1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I and 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Matt and today we're discussing working from home without going crazy. 3 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: Well Joel, speaking of going crazy, is it nuts that 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: this is still the world we live in? So much 5 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: has changed, but like at the same time, I look 6 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: outside and I see how beautiful it is outside, like 7 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: it's spring now, and there's so many things that haven't changed, 8 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, like cherry blossoms look incredible, by the way, 9 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Thank you dude, don't they It's it's our favorite like 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: three weeks of the year basically when those two trees 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: blossomed like that. But but yeah, you know, you see 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: that happen. You see nature kind of continuing on, and 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: it's it's this weird juxtaposition where like everything seems fine, 14 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: the world is carrying on as as as usual, but 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: at the same time, like so much of our lives 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: has altered significantly. You know. It's funny. It makes me 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too heavy, but I feel 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: like that's that's typically what people how people describe experiencing 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: the death of a close loved one, Like the world 20 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: around you continues on as normal, and it doesn't feel 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: like it should it feels like things can stop because 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: of something that major has happened. And I feel like 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: that's kind of how we're all feeling to a certain 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: extent with the impact of of coronavirus and kind of 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: how it's affecting everything. And I don't know about you, man, 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm waking up in the morning 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: and just the first thought in my mind is that 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: I just dream this or is it actually happening. And 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: it's actually happening every every morning. It takes me like 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: five seconds to realize, No, No, that's still real life. Yeah, 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: that's the world we're living in right now. So I mean, 32 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: and a part of that world is working from home, 33 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: Like many of us are still working from home, and 34 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: I think many of us might even continue to work 35 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: from home. So you know, we're gonna talk about why 36 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: it's important for us to do this. We're gonna talk 37 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: about how we can do this effectively. And I'm excited 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: that we can give our listeners something that's a little 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: more timely like this on a Wednesday episode, which are 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: typically a little more timeless episodes. Right, Like, it's it's 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: content that's evergreen, it's gonna be there and it's gonna 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: be good forever. But we I think this is gonna 43 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: be one that will stand the test of time for sure. 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: But it's also one that I think people will be 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 1: excited to hear, given what we're living through right now. Yeah, 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of hot takes when it comes to money, Matt. 47 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: That's not our show though, typically, right we're we're usually 48 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: just about kind of the principles, the time tested principles 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: of money and how people can apply that to our 50 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: their lives were solid, right exactly. But yeah, before we 51 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: get into kind of all the specifics of how people 52 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: can implement a work from home regimen that works for 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: them right now, I wanted to ask you quickly, do 54 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: you think that because of the massive shift for so 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: many people to working from home, do you think that's 56 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: gonna lead to a real shift in the future of 57 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: working from home, like our employers going to approach work 58 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: from home completely differently a year, two or three down 59 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: the road based on kind of what's happening now. Well, yes, 60 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: that's the answer. And I know why you're asking me 61 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: this too, because we were talking about this article not 62 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: too long ago. But the expert there was talking thing 63 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: about how this is a change that they were expecting 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: to see over maybe a decade, right Like just with 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: the with the technologies that they're expecting companies to make 66 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: the investments in and to transition their workforce to have 67 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: that ability to work from home. More and more employees 68 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: are asking for that. They want more flexibility. And but 69 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: given the current economic crisis that that we've seen ourselves 70 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: in not just economic but first and foremost the health 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: crisis that this is that has required us to to 72 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: stay at home and do our work, to not be 73 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: around others. And so because of that, they're seeing a 74 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: scramble right as companies are trying to make sure that 75 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: they have the software, of the infrastructure, everything that they 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: need to have aligned and set up in order for 77 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: their employees to work from home. And it's not just 78 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: about having a laptop, but they're talking about how certain 79 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: sectors of business they require higher security when it comes 80 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: to you know, them logging in and getting the work done, 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: like a VPN or something exactly to the network at work. Yeah, 82 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and and so those networks, for instance, weren't typically designed 83 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: to handle all of their workforce being at home and 84 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: using that VPN. But now that's changed because it's you know, 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: it's basically a necessity at this point. And so yeah, 86 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of businesses are making those investments. 87 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: And these are sort of like one time things, right, Like, 88 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go ahead and take the step to 89 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: work towards allowing your your employees to work from home, 90 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: why not continue to offer that to your employees assuming 91 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: that they're able to get the work done. So, I mean, yeah, 92 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: I do think it will be something that's here to stay. 93 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts. Yeah, I think a lot of 94 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: businesses were kind of reticent to test it out, and 95 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: now they're kind of being forced to test it out, 96 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,239 Speaker 1: and so I think they will begin to see that 97 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: that working from home isn't gonna damage productivity like they 98 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: maybe thought it was. I think that was one of 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: the biggest reasons one of the biggest hangups for employers was, well, 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: are my employee is still going to do the work 101 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: that that they're supposed to do if they're working from home, 102 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 1: or are they gonna take you know, extended lunches or 103 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, walks to the park or whatever it may be. 104 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: And I think we're going to see that productivity doesn't 105 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: really go down when people work at home, and in fact, 106 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: oftentimes it goes up. And I agree. Plus, they are 107 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: making this massive and vestment right now, and because they're 108 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: kind of being forced to do so, I think those 109 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: added levels of flexibility are going to remain the biggest 110 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: question for me is whether people after you know, working 111 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: at home five days a week for weeks on end, 112 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: are going to be desperate to get back into the office, 113 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: and whether that's whether that's going to be the whether 114 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: it's gonna be workers themselves who are saying, you know what, 115 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: working from home is great, Maybe one or two days 116 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: a week, let me back in the office. Yeah. I 117 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: like that camaraderie. I want the water cooler, I want 118 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: that creativity, the collaboration. Yeah. Well, I mean that's part 119 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: of why we're calling this episode, you know, working from 120 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: home without going crazy, because not all of us have 121 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: taken the steps necessary to ensure that we're able to 122 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 1: do that in a way that's effective, in a way 123 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: that preserves our sanity. And so if you haven't taken 124 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: those steps, then working from home may not work out 125 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: for you. So that's why we're going to talk about this, 126 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: because even if your employer offers it. You need to 127 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: make sure that you are taking the steps yourself personally 128 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: to ensure that this is gonna work for you, no doubt, buddy. 129 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: All Right, real quick before we get into it. The 130 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: beer we're having on this episode is called Same As 131 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: It Ever Was, which is a little ironic because things 132 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: are not the same. They're not the same as all was. Yeah, 133 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: but this is a beer from one of our favorite 134 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: local breweries, Monday Night Brewing. Matt. You went by there 135 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: the other day to pick this up, mostly to show 136 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: support right now, and also because their beers are delicious. Yeah, 137 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: they're friends of ours. They make amazing beer. But yeah, 138 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: do the you know, the restaurants, the breweries around here, 139 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: they've really been taking a beating when it comes to 140 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: just all the closures, and so maybe if you're out 141 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: running errands, you know you're out doing your your grocery 142 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: run once a week. And uh, in this case, I 143 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: swung by the brewery they had to go, canes ready 144 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: to go, and I was happy to to support them. 145 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, Same as It Ever was kind of 146 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: weird a Talking Head song. These are weird times that 147 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: we're in. It's it's kind of appropriate. True. True, All right, Matt, 148 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: let's get onto the topic of hand working from home 149 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: without going crazy and uh, you know, working from home, 150 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: like we said, is awesome, but a lot of us 151 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: probably do feel a little bit differently about it, right 152 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: that maybe the first couple of days feel great, and 153 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: then we start to settle into a routine and maybe 154 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: not even a healthy routine when we're working from home, 155 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: and when we're forced to do so full time, then 156 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: it can become even harder. So we felt that this 157 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: was pertinent to talk about. Uh So that people could 158 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: work from home and be semi productive at minimum. And 159 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna feel different, for sure, but there are specific 160 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: ways that you can make it work and likely even 161 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: thrive right now, even in an environment that's completely changed, 162 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: a work environment that is very different than it was 163 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: just a month ago. I will say too, I think 164 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: it's important Matt. You have been working from home for years. 165 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: You've practically mastered the art of working from home. I 166 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: think you're gonna have a lot of advice on on 167 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: this episode. Oh sure, I wouldn't say I've necessarily mastered it, 168 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: but you know, I do have a lot more experience, 169 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: for sure than to work from home, Ninja, dude. Over 170 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: ten years I've worked from home. So but you know, 171 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: more folks than ever are having to work from home 172 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: and continue at the pace of work that they're used 173 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: to doing in a traditional office. And the problem is 174 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: that most of us don't have home offices right or 175 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: if we do, they're not, you know, equipped in such 176 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: a way to allow for a ton of productivity. But 177 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: even if you do have a suite set up at home, 178 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: a lot of us have kids at home as well, 179 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: including us right now, Like we're recording at my dining 180 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: room table, and you know, I can hear the girls 181 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: in the background at don't think the mics can pick 182 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: it up, but they're there because they're not in school. 183 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: And so while like it's awesome, I love my girls, 184 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: I love the kid us, they are likely going to 185 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: distract us from the other myriad tasks we have at hand, 186 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: from some of that work that we do have to 187 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: get done. So how do we work from home and 188 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: do it well? And that's what we're gonna talk about today, man, Yeah, Matt, 189 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: I recently heard about a couple who is in New 190 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: York City who both used to go into the office, 191 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: but now they live in literally a three square foot 192 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: apartment and they're both trying to work from home and 193 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: live there and sleep there and eat there and go 194 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: to the bathroom there, you know, like it just gets awkward, 195 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: especially if you're doing it with your partner, uh that 196 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: they can get weird, especially in a small space. So 197 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: so it's important to figure out for for that couple 198 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: and for the rest of us, because we really just 199 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: don't know how long the coronavirus will continue to reak 200 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: havoc on our society, Like how long until the curve 201 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: gets spent and we're all back to at least a 202 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: state of you know, heightened awareness but somewhat normalcy. So 203 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: let's specifically talk about how individuals can work well from 204 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: home and this time we we can't continue with the 205 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: system that hampers our ability to actually get work done 206 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: and that we are recording at your dining room table. 207 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: But very soon, very very soon, we're going to hopefully 208 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: next week, move down into your Airbnb apartment, the apartment 209 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: you were reating short term, and that's going to be 210 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: kind of our new podcast recording space, and that's where 211 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna work from when when we're creating content for 212 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: our podcast. That's gonna be huge, right. And I think 213 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: if somebody does have a suite set up like that 214 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: where they do have this other space maybe that they're 215 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,239 Speaker 1: they were using for something else, hopefully they can repurpose 216 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: it and use it to work from home, you know, 217 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: during this time. I think it's gonna be a big 218 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: help to us as we try to get things done. Yeah, 219 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: this is a little podcast, uh personal information, right, But 220 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: like you know, you and I we've we've mentioned how 221 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: we've kind of come to a crossroads and we're looking 222 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: to take the podcast kind of to the next level. 223 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: And so part of that, we're going out on a 224 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: limb a little bit and we're going to occupy that 225 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: basement space where we can have a full time recording 226 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: set up where the sound will be better. Instead of 227 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: in my echoe dining room, We're gonna have an actual 228 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: acoustically treated space. Man. I'm so looking forward to that. 229 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm still looking forward to the future of the podcast, 230 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: creating more content and just you know, having a space 231 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: where when you're able to have a space, you can 232 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: take it a little more seriously, I think, and up 233 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: until now, this has been something that you and I 234 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: have sort of done on the side, uh, sort of 235 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: been a labor of love, and we're looking forward to 236 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: kind of growing up into our like our our big 237 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: boy podcast bridges what I'm saying, Yeah, exactly, yeah, and 238 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: and so yeah, we're taking this advice personally as we 239 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: kind of go through some of these things. So while 240 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: we're still getting set up, we do think that being 241 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: down there is going to help us avoid some of 242 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: these distractions, and it's going to help us create better work. 243 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: And I know that's what we're all kind of looking for. 244 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: How do we still manage to turn out good work 245 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: in a time like this where things feel a lot different, 246 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: and in particular, our work at home spaces might feel 247 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: like they're hampering us from that ability to Yeah, and 248 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: this is also important because you know, while we're at home, 249 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: we just have a new set of distractions to tempt 250 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: us from doing our work while at home, right, Like, 251 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: just aside from technology, I'm just thinking about the fridge, 252 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: like the TV, Like a lot of us have TVs 253 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: in our places, and even and not even just like 254 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: the fun things that you kind of want to do 255 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: like eat or watch TV. But sometimes folks are like 256 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: you see something that needs to be fixed because you're 257 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: at home way more often and you're like, oh, that's 258 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: a chore I need to do, and it's easy to 259 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: get pulled off into all these little things that are 260 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: are calling for our attention. And so hopefully through some 261 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: of these tips and strategies that we're gonna talk about 262 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: later in this episode, you yourself will be able to 263 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: become a better worker, a more efficient worker, and one 264 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: who can focus on tasks and knock them out while 265 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: you're sitting at home. Yeah, and while you're on the 266 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: clock put down the laundry. It's you know, that can wait, 267 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: because I think it is just it's it's more tantalizing 268 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: to try to get some chores done while we're you know, 269 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote supposed to be working when we're working from home. 270 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think there are ways that can make 271 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: it less painful and just a more joyful experience to 272 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: work from home, Matt. So, so let's get into some 273 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: of those practical steps so we can take right after 274 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: the break. All right, Joe, we're back from the break, 275 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: and you know, later in the show, we're gonna talk 276 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: about some specific steps we can take, some things we 277 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: can do that apply more to families and especially if 278 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: you have kids at home. But for now, let's talk 279 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: about some important physical steps that everyone can take in 280 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: order to enjoy working from home more and to also 281 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: be more productive. We kind of tease to this there 282 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: right before the break, but we would recommend to try 283 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: and dedicate a separate space for your work. This is crucial, 284 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: right If you are going to be able to make 285 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: this work for a meaningful length of time, you can't 286 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: be working from your bed constantly. Maybe maybe once or twice, 287 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: but if you're constantly working from your bed, I don't 288 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: think that that's gonna work out for you. Delineating a 289 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: space between your living area and your work area will 290 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: help you to focus when you have blurred lines that 291 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: can just make it much harder to concentrate. If you live, 292 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: you know, maybe in a smaller space. It might even 293 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: be a tiny desk with like a taped outline to 294 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: remind you that this space right here, this has meant 295 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: solely for work. In the space outside of that tape line, well, 296 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's your regular life, that's your personal life, 297 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: that's your your family life. I'm thinking about that couple 298 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: you mentioned ae up in New York, like and I 299 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: imagine like two little corners in their apartment. You know 300 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: that that's tape off, like whatever it takes create you know, 301 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: if it's not a physical separation of space, like a 302 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: mental separation between the space that you do life in 303 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: and the space that you are doing work in. Yeah, 304 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: and and think about that too, Matt. If you're doing 305 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: work and there's somebody else there too, whether it's kids, 306 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: your partner, If you have a physical delineated space, even 307 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: if it's just marked by tape or pillows or whatever 308 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: it takes to kind of say this is my workspace, 309 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: that can really help your partner or your kids know 310 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: when they can approach you, to when when it's appropriate 311 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: for them to ask you a question or jump in. 312 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously young kids, we know that they're going 313 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: to break any any barrier we set up. But the 314 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: more we can do to kind of create a physical barrier, 315 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: it helps us mentally, and I think it helps with 316 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: those around us and what their expectations are. Man, I'm 317 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: such a stickler for this, and I feel like that 318 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: we often underestimate the power that a space can have 319 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: and how we perceive things. You know, I've got a 320 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: question for you. Do you ever read in bed, like 321 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: read a book or anything like that, And yeah, that's 322 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: actually typically where I read. Do you really so you're 323 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: like the complete opposite of me. I literally fell asleep 324 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: ast night listening to an audio book and I'm like, crap, 325 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: I need to rewind it and catch the rest of it. 326 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: So I hate reading in bed, and I like, I 327 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: don't ever listen to anything. I don't read anything in 328 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: bed because for me, I've identified that when I get 329 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: in bed, I just want to fall asleep. I don't 330 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: want there to every be a time when I lay 331 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: in bed. And what that signals to my mind is 332 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: that all right, it's time to fire up, it's time 333 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: to get creatives, time to start thinking about ways to 334 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, save money, things like that. Instead I wanted 335 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: to be thinking like, okay, it's time to go to bed. 336 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: And so because of that, I like, I seriously refused 337 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: to read in bed, because I've trained myself that when 338 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: I get in bed, like I fall asleep fast. And 339 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: to me, at least, I feel like that has a 340 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: lot to do with having that separate space, Like if 341 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: I want to read and I go sit in my chair, 342 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: Like I've got this chair, that's that's Daddy's chair. That's 343 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: where I sit, That's where I get a lot of 344 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: my reading done. That's where I like to read. I 345 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: feel like I need to make a change. Well, I'm 346 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: I'm old school. I feel like that's a very traditional thing, 347 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, she reads in bed all the 348 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: time and she sleeps fine. But I feel like that, 349 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, literally, after falling asleep last night listening to 350 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: an audio book, I probably I just know it's probably 351 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: not ideal. If I'm reading a physical book, I feel 352 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: like you a little bit different. I'm a little more 353 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: mentally active actively doing it. But but yeah, it's just 354 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: definitely not a good place for an audiobook. I found 355 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: that out, uh Matt. For folks looking to take other 356 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: physical steps in order to work from home without going crazy, well, 357 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: it's important to close your email for specific stretches of 358 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: the day. With so many of us not in the office, 359 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: email slack text messages, they're likely to be an even 360 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: more constant trip than they typically are. So in order 361 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: to create these stretches of deeper work, turning off notifications 362 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: and closing those applications whenever possible is going to help 363 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: your mental ability to focus on the work you need 364 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: to get done. It's gonna help you turn out better 365 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: work at the same time, right So, and a specific 366 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: thing to mention if you're actually closing your email or 367 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: not checking things for a part of the day, talk 368 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: to your boss about communication expectations ahead of time and 369 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: let them know that being constantly responsive isn't good for 370 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: how much work you're gonna be able to get done. 371 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: And everyone's kind of trying to find a new normal 372 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: right now what their work from home schedule is going 373 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: to look like. So being communicative back and forth with 374 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: your boss about how that's going to look for you 375 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: and how you're going to be most productive. This is 376 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: the exact time to have that conversation. Seriously, I could 377 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: not think of a better time to kind of like 378 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: switch up the expectations a little bit. And then right 379 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: now it's COVID nineteen season. You know, let's talk about 380 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: sound distractions as well, Like, even if you're able to 381 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: create a separate space that you call your office, like, 382 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: you still might have some audible distractions that are keeping 383 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: you from that efficient or that deep work. I hope 384 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: you're not talking about our podcast, because that's never a distraction, 385 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: that's always just something people should have on the background, right. 386 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: You know, I actually wonder if if our podcast listening 387 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: has gone down because people aren't commuting, because you can't 388 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: really listen to a podcast while you work, right, because 389 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: that engages like the side of your brain that has 390 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: to do with words, Like there's a visual side and 391 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: then there's like the word side. Maybe people fall asleep 392 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: listening to us like I do audio books. Hey, if so, 393 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: that's fine as long as you can stay subscribed. But 394 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: there are different noises and sounds, and you know, those 395 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: can be incredibly distracting, especially if you're not used to 396 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: them because you're in a new environment because you're working 397 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: at home. And so here's the thing. The solution, it's simple. 398 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: All you need to do is get some of those 399 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: cheap ear plugs. I'm talking about the kind of like 400 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: little foam cling, cylindrical shaped earplugs you can get like 401 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: at a drug store, or you can buy like fifty 402 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: of them, maybe on Amazon, all at once. But you 403 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: squeeze them between your fingers, you stick them in your ear, 404 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: and then they expand and the world disappears. I am 405 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: a huge fan of these ear plugs. You can go 406 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: fancy if you want and get the bows noise canceling 407 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: headphones maybe, But here's the thing, and they're not necessary. 408 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: Literally all it takes is a few bucks, spend some 409 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: money on some of those ear plugs. And I mean, 410 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: it just depends on who you are, I guess, because 411 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: I know for me, I've worked from home for over 412 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: a decade, and I'm not any better at ignoring noises, 413 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: Like when I hear something, it still distracts me. That's 414 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: just who I am. And so but what I have 415 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: gotten better at is eliminating these distractions from my body 416 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: perceiving them at all. And so I've got ear plugs 417 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: and I use them all the time. I again, I 418 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: completely recommend them. Maybe I'll even link to like the 419 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: ones that I use if folks are interested. All right, 420 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: that sounds good, I agree, man. Yeah, It's it's not 421 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: even like you're trying to be distracted, because sometimes it's 422 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,199 Speaker 1: literally us proactively trying to distract ourselves by walking to 423 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: the fridge, by finding something that we can do instead 424 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: of working. But sometimes it's literally just a distraction that 425 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: catches us by surprise and it draws us in and uh, 426 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, a conversation we over here in the next room, 427 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: or kids screaming or whatever, and and if they're screaming 428 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: really loud, it probably probably needs to be attended to. 429 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: It depends on the type of exactly. You know, if 430 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: you're a parent, you know, you know the kind of 431 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: scream we're talking about. But yeah, so those are some 432 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: of the physical batteries that are important to implement right now. 433 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: But there are practices or routines that also make working 434 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: from home a whole heck of a lot easier too. 435 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: So let's get into a couple of those, man. And 436 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: one that we would suggest is to get ready every 437 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: day kind of like you're going to work normally, get dressed, 438 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: brush your teeth, just like or similar to if you 439 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: were going into the office. You know, if you typically 440 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: wear a suit, you're probably not going to put on 441 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: the full nines. Uh, if you're gonna stay in your apartment, 442 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: what are you trying to prove? Man, Like, no one cares, 443 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: right right, just for those like zoom video calls that 444 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna be on or whatever, just put the neck 445 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: tie on. It's fine. The next time. That's like you need. 446 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: You can still be sitting there in your underwear. Yeah, 447 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: but if you but if you're just in your robe 448 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: and your underwear, like, it's going to affect your mindset. 449 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: You're you're gonna feel like you're in your home, it's 450 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: relaxation time, time to take a nap, and so yeah, 451 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: you you will be less productive. So yeah, getting ready, 452 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: putting some effort into what you what you look like, 453 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: is gonna affect how you feel and how you work. Yeah. Man, 454 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: This is another one too that I feel like really 455 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: depends on what you normally where, Like when you do 456 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: go into work, right, Like, if you're used to going 457 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: into the midtown office, you know, and you're kind of 458 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: all dressed up fancy, but then all of a sudden, 459 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: you look like the dude from the from The Big 460 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: Lebowski and you're sitting around and you're like, why don't 461 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: I feel as productive? Hopefully you're not slimming white rushes 462 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: to the leban am. I think people are doing that 463 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: these days. The reason I say that, though, is as 464 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: someone who has worked from home for the majority of 465 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: his life, I have pretty much always worn sweatpaints or 466 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: jim shorts, if you know, if it's during the summer, 467 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: and that's just part less like my at home uniform. Obviously, 468 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go out and I've got a meeting 469 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: or something like that, I'm gonna get dressed up a 470 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: little little more dressed up than I normally am. But 471 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: I have found for me that doesn't affect me quite 472 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: as much. And so even though these are things that 473 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: we're recommending to folks, there are going to be certain 474 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: aspects of what we're talking about here that's going to 475 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 1: resonate more with you and and who you are as 476 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: a person. So certainly keep that in mind. Yeah, Matt, 477 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: even when we're going to record in our new kind 478 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: of podcast studio Slasher Basement, I'm not gonna go to 479 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: dress up. Well, probably I'm not gonna dress up a lot, 480 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: But my normal uniform is pretty much jeans in a 481 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: T shirt. Yeah exactly. But but still taking a shower 482 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 1: and getting dressed in jeans in your T shirt at 483 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: least is different than when I sleep in, And so 484 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: doing that, having that start to the day makes a 485 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: difference in feeling like I'm actually going to work as 486 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: opposed to just lounging around a weekend day. At my house. Yeah, well, 487 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: I look forward to you being fresh and smelling. I'll 488 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: get down there and I'm not thinking the space. Something 489 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: else that we'd recommend for folks to implement is creating 490 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: hard quote unquote work hours. Right. Another hazard of working 491 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: at home is not exactly knowing how much you've actually 492 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: been working. For instance, maybe you know that you got 493 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: up around seven, maybe eight o'clock, who knows, like you 494 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: had breakfast and then you started working, but like, when 495 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: did you actually start king? Do you know? Creating a 496 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: schedule and sticking to some of those hard hours where 497 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: you'll do nothing but actually get work done is important 498 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: to not feeling like you just wasted the entire day 499 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: because you've had your work computer open, but maybe you've 500 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: also been doing other stuff. I know for me, Joe, 501 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: I've mentioned this before, but clockify is a great solution 502 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: for me. This is a as browser based as well 503 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: as app based, so you can have it on your 504 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: phone as well, and they're both synchronized. But literally, I 505 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: do this and I track every single minute of the day. 506 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I like to look 507 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: back and see that it's as close to twenty four 508 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: hours as possible. Because sometimes I forget to stop it 509 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: and start it, so I gotta manually enter it in, 510 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: which I do because I'm a nerd. But the reason 511 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I started doing this is because I have seen the 512 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: power of tracking my money. Right. When it comes to budgeting, 513 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: tracking your money is the first step because you can't like, 514 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: how are you going to improve what you spend your 515 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: money on if you don't know where your money is going. 516 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: And so as a hardcore tracker and budget of my money, 517 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: I felt, well, I think the same thing would apply 518 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: to my time, and so do As soon as I 519 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: started doing that, I've been doing that since this past fall. 520 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: Now I can pretty much go back to any single 521 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: day and show you exactly what I've been spending my 522 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: time on that day. But it's helped me to see, 523 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: oh no, I actually have been working a ton or 524 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 1: it allows me to look back and see that like, 525 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: oh man, yeah I have been kind of slack. Yeah 526 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: I can. I can put some more hours in because 527 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I haven't quite worked as much as I know I 528 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: need to. If you're out there and you're a money 529 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: nerd and you're like all the numbers and you know spreadsheets, 530 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: I would totally recommend an app like clock ify. There's 531 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: a few others out there that I haven't tried yet, 532 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: but this is when I started working with and I've 533 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: stuck with it since. Yeah, And I feel like it 534 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: works in the opposite way too, because if you're working 535 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: from home, the lines are more blurred and it's easy 536 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: to kind of keep that computer open and maybe keep 537 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: working or start work earlier. There's no commute time these days, 538 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: so you might find yourself working ten or eleven hours days. 539 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: You might feel inundated, like you can't get away from 540 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: it. It It might feel swamped, but like, how much work 541 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: have you actually done? Were you to just kind of 542 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: like concentrate and smosh all that work together, right, Like, 543 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: what would that look like? Yeah? So I think that 544 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: brings us to another point too, is that we should 545 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 1: avoid multitasking as much as possible. We should definitely be 546 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: tracking our hours so we're not putting in more hours 547 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote at the office right while we're at home. 548 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: But we all think we can multitask. It's kind of innate, 549 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: I think, in in all of us that we think 550 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: we can do multiple things at once and do the 551 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: model capable of that exactly, But most of us were not, 552 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: and pretty much all of us are not, I think, so, yeah, 553 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: best to keep the TV off while you're attempting to 554 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: get work done and not check for news updates every 555 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: five or ten minutes. Yeah, where we're terrible at distracting 556 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,959 Speaker 1: ourselves and then it taking forever to get, you know, 557 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: back on task. I remember from our interview with Kurt 558 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: Steinhorst in his book, but he talked about how Harvard 559 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: m b A when presented with distractions and multitasking, essentially 560 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: that their i Q drops to that of an eight 561 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: year old. And obviously that's not a knock on eight 562 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: year olds. That's just an indication of what we're capable 563 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: of doing when we're distracted, when we're trying to multitask. Yeah, 564 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, man. And another great point that I 565 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: think Kurt brought up when when we had him on 566 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: the show was he talked about communicating, about communicating, which 567 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: I think that was one of our takeaways. It sounds 568 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: like overkill, it sound is ridiculous, but he's so right. 569 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: How can you expect me to communicate? And we talked 570 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: about kind of setting that expectation with your boss now, 571 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: but it's important too, with your coworkers and with members 572 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: of your family, Like, how are we going to communicate now? 573 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: Are we gonna be Marco Polo messaging like twenty times 574 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: a day or are we going to check in with 575 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: each other once or twice a day? And so yeah, 576 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: setting that expectation with the people that are closest to 577 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: you what will help them from getting their feelings hurt 578 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: and will help you from being an unproductive mess right yeah. 579 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: And I mean one of the examples he gave that 580 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: he adopted, and I think a lot of people kind 581 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: of work this way by default, is that if it's 582 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: an email, like I'll probably get back to you sometime 583 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: that day. If it's something that's a little more urgent, 584 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: send me a text, right, Like, that's something that you 585 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: can get back to within like maybe an hour, maybe 586 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: maybe less, but if it's an emergency, will give me 587 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: a call. Um. I feel like these are sort of 588 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: ground rules that a lot of us maybe operate by, 589 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: but actually stating it's and you know, I think especially 590 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: with your loved ones, especially with your family, with your kids, 591 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: you know, with a partner, these these are important steps 592 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: to take to make sure that every ones on the 593 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: same page and you know, Joel, I'm thinking of two, Like, 594 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of folks are working from home, a lot 595 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: more of us are hopping into like FaceTime in the 596 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: zoom calls. If you're unfamiliar with how they work, like, 597 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: we would recommend that you spend a minute or two 598 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,959 Speaker 1: familiarizing yourself with those programs right, like, for example, learn 599 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: how the mute button works. Like you don't want to 600 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: be the person with a barking dog, you know, while 601 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 1: you're on this giant group sales call. Basically, if you 602 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: have technology that you need to be using to be 603 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: professional and to get your job done, make sure you've 604 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: taken the time to know how that technology works, like 605 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: this is now a part of your job. And obviously 606 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure that these are all things that your your 607 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: employer has already you know, explained to you via emails. 608 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: But it's so true. If if you want this to 609 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: be a seamless transition to you working from home, make 610 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: sure that you're doing it well. Yeah, for sure. And Matt, 611 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I think another thing that needs to be talked about. 612 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: One of the greatest disadvantages to working from home is 613 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: loneliness that people can feel. It's like a real issue. 614 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: I think for lots of people when we work from home, 615 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: and especially in a time like this, we feel disconnected 616 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: from our workers. It's just a weird time for all 617 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: of us, and it feels even weirder when we're kind 618 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: of locked into our dwellings most of the day. So 619 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: it's important to mention that non work related zoom meetings 620 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: can be helpful, like a virtual happy hour, work calls 621 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: with your friends that don't involve talking about work, that 622 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: kind of water cooler talk that you would normally get, 623 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: uh at some point during the day in a normal 624 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: in a normal Monday through Friday, you're not getting any 625 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: of that right now, So scheduling those can be really helpful. 626 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: And that's really to focus on your mental health and 627 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: just to kind of have fun and make sure everyone's 628 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: doing all right. Checking in Marco Polo is another kind 629 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: of cool app. It can be distracting if you don't 630 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: use it well, but it's an easy way for you 631 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: to send videos to your friends, coworkers, whatever. You can 632 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: set up like a Marco Polo channel and send fun 633 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: videos throughout the day and maybe have a regular schedule 634 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: that you're going to check those and maybe send something back. 635 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: But yeah, you don't want it to distract you, but 636 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: you also do want to make sure that you're tapping 637 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: into the community of people that are closest to you 638 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: during this time, and and you're not letting loneliness overtake you, 639 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: because that's that's a real threat. Can you sit up 640 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: noted occasions with specific users on Marco Polo. That's a 641 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. I don't know either, because 642 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: like usually turn off notifications for anything, and I go 643 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: into an Apple when I want to take a look exactly. Yeah, 644 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: because well I was thinking about it for us, you know, 645 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: like because I like what's great about Like, I mean, 646 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: this is the second time you mentioned Marco Polo. I 647 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: feel like what's great about this app specifically is that 648 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: it taps into the robustness of a phone call or 649 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: a video chat, right, but at the same time it 650 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,479 Speaker 1: lends the convenience that you get out of a text message, 651 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: and so like you don't have to like hop on 652 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: a call and coordinate your your times with somebody. It's 653 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: there whenever you're able to check it, and so on 654 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: that note, I was thinking, I was like, man, that 655 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: would be something totally great for you and me. To use, 656 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: you know when it comes to talking about things. But 657 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: if you're hopping in there and then you have like 658 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of messages from your family, you know, your 659 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: kids are sending you funny videos that kind of stuff, 660 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: it might be kind of distracting. But you know, that's 661 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: a good point, and I think it is an easier 662 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: way to communicate. It's easier than text. It's so faster. Yeah, 663 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: it's faster exactly. Yeah. So I think, yeah, that can 664 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: be really helpful for lots of people, and it's helpful 665 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: in combating some of that loneliness that a lot of 666 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: people feel like. Literally, I think it's the number one 667 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: downside to working from home. A lot of people get 668 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: their social cups filled at work. You know, for a 669 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: lot of people that the social interactions that they have 670 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 1: with their colleagues are really meaningful. And so to go 671 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: from having that five days a week to nothing, And 672 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: on top of that, if you're in you know, a 673 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: high risk city where you're on lockdown, basically you're not 674 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: hardly seeing anyone. Man like that, that can be really tough. Yeah, yeah, 675 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: for extroverts and an introverts alike, depending on your personality, 676 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: either way, you slice it. It's it's not easy, yeah, Jil. 677 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: One other thing I wanted to mention this is sort 678 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,719 Speaker 1: of I don't know, this might seem obvious for folks, 679 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: but I've found this to be so incredibly helpful working 680 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: from home. You know, we discussed how oftentimes we're distracted 681 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: by like chores. So you're like, oh, I need to 682 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: do laundry. Oh this, you know, I want to be 683 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: able to do this. Oh this is a funny video 684 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: I want to look up, or oh, what's the TV show? 685 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: All these different things that pop in your mind. Right, 686 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Like when you're sitting there at work, just keep a 687 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: running list, just to do list that you hit after 688 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: you're done with work. I feel like I've found for 689 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: me that is just an incredibly simple way for me 690 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: to corral my thoughts and not allow myself to go 691 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: down these rabbit trails when I know I need to 692 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: be working because I'm on the clock for work. I 693 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: got my clockify app ticking. I don't want to use 694 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: that valuable time to you know, look some random fact 695 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: up on Wikipedia. Right, and so I know this sounds simple, 696 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: but just keeping a post it note next to your 697 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: computer or using the reminder's app on your iPhone. Whatever 698 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: it takes for you to have those thoughts, which that's 699 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: totally fine, document them, but then continue to stay focused 700 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: on the task at hand. So helpful. Yeah, man, I know, 701 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: I think that's great. And I feel like one of 702 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: the biggest challenges right now facing people is is working 703 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: from home with other people around. Yeah again, three square 704 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: foot apartments where you're living, sleepy and the eating. That 705 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: sounds like that's a nightmare, dude, Yeah, exactly. So Yeah, 706 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: working with a partner or with kids until especially kids 707 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: who have to learn. I mean, there are a billion 708 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: kids across the world right now out of school, so crazy, 709 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: and it's affecting parents and working with a partner and 710 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: almost similar level of difficulty in some situations. And so 711 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: we'll get to to some thoughts that we have for 712 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: making it a little bit easier to to handle that. 713 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: Right after the break, Yes, we're back from the break. 714 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: We were discussing working from home without going crazy, and Joel, 715 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: if it wasn't already enough of a challenge for us 716 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: to work from home when you're not used to it, 717 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: working from home with kids or with others in your 718 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: home makes things even harder. N let's there are three 719 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: or four kids and helping them figure out their school 720 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: work into this mix. Yeah, seriously, it's not like summer 721 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: break because in all likelihood, yeah, you have to actually 722 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: facilitate helping them learn something in all the places you 723 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: would normally go during summer break, they're closed. Yeah, and sorry, 724 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: you can't play with your friends either, right, it's like 725 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: the worse cemrification of all times play dates or no go. Yeah, 726 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: it's like, great, this is an ideal, but let's talk 727 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: about a few things that can make this process go smoother, 728 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: because who knows, this really might be our life for 729 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: a little while longer, Joel, one of the things that 730 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: I've implemented over the past few weeks here is shifting 731 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: my work schedule to the evenings, and so we all 732 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: have fewer if any commitments or appointments on our calendars 733 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: these days. I don't know about you, but that's how 734 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: my calendar has been looking. Yeah, it's it's gone pretty bare, 735 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: and uh, you know what, I'm kind of okay with that, really, 736 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because you are like total extrovert, 737 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: and so for me to see my calendar completely open 738 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: up like that, it's kind of liberating and I kind 739 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: of feel at ease, but I feel like I could 740 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: see you maybe kind of getting a little ainsy. No, 741 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I miss hang out with friends, but I 742 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: don't miss all the obligations that I have in a 743 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: normal week. So that's kind of actually been nice. And 744 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: you've got me. Well, there's that. There's always that. Is 745 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: that worth mentioning to you. I wonder if people wondered 746 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: if we're recording in person or not because we are, 747 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: like you and I were sitting across from each other. 748 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: But it's worth mentioning that, you know, both of our families. 749 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: We talked about this at the very beginning of the quarantine, 750 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: and we committed to being uber safe and distant from 751 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: other people. That way, you and I could continue to 752 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: work in person. That way our families can still hang out. 753 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: Like we're still taking precautions, but we knew that we 754 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: wanted to be able to continue to podcast, and so 755 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: to that end, you and I were being extra extra safe. Yeah, exactly. Sorry, 756 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: that's just a little aside that popped into my head. 757 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: But I'm glad to see that you're you're taking you know, 758 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: your events, your obligation is being canceled. Uh and stride, Yeah, 759 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: I am. But back to what I was saying, right, 760 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,719 Speaker 1: like shifting your work to the evenings, in particular, if 761 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: you have kids at home who you are caring for, 762 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: look to the hours after bedtime to get your work done. 763 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of folks have already maybe even 764 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: realized this just out of necessity, but that's something that 765 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: we've definitely implemented it and I've seen the value in that. 766 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: My My typical work hours are from like nine to 767 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: four thirty. I try to kick off by four thirty. 768 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: I joined Kate with helping out the kids, you know, 769 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: in the late afternoon it can get kind of crazy. 770 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: But since the girls haven't been in school, I've shifted 771 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: to working typically from noon to four, and then we've 772 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: got all afternoon together, including dinner, and then I work 773 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: from seven until ten, So that leaves me, you know, 774 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: the entire morning to do fun stuff with the girls, 775 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: whether that's going bike rides, go hiking, just reading books, 776 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: help participating in their class activities. Which, man, I don't 777 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: know your thoughts, but I feel like that the schools 778 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: have totally stepped up, you know, like we are facilitating 779 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: they're learning, but it's not like we have to come 780 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: up with the entire curriculum. Um. They've totally been stepping 781 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: in and I've really been impressed with the implementation of 782 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: technology when it comes to them continuing their education. I 783 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: think there's so many different people that you probably appreciated 784 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: in everyday life, but now you're starting to see their 785 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: value come shine through even more. And teachers are definitely 786 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: one of those places where we were in love with 787 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: our kids teachers. They were awesome, but I feel like 788 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: we've loved them on another level right as they're stepping 789 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: up their games, sending us curriculum, staying in touch, all 790 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: the all the effort they're putting in to helping us 791 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: figure out how to do online learning right now, it's 792 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: been great. Yeah, Juel, I couldn't agree more. So. A 793 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: good way to approach shifting your hours is to figure 794 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: out when it's completely necessary for you to be on 795 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: the clock with your employer, because chances are there's you know, 796 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: a few points during the day when you need to 797 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: be responsive, when you need to be on some non 798 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: negotiable hours exactly. Yeah, yeah, And so when that happens, 799 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: you know that like Okay, I definitely need to be 800 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: on during that period, But do I necessarily need to 801 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: start working at eight or do I need to actually 802 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: go until, you know, five o'clock every single day. Find 803 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: ways to proactively alter those hours and draw hard boundaries 804 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: around those hours and and pick that time up later. 805 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: You know, you wanna be able to take advantage to 806 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: some of this time that you have at home. It's 807 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: fun to be able to like go on daytime adventures 808 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: with your spouse, you know, like how cool would it 809 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: be to go with your girlfriend or your boyfriend and 810 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: maybe go hiking during the day when normally you would 811 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: never be able to do that on a Tuesday. But 812 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: now you can take advantage of some of that beautiful 813 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: daylight that we've got these days. And in order to 814 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: do that, you can clock some more time in the evening. Yeah, Matt, 815 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: And make sure you communicate that with your boss, because 816 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: hopefully your boss is understanding and and things do need 817 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: to be a little more flexible, especially if you have 818 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: kids right now, and so hopefully your boss is willing 819 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: to work for you. I think trying to find that 820 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: happy medium where you can shift your work hours to 821 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: work better for your family right now is really helpful. 822 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: And Matt, you mentioned getting outside. You've mentioned taking hikes, 823 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: and I think that's really important too. I think developing 824 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: a rhythm right now of kind of doing some more 825 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: outdoor activities can be really helpful, especially because this is 826 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: starting to feel more like a marathon than it is 827 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: a sprint. Right this this quarantine that we're experiencing, we're 828 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 1: not sure exactly when things are gonna change and we're 829 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna go back to kind of a more normal routine 830 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: when schools are going to reopen and when we're gonna 831 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: be going back into the office, and so kind of 832 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: making sure that we make time for physical activity is huge. 833 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: So each morning, you know, my wife Emily, she's been 834 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: leading the kids in yoga and there's this Cosmic Kids 835 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: Yoga and you can watch their videos for free on YouTube. 836 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: That's been huge for our kids to like use their 837 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: bodies in the morning, get a little bit of that 838 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: rowdy physical energy out before they have to sit down 839 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: and kind of start doing some schoolwork. So yeah, anyway 840 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: that you can get outside, any way that you can 841 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: you know, get a little physical is going to be 842 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: I think helpful in helping you focus on your work 843 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: throughout the day when that's needed. Yeah, jo And I 844 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: think another benefit of maybe some activities like that, like 845 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: like of specific activities that you're spending with your family 846 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 1: or with a significant other, is that you're being very 847 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: intentional with your time, right, Because when you know that 848 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: the time that you're taking off, like these different breaks 849 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: that you're taking, that you're doing something meaningful with it, 850 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: then I feel, for me, I've got less guilt when 851 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: it does come time to work. Right. This kind of 852 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: goes back to, uh, making sure that you're not multitasking 853 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: where you're doing everything really poorly. When you're able to 854 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: focus on specific tasks and you know, really create some 855 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: quality time with your family, then when the time does 856 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: come that you need to get back to work, you 857 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: can go to that work completely guilt free. You can 858 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: really focus on it knowing that the time that you 859 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: haven't been working, you you spent it well, right. And 860 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: So I think as much as possible, regardless of how 861 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: you're spending your time, whether you're spending that working or 862 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: with your family, make sure that you're kind of giving it, 863 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: You're all that you're giving Joel on something else, I 864 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: think that's really important you know, so when you have 865 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: to get work done during the day, is that it's 866 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: important to create just different systems where you can easily 867 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: communicate with others, but kids, especially when it is that 868 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: you are working and when you're going to be free, right, 869 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,280 Speaker 1: something as simple as a visual que can be helpful. 870 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: You know, like maybe you say, like, hey, when the 871 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: office door is closed, like that's when I have to 872 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: be working. You can't interrupt me. Then maybe a closed 873 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: office door might be more effective to other adults or 874 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: maybe roommates that you're living with, but maybe less so 875 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: with kids. But some friends of ours they created a 876 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,760 Speaker 1: simple green light red light situation just at a construction 877 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: paper to let their kids know that they couldn't interrupt 878 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: or ask questions when the red light was out. That 879 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: the kids knew that when they saw a red light, 880 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: that meant that Monty was on a very important call 881 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: and you could not step into the office. You couldn't 882 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: go into that room at that point. But when she 883 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: switched it to the green light, that meant you can 884 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: come on in, you know, like that's time when you 885 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: can interrupt. And obviously, you know, if there's an emergency, 886 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: like the kids know that they can go in there whenever. 887 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: But especially for kids, I think it can be really 888 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: helpful to have just these simple cues, these simple, you know, 889 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: visual reminders that they can see that tells them when 890 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: it's time to work and when it's time to play. Yeah, man, 891 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: that's super helpful. Visual cues for everyone involved can make 892 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: a big difference. Also, too, it's just really important to 893 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: kind of accept the reality of the situation. We're basically 894 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: in an unprecedented scenario that none of us have ever 895 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: experienced before, and we don't really know how to deal 896 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: with it. We're all kind of doing the best we 897 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: can and we're trying to figure it out. So it's actually, 898 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 1: if you have kids at home that you're responsible for, 899 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: basically we all need to be okay getting a little 900 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: bit less done, being less productive because we need to 901 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: be there for our kids at the same time. And 902 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 1: that's okay, right. Our world obviously looks vastly different than 903 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: it did a couple of months ago, so it's important 904 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: to cut yourself from slack, realizing that your productivity level 905 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: might not be on point like it typically is when 906 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: you're in the office. Um, but yeah, there is a 907 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: certain amount of reality that needs to be faced, Matt, 908 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: as our work environments have completely changed and kind of 909 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: what our days look like are crazy different than they 910 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: normally would be. Yeah, man, I couldn't agree more. It's 911 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: it's important for us to not only be gracious with others, 912 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: but certainly with ourselves as well. Bottom line, man, is 913 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: that working from home is great, right Like this is 914 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: coming from someone who's done it for twelve years now, 915 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: but it comes with trade offs. There's no commune, but 916 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: there's also less camaraderie and there's less company culture that 917 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna experience when you're sitting by yourself at home, 918 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: and working from home feels less awesome when we don't 919 00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: have a choice in the matter, you know, obviously in 920 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: this case due to the coronavirus. Coronavirus yeah, and ruins 921 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: everything and we're you know, remote all the time right now, 922 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: Like that is probably gonna be less desirable for folks 923 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: who are thinking like I wouldn't mind is working from 924 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: home like one or two days a week, but three 925 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: solid weeks in a row. That's a lot. But by 926 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 1: implementing some of these tactics, we can make it less 927 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: difficult and it will allow us to settle into a 928 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: groove so that we can do this for as long 929 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: as it's going to be required. Yeah, So best of 930 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: luck to all of you out there doing your best 931 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: to wade through this kind of new way of life 932 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,320 Speaker 1: for the time being, and especially if you have kids, 933 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: best of luck helping them with their schoolwork, getting stuff done, 934 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 1: getting food on the table, getting laundry done, all these things. 935 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: But hopefully these tips can be can be a help 936 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: so that you can do each one of those things 937 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: at least reasonably. Well, all right, Matt, let's get back 938 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: to the beer we had on the show today, A 939 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: beer called same as it ever was, even though everything 940 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: is completely different. This was an I p A by 941 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: Monday Night brewing. What was your take on a man, Well, 942 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you my thoughts, may but I wanted to 943 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: mention and address the fact that, like, we know that 944 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: this is the name of the song. Knew that this 945 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: was the name of a Talking Head song, right, not 946 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: until you told me. As the days go by the buddy, 947 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: I've heard the song, but I didn't know that was 948 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: the name. I think I was a little a little 949 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 1: sharp there, you know, if they would if they would 950 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 1: go for hooting the blowfish references instead, I would totally 951 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: get it, which they might never do. Actually they're too 952 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: cool for that. Yeah, but this is a fantastic New 953 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: England style I p A. It was super hazy, right, 954 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: This is one of those cloudy New England I p 955 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: a S that the cloudiness it lends us off to 956 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: a beer that has like that silky smooth mouse texture, 957 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: so like you're drinking it tastes fantastic. You've got all 958 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: those tropical hop notes in there. Uh, and you've got 959 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: less to me, You've got less of that that sharp, 960 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: funky hop nous. In my mind, this is like one 961 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: of those more juicy I p a s as opposed 962 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: to the sharper, funkier ones. I don't really discriminate like 963 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: all the beers, but yeah, this is one that I 964 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: particularly enjoyed. Buddy, how about you. Yeah, they've been putting 965 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: out some really awesome new I p a s and 966 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: they've all kind of hop hut series. Yeah, and in 967 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: my mind, I feel like each new release is better 968 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: than the last, like they're they continually are getting better, 969 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: Like they're making the best beers they've ever made right now, 970 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think this was my favorite of 971 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: their recent hot putt offerings. It was perfectly balanced. And 972 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: by balanced, I mean imagine a seesaw and this enormous 973 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: sack or multiple sacks of hops come down on one 974 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 1: side and toss you up in the air because you 975 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: were standing on the other side of the seesaw. That 976 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like balance, though, it sounds like a catapult. 977 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: It's my idea of good balance though when it comes 978 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: to a hoppy beer, just an insane amount of hops. 979 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, this was really good. I guess once you 980 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: land back down, your body weight offsets the sacks of hops. Yeah, 981 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: and then you're cool exactly. I don't know that was 982 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: the mental picture. I got tons of hops, so good. 983 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: Monday night beers have just gotten ridiculous these days. So yeah, 984 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: they're definitely a solid brewery here in Atlanta. If any 985 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: of our listeners are here in Atlanta, stay tuned because 986 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: maybe at some point, once we break free of the 987 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: shackles of quarantine, we'll set up a little maybe a 988 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 1: little get together over there at Monday night. But until then, 989 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: if you're out on about and you're able to, yeah, 990 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: swing by their support them as well as all of 991 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: your favorite local breweries. They all need some extra these days, 992 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: with their tap rooms, with their tasting rooms closed. Just 993 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: like a lot of the small businesses we love, we cherish. 994 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: We want these breweries to stick it through and to 995 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: emerge on the other side of this crazy time that 996 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: we find ourselves in. Yeah. Man, I can only imagine 997 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: the parties of celebrations that people are going to have, 998 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: you know, when this is is kind of moved past us, 999 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, and I think, you know what, how the money, 1000 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna have a big get together one of these 1001 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: breweries and just freaking celebrate and have some great beers. 1002 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 1: And I hope this one's on draft the day that 1003 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: we visit. There can be a party, but we need 1004 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 1: to make sure it's not too soon. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 1005 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: Don't be don't do it too soon, man. I bet 1006 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: they'll be like a federal holiday, like once the quarantine 1007 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 1: has been officially lifted. I mean, seriously, there's never been 1008 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 1: something this massive that have that has affected the lives 1009 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: of so many people. You're right, there could be like 1010 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: a national holiday for there's gotta be It'll be like 1011 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: Independence Day. What if it does happen on July four? 1012 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I hope it's before July four, but 1013 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: if it lasts that long, that's not good. Yeah, we'll 1014 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: see buddy. All right, Well, Matt, that's gonna do it 1015 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: for this episode. And for folks that want more of 1016 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,400 Speaker 1: our stuff, go back and listen to our backlog on 1017 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: your podcatcher, or check us out on our website and 1018 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: find our show notes at how to money dot com. 1019 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: Also up there on the website are going to be 1020 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: some helpful articles. For instance, we've got a few credit 1021 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: card articles. One is you know the right credit card 1022 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: to get based on how you spend your money. There's 1023 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: also another one up there as well that covers our 1024 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: favorite you know the best balanced transfer credit cards. And 1025 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: these are credit cards that you can sign up for 1026 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: that will give you a zero percent introductory rate. And 1027 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: so a lot of us are in these tougher times, 1028 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: and while we do not encourage credit card debt, having 1029 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,399 Speaker 1: a credit card at zero percent is a nice thing 1030 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: to have in your personal finance arsenal. Yeah, for sure. 1031 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: All right, Matt, Until next time, Best Friends Out, Best 1032 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: Friends Out.