Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of things.
Speaker 1: We simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, and
Speaker 1: welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Steve,
Speaker 1: of course, joined by my lovely co host, and once
Speaker 1: again we've got a little bit of a mystery. Well
Speaker 1: actually it's kind of a story, kind of a mystery,
Speaker 1: but uh, like most of them, we've actually got a
Speaker 1: good bit of information to reveal this. Yeah, but we're
Speaker 1: going to save that bit for the end. We do
Speaker 1: have a big reveal. We actually did get some kind
Speaker 1: of insider exclusive information about this, and we were always
Speaker 1: stoked about it before we Before we get into the
Speaker 1: the story itself, I do just want to real quick
Speaker 1: say thank you to Nicole who sent this in. She
Speaker 1: sent this to us six months ago or so. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I apologize for taking so long to get to it.
Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't apologize because that's probably gonna be most of
Speaker 1: our because you're trying to work them in chronological order.
Speaker 1: But let's get to the story. Today. We're talking about
Speaker 1: Jeff the Talking mongoos. Yeah, Jeff. The story of Jeff
Speaker 1: the Talking Mongoose starts out in September of nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: one when the Irving family, and the family consists of James, Margaret,
Speaker 1: and their thirteen year old daughter Vore. I want to say,
Speaker 1: is how you pronounce her name, Vory? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's o r why. It's a very British. It's a
Speaker 1: very British. I'm sure it was at the time kind
Speaker 1: of made sense for that area, because this, this whole
Speaker 1: story takes place on the eye all of Man m m.
Speaker 1: The family said that they heard persistent noises in the
Speaker 1: walls or behind the wooden walls of their farmhouse, and
Speaker 1: these noises were evidently it would be rustling or scratching
Speaker 1: and at some point kind of vocalizations. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the early noises were. There's not a lot of
Speaker 1: good description of it. The family said that the noises
Speaker 1: kind of sounded like they were maybe made by a
Speaker 1: ferret or a dog, or weirdly enough, a baby, which
Speaker 1: is just weird in the wooden walls of walls. Let's
Speaker 1: just ignore it. Um. The dad, James, thought it was
Speaker 1: a rat and he tried to drive it out. Obviously
Speaker 1: that didn't work. He failed, but the noises continued for
Speaker 1: several days, and again James Irving, he said, traps, he
Speaker 1: put out poison, nothing's working. As a last ditch effort,
Speaker 1: he went to a spot in the wall that there
Speaker 1: had to have been some kind of opening. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is a not hole or just
Speaker 1: a bit of board missing. It doesn't we don't know.
Speaker 1: But he decides that what he's gonna do is trying
Speaker 1: to scare this critter out by growling at it like
Speaker 1: a dog. Wait have you done that before? I don't
Speaker 1: have animals living my walls anymore. Well it didn't. It
Speaker 1: didn't work so well for James because whenever it was
Speaker 1: in the wall, growled right back at it. And that's
Speaker 1: when they discovered Jeff in the walls. Jeff. Jeff learned
Speaker 1: to talk and said the Jett he was a mongoose
Speaker 1: and that he had been born in New Delhi, India
Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty two. That's some clever mongoose. It really is.
Speaker 1: How to get to the man. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1: The Irvings say that Jeff told them that he was
Speaker 1: an extra extra clever mongoose and he was an earthbound
Speaker 1: spirit and a ghost in the form of a mongoose,
Speaker 1: which is all rather strange to me. I thought you
Speaker 1: reincarnated as a mongoose. Man reincarnation sucks. It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: the worst thing to be reincarnated at. You could come
Speaker 1: back as a fleet You're right, you know, a mongoose.
Speaker 1: You get to just like nest up and like cuddle up.
Speaker 1: And unless you have fallen the Hansard those jerks in
Speaker 1: some countries that like, you know, put the pad up
Speaker 1: against cobra's you know, yeah, obviously not the country you
Speaker 1: want to reincarnate as a well. The Irvings made other
Speaker 1: statements or claims about Jeff. They again, this is James
Speaker 1: Irving said, it announces its presence by calling either myself
Speaker 1: or my wife by our Christian names. This is something
Speaker 1: that he wrote. I think it might have been in
Speaker 1: his diary, or maybe he wrote it to a paper.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because the papers went crazy about this.
Speaker 1: As we're going to talk about is hearing powers are phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It's no use whispering. It detects whispers fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: feet away, tells you that you're a whispering and there
Speaker 1: repeats exactly what one has to say, which sounds like
Speaker 1: a jerkish move to me, Yeah, that's interesting. Actually, that
Speaker 1: Irving or that Jim refers to Jeff as an it.
Speaker 1: I don't think he liked Jeff all that much, but
Speaker 1: Jeff didn't mind him evidently. Is the cute little they
Speaker 1: look like little versions of them, well, they look like
Speaker 1: a ferret basically fret enough, Jeff was a good guard
Speaker 1: for the house. Jeff would tell them when someone was
Speaker 1: approaching the house and would also tell them when dogs
Speaker 1: that it didn't that he didn't recognize were coming to
Speaker 1: the house. If you if somebody had forgot to put
Speaker 1: the fire out at night, Jeff evidently was the one
Speaker 1: that would go down and shut the flu down and
Speaker 1: tamp the fire to put the fire out, which is
Speaker 1: an awfully nice thing to do, and would wake people
Speaker 1: up if they overslaps. If if they did actually get
Speaker 1: mice in their house, Jeff would get rid of them,
Speaker 1: but Jeff said that Jeff didn't want to kill him,
Speaker 1: would actually just scare the mice away, which okay, I guess,
Speaker 1: but that means to me they'd come back. But hey,
Speaker 1: what do I know, I'm not a mongoose. The Irvings, well,
Speaker 1: they fed Jeff not exactly the normal fair that I
Speaker 1: would say a mongoose should be eating. I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this diet, Devon. We've got biscuits, chocolates,
Speaker 1: bananas and any other food that they had around. What
Speaker 1: sounds like you know what the Brits eat anyways, not
Speaker 1: that's not the standard diet for British people. Bangers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably would have loved some bangers and mash. Well. The
Speaker 1: family would put that food in a saucer that they
Speaker 1: suspended from the ceiling. Again, I have to presume that
Speaker 1: there was a no hole or some kind of gap
Speaker 1: in the ceiling for Jeff to come through to get it.
Speaker 1: But Jeff would only do it when he thought that
Speaker 1: nobody was watching, so they never knew when the food disappeared.
Speaker 1: None of the none of the adults in the family
Speaker 1: ever saw Jeff, only the daughter vor Voyer. Again, I
Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce that. V said that she
Speaker 1: saw Jeff only when he wanted to be seen, and
Speaker 1: that Jeff was about the size of a small rat,
Speaker 1: yellowish fur and a large bushy tail, which sounds like
Speaker 1: a squirrel to me. Yeah, funny looking squirrel. Jeff, as
Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier, became pretty popular in the tabloids,
Speaker 1: journalists and other people from everywhere came to the house
Speaker 1: to try to investigate and discover what Jeff was. Nobody
Speaker 1: could ever hear Jeff. Nobody ever saw Jeff. There were
Speaker 1: claims of people who said they saw Jeff, but those
Speaker 1: were unsubstantiated. There were prints on the walls of the
Speaker 1: inside of the house, as well as hair that were
Speaker 1: left around that they claimed was from Jeff. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: it turned out it was from the family sheep dog,
Speaker 1: both the muddy prints and the hair, so we've got
Speaker 1: nothing substantial there. This is where the story kind of
Speaker 1: takes its sad turn, is that James died and his wife,
Speaker 1: Margaret their daughter had to leave the home in and
Speaker 1: Jeff didn't go with them. They had to sell the
Speaker 1: farm from what I can tell, at a pretty hefty
Speaker 1: loss because of Jeff. It was considered hunted what he
Speaker 1: wanted to pay good money for it. Yeah, is not
Speaker 1: exactly an unfriendly ghost though, really no, no, it seems
Speaker 1: pretty nice. He's got some kind of jerkish behavior that
Speaker 1: we'll talk about here momentarily. The person who bought the
Speaker 1: house was a farmer by the name of Leslie Graham
Speaker 1: and Leslie Graham claimed to have shot and killed Jeff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: once again, the creature that he displayed was pretty large
Speaker 1: and had black and white fur and didn't match the
Speaker 1: descriptions of Jeff and v Irvington is we're going to
Speaker 1: call her from now? Which? What did I say? Irvington?
Speaker 1: Irving Sorry, she was certain that it was not Jeff.
Speaker 1: She did, she did pass away back in two thousand five,
Speaker 1: and she was pretty hesitant to talk about Jeff for
Speaker 1: a lot of that time. But she said that she
Speaker 1: didn't make Jeff up and she was positive Jeff was real. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like Leslie may have killed like
Speaker 1: a skunk or something. Yeah, you know, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what I thought, that a big rat or something. Well,
Speaker 1: if it was black and white, I would I would
Speaker 1: presume mongooses don't come in that color. They're they're brown
Speaker 1: brown or like yellowy brown, not black and white. So
Speaker 1: certainly it wasn't a mongoose. Whatever it was couldn't have
Speaker 1: been a mongoose that he got. Let's move to the theories. Okay,
Speaker 1: So theory number one is that Jeff was poltergeist, which
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, Joe said earlier. Kind of a
Speaker 1: friendly ghost. I thought Polter guests were always kind of jerks,
Speaker 1: so well, not a ghost, an actual ghost, as Jeff claims,
Speaker 1: let's run with that fear. I only wanted to be
Speaker 1: seen or could only be seen when wanted to be seen.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a ghost thing. Could talk to people,
Speaker 1: kind of a ghost is thing. Here's where some of
Speaker 1: the jerky behavior comes from. Could throw rocks. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: turned out Jeff didn't like Margaret the mom very much.
Speaker 1: And when they would go out on walks, because they
Speaker 1: would go to on walks to town or whatnot. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jeff would run along and chatter at him or to
Speaker 1: them while in the bushes, but never in plain sight.
Speaker 1: But occasionally Martin would be out there and jeffers throw
Speaker 1: stones that are not that nice. Well, that's why I
Speaker 1: kind of went with the Poulter guys are supposed to
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Kind of Poulter guys be
Speaker 1: mobile though, or is he is he like into the
Speaker 1: house of the inhabits. That really depends on who you
Speaker 1: ask in the situation. Because I've seen stuff about they
Speaker 1: followed me to the market, and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: can't corroborate any of that. There are some poultry guys
Speaker 1: who reportedly follow objects or people right from house to
Speaker 1: house to house. But you would presume that if they
Speaker 1: if Jeff was a Poultre geist and was following Margaret
Speaker 1: or or somebody, you know, that he would have gone
Speaker 1: to the house the next house with them. Uh So,
Speaker 1: who knows what what? Yeah, it's hard to say, I mean,
Speaker 1: but but Jeff got up to some pretty prankish behavior,
Speaker 1: which is also a poulter Geist thing. In the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, would throw sand at the windows and
Speaker 1: would also in the middle of the night decide to
Speaker 1: sing songs, sometimes body songs that would just sing them
Speaker 1: out loud for the whole family, which is great when
Speaker 1: you got a thirteen year old girl in the house
Speaker 1: the protector. But hey, what do I know, she's got
Speaker 1: to learn sometimes may as well be from that weird
Speaker 1: Poultre guys that you have that's also among goose. Maybe
Speaker 1: it could be like, you know, it's it's just been like,
Speaker 1: you know, what's the word I'm thinking of. He's been
Speaker 1: like inhabited by by like a demon or something like that.
Speaker 1: So it goes to possessed by a demon. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's territory we haven't ever really gone into,
Speaker 1: so I don't going into it now. Our next theory
Speaker 1: is that Jeff really was a mongoose who was actually
Speaker 1: extra extra clever. It turns out mongoose were imported to
Speaker 1: the area moese Okay, Mongese, Mongese the plural of mongoose.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. I'm not using English to day.
Speaker 1: The mongeese were brought to the Isle of Man about
Speaker 1: twenty years earlier. And what there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: sources that I could find about when exactly they were imported.
Speaker 1: I really only found that date on one site, Okay,
Speaker 1: and this happened in a number of places. They would
Speaker 1: they would bring them in an attempt to control rats,
Speaker 1: because they're kind of like ferrets. They're the same bills.
Speaker 1: You bring them in to try to kill all the rats. Well,
Speaker 1: it turns out that a mongoose isn't all that excited
Speaker 1: to kill a rat if it's not starving, so they
Speaker 1: didn't work. They need other stuff. But the good at
Speaker 1: killing snakes they are. And you know they're they're from
Speaker 1: the lower two thirds. You can find mongyes in the
Speaker 1: lower two thirds of Africa. In the lower band of Asia,
Speaker 1: and as Joe had talked about with the snake things,
Speaker 1: people had been training them for years, uh to fight snakes. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't think you even need to train them. I
Speaker 1: think they just know how to do it well. Mongoose
Speaker 1: is mongeese, however we're saying it today. Um, I mean
Speaker 1: the way that they survive is they gosh, what's the
Speaker 1: nice way of saying it is? Um, there's they're quote
Speaker 1: unquote scavengers in real life. So they actually eat reptile
Speaker 1: eggs often. That's they're one of their main sources of food,
Speaker 1: and so they have to be good at fighting off
Speaker 1: the parents of the next Yeah, in case the parent
Speaker 1: comes back and it's like, hey, wait, maybe maybe don't
Speaker 1: eat my unborn egg lins. Have you ever have you
Speaker 1: ever seen a mongoose in a cobra fight? No, because
Speaker 1: I don't like animal cruel, team No, I know it
Speaker 1: is cruel. And I just saw a little brief clip
Speaker 1: at one time that they were they put him in
Speaker 1: an aquarium together, and the cobra like you know, rears
Speaker 1: up and everything and like the strikes at the at
Speaker 1: the mongoose and just instantaneously the mongoose was in the
Speaker 1: air over the top of the cobra, came down on
Speaker 1: top of the band. That was it for the cobra. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are clever, and so it's possible that somebody had
Speaker 1: one and was training it for I don't know, some
Speaker 1: kind of goofy act or something, and then it got loose. Now,
Speaker 1: how Jeff was able to talk, I can't say, But
Speaker 1: the presence of the mongoose could be explained through that.
Speaker 1: That's very far fetched. I understand that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: there are dogs that can talk. I mean you see
Speaker 1: the videos online. I mean they're not actually talking, right,
Speaker 1: they just have figured out how to howl in a
Speaker 1: certain way or you know, vocalize in a certain way
Speaker 1: that sounds kind of like talking. So it could be
Speaker 1: interpretation of about well, Jeff just said this. How about
Speaker 1: the about that singing and dancing frog in that cartoon?
Speaker 1: Totally real? Yeah, yeah, I got it. Let's move to
Speaker 1: our next theory that I found out there, which is
Speaker 1: that Jeff the talking mongoose was just a little girl's
Speaker 1: fan fantasy and or a dad's plan to entertain his daughter.
Speaker 1: I don't like this theory. Why, Well, because I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think you liked this story a lot. I think
Speaker 1: Jeff's real. I mean, can I can I tell everybody
Speaker 1: that the theory Okay, this family lived out in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I believe the town near where they
Speaker 1: were it was it Rby or Dolby. I somehow don't
Speaker 1: have it here in my notes, which is shocking. But
Speaker 1: they didn't have electricity, they didn't have a phone or
Speaker 1: a radio. All they had for entertainment besides the tiresome
Speaker 1: company of each other was the Gramma phone, so they
Speaker 1: could listen to records. That was it. They had nothing
Speaker 1: to entertain themselves in the down time. So to me,
Speaker 1: it seems quite plausible that the dad did this as
Speaker 1: a way to entertain his daughter and give her some fun,
Speaker 1: and then she really took on, or she did it
Speaker 1: as a way because according to some she was a
Speaker 1: bit of a ventriloquist, so she was throwing her voice
Speaker 1: to play, and everybody just got on board because it
Speaker 1: was a fun family game except for the rocks. Except
Speaker 1: for the rocks, yeah, and the sand and the sing song? Right,
Speaker 1: what did this little thirteen year old girl learned the
Speaker 1: dirty songs? Yeah, it's England, but learn about the pub
Speaker 1: she was down at the bomb that didn't come out right. Um,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the thing is is, uh, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter which one of these theories it is, because,
Speaker 1: like I said before, people came and stayed with them
Speaker 1: for weeks on in and they got absolutely nothing. People
Speaker 1: were investigating it, trying to figure out who Jeff was
Speaker 1: or what Jeff was, and nothing happened. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like that proves anything though. I mean, you know, if
Speaker 1: I were a pulture guist, right, I wouldn't necessarily act
Speaker 1: up when my family wasn't around if you know who was.
Speaker 1: If the whole point was to play with these people,
Speaker 1: why show off for somebody new? Really? But also, you
Speaker 1: just start corroborating these people's story and why would you
Speaker 1: Why would you do them that favor? It's actually much
Speaker 1: more fun to have them out there being made pools. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's kind of devious and extra extra clever alright. Also,
Speaker 1: but also Jeff may have realized if you showed himself
Speaker 1: to the rest of the world and proved his existence,
Speaker 1: and sooner or later somebody from the circus or something,
Speaker 1: it's gonna got to come down and make an offer
Speaker 1: and buy him and he's not and he's not going
Speaker 1: to be his own man anymore. It's all right, well,
Speaker 1: but we have some good evidence here. Here's here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Here's where we get to that that good bit of
Speaker 1: evidence in the story that clinches what's really going on.
Speaker 1: Because I was doing some digging and I actually managed
Speaker 1: to get in some newspaper archives. I don't know how
Speaker 1: they got scanned, but they were scanned. Hang on, let
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