1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Mother in law was stocking me and ruining my marriage 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: and now she's missing. Am I the asshole for being relieved? 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Depends on uh, you know, there's levels to this, you 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, did she disappear in cartel 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: territory and now her body's chopped up in the back 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: of a pickup truck. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: That's a pretty bad level to be at, you know. 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Was she opened up and had drug stuffed inside her 9 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: and then closed up and then snuck across the border 10 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: to traffic drugs. 11 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: That would be terrible. 12 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Real story that happened to my mom's friend. 13 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Wow, Actually, that's insanity. I can tell that story later, 14 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: all right. My mother in law and I never had 15 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: a good relationship. 16 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: She has tried to sabotage my relationship with my husband 17 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: since the day she met me. I wasn't good enough 18 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: for handsome and successful little boy. I contemplated ending my 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: relationship several times, but my husband always showed me that 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: he is on my side and I love him. A 21 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: few years ago, I started getting very threatening and scary 22 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: emails and texts from a PAX. 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: What's a pax? Riley, What's a PAX? Produce? 24 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: The ensa capital PA you know what this means. Let 25 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: us know this Packs. Maybe it's like John, like you know, 26 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: like a like a uncle, go over here like this John. 27 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, it's like a thing person, et cetera. 28 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: Maybe this Pax knew everything about me. 29 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: It didn't matter how many emails and phone numbers I change, 30 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: they or he always found me. I made several reports, 31 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 1: but nothing happened. My husband tried everything to trace the emails. 32 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Nothing came out of it. This past year, I basically 33 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: never left the apartment alone. Suddenly, my mother in law 34 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: passed away in a car accident. The same time my 35 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: stalker disappeared. I haven't received a single threatening text or 36 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: email from Packs in a month. After a few days, 37 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised, felt like I always knew his mother 38 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: in law deep down. 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: My husband hasn't reacted yet. 40 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: He's consumed with his grief and I don't want to 41 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: bother him, especially when he bitterly told me he must 42 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: be very pleased now when he heard the news and 43 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: I tried to comfort him. He apologized later and said 44 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: he was feeling guilty and he loved and chose me 45 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: more than he loved her. Now I'm waiting for him 46 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: to connect the dots. Will he get it. If he does, 47 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: will he talk to me about it? I don't know 48 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: if I will ever bring it up to him. Also, 49 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: I won't relax and go back to my normal life 50 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: just yet. But I know it in my heart that 51 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: it's over and I can't be happier about my life 52 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: in fact, and she's saying the stalking is over from 53 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: the mother in law and there is an update. 54 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: I really hate how the husband is like, oh I 55 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: loved you more and chose you over her. 56 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 2: It's like it's not like a competition. 57 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: He's not a competition, and it's not like Binari's not 58 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: like oh I either you know, love my wife or 59 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: I love my mom and like I gotta you know, 60 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: leave what I like? 61 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: No, no, what is this? 62 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: But I think probably because of how the mom acted, 63 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: she was like choose me over her. 64 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and probably like I mean, probably his whole life, 65 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: she probably like twisted his brain to Yeah, someone who 66 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 3: would do that to their daughter in law? Yeah, fucking nuts, 67 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: absolute insane person. But I do have an update, So 68 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 3: I was here maybe a month ago. 69 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: If I find it, I will post it talking about 70 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: me suspecting that my mother in law was my stalker 71 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: who tormented me for years. I was trying to get 72 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: advice about whether or not to tell my husband, who 73 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: was mourning her. I decided to wait a little, but 74 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: after venting here, I was sure that she was my stalker. 75 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: I started like I never did before, with ten minute 76 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: walks alone, then fifty, and then a half hour and 77 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: so on, so literally OPI wouldn't go outside. 78 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: Because of this, so insane. 79 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: At first, my husband didn't notice my freedom, or maybe 80 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: he did but was processing it himself. Last Friday, I 81 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: told him that I was going out with the girls alone. Yes, 82 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: want me to drive you there? 83 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 2: No need? Are you not afraid anymore? No? My stalker 84 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: won't bother me ever again. 85 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 1: He kissed me and wished me a nice evening. When 86 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: I came home around midnight, he was still up. He 87 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: said that he wanted to talk to me. He asked me, 88 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: was my mother your stalker? 89 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Yes? He broke down, crying. 90 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: He said he had always suspected her and even talked 91 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: to her a couple times about it, and she made 92 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: him so guilty by accusing him of being my simp. 93 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: He said he noticed how after so many years of 94 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: fear and anxiety. It suddenly stopped, and eventually the crying 95 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: in my sleep stopped too, and he noticed that I 96 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: haven't woken him up for a month now. I actually 97 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: don't remember half of the time I woke him up 98 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: in terror, but he always told me and my therapist 99 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: about it whenever it happened. He apologized for never discussing 100 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: it with me and never protecting me from his even 101 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: though he had his suspicions. Honestly, I'm not even mad 102 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: or disappointed if the police couldn't help me. I don't 103 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: know how much my husband could have done, and I 104 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: just want to move on and leave this behind. We're 105 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: going to start couple's therapy and my husband is planning 106 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: to tell his family that mother in law was my stalker. 107 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: He's adamant about it, and honestly, I think it's a 108 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: good idea. 109 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: My husband has. 110 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: Also decided not to attend the headstone setting on mother 111 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: in law's grave. Damn crazy situation. 112 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's like, imagine finding that out about 113 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: your mother. 114 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: I know I couldn't imagine, but it sounds like op 115 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: was already suspicious, so it might be something that this 116 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: mother does. 117 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: You know. 118 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, God, we get some bad mother and law stories 119 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: on the show. This is like insidious evil. This is 120 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: beyond just like being an asshole. 121 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an evil person. And it's not like 122 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: it was just online or whatever. This crept into Ope's life. 123 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: She wouldn't leave the house without her husband. 124 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: Completely and also like their lives together, Like she's like, god, yeah, 125 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: so terrible. 126 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, what would you do in this 127 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: situation if you were the husband and you realize that 128 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: your mother was tormenting your significant other. Yeah, I would 129 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: love to know what you would do. Put the answers 130 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: in the comments below. 131 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,600 Speaker 2: Please do. And with that, we're going to leave you 132 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 2: on depression. Yeah the press. 133 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Actually no, we're not going to leave you on depression. Hey, 134 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 1: did you know we have a Patreon. We literally released 135 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: ad free podcast episodes. 136 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: We have Patreon exclusive episodes, right, and we. 137 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: Do this thing assholes anonymous, where basically we read stories 138 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: with you, and we even read your story. So checking 139 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: the link in the description. 140 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: Join. 141 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: We'd love to have you there. Hope to see you there. Please. 142 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: Hopefully that's better than depression sadness that you just had. 143 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, be happy today by going on what I thought 144 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: was a Tinder date but turned out to be an 145 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: induction ceremony into a pyramid scheme. 146 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: That I hate when that happens. 147 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, I had a family friend actually induct 148 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: me into a pyramid scheme. 149 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: You go into it, I'll tell you after right, Maybe 150 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 3: I'm excited. I twenty three mail was talking to this 151 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: ooh lady, this hottie twenty three female for a week 152 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: on Twitter, on Tinder, and Instagram. Okay, she was gorgeous 153 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: and seemed very fun and outgoing. Uh, but she did 154 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: have an investment girl boss vibe going. 155 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: On to her. 156 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Oh, like like, hey girl, you should totally become your 157 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: own boss. 158 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's okay, but I should have seen this coming. 159 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 3: I asked her for a coffee day and she says yeah. 160 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: So we meet up and she looks good, but not 161 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: exactly like her photos. 162 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: You know, whoever looks exactly like their photos? You know 163 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: why you gotta do videos? That's true, although dude video 164 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: videos can be freaking' doctored two with like the AI fit. 165 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: I saw this video on Reddit bro of like like 166 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: a like a dude that looked like a that she 167 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: had a face filter on it. 168 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: Looked like this cute anime girl. 169 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: That wow, wow, it's it's wait, actually I want to 170 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: I want to be looking like. 171 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: A hot snack with the I still have the Snapchat 172 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: female filter. Would I would tap me big time. So 173 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: she looked like her photos, but I thought, no problem, 174 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 3: let's connect and see where this goes. The first ten 175 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: minutes goes great. The conversation is flowing. I ask her 176 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: if she wants some coffee, after all, we're out a 177 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: coffee shop, and she says no because she had some earlier. 178 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: The first red flash she doesn't drink coffee at a 179 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: coffee shop. 180 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:33,679 Speaker 2: Killer. 181 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: That's exactly what opens the floorboard, minus the killing part. 182 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: And so let's call her a. A tells me to 183 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: go and just get a coffee for myself. All right, 184 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: no problem. I go and get my coffee. And when 185 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 3: I come back, there is another girl at the table. 186 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, wait, why like threesome? Oh oh? 187 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: She says, hey, this is my partner. We'll call her 188 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: B because she's a bitch. 189 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: Because she's on booch, not just kidding, and that she 190 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: was working with her earlier. That's when it hit me 191 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: that this was not a date. Oh god, well that sucks, bro. 192 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: You think you're going on a hot day and then 193 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: it just becomes a pyramid. 194 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: So tragical. I thought you're in a love triangle, but 195 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: you're maybe maybe the pyramid is a sex position at 196 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: the three of them. Oh okay, all right, hey, hey 197 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm holding out. I hope. There we go. 198 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,479 Speaker 3: B starts asking questions about my job and my studies 199 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: and asks me if I would listen to their business 200 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: plan so I could make more money each month. 201 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: Whoa business? Wow? 202 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 3: So she takes out a notepad and starts explaining to 203 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: me that, and starts explaining to me their business model 204 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: and how much money I could make if I just 205 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: find three other people who would then find three other 206 00:08:59,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: people themselves. 207 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: It's so so it's like it's like a pyramid. 208 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, crazy, I straight up tell her, So, this is 209 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 3: like a pyramid scheme, right, This isn't a date, to 210 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: which A responds, oh, this is a date, but you 211 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: seem like a cool person to become our partner. 212 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: Oh my god? They oh what? And this isn't a 213 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: pyramid scheme. It is a multi level marketing. Same dude, 214 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: same thing. 215 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: Also, I like I love this, this this funnel like 216 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: get like all these SIMPI dudes on tender to just 217 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: give them money. 218 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 2: It's kind of genius. It's genius. 219 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so exactly the same thing. 220 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: Op he says. I couldn't believe this was happening to 221 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: me right now. Oh boy. 222 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: So I sat there for legit fifteen more minutes and 223 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: listen to them explain to me how I could make 224 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: up to five K a month if I were to 225 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: get one. 226 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 2: Hundred people to join the business. 227 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: My god, I told them I had to leave to 228 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: go to the vet with my dog. They didn't seem 229 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: happy that I wasn't interested in their MLM. Uh oh, dude, 230 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: this is so this sucks. 231 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 2: You're the worst date. 232 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 3: You better join my MLM or else. I laughed so 233 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: much on the way home. I thought I laughed so 234 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: much on the way home that. 235 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 2: I was crying rough. Sorry about that's the end. Tough date. 236 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: Tough date.