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Speaker 1: Blame Booze and Melville. I am joined by my Intrepid crew.
Speaker 1: But first iHeart Radio and one of a lot of
Speaker 1: productions bring you this episode and this Intrepid crew, Amy Sugarman,
Speaker 1: Danielle Romo and a very dry terror suit. Tara and
Speaker 1: I and the team gathered quite at the rainstorm. I
Speaker 1: hope everybody survived intact.
Speaker 2: I didn't have any of it.
Speaker 3: You didn't have any of it.
Speaker 2: It was just sunny here, sunny, sunny Sonny.
Speaker 1: Oh really, so you're up there. You didn't get any anything. Francisco,
Speaker 1: you avoided it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just had nothing.
Speaker 4: You didn't have a hurricane or an earthquake.
Speaker 2: We did have an earthquake about a week or so before,
Speaker 2: Like I woke me up at like seven am.
Speaker 5: They're calling it the hurriquake.
Speaker 2: I don't want to laugh. It's not good to laugh.
Speaker 2: I shouldn't laugh because those things are serious. Both things
Speaker 2: are serious, I know, just ours work, Scott. Did you
Speaker 2: feel the shape?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a little shaken over here. I went
Speaker 1: through the north Ridge quake. I was here, I was visiting.
Speaker 2: So I went through that. You remember how like, uh,
Speaker 2: either a few years before that was the San Francisco one.
Speaker 1: Yes, remember I wasn't here for that. I wasn't in
Speaker 1: LA for that. But I remember I.
Speaker 2: Was in San Francisco for the San Francisco one and
Speaker 2: you were in LA for the north Ridge one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That was bad.
Speaker 1: We have we have. That was bad experience. Bad. I
Speaker 1: thought I was going to die in that thing.
Speaker 2: Oh really, you were scared.
Speaker 1: I was on the sixth floor of a apartment, uh
Speaker 1: condo complex, and it felt like and everything in the
Speaker 1: kitchen was exploding and everything coming out, and you could
Speaker 1: hear the explosions and everything falling over. Oh, and I
Speaker 1: was with one who I was visiting at that time,
Speaker 1: and uh, I just threw the blanket over the top
Speaker 1: of us, got on top of her, rolled as off
Speaker 1: the bed onto the side of the bed, because that's
Speaker 1: what they tell you to do, to get on the
Speaker 1: side of the bed. So if debris is falling, it
Speaker 1: hits the bed first and it slows it down before
Speaker 1: it hits you. Kind of deal. And then I mean
Speaker 1: I felt, actually felt the grim Reaper on the other
Speaker 1: side of the bedroom door. I was that scared. So
Speaker 1: I thought this, there's going to be a giant hole
Speaker 1: going to open up in this floor and we're going down. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was that violent. The shaking was that violent. I thought,
Speaker 1: there's no way this structure can withstand this. So terrifying,
Speaker 1: And then they read card of the building. They got
Speaker 1: everybody out of the building. So we're all like out there.
Speaker 1: Nobody that anybody we'd seen it. We'd seen each other
Speaker 1: in the laundry room or whatever, but but everybody was
Speaker 1: milling a belder. But no way like three am. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we couldn't go back in.
Speaker 2: No, you were really in the center of it.
Speaker 1: They let us back in for ten minutes to get essentials,
Speaker 1: and then we had to go to a hotel. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Away ninety four was scary.
Speaker 4: I remember that because I grew up over there too,
Speaker 4: and I have never seen my dad so scared of
Speaker 4: my entire life other than that night. I, as a
Speaker 4: four year old, vividly remember that entire entire night trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was it. I thought, this is it.
Speaker 2: Curtains No, so I could feel the San Francisco one obviously,
Speaker 2: like very intensely, and it went on and on and on.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't in the city, so I was, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes away, so it was much less. But my
Speaker 2: dad was in the city and like would have normally
Speaker 2: gotten on the bridge, but that was when the bridge fell.
Speaker 2: Part of the bridge fell, so he had to.
Speaker 1: Go Golden Gate Bridge.
Speaker 2: That it was the Bay Bridge, so at the piece
Speaker 2: of the bay. Yeah, the upper deck fell, and then
Speaker 2: another freeway called the Nimens Freeway. It's not there anymore, pancaked,
Speaker 2: and so yeah, I was terrifying, but it wasn't as
Speaker 2: bad if you were like on the outskirts, and then
Speaker 2: the problem was the fires. I mean, it's welcome to
Speaker 2: you know, natural disaster talk.
Speaker 1: Listen speaking of earthquakes. Well, I tell you, Laura, I
Speaker 1: must have felt the tremors coming when Emily was about
Speaker 1: to get the magazine or anyway, it's.
Speaker 2: A segue from a king.
Speaker 1: Let me choose, but I think we are minus a
Speaker 1: synopsisization and we need one. Danielle, You're on all right.
Speaker 4: This is season five, episode twenty one, Blame Booz and Melville,
Speaker 4: Air date May tenth, two thousand and five.
Speaker 3: Lorlai discovers her.
Speaker 4: Comments about Emily were not edited out of the article.
Speaker 4: Big surprise there. In braces for the fallout, Rory's paper
Speaker 4: career hits a snag, and Suki goes into labor. A
Speaker 4: rival buyer interferes with Luke's attempt to purchase the Twickham estate,
Speaker 4: and Emily becomes the patron of a Russian ballet dancer.
Speaker 2: By the way, that was just weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird, but it all kind of worked, yeah kinda.
Speaker 1: I mean it wasn't hilarious. I mean I thought I
Speaker 1: thought the ballerina was the bit was funnier than the
Speaker 1: Michale bit.
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, Scott. I thought that was
Speaker 2: they should have just like it was the joke that
Speaker 2: just needed one joke. It was.
Speaker 1: It was surreal in this really great way. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just they just went to the well one too many. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just got like cringey.
Speaker 5: They just need to give Emily something to do. That's
Speaker 5: what A felt.
Speaker 2: I thought the Kirk stuff was way better, like finding
Speaker 2: out that he has almost a quarter of a million
Speaker 2: dollars like that, two forty.
Speaker 1: Seven dollars and fifty four cents.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he was so mean about it, Like I
Speaker 4: didn't I did not expect to see that side of Kirk.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: He was like a he was like a corporate raider.
Speaker 1: No heart, you know, no soul, just take the building away.
Speaker 1: It was very anti stars Hollow, didn't you think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that something like that was taking place in stars Hollow
Speaker 1: after Luke had been so you know, brotherly and uncle
Speaker 1: Lee to to Sean for these yeah who life for
Speaker 1: these at least these five seasons. I thought it was.
Speaker 2: Very It's true you wouldn't expect Kirk to go up
Speaker 2: against Luke because he so revers him that you're like
Speaker 2: whoa bro.
Speaker 1: I mean, it created him some very funny scenes. I'll
Speaker 1: admit I chuckled through all of them. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: just wasn't It didn't ring Star's hollowy to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was good, tongue in cheek.
Speaker 2: Fun and yeah, I enjoyed it. I also, okay, so
Speaker 2: we'll go to the opening. I thought, yeah, true, we
Speaker 2: take it very serious. I thought the opening was cute
Speaker 2: with them dipping. They were they were obviously doing like
Speaker 2: chocolate fondue, and they only wanted the marshmallows, and you know,
Speaker 2: Emily really wanted them to have the fruit. But I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that makes me want to do chocolate
Speaker 2: fawn doing.
Speaker 1: Did you find this getting a little bit risquels?
Speaker 2: Was there some tawdry jokes there that I went over
Speaker 2: my head?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, the sure, Yeah. I didn't catch it even in
Speaker 1: the beginning in the opening.
Speaker 2: We do do we have the scripts so we can no.
Speaker 1: No, I can, I can tell you. I mean give it.
Speaker 4: I remember the stuff between Luke and Lorelai. There was
Speaker 4: some I thought were at the table.
Speaker 1: When they're going through the pictures of the ballerinas in
Speaker 1: the ballet Dancers.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, yes, that was a little bit.
Speaker 1: And then they found one guy who looked like he was,
Speaker 1: you know, right right, So they went into this whole
Speaker 1: thing and then Laurel I makes the comment I'd like
Speaker 1: that dipped in chocolate, and I was like, what is
Speaker 1: going on here? What audience they I did? I mean,
Speaker 1: I did exactly what you were doing. I covered my eyes.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's so funny because I don't have
Speaker 2: it in my notes. But then now thinking about it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wait, it was.
Speaker 1: A little it was a bit risque.
Speaker 2: Little chocolate saucy dippy did.
Speaker 1: I guess they're both in a state of openness, shalln't
Speaker 1: we say? Because they I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to put this. That would be very careful.
Speaker 2: But well, once in a while Gilmore girls does go
Speaker 2: there like that, like you, it's not once in a
Speaker 2: blue moon. They definitely. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, can I ask you, is this girl talk?
Speaker 1: Or is this is this appropriate mother daughter talk?
Speaker 2: It's girl talk. It's not mother daughter girl talk.
Speaker 1: But it's not mother daughter Was it odd that a
Speaker 1: mother and daughter were it was funny?
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think it's odd for Laura. I.
Speaker 1: I guess it's not odd for la or was it?
Speaker 2: Also like Loralai's humor sometimes goes over Emily, like her
Speaker 2: dirty stuff. I feel like she kind of thinks Emily's
Speaker 2: not getting it, but Emily probably is getting.
Speaker 1: It would never enter in Emily's mind, right, it's a
Speaker 1: bit crude.
Speaker 2: Now that it's coming back to me, I'm kind of laughing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was funny. I mean, listen again along for
Speaker 1: the ride chuckles ha ha ha. But it was like, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 2: Now. The part I didn't get was what was all
Speaker 2: the transferring from the jeep to Rory's car and backwards?
Speaker 2: Was it laundry? I didn't get that. I was like,
Speaker 2: what's happening?
Speaker 5: I thought it was for the baby.
Speaker 2: Shower, I know, but then they talked about the baby shower,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is all that?
Speaker 4: Like all the decorations. Yeah, I think it makes sense
Speaker 4: for a baby shower.
Speaker 1: But that was l she was out of her dorm.
Speaker 5: Oh is it summer almost? Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm so dumb.
Speaker 1: Thank you no, no, I I you know, Hannah gave
Speaker 1: me that one.
Speaker 2: And I will give a shout out to what I
Speaker 2: think was the Diane von Furstenberg wrap dress over sort
Speaker 2: of the tight jeans with the flair that was sort
Speaker 2: of very of the time, because remember that everyone was
Speaker 2: wearing over jeans, were like fassy dresses over jeans.
Speaker 5: That was a look or like leggings.
Speaker 2: I think it was more gene.
Speaker 5: I was more likings.
Speaker 3: How uncomfortable, miss.
Speaker 1: I did miss the sixties.
Speaker 2: In the early seventies, I definitely dresses like that over jeans.
Speaker 2: It was a whole look and actually I wish I
Speaker 2: could bring that look back, but I digres. I digress
Speaker 2: mm hmm. Like low rise, I love.
Speaker 1: Lower Stones T shirts.
Speaker 2: That's why I love Rolling Stones T shirts and low
Speaker 2: rise jeans. I'm such a fan like low rise jean.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, there's nothing I despise more. I will never
Speaker 4: purchase again in my life.
Speaker 2: Never literally.
Speaker 5: I just high high waisted jeans all the way.
Speaker 2: No, horrible, You.
Speaker 1: Don't like low rise jeans down to your hip bone? No,
Speaker 1: I didn't like that.
Speaker 2: I did like like like Paris Hilton like read No,
Speaker 2: I mean like back then with true religions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he used to wear more like.
Speaker 4: The Hollister jeans that like literally had like a zipper
Speaker 4: this big and a button like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I loved it all right, So we go into the diner. Now,
Speaker 2: what is the appropriate cost of a wheat toast plate.
Speaker 1: It's a dollar now, it's a dollar ten.
Speaker 2: That seemed very affordable. Too low, it goes up.
Speaker 5: I think for now that's normal. But I don't know
Speaker 5: about two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: What does it cost if you went to a restaurant
Speaker 2: somebody like, just look this up. So you went to
Speaker 2: Denny's and you just got toast? What does that cost?
Speaker 1: They? I guarantee you they bangive.
Speaker 2: Come on, that's what I was gonna say. Three fifty Scott,
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could be more, No, I can't be sour dough
Speaker 2: bag get could be more?
Speaker 1: Go in?
Speaker 2: Whoa? So prices have doubled in twenty years.
Speaker 1: I guess not double Lukes, right.
Speaker 2: Not that I would dare compare your diner to Dennis.
Speaker 1: But Denny's is a chain, it's a national chain. Luke's
Speaker 1: is one one place you know you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay a little more for the quality.
Speaker 2: That's sort of an interesting question. Really fast, say we
Speaker 2: were to compare Lukes to some you know, thing that exists.
Speaker 2: It's way above Denny's. I'm like, but like, do you
Speaker 2: guys know farm Shop in La I feel like it's
Speaker 2: a level below that. It's not so it's not so upscale.
Speaker 2: It's like, what would be a diner that we could
Speaker 2: go to, would be like Bob's Big Boy. No, way
Speaker 2: above that. I think that's fast food. I think it's
Speaker 2: way better than that I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, but here's the thing.
Speaker 4: It can't be a chain because Luke's is not a chain, right, So, like,
Speaker 4: the best thing I can I can relate it to
Speaker 4: is in Tara. Maybe Scott my note know this reference.
Speaker 4: But cecs in Oh yep, it's CEC's. It's a really
Speaker 4: dope brunch spot that's family owned. There's not another one
Speaker 4: of it, and it's awesome.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Luke's is he doesn't have the volume,
Speaker 1: the daily volume that requires him to skimp on quality.
Speaker 1: So if you're getting that massive volume, your costs are
Speaker 1: huge and you want to pay much less per item,
Speaker 1: and so the quality goes down just to accommodate the volume.
Speaker 1: So he doesn't have to worry about that. So everything
Speaker 1: is organic and great and fresh. He gets it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: best stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw in a name for anyone that's
Speaker 2: ever been to Lake Tahoe and say, Luke's dinner is
Speaker 2: very comparable to a fire sign. If you're from Tahoe,
Speaker 2: give me a give me a shout, because I feel
Speaker 2: like it's very like local diner. They got a lot
Speaker 2: of regulars. But then like, if you're from out of town,
Speaker 2: you go there too?
Speaker 1: Can we do an event this winter? I want to
Speaker 1: ski up there for sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, So we noticed that you haven't raised the toast
Speaker 2: prices in a really long time. And do you give
Speaker 2: a discount if you eat it dry? Which then made
Speaker 2: me want to ask you all, what do you like
Speaker 2: on your toast?
Speaker 1: No, because I think the jam and isn't the jam
Speaker 1: and all the accoutrement on the table?
Speaker 2: I would think those little packets of smuckers. Do you
Speaker 2: jam your toast? If you were going to have wheat toast,
Speaker 2: what would you put on it?
Speaker 1: Olive oil jam? I like strawberry.
Speaker 2: Jam, olive oil.
Speaker 1: I don't use butter olive oil.
Speaker 2: Olive oil and do not use butter because it's olive
Speaker 2: oil is way better for you.
Speaker 1: Just because I eat so much of it, right, so once,
Speaker 1: while I like some butter.
Speaker 4: For sure, I've never held olive oil before me either,
Speaker 4: But you guys, it's.
Speaker 5: Not with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like toast olive oil, Oh sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I have eggs and toast in the morning, I
Speaker 1: put all of I toast my rye bread and put
Speaker 1: olive oil on it. Yeah, sometimes honey on top of that.
Speaker 2: You never like a restaurant where you dip the oh honey,
Speaker 2: you never dip it into the.
Speaker 5: Olive oil for sure, of course, not like it's just
Speaker 5: I think of like butter and jam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Honey is a good call though, on an English muffin,
Speaker 2: I like butter and jam, but I might go for honey.
Speaker 4: But with a drizzle of honey, is yeah amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean you're sitting there, you're eating bland eggs, right,
Speaker 1: you can eat bland toast. You know you gotta spice
Speaker 1: it up, you gotta put some jam. True in a camp,
Speaker 1: in some kind of a prison camp somewhere, you know
Speaker 1: we're here your bland stuff, Eat it and go back
Speaker 1: to yourself. We want jam, all right.
Speaker 2: So then Laura, I walks in. There's a little kiss
Speaker 2: and they talk about the party in New York and
Speaker 2: the article. So they seem to just be really grooven
Speaker 2: and cruising.
Speaker 1: I like to til, I like to Tailor phone call.
Speaker 1: I thought it was.
Speaker 2: Yes, the phone rings and Caesar answers and it's Tailor
Speaker 2: and you can literally see him in the window. And
Speaker 2: we kind of know that you're moving forward with the
Speaker 2: Twickham house purchase, and uh, is this where we find
Speaker 2: out that there's another bidder no that comes back in? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but you've overcharged Kirk by a penny, so we're just
Speaker 2: definitely getting.
Speaker 1: I settle out a buck five because I can't stay
Speaker 1: with them anymore, right, and then has to complain on
Speaker 1: the sales tax or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So then we cut to Rory at the
Speaker 2: paper and now I'm satisfied because she's really thriving. She's
Speaker 2: in the pink top and she's got everything. She's jamming,
Speaker 2: she knows everybody where everything is. She's just firing on
Speaker 2: all cylinders, crushing the job. And we get the We
Speaker 2: get Logan and he says Ace and I like all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was all puppy dogging all over her all.
Speaker 2: Wait, I think, wait, now did we get Are we
Speaker 2: to that part where he's there in person or is
Speaker 2: this on the phone and he's talking about her sister's engagement.
Speaker 2: Somebody keep me honest, No, keep me honest. I can't now.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure I'm right now. He goes
Speaker 2: he's there, So this is where he's there. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: are right. So they're talking about the engagement party and
Speaker 2: that she's gonna have to cut out of Friday night
Speaker 2: dinner to get there, and he wants her to go,
Speaker 2: which I think is also huge.
Speaker 5: I thought it was too soon for him to ask
Speaker 5: her to get out of Friday night dinner, Like that's
Speaker 5: a full commitment and they've been dating for like what
Speaker 5: a month?
Speaker 1: Was Friday night dinner such a big deal at this point?
Speaker 1: Would well, don't you think? Don't you think Richard and
Speaker 1: Emily would understand, especially with.
Speaker 4: I think they will be thrilled if Logan Hansburger was like, hey,
Speaker 4: you got to hang out with me tonight.
Speaker 3: They would be like, go on, sweetie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but for it, I mean, is like I think no,
Speaker 5: I think they'd be totally fine with it. But like
Speaker 5: Logan's telling her, like, get out of it, I think
Speaker 5: if it was coming from Rory, I don't know. For me,
Speaker 5: I just thought of it like he's really comfortable now,
Speaker 5: like he just jumped right in. He's like, oh, just
Speaker 5: get out of it. You see them every Friday. But
Speaker 5: I would have liked it to come from Rory being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: let me just tell my grandparents.
Speaker 2: That actually didn't bother me as much as I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 2: she's going back into the fire, Like she's literally going
Speaker 2: to the engagement party with this family that ripped her
Speaker 2: to shreds. That's true, but good for her, okay, And
Speaker 2: I think good for him that he's not like, hey,
Speaker 2: you don't have to come. I know it was normal.
Speaker 4: I think she feels like she is now interning with
Speaker 4: the dad so like, and she has been doing really well,
Speaker 4: and she's been cool with a sister, so why.
Speaker 1: Not, right, like the dad giving her the job? Is
Speaker 1: the apology?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Okay, Okay?
Speaker 1: Was she going to get an apology directly from the grandpa? Medicated?
Speaker 2: Medicated?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: No, I'm feel like weirdly, even like when I'm not
Speaker 2: watching thinking about missus Huntsburger and feeling.
Speaker 1: Like he gets a phone call from the medicated mother. Hello,
Speaker 1: are you Rory? Yes? Were you here the other night
Speaker 1: and we were awful to you? Oh right, okay, I
Speaker 1: have something written down here to say we are Oh
Speaker 1: we're so sorry. Anyway, Tata, were you here the other
Speaker 1: night when we were awful to us? No idea what
Speaker 1: any of it means. She's forgotten about it. She wasn't.
Speaker 1: My gosh, she doesn't recall it at all.
Speaker 2: I just like it's subtle. But like when I was thinking,
Speaker 2: because I I know that Leanne Hunley returns, right, that's
Speaker 2: not our only time seeing her, and I just think like,
Speaker 2: oh man, wow, she did seem a little.
Speaker 1: I just I just wrote him a great scene. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm giving it away to you. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: So we do get the one question is he treating
Speaker 2: you all right? You know, which foreshadows a little bit like,
Speaker 2: uh like, just not unicorns and rainbows with that guy,
Speaker 2: Mitcham No, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's a tough he's a hard ass.
Speaker 1: He's always testing. He's testing everybody.
Speaker 4: So the thing which will yeah, you know what I'm
Speaker 4: kind of surprised about is and maybe Logan it just
Speaker 4: seems like something Logan would do, but maybe he doesn't
Speaker 4: want to cross this line, like him talking to his
Speaker 4: dad being like I like this girl, like please don't
Speaker 4: be mean to her.
Speaker 2: He's not. He would do it, but it won't work,
Speaker 2: so he doesn't bother doing it.
Speaker 3: I don't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he has the runway to say
Speaker 1: that to his dad. His dad would eat his face off.
Speaker 2: I think he talks back to the dad. I think
Speaker 2: he stands up to the dad, but he's also sort
Speaker 2: of like it won't.
Speaker 4: Leave it be Yeah, because it's interesting because right now,
Speaker 4: as we've seen me seeing it for the first time,
Speaker 4: Mitchen seems kind of chill, not chill, but he seems
Speaker 4: like he's like a cool a cool cat, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. Like, obviously I can tell, especially at
Speaker 4: the end of this episode, that is changing real quick,
Speaker 4: but at this moment, he seems like he's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 4: head guy in charge, but he's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I haven't argue he's intense.
Speaker 2: This guy, he's intense. But here's my question and I'm
Speaker 2: jumping ahead, but just let me because Danielle brought it up,
Speaker 2: so be mean to her on Instagram. Did Mitcham do
Speaker 2: the wrong thing happen the Queen? Did Mitcham? I mean,
Speaker 2: Mitchell's just giving his opinion, right, and everyone's like, and
Speaker 2: I get it. You'll learn more as we go into
Speaker 2: these next episodes, but it's like Mitchell can give his opinion,
Speaker 2: it's Rory's job to ignore him, right, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, don't take the hit. If you take
Speaker 1: the hit personally and then go away, then he's right.
Speaker 2: You know, like you must have had plenty of people
Speaker 2: probably along the way tell you, oh, you're not cut
Speaker 2: out for this business, Scott, or you're not going to
Speaker 2: be a great actor, or like even maybe after Guilmard girls,
Speaker 2: oh your career's over, or you don't know, and you
Speaker 2: just have to go Okay, thanks for sharing, but I'm
Speaker 2: just going to keep at it if that's what you
Speaker 2: choose to do, or you can also pivot if that's
Speaker 2: what you choose to do, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it made me think about like I feel
Speaker 5: like everyone at some point in our lives, like you,
Speaker 5: you had that person who was like, you're not good
Speaker 5: at this, you know, in some way, shape or form,
Speaker 5: and and she like I mean, she's valid to feel upset,
Speaker 5: for sure, but like you said, Amy, like it's his opinion,
Speaker 5: Like she can pivot and do whatever else she wants
Speaker 5: and and continue her career.
Speaker 2: People tell us every week, we're not good at this podcast,
Speaker 2: and we just we're still here.
Speaker 3: Take ourselves up, and we just keep on trucking.
Speaker 1: Being good at a podcast. It's about being ourselves exactly.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So my thing is like, and again
Speaker 2: it's sort.
Speaker 1: Of a and if you want a to Z button
Speaker 1: down in order structure, then go listen to the ninety
Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of other podcasts and be bored
Speaker 1: to death.
Speaker 2: Right totally, My thing is like this.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sleep sleep in five minutes.
Speaker 2: So my thing is like, and I know we'll continue
Speaker 2: this conversation because I do have sort of a a
Speaker 2: thing to say at the end that people will get
Speaker 2: mad at me for. But okay, so Mitcham said it. Okay,
Speaker 2: so be butt hurt for a second and then go
Speaker 2: whin your pulletzer or go when your emmy or whatever.
Speaker 3: You like, as like to prove him that, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's exactly what she did. Maybe yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't see any evidence. I don't see any evidence of
Speaker 1: what he's talking about being accurate. When she did that
Speaker 1: article and Curbs or something, you know, Doyle gave her
Speaker 1: some ridiculous assignment, and she did all of this research
Speaker 1: and impressed the hell out of him, and she got
Speaker 1: a better article and a better you know what I mean. Right,
Speaker 1: She showed capable of digging deep and getting to the facts.
Speaker 5: But I think it's I think it's his way of
Speaker 5: trying to get her out of Logan's life.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what we have just to say it. I tried.
Speaker 1: Why do you want her out of Logan's life? She's
Speaker 1: so obviously, you know.
Speaker 2: For the same reason, obviously a.
Speaker 1: Good catch, you know what I'm saying. So why would
Speaker 1: Mitcham want Rory out of Logan's life?
Speaker 2: The grandpa doesn't like her, and neither doesn't.
Speaker 1: What the grandpa says, he think he thinks is a
Speaker 1: gold digger.
Speaker 2: No, they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't think it's they.
Speaker 4: They didn't even meet her before.
Speaker 3: They didn't like her, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's not her, it's her as a waiting. Yeah, she's
Speaker 4: a history that she can't control.
Speaker 2: Rock up Gilmore or whatever.
Speaker 5: Well, I did see a comment on Instagram that actually
Speaker 5: made me think. So we were talking about how like, oh,
Speaker 5: but she's a Gilmore, like it's in her blood. But
Speaker 5: and like the way she looked at like, you know,
Speaker 5: the the house when she walked in, and they're like,
Speaker 5: we have to remember that, like she really wasn't in
Speaker 5: this world they brought up lower lie.
Speaker 1: If I was Mitch, I would say this is the
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. She wasn't raised to have her
Speaker 1: head up her own urse, right, Yeah, she still has
Speaker 1: the buzz, but.
Speaker 2: I think they don't think the Gilmour's. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: is like, Okay, so if we're talking levels, right, Huntsburgers
Speaker 2: are even higher up. They're Rockefeller, they're Rothschild.
Speaker 1: No, they're not that level. Stop no OANs No, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think you're wrong.
Speaker 1: He's not. He's not. No, he's not one of the
Speaker 1: great families of the United States, the wealthiest families in
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 2: He's not the fine So then he has thirteen newspapers,
Speaker 2: but he's above Gilmore in his mind.
Speaker 3: He's Richard's not even.
Speaker 1: An owner of that insurance agency, that insurance That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying Huntsburgers are above, Yeah, but they're not
Speaker 2: roth Child mind. Come on, okay, fine, bad choice of
Speaker 2: what's the guy?
Speaker 1: I'm saying a couple hundred million not not billions. There
Speaker 1: are a hundred millionaires maybe net worth, but I don't what's.
Speaker 2: The guy that owns Fox?
Speaker 1: What's that guy's names? Got some influence? Sure? Do you?
Speaker 1: So you think he's on a Murdoch level huns Burger.
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're supposed to think. I think
Speaker 2: we're supposed to think he's something above.
Speaker 1: You know what bothers me is that we've never seen
Speaker 1: mitcham Huntsberger's office. Now, if they established this guy in
Speaker 1: an office and he's a super powerful guy with this
Speaker 1: unbelievable office, then you could get a sense of where
Speaker 1: he stands in a food chain. But we haven't seen
Speaker 1: that yet.
Speaker 5: Well, from this episode, when he said his times all
Speaker 5: most done at the paper, it made me think that
Speaker 5: he just goes from paper to paper and consults like that.
Speaker 5: That was my takeaway. Don't know anyone else, yeh, that's
Speaker 5: what he does. Like, yeah, he just like I didn't
Speaker 5: think he has an office. He just travels a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh No, he's got to have an office.
Speaker 2: No, I get it. He's got a total like, right,
Speaker 2: he's got a whole Huntsburger building, but he's just at
Speaker 2: this paper because they just took over this paper, right,
Speaker 2: So he's just in there kind of Oh, I just
Speaker 2: bought this, so now I need to They want to.
Speaker 1: Show us how powerful this family is, then they need
Speaker 1: to take us into an office building and take us
Speaker 1: into Mitchem Huntsberger's office and see him operate, you know,
Speaker 1: from his office, because those are impressive offices, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I think I don't know, Like I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of left for interpretation, but I still do
Speaker 2: get the vibe, Like, I don't know, he's above her,
Speaker 2: he's above the Gilmour's.
Speaker 1: Or whatever he is. He's an owner, he owns Richard
Speaker 1: doesn't own the insurance company.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. That's what he was a.
Speaker 1: Glorified VP.
Speaker 2: And Richard came from money too, but then I think
Speaker 2: he made all his own too. So I just think
Speaker 2: the Huntsburgers consider themselves not Logan. Logan doesn't think this way.
Speaker 2: But I think the Huntsburgers, the Grandpa and mitcham and
Speaker 2: maybe you know, others missus Hunsburger obviously that they're.
Speaker 1: Above the Sure, yeah they are.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I digress. I'll get to my bomb drop
Speaker 2: at the end of this episode. But they have more power, yeah,
Speaker 2: and more money, and they just.
Speaker 1: Kill their media influencers, you know.
Speaker 2: Because remember he says they not he either the grandpa
Speaker 2: or the grandpa says, this has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: your mother. They acknowledge at that dinner, like, this isn't
Speaker 2: because your mother had you at sixteen and went to
Speaker 2: Stars Hollow. This is like, you're not of the caliber
Speaker 2: that we want for.
Speaker 1: This exactly what he's saying. This is crazy and.
Speaker 2: That's Oh see, I agree that it's not because of LOURAI.
Speaker 2: I think it's they don't consider the Gilmour's up to
Speaker 2: their level.
Speaker 5: That's how I thought of it too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on Scott's page.
Speaker 4: I think it all has to do with the fact
Speaker 4: that she wasn't bred as a baby to follow the
Speaker 4: Gilmour way.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think if Laura l I had grown up
Speaker 1: in the traditional way and they'd gotten to nowhere at
Speaker 1: the country club, and it would have been fine, right,
Speaker 1: it would have been fine, would have been appropriate that
Speaker 1: her daughter was dating their son, and it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been it would not have been an embarrassment.
Speaker 2: I disagree, respectfully disagree. So now we get to the
Speaker 2: thing that.
Speaker 1: Really we're going to still do that ski thing for sure?
Speaker 2: Of course? Yeah, I mean we'll disagree.
Speaker 1: I don't want to extremely powerful compared to me. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like a Gilmore.
Speaker 5: Oh God, I don't so.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now we switched to the limo and we see
Speaker 2: Lorlai and Luke in the limo getting onto the Hudson Parkway.
Speaker 2: They've just come from the party. Clearly they didn't need
Speaker 2: anything because they're definitely tipsy and they're getting along quite well.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're getting that scene for reasons to come.
Speaker 2: But what did you think of them in the limo
Speaker 2: and you're rubbing her leg? Did you notice that?
Speaker 1: It's a very special scene for me because it encapsulated
Speaker 1: how I feel about Lauren and how I feel about
Speaker 1: that relationship, the Luca Laureley relationship. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: share something. I don't know if she would want me
Speaker 1: to share this, but it's a you know, her mother
Speaker 1: had had just passed away, her biological mother had just
Speaker 1: passed away, and nobody, and she was so strong and
Speaker 1: such a pro about it, and she knew she had
Speaker 1: to film this very intimate scene with me, and I
Speaker 1: just really wanted to take care of her in that scene,
Speaker 1: which is you know, I mean, I've done it before
Speaker 1: in other scenes, but I especially felt so empathy, such
Speaker 1: empathy for her going through that and then still having
Speaker 1: to soul drawn and stick to a schedule and you know,
Speaker 1: be in a scene. And it was a fun scene, right,
Speaker 1: definitely a fun scene. She didn't have to carry the scene,
Speaker 1: and she was as bubbly and as wonderful as she
Speaker 1: always is. So for me that I mean, I just
Speaker 1: fell deeper in love with her, you know, as a friend,
Speaker 1: because of the strength that she was showing through that
Speaker 1: entire day in production, having just found out that, you know,
Speaker 1: horrible information. And look, I apologize if if this is
Speaker 1: too much information. I apologize to her if she doesn't
Speaker 1: want that out, But I just I just want to
Speaker 1: say how much respect I have for her ability to
Speaker 1: just sort of just soldier on, you know, like the
Speaker 1: show must go on. I will deal with this in
Speaker 1: my own way, and very special scene for me, it's
Speaker 1: one of my it's actually my one of my favorite
Speaker 1: scenes that I've ever done with her, just because of
Speaker 1: the strength and the professionalism that she showed throughout that
Speaker 1: entire scene, and that you know, it was a limos scene,
Speaker 1: so it was like, you know, it was it didn't
Speaker 1: take forever to do the scene, but you know it
Speaker 1: took a couple hours, right, three or four hours? Three hours? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a sweet scene. You really think that
Speaker 2: there you two are a couple. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I totally just the whole interaction and then the physicality
Speaker 2: of it because I didn't even at first notice, but
Speaker 2: you're like rubbing her leg and it's just the body
Speaker 2: language and the way you are. You're like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that's why I think people love you guys as a couple,
Speaker 2: meaning it endures decades and decades and you're still like
Speaker 2: one of the favorite couples from television is because it
Speaker 2: so real.
Speaker 1: From the moment I met her in Toronto, I just
Speaker 1: I just I really wanted to just take care of her.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just I had this there's this instinct
Speaker 1: you have with people and what's the vibe about? And
Speaker 1: it's just that I just really liked her and I
Speaker 1: thought she was really charming and funny and all of
Speaker 1: that great stuff that you need to make good you know,
Speaker 1: to make good scenes with. And it was always just
Speaker 1: a very you know, just just just a very warm,
Speaker 1: very protect almost protective kind of a feeling I have
Speaker 1: for her and for her through that entire process. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that's so cool. Yeah, but I I that's why I uh.
Speaker 1: To me, that scene ranks right up there with the
Speaker 1: first time we see them together in Luke Steiner and
Speaker 1: you know, I need coffee. You said, you're an attic.
Speaker 2: That right, That's so sweet. That's so cool.
Speaker 1: So hats off to her for being such a pro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a great scene. You'd never know because
Speaker 2: she seems it's such a great scene. And then we
Speaker 2: follow it up with this sort of even better scene.
Speaker 2: But I was okay, So you then cut to you
Speaker 2: guys are in the bed upside down, which I was like,
Speaker 2: it's happening and the clothes are everywhere. Now, I at first,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: The outside down thing was meant. It was meant to
Speaker 1: show you that it was a really.
Speaker 2: Wild night, right, what drunkie wild?
Speaker 1: Right? It got primal, right, like she stated, as long
Speaker 1: as we like the risk episodes X ray.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Now. I was confused, and maybe it was just
Speaker 2: me why she was so freaked out when she left.
Speaker 2: I did not get that. I did not get it
Speaker 2: at first, did you guys?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because of the articles coming up.
Speaker 2: No, it's because she realizes you didn't have safe set.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, So she was so freaked out and
Speaker 2: weirded out, and I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: She saw all the clothes thrown down in the primal nature.
Speaker 4: Of what yeah, and she acted as if it was
Speaker 4: like a one night stand there.
Speaker 3: I was just like, right, right, what woke?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an every night stand, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And we'll get to this eventually. But I have some
Speaker 4: thoughts about that, like, in particular, well.
Speaker 2: Should we talk about should we talk about it now or.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm like, what so, because there's a few scenes
Speaker 4: that like lead up to what I want to talk
Speaker 4: about it?
Speaker 2: Right, so we'll keep going Because I was very much like,
Speaker 2: what is going on? Why is she so weird it out?
Speaker 2: And then when we find out, I'm like, she's not sixteen,
Speaker 2: Like she knows what she's doing. So then I was
Speaker 2: like she's not on the pill, Like are they trying
Speaker 2: some methods that are a little dicey? Like anyway, we'll
Speaker 2: get to that. So okay, So then we see Rory
Speaker 2: with the bags and she's gotten the decorations from doceies
Speaker 2: and Laura lies kind of mad because the decorations sort
Speaker 2: of suck, but whatever, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: it's happening and Suki comes out of the house and
Speaker 2: is basically going into labor, and it was kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Rory's like, I can't watch this is did anyone like you? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was weird because it's like, I never
Speaker 2: knew Rory to be freaked out by like birth, and
Speaker 2: like it's not like the baby's coming out at that moment,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 5: Like the second kid, Like Suki already has a kid.
Speaker 5: We've been through this.
Speaker 1: You know why I think they did that. And that's interesting,
Speaker 1: Tara that you bring that up, because I watched the episode.
Speaker 1: Now I remember Rory being kind of weirdly grossed out
Speaker 1: by anything having to do with birth, and I think
Speaker 1: now I know why they did it, because I think
Speaker 1: it was a very odd choice overall thematically, that laurel
Speaker 1: ized character would have to be so concerned about getting
Speaker 1: pregnant with Luke Luke's child in the first place. Why
Speaker 1: is that a problem for Laurel. I so if you have,
Speaker 1: because it just seems odd. It's a love story. They're together,
Speaker 1: they've destined to be together. And now she has some
Speaker 1: dialogue that says, well, I just you know, I just
Speaker 1: got rid of you, Rory, and I'm having enjoying my
Speaker 1: first moments as a free woman. I understand that. I
Speaker 1: get that, But you're talking about, you know, the seminal relationship,
Speaker 1: your life with a man, and it's working out, and
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to ruin it with a baby. What's
Speaker 1: she talking about? I mean, it just it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: just to track. So I think they do the Rory
Speaker 1: gross out stuff to make her, you know, anti Luke
Speaker 1: baby stuff seem kind of reasonable, not such a stretch.
Speaker 2: Maybe the only reason I think it was somewhat tracking.
Speaker 2: And I'll give that it's been a it took a
Speaker 2: big left turn a couple an episode or two ago.
Speaker 2: When she's you know, Richard says, the guy's coming that
Speaker 2: wants to buy the inn, and he may want to
Speaker 2: you know, bring you on as a consultant and you'll
Speaker 2: travel the world. And as we talked about we got
Speaker 2: kind of intense about it because I've always said there
Speaker 2: is a life that she doesn't live, meaning she never
Speaker 2: wants the Gilmour life. She doesn't want that, and she
Speaker 2: loved her Stars Hollow life, but it's that middle life.
Speaker 2: And we kind of talked about this that seems intriguing
Speaker 2: to her. And I think she's panicking because a baby
Speaker 2: prevents that choice. She doesn't get to travel, she wouldn't
Speaker 2: get to travel. I don't think it's about Luke. I
Speaker 2: think she's a very admitted.
Speaker 1: It's a big it's a big decision. I agree that's
Speaker 1: a big life changing decision. It is.
Speaker 2: And she's been raising a kid for sixteen eighteen years,
Speaker 2: sorry not sixteen, pardon me, eighteen nineteen, almost twenty one
Speaker 2: years now, but it has to start all over again.
Speaker 1: Is this really the writers taking a position on how
Speaker 1: they feel about children having children, because it's not. You know,
Speaker 1: they're sort of sucking everybody in to believe that this
Speaker 1: is the magical, you know, confluence relationship of the universe
Speaker 1: happening in Stars Hollow between these two you know, these
Speaker 1: this Romeo and Julia type of situation, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, and then it comes time to consume
Speaker 1: and perhaps a baby on the way, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: create joy in her. It creates trepidation, fear, and anxiety
Speaker 1: that's not consistent.
Speaker 2: And I think it's only not consistent because she's got
Speaker 2: this potential opportunity to have an experience she hasn't had. Right,
Speaker 2: like she loved she obviously made the choice to have
Speaker 2: Rory and raise her and leave home and build this
Speaker 2: life and stars hollow. But now she's launched Rory, right,
Speaker 2: She's fully got her launched essentially, so now she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's me time now and I can think about
Speaker 2: traveling or doing all these things with my work or
Speaker 2: that I'm passionate about why she's.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, now I get that, But why is she
Speaker 1: wasting Luke's time if she's not all in?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think she is all in in the relationship.
Speaker 1: She knows that that guy is s'sham house because he
Speaker 1: wants to have he wants to fill it with children.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know that. She just thinks.
Speaker 1: He's carrying around a horoscope and as wallet, you're the
Speaker 1: one eight years. I suffered three years. You dated all
Speaker 1: the bumps her and with her.
Speaker 2: That's her?
Speaker 1: What do you mean that's her? That's that's he. She
Speaker 1: knows how he feels.
Speaker 2: About her, yes, but she doesn't know that he wants kids.
Speaker 1: Oh, for God's sake, of course she doesn't.
Speaker 3: He never talked it.
Speaker 2: They've never talked about it.
Speaker 1: Gosh, guys, come.
Speaker 3: On, I'm on your page, Scott.
Speaker 1: She's wasting guy's time at this point, that reveals she's
Speaker 1: wasting his time. I don't that's like a guy conveniently
Speaker 1: being in a relationship with a girl who's obsessed with him,
Speaker 1: and she's just wasting his time because she doesn't really
Speaker 1: want He doesn't really want to have kids with her.
Speaker 1: He already had a.
Speaker 2: C I don't think it's necessarily occurred to her how
Speaker 2: serious Luke is about a family. I do not think
Speaker 2: she knows that.
Speaker 1: If she's, if she hasn't made inferences, drawn inferences from
Speaker 1: his behavior and the type of guy he is and
Speaker 1: she stupid and she's not.
Speaker 2: They've they've touched on it a couple times, right, There's
Speaker 2: been a couple moments where they it was subliminal or
Speaker 2: even a little bit more than subliminal. But they've never
Speaker 2: really like sat down and said, are we going to
Speaker 2: have kids? And she's only what thirty two? How old
Speaker 2: is she now? She's like two, No, no, she's thirty five,
Speaker 2: thirty six. Yeah, I guess you're right that they the
Speaker 2: clock is ticken.
Speaker 4: But what I was gonna say earlier is there's obviously
Speaker 4: a divide that's going to be happening soon, like because
Speaker 4: as you as we can all tell, Luke is all
Speaker 4: all one hundred percent in like fully invested, wants to
Speaker 4: buy this house. It's pretty clear that he wants to
Speaker 4: like have a family. However that whatever that looks like
Speaker 4: to them, he wants to have a family and start
Speaker 4: building something more with Lorli. But then you see Laura Lai,
Speaker 4: who is very freaked out about the thought of even
Speaker 4: being pregnant. And I thought that her conversation with Rory
Speaker 4: was very enlightening because Rory was like, it's Luke, this
Speaker 4: is a good thing, right, And she couldn't even be like,
Speaker 4: you know what, yeah, you're right, this is a good thing. Like,
Speaker 4: So it just made me, it just made me like
Speaker 4: backtrack a little bit and be like, does Laura I
Speaker 4: really want this. I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's having a good time. Obviously they have a good chemistry.
Speaker 1: She's maybe she's just biting her time. Who knows. But
Speaker 1: it was an odd reaction, odd reaction in the face
Speaker 1: of somebody, like a loop dance.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because.
Speaker 1: I just think that guy puts his cards on the table.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know where you're stand through.
Speaker 4: But even if you're like, why isn't he putting the
Speaker 4: Twickham house on the table? That's the only thing I'm
Speaker 4: still not understanding.
Speaker 1: Talk because he doesn't because he wants to surprise her.
Speaker 1: It's the big romantic move, it's the big imagine. He's
Speaker 1: taking a big risk. It's a big risk. It's a
Speaker 1: huge risk. But he's at I guess at this point
Speaker 1: he's a bit delusional. Isn't he thinking that this woman
Speaker 1: is in love with him?
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 1: I mean, he's crazy about her. He finally got the
Speaker 1: dream woman, finally. I don't know that he's and he's
Speaker 1: We've already seen this in a couple of scenes where
Speaker 1: he realizes that he's just sort of not up to snuff,
Speaker 1: up to Gilmore standards, and he's willing to just continue
Speaker 1: to bludget, go through this gauntlet, this sort of Gilmore gauntlet,
Speaker 1: and just deny. And he's living in a state of
Speaker 1: denial basically, isn't he. And he's not going to discuss
Speaker 1: it with her out of out of this romantic ideal
Speaker 1: that he has, you know, that is his north star.
Speaker 1: Get the house, marry me, you know, this kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and let's have children in boom. It's all going to
Speaker 1: happen for him. That's his path for his life. This
Speaker 1: is what he wants. He has no doubt, and he's
Speaker 1: just barking up the wrong tree. I guess I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's complicated, right, it's complicated because I think
Speaker 2: about it too, like, and I don't want to speak
Speaker 2: for all women. I can only speak for some women,
Speaker 2: I guess, But like, think about this, you're no, just go.
Speaker 1: Ahead and speak for all of them.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, speak for all of them. So you've just
Speaker 2: launched your kid off to Yale. Right, they're in their
Speaker 2: sophomore year, Sorr. I think I said freshman earlier, but
Speaker 2: I meant sophomore. So you are in this relationship, but
Speaker 2: it's not it's it's a newer relationship, even though you've
Speaker 2: known the person forever, right, because it's they're not even
Speaker 2: like at their year right yet. I can't remember when
Speaker 2: the kiss was, but we're coming up on maybe that,
Speaker 2: and suddenly you're pregnant. I think any woman would be
Speaker 2: freaked out. I think just anyone would be freaked out.
Speaker 1: She loves not if she loved the.
Speaker 2: Guy, Danielle, when she really.
Speaker 1: Loved the guy, if he was the be all and
Speaker 1: end all, and she loved him and really appreciated what
Speaker 1: he has been to her and her daughter.
Speaker 2: And she'll say, Danielle and her husband, he's not good
Speaker 2: enough for her. No, I don't think so, Danielle.
Speaker 1: Maybe she just maybe she's just too insecure to be
Speaker 1: with somebody that is that solid.
Speaker 2: Possibly that's you're more accurate.
Speaker 1: There, But she probably wants to sabotage your own life
Speaker 1: again and keep sabotaging relationships because that's what she's used to.
Speaker 2: That's probably correct, Scott. But Danielle, when you found out
Speaker 2: you were pregnant, even though you're married and you were
Speaker 2: like planning this, were you freaked out?
Speaker 4: I wasn't freaked out, to be honest, No, I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I was just like, WHOA Okay.
Speaker 3: Let's do this.
Speaker 4: But I think it I think it's all relative. To
Speaker 4: be completely honest with you, I think it depends where
Speaker 4: you are in your life. Like my husband that I've
Speaker 4: been with for the last eleven years of my life,
Speaker 4: if I found out year one into dating him that
Speaker 4: I was pregnant right at twenty three years old, I'd
Speaker 4: be like, Okay, this is not cool.
Speaker 3: But you know, like if if I was dating.
Speaker 4: Him now in my mid thirties, I'd be like, Okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 4: I want to spend the rest of my life with this.
Speaker 3: With this guy.
Speaker 4: This isn't the worst thing in the world, But it
Speaker 4: all depends. It all depends on your relationship and where
Speaker 4: you're at.
Speaker 2: Because maybe I'm an idiot, but I do have some
Speaker 2: sympathy for Loralai being a bit wigged out because she's
Speaker 2: just not this is not the vision she's got for
Speaker 2: herself right now.
Speaker 1: I think she needs this, right I think she needs
Speaker 1: some control.
Speaker 2: She's definitely intrigued by this prospect of someone coming in
Speaker 2: and buying the in and finally, for once she's got
Speaker 2: financial security and then she's going to have this job
Speaker 2: where she travels all over the world to ends and
Speaker 2: consulting with him. There's something that's like, she's very interested
Speaker 2: in that. I don't know, so I digress. We move on.
Speaker 1: Too, well, and that's what she'll have and she won't
Speaker 1: have this guy. Well, she's not gonna she's not gonna
Speaker 1: get both. You think he's gonna wait around while she
Speaker 1: rejects the Twickham House and says, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: to have a baby, and I'm going to go travel
Speaker 1: the world and do this thing and take this money.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to completely change the whole dynamic
Speaker 1: of the relationship. I mean, what's he supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Hard for me to answer that totally know what happens, Danielle,
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 3: Say Thatikin Scott?
Speaker 1: What that He's just gonna sit back and, you know,
Speaker 1: be that guy on the sideline and where she goes
Speaker 1: off and sells the inn and starts traveling and does
Speaker 1: a travel show and becomes a big celebrity or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's just gonna sit around and flip his pancakes and
Speaker 1: wait for her to come back. His whole life is like, well,
Speaker 1: she's in Paris. I'm sure she's having a great time. Anyway, Kirk,
Speaker 1: let me get into another argue, stupid argument about you
Speaker 1: with one cent raise on the price a toast. You know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's like his life compared to what hers
Speaker 1: would become. I mean, come on, that would end the relationship.
Speaker 2: Danielle and Scott. I have respect for somebody in loralized
Speaker 2: position that's like, you know what, I don't want another baby.
Speaker 2: I want to do It doesn't It doesn't lessen the
Speaker 2: love she has for Luke. If she doesn't want another baby,
Speaker 2: I agree, in my opinion.
Speaker 4: I agree, it's just they aren't on the same page, correct,
Speaker 4: But they could.
Speaker 2: They might be able to get on the same page
Speaker 2: even if they're not on the same page. And I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. It might mean she doesn't
Speaker 2: want to have another baby right now. It might mean
Speaker 2: she never wants to have another baby. It might mean
Speaker 2: Luke might have thought of children but wants the relationship
Speaker 2: with her more. I don't know what it is that's
Speaker 2: for them to figure out.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, guys question. You think Luke would
Speaker 1: stand in front of a bullet.
Speaker 2: For I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he'd surrender his life for those two, wouldn't he.
Speaker 1: I do you think maybe he deserves a baby.
Speaker 2: I just don't think it works like that.
Speaker 1: I agree it works, it doesn't work like that, but
Speaker 1: in Luke's brain it does work like that. That's what
Speaker 1: you're not getting.
Speaker 2: No, Because here's why I think he loves her. He
Speaker 2: might have had this vision right of the Twickham House
Speaker 2: and you know, two kids, a boy and a girl.
Speaker 2: You know, this life with Laura I blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But I think he would adjust that vision that he
Speaker 2: has because what he really wants is her. And I
Speaker 2: believe that at the end of the day, like he's like,
Speaker 2: you know what I want is work a minute.
Speaker 1: When you truly love a woman, you want top procreate
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 2: That's not true. Nope.
Speaker 5: I think there are a lot of people who don't
Speaker 5: want kids though.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean even Eastern our engineer, fully in love with
Speaker 4: his wife, been together for a long time, they don't
Speaker 4: want kids.
Speaker 5: I have a friend who's been in a relationship for
Speaker 5: like six years and they're madly in love, want to
Speaker 5: get married, but they don't want kids and on the
Speaker 5: same page.
Speaker 4: But I do think it's important to be on the
Speaker 4: same page something. And I think that's the disconnect with
Speaker 4: Luke and Lorlai, right, now.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Some people want to have kids, have
Speaker 2: a family, do that more than anything, so they have
Speaker 2: to find somebody that's on the same page as them. Now,
Speaker 2: there are also times when somebody wants to have kids, right,
Speaker 2: but then they fall in love with somebody who doesn't
Speaker 2: want to have kids, and they may decide I like
Speaker 2: Big and Carrie. Big and Carrie perfect example, they thought
Speaker 2: about having kids, they decided not to. And even if
Speaker 2: either of them sort of to do, they made that decision.
Speaker 2: And I think that can happen too, where somebody is
Speaker 2: with somebody and if one doesn't want kids and the
Speaker 2: other one does, sometimes it doesn't ruin the relationship. They
Speaker 2: just change what they want.
Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, I guess it's it's it's different.
Speaker 2: I think for you, you wanted kids so much.
Speaker 1: Oh, I want to children from the time I was twenty.
Speaker 2: Right, And there's a lot of people like you. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of people like you, and so for those
Speaker 2: people it does seem a little foreign when someone doesn't
Speaker 2: want kids. And Lorla has a kid, so that's the
Speaker 2: other thing. She's done it and now she's just like
Speaker 2: I'm on to chapter two, and I don't know exactly
Speaker 2: what that holds, but I don't know that she's right
Speaker 2: now ready to have another kid.
Speaker 1: So February of twenty twenty four, Lake Tahoe, the ski
Speaker 1: event at four I am all in dual slalom race
Speaker 1: will be taking place. You're you're you're right that there
Speaker 1: are plenty of people that that are in love and
Speaker 1: they don't want to have kids, and they have their
Speaker 1: reasons for that. I suppose you're right. I just just
Speaker 1: in this circumstance though, in this magical circumstance between these
Speaker 1: two star crossed unlikely lovers, she doesn't want to have
Speaker 1: a kid with them. For me, it's I get it
Speaker 1: because it doesn't track storytelling wise.
Speaker 2: It weakens seeing wise. I disagree. Again, I disagree, but
Speaker 2: here's why, because I'm coming from a place where I
Speaker 2: am Loreli right, I want to be Loreli. I don't
Speaker 2: have kids. So I get her positioning where you're coming
Speaker 2: from a place of being you, even though you also
Speaker 2: portrayed Luke, where you are so passionate and love having
Speaker 2: a face family so much that you're putting that into
Speaker 2: Luke too. Because that's what we do with Gilmore girls,
Speaker 2: we put our own perspective and our own feelings into it.
Speaker 2: And I see that, I see your perspective, and I
Speaker 2: think you might be right that Luke wants that so badly.
Speaker 2: Also because you I also see clearly why Lorelai was
Speaker 2: freaked out and sort of happy to not be pregnant,
Speaker 2: because that's my perspective in it.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that she still loves Luke intensely without
Speaker 1: needing to have a child with.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. He's the love of her life. He
Speaker 2: is he is the love of her life.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's all how you define love. I
Speaker 1: think people have different definitions what love for them means.
Speaker 1: For me, it always makes we make little versions of ourselves.
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate expression of love for me. It doesn't,
Speaker 1: I think, have to for everybody else.
Speaker 2: And I also think that that's totally accurate what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I think that that is everybody and for But I
Speaker 2: also but I, even coming from another place, can see
Speaker 2: that as a version and get it. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that totally is true, but then so is this version.
Speaker 2: They're both two things can be true even if they
Speaker 2: seem totally opposite.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's like I get it. I think
Speaker 2: Carrie and Big have had a true love, just like
Speaker 2: Luke and Loralai or just like Ross and Rachel. I mean,
Speaker 2: we could name all these characters right, each one sort
Speaker 2: of being a different incarnation. But love can be so
Speaker 2: many different things.
Speaker 1: What's your ski boot size?
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, which I will We will
Speaker 2: do that, Danielle. I would love your quick prediction. And
Speaker 2: we still have more talk about on what you see
Speaker 2: for Rory, just because I'm so curious and I'll keep
Speaker 2: my mouth shut.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, at the end of this episode, I take
Speaker 4: it that they get arrested. That's my what I think happens. Okay,
Speaker 4: So with that deying, Just with that being said, I
Speaker 4: think that Logan takes the fault for it, even though
Speaker 4: it's Rory's fault, and the Gilmours get really upset about
Speaker 4: that and kind of like, why is this man getting
Speaker 4: you in trouble? And then I think the Huntsburgers are like,
Speaker 4: why are you Why is this girl making you get
Speaker 4: into more trouble? You know, like that kind of thing,
Speaker 4: and I think the family start to divide the two
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 2: That's what I start to see an interesting.
Speaker 3: I want to know if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 2: This is so okay, So we've got more to talk about,
Speaker 2: but I do have to give a quick shout out
Speaker 2: to the color orange. Did anyone notice that Loralai was
Speaker 2: wearing a massive amount of orange in this episode? And
Speaker 2: I like it that the dress was orange. And then now
Speaker 2: as Suki's having the baby, she's wearing the orange white
Speaker 2: blazer with the orange piping, with an orange shirt. And
Speaker 2: then when we go back to the Gilmore, she's wearing
Speaker 2: an orange sweater again.
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