1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks Podcasts. I'm Bucky Brooks, joined 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: by my guys Fred lewis land Z and we are 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: live on location at you know, the NFL Scouting Combine. 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: And so we just witnessed yesterday all of the fast 6 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: guys did the Catholics, the best athletes on the field, 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: the dvs, the DBS, the only guys who go backwards 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: before they go forward, so they have to Five receivers 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: are up today. Facts cornerbacks, facts, yes, yes, the best athletes. 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: If you want, you need to look down at our 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: notes and see these numbers. Boy, yeah, where's Taekwon Thornton 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: when I need it? Yeah, can't wait, can't wait. So 13 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: today and ended up we have an opportunity to see 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: the past catchers, his quarterbacks and esta. But let's talk 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: about the great guys, the superhero all right, the DBS 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: and so just out the gate. Initial impressions watching the 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: DB's work out. Well, here's kind of the biggest thing 18 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: for me at this point. Uh, Devin Witherspoon, we didn't 19 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: get to which was unfortunate, right. Uh, you know he's 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: your top corner. Right, he's he's DJ's top corner. Lance, 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: is your top corner? Uh no, my top corners? Christian 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: cons up. Okay, Oh we'll hold that thought then for 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: a second. So Devin Witherspoon out here did not, dealing 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: with a little bit of a hammy right, didn't compete. 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: Joey Porter ran the forty ended up what just south 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: of four or five? Yeah? Yeah, right, and fine, it 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: was a good numbering number for him. But then didn't 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: do the drills right, Christian Gonzalez sub four four forty 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: did the drills look pretty dang good? And I'm wondering, um, 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: and I guess I'll put it back to you here, Lance, 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: does he and he's already you know, at the top 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: for you? Does he separate a little bit? But I 33 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: mean this performance for me, I did it because nine 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: my grades are already projections based on I know he 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: was gonna he's gonna run fast, he's gonna jump high. 36 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: I knew he was over forty vertical, which he was 37 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: forty one and a half. His brobe was gonna be 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: over eleven. It was he was gonna be fast. He 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: was Those are known things. Yeah, but I also know 40 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: that in the field, he's really smooth, like he really 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: smoothed in the field, and uh, I just think his 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: athletic profile. I'm a heighthweight speed guy on the corners. 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: So um, you know, I I know that whether why 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: why I like him as the ball skills are phenomenal course, 45 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: and the instincts and he's he's got a dog in him, 46 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the physical profile of Gonzalez, and 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: then he was not out here working out, So yeah, 48 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: I do think that for me, I've always thought that 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez would be the guy initially, and Porter doesn't 50 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: have the the the athletic profile that either one of 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: those guys have, and there's a reason he didn't work 52 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: out here. Bucky has alluded to it over the last 53 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: two days in general comments about he's not a backpedal guy, 54 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of backpedal INTI riipping hips and 55 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: and he's a press turn and run with you and 56 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: try to smother you guy and so and that's good, 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: that's and that's fine. You know, He's this isn't going 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: to be for him necessarily the combine field drills, but 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: but some of the stuff that's out here you know 60 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: you he's gonna have to do it as pro day, 61 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: But I still think he can be a good pro 62 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: without being h looking like Christian Gonzalez out here, well, 63 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can run, but you can't hide. 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: At some point you have the backbelt on. Everyone's gonna 65 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: have to see it. Yeah, he elected to not work 66 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: out after he ran. Look the times, we're fine, but 67 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: in a class where we see all these guys running 68 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: four three's and low four fours, he was at the 69 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: upper end of the spectrum four four seven four or 70 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 1: five two four four six. Yeah, as the official that 71 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: we had, and then the length and stuff is impressive. 72 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: But for him, the biggest question that he had to answer. 73 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: People wanted to know what kind of versatility did he have? 74 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: What did he happen to toolbox? Yeah, he bypassed that, 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: And it might have been a wise decision based on 76 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: how smooth most of these guys look. Sure, if he's 77 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: stumbling and turning and falling down and doing other stuff, yeah, 78 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: it certainly wouldn't help him, but it does open up 79 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: the door for Christian Gonzalez and some of these other 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: guys are coming. I didn't it opens up the door. 81 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, he was always going to be 82 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: cornerback three. But I gotta be honest when you he 83 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: may still be in my grades. But but when it 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: comes to mock drafts, when you work out like Deontay 85 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Banks did, Deontay Banks running in the low four threes 86 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: with a with forty two inch vertical on eleven six, 87 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: I think broad jump in that neighborhood. When you have 88 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: a workout like that is it is not inconceivable that 89 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: you are going that Porter could fall based on some 90 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: of the workouts side of here. Yeah, because they're in 91 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the same category. So if we break these guys up, 92 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: you can break them up in the technicians, the skill 93 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: guys that have all the footwork in or scheme diverse, 94 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: and then you could have the bump and run corners. 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Whenever you look at the bumper round corners. If I'm 96 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: gonna get a bump and round corner, who all he 97 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: does is played nose to nose, I'm gonna get the 98 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: best athlete. Yeah. So if Deante Banks throws up the 99 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: numbers that he throws up compared to what Joey Porter Junior, did, 100 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: now you begin to have the conversation, I'm gonna gamble 101 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: on the athletics has been explosive. And by the way, 102 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: on Gonzalez, we should all know, like and again you 103 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: knew the speed was coming and we should have known. 104 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: It is literally in the family. His sister is Melissa Gonzalez, 105 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: who is the one wife of David Blow the quarterback lines. 106 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: You remember that scene from Hard Knocks with their all 107 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: watching Melissa at the Summer Olympics, right, and so yeah, 108 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: they got that speed in the bloodline. But um, you know, 109 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: not just Deontay Banks, but when an alphabetical and we 110 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,559 Speaker 1: went turp to turp on sub four four forties because 111 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: the Korean Bennett, uh you know, it was the guy 112 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: that I was talking about that might run passage. But yeah, 113 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I think Lance you won that. Yeah. Yeah, he's like 114 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: a cheat code, I mean, you know. And I was 115 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: disappointed he didn't work out in the field because that's 116 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: what he's good at, Like, he is very smooth with 117 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: his mirror and match stuff. That doesn't make any sense 118 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't have just nope, done that out here 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: because this is where he was going to shine. And 120 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: and that's strange to me that you wouldn't you wouldn't 121 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: put all of your talent with your footwork. I mean 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: he is smooth, mirror and match. It's tradevious white type stuff. 123 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: And I don't understand why he wouldn't do that. He 124 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: did the other testing. He had to get a good 125 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: vertical and broad jump. But I'm just telling you the 126 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: cornerbacks and this testing for the corners was it was incredible. 127 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: Talk about the the height. It's one of the biggest 128 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: corner classes we've ever seen in terms of guys who 129 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: are six feet are over Corey Trice from produers like 130 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: six three, two three, fourteen or something. Juju Brents had 131 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: a great day testing and as and as really big. 132 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: So it is, uh, the big guys are a corner now, 133 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: but they they're not just big plotters. They can move. 134 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: So we had one two, three, four, five, six, seven, 135 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: eight broad jumps north of eleven feet. Juju Brents finishes 136 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: with the best at eleven foot six. But I mean, like, 137 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: how about Trey Hodges Tomlinson at five foot seven broad's 138 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: eleven feet, Like that's a that's a little extra special 139 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: for me. Yeah, it's not surprising when you look at 140 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the times. They all correlate. So you talk about eight 141 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: broad jumps over eleven. You had seven in four seven 142 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: forties and the four three range normally good point when 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: you've valuating like verticals, broad jumps or whatever, they kind 144 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: of lead you to what someone's gonna run in the 145 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: forty and we saw that. And this is great because 146 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: for the longest time I'm coming here, we were getting 147 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: the inferior athletes at the position. We were getting slow guys. 148 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: They're running fast or whatever. And there's certainly been a 149 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: sea change at the lower levels where you're seeing more 150 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: of the A plus athletes begin to play corner. They're 151 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: trained at corner, and so now we're beginning to see 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: the explosiveness come up to this level. I know there 153 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: are a lot of defensive coordinators and dB coach is 154 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: excited about the classes coming in, not necessarily because they're 155 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: all ready to go, but man, they have some intriguing 156 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: trace and tools to build on. Yeah, and the separators 157 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: where you look at the three cone and the short shuttle, 158 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: because you can be fast on a straight line, you 159 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: can jump high, but you know, ultimately being a cover 160 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: corner is about being able to flow with the route runners. Now, 161 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: how are you going to cover? I'm glad you can 162 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: beat Keenan Allen on foot race and you cover him 163 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: out of his brakes, you know. I mean, this is 164 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: why Jackson Smith and Jigba who I don't think it's 165 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: gonna be very fast, and he didn't run out here. 166 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: This is why people like him as you know the 167 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: route running and so you can be fast in a 168 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: straight line, you can jump high and show the explosiveness, 169 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: Bucky said, the correlation. But all of a sudden, it's like, okay, well, 170 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: once we get to three conan short shuttle, that's a 171 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: different that's a different animal. You have different physical abilities. 172 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: If you're a little tightened hips, you're fine out here 173 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: in the explosion drills. But the fluid drills, the movement, 174 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: the short area of twitch, that's a little different category. 175 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: Yeah no, And then you know, i'd love to just 176 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: as we as we continue here on the corners. The 177 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: size guys, Okay, so juju Brent's big, tall corner right, 178 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: Emmanuel Forbes tall but very thin, and you could see 179 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: it down here on the field. I mean there was 180 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: a difference at one hundred and sixty six pounds between 181 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: him and you know, let's say Lance Boykin out of 182 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina who was sitting there at two hundred and 183 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: ten pounds. And then you know the height guys too, 184 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: you got you know, you mentioned Corey Trice at sixty 185 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: three and the and the opposite end, you got Trey 186 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Hodges Thomlinson at five foot seven. How do you guys 187 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: feel like the league will look at both of those, 188 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: let's say, opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of size. Well, 189 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: I think it didn't go with the bigger guys first, 190 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: because there's something to it going all the way bay 191 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: back to my days when I was with the Seattle Seahawks, 192 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: we used to talk about big corners being guys that 193 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: were listed at five eleven or taller. Now you're talking 194 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: about guys that are legitimately six foot six two that 195 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: can run like the win and do all those things 196 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: that you want to see. Because there was a time 197 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: where the wide receiver room got big. You had all 198 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: these big basketball like athletes catching it off to people's heads. 199 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: They they patting them, they ducking on their head, and 200 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: so you need some of those guys that can match 201 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: up with that. So I think the league is excited 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: about that. I think for the shorter guys. It's still 203 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: an issue because the fifty fifty balls the fifty fifty 204 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: balls down the field, and so if you're sure, you 205 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: better hope that you have ball guards because it really 206 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: hurts you in the process. Yeah, linked is importanite. And 207 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: one of my scattering reports for a player I mentioned 208 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: I said, has trouble front in the post down field. 209 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: So I used a basketball and my editor Dan's like, 210 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: what is it? What does this mean? I'm like, just leave, 211 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: please leave it in. It's a good because what it 212 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: means is know if you confront, if you can front 213 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: the post, it's hard to get the entry pass into 214 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: the post. It's the same thing if you are if 215 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: you're a guy who has lenked, you can play on 216 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: trail and you can still be hard to throw over. 217 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: It's like throwing the wallow. But if you have if 218 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: you don't have length and you don't have good timing, 219 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: it's easier for guys to beat you on contested catches 220 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: and fifty fifties down the field. So that's why, you know, 221 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: that's why when you see outside corners who are competitive 222 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: at five, you want to know why why Hodges Thomlinson 223 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: had fourteen He had fourteen penalties issue. Yeah, and that's 224 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: like a non starter for people. He played outside. He's 225 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: a dog and he was playing he was playing guys 226 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: so much bigger who were six foot and above easily, 227 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: and so I think he just it wasn't the physical 228 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: stuff from a speed standpoint, It wasn't a technique issue 229 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: for him. He just got very physical with guys downfield 230 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: and they just and and he got flagged for being physical. 231 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: To me, you moved into slots. That's why I'm not 232 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: worried about his size that much. He's got great wiggle, 233 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: he's got speed, and he's super competitive with ball skills, explosive. Yeah, 234 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll have the same penalty issues when 235 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: he's garden smaller guys. But then again, you can also 236 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: mismatch shows guy. Sure, that's a problem. Well let's look 237 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: at then Buck, a couple of those guys that also 238 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: are going to be down in that area. Brian Branch 239 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: in that corner group and keetroll Clark in that corner group. 240 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: Who we saw it. He looked nice, Yester, Yeah, we 241 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: saw dude. Yeah, we thought he was off standing. So 242 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: starting with keetro Clarke first, he was the guy at 243 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: the East West Shrine game that all the coaches raved about, 244 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: talked about. He just got it right away in terms 245 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: of his instincts, awareness, d intelligence in terms of understanding 246 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: what they wanted to put in play. And then you 247 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to see him out here. You can 248 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: see the movement skills, the explosiveness rand at low four 249 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: or four time. He is someone that's intriguing and he's 250 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: experienced at playing that spot. So Branch, another guy who 251 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: played the star position at Alabama, understands how to live 252 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: in that slot. And the slot position is really the 253 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: hardest position at corner because you're dealing with two way goals. 254 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: You have to be part linebacker to make those taks goals. 255 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: They now want you to be a part of the 256 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: blitz game, so you're coming off the edge and you 257 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: still have to be able to cover those shifty guys. 258 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 1: A lot of things in the job description when we 259 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: talk about those different and say, I have no doubt 260 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: that Brian Branch can do all of that, and so 261 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: you know, but his forty time here, Bucky, what do 262 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: you make of that because he ran in a high 263 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: four fives. UM, I don't know what the official Yeah, well, 264 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's not great, but it doesn't really show 265 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: up that much on tape for what Alabama asked him 266 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: to do, and I think everything else is really really good. 267 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: I did think though, that he was maybe a four 268 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: or five O four five two guy, four five eights 269 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: A little on a fast track is a little four 270 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: or five eight is concerning. The only thing is he 271 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: plays inside in the slide, wears more quickness than speed. 272 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: The other thing he may be a player that's more 273 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: designated for a zone team, more pole than Amanda man 274 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: team where has to run around do those things well. 275 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: And last day, I'll say, in the corners, um, I 276 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: was down on NFL Plus. I was with Sauce right, 277 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner and Kenny More and so I was, you know, 278 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to him about forty yard days 279 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: because Sauce reign in the four four is yeah, four 280 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: four one. Kenny obviously didn't come to the combine, but 281 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: it's made a great career for himself, you know, in 282 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: Indianapolis as an undrafted free agent. But I was, you know, 283 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: it's like, guys, can you tell like, once you get 284 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: to the next level, can you tell you know a 285 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: difference between a guy that runs four three one or 286 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: a guy that runs four four one, And Sauce is like, no, 287 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, once you're out on the field, like, 288 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: dude either moves or he doesn't, right, and he's either 289 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: fast enough or he's not. Now, I know, we use 290 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: these times a lot to help project what guys can 291 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: be and where they can go and what their ultimate 292 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: ceilings can be. But at the end of the day, 293 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: like you know, talking about Branch, you know, running okay, fine, 294 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: but like you see that he's playing fast enough, right, Yeah, 295 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: he's pretty fast enough. I think. The one thing because 296 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: the draft is a beauty pat yeah, So the hardest 297 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: thing it is for scouts is making sure that the 298 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: chord looks right. So when you go into a draft room, 299 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: they're all the names, and they're on a magnet board 300 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: and all the things that you do it at the 301 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: combine are on their height, weight, arm, left hand size, 302 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: forty times vertical all that. And so when you have 303 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: a guy when you're looking at all the cards and 304 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: then little section with corners for three four, three, four, 305 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: four four, this for that and then you see four 306 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: or five eight yeah, yeah, And so sometimes your coaches 307 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: just see that thing on the sticker. They have a 308 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: hard time getting beyond the perception even though it's not 309 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: the reality. And so that's why if you like somebody, 310 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: sometimes you gotta pillsl Whipple. Sometimes you gotta take that 311 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: four or five eight and put four four. I think 312 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Alabama is also unique because there's two different concerns, right. 313 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: Your one concern is these guys are as good as 314 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna get. I mean, Nick Nick has really done 315 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: a great job. His staff has done a great job. 316 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: So they're they're maxed out, so you have it's tough 317 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: for to project a higher ceiling. But the flip side 318 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: of that is for Brian Branch, she's got Minka Fitzpatrick 319 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: in the background where where people can say, Okay, I've 320 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it with one, I know what 321 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: it looks like with him. This guy's got great football character. 322 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: He's maybe not as fast, but he has good instincts 323 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: and and so that's why I don't think it's gonna 324 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna kill him. But I thought 325 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: I thought Brian Brands she had a chance to go 326 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: middle first. I don't think that's gonna be the case. 327 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: Sound No, it has to be a super athley to 328 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: be able to do that four or five eight may 329 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: crushed that he could. He could slip to the early second. 330 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: Actually yeah, now even at his pro day now, because 331 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: we would take his best time. If he goes to 332 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: the pro day and he maybe lights up a time, 333 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: he has to kind of get there right, So a scout, 334 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: we'll sit and be like, hey, man, I really like it. 335 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: I really need you to be yeah, yeah, that's true. 336 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: If you run again, I might be able to put 337 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: that on the car for you. Back in the day, Bucky, 338 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: I heard a story about there was uh wow, how 339 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: to tell it was? It was Ballard was Chris Ballard 340 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: was and uh he had he was worked for the 341 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Bears and he was you know, he had the like 342 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: the Southwest region, he had Texas and he loved he 343 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: loved Nathan Vasher. Yeah, and Ballard ran a separate forty 344 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: with him and I don't know, forty thirty eight and 345 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: a half whatever it was. He uh his time, He's 346 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: like Jerry An, look at the time, I just gotta 347 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: I gotta four or five two on him. It's there. 348 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: I just got there. Now, he's clear now he ran 349 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: up thirty nine instead of a forty, but he was 350 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: able to uh to talk him into it, and the 351 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: guy made up because he you know, he made a 352 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: ton of plays and I don't know if you get 353 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: away with that anymore. Right, So you can't under rode 354 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: him those pro days. Okay, so you can't get him here, 355 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: but you certainly can't whin. Yeah. You know it's me 356 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: and d Lewis working in Bloomington, and I like Redden. 357 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: I wan't Red. Yeah, I certainly can piscil with. Well 358 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't run up forty in my pro 359 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: day because I had a sprain thumb. So, yeah, the 360 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: momentum is hard. Yeah, you know what I mean, a 361 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: sprain thumb. Yeah. Wow. All right, well let's do this. 362 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 1: Let's let's take a little break and then let's bounce 363 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: back and we'll talk about the safeties. Big boys, big boys, 364 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: do your hitters. So we saw the corners, yes, but 365 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, a secondary isn't complete without the traffic cops, 366 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: the guys that play in the back end, the super 367 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: smart guys, maybe the smartest guys on the field of safeties. 368 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: So just a general overview, what do we see what 369 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: do we like from the class. Yeah, you know, I 370 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: think there's a bunch of guys. I mean, like the 371 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: Illinois guys stood out to me. Uh, Sidney Brown, Kwan Martin. 372 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: You know, they're they're different body types. But I mentioned 373 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: Quon as a guy that I was really looking forward 374 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: to watching U yesterday when we were doing combine today 375 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: or at NFL dot com. And you know, I think 376 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: he had a great day for himself. I think he 377 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: acquitted himself really well and the drills and then he 378 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean he jumped out the gym forty four in 379 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: vert on Kwon Martin. Uh, he can go with the 380 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: forty two. And I think he's an instinctive dude. I 381 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: mentioned the coaches loved him in Illinois, talked him up 382 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: as one of the best, you know that they had 383 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: in the secondary full of studs. So I thought they 384 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: were really good. I thought Brandon Hill from pitt had 385 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: a really nice day in the drills, might have had 386 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: the best hands and was making some of the some 387 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: of the wow catch moments for the dbs in that group. 388 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: So I really like that safety group. I think I 389 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: think he did pretty well. Yeah, I think, uh, Scott 390 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: from cal and Hill for me or the two that 391 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stood out athletically, and I thought if 392 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: they did well in the field. You know, I'm still 393 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: a big fan of jire Brown, but when you run 394 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: into four sixes and on field, he looks like a 395 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: four four guy, and I think that I had read 396 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: before that he had run four fours in their spring, 397 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: So I don't know what happened there. I this is 398 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: one reounds to me too, because I was like, this 399 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: dad makes plays everywhere. Yeah, he's and he looks fast, 400 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: and I mean he's got recovery. I go find players 401 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: on tape where I can try to find if you 402 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: have recovery speed or not. That that forty time didn't 403 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: match up with the tape, I didn't think, Bucky. So 404 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: I want to see what happens in the Pro Day 405 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: because and unfortunately, I think a lot of people don't. 406 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: And maybe it's more fans than scouts who will look 407 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: at Pro Day and say, I'm not going to count 408 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: this as much as as I'm going to count you know, 409 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Indianapolis and the combine when you're competing against other guys, 410 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: but you know, honestly, this is such a fast track, 411 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: so it really concerns you when you see a four 412 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: to six six. But if he goes to Pro Day 413 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: and runs a legitimate low four five, then to me 414 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: that should be good enough to cement him where he 415 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: was going to be. If not, if he runs another 416 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: four six of the pro day, I don't, I mean 417 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: who he is. It's who he is. I mean, I 418 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: don't think. I think he goes in the top one 419 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: hundred still, but he's not gonna be. There's no not 420 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: gonna mean to talk about him in the top forty. 421 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: Not at four SI no, No, he hurt himself. Four 422 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: six five is slow, and even though love the skills 423 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: as a playmaker, it changes the narrative that four six 424 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: five is horror for some coaches to get beyond. So 425 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: his Pro Day is gonna be very important for him 426 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: to kind of get that number down, to get into 427 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: the five the four or five range to make guys 428 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: feel comfortable, even though it doesn't seem like much. But 429 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: that four six five and then you look at the 430 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: jumps and stuff, just that up to the standard and 431 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: you know you have him. You had Joey Porter Jr. 432 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: Who ran at four four to six. But you just 433 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: want to see those guys. And so now we really 434 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: got to work him out. We got to take him 435 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: through the twist and turns to see what kind of 436 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: athlete are we getting And are the plays that he's 437 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: making due to his intelligibles and IQ more so than 438 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 1: his athleticism. I mean, what do you what do you think, 439 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: Tyr Matthew runs. I don't think he runs fast. Yeah, 440 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean that's a good pointing out. And he's an 441 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: instinct guy. Yeah, I think he's a four or five 442 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: now again, And you know the one thing we know this, 443 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: you don't get faster the longer you play, You only 444 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: get slower. So if you're coming in at a four 445 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: six five bench mark, yeah, I go hit that number again. 446 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: But Tyre, But but Matthew is a good I mean, 447 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: it's a good name to bring up, Rett because, uh, 448 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: you know, when he played on the field, he could 449 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: be exploited man coverage. That's a problem is you have 450 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: to let him play as a freestyler. You have to 451 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: allow him to use his eyes and play with his 452 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: eyes as opposed to his feet. And uh and and 453 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: when when you when you put him in the right scheme, 454 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: he's very productive. If you ask him to do something 455 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: like try to be a true nickel on cover from there, 456 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be a problem. And so yeah, because 457 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: he had to put in the right spot like that 458 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 1: last year at Arizona, like we talked about him as 459 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: a defensive Player of the Year candidate. Yeah, he was 460 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: all over the place. He was just like that dude 461 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: that could just make plays for your defense. So that 462 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: to me is like, that's what Gayer Brown did for 463 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: Penn State. Yeah, I'm fans, I'm man, but he does 464 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: need to run. And once again, once he get drafted, 465 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter your draft slide no longer matters. He 466 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: may turn into an all pro um. But for the 467 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: conversation now and where they go, everyone gets excited about 468 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: but that. But sometimes I'll tell players at an agent 469 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: will have me talk to their player and I just say, listen, 470 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Remember, it doesn't matter where you go. 471 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: It matters how you play. And you know from a 472 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: from a lifestyle and a and a and a you know, 473 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: trying to take care of yourself and your family and 474 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: a second contracts very important. So just play well. You 475 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: can be an undrafted free agent and turn into you know, 476 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Kenny Moore. Just just play well, right, Yeah, playing well 477 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: is key. I'm you know, I'm looking at the time. 478 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Robinson kid, Jamie Robinson from Florida State. 479 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: He runs four or five nine and I liked him 480 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: as dead Nickel. Yeah, role player. I'm looking at Antonio Johnson, 481 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: who put up a decent time four five two, um 482 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: due just different dude. He started like fifty eight games 483 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: in his career at Iowa State. Like that is dude 484 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: who's been around the block a little bit. Yeah, I mean, 485 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: you just you know, you're just trying to get these 486 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: guys that can play, that are aware, that are instinctive. 487 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, you don't want 488 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: to make it all about like what they're doing to 489 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: work out. You want to make sure that these guys 490 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: can play. But this is to make you go back 491 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: to the tape and see if these guys have any 492 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: speed deficiencies the short pole tape. Yeah, there's no question. 493 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: And I talk to DJ a little bit this morning, 494 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I think the consensus is this is 495 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: not going to be an early round safety class. It's 496 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: just it's it's nobody really stands out from the physical 497 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: the tape, and this happens at different positions every single year. 498 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: Might be defense, tackles might be you know, but but 499 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: cornerbacks they're gonna get pushed up. Some other positions are 500 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: gonna get But I still think it's got a great 501 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: chance of being a three tight end first round draft. Well, 502 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: it might be at the expense of the safety position, 503 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: where we may not see one or two safeties in 504 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: the first anymore. Yeah, because you don't have any special 505 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: athletes at the top of the board, right, and so 506 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: that normally drives a conversation. Yeah, we like good players, 507 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: but remember this is still a draft in which we 508 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: saw good guys, guys like Landy Collins, guys like David 509 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: McKitty go in the second round, and so we'll see 510 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: where they land. Yeah, you know, I had a flashback 511 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: because Trade Dean did not run the fastest forty. In fact, 512 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: I ran the slowest forty of all the safeties in 513 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: the four seventh Yeah, four sevens for seven five. That's 514 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: a rap. But he is a big dude. He is 515 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: a jumbo safety. We saw him make some plays. Remember 516 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: he's the defensive MVP of the Shrine Bowl. Yeah, and 517 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: you know what I don't know if you guys remember 518 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: this name, remember Greg Blue, Yeah yeah, and the Detroit Lions, 519 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: Like that's who you reminded me of. Just like a 520 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: big hulking guy that you know, he may find a home, 521 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, a little bit closer to line of scrimmage. 522 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: His problem is on tape, he just has bus all 523 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: over the place. What do you I mean, it's just 524 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: way too many bus. But he's he can cover a 525 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: Manda man like. So what I did was I put 526 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: my draft report. I think he's got a chance maybe 527 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: to transition over to cornerback. Well that was until I 528 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: saw him run. Yeah, I did to see him run 529 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: into four fives or maybe you know, maybe you make 530 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: an argument he can beat on people and be a 531 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: press a press and trail guy and a special teams guy. 532 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: And now it's gonna have to be Look, Brandon Browner 533 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: probably didn't run him, you know, four to six, that's 534 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: a different that was a different. Are we're gonna go 535 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: all the way back to Brandon Browner. Brandon Browner ran 536 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: four seven nine, Yeah, and that was a cover three 537 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: and he was a cover three guy. But I don't 538 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that you mean he had to go 539 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: to Canada for four years before he could come back down. Yeah, 540 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: you had to go to Canada, Canada where other guys 541 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: gets slower right in the league, to have put time 542 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: in the league and gets slower. But yeah, all right, 543 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: that's yeah, thats just that was one of those names 544 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: that kind of popped to me because we had seen 545 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: him in Vegas. So he's tough guy. I mean, listen, 546 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: you can still make teams for being a great special 547 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: teams player, and he has a type of mentality. He's 548 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: a he's tough. Yeah, he's yeah. So you know, special 549 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 1: teams coaches get involved in the process too, especially for safeties, linebackers, 550 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: big running backs, wide receivers, as gunners, you know things. Yeah, 551 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: so that's the other thing we're thinking about, specially he's 552 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: valued the slower guys special teams coach. That gonna be 553 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: really exciting. I know, well, having a guy cover now. 554 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see what it looks like. But let's 555 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: get to it. Like today's debate event Saturday, like everyone's 556 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: been talking about the quarterbacks and c J. Straile, Will Levis, 557 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, Tanna McKee and some others are throwing let's 558 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: go to it. What do we expect to see today? 559 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: I expect to see the Cincinnati wide receivers light up 560 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: the track the way the Maryland corners did, Tyler Scott 561 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: and Trey Tucker. Because I was talking to Sauce yesterday 562 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: and I was like, Sauce, which one of these dude's 563 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: gonna run faster? I mean, Tyler Scott is never caught 564 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: a touchdown sub twenty yards. Like all of his touchdowns, 565 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, end up going twenty plus or more. Six 566 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: of them went fifty plus or more. He is a 567 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: He is the dude that is going to pick them 568 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: up and put them down on this turf. And real 569 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: good route runners do, I mean like they separate from 570 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: dudes very quickly. So I'm watching out the Cincinnati wide outs. 571 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: I just got done watching a long snapper do a 572 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: bench press, and that might be the most combining thing 573 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I actually got to 574 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 1: watch a long snapper bench press, Like it doesn't get 575 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: more combine that. This is how you really trying to 576 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: pump it up. This is if you're a real one. 577 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: If you're a real one, then you're watching bench press 578 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: for combat. You know, bench press for long snappers. I'm 579 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 1: a real one. I feel like Bucky's a real one. 580 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 1: He's been through it. I mean, so that's a that's 581 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. I can barely even do a 582 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: podcast watching a long snapper bench press. But yeah, that's 583 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: a gay. Yeah, give me get it. I need to 584 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: keep out. Um. I would say Cedric Tillman, and I'll 585 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: tell you why. I don't think he's gonna I'm not 586 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: doing it because he's gonna when the when the you know, 587 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: Fastest Runner Award. I don't think he's gonna be I'm 588 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: hoping he works out here. I think he is. But uh, 589 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: Cedric Tillman, to me is the sneaky wide receiver that 590 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: we need to be talking about. Cedric Tillman put over 591 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty yards total on Georgia and Alabama 592 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one when he was healthy, two hundred 593 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: on one team, like one fifty two, one fifty three 594 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: on the other. This is a guy who had a 595 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: high ankle sprain in Game three this year, went and 596 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: had the tight rope procedure done so he could rush 597 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: back out and play with his teammates to try to 598 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: win a national championship. He is competitive, he is tough, 599 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: he's got great hands, he's got unbelievable size, and I 600 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: think I think he's a guy that's gonna start to 601 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: creep up because these wide receivers don't give me wide 602 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: receiver one vibes. But this is a guy that I 603 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: think really is getting slept on because Jalen Hyatt was 604 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: so good this year and because uh, you know, because 605 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: he just he was. He played with a high ankle 606 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: sprain this year. He was hurt. So I'm really interested 607 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: to see him work out here. Yeah, Jayleen, his got gas? 608 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: Is he running by the way breaks? Oh? I can't wait. 609 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: If he's had this superpower and he does it better 610 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: than anybody else, So keep an eye him and a 611 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: little intel about the wide receivers. There's a little debating 612 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: divide Jordan Addison. Guys want to see him work out. 613 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: There's a camp that really loves him. There's another camp 614 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: dead want to know wider production wasn't it should have 615 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: been at sc I'm at camp, you know, and uh 616 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: there's some love on the street, surprisingly from my Tariel Josh. 617 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: I'm in that camp too, So we're gonna wait to 618 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: see I'm telling you, man basketball athleticism, he's got a 619 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: he's got a different way of getting open. It reminds 620 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: me sometimes of watching uh you know, uh of watching 621 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how to describe who Spud 622 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: Webb No no, no from from Florida, a little slot 623 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: wide receiver who just got traded to Kansas City. Oh yeah, 624 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Darius Tony, he's got some. He's got some. They say 625 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: he's not they say he's not gonna be blazing fast. 626 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you what. I see him get away 627 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: from everybody on the field. Yeah, he's super quick. So 628 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: we get a chance to see that. But then the 629 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: main event is always gonna be the quarterback. C J Strelle, 630 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: Will Levis, Uh, Anthony Richardson, really Will Levis and Anthony 631 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: Richardson how those guys spent it could go a long 632 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: way to revamping Uh, some of the thoughts that we here. 633 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 1: Will Levis, Yeah, why why do you want to come 634 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: out here and throw? Because? I mean, because I got 635 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: a camp, throw it all it off. I loved it, Okay, 636 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: but I love you can't throw all those fast. Let's 637 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: go make send a change. So make sure you catch 638 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: us Tomorrow the podcast, we'll wrap up everything, talk about 639 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: what we saw from the quarterbacks of our receivers. Thanks 640 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: for joining to move to sixth podcasts