WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Gef the Talking Mongoose 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:16.439 Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of things. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:21.360 We simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, and 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.680 welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Steve, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:31.600 of course, joined by my lovely co host, and once 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.840 again we've got a little bit of a mystery. Well 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.240 actually it's kind of a story, kind of a mystery, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:43.040 but uh, like most of them, we've actually got a 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:48.919 good bit of information to reveal this. Yeah, but we're 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.000 going to save that bit for the end. We do 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.720 have a big reveal. We actually did get some kind 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:56.520 of insider exclusive information about this, and we were always 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.960 stoked about it before we Before we get into the 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.600 the story itself, I do just want to real quick 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.000 say thank you to Nicole who sent this in. She 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.840 sent this to us six months ago or so. Uh, 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.240 and I apologize for taking so long to get to it. 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.640 Probably shouldn't apologize because that's probably gonna be most of 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.160 our because you're trying to work them in chronological order. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:23.000 But let's get to the story. Today. We're talking about 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.160 Jeff the Talking mongoos. Yeah, Jeff. The story of Jeff 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:33.399 the Talking Mongoose starts out in September of nineteen thirty 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:40.280 one when the Irving family, and the family consists of James, Margaret, 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.800 and their thirteen year old daughter Vore. I want to say, 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.400 is how you pronounce her name, Vory? I don't know. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.720 It's o r why. It's a very British. It's a 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.600 very British. I'm sure it was at the time kind 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:58.920 of made sense for that area, because this, this whole 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.560 story takes place on the eye all of Man m m. 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.880 The family said that they heard persistent noises in the 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:11.120 walls or behind the wooden walls of their farmhouse, and 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:17.680 these noises were evidently it would be rustling or scratching 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.640 and at some point kind of vocalizations. I don't know 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.840 what the early noises were. There's not a lot of 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:29.200 good description of it. The family said that the noises 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.600 kind of sounded like they were maybe made by a 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:37.640 ferret or a dog, or weirdly enough, a baby, which 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:42.440 is just weird in the wooden walls of walls. Let's 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.840 just ignore it. Um. The dad, James, thought it was 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.880 a rat and he tried to drive it out. Obviously 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:56.000 that didn't work. He failed, but the noises continued for 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:01.960 several days, and again James Irving, he said, traps, he 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:08.000 put out poison, nothing's working. As a last ditch effort, 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.280 he went to a spot in the wall that there 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.320 had to have been some kind of opening. And I 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.560 don't know if this is a not hole or just 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.880 a bit of board missing. It doesn't we don't know. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.720 But he decides that what he's gonna do is trying 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.280 to scare this critter out by growling at it like 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:32.799 a dog. Wait have you done that before? I don't 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:38.080 have animals living my walls anymore. Well it didn't. It 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.920 didn't work so well for James because whenever it was 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.480 in the wall, growled right back at it. And that's 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:53.280 when they discovered Jeff in the walls. Jeff. Jeff learned 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:57.880 to talk and said the Jett he was a mongoose 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.880 and that he had been born in New Delhi, India 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:04.920 in eighteen fifty two. That's some clever mongoose. It really is. 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.520 How to get to the man. We'll get to that. 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:12.640 The Irvings say that Jeff told them that he was 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:17.520 an extra extra clever mongoose and he was an earthbound 0:04:17.720 --> 0:04:21.240 spirit and a ghost in the form of a mongoose, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.200 which is all rather strange to me. I thought you 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:32.040 reincarnated as a mongoose. Man reincarnation sucks. It wouldn't be 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.320 the worst thing to be reincarnated at. You could come 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:37.239 back as a fleet You're right, you know, a mongoose. 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.240 You get to just like nest up and like cuddle up. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.200 And unless you have fallen the Hansard those jerks in 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.000 some countries that like, you know, put the pad up 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.840 against cobra's you know, yeah, obviously not the country you 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:55.159 want to reincarnate as a well. The Irvings made other 0:04:55.360 --> 0:05:00.279 statements or claims about Jeff. They again, this is James 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.680 Irving said, it announces its presence by calling either myself 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.960 or my wife by our Christian names. This is something 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:10.760 that he wrote. I think it might have been in 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.000 his diary, or maybe he wrote it to a paper. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.440 I don't know, because the papers went crazy about this. 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.800 As we're going to talk about is hearing powers are phenomenal. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.120 It's no use whispering. It detects whispers fifteen to twenty 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.080 feet away, tells you that you're a whispering and there 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.400 repeats exactly what one has to say, which sounds like 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:33.040 a jerkish move to me, Yeah, that's interesting. Actually, that 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:37.120 Irving or that Jim refers to Jeff as an it. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.560 I don't think he liked Jeff all that much, but 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:46.440 Jeff didn't mind him evidently. Is the cute little they 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.280 look like little versions of them, well, they look like 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:57.000 a ferret basically fret enough, Jeff was a good guard 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:01.000 for the house. Jeff would tell them when someone was 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.400 approaching the house and would also tell them when dogs 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.040 that it didn't that he didn't recognize were coming to 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.720 the house. If you if somebody had forgot to put 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.920 the fire out at night, Jeff evidently was the one 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.880 that would go down and shut the flu down and 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.040 tamp the fire to put the fire out, which is 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.679 an awfully nice thing to do, and would wake people 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:30.120 up if they overslaps. If if they did actually get 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.160 mice in their house, Jeff would get rid of them, 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.880 but Jeff said that Jeff didn't want to kill him, 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:40.640 would actually just scare the mice away, which okay, I guess, 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.080 but that means to me they'd come back. But hey, 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.440 what do I know, I'm not a mongoose. The Irvings, well, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.120 they fed Jeff not exactly the normal fair that I 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.040 would say a mongoose should be eating. I mean, what 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.560 do you think about this diet, Devon. We've got biscuits, chocolates, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:01.920 bananas and any other food that they had around. What 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.800 sounds like you know what the Brits eat anyways, not 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:14.520 that's not the standard diet for British people. Bangers. Yeah, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:18.320 probably would have loved some bangers and mash. Well. The 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.680 family would put that food in a saucer that they 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:26.280 suspended from the ceiling. Again, I have to presume that 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.240 there was a no hole or some kind of gap 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.000 in the ceiling for Jeff to come through to get it. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.080 But Jeff would only do it when he thought that 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.440 nobody was watching, so they never knew when the food disappeared. 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.600 None of the none of the adults in the family 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:49.080 ever saw Jeff, only the daughter vor Voyer. Again, I 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:53.280 don't know how to pronounce that. V said that she 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.080 saw Jeff only when he wanted to be seen, and 0:07:57.200 --> 0:07:59.440 that Jeff was about the size of a small rat, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.720 yellowish fur and a large bushy tail, which sounds like 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:09.640 a squirrel to me. Yeah, funny looking squirrel. Jeff, as 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.120 we alluded to earlier, became pretty popular in the tabloids, 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.040 journalists and other people from everywhere came to the house 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:22.080 to try to investigate and discover what Jeff was. Nobody 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.600 could ever hear Jeff. Nobody ever saw Jeff. There were 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:29.280 claims of people who said they saw Jeff, but those 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:34.959 were unsubstantiated. There were prints on the walls of the 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.640 inside of the house, as well as hair that were 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:42.120 left around that they claimed was from Jeff. Yeah. Uh, 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.160 it turned out it was from the family sheep dog, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:48.240 both the muddy prints and the hair, so we've got 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:53.439 nothing substantial there. This is where the story kind of 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:59.319 takes its sad turn, is that James died and his wife, 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:04.120 Margaret their daughter had to leave the home in and 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:08.079 Jeff didn't go with them. They had to sell the 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.880 farm from what I can tell, at a pretty hefty 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.439 loss because of Jeff. It was considered hunted what he 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.079 wanted to pay good money for it. Yeah, is not 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.280 exactly an unfriendly ghost though, really no, no, it seems 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.880 pretty nice. He's got some kind of jerkish behavior that 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:30.040 we'll talk about here momentarily. The person who bought the 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.720 house was a farmer by the name of Leslie Graham 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:39.800 and Leslie Graham claimed to have shot and killed Jeff. Yeah, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:46.760 once again, the creature that he displayed was pretty large 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.120 and had black and white fur and didn't match the 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:54.920 descriptions of Jeff and v Irvington is we're going to 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.719 call her from now? Which? What did I say? Irvington? 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:03.079 Irving Sorry, she was certain that it was not Jeff. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.839 She did, she did pass away back in two thousand five, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.240 and she was pretty hesitant to talk about Jeff for 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.160 a lot of that time. But she said that she 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.719 didn't make Jeff up and she was positive Jeff was real. Well, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:19.319 you know, it sounds like Leslie may have killed like 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.920 a skunk or something. Yeah, you know, that's kind of 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.960 what I thought, that a big rat or something. Well, 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.760 if it was black and white, I would I would 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.760 presume mongooses don't come in that color. They're they're brown 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.280 brown or like yellowy brown, not black and white. So 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.079 certainly it wasn't a mongoose. Whatever it was couldn't have 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:45.959 been a mongoose that he got. Let's move to the theories. Okay, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:50.400 So theory number one is that Jeff was poltergeist, which 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:55.240 kind of makes sense, Joe said earlier. Kind of a 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.720 friendly ghost. I thought Polter guests were always kind of jerks, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:04.640 so well, not a ghost, an actual ghost, as Jeff claims, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.719 let's run with that fear. I only wanted to be 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.920 seen or could only be seen when wanted to be seen. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.640 That's kind of a ghost thing. Could talk to people, 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.439 kind of a ghost is thing. Here's where some of 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:21.800 the jerky behavior comes from. Could throw rocks. Yeah, it 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.439 turned out Jeff didn't like Margaret the mom very much. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.000 And when they would go out on walks, because they 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.560 would go to on walks to town or whatnot. H Yeah, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.160 Jeff would run along and chatter at him or to 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.760 them while in the bushes, but never in plain sight. 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.440 But occasionally Martin would be out there and jeffers throw 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:45.240 stones that are not that nice. Well, that's why I 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.880 kind of went with the Poulter guys are supposed to 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.679 be able to do that. Kind of Poulter guys be 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:54.079 mobile though, or is he is he like into the 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.199 house of the inhabits. That really depends on who you 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.680 ask in the situation. Because I've seen stuff about they 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.959 followed me to the market, and I don't know, I 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.360 can't corroborate any of that. There are some poultry guys 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:10.760 who reportedly follow objects or people right from house to 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.120 house to house. But you would presume that if they 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.240 if Jeff was a Poultre geist and was following Margaret 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.920 or or somebody, you know, that he would have gone 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.360 to the house the next house with them. Uh So, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:30.240 who knows what what? Yeah, it's hard to say, I mean, 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.240 but but Jeff got up to some pretty prankish behavior, 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.600 which is also a poulter Geist thing. In the middle 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.880 of the night, would throw sand at the windows and 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.959 would also in the middle of the night decide to 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:45.000 sing songs, sometimes body songs that would just sing them 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:47.520 out loud for the whole family, which is great when 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:48.920 you got a thirteen year old girl in the house 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.080 the protector. But hey, what do I know, she's got 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.560 to learn sometimes may as well be from that weird 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.120 Poultre guys that you have that's also among goose. Maybe 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.240 it could be like, you know, it's it's just been like, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.760 you know, what's the word I'm thinking of. He's been 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.559 like inhabited by by like a demon or something like that. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:15.000 So it goes to possessed by a demon. I don't know, 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.320 I mean, that's territory we haven't ever really gone into, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:22.240 so I don't going into it now. Our next theory 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:27.280 is that Jeff really was a mongoose who was actually 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.839 extra extra clever. It turns out mongoose were imported to 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:39.280 the area moese Okay, Mongese, Mongese the plural of mongoose. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.960 I don't think that's right. I'm not using English to day. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:47.360 The mongeese were brought to the Isle of Man about 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:52.079 twenty years earlier. And what there's not a lot of 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:55.120 sources that I could find about when exactly they were imported. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.720 I really only found that date on one site, Okay, 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.400 and this happened in a number of places. They would 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.240 they would bring them in an attempt to control rats, 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.720 because they're kind of like ferrets. They're the same bills. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:08.880 You bring them in to try to kill all the rats. Well, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.480 it turns out that a mongoose isn't all that excited 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.480 to kill a rat if it's not starving, so they 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.720 didn't work. They need other stuff. But the good at 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.440 killing snakes they are. And you know they're they're from 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:27.120 the lower two thirds. You can find mongyes in the 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.320 lower two thirds of Africa. In the lower band of Asia, 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.360 and as Joe had talked about with the snake things, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:39.520 people had been training them for years, uh to fight snakes. Actually, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:40.760 I don't think you even need to train them. I 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.480 think they just know how to do it well. Mongoose 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.720 is mongeese, however we're saying it today. Um, I mean 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.240 the way that they survive is they gosh, what's the 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.680 nice way of saying it is? Um, there's they're quote 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:56.600 unquote scavengers in real life. So they actually eat reptile 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.240 eggs often. That's they're one of their main sources of food, 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.840 and so they have to be good at fighting off 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.480 the parents of the next Yeah, in case the parent 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.800 comes back and it's like, hey, wait, maybe maybe don't 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.960 eat my unborn egg lins. Have you ever have you 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.000 ever seen a mongoose in a cobra fight? No, because 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.080 I don't like animal cruel, team No, I know it 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.840 is cruel. And I just saw a little brief clip 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:21.800 at one time that they were they put him in 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.840 an aquarium together, and the cobra like you know, rears 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.360 up and everything and like the strikes at the at 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:30.240 the mongoose and just instantaneously the mongoose was in the 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.760 air over the top of the cobra, came down on 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.080 top of the band. That was it for the cobra. Yeah, 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:41.720 they are clever, and so it's possible that somebody had 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.040 one and was training it for I don't know, some 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:48.200 kind of goofy act or something, and then it got loose. Now, 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.360 how Jeff was able to talk, I can't say, But 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.960 the presence of the mongoose could be explained through that. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.720 That's very far fetched. I understand that. I don't know, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.840 there are dogs that can talk. I mean you see 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.360 the videos online. I mean they're not actually talking, right, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.040 they just have figured out how to howl in a 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.560 certain way or you know, vocalize in a certain way 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.040 that sounds kind of like talking. So it could be 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:15.520 interpretation of about well, Jeff just said this. How about 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.240 the about that singing and dancing frog in that cartoon? 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.320 Totally real? Yeah, yeah, I got it. Let's move to 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.080 our next theory that I found out there, which is 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.640 that Jeff the talking mongoose was just a little girl's 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:39.520 fan fantasy and or a dad's plan to entertain his daughter. 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.880 I don't like this theory. Why, Well, because I don't know, 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:45.920 I think you liked this story a lot. I think 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.880 Jeff's real. I mean, can I can I tell everybody 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:54.240 that the theory Okay, this family lived out in the 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.640 middle of nowhere. I believe the town near where they 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:03.360 were it was it Rby or Dolby. I somehow don't 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.560 have it here in my notes, which is shocking. But 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:10.240 they didn't have electricity, they didn't have a phone or 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:15.359 a radio. All they had for entertainment besides the tiresome 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:19.320 company of each other was the Gramma phone, so they 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.679 could listen to records. That was it. They had nothing 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.840 to entertain themselves in the down time. So to me, 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.439 it seems quite plausible that the dad did this as 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.880 a way to entertain his daughter and give her some fun, 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.119 and then she really took on, or she did it 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.840 as a way because according to some she was a 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.080 bit of a ventriloquist, so she was throwing her voice 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.280 to play, and everybody just got on board because it 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:49.959 was a fun family game except for the rocks. Except 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.080 for the rocks, yeah, and the sand and the sing song? Right, 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:55.840 what did this little thirteen year old girl learned the 0:17:55.840 --> 0:18:01.240 dirty songs? Yeah, it's England, but learn about the pub 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:07.119 she was down at the bomb that didn't come out right. Um, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.119 But yeah, I mean the thing is is, uh, it 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:14.240 doesn't matter which one of these theories it is, because, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.960 like I said before, people came and stayed with them 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:23.800 for weeks on in and they got absolutely nothing. People 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.040 were investigating it, trying to figure out who Jeff was 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.360 or what Jeff was, and nothing happened. I don't feel 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.399 like that proves anything though. I mean, you know, if 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.520 I were a pulture guist, right, I wouldn't necessarily act 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.840 up when my family wasn't around if you know who was. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.359 If the whole point was to play with these people, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.200 why show off for somebody new? Really? But also, you 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.800 just start corroborating these people's story and why would you 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.959 Why would you do them that favor? It's actually much 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:52.560 more fun to have them out there being made pools. Yes, 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.960 that's kind of devious and extra extra clever alright. Also, 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.680 but also Jeff may have realized if you showed himself 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:02.760 to the rest of the world and proved his existence, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.880 and sooner or later somebody from the circus or something, 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.520 it's gonna got to come down and make an offer 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.320 and buy him and he's not and he's not going 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:13.200 to be his own man anymore. It's all right, well, 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.200 but we have some good evidence here. Here's here's the deal. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.440 Here's where we get to that that good bit of 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.200 evidence in the story that clinches what's really going on. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:26.600 Because I was doing some digging and I actually managed 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:30.040 to get in some newspaper archives. I don't know how 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:36.280 they got scanned, but they were scanned. Hang on, let 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:44.280 me try this. Uh huh, there we go. Hello, it 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.840 is I jaboozo again. It's been another year. Rub these 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.800 three foolish humans spending their time to talking instead of 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.560 petting us. My sister and Diana still not happy about this? 0:19:55.040 --> 0:20:01.440 Isn't that right? Beans? Real supportive beans? Anyway, here was 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.520 another piece of evidence showing how foolish they really are. 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:12.560 It's disturbing, isn't it? Beans? Beans? Beans? Great? You're asleep again? 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:19.679 Well high there and always the same way? All right, 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:24.040 let me do Hey there, Welcome to Thanking Sideways. Hey, 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:32.359 welcome to Thinking Sideways podcast. The podcast were as ye 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:44.520 while bored all right, he says, I recently started listening 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:49.040 to podcasts in general and was very disappointed that very 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:58.680 few podcasts there are very few podcasts. Englaish blasting doesn't work, 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.880 so we get am from Joe read by Joe. Joe. 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:11.960 Sandwich is sandwich. I don't know. I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:15.239 I don't know about that. That's gonna get caught out. 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.639 That's gonna get out. That's gotta get cut out. Okay. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.440 He's written two books on the subject, and he posits 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.960 that the cause let me just start the whole thing 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:31.639 over again without I'm so sorry. We're going to get 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:35.920 a shot color for you. I think it turned into 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.440 the like Legla shot collar us in that episode what 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:42.800 Futurama where Leela has the shot caller I vaguely remember, 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:55.640 and she just turns into sexual pleasure for her how 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.240 to find him? Well, you clearly didn't grow up a lady. 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.320 It's very clear didn't grow up as a lady. Because 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.119 I know all this. You want to tell us? I mean, 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:12.360 do you want me to tell you? Sure? And we're 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.440 come on, it's okay, okay, it's all right. The train 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.760 is stopped. Okay, so now we're in a fourard direction. 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.440 Ag Okay? Is that? Okay? Yes, okay, go down to 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.040 the bar car okay, and we're gonna keep going okay, 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:36.879 I'll go on making zero promises for anything, because I 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:39.440 need to readjust this a little bit. There's no we 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:42.960 need like a little stand, like a little music stand 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.080 right here, because there's not a good way to okay, 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.440 hold on, wait everything, God, I hope I don't knock 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:59.359 that over. Okay, Well hey there, uh, this is thinking 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:08.200 sideways the podcast. You laughing at me? No you want 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:16.440 me to do that over? You don't want that one? Please? No? Okay, okay, 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:29.480 shop boopo. And so anyway, he shows up and takes 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:32.000 up residents there and can we do that again with that? 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:38.080 So anyway, okay, so local Indians. Okay, let's leave about 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:46.640 the sew too. Alright, So okay, one more time here 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:54.119 he says, hey, thinking side, what we should know how 0:23:54.160 --> 0:24:11.840 to pronounce that? Oh? Okay, do you need your paper, Steve? 0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:17.960 Oh yeah, it's right there. No I haven't. Okay, all right, 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.240 here we go. Mine. No, mine was the one that 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:23.280 was creased. Mine was one of the spent and half crap, 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.240 too late to know. I was stuck with my achilties. 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:35.600 Any notes you slobbered Oliver Cooties. I watched you. You guys, 0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:48.760 be serious from you in that voice. These guys ethereous shop. Yeah, okay, 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:59.760 here we go. The toy toy you and refer your 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:02.840 toy it as the toy toy. Sometimes when I'm talking 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.720 to the cats, I'll refer to it as a toy toy. 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:15.240 Please tell me you're not serious. Not okay, okay, all right, okay, 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:16.840 So do you want do you need my do you 0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:20.320 need my computer? Read it? Okay? I have a smartphone. 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:24.120 They have a smarty pants phone. Weird smarty pants phone 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.960 also Spotify as a thing if you forget to download 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:40.880 the show. No, I think you met to say tumbler. 0:25:47.000 --> 0:25:52.280 Hi there, welcome to again into another episode of Danger Probe. No, no, 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:56.439 we're sharing that again. Okay, hang on, Hi there, welcome 0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:03.240 to another episode of Danger Probe. I think it sounds better. 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:11.360 Come bye, we go. They were taken to the hospital. 0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.680 They had they had skull fractions. They had skull fracture. 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.280 They had skull fractures. Do that whole thing over so 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:24.760 I don't have another facture. Yeah, let's do that, goddamn it, 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.119 because my wrapping skills suck and they're so good I 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:33.480 thought to have a record of it. Please please continue 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:35.560 with your story. Devin, Well, let me let me say 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:42.080 my rap song first, and then swinging in the how much, 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.040 what good? What tuck tuck? But what tuck good? Chuck, Look, 0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:48.320 I would love to do I would love to do 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:57.480 that to some wrap. Some rap music took it out. 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.600 So anyway, I think that's a song we need to record. 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:08.520 Sometimes we just did musical accompaniment. No, yeah, I'm totally 0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:19.119 gonna lay some bad beats underneath that. Bro. Yeah. Hey everybody, 0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:30.320 please you Hey, everybody, Hey, everybody kind of like the 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:37.840 hide there when the girls failed to miss the appointment 0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.560 that they'd set with that local guide that we were 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.159 talking about earlier. Didn't they didn't fail to miss it, 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:47.440 and the totally missed its. Remember how I thought I 0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:56.320 was going to start talking, gibbers just ten minutes. You 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.400 have a warm up. This is me dribbling the ball around. 0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:07.399 I oh, I just want my deep fried cheese curds. 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.480 Just calm down. I'm healthy. No it's not, it's healthy. 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.119 It's disgusting. No, it's good for you. It's disgusting. Can 0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:39.440 we just okay, yeah we can't. Thanks dad, dumb much 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:51.520 good talking, gook, Chuck Chuck, No, No, yeah, yeah, dumb 0:28:53.600 --> 0:29:02.280