1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't think you never know stories of things. 2 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: We simply don't know the answer too. Hey everybody, and 3 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: welcome again to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Steve, 4 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: of course, joined by my lovely co host, and once 5 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: again we've got a little bit of a mystery. Well 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: actually it's kind of a story, kind of a mystery, 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: but uh, like most of them, we've actually got a 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: good bit of information to reveal this. Yeah, but we're 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: going to save that bit for the end. We do 10 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: have a big reveal. We actually did get some kind 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: of insider exclusive information about this, and we were always 12 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: stoked about it before we Before we get into the 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: the story itself, I do just want to real quick 14 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: say thank you to Nicole who sent this in. She 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: sent this to us six months ago or so. Uh, 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: and I apologize for taking so long to get to it. 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: Probably shouldn't apologize because that's probably gonna be most of 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: our because you're trying to work them in chronological order. 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: But let's get to the story. Today. We're talking about 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: Jeff the Talking mongoos. Yeah, Jeff. The story of Jeff 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: the Talking Mongoose starts out in September of nineteen thirty 22 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: one when the Irving family, and the family consists of James, Margaret, 23 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: and their thirteen year old daughter Vore. I want to say, 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: is how you pronounce her name, Vory? I don't know. 25 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: It's o r why. It's a very British. It's a 26 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: very British. I'm sure it was at the time kind 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: of made sense for that area, because this, this whole 28 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: story takes place on the eye all of Man m m. 29 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: The family said that they heard persistent noises in the 30 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: walls or behind the wooden walls of their farmhouse, and 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: these noises were evidently it would be rustling or scratching 32 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: and at some point kind of vocalizations. I don't know 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: what the early noises were. There's not a lot of 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: good description of it. The family said that the noises 35 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: kind of sounded like they were maybe made by a 36 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: ferret or a dog, or weirdly enough, a baby, which 37 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: is just weird in the wooden walls of walls. Let's 38 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: just ignore it. Um. The dad, James, thought it was 39 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: a rat and he tried to drive it out. Obviously 40 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: that didn't work. He failed, but the noises continued for 41 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: several days, and again James Irving, he said, traps, he 42 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: put out poison, nothing's working. As a last ditch effort, 43 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: he went to a spot in the wall that there 44 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: had to have been some kind of opening. And I 45 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: don't know if this is a not hole or just 46 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: a bit of board missing. It doesn't we don't know. 47 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: But he decides that what he's gonna do is trying 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: to scare this critter out by growling at it like 49 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: a dog. Wait have you done that before? I don't 50 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: have animals living my walls anymore. Well it didn't. It 51 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: didn't work so well for James because whenever it was 52 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: in the wall, growled right back at it. And that's 53 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: when they discovered Jeff in the walls. Jeff. Jeff learned 54 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: to talk and said the Jett he was a mongoose 55 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: and that he had been born in New Delhi, India 56 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: in eighteen fifty two. That's some clever mongoose. It really is. 57 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: How to get to the man. We'll get to that. 58 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: The Irvings say that Jeff told them that he was 59 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: an extra extra clever mongoose and he was an earthbound 60 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: spirit and a ghost in the form of a mongoose, 61 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: which is all rather strange to me. I thought you 62 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: reincarnated as a mongoose. Man reincarnation sucks. It wouldn't be 63 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: the worst thing to be reincarnated at. You could come 64 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: back as a fleet You're right, you know, a mongoose. 65 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: You get to just like nest up and like cuddle up. 66 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: And unless you have fallen the Hansard those jerks in 67 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: some countries that like, you know, put the pad up 68 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: against cobra's you know, yeah, obviously not the country you 69 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: want to reincarnate as a well. The Irvings made other 70 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: statements or claims about Jeff. They again, this is James 71 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: Irving said, it announces its presence by calling either myself 72 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: or my wife by our Christian names. This is something 73 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: that he wrote. I think it might have been in 74 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: his diary, or maybe he wrote it to a paper. 75 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, because the papers went crazy about this. 76 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: As we're going to talk about is hearing powers are phenomenal. 77 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: It's no use whispering. It detects whispers fifteen to twenty 78 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: feet away, tells you that you're a whispering and there 79 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: repeats exactly what one has to say, which sounds like 80 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: a jerkish move to me, Yeah, that's interesting. Actually, that 81 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Irving or that Jim refers to Jeff as an it. 82 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't think he liked Jeff all that much, but 83 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: Jeff didn't mind him evidently. Is the cute little they 84 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: look like little versions of them, well, they look like 85 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: a ferret basically fret enough, Jeff was a good guard 86 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: for the house. Jeff would tell them when someone was 87 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: approaching the house and would also tell them when dogs 88 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: that it didn't that he didn't recognize were coming to 89 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: the house. If you if somebody had forgot to put 90 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: the fire out at night, Jeff evidently was the one 91 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: that would go down and shut the flu down and 92 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: tamp the fire to put the fire out, which is 93 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: an awfully nice thing to do, and would wake people 94 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: up if they overslaps. If if they did actually get 95 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: mice in their house, Jeff would get rid of them, 96 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: but Jeff said that Jeff didn't want to kill him, 97 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: would actually just scare the mice away, which okay, I guess, 98 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: but that means to me they'd come back. But hey, 99 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: what do I know, I'm not a mongoose. The Irvings, well, 100 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: they fed Jeff not exactly the normal fair that I 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: would say a mongoose should be eating. I mean, what 102 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: do you think about this diet, Devon. We've got biscuits, chocolates, 103 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: bananas and any other food that they had around. What 104 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: sounds like you know what the Brits eat anyways, not 105 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: that's not the standard diet for British people. Bangers. Yeah, 106 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: probably would have loved some bangers and mash. Well. The 107 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: family would put that food in a saucer that they 108 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: suspended from the ceiling. Again, I have to presume that 109 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: there was a no hole or some kind of gap 110 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: in the ceiling for Jeff to come through to get it. 111 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: But Jeff would only do it when he thought that 112 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: nobody was watching, so they never knew when the food disappeared. 113 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: None of the none of the adults in the family 114 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: ever saw Jeff, only the daughter vor Voyer. Again, I 115 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: don't know how to pronounce that. V said that she 116 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: saw Jeff only when he wanted to be seen, and 117 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: that Jeff was about the size of a small rat, 118 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: yellowish fur and a large bushy tail, which sounds like 119 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: a squirrel to me. Yeah, funny looking squirrel. Jeff, as 120 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: we alluded to earlier, became pretty popular in the tabloids, 121 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: journalists and other people from everywhere came to the house 122 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: to try to investigate and discover what Jeff was. Nobody 123 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: could ever hear Jeff. Nobody ever saw Jeff. There were 124 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: claims of people who said they saw Jeff, but those 125 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 1: were unsubstantiated. There were prints on the walls of the 126 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: inside of the house, as well as hair that were 127 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: left around that they claimed was from Jeff. Yeah. Uh, 128 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: it turned out it was from the family sheep dog, 129 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: both the muddy prints and the hair, so we've got 130 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: nothing substantial there. This is where the story kind of 131 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: takes its sad turn, is that James died and his wife, 132 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: Margaret their daughter had to leave the home in and 133 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: Jeff didn't go with them. They had to sell the 134 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: farm from what I can tell, at a pretty hefty 135 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: loss because of Jeff. It was considered hunted what he 136 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: wanted to pay good money for it. Yeah, is not 137 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: exactly an unfriendly ghost though, really no, no, it seems 138 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: pretty nice. He's got some kind of jerkish behavior that 139 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: we'll talk about here momentarily. The person who bought the 140 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: house was a farmer by the name of Leslie Graham 141 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: and Leslie Graham claimed to have shot and killed Jeff. Yeah, 142 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: once again, the creature that he displayed was pretty large 143 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: and had black and white fur and didn't match the 144 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: descriptions of Jeff and v Irvington is we're going to 145 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: call her from now? Which? What did I say? Irvington? 146 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: Irving Sorry, she was certain that it was not Jeff. 147 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: She did, she did pass away back in two thousand five, 148 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: and she was pretty hesitant to talk about Jeff for 149 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of that time. But she said that she 150 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: didn't make Jeff up and she was positive Jeff was real. Well, 151 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: you know, it sounds like Leslie may have killed like 152 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: a skunk or something. Yeah, you know, that's kind of 153 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: what I thought, that a big rat or something. Well, 154 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: if it was black and white, I would I would 155 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: presume mongooses don't come in that color. They're they're brown 156 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: brown or like yellowy brown, not black and white. So 157 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: certainly it wasn't a mongoose. Whatever it was couldn't have 158 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: been a mongoose that he got. Let's move to the theories. Okay, 159 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: So theory number one is that Jeff was poltergeist, which 160 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: kind of makes sense, Joe said earlier. Kind of a 161 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: friendly ghost. I thought Polter guests were always kind of jerks, 162 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: so well, not a ghost, an actual ghost, as Jeff claims, 163 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: let's run with that fear. I only wanted to be 164 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: seen or could only be seen when wanted to be seen. 165 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: That's kind of a ghost thing. Could talk to people, 166 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: kind of a ghost is thing. Here's where some of 167 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: the jerky behavior comes from. Could throw rocks. Yeah, it 168 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: turned out Jeff didn't like Margaret the mom very much. 169 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: And when they would go out on walks, because they 170 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: would go to on walks to town or whatnot. H Yeah, 171 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: Jeff would run along and chatter at him or to 172 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: them while in the bushes, but never in plain sight. 173 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: But occasionally Martin would be out there and jeffers throw 174 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: stones that are not that nice. Well, that's why I 175 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of went with the Poulter guys are supposed to 176 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: be able to do that. Kind of Poulter guys be 177 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: mobile though, or is he is he like into the 178 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: house of the inhabits. That really depends on who you 179 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: ask in the situation. Because I've seen stuff about they 180 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 1: followed me to the market, and I don't know, I 181 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: can't corroborate any of that. There are some poultry guys 182 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: who reportedly follow objects or people right from house to 183 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: house to house. But you would presume that if they 184 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: if Jeff was a Poultre geist and was following Margaret 185 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: or or somebody, you know, that he would have gone 186 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: to the house the next house with them. Uh So, 187 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: who knows what what? Yeah, it's hard to say, I mean, 188 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: but but Jeff got up to some pretty prankish behavior, 189 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: which is also a poulter Geist thing. In the middle 190 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: of the night, would throw sand at the windows and 191 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: would also in the middle of the night decide to 192 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: sing songs, sometimes body songs that would just sing them 193 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: out loud for the whole family, which is great when 194 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: you got a thirteen year old girl in the house 195 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: the protector. But hey, what do I know, she's got 196 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: to learn sometimes may as well be from that weird 197 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: Poultre guys that you have that's also among goose. Maybe 198 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: it could be like, you know, it's it's just been like, 199 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, what's the word I'm thinking of. He's been 200 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: like inhabited by by like a demon or something like that. 201 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: So it goes to possessed by a demon. I don't know, 202 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's territory we haven't ever really gone into, 203 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: so I don't going into it now. Our next theory 204 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: is that Jeff really was a mongoose who was actually 205 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: extra extra clever. It turns out mongoose were imported to 206 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: the area moese Okay, Mongese, Mongese the plural of mongoose. 207 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. I'm not using English to day. 208 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: The mongeese were brought to the Isle of Man about 209 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: twenty years earlier. And what there's not a lot of 210 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: sources that I could find about when exactly they were imported. 211 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: I really only found that date on one site, Okay, 212 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: and this happened in a number of places. They would 213 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: they would bring them in an attempt to control rats, 214 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: because they're kind of like ferrets. They're the same bills. 215 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: You bring them in to try to kill all the rats. Well, 216 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: it turns out that a mongoose isn't all that excited 217 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: to kill a rat if it's not starving, so they 218 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: didn't work. They need other stuff. But the good at 219 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: killing snakes they are. And you know they're they're from 220 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the lower two thirds. You can find mongyes in the 221 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: lower two thirds of Africa. In the lower band of Asia, 222 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: and as Joe had talked about with the snake things, 223 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: people had been training them for years, uh to fight snakes. Actually, 224 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't think you even need to train them. I 225 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: think they just know how to do it well. Mongoose 226 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: is mongeese, however we're saying it today. Um, I mean 227 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: the way that they survive is they gosh, what's the 228 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: nice way of saying it is? Um, there's they're quote 229 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: unquote scavengers in real life. So they actually eat reptile 230 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: eggs often. That's they're one of their main sources of food, 231 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: and so they have to be good at fighting off 232 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: the parents of the next Yeah, in case the parent 233 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: comes back and it's like, hey, wait, maybe maybe don't 234 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: eat my unborn egg lins. Have you ever have you 235 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: ever seen a mongoose in a cobra fight? No, because 236 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: I don't like animal cruel, team No, I know it 237 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: is cruel. And I just saw a little brief clip 238 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: at one time that they were they put him in 239 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: an aquarium together, and the cobra like you know, rears 240 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: up and everything and like the strikes at the at 241 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: the mongoose and just instantaneously the mongoose was in the 242 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: air over the top of the cobra, came down on 243 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: top of the band. That was it for the cobra. Yeah, 244 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: they are clever, and so it's possible that somebody had 245 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: one and was training it for I don't know, some 246 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: kind of goofy act or something, and then it got loose. Now, 247 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: how Jeff was able to talk, I can't say, But 248 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: the presence of the mongoose could be explained through that. 249 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: That's very far fetched. I understand that. I don't know, 250 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: there are dogs that can talk. I mean you see 251 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: the videos online. I mean they're not actually talking, right, 252 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: they just have figured out how to howl in a 253 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: certain way or you know, vocalize in a certain way 254 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: that sounds kind of like talking. So it could be 255 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: interpretation of about well, Jeff just said this. How about 256 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: the about that singing and dancing frog in that cartoon? 257 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Totally real? Yeah, yeah, I got it. Let's move to 258 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: our next theory that I found out there, which is 259 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: that Jeff the talking mongoose was just a little girl's 260 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: fan fantasy and or a dad's plan to entertain his daughter. 261 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't like this theory. Why, Well, because I don't know, 262 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: I think you liked this story a lot. I think 263 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: Jeff's real. I mean, can I can I tell everybody 264 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: that the theory Okay, this family lived out in the 265 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. I believe the town near where they 266 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: were it was it Rby or Dolby. I somehow don't 267 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: have it here in my notes, which is shocking. But 268 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: they didn't have electricity, they didn't have a phone or 269 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: a radio. All they had for entertainment besides the tiresome 270 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: company of each other was the Gramma phone, so they 271 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: could listen to records. That was it. They had nothing 272 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: to entertain themselves in the down time. So to me, 273 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: it seems quite plausible that the dad did this as 274 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 1: a way to entertain his daughter and give her some fun, 275 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: and then she really took on, or she did it 276 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: as a way because according to some she was a 277 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: bit of a ventriloquist, so she was throwing her voice 278 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: to play, and everybody just got on board because it 279 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 1: was a fun family game except for the rocks. Except 280 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: for the rocks, yeah, and the sand and the sing song? Right, 281 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: what did this little thirteen year old girl learned the 282 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: dirty songs? Yeah, it's England, but learn about the pub 283 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: she was down at the bomb that didn't come out right. Um, 284 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the thing is is, uh, it 285 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: doesn't matter which one of these theories it is, because, 286 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: like I said before, people came and stayed with them 287 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: for weeks on in and they got absolutely nothing. People 288 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: were investigating it, trying to figure out who Jeff was 289 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 1: or what Jeff was, and nothing happened. I don't feel 290 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: like that proves anything though. I mean, you know, if 291 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: I were a pulture guist, right, I wouldn't necessarily act 292 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: up when my family wasn't around if you know who was. 293 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: If the whole point was to play with these people, 294 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: why show off for somebody new? Really? But also, you 295 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: just start corroborating these people's story and why would you 296 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: Why would you do them that favor? It's actually much 297 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: more fun to have them out there being made pools. Yes, 298 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: that's kind of devious and extra extra clever alright. Also, 299 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: but also Jeff may have realized if you showed himself 300 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: to the rest of the world and proved his existence, 301 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: and sooner or later somebody from the circus or something, 302 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna got to come down and make an offer 303 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: and buy him and he's not and he's not going 304 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: to be his own man anymore. It's all right, well, 305 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: but we have some good evidence here. Here's here's the deal. 306 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: Here's where we get to that that good bit of 307 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: evidence in the story that clinches what's really going on. 308 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: Because I was doing some digging and I actually managed 309 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: to get in some newspaper archives. I don't know how 310 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: they got scanned, but they were scanned. Hang on, let 311 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: me try this. Uh huh, there we go. Hello, it 312 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: is I jaboozo again. It's been another year. Rub these 313 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: three foolish humans spending their time to talking instead of 314 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: petting us. My sister and Diana still not happy about this? 315 00:19:55,040 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: Isn't that right? Beans? Real supportive beans? Anyway, here was 316 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: another piece of evidence showing how foolish they really are. 317 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: It's disturbing, isn't it? Beans? Beans? Beans? Great? You're asleep again? 318 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: Well high there and always the same way? All right, 319 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: let me do Hey there, Welcome to Thanking Sideways. Hey, 320 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: welcome to Thinking Sideways podcast. The podcast were as ye 321 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: while bored all right, he says, I recently started listening 322 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: to podcasts in general and was very disappointed that very 323 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: few podcasts there are very few podcasts. Englaish blasting doesn't work, 324 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: so we get am from Joe read by Joe. Joe. 325 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: Sandwich is sandwich. I don't know. I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, 326 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. That's gonna get caught out. 327 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: That's gonna get out. That's gotta get cut out. Okay. 328 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: He's written two books on the subject, and he posits 329 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: that the cause let me just start the whole thing 330 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: over again without I'm so sorry. We're going to get 331 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: a shot color for you. I think it turned into 332 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: the like Legla shot collar us in that episode what 333 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: Futurama where Leela has the shot caller I vaguely remember, 334 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: and she just turns into sexual pleasure for her how 335 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: to find him? Well, you clearly didn't grow up a lady. 336 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: It's very clear didn't grow up as a lady. Because 337 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: I know all this. You want to tell us? I mean, 338 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: do you want me to tell you? Sure? And we're 339 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: come on, it's okay, okay, it's all right. The train 340 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: is stopped. Okay, so now we're in a fourard direction. 341 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: Ag Okay? Is that? Okay? Yes, okay, go down to 342 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: the bar car okay, and we're gonna keep going okay, 343 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: I'll go on making zero promises for anything, because I 344 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: need to readjust this a little bit. There's no we 345 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: need like a little stand, like a little music stand 346 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: right here, because there's not a good way to okay, 347 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: hold on, wait everything, God, I hope I don't knock 348 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: that over. Okay, Well hey there, uh, this is thinking 349 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: sideways the podcast. You laughing at me? No you want 350 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 1: me to do that over? You don't want that one? Please? No? Okay, okay, 351 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: shop boopo. And so anyway, he shows up and takes 352 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: up residents there and can we do that again with that? 353 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: So anyway, okay, so local Indians. Okay, let's leave about 354 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: the sew too. Alright, So okay, one more time here 355 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: he says, hey, thinking side, what we should know how 356 00:23:54,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: to pronounce that? Oh? Okay, do you need your paper, Steve? 357 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's right there. No I haven't. Okay, all right, 358 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: here we go. Mine. No, mine was the one that 359 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: was creased. Mine was one of the spent and half crap, 360 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: too late to know. I was stuck with my achilties. 361 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: Any notes you slobbered Oliver Cooties. I watched you. You guys, 362 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: be serious from you in that voice. These guys ethereous shop. Yeah, okay, 363 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: here we go. The toy toy you and refer your 364 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: toy it as the toy toy. Sometimes when I'm talking 365 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: to the cats, I'll refer to it as a toy toy. 366 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: Please tell me you're not serious. Not okay, okay, all right, okay, 367 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: So do you want do you need my do you 368 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: need my computer? Read it? Okay? I have a smartphone. 369 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: They have a smarty pants phone. Weird smarty pants phone 370 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: also Spotify as a thing if you forget to download 371 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: the show. No, I think you met to say tumbler. 372 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: Hi there, welcome to again into another episode of Danger Probe. No, no, 373 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: we're sharing that again. Okay, hang on, Hi there, welcome 374 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: to another episode of Danger Probe. I think it sounds better. 375 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: Come bye, we go. They were taken to the hospital. 376 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: They had they had skull fractions. They had skull fracture. 377 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: They had skull fractures. Do that whole thing over so 378 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't have another facture. Yeah, let's do that, goddamn it, 379 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: because my wrapping skills suck and they're so good I 380 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: thought to have a record of it. Please please continue 381 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: with your story. Devin, Well, let me let me say 382 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: my rap song first, and then swinging in the how much, 383 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: what good? What tuck tuck? But what tuck good? Chuck, Look, 384 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: I would love to do I would love to do 385 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: that to some wrap. Some rap music took it out. 386 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: So anyway, I think that's a song we need to record. 387 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes we just did musical accompaniment. No, yeah, I'm totally 388 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: gonna lay some bad beats underneath that. Bro. Yeah. Hey everybody, 389 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: please you Hey, everybody, Hey, everybody kind of like the 390 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: hide there when the girls failed to miss the appointment 391 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: that they'd set with that local guide that we were 392 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Didn't they didn't fail to miss it, 393 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: and the totally missed its. Remember how I thought I 394 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: was going to start talking, gibbers just ten minutes. You 395 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: have a warm up. This is me dribbling the ball around. 396 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: I oh, I just want my deep fried cheese curds. 397 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: Just calm down. I'm healthy. No it's not, it's healthy. 398 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: It's disgusting. No, it's good for you. It's disgusting. Can 399 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: we just okay, yeah we can't. Thanks dad, dumb much 400 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: good talking, gook, Chuck Chuck, No, No, yeah, yeah, dumb 401 00:28:53,600 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: dumb chuck, one chuck, chuck. Look. Pudamata propom become becoming 402 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: pudamatoproponam with the beta becoming pudamo