. He shot eight over, so 278 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: they beat him by, you know, twenty shots. And you know, 279 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: growing up, my my little brothers like best friends growing 280 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: up and I'm now very good friends with him too. Uh. 281 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: One guy named Tyler Raber who played college golf and 282 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: who played in the US Open, the one Dustin Johnson 283 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: one in Oakmont. He qualified, he played in it, he 284 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: missed the cut. But and his brother Scotty, who's also 285 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: a college golfer, who I actually went to the Niners 286 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: game with a couple of weeks ago, and he's like 287 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: a plus three. And we talked about this a lot 288 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: with like, uh, the Johnny Menzel's and the Tony Romos. 289 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: These guys aren't nearly as good as they think, like 290 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: the they can't hang with the they can't sniff the 291 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: LPGA players, and they get dropped by the pros. Yeah, 292 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: when you meet him and you're like, oh, this guy 293 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: is a plus three, this guy is a plus four. Well, yeah, 294 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: when you play your own country club over and over 295 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and over again and you're a good athlete like these guys, 296 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna shoot some low scores. But the difference of 297 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: the really good players and I saw with Tyler Raber 298 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: in the peak of his powers qualifying for US Open one, 299 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: like these guys when they were his age, you know, 300 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: in their teams and even in their twenties, they were 301 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: playing their craft right there, playing basketball, they're playing baseball, 302 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: they were playing tennis. That's where they master their craft. Well, 303 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: when you're young, that's when you figure out hitting all 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the golf shots, hitting high, hitting it low, hitting different shots, 305 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: hitting shots under pressure, playing in tournaments. You can't really 306 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: just get in the tournament. Play to me in your 307 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: thirties and forties. It's why when Tony Romo goes to 308 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: these web dot COM's, like, yeah, if I went to 309 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: Tony Tony Romo his Sweet country club in in Dallas, 310 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: he could shoot sixty five right Will's alaturus. I've heard 311 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: him saying, like you can play with them on the 312 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: right day and Tony goes low, but can you go 313 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: four straight days when you don't have your A stuff 314 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: Like John Smoltz. When John Smoltz is a starter, didn't 315 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: have is A stuff, he could still go have an innings. 316 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: When you see like a fringe, you know, poor player 317 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: that was a good college player. If they don't have 318 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: their A stuff in a big tournament, they can still 319 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: shoot seventy one or seventy two. If Tony Romo doesn't 320 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: have his A game at the safe way open, he's 321 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: shooting seventy nine, and Johnny Manziel is trying to go 322 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: pro Like Johnny Manziel will just not have. And the 323 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: way it's been described to me by these guys is 324 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: like the ability under pressure. Can I just flight a 325 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: seven iron high or low? Can I play a draw 326 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: or a cut into the hole? Can if I'm in 327 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: a certain position with my wedges, can I flop this 328 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: shot and feel very confident I can't or hit a 329 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: bump and run. Can I hit every single thing with 330 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: every single shot under pressure? And that's where these girls, 331 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: like they've been doing at a high level since they 332 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: were in like middle school. So when you see these 333 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: guys and one day, like I'm a probably like a 334 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: five or six right now, I've obviously in the winner 335 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: played much. But when I'm playing a lot, I can get, 336 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: you know, pretty consistently shooting somewhere between like seventy seven 337 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: and eight. Uh. And if I could chip, I mean 338 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: I could probably be, you know, a mid seventies golfer, 339 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: but my handicap would never reflect even if I get 340 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: it to like a tour one one day, I would 341 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: never actually be a tour one. I'll be a tour 342 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: one at my club where I'm playing all the time. 343 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: But if you throw me at different clubs, even now, 344 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: it's like a five I could shoot. You can put 345 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: me at l a country club. I barely broke ninety, 346 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: Like you go to these different clubs everywhere. The worst 347 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: pro in the Tory Pines this weekend. He could go 348 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: literally to any country club and give him a day 349 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and he would could shoot sasty five every fucking one. 350 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: And same with the chicks. Now it's different because they 351 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: play a different t But this notion that like Carlton 352 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: is a is a basically a scratch like yeah, kind 353 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: of like maybe like Beverly Hills Country Club where he 354 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: plays four days a week. But if he played ten 355 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: different courses in ten different weeks, there'd be several times 356 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 1: when he would shoot over eighty. There wouldn't be you know, 357 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: if I took the top ten in the LPGA and 358 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: I took the top one hundred on the PGA Tour, 359 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: with their eyes closed, they would never shoot over seventy four. 360 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: If they tried, hell, they would shoot and from the tips. Honestly, 361 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: if you just told them about the course, they would 362 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: shoot par and under every single where they went. So 363 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: these notions of these guys being a plus three and 364 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: a plus two, to me, it's pretty fake. It's not 365 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: real numbers. To me. When you meet a college golfer 366 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: who's a plus two and a guy that's played his 367 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: whole life, to me, that guy is more of a 368 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: That guy would have done better at this LPG event. 369 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: When you see Mark Molder, who Mark Moulder is an 370 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: excellent player, and I've seen him play like he's big, 371 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: you can hit the ball far, like Tony Romo. They're 372 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: not real plus two's. Their plus two is at their 373 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: own club, and there's nothing wrong with that. But I 374 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: think sometimes when we hear that, we think it, and 375 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, I used to until it's been explained to me, 376 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: and then you start when you play with really good 377 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: college guys or guys that I play with. Spencer Levine 378 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: nine holes six months ago. This guy can't even get 379 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: back on the PGA tour. He he gets into some 380 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: fringe corn ferry tournaments and you know, he's a couple 381 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: of years older than me, he's like thirty nine. This 382 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: guy is competed. I'm pretty sure he's one on the 383 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: PGA tour. I mean, this guy is letting majors after 384 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: like three days. This guy is a fucking stick, absolute stick. 385 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: Can't sniff the PGA tour anymore. I'm watching him going. 386 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: I told my buddy, it's like the whole knock on 387 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: him was he's not long enough and I hit the 388 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: ball three D He's hitting it passed me. I'm like, 389 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: this guy, he doesn't have a bad shot. So this 390 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: Tony Romo couldn't hold the guys like that, Jock couldn't 391 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: sniff him. He Specer Levine would beat that guy, would 392 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: beat Tony Romo or Marc Mulder or Derek Low with 393 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: his fucking eyes closed, he would drub these guys, absolutely 394 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: destroy him. So it's just it's just such a different level. 395 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: It's what makes golf kind of cool because you can 396 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: become a really good player. But when you become a 397 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: really good player, you think, well, I'm out that far away. No, 398 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: you are light years away. You ever played pick up basketball, 399 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and you know guys in good shape, you know, maybe 400 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: thirty years old and just a good athlete. Maybe the 401 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: guy played like, you know, college basketball or you hell, 402 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: even like maybe not college basketball, like high school basketball. 403 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: He was like a college baseball player or whatever. And 404 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: then a dude comes and you're like, oh, what's up man, 405 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I played in Nevada, I played college 406 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: basketball in the a c C. And then the dude 407 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: he's on a completely different level. Like there are levels 408 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: of this stuff, you know in golf because we all 409 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: can play it. I think sometimes we think it's closer 410 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: than not it's it's not at all. At golow is 411 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the pot is the Instagram. Longtime fan of your show 412 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: and happy you're doing a golf put I started and 413 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: sold a VC backed podcast business and I'm a huge golfer. 414 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I'm an l a c C member and happy you 415 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: enjoyed the course. I moved to Park City, got this 416 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: guy is doing well. I moved to Park City during 417 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: COVID from Manhattan Beach, l A. Area, but would love 418 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: to host you there sometime. I would love to talk 419 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: podcast business. God, I gotta I need to save this 420 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: guy's number. Okay, well you're a good man there, Michael, 421 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: I will reach out. I'm gonna save that one. Digging 422 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: the new look and looking forward to the podcast. You 423 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: mentioned on three and Out you're buying some property in Arizona. 424 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: I think it would be really cool if you get 425 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: Johnny Menzel on the show at some point, which is funny. 426 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about it. I think he lives in 427 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Phoenix now and is making a push to try to 428 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: compete on the tour. If you think he's a hack 429 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: and are trying to stay away from him, I totally 430 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: get it. I just thought it would be a cool interview. 431 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Uh and listen, like, I think Johnny Menzel would kick 432 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: my assid golf, Like he's probably a legit scratch My 433 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: point funny just bringing him up is that I think 434 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:49,239 Speaker 1: it's so like his Him and Tony played in that 435 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: what was that? The Dallas the Dallas you know pro 436 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if the pro am. It's got a 437 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: it's got a name to It's a big tournament in Texas, 438 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty sure Johnny Manzel finished dead asked, and 439 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: this is guys that these aren't twour players. I think 440 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,479 Speaker 1: Tony was not that good either. The just the levels 441 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: to this stuff. Like Johnny Manzel is never going pro golf. 442 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: It is one million percent not happening. I would bet 443 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars right now he's not going pro 444 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: golf and I'm not trying to talk shit. I'm basically 445 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: trying to talk how impossible it is. You don't want 446 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: to know. The one of the most impressive things I've 447 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: ever seen on a golf course four or five years 448 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: ago the web dot com before it was that's before 449 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: it was it was web dot com now's the corn 450 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: Ferry hosted a tournament in the Bay Area at kind 451 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: of a tough course. I forget the name of the course, 452 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: but it's like thirty minutes away from my I'm sitting 453 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: right here. Steph Curry got a sponsored invite into the tournament, 454 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: and at the time, I had a radio show, and 455 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: obviously the Warriors are a big deal, and I'm like, 456 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm just gonna go, and I'm gonna 457 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: watch him play. And I knew a couple of guys 458 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: that worked at this course, so they got me a 459 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: ticket kind of go behind the ropes and it was cool, 460 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: and I watched him play. He shot seventy four. He 461 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: beat one of the guys he was playing with. It 462 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: was Steph Curry is legit. Like I think Steph Curry 463 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: pound for pound. I know he's been played bad in 464 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: the match, would beat Tony Romo and would drub Johnny Manziel. 465 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: But here's the thing with Steph. Steph played high school golf. 466 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: Steph didn't just pick it up when he was step 467 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: has been playing golf for how old Steff thirty? He's 468 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: been playing golf for twenty years. You know, if it 469 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: wasn't for basketball, he would have been a college golfer. Like, 470 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: it's not a hobby. He's been doing it for a 471 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: long time. The longer you do it in tournaments, you're 472 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: just more natural. This question maybe a little premature, but 473 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: am I too excited to not ask for your first mailback? 474 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: I was able to get a job in turning at 475 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: the Masters this year through my school, where I will 476 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: be working night shifts. That's badass. During the day, I'll 477 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to walk around and watch the tournament 478 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: from a golf lover's perspective. What are some of the 479 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: camp miss things you would recommend seeing her going to 480 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: well First, as a lover of food, I would eat 481 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: all the sandwiches. I would eat the pimento sandwich. I 482 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: would eat the barbecue chicken sandwich. I would do all those. Uh. Obviously, 483 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: before we get into back nine, I would have to walk. 484 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: I would walk the entire course, whole by whole and 485 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: soak it all in. I would literally walk every step 486 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,479 Speaker 1: parallel to the entire course. My cousins who all golf, 487 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: had a chance to play there, like six seven years 488 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: ago for a business thing, stayed there and it's just 489 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: a magical place. And you know, I've seen some pictures 490 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: of their trip. You know it's I would walk every 491 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: hole now, clearly once you hit the back nine, you know, 492 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: whole twelve, badass, whole thirteen, whole fourteen, the part five 493 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: and fifteen, Part three, seventeen eighteen, I mean, I I 494 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: just I take it all in the part three to 495 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: the two Part five. I don't even I don't even 496 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: have a recommendation. Maybe I think seventeen would be pretty cool, 497 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, the part three, I guess it's sixteen. Uh, 498 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: seventeen always feels like it's kind of an irrelevant hole, 499 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, because you have the sweet whole part six, 500 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: you have sixteen with the part three, and really fifteen, 501 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: right is a part five where eagles happened. But also 502 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: remember last year did a DECKI a DECKI pumping in 503 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: the water. Maybe it stayed dry that's when Xander kind 504 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: of got back into it. Then he pumped into the 505 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: water on sixteen. Um, I don't know, I've never been there. 506 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: I would the number one thing I would do because 507 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: I always find it cool when you play a new 508 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: course that's pretty high level is just taken in every 509 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: hole and you just I think one thing with the Masters, 510 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: just speaking as a guy that's watched on TV his 511 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: whole life, is the back nine is just so much 512 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: more entrenched in our minds. Right even hold ten, We're 513 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: Bubba hit that great shot, and just where so many 514 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: sweet shots happened. You gotta play the draw off, the 515 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: off the tea, then whole twelve where everyone hit in 516 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: the water. Um in Tiger remember had like the ten 517 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: or maybe it was the twelve a couple of years ago. Uh, 518 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: it would have been in two twenty to fall, and 519 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: then he went on to like birdie five of the 520 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: next six holes, those part threes, I mean thirteen, that's 521 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: got to be just an incredible hold. That Watch whole fifteen, 522 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: I mean those second shots into that green, whole sixteen, 523 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to beat the whole twelve through sixteen. That 524 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: that feels like the best stretching golf. First off, love 525 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: the pot. Glad you're golf now too. I know, like 526 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: most of us, love the big Cat. What are your 527 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: top three Tiger moments? Also, gut feeling? Do you think 528 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: he plays a gust of this year? I don't think 529 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: he plays a PGA Tour tournament this year. Major included. Um, 530 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: I just you know you saw him with Charlie. He 531 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,959 Speaker 1: was in pain Man by the second day and he 532 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 1: was riding a cart. Uh. I just I don't know 533 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: if we ever see him. It's pains me to say that, 534 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: but I think there's a chance he I never play 535 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: competitive golf again. I hope I'm wrong. I would say, 536 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: and again recency bias. The number one thing I ever 537 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: saw was two thousand nineteen. That was I remember, I'm 538 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: sitting exactly where I sat. Remember they te off early 539 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: because of the rain. They played in threesomes. It felt 540 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: like going into the back nine like he's not gonna 541 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: win it. He was kind of struggling, and then whole 542 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: twelve happened. And that's whole twelve through eighteen is one 543 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: of the most magical moments of my sport watching life. 544 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I valued young Tiger enough. 545 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: I mean I was young, junior high high school. If 546 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: you're my age, he was just it's different, you know, 547 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: you grow to really appreciate someone as you get older. 548 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Um so I would say two thousand nineteen and easily 549 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, I would just got a job 550 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: at Fresno State. I was moving out of cow Poly 551 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: and uh, I didn't have a TV at my house anymore, 552 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: so I had to go to my neighbor's house and 553 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: they were gone, and I watched Sunday and then Monday, 554 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: and it was something you never forget, right, him limping around, 555 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: him hitting the plot on eighteen to force a playoff, 556 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: and then the next day watching him and Rocco and 557 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: then third. I don't know, man, I mean maybe I'm 558 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: living in the present, but I think him when he 559 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: won the Tour Championship in eighteen, six months before he 560 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 1: won the Masters. It's just a comeback of his life 561 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: and his career. Remember he almost won the Open in 562 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: eighteen when Molinari won it, and he hit it in 563 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: like the tall grass on the back nine, it might 564 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: have been like whole eleven and it kind of sucked 565 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: him up. But I love the comeback. He was so rich, 566 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: he was so famous, he had nothing left to prove, 567 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: and that fucker just was like, I'm gonna win again 568 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: at a high level. And that visual in Atlanta at 569 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: what's it called Lake? I can't even I can't even 570 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,239 Speaker 1: think straight right now, But walking down eighteen on that 571 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: part five and everyone walking around the water, that was cool. Man. 572 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: That's I'll never forget that Tour Championship and uh and 573 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: the Masters obviously they're more recent, but I'm glad as 574 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: a viewer and a sports fan like I witnessed the 575 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: whole thing start to finish. Just watch it all. Get 576 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: the fans what they really want. Once in the bag. 577 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: I have Taylor made irons, I have Taylor made wedges, 578 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: and I got Callaway Woods. I haven't done much golf 579 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: gambling before. What would like to get into it? What 580 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: are some factors you look at before betting on a tournament? Uh? 581 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, I watch a lot of recent form, So 582 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: how a guys playing a guy's history out of course, 583 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: has he finished top five, top ten there before? Has 584 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 1: he won there before? Uh? Like the next several tournaments. 585 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: I like West Coast guys at West Coast tournaments um, 586 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: and some is just value, right, Like part of the 587 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: reason I bet Bryson. I wouldn't have bet Bryson attend 588 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: to one, right, Rob seven and a half to one, 589 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take that. But he's twenty to one. He's 590 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: probably played Torrey Pines in his life twenty times and 591 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: he almost won here last year. So why I took 592 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: Justin Thomas last year at the Players Championship. He wasn't 593 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: playing great, but he was twenty to one. J T 594 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: used like eleven to one, twelve to one. So I 595 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: like value with thoroughbreds. When I can get a thoroughbred, 596 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: a guy that's one, a Bryson, Justin Thomas, a Brooks, 597 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: a DJ Uh. You know Xander against those odds, but 598 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't win like those guys, guys that have double 599 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: digit wins when they're not playing well and you can 600 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: get them cheap to one. Whenever I see kept go 601 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: like thirty to one, I fucking hammer. Do you have 602 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: any picks of golfers you think and break through their 603 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: first major? This one? This year? Um? I think Xander 604 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: Shaw he's gonna win a major. I mean he's finished 605 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 1: top five in them all. Uh, you know it it 606 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: was like that with DJ for a while. It's like, 607 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: when's he gonna do it? When's he gonna do it? 608 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: Was actually more like with a second major, when's it 609 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: gonna happen? When's it gonna happen? Once you get so good, 610 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: I think phenwe is some feenales. I wouldn't say as 611 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: good as and Ander, but like I just I don't 612 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: see how Xander doesn't win a major. He's too good. 613 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: He can do it all. But for whatever reason, he 614 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: doesn't win. And He's been in the mix several times. 615 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: I've gambled on him several times. Uh, he would be 616 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: a guy that that I think wins. What are your 617 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: thoughts on Cam Smith after winning the Tournament of Champions 618 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: Guys stick, I mean, love his mullet, just absolutely flush 619 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: his irons and can put his face off. I mean, 620 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: I think that guy's gonna keep winning. Zalatorus at forty 621 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: five to one seems like good value. He's a quality player, 622 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: be more like twenty to thirty range, in my opinion, 623 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: one of the top ball strikers in the game. Absolutely 624 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: love you started a golf podcast. He was in the 625 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: mix last I think this was for last week. I 626 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: love Wills elt Tours. I love a guy with like 627 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: a thirty inch waistline who just hits it like three twenty. 628 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: It's like I'm all in on Wills out Tours. Also 629 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: like the Wills elt Tours. Plays golf with Tony Rama 630 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: and their buddies. So anytime that a golf guy's friends 631 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: with a football guy, cool with me. Keep the keep 632 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: the questions coming, We'll keep answering them. Uh L A 633 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: country club, my man, Michael, I will definitely play with 634 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: your ass uh and we'll talk podcasting and hang out. 635 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: L A country club doesn't suck. You're a lucky man. 636 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: We'll talk soon at go low Pod. Slide up in 637 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: those d M s and h enjoy the week and 638 00:32:38,000 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: get ready for some football. Peace. The volume