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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Ay, me and TJ here in studio, and

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Speaker 1: we are never thought we would take up an entire

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Speaker 1: by headlines we read in the morning. That sounds crazy,

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Speaker 1: but that's exactly what happened. We got up this morning

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Speaker 1: after the NFC AFC Championships, and we started seeing headlines

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Speaker 1: about a very dear friend of ours.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We watched the playoff games all day yesterday,

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Speaker 2: all night into the evening, and then went to bed

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Speaker 2: and woke up and said, wait, what did we miss?

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Speaker 2: It was, actually, you know, when you're open your phone

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Speaker 2: and the Apple feed straight out that something about our

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Speaker 2: dear friend, Michael Strahan. And we were confused because we

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Speaker 2: watched as much as we thought we were supposed to

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Speaker 2: and didn't see anything that would warrant a headline.

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Speaker 1: I hate using that word triggered, but it was something

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Speaker 1: about this particular series of headlines having to do with

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Speaker 1: straight hand and most of you be listening to our

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Speaker 1: voices know it had to do with the postgame ceremony

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Speaker 1: at the NFC Championship game between the Lions and the

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Speaker 1: forty nine ers. So we started seeing these headlines. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to misquote them. I think you have them

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Speaker 1: in front of Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I actually this is actually a little painful for

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Speaker 2: me because I'm not a fan and I know you're

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Speaker 2: not either of reading clickbait, but that is what this

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Speaker 2: is because of the words they use. Okay, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but it's just using words like butchering, brutal, ripped, you know,

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Speaker 2: just all of these adjectives or ways to describe how

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Speaker 2: he handled the postgame celebration giving the trophy over to

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, And so we thought, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: what did he do? What did he say?

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Speaker 1: We have to watch? We were like legitimately concerned, like

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Speaker 1: there was such talk about it, and the words that

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Speaker 1: terrified that, oh, my goodness, what has happened. So we

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Speaker 1: went back and watched it. Because we didn't watch it

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Speaker 1: live because the game had been decided. We turned it

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Speaker 1: watched it today. And your reaction act, Okay, your reaction

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Speaker 1: after watching it when I queued it up this one.

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Speaker 2: I said, huh, I mean, I don't understand what all

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Speaker 2: of the fuss was about. I don't understand all these headlines.

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Speaker 2: And I actually went and did something because it.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't about us.

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Speaker 2: I felt a little safer reading some of the comments.

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Speaker 2: And if you read these comments, I mean, that's what's brutal,

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Speaker 2: that's what's rough. So I was expecting something terrible. I

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Speaker 2: what I saw was, you know, an excited, a little frenetic,

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Speaker 2: a not perfect in a live event moment where someone's

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Speaker 2: ring circus, is it ends up being I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: we know what it's like, not at that level, but

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Speaker 2: in general, to be on live television and to have

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Speaker 2: eight people after some huge historic game where everybody's hyped,

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Speaker 2: there is so much chaos. There's probably there's confetti flying,

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Speaker 1: And he did it, by the way, and he did

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Speaker 1: a good job of it. I would argue, right, there's

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Speaker 1: said you it's not going to be perfect. It's live TV. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what live TV is. Y. None of it's perfect.

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Speaker 2: That's what actually makes it kind of interesting. Sometimes it

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Speaker 1: It would right, but no, straight and we went back

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Speaker 1: and watched I think we might. I've queued it up

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Speaker 1: this because it was for us quite personal, given our

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Speaker 1: longstanding friendships and close ties to Stray over the years.

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Speaker 1: So we're always watching him, always rooting for him, especially

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to call it unfair. If you

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Speaker 1: But this was it was He might not even be aware,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would actually encourage anybody, especially if

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Speaker 2: And I do think there are some things that we

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Speaker 2: know what it's like when you're in that position, like

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Speaker 2: Michael Strahan, people are in your ear, they're telling you

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Speaker 2: move on. There might be time constrictions, So a lot

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Speaker 2: of people complain that he didn't let Joe Montana speak,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing that people don't realize when

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Speaker 2: the people you're supposed to congratulate, thank and recognize, but

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Speaker 2: you also have a producer in your ear, very oftentimes

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Speaker 2: giving you time cues, hurry it up, move past. We

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Speaker 2: don't know if the producer said, hey, we don't have

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Speaker 2: get the trophy to who it's supposed to go to.

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Speaker 2: And those are the types of directives you're getting in

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Speaker 2: I just wanted there to be some of those maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about all the times and the coordination and

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Speaker 1: And this is not some bull throated defense of Stray.

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Speaker 1: It was just interesting to read the headlines this morning

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Speaker 1: that didn't match what actually took place on television. Another

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Speaker 1: point is he got the assignment late. This has been

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Speaker 1: But he gets up there and he was still being

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Speaker 2: People were complaining that he was yelling, and it was like, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're in a stadium, a major event just

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Speaker 1: And there you go. So Joe Montana was staying so

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Speaker 1: I of and you know this, this was my wheelhouse

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Speaker 1: in what you say, in my former life. Yes, these

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Speaker 1: big live events to where they come to you as

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Speaker 1: soon as they say your name and you're live. You

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Speaker 1: got so many things to coordinate. I have literally done

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Speaker 1: stories where I start live in a basement. I have

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Speaker 1: I have to remember, the organization he's a part of.

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Speaker 2: End and do it all in a very specific amount

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Speaker 1: With somebody in your heart. You're saying, ninety seconds, wrap

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Speaker 1: it up, you wrap this whole thing is happening, and

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Speaker 1: you damn right. I have messed up somebody's name. I

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Speaker 1: have probably gotten a little loud because somebody was in

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Speaker 2: Talking talking in your ear right, everybody, just everyone just jumped.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening with AirPods, that probably was a lot.

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Speaker 1: But that's what happens on live television. Note when you

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Speaker 1: much to see how he's being dragged like nasty stuff.

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Speaker 1: Not just nasty one thing. Somebody will say, come on,

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Speaker 1: why didn't you let Joe speak? Why do you let Montana?

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Speaker 1: I don't say that. It was over that, over that.

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Speaker 2: And I asked you because I mean, I like to

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Speaker 2: And I asked you, I said, are sports fans? I

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Speaker 2: mean I've heard it, you know, just people talk about

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Speaker 2: say that in a positive way. But these types of

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Speaker 1: Us, Yes, that's it. You don't want to you don't

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Speaker 2: Piss anyone off in either one of those genre.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what you say when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 1: I could. I could put out a message on social

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Speaker 1: media today that only says Michael Jordan was good at basketball,

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Speaker 1: and I will get negative comments, you idiots. I will

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Speaker 1: automatically get bad It's just how it goes. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And you you mentioned the forty nine Ers fans and

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Speaker 2: something about Strahan not picking them.

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Speaker 1: I mean some weep were taking issue with him weeks past,

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Speaker 1: like an earlier coverage of the season, like he didn't

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Speaker 1: stuff comes back, so it ends up being a little

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Speaker 1: it's a little silly, but this one we genuinely. I

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Speaker 1: asked you first thing is wanted, like did you see this?

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Speaker 1: What happened? You were like, oh my god, what did

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Speaker 1: he do? Did he perform a ritual killing on I mean.

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Speaker 2: It seemed like maybe he killed someone and that's kind

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Speaker 2: of where it was. That's how awful it was apparently.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, we were very relieved and puzzled a little

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Speaker 2: bit once we actually saw because I thought, why was

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Speaker 2: that so bad? What? I'm confused? Anyway, Like you said,

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Speaker 2: straight does not need us defending him. We just felt

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Speaker 2: compelled to say something. And dude was a Giants player.

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Speaker 2: He knows what the fans are like.

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Speaker 1: He really really aware.

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Speaker 2: I remember him telling me like, whoa, there was just

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