WEBVTT - Part One: The Racist Cult Behind Herbal Tea 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:10.039 What's infected. Statistically, roughly half of the audiences. I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:10.200 --> 0:00:13.280 This is behind the bastards. It's a podcast bad people. 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.439 Tell you all about him. Our guest today is Tai, 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.919 better known as Hey shady lady by from the boss 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:24.080 L v L podcast, twitch streamer and a youtuber. How 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.040 are you doing, tie? I'm doing absolutely wonderful. How are 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.680 you doing? I'm doing good. Now, tie, you're a friend 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.400 of our our head of of audio engineering here at 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:39.520 cool zone media, Daniel Goodman Um. Today, before we start 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:43.280 the podcast, let's each tell a secret about Daniel Um. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:47.080 He is very handsome. Not many people know this. That's 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.960 a very sweet secret secret. He murdered a man in 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:56.320 Barstow UH in nineteen. I was gonna go with a 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.680 story that are our other editor, Ian, told us about 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.840 Dan all in high school, but then I don't want 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:05.440 to an old to hate me, so I won't. So 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.959 I won't. But just if you're listening to this, I 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:15.360 fucking know what happened that. He's going to be on 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:17.720 the run from the marshals. So I could say whatever 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:22.880 you want. Um, podcasts great things. How do you? How 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.760 do you? How do you feel about tea, just like 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:29.080 the drinking tea, the beverage. Are you a tea drink? 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:31.679 I'm quite a fan. Yes, yes, I have a feeling here. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.000 Do you scar me? Do you have tea in your 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.200 house right now? Yes, yes, I have some black tea. 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.319 I've got some, a bunch of a whole. What the 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:45.240 word is? I'm looking for of herbal teas. Would you? 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.760 Would you do me a favor? We can cut some 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.240 of this for a time, but would you go look 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.600 at the herbal teas and tell me who makes the 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.800 herbal teas that you have? Let me grab the box. Yeah, 0:01:55.600 --> 0:02:00.720 I'm an overachiever. Okay, Oh yeah, hell yeah. That's a 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.240 traditional medicinals. It's a ginger eight, healthy digestive tree. I 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.160 got Puka, a three minute organic tea, and then another 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.120 traditional medicinals breathe easy, respiratory health tea. Now are any 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.520 of those? Okay, okay, look, I'm looking at okay, so 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.400 none of those. Ah Darn, none of those are celestial seasonings. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.240 I have actually deep dive celestial seasonings before and I 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.160 always side I because I'm like, isn't this some cult ship? 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:32.040 So you have, you have stumbled upon what we're doing. Today. Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.560 it's some cult ship and today we're going to talk 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:39.720 about the cult behind celestial seasonings te Um. Most of 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.600 the episode is going to be most of this is 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.560 going to be way, way deep background. We're basically spending 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.000 two hours talking about the backstory of the most popular team. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.600 used to drink celestial seasonings like almost religiously, because they 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.680 have a great sleepy time there. Yeah, there's, there's time 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.919 is the best selling tea in the in a world. Um, 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:05.639 it's extremely successful, certainly in the US. But we're talking 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.080 about the backstory to celestial seasonings sleepy time tea, and 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:15.919 it starts with a man named William Samuel Sadler. William 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:20.639 Sadler was born on June eighteen seventy five and Spencer, Indiana, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.880 or June fourteenth eighteen seventy five. I found a couple 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.000 of different claims. It doesn't really matter which. His father 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.800 was named Samuel and his mother was named Isabelle. They 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.520 were descendants from English and Irish immigrants. His mother was 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:35.920 terrified that he would catch an illness at public school 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.520 with the other kids, so they simply chose not to 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.040 enroll him in school. Um, which is, you know, a 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.160 good call. Uh, in eighteen, seventy five, what, you're not 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.840 losing anything. Um School was a disaster back then. So 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.640 he's the oldest of what would eventually be three children. 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:54.640 His two younger siblings were twin sisters, one of whom 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.480 died basically immediately. Um Sadler's father was a music tutor 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.320 and travel around different towns. He also ran a chain 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.840 of general stores. So William grew up with money and 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.520 access to financial resources, despite his lack of a formal education. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.320 The family was not initially religious. Will's father was far 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.440 too pragmatic for religion. His mother, though, was a seeker 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.159 and she joined a Christian church secretly behind his back. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.440 She worshiped as a stealth seventh day adventist for some time. 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:26.599 We should talk a little bit about the advent official 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.760 title the stealth. Yeah, yeah, she was like secret. Yeah, 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.280 she's like she's like fucking, she's like doing undercovers like 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.840 some Ninja Christians. Yeah, secretly worshiping on Saturdays and all 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.080 that good ship. Yeah, the seventh day adventists are like 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.520 a weird little Christian cult. We had a couple of 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.880 them that that come out in the United States. They 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.000 started as an apocalypse cult and then the apocalypse doesn't happen, 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.479 but they just keep right on going. Um. And Yeah, 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.720 they're still around today. They you know, she's she's a 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.960 secret seventh day adventist. Um. And Uh, for a while 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.040 she's just hiding it. And then William's younger sister dies 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.080 and once dad and everyone else is really sad, mom's 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.840 like it's the time I'm gonna get everybody fucking pilled 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.960 on adventism. Um, and the whole family converts when they're sad. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:17.760 So there you go. Um, it's good. It's like an 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:22.600 opportunistic infection. Um. So Samuel gets so taken with the 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.560 faith that he decides to take up a new job 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.599 and becomes a Bible salesman, which you used to be 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.120 able to make money being a Bible salesman. Now that 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:34.560 actually makes like no sense to make. I can't imagine 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:37.279 in eighteen, seventy five there's fucking anybody who doesn't have 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.120 a Bible. But yeah, yeah, maybe they're old bibles get 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.280 eaten by mice or something. There's could be like new 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.520 fancy ones who like UPDA, I'm sure, if they've got 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:51.080 like nice covers. Yeah, forty pages of extra Jesus. Um. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.880 Now I have found very little detail on Sadler's early life. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.480 Must have. Much of what we have comes in bits 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.919 and pieces through the dozens of books he would spoiler 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.520 author later in his life. Um, the excellent book God 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.200 talk by Spiritual Tourist Brad Gooch, which, my God, what 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.239 a title and name. Yeah, Brad Gooch, it's a good book, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.080 but what a ridiculous name. Brad Gooch, come on, man, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:15.640 you can't. You don't get to be called Brad Gooch. 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:21.560 To forget it, the Gooch. So the Gooch wrote a 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.159 book about this guy and he gives a rare detail 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.080 from his childhood. Quote. Growing up in Wabash Illinois, Sadler 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.960 exhibited an early predilection for learning and a talent for 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.000 public speaking. He borrowed history books from his neighbor, General 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.839 Lou Wallace, who was writing been her at the time. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.800 All this knowledge came in handy when Sadler's relative, general mcnought, 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.839 a one time chief of scouts to General Ulysses s grant, 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.159 asked him in a family reunion to stand on a 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:48.640 rain barrel and give a speech on the battles of history. 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:50.960 Sadler claimed that at the age of eight he had 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:54.120 addressed a high school commencement in Indianapolis on the subject 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:56.839 the crucial battles of history, and at age sixteen he 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.600 was dubbed the boy preacher in a local newspaper for 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.680 a serve that he delivered at a Fort Wayne Church. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.599 So number one, couple of things. This kid is growing 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.600 up wealthy enough that he has like a neighbor and 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:15.200 an uncle who are both like generals, Um, and they 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.480 kind of he's like giving speeches and ship at at 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.800 commencements for colleges and ship by that from the time 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:24.160 he's a little kid. Um, yeah, so he he grows up, 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.040 he's like a speech and debate boy, you know, like 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.440 that's the energy we've got here. As a speech and 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.840 debate boy. I can tell you there's very few things 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.040 in the world more dangerous. And he's he's the salesman, right, 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.520 the traveling salesman too. Well, his dad is okay, no, no, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.080 this is the kid. So this is a kid, but 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.360 he's got his dad's influence in there. So he knows 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.920 how to convince people to do what he says. His 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.880 Dad's a salesman and he's got these fucking generals teaching 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.560 him how to give public speeches. He's hanging out with 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.960 a guy who wrote been her. Yeah, recipe going. Yeah, 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.840 we got a great recipe going. This is going to 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.800 end well. So William spent his early childhood in the 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.000 town of Wabash Um. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.560 fucking it's Illinois. Is there a state that matters less? No, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.320 fuck them. I grew up in Glen Carbon for a 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:15.480 while anyway. At Age Fourteen, which was generally considered adulthood 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.520 back then, he left home for Battle Creek, Michigan. Um, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.119 there he got a job as the bellboy and kitchen 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:25.760 attendant at the battle creek sanitarium run by America's great 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.320 come doctor John Harvey Kellogg. Now, yeah, you just listen 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.120 to these episodes. What are your big takeaways on Kellogg? Oh, 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.760 I just I've never heard of a man more obsessed 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:44.080 with children's masturbation habits. That is true. It was very uh, yeah, sir. Yeah, 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:45.880 I don't wanna. This is probably a bad way to 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:50.079 frame it, but there are pedophiles less interested in that. Yeah, yeah, 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.280 it was. It was a lot. I was like, Oh, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:57.959 Jesus Christ wrong. Well, there are. Sorry. I just a 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.959 whole career around it, though, and was like obsessed with 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.880 studying it. It was some freaky, deaky ship. Yeah, it's 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:08.440 not cool right, like it's really pretty a real problem 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.800 the degree to which this guy was interested in how 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.439 kids master paid. Um. And he also he loved colonics. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:19.440 He loved shooting water at People's assholes. He invented machines 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:23.000 more effectively had to shoot yogurt up assholes and stuff. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.080 We did a couple of episodes on John Harvey Kellogg 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.880 with the Great Miles Gray. Check them out, um, but 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:34.040 in brief, gray was like, uh, like Sadler's mom, a 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.040 seventh day adventist. He believed sex was the root of 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.360 most evil and the way to keep people peer was 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.000 to avoid stimulating them. He also believed in physically assaulting 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.760 victims of child sex abuse as a way to treat them. Um, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:49.800 not a great guy. He was the most prominent seventh 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:53.760 day adventist in the country at the time, possibly. Ever, again, 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.560 this is the Guy Kellogg's comes from, so he's pretty 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.720 big name, right. Yeah, most people have a a product 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.079 that came out of his fascination with come somewhere in 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.640 their house. Yeah, it's like I'll never be able to 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.400 look at corn flakes the same again. No, you shouldn't. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.720 Corn flakes which, by the way, for listeners of our 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.640 old podcast, worst year ever, corn flakes are the exact 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:19.120 texture of Mitch McConnell's ejaculate, which is like scabs. He 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.120 comes SCABS, Mitch McConnell comes scabs. And Sophie, Sophie, we 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.440 want we want ty to come back to do this 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:30.400 podcast and enjoy. Say It's time to go to COCO puffs, 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.760 but I get a feeling that's probably Kellogg's too, so 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.360 I don't know. Well, cocoa puffs is kind of what 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:39.880 Josh Holly Ejaculates, although they are flavored like Josh Holly. 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:46.040 Um What, Sophie? This is science. Okay, you can't censor science. No, 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.720 this is pain, this is pure this left wing cancel 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.160 culture has gone too far. Al Right, Robert, move on. 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:58.959 So Dr Kellogg take saddler under his wing. Sadler starts 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.880 off will young. William at age fourteen, starts off basically 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.040 doing janitorial stuff, but Kellogg takes a shine to the 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.319 boy uh, and he gives William a spot in the 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.480 Adventists Battle Creek College where he learned to become a 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.120 minister at first. UH, he graduates in eighteen ninety four 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.680 and gets hired by Kellogg as a salesman for the 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.640 sanitarium's health food line, which was distributed by Kellogg's Corn 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.199 Flake Company. So this guy starts off as a corn 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:29.120 flake salesman. Um. Now, the late eighteen hundreds are a 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:32.720 time in which white people absolutely hated come, and William 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:36.360 did very well in selling anticom cereal to concerned parents 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.599 and state institutions. Uh, he persuaded his boss but that 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.360 the best way to sell their anticom cereal was to 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.600 do active demonstrations and grocery stores. And again, the primary 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.560 I'm not just bringing up the come because it's fun 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.640 to say come. The primary selling point for Kellogg's corn 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.960 flakes is that they don't stimulate you. So you're not 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.439 aroused right like, particularly so your kids won't touch themselves. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.440 I don't know how you demonstrate that in a grocery 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.760 store right now, serreal man. Do you feel like jacking off? No, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:09.280 you don't. It's done it I don't actually and it's 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:13.000 just so wild to me that I don't know what 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.440 a bleak time in it's a horrible time to be alive. 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.640 I can't think of many times I would less want 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.760 to be alive than this period of time in the 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.720 United States. Like what a nightmare. Go back to the 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.440 Roman Empire. Sure, there's less medicine, but at least you're 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:32.360 getting drunk on lead wine and fucking right like, Um, Jesus. 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.079 So he started at one of the things that this means, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.520 because he comes up with this idea of hey, let's 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.000 take our our our cereal to grocery stores. He's kind 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.079 of a pioneer in the free sample at grocery store 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:49.680 food advertising business. Um, so there you go. William Sadler 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.680 in Vince helps invince sample culture. That's kind of NEAT. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.400 You've also been some salesman, though, to be like this 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.240 is the most bland cereal of your life by it 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:01.200 and people bought it. Like that's that's some salesmanship there either. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.120 I think he's starting from like, you know what? God 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.720 hates when you're at all excited. Ever, God wants you 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.480 to be like perpetually in a state of like on 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:17.079 we uh, so eat these corn flakes, you'll feel nothing. God. Um, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:22.440 you know that's not too far. Yeah, no, this is 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.920 more or less like where, where Christian conservatives have always 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.160 been Um, except for now they have a real heart 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.920 on for guns that they didn't used to have um anyway, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.960 it was a different time. So Sadler was a massive prude. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.480 He formed the young men's intelligent society while he was 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.440 working at Battle Creek. This was a volunteer detective outfit 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.280 with the aid of working with us, the US post 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.080 office and the Comstock Society for the suppression of Vice, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.880 to arrest printers and retails of pornography. So he becomes 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:58.080 a volunteer anti porn detective. Oh my God, I can't 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.760 imagine a bigger nerd in my life. I know he's 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.200 the biggest fucking wet blanket. He's such he's such a 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.760 good anti porn detective that he gets part time detective 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.640 work at a couple of big government agencies and is 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.199 offered a job at what would become the FBI, or 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.440 at least he claims that he gets offered a job 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.560 at what would become the FBI. There's no evidence of this, 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.960 but yeah, he's the O G in cell he has 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:27.080 he's fucking strong in cell energy here. Um, so in 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:31.040 eight Dr Kellogg told Sadler that he had to attend 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.120 the Moody Bible Institute in Illinois Uh and learned to 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.800 be an evangelist, and he eventually becomes, you know, ordained. 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.120 He does all the does all the good adventist Jesus stuff. 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.000 He also gets promoted to lead Dr Kellogg's Lifeboat Mission 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.200 in Chicago, which sought to revitalize skid row through corn flakes. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.520 Over the next decade Sadler met and married John Kellogg's niece, Lena, 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.360 and had a son who died immediately and a second 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.760 son who did not die. The dead son seems to 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.960 have ignited an interest in both uh Kella, or in 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.680 both Lena and in William, to study medicine Um, and 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.640 that's interesting. So both his his parents, lose a kid 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.040 and it makes them religious, and then William and his 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.920 wife lose a kid and it makes them decide to 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.920 become doctors. William is said to have told his wife 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.520 after their kid died, quote, you can have another baby 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.760 and perhaps in the meantime, since you've always wanted to 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.640 do it, we can study medicine, which is like an 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.160 interesting way of comforting her the death of the very comforting. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.920 You can have another and we'll become doctors. So they 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.360 moved to San Francisco. They go to medical school, they 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.520 do meant more missionary ship, Yada, Yada, Yada. Eventually they 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.960 get their degrees, uh, and they head back to Michigan. Um, 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:44.760 in nineteen o one saddler is ordained as an elder 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.520 in the adventist church, which is like a minister or 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.160 a priest basically. And Yeah, for a while things are good. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.600 They're happy in the faith. UH, they're big names at 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.560 the Battle Creek Sanitarium. He's basically Dr Kellogg's right hand man. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.280 But at around nineteen o five, Dr Kellogg and Dr 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.760 Sadler Begin to have issues with perhaps the only member 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.520 of the adventist church more prominent than Dr Kellogg. Her 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:12.200 name was MS MRS L EN G White. She had 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.000 been born in Maine in eighty seven. When she was nine, 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:16.640 she was hit on the head with a rock by 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.160 another student and permanently disfigured. The rocks sent her into 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.320 a coma that lasted for several months and, as you 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.880 might guess, she would later claim that the severe head 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:28.200 injury brought her into communion with God. Um. This is 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.280 a common story with people who claimed to have talked 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.040 to God as severe head injuries. So if you want 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.960 your kid to become, you know, a prophet, hit him 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.520 in the head with a rock. That's our that's the 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:43.160 official that's just how recommends, on the advice of our 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.000 medical experts. If you want your kid to talk to God, 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.400 hit him in the head with a rock. So if 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:50.640 he can, we play that that ad from big rock. 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.800 We can't, but I was just going to say that 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.200 from some of the things they put on radio, I 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:01.080 wouldn't be well. It is times ran ad break. So 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:08.000 sponsors both the concert tour and also hitting kids in 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:17.080 the head with rocks. So go do both. We're back, 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:22.480 Um and uh I'm just enjoying this free novelty rock 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:29.120 that was sent to me from the Rock Company UH rocks. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:33.960 Hit Kids with him. It's good for him. Sophie's just 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.720 letting this happen. Wow, really falling down on the job. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.320 I was marking that that that Chris, who has threatened 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.639 violence over the amount of times made him bleak things. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.440 UH IS gonna have to bleep more and I was like, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.560 I'll tell him, but that just is gonna make him 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.760 do it. More it is. It is. I am like 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:57.560 a child. That was something I was I was actually 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.159 inspired by behind the bastards. When I was listening, I 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.480 was like, Dang, we're so like over in boss level. 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.919 We're like tiptneer on our ads and then you're just 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.760 like yeah, go by this ship, and I'm like, you know, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:08.680 let's have a little work fun by this ship. Hit 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:13.760 A kid with a rock. All right, so we're back. Uh. So, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.920 Ellen white gets hit in the head with a fucking rock, 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.320 talks to God and for the next part of this 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.119 story I'm going to quote from a write up by 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.840 Tim challeys, who's some weird religious guy I think, but whatever. Quote. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.320 When Ellen was twelve, she and her family attended a 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:28.960 methodist camp meeting in Buxton, Maine, and there she had 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.600 a formative religious experience in which she professed faith in 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.520 Jesus Christ. In eighteen forty and eighteen forty two, she 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.639 and her family attended adventist meetings and became devotees of 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.679 William Miller. Miller had dedicated himself to the study of 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.359 Biblical Prophecy and was convinced that Christ would return on 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.199 October two. Eighteen forty four when Christ did not return, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.720 a non event that would become known as the great disappointment. 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.879 Most people abandoned adventism, but in the resulting confusion, Ellen 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.199 claimed to have received visions that were soon accepted as 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.560 God given revelation. The small adventist movement that remained was 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.280 split by many rifts and much in fighting, but ellen 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.399 was believed to have a gift that could reunite and 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.000 guide the movement. Her dreams and visions continued and she 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.960 quickly became a leader among them. So that's how she 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:13.240 winds up running, basically running, the adventist faith. She becomes 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.440 kind of queen ship of adventism. She moves the religion's 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.280 headquarters to Battle Creek, which is why Dr Kellogg Picks 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.720 Battle Creek to be the location of his sanitarium. Ellen 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.920 continues receiving visions and dreams over the next half century. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.480 They're collected in a book testimonies of the Church, which 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.320 eventually takes up nine volumes. As time went on, her 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.640 preaching diverged more and more from Christian Orthodoxy. She began 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.080 to tell people that God does not torture sinners for 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.000 all eternity and instead souls are just deleted at the 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:43.280 last judgment, which I guess is better. Um, but this 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.119 makes Christians angry because they want everybody to be tortured 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.680 for forever, or at least it makes some Christians angry. Uh. So, 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:53.199 for many years, though, Kellogg and her our thickest thieves. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.400 Kellogg is kind of the primary driver of both good 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.440 press and money for the adventist faith Um, and as 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:03.160 a result she starts having revelations that support his health 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:06.119 food business. So, you know, as he becomes prominent, she 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.920 keeps having revelations. Oh God, won't you eating going flakes? 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.840 You know that good ship. It's cool, it's a good grift, 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:13.720 to be honest, and it works well for a while. 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:17.119 But over time Kellogg grows too powerful, because Kellogg is 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.840 not just a religious figure. He's like he's like Doctor Oz, 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.760 except for he doesn't get into politics. Like he's beloved. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.160 I can't, I can't get over how funny that is. That, 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:32.360 like the vision is eat corn flakes, like, eat corn flakes, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:36.400 don't come up your asshole. The Graham crackers and stuff too, 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:40.200 just the blandest food you can imagine. It's this mix 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:43.200 of the blandest food and shooting yogurt up your ass, 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:46.520 which I have to think resulted in some weird ass 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.360 kinks for a lot of people. Like there's a generation 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.720 of kids who go to the Battle Creek Sanitarium as 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:54.880 children and become adults who are into the weirdest shit. Imagine. 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.960 It's just the saddest way to live life. Like they 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.120 don't want any I remember you saying from the other 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:05.080 episodes like no, no feelings at all. Just cruised through 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:09.040 with on absolute no emotions. You don't feel any pleasure, 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.080 but it sounds like they're okay with pain and it's 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.000 just so strangely. Pain is good because Jesus felt pain, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.000 but joy is bad because that part's unclear. It is weird. 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.480 You know what it sounds a lot like. Honestly, is 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:27.000 like fucking George Lucas Jedi, where they're like you're not, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:28.920 you're not supposed to be in love, you're not supposed 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.359 to be happy, any good, any kind of emotion is bad. Yeah, 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.320 they're they're fucking, they're fucking. Jedi is a ship religion. 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.640 Um Anyway. So things are going good for a while, 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.760 but Kellogg just gets too powerful because not not only 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:46.760 is he like a popular adventist figure. Every famous person, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.840 Henry Ford is going to the sanitarium. All of the 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.320 famous people in like the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.480 hundreds wind up at his sanity. Teddy Roosevelt there, I think, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.200 Um and he just gets too powerful. Ellen why is 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.679 supposed to be like the profit of the religion, and 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.199 this guy's fucking outshining her. Soon his sanitarium had more 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.600 than two thousand employees, while the entire church only employed 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.760 fifteen hundred people. For an understanding of the riff that followed, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.399 I want to quote from Ellen White's estate, which is 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:18.679 very biased and obviously silly, but it gives you a 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.800 good idea of her side of the dispute. Ellen white 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.280 warned him against separating the medical work from the church. 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.600 She also was concerned that he had gathered too much 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:29.879 power to himself. Despite Kellogg's attempts to discredit her, she 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.159 relentlessly tried to save him from apostasy. She even stayed 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.000 in his home during the nineteen o one general conference 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:38.600