WEBVTT - Inside the Senate All-Nighter Passing the One Big Beautiful Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're doing a hybrid show this morning with the

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Ferguson podcast as well because I'm on family vacation

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<v Speaker 2>in Cabo. But when the Big Beautiful Bill happens, you

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<v Speaker 2>do exactly what we're doing right now, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>give you the latest, no matter where we are in

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<v Speaker 2>the world of what's happening and how we got the

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<v Speaker 2>deal done. Center, I have a feeling you are running

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<v Speaker 2>on a very little sleep. Did you pull the all nighter?

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely did you and I are recording this podcast

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<v Speaker 3>at ten thirty seven pm Texas time on Tuesday night.

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<v Speaker 3>I last slept on Sunday night. We were up at

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<v Speaker 3>nine am Monday morning. On the Senate floor, we began

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<v Speaker 3>consideration of the One Big Beautiful Bill under the reconciliation procedures.

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<v Speaker 3>When you take up reconciliation, which as you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>and I have talked about before, is the principal exception

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<v Speaker 3>to the Senate filibuster rule. The ordinary rule in the

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<v Speaker 3>Senate is you need sixty votes to pass legislation, but

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<v Speaker 3>budget reconciliation is a special process that you can pass

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<v Speaker 3>legislation with only fifty votes. But part of budget reconciliation

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<v Speaker 3>is you have unlimited amendments, and that whole process is

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<v Speaker 3>what's known as vot rama. We started at nine am

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<v Speaker 3>Monday morning. We went all day Monday, we went all

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<v Speaker 3>night Monday, we went all morning Tuesday, and we finished

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing at right about noon on Tuesday. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I went and headed to the airport, got at

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<v Speaker 3>a one o'clock flight, flew back to Texas. I'm home

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<v Speaker 3>tonight in Texas and have yet to go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>As soon as we finish this podcast, I am going

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<v Speaker 3>to I've got a date with my bed, and I

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<v Speaker 3>intend to be unconscious, very very soon.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for you, but welcome to how the

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<v Speaker 2>sausage is made. So I have a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I know everybody else is wanting to ask the same

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<v Speaker 2>thing before we get into what is in the bill

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<v Speaker 2>when this voter rama is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>You're one of the youngest guys in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>Your stamina is a little bit better, I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>just ags and others. Do people sleep in their offices?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys hang out? Do you decide to have dinner?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you order pizzas. Do you guys go to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the basement rooms that you guys have? How tell

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<v Speaker 2>us how everybody feels the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So, yes, all of the above. And there is a

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<v Speaker 3>wide age variation in the Senate. I'm fifty four, I

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<v Speaker 3>can pull an all nighter and I'm just fine. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck Grassley is ninety. We've got a bunch of senators

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<v Speaker 3>who are in their eighties. And I will tell you,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly for the older senators doing an all nighter weighs

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<v Speaker 3>upon them. This was the longest voterama in history. Some

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<v Speaker 3>of this was Democrat delays. Some of this was just

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that that Senate Republican leadership was scrambling to

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<v Speaker 3>get the bill ready. One of the things to understand

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<v Speaker 3>is the timeframe of this bill moved very quickly because

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump announced he wanted this done by July fourth,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was leaning on Senate leadership and House leaders

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<v Speaker 3>to get it done. And so during the day we're

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<v Speaker 3>taking I think we took something like forty seven votes

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<v Speaker 3>in the twenty seven hours it took. And so there

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<v Speaker 3>are periods of downtime. There are periods in between a

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<v Speaker 3>vote when they're preparing the next vote, where they're revising statutes,

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<v Speaker 3>revising amendments, they're also getting determinations from the Senate Parliamentarian.

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<v Speaker 3>They're also getting scores. In order to have an amendment,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to get a score, which is the Joint

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<v Speaker 3>Committee on Taxation or the Congressional Budget Office will determine

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<v Speaker 3>how much a particular provision will cost or how much

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<v Speaker 3>it will save. Before you can vote on it in

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<v Speaker 3>voter rama, you have to get that score. So during

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<v Speaker 3>the day, yes, there are senators who are sitting back

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<v Speaker 3>in the cloakroom, sleeping, either on a couch or in

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<v Speaker 3>a chair. They're senators who go down to their hideaways.

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<v Speaker 3>Every senator has what's called a hideaway, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>smaller office in the US Capitol building. And most of

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<v Speaker 3>us have a couch or two couches in the high away.

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<v Speaker 3>And so senators would go and you know, get a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty minute nap there. But and you would see you

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<v Speaker 3>would see pages kind of a sleep behind the Senate floor.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going long and furious. In terms of food, the

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<v Speaker 3>food tends to be fairly lousy. It's kind of different.

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<v Speaker 3>People host it. They'll bring in they'll bring in pizzas,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll bring in sandwiches. One tradition that I started when

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<v Speaker 3>I first got to the Senate is anytime we do

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<v Speaker 3>an all night vodama, in the morning, I bring in

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<v Speaker 3>McDonald's breakfast and I just give it to all the

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<v Speaker 3>Republican senators. So I had seventy five egg mcmuffins and

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<v Speaker 3>sausage m mcmuffins and breakfast burritos that just showed up

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<v Speaker 3>about five point thirty in the morning. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I got to say, there are few things

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<v Speaker 3>better after an all night or than than than Mickey

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<v Speaker 3>D's breakfast. And I'll tell you ben some advice. And

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<v Speaker 3>an old friend of mine gave me always always always

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<v Speaker 3>pick up the breakfast check and you get you get

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<v Speaker 3>some good will from you exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right? So do you guys hang out kind of

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<v Speaker 1>in groups?

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked this because like everybody kind of has

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<v Speaker 2>their friends group that they hang out with, do you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of have a text thread and say, hey, we're

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<v Speaker 2>all over here, Hey, what do you want to do now?

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked this for another reason. There are different

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<v Speaker 2>centers that like to play different games. You, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>love to play foosball.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There there is a foosball table somewhere in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys like have games like that while you're

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<v Speaker 2>just waiting in between?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's mostly just sitting around. Sometimes you'll be

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<v Speaker 3>sitting on the Senate floor at your desk. Sometimes you'll

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<v Speaker 3>be standing in the back of the Senate floor. In

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<v Speaker 3>the back of the Senate it's what's called the cloakroom.

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<v Speaker 3>The cloakroom has a couple of couches and probably twenty

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<v Speaker 3>kind of big comfy chairs. A lot of us will

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<v Speaker 3>sit back in the cloakroom, and then people will sort

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<v Speaker 3>of huddle at different places. But it it is a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. I mean, you you hang out tipic with

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<v Speaker 3>the folks that are your closest friends. But look, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not that big a body. They're only one hundred of us,

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<v Speaker 3>So you end up hanging out with a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>your colleagues throughout the course of twenty seven hours.

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<v Speaker 1>In a weird way.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it kind of nice to see the Senate and

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<v Speaker 2>come together in that way where you can actually be

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<v Speaker 2>friendlier with somebody and chat with it. Does it build

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<v Speaker 2>relationships at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Long term?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? Sure? I guess I wouldn't mind doing it

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<v Speaker 3>without the all nighter at this point. You know, when

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<v Speaker 3>I was nineteen twenty twenty one, I probably pulled one

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<v Speaker 3>or two all nighters a week in college. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in a stage in life where I'm not eager

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<v Speaker 3>to do all nighters anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, How close were we to this bill being

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<v Speaker 2>in jeopardy? I asked that because there was a headline

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<v Speaker 2>that came out and then it started kind of being

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<v Speaker 2>run around nine o'clock yesterday evening, eight o'clock Central. It

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<v Speaker 2>set up to six GP centers hold out on the

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<v Speaker 2>big beautiful bill, and there was word that the president

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<v Speaker 2>was working the phones. Was that a bunch to do

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<v Speaker 2>about nothing? Or was it really whipping votes happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the evening?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely throughout the whole process, this was incredibly close. It

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<v Speaker 3>was nip and tuck. I'll tell you. Tuesday morning, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we thought maybe we're going to get out there five

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<v Speaker 3>or six in the morning. So I originally had an

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<v Speaker 3>eight to twenty flight. Well, eight twenty came and went.

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<v Speaker 3>Then I had an eleven am flight, and eleven am

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<v Speaker 3>came and went. I ended up getting on a one

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<v Speaker 3>pm flight, and so that and that was true for

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<v Speaker 3>everyone You had senators who for Fourth of July, one

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<v Speaker 3>of my colleagues was going to Hawaii, his wife and

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<v Speaker 3>kids were already there. You had people flying all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place for Fourth of July, but nobody could leave.

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<v Speaker 3>So they're canceling their plans because we were supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be out this weekend. And this dragged on longer. And

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<v Speaker 3>part of the reason it dragged on longer is it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't clear where the votes are. And so let me

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<v Speaker 3>talk about some of the elements of what's in this bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably the single most important thing that is in this

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<v Speaker 3>bill is we extend the twenty seventeen Trump tax cuts.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a big deal. When we passed those tax cuts,

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<v Speaker 3>we passed them under reconciliation, but they only lasted They

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<v Speaker 3>were only scheduled to last ten years, and so if

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<v Speaker 3>we did nothing on December thirty first of this year,

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<v Speaker 3>the tax cuts would expire, which meant on January first,

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<v Speaker 3>there would be an automatic four trillion dollar tax increase.

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<v Speaker 3>Your taxes would go up, My taxes would go up,

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<v Speaker 3>the taxes of working Americans across this country would go up.

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<v Speaker 3>That would have been devastating to the country, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we had to pass this bill to extend the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>tax cuts. Beyond that, we made historic investments in securing

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<v Speaker 3>the border. We put one hundred and fifty billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>into securing the border, into building the wall, hiring border

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<v Speaker 3>patrol agents, hiring ice agents, building detention facilities and detention.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an investment. There's never been an investment like

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<v Speaker 3>this at this order of magnitude. One of the great

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<v Speaker 3>mandates out of this election was secure the border, and

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<v Speaker 3>this bill provides the funding to enable President Trump to

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<v Speaker 3>continue doing so. That is absolutely historic. On top of that,

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<v Speaker 3>we also had a massive investment into rebuilding our military,

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<v Speaker 3>an additional one hundred and fifty billion dollars into our

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<v Speaker 3>military to bring it into the twenty first century, and

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<v Speaker 3>in particular to invest in things like hypersonic weaponry, to

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<v Speaker 3>invest in more subs, to invest in more ships, to

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<v Speaker 3>invest in the Golden Dome, which President Trump rightly is advocating,

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<v Speaker 3>missile defense for the homeland to keep us safe. That

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<v Speaker 3>investment is in there as well. Incredibly important. Another component

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<v Speaker 3>of that is investing in the Coastcard twenty four billion

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<v Speaker 3>dollars in investments in the coast Guard. That means, among

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<v Speaker 3>other things, building new polar ice breakers. Right now, China

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<v Speaker 3>is kicking our tails in the Arctic, and and this

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<v Speaker 3>is going to bring ship building back to this country

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<v Speaker 3>and give us the ability to build ships here at

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<v Speaker 3>home and have icebreakers so that we can defend our

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<v Speaker 3>national security. All of those investments are enormously important.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Centater One that I think one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most important things about this bill, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that you advocated for and I've advocated for, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's something the present very clearly ran on, was making

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump tax cuts permanent. This was a massive tax

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<v Speaker 2>cut for the American people. Now, I know the media

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to talk about that. I know they want

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<v Speaker 2>to say that none of this is going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a major impact on our economy, but it is in

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<v Speaker 2>a ginormous way, especially for lower and middle class Americans.

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<v Speaker 2>How catistraphic would it have been if this bill did

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<v Speaker 2>not get passed When it comes to just basic tax policy,

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<v Speaker 2>in these skyrocking taxes, without this.

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<v Speaker 3>Bill, well, look, a four trillion dollar tax increase would

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<v Speaker 3>have been enormously detrimental to the economy. Many of those

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<v Speaker 3>taxes were on small businesses, their business to tax deductions

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<v Speaker 3>for things like investing in new factories, investing in new equipment,

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<v Speaker 3>and those deductions produced jobs, They raise wages, they incentivized

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<v Speaker 3>deploying capital, and so if those taxes were to go up,

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<v Speaker 3>you would end up seeing jobs go away. In twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 3>when we passed the Trump tax cuts, we saw enormous

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<v Speaker 3>economic prosperity. We saw the lowest unemployment in fifty years,

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<v Speaker 3>and the lowest Black unemployment ever recorded, the lowest Hispanic

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<v Speaker 3>unemployment ever recorded. And so if we did nothing, we

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<v Speaker 3>would reverse those gains by having a massive tax increase. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>ben the Democrats talking point, which every one of them

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<v Speaker 3>said throughout this process, and which the media repeated, is

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<v Speaker 3>this is tax cuts for billionaires. Now, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>give you a hyper technical legal term for what that

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<v Speaker 3>line is. That would be called a lie. What this

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<v Speaker 3>did is maintained current tax rates. So the lie that

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<v Speaker 3>it's tax cuts for billionaires is the Democrats say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if we do nothing, there's going to be a massive

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<v Speaker 3>tax cut on everyone, a tax increase on everyone. And

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<v Speaker 3>since this kept the tax rates exactly the same as

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<v Speaker 3>they are today, the Democrats and media lie and say

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<v Speaker 3>that's a massive tax cuts for billionaires. Everyone is paying

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<v Speaker 3>the same rates. But as you rightly noted, where we

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<v Speaker 3>provided additional tax relief was not at the top end

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<v Speaker 3>of the income scale, but it was middle class and working.

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<v Speaker 3>It was President Trump's blue collar agenda. So what are

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<v Speaker 3>some of the new tax cuts that are in this provision?

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, no tax on tips. That's my legislation. I

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<v Speaker 3>wrote that legislation that is in this bill. That's going

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<v Speaker 3>to benefit waiters and waitresses and bartenders and barbers and

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<v Speaker 3>hair stylists and taxicab drivers and everyone who's working and

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<v Speaker 3>getting compensated on tipped income. That is real and meaningful relief.

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<v Speaker 3>Also included in this is no tax on overtime, and

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<v Speaker 3>also included in this as tax relief for seniors getting

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<v Speaker 3>solid security. All of those those are not going to

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<v Speaker 3>millionaires and billionaires. They're going to working Americans. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>the Joint Committee on Taxation put out an analysis of

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<v Speaker 3>the distributional impacts of these tax cuts. They found that

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<v Speaker 3>people making less than fifteen thousand dollars a year would

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<v Speaker 3>get a sixteen point four percent cut in taxes, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're paying very little. People making between fifteen thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>thirty thousand a year would get a twenty seven point

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<v Speaker 3>one percent cut, people making between thirty thousand and forty

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<v Speaker 3>thousand a year would get a nine point five percent cut,

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<v Speaker 3>and people making forty thousand to fifty thousand a year

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<v Speaker 3>would get a seven point two percent cut. So those

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<v Speaker 3>are our real and meaningful tax relief. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>those numbers compared to the impact for people at the

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<v Speaker 3>top end, those making over a million, was three percent.

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<v Speaker 3>And mind you, that's not a cut for them. That's

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<v Speaker 3>just saying that they don't have their taxes skyrocket automatically.

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<v Speaker 3>They stay at exactly the same level they are today.

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<v Speaker 3>Those that is real, meaningful middle class tax relief.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you go back to the campaign and that

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<v Speaker 2>legislation that you just mentioned, the no tax on tips,

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<v Speaker 2>and Donald Trump talked about how he wrote it down

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<v Speaker 2>in a napkin after I think it was, if I

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<v Speaker 2>remember correctly, outing in Nevada, yep. And they was just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a great idea I'm gonna write down. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in Vegas, and there's so many people in

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<v Speaker 2>Vegas that work on tips. I can't tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>many different people have talked to me about this that

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<v Speaker 2>work in an industry that heavily revolves around tips. Uber

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<v Speaker 2>and lyft drivers are a great example of that. I've

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of them talk to me about it.

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<v Speaker 2>When they find out what you do, They're like, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 2>this would change my life because it would it would

0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:15.800
<v Speaker 2>allow me to keep so much more of my own

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<v Speaker 2>money while you're trying to make it. If you've food delivery,

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<v Speaker 2>you do it. I do it right, Uber Eats, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it may be. That's another example of where this can

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<v Speaker 2>have a huge impact on someone giving them an instant

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<v Speaker 2>pay raise, especially when you need it. Look, I taught

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<v Speaker 2>tennis for years and tips are a large part of

0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.920
<v Speaker 2>your salary. You knew that, but like you want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about giving Americans an instant pay raise, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>you're starting out or you're living more paycheck to paycheck.

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<v Speaker 2>This could have a catastrophic positive impact on our overall economy,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for people in these jobs. I don't think people

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<v Speaker 2>understand what a big differences can make.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's gonna make a big difference to a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people who need the relief. And I've had the

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<v Speaker 3>same experience where people really see that. As President Trump

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<v Speaker 3>and a Republican Congress delivering on our promises. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>there are other elements in this bill. I got to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you I'm particularly gratified because I had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of big victories that are included in this bill. So

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<v Speaker 3>I mentioned no tax on tips. That's my legislation that's

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<v Speaker 3>in there. We've talked before about spectrum wireless. Now, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>what does that mean? Every electronic device you have, your

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<v Speaker 3>cell phone, Wi Fi, your laptops, streaming, satellite, everything operates

0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:43.720
<v Speaker 3>over electromagnetic spectrum, and different bandwidths are assigned to different

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<v Speaker 3>forms of communication. Of the most valuable spectrum, the midband spectrum,

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government controls sixty percent of it. I wrote

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<v Speaker 3>into this bill a mandate that the federal government must

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<v Speaker 3>auction off to the private sector eight hundred megahertz of spectrum.

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<v Speaker 3>Now what does that mean. That's going to do a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things. Number One, that's going to generate about

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred billion dollars to the federal government. That's real

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<v Speaker 3>money that goes to the taxpayers that can pay down

0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.520
<v Speaker 3>our debt, pay down the lower the deficit. Those are

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<v Speaker 3>real dollars that come into the federal government. But I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you, Ben, that's not the biggest advantage. The biggest

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<v Speaker 3>advantage is it is going to unleash billions of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>of new investment and create hundreds of thousands of jobs

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<v Speaker 3>because this is about winning the race for six G

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<v Speaker 3>and beating China. And I got to tell you three

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<v Speaker 3>months ago, nobody in Washington thought we would get spectrum

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<v Speaker 3>auction in this bill. I wrote it. It's in there,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is going to have a massive job creation impact.

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<v Speaker 3>That's in this bill.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about. No one thought it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in there. There was a lot of people lobbying

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<v Speaker 2>trying to keep that out, and you stuck to your

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<v Speaker 2>guns on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part of the I think the success story of

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<v Speaker 1>this bill.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. And I will tell you Ben, the two

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<v Speaker 3>provisions that personally I care the most about that are

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<v Speaker 3>in this bill that I think will be transformational our

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<v Speaker 3>school choice and the Trump accounts. Both of those were

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<v Speaker 3>my legislation that I wrote. And I told this story

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<v Speaker 3>of the podcast. A little over a month ago. Senate

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans we all went on a retreat and we were

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<v Speaker 3>talking about the Reconciliation Bill and what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I stood up and I said to my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, listen, there are a lot of big and

0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.520
<v Speaker 3>important things that we're doing in this bill, that we

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.240
<v Speaker 3>need to do in this bill, and I think that's good.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's great. We auto at least pause

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<v Speaker 3>and ask about legacy. Ask about what lasting difference we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to make. Ask about in ten, twenty thirty years,

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<v Speaker 3>what are people going to remember that is in this bill?

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<v Speaker 3>And I made the case to my colleagues for two

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<v Speaker 3>different provisions, neither one of which were in the bill

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. Number one school choice and number two

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<v Speaker 3>Trump accounts. Let's start with Trump accounts. Under this bill,

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<v Speaker 3>the federal government will create a private investment account for

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<v Speaker 3>every child in America, and it will seed that account

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<v Speaker 3>with one thousand dollars for every newborn child in America.

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<v Speaker 3>That money, then, parents and friends and family can invest

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<v Speaker 3>every year in a tax advantage vehicle. That money is

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<v Speaker 3>invested in the S and P. Five hundred to broad

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<v Speaker 3>based equity. There are two massive advantages of this. Number one,

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<v Speaker 3>every child in America is going to experience the incredible

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<v Speaker 3>benefits of compound growth. What does that mean? Little girl

0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.040
<v Speaker 3>is born, next year she's born, she has this private

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.880
<v Speaker 3>investment account open for her. It's seeded with one thousand dollars,

0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 3>and her parents or family or parents employers contribute five

0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:51.119
<v Speaker 3>thousand a year every year. If you assume the historical

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<v Speaker 3>rate of growth of the S and P five hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>which is seven percent, by the time that little girl

0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.560
<v Speaker 3>turns eighteen, she will have one hun one hundred and

0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:05.119
<v Speaker 3>seventy thousand dollars in that account. And if she continues

0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 3>contributing five thousand a year, by the time she turns

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<v Speaker 3>thirty five, she will have seven hundred thousand dollars in

0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:16.400
<v Speaker 3>that account. That is massive. These are four oh one

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<v Speaker 3>k's for kids, And think about how four oh one

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.080
<v Speaker 3>k's changed how we retire, how we say for retirement.

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<v Speaker 3>This now gives the power of compound growth to every kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But number two, this also will create a new generation

0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.600
<v Speaker 3>of capitalist. Every child will be an owner, an owner

0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.439
<v Speaker 3>of the largest employers in this country. That is a

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.919
<v Speaker 3>big deal. If you're tired of seeing all these kids

0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.040
<v Speaker 3>that hate capitalism, that think socialism is a good idea,

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 3>that think Mondami up in New York is boy, that

0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:49.360
<v Speaker 3>sounds great. Let's elect a communists well. Having a new

0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.439
<v Speaker 3>generation of capitalists who are owners and have skin in

0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.040
<v Speaker 3>the game. I think in ten twenty thirty years, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to look back and say that change this country

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<v Speaker 3>for the best. Are those Trump accounts. I wrote the legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the bill, and it was a fight to

0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:06.159
<v Speaker 3>get them in the bill, but we kept them in

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<v Speaker 3>the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you talk about financial literacy is how I

0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>was described it by a school teacher recently that said,

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to you and the Senator show, and when

0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you guys are talking about these savings accounts at birth

0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and what this could do. They said, it also will

0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:28.280
<v Speaker 2>allow us to then have curriculum. Yes, it will be

0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.399
<v Speaker 2>for financial literacy, because we'll have something we can actually

0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 2>look at kids and say, this is what you have.

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:36.800
<v Speaker 2>We can show you your report, we can show you

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.639
<v Speaker 2>the power of comtown interest, we can show you what

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the tax savings look like. We can show you how

0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 2>to plan for your future. And then things like credit

0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 2>card debt and how to balance a checkbook and how

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to save and why you don't want to take out

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:55.920
<v Speaker 2>high interest loans become a reality and understandable to these

0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:59.600
<v Speaker 2>kids because they can see what happens on the opposite

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 2>of that when you are saving money and watching it grow.

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.199
<v Speaker 2>And to go back to the point you were making,

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<v Speaker 2>this could fundamentally change an entire country number one, but

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:13.359
<v Speaker 2>also can change an entire generation. When you talk about

0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>generational wealth, which everybody wants for their kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, that's exactly right. And what you're talking

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 3>about there is one of the real drivers of the

0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:26.320
<v Speaker 3>wealth gap we have in America is that wealthy parents

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.879
<v Speaker 3>teach their kids how to invest, teach their kids how

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:33.440
<v Speaker 3>to save, teach them financial literacy, and that learning that

0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 3>perpetuates the wealth gap. And many low income parents don't

0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 3>themselves have a terribly high degree of financial literacy, so

0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:45.359
<v Speaker 3>they don't teach their kids about it. They're not investors.

0:22:45.359 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 3>A large percentage of Americans don't own a single stock

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.879
<v Speaker 3>or bond. You know, now, you're gonna end up in

0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:52.520
<v Speaker 3>ten years, you're gonna have a ten year old boy

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.439
<v Speaker 3>who pulls out his phone and opens the app for

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 3>his Trump account and sees how much money he's gotten.

0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.240
<v Speaker 3>That count and it'll be broken down so it'll be

0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 3>the S and P five hundred, but he'll look and say, hey, wait,

0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I own one hundred bucks of Apple. I own seventy

0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:12.440
<v Speaker 3>five bucks of Boeing or fifty bucks of McDonald's. And

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<v Speaker 3>that is a different thing when a ten year old

0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 3>says when he goes to McDonald's and orders a big mac,

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.439
<v Speaker 3>and he says, wait, I'm one of the owners of

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 3>this company, and he gets to understand that, you know,

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 3>a portion of those profits are accruing to his benefits

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 3>because he's one of the owners of the company. That

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 3>is transformational. And listen, rich kids accumulate capital all the time,

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:39.679
<v Speaker 3>but this is allowing low income kids, the kids of

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.240
<v Speaker 3>single moms who would never own a stock and bond otherwise,

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:48.440
<v Speaker 3>to begin accumulating earlier, and then a huge accelerator on this.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll tell you that the entire price tag of

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<v Speaker 3>the bill was in the trillions, the price tag of

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<v Speaker 3>this So they're three point seven million kids born on

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.720
<v Speaker 3>average in this country each year, a thousand bucks a

0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 3>year for that is three point seven billion dollars. So

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 3>that's thirty seven billion dollars over ten years in the

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:10.719
<v Speaker 3>in the scope of this bill. That is a very

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 3>small amount compared to the overall size of this bill.

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<v Speaker 3>But that tiny amount is like priming a pump. Because

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<v Speaker 3>one of the things we're going to see is we're

0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 3>going to see employers contributing to the accounts of the

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 3>kids of their employees. Think about four oh one case

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<v Speaker 3>when four Wait, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a theory. That's not a theory. I want to

0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 2>hold on. I want to be queer. That's not a

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 2>theory you're talking about. This is a reality because you've

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<v Speaker 2>actually talked with CEOs of companies who are saying they

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>want to do this.

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<v Speaker 3>So there is a CEO Council of Invest America and

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a bunch of major CEOs in this country who

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.040
<v Speaker 3>have said, if you create these Trump accounts, we will

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:52.160
<v Speaker 3>contribute to the accounts of the kids of our employees.

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<v Speaker 3>We will match it. It's shared by Michael Dell. It's

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<v Speaker 3>shared by a Texan. Michael is a good friend. Michael

0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 3>has committed that Dell is going to contribute to the

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 3>counts of the kids of all their employees. And think

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.000
<v Speaker 3>about four oh one K. Look, four oh one K

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 3>is just a provision in the tax code, and when

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:15.280
<v Speaker 3>it passed, it changed how America saves for retirement. There

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 3>is right now today trillions of dollars invested in four

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 3>oh one k's And without exaggeration, I think in twenty

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 3>years we will see trillions of dollars invested in Trump accounts.

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 3>That the multiplier effect there is really potent. And I

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 3>think it will become an almost standard employee benefit, just

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.920
<v Speaker 3>like if you get a job at any big company,

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.080
<v Speaker 3>you're going to get a four oh one K contribution

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 3>or match. I think this will be another standard employee benefit,

0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 3>and so it really unleashes savings early. That's a big deal.

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.480
<v Speaker 3>And then Ben, I want to talk about another provision

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:51.800
<v Speaker 3>that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was fighting, and by the way, I I yeah, I

0:25:55.520 --> 0:25:57.440
<v Speaker 2>want to say one more thing about this real quick. Yes,

0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 2>just so people understand you when you talk about this.

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 2>A great example of this. You know my three boys,

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.120
<v Speaker 2>and I'm made a deal with all of them. I said, Hey,

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 2>whatever you say for your first car, I'm going to

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.480
<v Speaker 2>match it. If you want to drive a hooptee, you

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 2>can drive a hooptee. If you want to drive a

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 2>nicer car, I'll match whatever you say. But but you're

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>going to.

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Have one exactly.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>And my Hooptie is my first car.

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 2>When it's like a couple grand and you're and it

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:25.360
<v Speaker 2>barely makes it down the road.

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>My first car was a Honda with one hundred eighty.

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Seven thousand miles it is with no conditioning, and I

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 2>loved it.

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 3>By the way, it is hooptie, like a Memphis word

0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:37.360
<v Speaker 3>or something. I'm just I'm not sure that's English.

0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 2>It's I that's just that's the word that when I

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.199
<v Speaker 2>grew up in Memphis they called if you had a

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 2>car that wasn't very nice, it was referred to as, oh,

0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that's a nice hooptie.

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 1>So what was your first car? Was a dialect that

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I grew up with, Honda Prelude, Prelude.

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.400
<v Speaker 2>It was nineteen nineteen eighty eight, one hundred and eighty

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 2>seven thousand miles on it, and I could and I

0:26:57.480 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>could afford it because it had a busted ace and

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it took the old R twelve, which was hard to

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 2>find and more expensive.

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I remember this like it was yesterday. And I bought that.

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Car for twenty six hundred dollars and I was and

0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 2>I loved it, by the way, very proud of that car.

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.520
<v Speaker 1>But the point was to and by the way, my

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:18.760
<v Speaker 1>first car said look, you're gonna have ownership in this.

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 1>What was it?

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 3>My first car was a nineteen seventy eight Ford Fairmont,

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 3>which which we called the Green Bomb, and it was

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 3>actually my grandfather's car. And when I turned sixteen, my

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 3>grandfather gave it to me. Ha he and he was

0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:35.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of a gruff old irishman and he said, boy,

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 3>stick your hands out. So I stuck my hands out

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.440
<v Speaker 3>and he put a car key in each hand, said

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 3>happy birthday, and it was you know, they'd had it

0:27:42.720 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 3>for eight years, so it was their car. And we

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 3>called at the Green Bomb and I drove all my

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 3>buddies in high school and we got to do a

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.280
<v Speaker 3>lot of trouble in that car.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing.

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.919
<v Speaker 2>Well, I said to my son, I said, look, you

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 2>can spend money on frivolous things and you'll have instant gratification.

0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I said, Or you can save your money and I'll

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.880
<v Speaker 2>help you invest it in stocks. Well, my son now

0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 2>owns Lockheed Martin, not much of it, but he owned

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 2>some of it. He owns Ford because he thought that

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>was a good stock that had been around. And now

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 2>every day when he comes home from school in the summer,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 2>he's like, hey, how did my stocks do today?

0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's changed his mentality.

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>As we're on family vacation, I told all the kids,

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, hey, you can get one cool thing while

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 2>you're here, whatever you want to be, here's the price range.

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>And literally two of my three boys are the same

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>thing to me today. Hey, if I don't buy anything,

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:30.679
<v Speaker 2>can I put the money in stocks and save it

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>for my car?

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.200
<v Speaker 1>When you have those conversations with a six year.

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>Old and an eight year old, that you realize that

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 2>now money is making sense to them. That's why I'm

0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:44.440
<v Speaker 2>so excited about this legislation. I hope people thirty forty,

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 2>fifty sixty years from now, when we're both gone, go

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>back and they say, you know what, when Ted Kruz

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.440
<v Speaker 2>did this and got this in there, it changed people's

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.680
<v Speaker 2>lives for the better. So I want to say, sincerely,

0:28:55.720 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>congratulations on making sure that's made it in there, because

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 2>it's huge. Because that's not the only thing that was

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>transformative in this bill. Something you've been champing now, I

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 2>would say it's part of the legacy of your career

0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is school choice. And there's some big stuff in this

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 2>bill also on school choice.

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 3>So school choice has been my passion for thirty years.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I've been very active of the school choice movement. In

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 3>twenty seventeen, when we did the first Trump tax cut,

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 3>I authored the legislation that expanded college five twenty nine

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.400
<v Speaker 3>savings plans, so now parents can save for K through

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 3>twelve education. We got that through. It passed, and it

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 3>was at the time the most far reaching federal school

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 3>choice legislation that had ever passed. And there are millions

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 3>of kids now whose parents save for K through twelve

0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 3>education using five twenty nines. This time around, I took

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 3>five twenty nine and I expanded them. I expanded what

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 3>you can spend them for, and I raised the cap.

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 3>It used to be you could spend ten thousand a

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>year from the account. Now you can spend twenty thousand

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 3>a year. But that actually is the smallest piece on

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 3>school te that would be huge in any other year.

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:08.280
<v Speaker 3>But what we got in this year is the federal

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 3>government will now grant a federal tax credit dollar for

0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:18.200
<v Speaker 3>dollar for every taxpayer up to seventeen hundred dollars. So,

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:21.520
<v Speaker 3>ben you pay taxes every year you pay more than

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 3>seventeen hundred dollars in taxes when this goes into effect,

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 3>if you write a seven yes, so if you write

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.480
<v Speaker 3>a seventeen hundred dollars check to a scholarship granting organization

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 3>in Texas, you will get a seventeen hundred dollars credit

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 3>on your taxes. In other words, it's dollar for dollar,

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 3>it disappears from your tax liability. What this will do

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 3>is this is going to unleash billions and billions of

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 3>dollars of new scholarships for K through twelve education in

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 3>the states. And the way it operates, every state has

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 3>to choose to opt in, so Texas will opt in.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 3>I suspect a number of Blue states will not opt

0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 3>in because the teachers' unions will not want them to.

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 3>They will not want scholarships for kids to be able

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 3>to go to the school of their choice. And the

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 3>way we wrote the rule, the state, the law, the

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 3>state has to opt in. But Texas will have scholarship

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>granting organizations and any taxpayer can write a check up

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>to seventeen hundred dollars a year and get a full

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.959
<v Speaker 3>tax credit on their irs what they owe. That is

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 3>going to result in millions of kids across America, many

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 3>of whom are stuck in failing schools. Schools they're not

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 3>learning to read, they're not learning to write, Schools where

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>there's violence there drug dealers, Schools where their future is

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 3>really in peril, and they're suddenly going to have the

0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>ability to get a scholarship, to go to the school

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:52.239
<v Speaker 3>of their choice, to get a real education, to get

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 3>a better education, to be safe, to not be subject

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 3>to violence. This is I think school choice is the

0:31:58.600 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 3>civil rights issue of the twenty four century. This has

0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.720
<v Speaker 3>never happened before. And I gotta tell you, I fought

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:09.080
<v Speaker 3>tooth and nail. This almost got stripped out of the

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.640
<v Speaker 3>bill about five different times. And I made clear I'll

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 3>shut this whole bill down if we don't get school

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 3>choice in there. And and and this is I could

0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 3>not be more excited about about any provision in this

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>bill than the impact school choice is gonna have for

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 3>for the next next generation.

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.440
<v Speaker 2>So on these two issues, school choice and also the

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 2>savings accounts, when does that start to become a reality timeline?

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>There's there's a lot of people that say, hey, we

0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>pass bills and then things that were supposed to happen

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 2>don't happen. They get undone because there's a new present

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>that comes in, or you see a Senate flip or

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the House flip, whatever it may be. So so how

0:32:49.680 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>sure are we that we are going to see the

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:53.560
<v Speaker 2>fruits of this fight and this labor.

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, these are both gonna happen, and they're both gonna

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.239
<v Speaker 3>happen in the next year. For the Trump accounts, I

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:03.040
<v Speaker 3>wrote into an effective date of one year from the signing,

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 3>So if it's signed on July fourth, these will start

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 3>on July fourth, twenty twenty six, our nation's two hundred

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 3>and fiftieth anniversary. And I think that's something particularly fantastic.

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm quite confident President Trump will make a big deal

0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 3>about the facts that these accounts are being opened on

0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 3>our nation's birthday, or if it ends up being signed

0:33:22.280 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 3>at a slightly different date somewhere honor about our nation's birthday,

0:33:26.680 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 3>a great celebration. Same thing. The tax deductions are going

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 3>to start, I believe next year on the on the

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 3>school choice tax deductions. So these will happen. They will

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 3>happen quickly. Now one question people are asking, what happens next.

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 3>The Senate passed this, what happens next, Well, we sent

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 3>the whole bill to the House. They have two choices

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 3>number one, so they're coming back in in session. They

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 3>can take it up and pass it. And if they

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>pass the bill that we just passed, it will go

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 3>to the President and he can sign it, and he

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 3>said he wants to sign it on July fourth of

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:05.520
<v Speaker 3>this year. So if the House passes what the Senate passed,

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>that'll be the end of the process and the President

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 3>will sign it. The second thing they can do is

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 3>they can say, Okay, we passed a bill, the Senate

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 3>passed a different bill. We need to work out the

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:22.960
<v Speaker 3>differences between them, and that's called going to conference, and

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 3>the House could insist we go to conference. I don't

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 3>know which one they're going to do. There are some

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 3>real differences in the Senate right now there or in

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the House right now, they're having fights. There's some aspects

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 3>of the Senate bill that are really good, there's some

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.919
<v Speaker 3>aspects of the Senate bill that are not great, and

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 3>so it's going to be a question of what can

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 3>get two hundred and eighteen votes in the House. I

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 3>know the Speaker wants if he can to take up

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 3>and pass the Senate bill and just send it to

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the President. That's what the President wants also, so that

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 3>may happen. If that doesn't happen, then we'll go to conference.

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 3>And I think conference would take the month of July

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.280
<v Speaker 3>for us to work out the differences, and my guess

0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 3>is we would pass the final bill at the end

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 3>of July, right before August.

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.319
<v Speaker 2>So this is one of those big moments that I

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.280
<v Speaker 2>think we should all enjoy.

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Elections have consequences.

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.880
<v Speaker 2>This time it was for conservative values and for kids

0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to have a better future in education or savings accounts,

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.200
<v Speaker 2>and for tax cuts so that Americans that work hard

0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>can keep more of their own money. On a scout

0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>of one to ten, and nothing's perfect, how proud of

0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:34.479
<v Speaker 2>you or of you are you with this bill? There's

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that are saying, well, there's this,

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>or's that, or does this look? Yeah, there was some compromises,

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.160
<v Speaker 2>no doubt that had to be made. You got a tight,

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, a very very slim majority that you're dealing

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:48.080
<v Speaker 2>with here. But overall, how happy are you with what

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the American people are now getting?

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.239
<v Speaker 3>I think there are many very very good things in

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 3>this bill. I wish we cut spending significantly more. I

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 3>was fighting hard to cut spending significantly more. I went

0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:02.840
<v Speaker 3>to President to Trump with three trillion dollars of spending

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 3>cuts we could do. I was urging my colleagues. I

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.439
<v Speaker 3>prevailed in some of those arguments, but not all of them.

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I wish we'd shown more fiscal restraint. That would have

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 3>made me much happier. Look at six am on Tuesday,

0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 3>we were near the end of the amendments, and the

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 3>question was could we get to fifty Republicans. They're fifty

0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 3>three in the Senate now. Susan Collins was a no.

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 3>She is the most liberal of the Republicans. She did

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 3>not like some of the reforms on Medicaid. The Democrats

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.160
<v Speaker 3>and the press are saying we slashed medicaid. That is

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:42.720
<v Speaker 3>a lie. We actually are spending more un medicaid every

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:45.799
<v Speaker 3>single year. What we did was slightly decrease the rate

0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>of growth of Medicaid in the future, and in particular,

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:54.360
<v Speaker 3>we increased efforts to fight waste, fraud, and abuse and

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 3>to remove people from the Medicaid roles who don't qualify.

0:36:57.840 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 3>And we also put in place a work requirement, which

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 3>is really important and I think actually benefits people. If

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 3>you look at the history of work requirements for federal

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 3>welfare benefits, it ends up helping the recipients by getting

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 3>them back into the workforce, which is ultimately much better

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 3>for them in their families. So so, but anyway, Susan

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Collins did not like the reductions in spending on that side,

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:29.479
<v Speaker 3>so she voted no. Tom Tillis, a Republican from from

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 3>North Carolina, also did not like the Medicaid changes and

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 3>so he voted no. And so with fifty three Republicans,

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:41.160
<v Speaker 3>we could only lose three. The two other votes that

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 3>were in play were Lisa Murkowski and Rand Paul and

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:54.240
<v Speaker 3>they were both between six am and noon. Nobody knew

0:37:55.280 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 3>which one which one we would get if either, But

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 3>if we didn't get one of them, this bill was

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 3>going down because if four senators voted against it, four Republicans,

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 3>we were at forty nine and it failed. So the

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 3>consequence of which road we went down was really consequential

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:20.160
<v Speaker 3>because Lisa, after Susan, is the most liberal, demoderate Republican

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 3>in the conference, and so Lisa was bargaining for a

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 3>bunch more spending. She wanted a ton of spending, particularly

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 3>at Alaska, and that was the price of her vote,

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 3>and she was going back and forth. Rand on the

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 3>other hand, Rand was always going to be no, always

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 3>going to be a no. And Rand said at the

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:42.240
<v Speaker 3>end he would be a yes if the debt ceiling

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 3>was not extended. We extend the debt ceiling throughout President

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Trump's term in this bill. That was a very high

0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 3>priority for President Trump. Rand said he would vote yes

0:38:53.400 --> 0:38:56.040
<v Speaker 3>if we shortened the extension of the debt ceiling to

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 3>September thirtieth. So we just did a couple of months

0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.919
<v Speaker 3>of the debt ceiling. Now, the consequence of that would

0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.400
<v Speaker 3>mean we'd have to come back in September thirtieth and

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 3>address the debt ceiling again, and that would mean we'd

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 3>probably have to negotiate with the Democrats and make a

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>lousy deal with with Chuck Schumer. But between six am

0:39:14.920 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and noon, none of us knew which direction they were

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.280
<v Speaker 3>going to go. Were they going to go the direction

0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.320
<v Speaker 3>of Lisa Rakowski or were they going to go the

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 3>direction of Rand Paul. At the end of the day,

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 3>Lisa is the one who got to yes. But it

0:39:28.400 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 3>was literally up till the moment she cast her vote,

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:35.920
<v Speaker 3>we didn't know for sure. And she ended up She

0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 3>ended up increasing the Rural Hospital Fund by fifty billion dollars.

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 3>She ended up dropping the Medicaid penalty for states that

0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 3>that that that are giving medicaid to illegal immigrants. She

0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:59.800
<v Speaker 3>ended up delaying the work requirements for food stamps for Alaska,

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 3>and the cost of that was billions and billions of dollars. Interestingly,

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:09.879
<v Speaker 3>if Rand had said yes instead of Lisa, we would

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 3>have ended up spending much less. But the consequence of

0:40:13.960 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Rand being a no is that it drove It made

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Lisa the swing vote, and the price of her vote

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 3>was billions and probably hundreds of billions more in spending

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:32.040
<v Speaker 3>and and so you know, I mean that that's where

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>votes have consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible, Well, it certainly is interesting to see your take

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<v Speaker 2>on this. I'm glad that we were able to do

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<v Speaker 2>the show. You deserve to get some sleep now that

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>it's uh after midnight Eastern and uh and after the

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 2>vote rama. But I I'm glad that we were able

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<v Speaker 2>to unpack all of this for everyone because a lot

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 2>of people have the same question, how did this happen?

0:40:52.840 --> 0:40:55.280
<v Speaker 2>What did we get that was good? Are there things

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:58.479
<v Speaker 2>that we got taken advantage of? Is this gonna help

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.160
<v Speaker 2>the country when it's gonna hurt it? I think think

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>we answered a lot of those questions. So don't forget

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<v Speaker 2>couple of days