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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production

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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and

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Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. He paused. Then I was like,

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Speaker 1: is it my time? I don't know how to do

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Speaker 1: my talkies. Some days we talked about Fitzhugh Ludlow. This week.

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Speaker 1: I have so much compassion for him, and at the

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Speaker 1: same time, I also have a funny thing that's kind

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Speaker 1: of my initial thoughts on him were less kind than

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Speaker 1: they became during the research. Okay, because part of it

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Speaker 1: is that his writing of his first book about his

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Speaker 1: use of hashish kind of struck me the way like

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Speaker 1: a trust fund baby will do something for the first

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Speaker 1: time and think they invented it and like they're the

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Speaker 1: only person that's ever experiences. But then reading it, when

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Speaker 1: I actually started reading more of it, and I was like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: he's really being very frank about the ups and downs

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Speaker 1: of using mind altering substances and being very honest and

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Speaker 1: not as a brilliant as I had initially anticipated. I

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Speaker 1: really came to respect a lot of his work. And

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Speaker 1: then the fact that while he was dealing with his

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Speaker 1: own problems and his own difficulties of trying to get

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Speaker 1: over his opium addiction, that he was trying to advocate

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Speaker 1: and help as many other people, even though he probably

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Speaker 1: knew he was not long for this earth. I just

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Speaker 1: kind of now have a soft spot for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a weird thing I did not include. It gets

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Speaker 1: referenced in some of his obituaries, and it's because several

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Speaker 1: of them mentioned that his last public appearance was as

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Speaker 1: a witness in a weird trial. And I was trying

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Speaker 1: to figure this whole thing out out because it seems

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Speaker 1: like there was a mister McFarland who was in some

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Speaker 1: trouble for various fraudulent activities, and then at some point

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Speaker 1: fitz Hugh Ludlow had basically ghost written a thing for

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Speaker 1: him and allowed him to say he had written it,

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Speaker 1: and he sold that piece, okay, And so that was

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Speaker 1: the only connection of the two of them. But once

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Speaker 1: fitz Hugh Ludlow set in court, No, I actually wrote

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Speaker 1: that it shifted how some of the other evidence was

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Speaker 1: perceived because that had been used of a thing of

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Speaker 1: like this man who can write like this and do this,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, no, he actually can't relate. That fits

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Speaker 1: Hugh Ludlow with which was just weird. We mentioned briefly

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Speaker 1: in the episode that his father Henry, after losing his

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Speaker 1: first daughter, Maria, he loved his kids, but he in

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Speaker 1: his private writings, noted that he could never love a

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Speaker 1: child the way that he had loved Maria, Like nothing

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Speaker 1: could ever fill that vacancy in his heart that he

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Speaker 1: felt that he had after Maria died. Until and this

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Speaker 1: makes this whole marriage thing super weird. When fitz Hugh

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Speaker 1: met Rosalie, Henry's writing was like, Rosalie is the thing

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Speaker 1: that will fix my sorrow over Mary. I love her

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Speaker 1: so much. She's the daughter that I lost, and it's

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Speaker 1: really really odd. Yikes. So then for that person who

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Speaker 1: that also cheats on you and leaves with your friend, Listen,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot going on in this young man's

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Speaker 1: life that was not as him. Yeah, super messy, not great.

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Speaker 1: I also saw a thing and I couldn't ever figure

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Speaker 1: what they were talking about. There was an exhibit done

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Speaker 1: at Union College about Fitzhugh Ludlow, because that's his alma mater.

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Speaker 1: And in one of like the plaques about him, it

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Speaker 1: suggested that his sister Helen was gay, and that he

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Speaker 1: had written a short story that was like a thinly

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Speaker 1: veiled way of talking about her, and that he loved

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Speaker 1: her and you know, wanted her to be happy. But

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Speaker 1: I could never figure out which one of his short

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Speaker 1: stories it was, And I will confess to you I

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Speaker 1: did not read all of his short stories to find it,

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Speaker 1: because fitz Hugh Ludlow had a busy pen like he

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Speaker 1: not sure which that was. If that's true, I would

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Speaker 1: some way. But it's an interesting thing because it's one

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Speaker 1: more way in which he seemed really progressive about a

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Speaker 1: That's how he felt, and that if you could then

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Speaker 1: They will have broken their reliance on it, both emotionally

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Speaker 1: with Beerstadt, he talks about how hard it was to

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Speaker 1: Anytime I'm on a red eye flight now, probably not

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Speaker 1: And it seemed to work for him, if indeed that's correct.

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Speaker 1: his accounts. Sure so sure, but I'd like to I

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Speaker 1: really do like the way he writes. It is very florid,

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Speaker 1: of signatures this week. Uh huh. That man loved Mercury. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I loved it for everything. I've had him on my

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Speaker 1: mercury thing. First of all, I think that's probably he

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Speaker 1: like in many many search setups will work this way.

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Speaker 1: you go into almost any of his books and search mercury,

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Speaker 1: it's almost a solid line everywhere. He's just like mercury mercury.

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Speaker 1: I heart mercury, like he loves it so much. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: that's poison. Yeah, yo, you're killing people your mention of poison.

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Speaker 1: Though it brings up a quote from him, and of

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Speaker 1: you get great sleep. I hope everyone is kind to

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Speaker 1: you eat the most delicious things and that you feel

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Speaker 1: restored in whatever way makes the most sense to you.

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