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Speaker 1: great day. The Doug Gottlieb Show broadcast, same bad time,

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Speaker 1: same bat channel, every single stinking day. Sorry, and we're

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Speaker 1: fired at what an amazing time of year. What an

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Speaker 1: amazing time of year. Lots of firings or retirings you

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Speaker 1: might have heard from Dan Byer, like probably the least

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Speaker 1: discussed retirement firing. Whatever's Mike Schilt. I don't believe for

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Speaker 1: one second that he, by the way retired today. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: I mean listen.

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Speaker 2: I want to get to Brian Callahan, I want to

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Speaker 2: get to James Franklin.

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Speaker 1: But I mean listen. I reserve the right to be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I reserve the right to be wrong. If he wants

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Speaker 1: to spend more time with his family, baseball does not

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Speaker 1: really allow that. If he has something an illness or

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Speaker 1: older like a parent who's sick, you want to spend

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Speaker 1: I can't really argue with that, but dude, what fifty

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Speaker 1: seven years old and he manages in San Diego and

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Speaker 1: they by all accounts, most people think they've underachieved in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs the past two years. I would take the

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Speaker 1: A got to the playoffs the past two years, but consider

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Speaker 1: how much money they spent, the swagger they played with,

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Speaker 1: And then you know this year they get beat by

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, don't even get to face the Dodgers. I

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Speaker 1: think there was that was a that was the mutual

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Speaker 1: party of ways. And then you have Brian Callahan who's

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Speaker 1: fired by the Titans. That one's a case of two

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Speaker 1: things right, and it happens all the time when we

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Speaker 1: have these first round draft pick quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Now. I don't know if Callahan knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 1: I do know that they weren't particularly competitive for the

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Speaker 1: most part this season. I think the crazy part about

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, you draft a rookie, you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna be great. But they did just beat the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: last week, but shut out by the Texans, smoked by

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Speaker 1: the Colts, beaten badly by the Rams. You know, Rams

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Speaker 1: and Colts at home. I think we knew where this

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Speaker 1: one was going. And the general manager that hired him

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Speaker 1: no longer works for the team. So when you don't

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Speaker 1: have somebody to have your back, when you're going through

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Speaker 1: a really hard season and you got a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: this is what happens.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Here we are six games in an NFL season and

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Speaker 2: Do I think they're making the playoffs? I don't.

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Speaker 1: But they still have the Saints at home, They still

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Speaker 1: have the Jags at home. They still have the Texans

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Speaker 1: They got to go to the Niners, not for a while,

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Speaker 1: There's some potential wins on that schedule. The juxtaposition of

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Speaker 1: more coaching firings over the weekend, most notably James Franklin

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Speaker 1: You draft a rookie quarterback and the expectations are that

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Speaker 1: how do they go. I don't know if that's what

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Speaker 1: That's what happens with a lot of places. James Franklin

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Speaker 2: But that's where we are with college sports.

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Speaker 1: This is why I say college sports it's not professional sports.

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Speaker 1: It's amateur hour for professional sports, amateur hour for professional sports.

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Speaker 1: Because what did Penn State actually do by firing their

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Speaker 1: They waved the white flag on the season and said

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Speaker 1: this thing's over now. They did just pass a new

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Speaker 1: rule where in the with the NCAA where you can't

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Speaker 2: A year and a half ago, or not even a

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Speaker 1: Players automatically get the first thirty days in the portal,

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Speaker 1: whether the portals open or not open, right, And that's

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Speaker 1: rule where now it's fifteen days of free open portaling,

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Speaker 1: but only after the new coach is hired. Here's the

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Speaker 1: And if the NCAA holds it up, they're like, you

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Speaker 1: can't pass a rule, you know mid season when other

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Speaker 1: players have been able to go into the portal after

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Speaker 1: their coach is fired. That won't stand up in court.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows it. The point is, you've just led a

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Speaker 1: feel good. But have you seen what's happened to my

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Speaker 1: about with Okloba State football is a bunch of kids

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's what the football games have become. Next weekend's homecoming.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna go to that?

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Speaker 2: Who's gonna go to it?

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Speaker 1: When three of your top players have put themselves in

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Speaker 2: The players all know they won't be there next year.

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Speaker 2: The coaches all know they won't be there next year.

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Speaker 2: Like for a week, it's kind of fun, right. If

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Speaker 1: Week of the season, the interim coach can, Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: and it's very unlikely, very unlikely that that season will flip.

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Speaker 2: But there is still the idea of you can flip it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe get in the playoffs. Probably not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe makes a little bit more sense because he got

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Speaker 1: a different gentlemenature. But the players can't leave. All the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, all the players are gone at UCLA, even

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Speaker 1: though they're winning. You have wit on the student athlete,

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Speaker 1: And don't tell me that the student athlete experience is

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Speaker 1: important to you when you fire their head coach six

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Speaker 1: games in the season, right, they still got to go

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Speaker 2: To go Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Indiana comes in, who looks like world beaters that rank

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Speaker 1: at home. I asked a crazy hard schedule. What was

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Speaker 1: the win in firing James Franklin today?

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 1: You didn't get ahead of anybody trying to hire Matt ruhle. Right,

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Speaker 1: all you did was you you showed your hand to Nebraska,

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Speaker 2: We can keep our coach. If we want to keep

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Speaker 2: our coach. He's at Penn State. Alum is the Ada

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Speaker 1: So the juxtaposition of two different firings, one in the

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Speaker 2: He did a good job there. But he has him

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Speaker 1: And I know everybody likes to point out that James

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Speaker 1: Franklin doesn't beat ranked teams, But James Franklin's Penn State

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Speaker 1: Nadaney Lions. They won two games in the playoffs last year,

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Speaker 1: did they not? Those are big games. Who cares about

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Speaker 1: the number of the rankings next to you? So you're

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Speaker 1: allowed to pay a guy forty nine million dollars, not coach.

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Speaker 1: You're allowed to fire a guy whenever you want, as

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Speaker 1: long as you pay him that money. And you treat

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Speaker 1: You've lit a match, and you've done so six games

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Speaker 1: into a season. Yes, they fire coaches in the NFL

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Speaker 1: not as often, and the players can't leave, and they

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Speaker 1: It's a completely different deal. Please stop telling me this

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Speaker 1: they're four and two. You don't fire him, So you

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Speaker 1: fire him over one loss. Again, you can fire him

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Speaker 2: It's fine.

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Speaker 1: He gets forty nine million dollars. Everybody has to move.

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Speaker 1: You started a program. Why in the middle of the season.

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Speaker 1: How does that make sense. Nobody's explained that to me,

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Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. Matt, I got a lot

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Speaker 1: Bush Push. But but help me out, where are you

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Speaker 1: on where we've turned the corner here in college football?

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Speaker 1: Coaches getting fired UCLA three games in Milma, Mattern three

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Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I mean listen, it's there's so many there's

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Speaker 3: so many moving parts in college football, right in college

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not as worried about. Offensively, our offense is

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Speaker 3: beast than what we just saw. Also on the road,

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Speaker 3: so to answer your question, I don't know, like that

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Speaker 3: that's the challenge, Like I value that win versus Michigan

436
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Speaker 3: is one of the biggest wins probably for this program.

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Speaker 3: Definitely the biggest win for Lincoln Riley. There's no doubt

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Speaker 3: in the way it was one because it can slowly

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Speaker 3: change the perception. But you know this, the difference between

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Speaker 3: good and great is consistency. Like great teams consistently play

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Speaker 3: that way at a high level and win and win

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Speaker 3: these type the games. And I'm not I don't know

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Speaker 3: if we're that yet, you know, And this is a

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Speaker 3: this is a game to find that out.

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Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of of Matt Lioner. What what did happen to Oregon?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: How how did orgon that look like the best team

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Speaker 1: in the country? Uh goes you know, they go into

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Speaker 1: Penn State and get a win. How how did Indiana

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Speaker 1: go and do it?

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Speaker 3: Well? They they? I mean this, this is the craziest thing.

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Speaker 3: You watch that tape, Like they got dominated the line

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Speaker 3: of scrimmage, Like like Oregon, who's really good on both

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Speaker 3: fronts like that, they're very good. And I still I

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Speaker 3: still feel very highly about Oregon, like I don't look

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Speaker 3: at that loss and be like man like, like I

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Speaker 3: think we I think we we we respect Indiana more

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Speaker 3: after that. The defensive line. The interesting thing with that

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Speaker 3: was Indiana excuse me, defensive line and front just completely

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Speaker 3: outplayed them, like their front. That was the difference, and

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Speaker 3: that was what was shocking. I mean, they got some

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Speaker 3: good players up there, but like they dominated them on

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Speaker 3: their home field. And you know, and I think the

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Speaker 3: thing about Dante more is, and he's really good. The

466
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Speaker 3: kid's really good. He's going to be great. He's still young, right,

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Speaker 3: he hasn't he hasn't really, you know. Obviously the Penn

468
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Speaker 3: State game was was an overtime game on the road,

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Speaker 3: and that's that's a tough environment. And and maybe now

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Speaker 3: Penn State's obviously not as good as everyone saw, but

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Speaker 3: that's still a pretty good defense. And he was able

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Speaker 3: to uh kind of control that game because their defense

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Speaker 3: kept them inute. This one was different. It just it

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Speaker 3: just was different. Indiana is no joke, man like, They're

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Speaker 3: they're tough, they're confident. Their offense is really really good.

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Speaker 3: But that d line was nasty. That was a difference.

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Speaker 3: So that they just that game was close, but like

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Speaker 3: they they they were in control of that game for

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Speaker 3: four quarters, Like they never felt out of control of

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Speaker 3: that game. And uh, I'm telling you what, Doug, Indiana

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Speaker 3: is going to run the table and and they're going

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Speaker 3: to be most likely it's going to be Ohio State

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Speaker 3: Indiana in the Big Ten Championship Game, which is just bananas.

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Speaker 1: That that is bananas.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So you're working with Abbott on a blood drive here

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Speaker 1: with the anniversary of the Bush Push. How does it work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Abbot they started this campaign last year we

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Speaker 3: give Blood Drive campaign. I was a part of it

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Speaker 3: last year. This is year two. So basically they've teamed

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Speaker 3: up with every school in the Big Ten, all eighteen schools,

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Speaker 3: and it's a competition basically to see whatever school can

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Speaker 3: donate that most blood will win a million dollars to

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Speaker 3: advanced student or community health for their school. So there's

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Speaker 3: a big incentive. The winner gets announced at the title

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Speaker 3: game December sixth, the Big Ten Championship Game. Some key numbers, Doug,

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Speaker 3: just to keep an eye. Last year, about sixty thousand

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Speaker 3: lives were saved. Every donation saves up to three lives.

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Speaker 3: This year so far, over one hundred and ten thousand

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Speaker 3: lives have been saved, which is amazing, and we're only

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Speaker 3: halfway through the season. So it's just just people have

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Speaker 3: showed out and showed up for this year too. It's

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Speaker 3: really great, man. Someone needs blood every two seconds. There's

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Speaker 3: a massive blood shortage. There's just crazy numbers. I've learned

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Speaker 3: as i've as I've teamed up with this with the

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Speaker 3: Abbot of the last couple of years. So it's just

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Speaker 3: it's a great cause. Abbit's amazing. Obviously they're working with

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Speaker 3: the Big ten schools. Everyone's kind of, you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: competed and they have fun, but it's for a greater cause.

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Speaker 3: Big ten dot org backslash abbot is is where you

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Speaker 3: can go to find the location near you university or

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Speaker 3: the city you live in. You can donate for your school,

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Speaker 3: you can just go donate for someone close to your

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Speaker 3: family member, someone you know that needs blood, or just

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Speaker 3: donate for the cause in general. So it's a great cause.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate you. Let me talk about it, man. It's it's again,

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Speaker 3: like I said, of one hundred and ten thousand people

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Speaker 3: save so.

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Speaker 1: Far, Carson Palmer took over Santa Margarita Big One and

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Speaker 1: Santa Margarita took down your own al modern modern day nuts.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I know you got cold in everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering when you're gonna go and put the

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Speaker 1: headset on and take back modern day, to take back,

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Speaker 1: to take back the league.

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Speaker 3: You dude, you go, you go, Tustin, I'll go modern

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Speaker 3: day man, let's do it. You know what it was.

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Speaker 3: You know, my oldest son was there. We're not there anymore.

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Speaker 3: I obviously love modern day. I was. I saw that

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Speaker 3: score and I'm like, what seven to six? But like Gush,

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Speaker 3: I got Lenny Vanner made over at USC, got Carson,

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Speaker 3: t J. Huschmanzotti had a lot of buddies I know

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Speaker 3: over there. So I actually watched I think Santa Marguerita

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Speaker 3: played Mission Vahill week one. It was like the game

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Speaker 3: and we actually watched that on TV, and I think

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Speaker 3: they lost, but it was like all right, and now,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I mean that's that's a I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's a huge win for them. So I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: what's happened on Modernday. Two losses and they still got Bosco.

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Speaker 3: But pump for Carson man, like you know his son

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Speaker 3: fletches there. He's gonna be the quarterback there probably next year.

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Speaker 3: I told my wife this, you know, she's she's like,

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Speaker 3: she wants me to be you know what. It was

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Speaker 3: the old coaching Friday night lights like Chris Chandler or

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Speaker 3: yet whatever, I forget. She wants me to be that

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Speaker 3: in like ten years. So when I retire from TV

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Speaker 3: and anything else that I'm doing. My little boys are

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Speaker 3: five and a half and four, So in about ten years,

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Speaker 3: you might see me on the headset of you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe Merre Coast over here in Manhattan Beach or somewhere,

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Speaker 3: you know, to get out there and call some plays. Man.

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Speaker 3: But until then, I enjoy what I do, dude. But

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Speaker 3: I will say this, I was going to say this.

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Speaker 3: You would be proud of me. I got two new

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Speaker 3: hips for the last couple of years. Right. I feel good.

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Speaker 3: I'm in my Tuesday night rec league. I'm averaging about

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Speaker 3: twenty points a game. I'm playing outside the three point line.

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Speaker 3: It's a thirty five and older league. Some good players.

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Speaker 3: But you'd be proud of me. Man, I'm showing up, dude.

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Speaker 3: I got a game. I got a game tonight, so.

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Speaker 1: I expect nothing less than buckets. I don't pass it.

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Speaker 3: I just you won't find me inside the key, dude.

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Speaker 3: I just I just heave up threes and hope they

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Speaker 3: go in.

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Speaker 1: No, it's so funny. It's like when I play, I

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Speaker 1: got to get back to playing some I'm just coaching.

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Speaker 1: Takes away that time or whatever. Yeah, but when I

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Speaker 1: do play, Guys like you passed a lot of college, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I passed in college. I'm not passing anymore.

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Speaker 3: That's time you were. I mean, you were a great pastor,

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Speaker 3: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I definitely was not a great shooter. Matt, you're the

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Speaker 1: best man. Best of luck to your men of Troy

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Speaker 1: this weekend. Can't wait to see you on the set

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Speaker 1: of Big Name Kickoff. That show keeps getting better and better.

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Speaker 1: And appreciate all the folks that abott what they're doing

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Speaker 1: with this blood drive. Thanks for our.

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Speaker 3: Guest, all right, appreciate Javy Man. Good to talk about.

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Speaker 1: That's a Heisman Trophy winner and two time national champion

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Speaker 1: Matt Lioner joining us on the show.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 3: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So yesterday

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Speaker 1: during the show, Yesterday during the show, we had breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer always breaks in with the news like this

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Speaker 1: is this show's I was texting the guys last night,

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Speaker 1: and it's not just part of it's because our show.

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Speaker 1: I just think we do a really good job, guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't think other people cover baseball as well as

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Speaker 1: we do, or other stories or breaking news that the

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Speaker 1: conversations we have. I really like where we're going with things,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we'll put the brakes on and Dan

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Speaker 1: Byro breaking with breaking news. We have breaking news at Kirksinetti,

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Speaker 1: who's the head coach of Indiana, got an incredible deal,

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Speaker 1: an EXTENSI where it's gonna pay him eleven point eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars on average per year. I'll tell you why

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Speaker 1: it actually makes sense, even though he's massively, massively overpaid.

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Speaker 1: They're all overpaid, right, like lots of CEOs are overpaid. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: I'll make it make sense to you upcoming a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I want to get to Mark Dominic, who's the

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Speaker 1: former genial manager of the Tampay Buccaneers. He's spending his

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Speaker 1: entire professional career in the National Football League and he

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Speaker 1: joins US now first weekly visit here on a Friday

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Speaker 1: in the Doug Gotlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. What's

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Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway from Thursday Night Football where the Bengals

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Speaker 1: beat the Steelers at home?

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Speaker 4: My biggest takeaway is when you're in the division and

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Speaker 4: the division rival and you trade a quarterback, you've ruined

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Speaker 4: the division and you've ruined your franchise. And I think

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns did an injustice, even though they're trying

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Speaker 4: to get their own picks and their situation together. You

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Speaker 4: just don't trade Joe Flacca within the division. And suddenly

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Speaker 4: now the Bengals have a chance to be back in

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Speaker 4: this and maybe when Joe Burrow comes back even better plans.

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Speaker 4: It shows you how good of an organization talent wise,

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Speaker 4: the Bengals have over the Cleveland Browns as well.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm really glad you pointed that out.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to the Bengals in a second,

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Speaker 1: because the Bengals get this reputation of being cheap, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there are times in which they have been cheap,

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Speaker 1: but I kind of think it's unfair with how much

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Speaker 1: money they've handed out to players. But let's go with

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Speaker 1: the Browns. My line when they traded him, I think

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Speaker 1: you'll love this mark is for any other team, it's crazy,

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Speaker 1: but it's not because it's the Browns. Right, Like the

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Speaker 1: Browns have done. There was no reason for them to

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Speaker 1: give Deshaun Watson a five year, no cut guaranteed contract.

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Speaker 1: There was no reason for them to take two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to rookie quarterbacks this year. There's there's no reason for

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Speaker 1: a lot of these things except they're the Browns. If

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Speaker 1: not for organizations that are run that way, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to say other organizations were run well because

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Speaker 1: that one seems to be run poorly. But this is

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Speaker 1: like Mike Tomlin was right. And by the way, Jay Stu,

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Speaker 1: I think you texted us last night, Mike Tomlin was right.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that. They they they made the division

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Speaker 1: way more competitive than it needed to be by taking

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Speaker 1: it wasn't anybody their quarterback and handing them to the

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Speaker 1: Bengals who were desperately in need of quarterback, and you

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Speaker 1: got one that's won a super Bowl and still pretty

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Speaker 1: pretty solid.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially what we saw last night, And I agree,

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Speaker 4: it's just the Cleveland Browns continuing to make blunder after blunder, and.

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Speaker 3: It's it's easy to pile on, right.

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Speaker 4: We can all sit there and you know, I made

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Speaker 4: mistakes too when I was a general manager. But the

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Speaker 4: reality is got to learn from them, and it doesn't

647
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Speaker 4: feel like the Cleveland Brown's front office is learning from

648
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Speaker 4: mistakes they've made, and then they continue to spin it

649
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Speaker 4: out of control. And it just when Joe Lacko goes

650
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Speaker 4: to another organization and lights up the Pittsburgh Steelers defense,

651
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 4: which is a good defense, not as to the same

652
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: level as maybe some of the other previous Dealers defenses,

653
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 4: obviously we know, but he goes and lights it up,

654
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: it shows you that there's something really wrong. And it's

655
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: not the offensive line in Cleveland. That's actually probably their strength,

656
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Speaker 4: specifically inside. So I just think that it just speaks

657
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: badly about the overall structure of where the Cleveland Browns

658
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 4: sit today and just the decisions they've made. And you

659
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Speaker 4: got to give credit to the Bengals and taking advantage

660
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Speaker 4: of the situation and not being afraid afraid to pick

661
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Speaker 4: up the call and make this trade.

662
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Speaker 1: Did you ever did you ever used to read the

663
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Speaker 1: Sporting News. Remember remember those Sporting News three Do you

664
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Speaker 1: remember the Fly? The little column that the Fly and

665
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Speaker 1: the Fly used to have a line that says, didn't

666
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Speaker 1: you used to be right? And it was when you

667
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: were no longer what you know? It's like you watched

668
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: the Bengals last night and they're they're performing well despite

669
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Speaker 1: the and and protecting a quarterback that we didn't think

670
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Speaker 1: they could protect. Didn't you used to be the since

671
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Speaker 1: sid of Bagels? I would say, didn't she used to

672
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: be the Pittsburgh Steeler? He had all day to throw.

673
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: They couldn't stop the run. It's not like the Bengals

674
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: have some vaunted rushing game. Couldn't stop the run and

675
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: couldn't stop the pass. Didn't she used to be the

676
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Sears. What happened to their defense?

677
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Speaker 4: I think it's the secondary. It's something that's hont that

678
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 4: I think the Steelers since the beginning, right, they can

679
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 4: never quite get the cornerbacks in there that can be

680
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 4: consistent at the high level. Yes, they've tried to make

681
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 4: some move to be able to improve that, obviously, but

682
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Speaker 4: still I think it's just that secondary continues to try

683
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Speaker 4: to find itself, and I think when they traded away

684
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Speaker 4: Mike A. Fitzpatrick again, I think that hurt them. But

685
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Speaker 4: at the same point, this has been a problem they've

686
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Speaker 4: been dealing with for years. And yeah, they used to

687
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Speaker 4: be the Steelers. I just thought there upfront would be

688
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: stronger than it was or it was last night. That's

689
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Speaker 4: the one thing that was surprising to me is I

690
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 4: thought they'd get after the quarterback more and in more sacks,

691
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: more opportunities like that, but they didn't do it.

692
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I.

693
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Speaker 4: Agree, the Steelers are just always good and that's a

694
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: frustrating thing, even though you would take it if you

695
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: were the Cleveland Browns.

696
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Speaker 1: It is the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader.

697
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Speaker 1: That's Mark Dominic He's our guest. Okay, what do you

698
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: do when you're the Jets and you got a first

699
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: year quarter first year head coach, and you know, you

700
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: start to hear Aaron Rodgers' story and you're like that it

701
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: might actually make sense when you look at how he's

702
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: handling things. It's not going well in New York. Now. Look,

703
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't think you can win with Justin Fields anyway,

704
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: But it's not about winning or losing with justin fields.

705
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: It's about it's like he's trying to be Dan Campbell.

706
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: He's not Dan Campbell, and he just is missing. What

707
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: do you do if you're the Jets, Well, I.

708
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Speaker 4: Mean, I think you're just worried. I think if I'm

709
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: coach Glen or if I'm the gentlemanager there, I'm telling

710
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 4: coach going, Look, we realize the season is going to

711
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: be harsh. I understand you've got to create your culture

712
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 4: and continue to stay by it no matter what. So

713
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: as we get more and more young guys into the building,

714
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 4: they're understanding the expectations of what we're trying to build here,

715
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: understanding that twenty twenty five isn't going to be that year.

716
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Speaker 4: And I know that you want to win right away.

717
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 4: But I would give him the confidence of, hey, look

718
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: we're going to go through this together. We're going to

719
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: make this work, and not scare him out of like

720
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 4: not being who he wants to be and just worried

721
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: about the next victory. Because I do think with the

722
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 4: Jets they're going to be in a position to take

723
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 4: a quarterback and I think they will just to offseason,

724
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Speaker 4: and I think that's going to be a big meat

725
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 4: move for them, because I still think Aaron Glenn as

726
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: a leader is a good one, and I just know

727
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: that the Jets just as a roster is not a

728
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 4: good one.

729
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Speaker 1: What has Drake Made done to evolve the last couple

730
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Speaker 1: of weeks.

731
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Speaker 4: I think he made great decisions right with the football.

732
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Speaker 4: I think that's the thing. The processing seems to go

733
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Speaker 4: very well for Drake Maye. I think he's doing a

734
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: great job of getting back and knowing where he's supposed

735
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 4: to go with the ball and getting out of his

736
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Speaker 4: hands as quickly as he can to not sit there

737
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Speaker 4: and then force a turnover. And so I think that's

738
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Speaker 4: the thing with Drake made this been the most impressive

739
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: is that I think his processing has really sped up

740
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 4: and that's created a guy that's you know again, here's

741
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: a guy that's outperforming. I think the talent around him,

742
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 4: which is a great deal for a quarterback and shouldn't

743
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 4: make for a very fun offseason for the New England

744
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 4: Patriots to continue to weapons for him.

745
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Speaker 1: You know, I was I was thinking the other day,

746
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I was interesting to think about you and some of

747
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 1: our discussions. Smart Dominic's our guest. He's joined us for years.

748
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: Is awesome former gym Managery Tampay Buccaneers, and sometimes we

749
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: get off on on on roads and anybody can look

750
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 1: at Donald and Baker and go like they were both

751
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: on the same team with the Carolina Panthers, and the

752
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Panthers wanted to keep in either of them. How has

753
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: this happened? And how has this happened? And you know,

754
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: to me, so much of it is about confidence. You know,

755
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: both of those guys at their first spot, everybody lost

756
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: confidence to them. They lost confidence in themselves, didn't have

757
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: a great surrounding cast or whatever. As a guy who's

758
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: been through it, now, Donald looks like he's he's a legit.

759
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, top fifteen quarterback right Probably not what

760
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: he was build coming out of SC but solid. Nobody's

761
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: calling in to question the contract he got. Right now,

762
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: Baker is in conversation to be MVP of the league,

763
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: and I get that. You know some of it was

764
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: him and playing hurt and you know the dysfunctional Browns

765
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: organization and OBJ and that's why he's not there anymore.

766
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: But Carolina had him both. How does this happen? How

767
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: do you go from two guys get cut become two

768
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: stars in the same position in the same league a

769
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Speaker 1: couple years later.

770
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Speaker 4: Well, I truly think, because both those guys all come

771
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 4: from mcveish hand trees at part of their career in

772
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: terms of Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, that that's the

773
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 4: difference because those those systems help a quarterback learn how

774
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: to move. Why are we doing the play, why are

775
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: we getting the ball out quickly? Here's the design, here's

776
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: what we're going to check to. They're just one. I mean,

777
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 4: you see guys in and out coming out of those

778
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 4: systems being productive, and they both had time to be

779
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: in that system. The problem with Carolina is they're still

780
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: just trying to figure out, you know, obviously with the

781
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 4: number one pick and what happened there, but it's a

782
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 4: different type of system they've been going through. And I said, I,

783
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Speaker 4: if I've got a young if I was an agent,

784
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 4: or if I was a young quarterback in the Nation

785
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 4: Football League, if there's any way I could spend a

786
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: year or two, even if as a number three in

787
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: San Francisco or the Rams, I want to be there

788
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 4: or Minnesota. Quite frankly, because O'Connell's bringing that same mindset

789
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 4: to his organization as well. I just think it's the

790
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 4: right place to be. We'll see what happened with JJ McCarthy.

791
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 4: I don't think it's not been what I expected it

792
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: to be, But I still think there's a lot of

793
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: upside there too, because of his character and his demeanor.

794
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: But I think that's the reason why I think Baker

795
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: Mayfield they regained their confidence in a system that went

796
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: back to why were they such high picks in the

797
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 4: first place?

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Speaker 1: Great point. Okay, JJ McCarthy, what are your thoughts so far?

799
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Speaker 4: I've been very disappointed. I mean, I feel like, you know,

800
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 4: he's played one good quarter, maybe two, and I really

801
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: thought we'd see a guy that would take a big

802
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: step this year, you know, and you got to remind

803
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: yourself that really this is his rookie season because of

804
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: what happened last year. But I want to feel like

805
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 4: each week we need to start building. If we continue

806
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 4: as flatline, that's a very big concern because I know

807
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: mentally he can handle it, and no characteristically he can lead.

808
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: So now it's just can he processing? Can he make

809
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: the good decisions? He's not been doing that, and so

810
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 4: now we've just got to wait to see. I still

811
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Speaker 4: believe so I'm not going to write JJ mcrossey out

812
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: by any chance. If I'm a Viking fan. Yeah, I'm

813
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 4: a little disappointed, but not be frustrated yet, because you've

814
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: got to realize he's got six games, five games under

815
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 4: his belt in his NFL career. That's not enough to

816
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 4: go on yet.

817
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Speaker 1: Mark Dominck's our guest here on the Doug Atlib Show

818
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. What's changed with the Kansatate Chiefs

819
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Speaker 1: that's allowed them to seemingly turn around their season.

820
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: Well, it feels like they're tackling very well. I think

821
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 4: their cornerbacks are playing well, Like Jalen Watson's the guy

822
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 4: that's in his fourth year that has really come back

823
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 4: this year and played well like he is in a

824
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: contract year, which he is. I think that's been a

825
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 4: big part of it, just that having him out there

826
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Speaker 4: in the way he's performing takes some pressure off. And

827
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Speaker 4: then offensively, they keep getting little pieces back offensively that

828
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Speaker 4: they need to have in terms of weapons, and I

829
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 4: think that that's been important. And I think the tackles

830
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: have probably I mean, the interior guys are playing very well,

831
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 4: but the tackles have played a little better and they've

832
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Speaker 4: been trying to help them out a little bit more so.

833
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Speaker 4: I think they're being very smart about the protection for Patrick.

834
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Speaker 4: And then Patrick's back to looking like Patrick Mahomes from

835
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Speaker 4: you know, last two years ago, three years ago, whatever

836
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Speaker 4: it was.

837
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Speaker 3: He's just he's.

838
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 4: Threatened the ball and it's not because of Travis Kelce.

839
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: It's it's because he's, you.

840
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 4: Know, spreading the ball all around to everybody. And I

841
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: think that's the big difference.

842
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Mark Eagles Eagles. It just seems combustible. They don't seem

843
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: as good as they were. Aj Brown, you know two

844
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: games ago, they tried to force it to him. His

845
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: attitude's not great. You know, Jalen Hurts does have some limitations.

846
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, he does everything except for really throw the

847
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: football crazy. Well, what's your perspective in the likelihood that

848
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: they turn this thing around.

849
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Speaker 4: I think they can turn it around. I think the

850
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: offensive line's still playing very well. I think they just

851
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: need to feed the ball to Saque even more than

852
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 4: they are, and whether that's in the passing game and

853
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 4: the short throws, but it's time to just pound it

854
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 4: with Sakon and see what a game looks like with

855
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 4: twenty six carries and six catches, and I know it's

856
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: a lot to ask for any running back, but I

857
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 4: think that's they got to get back to the grassroots

858
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: of why they got to the Super and won it

859
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: last year, and that was on the back of Saquon Barkley.

860
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Speaker 4: It wasn't Jalen Hurts throwing the ball over the field.

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Speaker 4: And the other part is that they're just not getting

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Speaker 4: to the quarterback in terms of sacks or pressure. They've

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Speaker 4: got to get Jalen Carter on the field and healthy,

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Speaker 4: and if they can get to that point, those two pieces,

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Speaker 4: to me, Saquon Barkley and Jalen Carter are really the

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Speaker 4: keys of them getting back on track.

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Speaker 1: Mark Uh, Look, it should be a great football weekend.

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Speaker 1: Love talking ball with you, especially after last night. I

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Speaker 1: got me jacked. I did not expect that to be

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Speaker 1: a good game, and then it was. It was a fun,

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Speaker 1: great atmosphere, good football game. Disappointing end for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: but still fun. Thanks so much for being our guests.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 1: He's the best