Speaker 1: What's infected. Statistically, roughly half of the audiences. I'm Robert Evans.
Speaker 1: This is behind the bastards. It's a podcast bad people.
Speaker 1: Tell you all about him. Our guest today is Tai,
Speaker 1: better known as Hey shady lady by from the boss
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Speaker 1: cool zone media, Daniel Goodman Um. Today, before we start
Speaker 1: the podcast, let's each tell a secret about Daniel Um.
Speaker 1: He is very handsome. Not many people know this. That's
Speaker 1: a very sweet secret secret. He murdered a man in
Speaker 1: Barstow UH in nineteen. I was gonna go with a
Speaker 1: story that are our other editor, Ian, told us about
Speaker 1: Dan all in high school, but then I don't want
Speaker 1: to an old to hate me, so I won't. So
Speaker 1: I won't. But just if you're listening to this, I
Speaker 1: fucking know what happened that. He's going to be on
Speaker 1: the run from the marshals. So I could say whatever
Speaker 1: you want. Um, podcasts great things. How do you? How
Speaker 1: do you? How do you feel about tea, just like
Speaker 1: the drinking tea, the beverage. Are you a tea drink?
Speaker 1: I'm quite a fan. Yes, yes, I have a feeling here.
Speaker 1: Do you scar me? Do you have tea in your
Speaker 1: house right now? Yes, yes, I have some black tea.
Speaker 1: I've got some, a bunch of a whole. What the
Speaker 1: word is? I'm looking for of herbal teas. Would you?
Speaker 1: Would you do me a favor? We can cut some
Speaker 1: of this for a time, but would you go look
Speaker 1: at the herbal teas and tell me who makes the
Speaker 1: herbal teas that you have? Let me grab the box. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm an overachiever. Okay, Oh yeah, hell yeah. That's a
Speaker 1: traditional medicinals. It's a ginger eight, healthy digestive tree. I
Speaker 1: got Puka, a three minute organic tea, and then another
Speaker 1: traditional medicinals breathe easy, respiratory health tea. Now are any
Speaker 1: of those? Okay, okay, look, I'm looking at okay, so
Speaker 1: none of those. Ah Darn, none of those are celestial seasonings.
Speaker 1: I have actually deep dive celestial seasonings before and I
Speaker 1: always side I because I'm like, isn't this some cult ship?
Speaker 1: So you have, you have stumbled upon what we're doing. Today. Yes, indeed, yes, indeed,
Speaker 1: it's some cult ship and today we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the cult behind celestial seasonings te Um. Most of
Speaker 1: the episode is going to be most of this is
Speaker 1: going to be way, way deep background. We're basically spending
Speaker 1: two hours talking about the backstory of the most popular team.
Speaker 1: used to drink celestial seasonings like almost religiously, because they
Speaker 1: have a great sleepy time there. Yeah, there's, there's time
Speaker 1: is the best selling tea in the in a world. Um,
Speaker 1: it's extremely successful, certainly in the US. But we're talking
Speaker 1: about the backstory to celestial seasonings sleepy time tea, and
Speaker 1: it starts with a man named William Samuel Sadler. William
Speaker 1: Sadler was born on June eighteen seventy five and Spencer, Indiana,
Speaker 1: or June fourteenth eighteen seventy five. I found a couple
Speaker 1: of different claims. It doesn't really matter which. His father
Speaker 1: was named Samuel and his mother was named Isabelle. They
Speaker 1: were descendants from English and Irish immigrants. His mother was
Speaker 1: terrified that he would catch an illness at public school
Speaker 1: with the other kids, so they simply chose not to
Speaker 1: enroll him in school. Um, which is, you know, a
Speaker 1: good call. Uh, in eighteen, seventy five, what, you're not
Speaker 1: losing anything. Um School was a disaster back then. So
Speaker 1: he's the oldest of what would eventually be three children.
Speaker 1: His two younger siblings were twin sisters, one of whom
Speaker 1: died basically immediately. Um Sadler's father was a music tutor
Speaker 1: and travel around different towns. He also ran a chain
Speaker 1: of general stores. So William grew up with money and
Speaker 1: access to financial resources, despite his lack of a formal education.
Speaker 1: The family was not initially religious. Will's father was far
Speaker 1: too pragmatic for religion. His mother, though, was a seeker
Speaker 1: and she joined a Christian church secretly behind his back.
Speaker 1: She worshiped as a stealth seventh day adventist for some time.
Speaker 1: We should talk a little bit about the advent official
Speaker 1: title the stealth. Yeah, yeah, she was like secret. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like she's like fucking, she's like doing undercovers like
Speaker 1: some Ninja Christians. Yeah, secretly worshiping on Saturdays and all
Speaker 1: that good ship. Yeah, the seventh day adventists are like
Speaker 1: a weird little Christian cult. We had a couple of
Speaker 1: them that that come out in the United States. They
Speaker 1: started as an apocalypse cult and then the apocalypse doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: but they just keep right on going. Um. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're still around today. They you know, she's she's a
Speaker 1: secret seventh day adventist. Um. And Uh, for a while
Speaker 1: she's just hiding it. And then William's younger sister dies
Speaker 1: and once dad and everyone else is really sad, mom's
Speaker 1: like it's the time I'm gonna get everybody fucking pilled
Speaker 1: on adventism. Um, and the whole family converts when they're sad.
Speaker 1: So there you go. Um, it's good. It's like an
Speaker 1: opportunistic infection. Um. So Samuel gets so taken with the
Speaker 1: faith that he decides to take up a new job
Speaker 1: and becomes a Bible salesman, which you used to be
Speaker 1: able to make money being a Bible salesman. Now that
Speaker 1: actually makes like no sense to make. I can't imagine
Speaker 1: in eighteen, seventy five there's fucking anybody who doesn't have
Speaker 1: a Bible. But yeah, yeah, maybe they're old bibles get
Speaker 1: eaten by mice or something. There's could be like new
Speaker 1: fancy ones who like UPDA, I'm sure, if they've got
Speaker 1: like nice covers. Yeah, forty pages of extra Jesus. Um.
Speaker 1: Now I have found very little detail on Sadler's early life.
Speaker 1: Must have. Much of what we have comes in bits
Speaker 1: and pieces through the dozens of books he would spoiler
Speaker 1: author later in his life. Um, the excellent book God
Speaker 1: talk by Spiritual Tourist Brad Gooch, which, my God, what
Speaker 1: a title and name. Yeah, Brad Gooch, it's a good book,
Speaker 1: but what a ridiculous name. Brad Gooch, come on, man,
Speaker 1: you can't. You don't get to be called Brad Gooch.
Speaker 1: To forget it, the Gooch. So the Gooch wrote a
Speaker 1: book about this guy and he gives a rare detail
Speaker 1: from his childhood. Quote. Growing up in Wabash Illinois, Sadler
Speaker 1: exhibited an early predilection for learning and a talent for
Speaker 1: public speaking. He borrowed history books from his neighbor, General
Speaker 1: Lou Wallace, who was writing been her at the time.
Speaker 1: All this knowledge came in handy when Sadler's relative, general mcnought,
Speaker 1: a one time chief of scouts to General Ulysses s grant,
Speaker 1: asked him in a family reunion to stand on a
Speaker 1: rain barrel and give a speech on the battles of history.
Speaker 1: Sadler claimed that at the age of eight he had
Speaker 1: addressed a high school commencement in Indianapolis on the subject
Speaker 1: the crucial battles of history, and at age sixteen he
Speaker 1: was dubbed the boy preacher in a local newspaper for
Speaker 1: a serve that he delivered at a Fort Wayne Church.
Speaker 1: So number one, couple of things. This kid is growing
Speaker 1: up wealthy enough that he has like a neighbor and
Speaker 1: an uncle who are both like generals, Um, and they
Speaker 1: kind of he's like giving speeches and ship at at
Speaker 1: commencements for colleges and ship by that from the time
Speaker 1: he's a little kid. Um, yeah, so he he grows up,
Speaker 1: he's like a speech and debate boy, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's the energy we've got here. As a speech and
Speaker 1: debate boy. I can tell you there's very few things
Speaker 1: in the world more dangerous. And he's he's the salesman, right,
Speaker 1: the traveling salesman too. Well, his dad is okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is the kid. So this is a kid, but
Speaker 1: he's got his dad's influence in there. So he knows
Speaker 1: how to convince people to do what he says. His
Speaker 1: Dad's a salesman and he's got these fucking generals teaching
Speaker 1: him how to give public speeches. He's hanging out with
Speaker 1: a guy who wrote been her. Yeah, recipe going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a great recipe going. This is going to
Speaker 1: end well. So William spent his early childhood in the
Speaker 1: town of Wabash Um. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but
Speaker 1: fucking it's Illinois. Is there a state that matters less? No,
Speaker 1: fuck them. I grew up in Glen Carbon for a
Speaker 1: while anyway. At Age Fourteen, which was generally considered adulthood
Speaker 1: back then, he left home for Battle Creek, Michigan. Um,
Speaker 1: there he got a job as the bellboy and kitchen
Speaker 1: attendant at the battle creek sanitarium run by America's great
Speaker 1: come doctor John Harvey Kellogg. Now, yeah, you just listen
Speaker 1: to these episodes. What are your big takeaways on Kellogg? Oh,
Speaker 1: I just I've never heard of a man more obsessed
Speaker 1: with children's masturbation habits. That is true. It was very uh, yeah, sir. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't wanna. This is probably a bad way to
Speaker 1: frame it, but there are pedophiles less interested in that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a lot. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ wrong. Well, there are. Sorry. I just a
Speaker 1: whole career around it, though, and was like obsessed with
Speaker 1: studying it. It was some freaky, deaky ship. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not cool right, like it's really pretty a real problem
Speaker 1: the degree to which this guy was interested in how
Speaker 1: kids master paid. Um. And he also he loved colonics.
Speaker 1: He loved shooting water at People's assholes. He invented machines
Speaker 1: more effectively had to shoot yogurt up assholes and stuff.
Speaker 1: We did a couple of episodes on John Harvey Kellogg
Speaker 1: with the Great Miles Gray. Check them out, um, but
Speaker 1: in brief, gray was like, uh, like Sadler's mom, a
Speaker 1: seventh day adventist. He believed sex was the root of
Speaker 1: most evil and the way to keep people peer was
Speaker 1: to avoid stimulating them. He also believed in physically assaulting
Speaker 1: victims of child sex abuse as a way to treat them. Um,
Speaker 1: not a great guy. He was the most prominent seventh
Speaker 1: day adventist in the country at the time, possibly. Ever, again,
Speaker 1: this is the Guy Kellogg's comes from, so he's pretty
Speaker 1: big name, right. Yeah, most people have a a product
Speaker 1: that came out of his fascination with come somewhere in
Speaker 1: their house. Yeah, it's like I'll never be able to
Speaker 1: look at corn flakes the same again. No, you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Corn flakes which, by the way, for listeners of our
Speaker 1: old podcast, worst year ever, corn flakes are the exact
Speaker 1: texture of Mitch McConnell's ejaculate, which is like scabs. He
Speaker 1: comes SCABS, Mitch McConnell comes scabs. And Sophie, Sophie, we
Speaker 1: want we want ty to come back to do this
Speaker 1: podcast and enjoy. Say It's time to go to COCO puffs,
Speaker 1: but I get a feeling that's probably Kellogg's too, so
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, cocoa puffs is kind of what
Speaker 1: Josh Holly Ejaculates, although they are flavored like Josh Holly.
Speaker 1: Um What, Sophie? This is science. Okay, you can't censor science. No,
Speaker 1: this is pain, this is pure this left wing cancel
Speaker 1: culture has gone too far. Al Right, Robert, move on.
Speaker 1: So Dr Kellogg take saddler under his wing. Sadler starts
Speaker 1: off will young. William at age fourteen, starts off basically
Speaker 1: doing janitorial stuff, but Kellogg takes a shine to the
Speaker 1: boy uh, and he gives William a spot in the
Speaker 1: Adventists Battle Creek College where he learned to become a
Speaker 1: minister at first. UH, he graduates in eighteen ninety four
Speaker 1: and gets hired by Kellogg as a salesman for the
Speaker 1: sanitarium's health food line, which was distributed by Kellogg's Corn
Speaker 1: Flake Company. So this guy starts off as a corn
Speaker 1: flake salesman. Um. Now, the late eighteen hundreds are a
Speaker 1: time in which white people absolutely hated come, and William
Speaker 1: did very well in selling anticom cereal to concerned parents
Speaker 1: and state institutions. Uh, he persuaded his boss but that
Speaker 1: the best way to sell their anticom cereal was to
Speaker 1: do active demonstrations and grocery stores. And again, the primary
Speaker 1: I'm not just bringing up the come because it's fun
Speaker 1: to say come. The primary selling point for Kellogg's corn
Speaker 1: flakes is that they don't stimulate you. So you're not
Speaker 1: aroused right like, particularly so your kids won't touch themselves.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you demonstrate that in a grocery
Speaker 1: store right now, serreal man. Do you feel like jacking off? No,
Speaker 1: you don't. It's done it I don't actually and it's
Speaker 1: just so wild to me that I don't know what
Speaker 1: a bleak time in it's a horrible time to be alive.
Speaker 1: I can't think of many times I would less want
Speaker 1: to be alive than this period of time in the
Speaker 1: United States. Like what a nightmare. Go back to the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire. Sure, there's less medicine, but at least you're
Speaker 1: getting drunk on lead wine and fucking right like, Um, Jesus.
Speaker 1: So he started at one of the things that this means,
Speaker 1: because he comes up with this idea of hey, let's
Speaker 1: take our our our cereal to grocery stores. He's kind
Speaker 1: of a pioneer in the free sample at grocery store
Speaker 1: food advertising business. Um, so there you go. William Sadler
Speaker 1: in Vince helps invince sample culture. That's kind of NEAT.
Speaker 1: You've also been some salesman, though, to be like this
Speaker 1: is the most bland cereal of your life by it
Speaker 1: and people bought it. Like that's that's some salesmanship there either.
Speaker 1: I think he's starting from like, you know what? God
Speaker 1: hates when you're at all excited. Ever, God wants you
Speaker 1: to be like perpetually in a state of like on
Speaker 1: we uh, so eat these corn flakes, you'll feel nothing. God. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that's not too far. Yeah, no, this is
Speaker 1: more or less like where, where Christian conservatives have always
Speaker 1: been Um, except for now they have a real heart
Speaker 1: on for guns that they didn't used to have um anyway,
Speaker 1: it was a different time. So Sadler was a massive prude.
Speaker 1: He formed the young men's intelligent society while he was
Speaker 1: working at Battle Creek. This was a volunteer detective outfit
Speaker 1: with the aid of working with us, the US post
Speaker 1: office and the Comstock Society for the suppression of Vice,
Speaker 1: to arrest printers and retails of pornography. So he becomes
Speaker 1: a volunteer anti porn detective. Oh my God, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine a bigger nerd in my life. I know he's
Speaker 1: the biggest fucking wet blanket. He's such he's such a
Speaker 1: good anti porn detective that he gets part time detective
Speaker 1: work at a couple of big government agencies and is
Speaker 1: offered a job at what would become the FBI, or
Speaker 1: at least he claims that he gets offered a job
Speaker 1: at what would become the FBI. There's no evidence of this,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's the O G in cell he has
Speaker 1: he's fucking strong in cell energy here. Um, so in
Speaker 1: eight Dr Kellogg told Sadler that he had to attend
Speaker 1: the Moody Bible Institute in Illinois Uh and learned to
Speaker 1: be an evangelist, and he eventually becomes, you know, ordained.
Speaker 1: He does all the does all the good adventist Jesus stuff.
Speaker 1: He also gets promoted to lead Dr Kellogg's Lifeboat Mission
Speaker 1: in Chicago, which sought to revitalize skid row through corn flakes.
Speaker 1: Over the next decade Sadler met and married John Kellogg's niece, Lena,
Speaker 1: and had a son who died immediately and a second
Speaker 1: son who did not die. The dead son seems to
Speaker 1: have ignited an interest in both uh Kella, or in
Speaker 1: both Lena and in William, to study medicine Um, and
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So both his his parents, lose a kid
Speaker 1: and it makes them religious, and then William and his
Speaker 1: wife lose a kid and it makes them decide to
Speaker 1: become doctors. William is said to have told his wife
Speaker 1: after their kid died, quote, you can have another baby
Speaker 1: and perhaps in the meantime, since you've always wanted to
Speaker 1: do it, we can study medicine, which is like an
Speaker 1: interesting way of comforting her the death of the very comforting.
Speaker 1: You can have another and we'll become doctors. So they
Speaker 1: moved to San Francisco. They go to medical school, they
Speaker 1: do meant more missionary ship, Yada, Yada, Yada. Eventually they
Speaker 1: get their degrees, uh, and they head back to Michigan. Um,
Speaker 1: in nineteen o one saddler is ordained as an elder
Speaker 1: in the adventist church, which is like a minister or
Speaker 1: a priest basically. And Yeah, for a while things are good.
Speaker 1: They're happy in the faith. UH, they're big names at
Speaker 1: the Battle Creek Sanitarium. He's basically Dr Kellogg's right hand man.
Speaker 1: But at around nineteen o five, Dr Kellogg and Dr
Speaker 1: Sadler Begin to have issues with perhaps the only member
Speaker 1: of the adventist church more prominent than Dr Kellogg. Her
Speaker 1: name was MS MRS L EN G White. She had
Speaker 1: been born in Maine in eighty seven. When she was nine,
Speaker 1: she was hit on the head with a rock by
Speaker 1: another student and permanently disfigured. The rocks sent her into
Speaker 1: a coma that lasted for several months and, as you
Speaker 1: might guess, she would later claim that the severe head
Speaker 1: injury brought her into communion with God. Um. This is
Speaker 1: a common story with people who claimed to have talked
Speaker 1: to God as severe head injuries. So if you want
Speaker 1: your kid to become, you know, a prophet, hit him
Speaker 1: in the head with a rock. That's our that's the
Speaker 1: official that's just how recommends, on the advice of our
Speaker 1: medical experts. If you want your kid to talk to God,
Speaker 1: hit him in the head with a rock. So if
Speaker 1: he can, we play that that ad from big rock.
Speaker 1: We can't, but I was just going to say that
Speaker 1: from some of the things they put on radio, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be well. It is times ran ad break. So
Speaker 1: sponsors both the concert tour and also hitting kids in
Speaker 1: the head with rocks. So go do both. We're back,
Speaker 1: Um and uh I'm just enjoying this free novelty rock
Speaker 1: that was sent to me from the Rock Company UH rocks.
Speaker 1: Hit Kids with him. It's good for him. Sophie's just
Speaker 1: letting this happen. Wow, really falling down on the job.
Speaker 1: I was marking that that that Chris, who has threatened
Speaker 1: violence over the amount of times made him bleak things.
Speaker 1: UH IS gonna have to bleep more and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll tell him, but that just is gonna make him
Speaker 1: do it. More it is. It is. I am like
Speaker 1: a child. That was something I was I was actually
Speaker 1: inspired by behind the bastards. When I was listening, I
Speaker 1: was like, Dang, we're so like over in boss level.
Speaker 1: We're like tiptneer on our ads and then you're just
Speaker 1: like yeah, go by this ship, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: let's have a little work fun by this ship. Hit
Speaker 1: A kid with a rock. All right, so we're back. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: Ellen white gets hit in the head with a fucking rock,
Speaker 1: talks to God and for the next part of this
Speaker 1: story I'm going to quote from a write up by
Speaker 1: Tim challeys, who's some weird religious guy I think, but whatever. Quote.
Speaker 1: When Ellen was twelve, she and her family attended a
Speaker 1: methodist camp meeting in Buxton, Maine, and there she had
Speaker 1: a formative religious experience in which she professed faith in
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. In eighteen forty and eighteen forty two, she
Speaker 1: and her family attended adventist meetings and became devotees of
Speaker 1: William Miller. Miller had dedicated himself to the study of
Speaker 1: Biblical Prophecy and was convinced that Christ would return on
Speaker 1: October two. Eighteen forty four when Christ did not return,
Speaker 1: a non event that would become known as the great disappointment.
Speaker 1: Most people abandoned adventism, but in the resulting confusion, Ellen
Speaker 1: claimed to have received visions that were soon accepted as
Speaker 1: God given revelation. The small adventist movement that remained was
Speaker 1: split by many rifts and much in fighting, but ellen
Speaker 1: was believed to have a gift that could reunite and
Speaker 1: guide the movement. Her dreams and visions continued and she
Speaker 1: quickly became a leader among them. So that's how she
Speaker 1: winds up running, basically running, the adventist faith. She becomes
Speaker 1: kind of queen ship of adventism. She moves the religion's
Speaker 1: headquarters to Battle Creek, which is why Dr Kellogg Picks
Speaker 1: Battle Creek to be the location of his sanitarium. Ellen
Speaker 1: continues receiving visions and dreams over the next half century.
Speaker 1: They're collected in a book testimonies of the Church, which
Speaker 1: eventually takes up nine volumes. As time went on, her
Speaker 1: preaching diverged more and more from Christian Orthodoxy. She began
Speaker 1: to tell people that God does not torture sinners for
Speaker 1: all eternity and instead souls are just deleted at the
Speaker 1: last judgment, which I guess is better. Um, but this
Speaker 1: makes Christians angry because they want everybody to be tortured
Speaker 1: for forever, or at least it makes some Christians angry. Uh. So,
Speaker 1: for many years, though, Kellogg and her our thickest thieves.
Speaker 1: Kellogg is kind of the primary driver of both good
Speaker 1: press and money for the adventist faith Um, and as
Speaker 1: a result she starts having revelations that support his health
Speaker 1: food business. So, you know, as he becomes prominent, she
Speaker 1: keeps having revelations. Oh God, won't you eating going flakes?
Speaker 1: You know that good ship. It's cool, it's a good grift,
Speaker 1: to be honest, and it works well for a while.
Speaker 1: But over time Kellogg grows too powerful, because Kellogg is
Speaker 1: not just a religious figure. He's like he's like Doctor Oz,
Speaker 1: except for he doesn't get into politics. Like he's beloved.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't get over how funny that is. That,
Speaker 1: like the vision is eat corn flakes, like, eat corn flakes,
Speaker 1: don't come up your asshole. The Graham crackers and stuff too,
Speaker 1: just the blandest food you can imagine. It's this mix
Speaker 1: of the blandest food and shooting yogurt up your ass,
Speaker 1: which I have to think resulted in some weird ass
Speaker 1: kinks for a lot of people. Like there's a generation
Speaker 1: of kids who go to the Battle Creek Sanitarium as
Speaker 1: children and become adults who are into the weirdest shit. Imagine.
Speaker 1: It's just the saddest way to live life. Like they
Speaker 1: don't want any I remember you saying from the other
Speaker 1: episodes like no, no feelings at all. Just cruised through
Speaker 1: with on absolute no emotions. You don't feel any pleasure,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like they're okay with pain and it's
Speaker 1: just so strangely. Pain is good because Jesus felt pain,
Speaker 1: but joy is bad because that part's unclear. It is weird.
Speaker 1: You know what it sounds a lot like. Honestly, is
Speaker 1: like fucking George Lucas Jedi, where they're like you're not,
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to be in love, you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to be happy, any good, any kind of emotion is bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're fucking, they're fucking. Jedi is a ship religion.
Speaker 1: Um Anyway. So things are going good for a while,
Speaker 1: but Kellogg just gets too powerful because not not only
Speaker 1: is he like a popular adventist figure. Every famous person,
Speaker 1: Henry Ford is going to the sanitarium. All of the
Speaker 1: famous people in like the early nineteen hundreds, late eighteen
Speaker 1: hundreds wind up at his sanity. Teddy Roosevelt there, I think,
Speaker 1: Um and he just gets too powerful. Ellen why is
Speaker 1: supposed to be like the profit of the religion, and
Speaker 1: this guy's fucking outshining her. Soon his sanitarium had more
Speaker 1: than two thousand employees, while the entire church only employed
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people. For an understanding of the riff that followed,
Speaker 1: I want to quote from Ellen White's estate, which is
Speaker 1: very biased and obviously silly, but it gives you a
Speaker 1: good idea of her side of the dispute. Ellen white
Speaker 1: warned him against separating the medical work from the church.
Speaker 1: She also was concerned that he had gathered too much
Speaker 1: power to himself. Despite Kellogg's attempts to discredit her, she
Speaker 1: relentlessly tried to save him from apostasy. She even stayed
Speaker 1: in his home during the nineteen o one general conference
Speaker 1: session while still writing her appeals to him. But her
Speaker 1: counsels went largely unheeded and when the battle creek sanitarium
Speaker 1: burned in nineteen O two. She saw it as a
Speaker 1: judgment against Kellogg's teachings and policies. Finally, on November Tenth
Speaker 1: Nineteen O seven, the Battle Creek Church dropped Kellogg from membership,
Speaker 1: a tragic ending to more than thirty years of powerful
Speaker 1: influence in the seventh day adventist church. Now there's different
Speaker 1: versions of this. Kellogg will claim that he quit right
Speaker 1: and he left because he realized she was a conn woman. Um,
Speaker 1: I think they're both right. Um. But William Sadler follows
Speaker 1: his mentor into apostasy. Now a different rite up from
Speaker 1: the book Orantia, the great cult mystery by Martin Gardner
Speaker 1: gives his side of things. Quote. Both Sadler and Dr
Speaker 1: Kellogg became deeply disturbed by flaws and Mrs White's testimonies,
Speaker 1: which she insisted were divinely inspired, and by evidence that
Speaker 1: hundreds of passages in Mrs White's books were copied from
Speaker 1: earlier works without giving credit to the real authors. Now
Speaker 1: this happens constantly in like various different spiritualist and religious things,
Speaker 1: where people are like getting visions from God and it
Speaker 1: will turn out to be plagiarized from someone else's book.
Speaker 1: We just talked about Helena Blovotsky plagiarizing a bunch of
Speaker 1: ship and claiming that it was the Akashak records. It's
Speaker 1: all good. Are you pilled on the Akashak record style? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I do a lot of deep diving on like
Speaker 1: Esoterica and occult culture. So Helena Blovotsky is one that
Speaker 1: I wanted to super deep dive. But, Um, the whole
Speaker 1: all of the like early late eighteen hundred's, early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: occult following around these people leading up and I also
Speaker 1: very like interested in how it intertwines with like World
Speaker 1: War Two, like Nazi yes, this is I'll tell you
Speaker 1: right now. I initially was putting together the Helena Blovotsky
Speaker 1: episode for you, Um, but then Jamie Lofti sent the
Speaker 1: head of a goat that she had murdered to my house, Um,
Speaker 1: with with pictures of my children, who have not even
Speaker 1: been born yet. Don't know how she did it. Um.
Speaker 1: So we had to do those episodes with her. But
Speaker 1: I put this together because I felt it was still
Speaker 1: on your occult wavelength. We're talking about a lot of
Speaker 1: the same things right. Um, it's gonna get more a
Speaker 1: cold because Blovotsky is kind of beneath the surface of
Speaker 1: a whole lot of this Um, and this is a
Speaker 1: fun occult story too. But Jamie will not murder my
Speaker 1: future children, UM, which I don't even plan to have u.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that was part of the threat. I think. Hi,
Speaker 1: Jamie's a monster, someone stopper anyway, so perfect, don't change.
Speaker 1: Sadler Leaves Battle Creek Sanitarium, leaves the adventist church and
Speaker 1: he moves to Chicago to found the Institute of Psycho
Speaker 1: Logic Therapeutics, where he had a private practice specialized in surgery.
Speaker 1: His wife, who was a doctor, and her sister, who
Speaker 1: was a nurse, both assisted him in carrying out operations.
Speaker 1: They do this from like nineteen o six to nineteen
Speaker 1: ten and then they start to get bored of doing surgery, Um,
Speaker 1: and decide to switch practices to become psychiatrists. Now, psychiatry
Speaker 1: is not like a you don't get a degree, right,
Speaker 1: you kind of just decided to be a psychiatrist. At
Speaker 1: this period, people are still inventing psychiatry. It's now, to
Speaker 1: be fair, being a doctor, like being a surgeon, is
Speaker 1: like a two year degree, right, like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like it's like going to a trade school to be
Speaker 1: a welder, you know, like it doesn't take much time
Speaker 1: in this period. Um, so this is they just kind
Speaker 1: of decide to pivot. William would later say after taking
Speaker 1: out Tin Gall bladders there wasn't much charm left and
Speaker 1: he decided to become a psychiatrist because minds are all different.
Speaker 1: So basically, organs are all the same and it's boring
Speaker 1: taking them out, but everybody's brain is different, so I
Speaker 1: want to funk with people's heads. Um, that doesn't sounds
Speaker 1: like his goals were about helping people at all. Well, no,
Speaker 1: of course not, but it's whatever. People are sinners, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So he and Lena go abroad and they
Speaker 1: study with the greats of this new discipline and leads
Speaker 1: in Vienna. They attend lectures by Sigmund Freud, and Sadler
Speaker 1: really likes Freud, except for the fact that Freud, if
Speaker 1: you're not aware, kind of all about sex, right and
Speaker 1: like the sexual roots of different like Freud is one
Speaker 1: of these guys who's like whatever is going on in
Speaker 1: your head as an adult is the result of like
Speaker 1: some psycho sexual thing that happened when you were a kid.
Speaker 1: It's your mommy issues. It's your mommy issues. Sadler doesn't
Speaker 1: agree with that. Um. He thinks that maybe a part
Speaker 1: of it Um. But he's also he's kind of unique
Speaker 1: among physicians and scientists in the day and that he
Speaker 1: thinks that religion is the primary driving force for the
Speaker 1: human psyche. Um, and not just like again there's like
Speaker 1: a big atheism is starting to come into vogue among intellectuals,
Speaker 1: and saddlers very much the opposite of that. He believes that,
Speaker 1: like no, there's psycho religious elements are like a primary
Speaker 1: driving force in the human psyche. So the saddlers return
Speaker 1: to the United States ready to spread the gospel of
Speaker 1: good mental health and they start being psychiatrists and also
Speaker 1: become in demand speakers at what's known as the Chautauqua Circuit.
Speaker 1: Now this is a network of speakers and speaking events
Speaker 1: in New York state that's like hugely popular among influential
Speaker 1: intellectuals and artists of the day. It's essentially like a
Speaker 1: mix between daytime TV and Ted talks like this is
Speaker 1: what all of the the great and good are going
Speaker 1: to these talks, and the saddlers are huge. They're really
Speaker 1: good public speakers. Again, he's been a public speaker since
Speaker 1: he was like a little boy. Um. And they become
Speaker 1: very popular. Uh. Doctor Sadler spent years lecturing about hydrotherapy
Speaker 1: and primarily drugless remedies for mental health issues. They don't
Speaker 1: believe in taking medicine for mental health issues. Um, and
Speaker 1: that's like part of their adventist beliefs. Um. And even
Speaker 1: though they've kind of left the church, the things they
Speaker 1: believed as adventists become the center of their teachings. So
Speaker 1: Lena lectures on child purity, which is heavily about keeping
Speaker 1: your kids peer. William had a men's only class on
Speaker 1: morals that was about how not to touch yourself. Um.
Speaker 1: And again they're very popular. Doing all this because it's
Speaker 1: a horrible time to be alive. Now, as with Dr Kellogg,
Speaker 1: their overwriting goal was the cause of making people better,
Speaker 1: of improving their physical state through making changes in their
Speaker 1: morality and behavior. It's not surprising them that in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixteen the saddlers became dedicated fans of an author named
Speaker 1: Madison Grant and his new best selling book the passing
Speaker 1: of a great race. Now you hear race in the
Speaker 1: title of a book in Nineteen Sixteen, and you know
Speaker 1: this isn't going to go anywhere. Good, right. Yeah, her
Speaker 1: boy Marvin Gardner writes. Quote. America, grant claimed, was originally
Speaker 1: settled by a superior stock of Protestant nordics, a stock
Speaker 1: rapidly being debased by interbreeding with inferior immigrant aliens. Unless
Speaker 1: we stim this hybridization, America will go the way of
Speaker 1: ancient Rome. Blacks, grant believed, we're inferior to all other races.
Speaker 1: Their mental abilities, he wrote, are in pretty direct proportion
Speaker 1: to the amount of white blood a black has. Even
Speaker 1: a Mulatta with enough white blood to pass still has
Speaker 1: traits that may insidiously go back to his black ancestry
Speaker 1: and may be brought into the white race in this way.
Speaker 1: How did grant which to solve the Negro problem? As
Speaker 1: he phrased it, our nation should enact strict laws against
Speaker 1: black white marriages and work hard to educate the Negro
Speaker 1: and birth control techniques. That would slow down his rapid breeding.
Speaker 1: So Sadler falls in love with this guy. Um, now,
Speaker 1: my God, if you're following so far, Dr Sadler has
Speaker 1: always been kind of a derivative thinker and a trend follower, right.
Speaker 1: Dr Kellogg is the big pop medicine guy in the day.
Speaker 1: So he falls in with Dr Kellogg. Then he falls
Speaker 1: in with Dr Freud when that guy gets popular. He's
Speaker 1: also huge into, like, you know, the this kind of
Speaker 1: pop speaking circuit. At the time. He's big about like
Speaker 1: whatever pseudoscience is going to bring him money in prestige. Um.
Speaker 1: So this guy goes viral. Dr Or, this grant guy's
Speaker 1: book goes viral and two years later, in nineteen eighteen, Um,
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler figures out how to mix this fervor for
Speaker 1: eugenics that granted ignited in the United States with Germanophobia,
Speaker 1: because obviously en is right after the US decides to
Speaker 1: enter World War One. Um, so we're getting that whole
Speaker 1: war fever thing started. Right, you can't sell Sauerkraut in
Speaker 1: the United States anymore. Um. So he decides, saddler's like look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know what's gonna make a funckload of
Speaker 1: money is if I take this this racism and I
Speaker 1: wrap it in our hatred of the Germans that we
Speaker 1: suddenly have now because we're getting into World War One?
Speaker 1: And he publishes a book long heads and roundheads, which
Speaker 1: is a racial expose of the German people. Um, and
Speaker 1: this is this is some of that good ship. This
Speaker 1: is that like anti German racism. It's it's very fun.
Speaker 1: So the book reveal Sadler's findings that Germany is dominated
Speaker 1: by two different races. The good race are the nordics,
Speaker 1: or two tonics. These are blonde haired, blue eyed people
Speaker 1: with long heads. They're very intelligent and saddler expounds his
Speaker 1: theory that all great military leaders in history are nordics,
Speaker 1: as are all great explorers and inventors. Past famous nordics
Speaker 1: included Cyrus the great, who was a Persian emperor, Alexander
Speaker 1: the Great, Macedonian, Julius Caesar and at Italian Charlemagne, who,
Speaker 1: to be fair, is actually a German, and Napoleon, who
Speaker 1: was a Corsican, which are basically discount Italians. So these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say like when it's bled in with
Speaker 1: like all of the occult stuff too. Um, they a
Speaker 1: lot of times, like link, there's a there's a big problem,
Speaker 1: like the occult stuff where like Atlanteans and Venusians and
Speaker 1: stuff like the Venusians are supposed to be. This like
Speaker 1: higher light alien entity, but they're white skinned, with blonde
Speaker 1: hair and blue eyes, and it's just like funny how
Speaker 1: that happens. You're describing an alien race, but you're still
Speaker 1: somehow human racist about it. Okay, cool, well done. So
Speaker 1: the UH this is, this is, this is good. So,
Speaker 1: according to Sadler, in nineteen eighteen the only prominent German
Speaker 1: of Nordic stock, or the most prominent German of Nordic stock,
Speaker 1: was general von Ludendorff, who you might remember from the
Speaker 1: first wonder woman movie or from the Nineteen Twenty three
Speaker 1: Munich Beer Hall Push. Those are two great hits. Uh. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: most German soldiers, the actual people fighting in the German
Speaker 1: Army UM and German Field Marshal Paul von Hindenberg, who's
Speaker 1: running the war effort, are members of the genetically Inferior
Speaker 1: Alpine race. Right, so you've got a few nordics like Ludendorff,
Speaker 1: who are the smart Germans, and then you've got the
Speaker 1: dumb Germans, like Hindenberg and all of their soldiers, who
Speaker 1: are Alpines. Now, the Alpines have shortheads and dark eyes,
Speaker 1: and saddler claims that all biologists agree dark eyes are
Speaker 1: a characteristic of non human mammals. Only primitive humans have
Speaker 1: dark eyes. So the darker your eyes, the closer you
Speaker 1: are to primitive humans. This is wild. I just can't
Speaker 1: and these people had so much power, like when you
Speaker 1: it's really weird listening to how intertwined the web is
Speaker 1: of all of these different individuals and how they created
Speaker 1: power in that time period and how they still hold
Speaker 1: power or their their lineage, their family lives, their their
Speaker 1: corporations or whatever it. It's honestly like makes you wanna leave,
Speaker 1: leave the planet. No, I think everything's fine. That's my attitude,
Speaker 1: that we're we're good, everything's cool. Is a cucumber anyway? Um,
Speaker 1: it's fine. This is all stuff that we're done with. Now.
Speaker 1: Five's over here. From are you? Are you still in there, Robert?
Speaker 1: Just because all of like, for example, Q and on
Speaker 1: and like modern New Age, Fucking UH theology is based
Speaker 1: heavily on the ship this guy came up with and
Speaker 1: he is so racist that he has to split Germany
Speaker 1: and half based on race, like that's all good, it's fine,
Speaker 1: we're fine. It sucks like being involved in like a
Speaker 1: like a cult, research and stuff and like being because
Speaker 1: everything I'm getting into. I have to dig into the
Speaker 1: history and be like, this isn't based in racism, is it?
Speaker 1: Like I have to ask that question. With everything it's so,
Speaker 1: so much like it's I don't know. There's a few
Speaker 1: like it's like with them. If you're into like norse paganism, right,
Speaker 1: you quickly come to realize that there's exactly two kinds
Speaker 1: of norse pagans. There's literal Nazis and then there's like
Speaker 1: the furthest left, most anti racist people in the world.
Speaker 1: There's nothing in between. There's no centrist norse pagans, like
Speaker 1: they're either literal Nazis or they're actively planning to murder Nazis.
Speaker 1: There are two guys, Um and yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like with occultism. It's either Oh, this is somebody's weird
Speaker 1: eugenic ship that they threw elves into, or it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not. But man, there's not a lot of middle ground. Um,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote again from Martin Gardner here. Ancient
Speaker 1: and this is him talking about saddler's book about Germany.
Speaker 1: Ancient Rome's rulers were all nordics, saddler assures us. But
Speaker 1: Rome fell because of the decay that followed a rapid
Speaker 1: increase of inferior stock. Germany today is suffering from a
Speaker 1: similar racial degradation. It's Superior Nordic stock began to decline
Speaker 1: after the shameful thirty years war. Since then, Alpines and
Speaker 1: other inferior strains have become dominant. Although many military leaders
Speaker 1: are still nordics, the majority of soldiers are stupid, roundheaded,
Speaker 1: vicious alpines. This explains the brutal German joy of battle,
Speaker 1: the love of atrocity and delight and suffering and torture.
Speaker 1: I'm just again like baffled at it's it's it's creating
Speaker 1: this US versus them, and we've got to make it
Speaker 1: as superficial as possible. So it's easy for dumb people
Speaker 1: to be like shorthead bad, longhead good. Like it's very Kavian,
Speaker 1: it's very it's, I mean it's, it's, it's stupid, but
Speaker 1: also this is them, this is this is them, like
Speaker 1: trying to add scientific rigor to racism and also trying
Speaker 1: to like use it. So they, these people have individually decided.
Speaker 1: I don't very much like people who don't look exactly
Speaker 1: like the kind of white person I am, and so
Speaker 1: then they're kind of like going back throughout history to
Speaker 1: find ways in which their specific preferences explain history. So, like,
Speaker 1: let's actually going going on here? Right, when he talks
Speaker 1: about Alpines, he's talking about people from northern Italy and
Speaker 1: like from the regions of like Austria and ship in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Alps, right, like that's what Alpines are.
Speaker 1: So ancient Rome, like the first Gauls were people from
Speaker 1: the Alpines, right, the first like the barbarians who would
Speaker 1: occasionally come and attack Rome, and then they get conquered
Speaker 1: and they become like part of of the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: And his argument is that, like, well, the original Romans
Speaker 1: were nordics, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because, again,
Speaker 1: they were extremely Italian. Um, but he's claiming that, like
Speaker 1: when Rome went wrong is when they didn't genocide all
Speaker 1: of the people from the mountains and instead incorporated them
Speaker 1: into the Roman Empire. It's very, very silly, weird historical
Speaker 1: beef here. Um. But Sadler primarily used his book to
Speaker 1: urge US involvement in World War One, right, because we
Speaker 1: had a duty to protect the rest of the white
Speaker 1: race from degenerate Alpine dominance. Um. But he also used
Speaker 1: it to warn Americans that they were heading in the
Speaker 1: same cursed direction as Germany thanks to the civil war. See,
Speaker 1: the original colonists the Americas had been all been nordics, right,
Speaker 1: because the only people who explore or nordics. And since
Speaker 1: nordics are also the best warriors, when we had a
Speaker 1: civil war, all of the fighting on both sides was
Speaker 1: done by Nordics, who died in huge numbers. They were
Speaker 1: replaced by genetically inferior people from depraved chunks of Europe
Speaker 1: like Ireland and Italy. And again this is not true.
Speaker 1: For one thing, a huge chunk of the union war
Speaker 1: effort were like Irish people, right. And then the south,
Speaker 1: like the confederacy, was heavily colonized by Scots Irish people. So,
Speaker 1: like on both sides, hell of a lot of Scottish
Speaker 1: and Irish people. Um. In making this argument, saddler quoted
Speaker 1: Madison grant quote. The result is showing plainly in the
Speaker 1: rapid decline in the birth rate of native Americans. And
Speaker 1: he's not talking about native Americans right, he's talking about
Speaker 1: white people. When he says native Americans, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because the poorer classes of colonial stock, where they exist,
Speaker 1: will bring children into the world to compete in the
Speaker 1: labor market with the Slovak, the Italian, the Syrian and
Speaker 1: the Jew. The native American is too proud to mix
Speaker 1: socially with them and is gradually withdrawing from the scene,
Speaker 1: abandoning to these aliens the land which he conquered and developed.
Speaker 1: The man of the old stock is being crowded out
Speaker 1: of many country districts by these foreigners, just as he
Speaker 1: is today being literally driven off the streets of New
Speaker 1: York by the swarms of Polish Jews. These immigrants adopt
Speaker 1: the language of the native American, they wear his clothes,
Speaker 1: they steal his name and they are beginning to take
Speaker 1: his women, but they seldom adopt his religion or understand
Speaker 1: his ideals. And while he is being elbowed out of
Speaker 1: his own home, the American looks calmly abroad and urges
Speaker 1: on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his own race.
Speaker 1: So that's good. It's weird listening to it too, because
Speaker 1: it just sounds like still what is like pervading, like Illuminati,
Speaker 1: like subtext and all of that, like that where it's
Speaker 1: just it's just secretly like anti Semitic. Once he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: they all surface, they all believe in that too. Right,
Speaker 1: if you talk to any of these guys, I'm sure
Speaker 1: to talk to Sadler about like hey, man, what caused
Speaker 1: the French Revolution? He'd be like, well, there was a
Speaker 1: cabal of Jewish academics and it's good stuff. But you
Speaker 1: know what is a cabal? What the products and services
Speaker 1: that support this podcast a cabal to make you be entertained.
Speaker 1: That's why they're conspiring. They also want to overthrow the
Speaker 1: French government. We're back, boy, that convinced me to overthrow
Speaker 1: the French government. I don't know about you. Um. Anyway,
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty, another racist named Lawthrop Stoddard wrote a
Speaker 1: book titled The rising tide of Color against white world supremacy.
Speaker 1: Now that's quite a title, uh, and it goes on
Speaker 1: to be like the best selling eugenics text of the era.
Speaker 1: It's like the best selling book in the country for
Speaker 1: a while. And if you find old copies of this book,
Speaker 1: the cover art is pretty pretty telling. It shows a
Speaker 1: globe with a tiny white man and a tricolor hat
Speaker 1: waving a sword chasing a very large black man with
Speaker 1: a spear who's like running rough shot over the planet. Um.
Speaker 1: And again, this is nineteen twenties. So stardard in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty is like wow, non white people are taking over
Speaker 1: the whole world, Um, which is quite a time to
Speaker 1: be thinking that. It's like the literal opposite. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's so. Again, the thing that he's really concerned with.
Speaker 1: One of the things that frightened stoddard is that, like,
Speaker 1: Asians are migrating to Africa in this period, largely because
Speaker 1: the British empire is importing Indian workers to southern Africa
Speaker 1: in order to like help them with Labor. Gandhi is
Speaker 1: in South Africa and around this point. For that, for
Speaker 1: that reason, Um, so stoddard is urging like urges restricting
Speaker 1: immigration from non white countries. UH, he wants to force
Speaker 1: an into Asian migration to Africa because he thinks they'll
Speaker 1: interbreed and and overwhelm white people. Um. And of course
Speaker 1: he wants an end to, uh, miscegenation and a separation
Speaker 1: of what he calls the primary races by law. The
Speaker 1: New York Times huge fan of this guy's book. New
Speaker 1: York Times cannot get enough of this ship. New York Times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: funny how they are always on the wrong side, as
Speaker 1: we look at like a bunch of Anti Trans Shit
Speaker 1: they've been publishing today. Good on you, the New York Times,
Speaker 1: who told people that this Hitler thing was gonna blow over. Um.
Speaker 1: So The New York Times loves his book. They recommend
Speaker 1: it to readers and write, quote lawthrop, stoddard evokes a
Speaker 1: new peril that have an eventual submersion between vast waves
Speaker 1: of yellow men, Brown men, black men and red men,
Speaker 1: whom the nordics have hitherto dominated with Bolshevision, menacing us
Speaker 1: on one hand and race extinction through warfare on the other.
Speaker 1: Many people are not unlikely to give stoddard's book respectful
Speaker 1: cons iteration, respectful let's respectfully consider. That's what I think
Speaker 1: when I hear this guy yelling about the colored domination
Speaker 1: of the white race, the rising tide of color. Sorry,
Speaker 1: there you go, Jesus Christ, thanks, New York Times. So
Speaker 1: one person who took this guy's Lathrop stoddard's which, by
Speaker 1: the way, incredible racist name. Right. You gotta give it
Speaker 1: to him for that. You hear like if I were
Speaker 1: just to tell you ti there was a guy named
Speaker 1: Lathrop stoddard in the nineteen twenties. What do you think
Speaker 1: his deal was? Yeah, I would, I would uh not,
Speaker 1: probably not want to join his organization. Yeah, yeah, you'd say,
Speaker 1: like racism. He had he had to have been some
Speaker 1: kind of famous racist. Again, I'm a big nominative determinist
Speaker 1: and that is a racist name. LAWTHROP stoddard. Audience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Warren g harding is a big fan of this guy.
Speaker 1: He gives a speech in nineteen twenty one, which is
Speaker 1: actually the speech he gives his noteworthy historically because it's
Speaker 1: the first time at US resident in the twentieth century
Speaker 1: expresses support for full economic and political rights for black people.
Speaker 1: But harding only does it under the condition that they
Speaker 1: continue segregation. So, but the mixed bags. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: separate but equal kind of thing, right, like that's what
Speaker 1: that's what harding is arguing and he says, quote, whoever
Speaker 1: will take the time to read and ponder Mr Lawthrop's
Speaker 1: daughter's book on the rising tide of color must realize
Speaker 1: that our race problem here in the United States is
Speaker 1: only a phase of a race issue that the whole
Speaker 1: world confronts. So that's good. Now, if you've read the
Speaker 1: Great Gatsby in high school, right Um, you've probably run
Speaker 1: across references to stoddard's work. Tom Buchanan, the male antagonist
Speaker 1: in the book and Prototypical Chud, tells the narrator at
Speaker 1: one point quote, civilization is going to pieces. I've got
Speaker 1: to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read
Speaker 1: the rise of the colored empires by this Man Goddard?
Speaker 1: And Goddard in the book is a reference, a thin
Speaker 1: the availed reference to to Lathrop Stoddard, right Um. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting. F Scott Ms Gerald not the wocust guy
Speaker 1: in history, but he's definitely anti eugenics and he recognizes
Speaker 1: it as like a thing that shitty people advocate, because
Speaker 1: that's how it's portrayed in the book, right, yeah, is
Speaker 1: pop science for like Shitty rich psychopaths. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I gotta gotta Walk Away from the Great
Speaker 1: Gats even no, no, no, no, no, no, great get
Speaker 1: like he's specifically fitzgerald specifically makes the worst guy in
Speaker 1: the great gatsby be a fan of lathrop stoddard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's like very much in the book. Basically, what's
Speaker 1: happening is like Tom Buchanan. It's like the equivalent of
Speaker 1: someone today telling you about like Jordan Peterson and what
Speaker 1: he has to say about Trans People, like you've got
Speaker 1: to read what this Peterson Man's writing. Um, like that's
Speaker 1: literally they're the same guy. Lathrop stoddard is the same
Speaker 1: kind of like public intellectual, and that's what William Sadler
Speaker 1: wants to be. So Sadler is also in that same vein.
Speaker 1: He's like this doctor with these fancy academic credentials who's writing,
Speaker 1: who like pivots from actually practicing medicine to writing books
Speaker 1: about how awesome racism is, because that becomes the way
Speaker 1: to like make money, kind of grifting off of this
Speaker 1: culture war, fear of like non white people taking over
Speaker 1: the country. Um, and you know, Um Sadler and his
Speaker 1: wife Lena kind of fall perfectly into this movement. Um,
Speaker 1: they are eugenics opportunists, you might call them. And after Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: you might. You might think of him as like the
Speaker 1: twenties equivalent of like dudes like Dave Reuben and Matt Walsh. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not the original. He's not like the Jordan Peterson type,
Speaker 1: because you know he's kind of following in their footsteps,
Speaker 1: but he's aping their rhetoric in order to further his
Speaker 1: own career and his first big you know, he writes
Speaker 1: that book in Nineteen Eighteen about the Germans um and
Speaker 1: then after lawthrop stoddard's book comes out in Nineteen Twenty
Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty two, he writes another copycat racism book
Speaker 1: called Racial Decadence, in which he claims America's genetic heritage
Speaker 1: is at risk due to the rapid birth rate of
Speaker 1: non white people. Um, and racial decadence sounds like it
Speaker 1: should be a good book. It does sound like it
Speaker 1: should be a good book. Write. Doubles coming in. That's
Speaker 1: how they get you. It's a shame giving decadence a
Speaker 1: bad name. Here's an and again he's so soddered. Writes
Speaker 1: this book that's like this very um excitingly written pop
Speaker 1: academic piece and Uh saddler kind of rewrites the same
Speaker 1: book but makes it really, really boring, like he turns
Speaker 1: it into this kind of turgid piece of academic Bros.
Speaker 1: I'm going to read an exerpt from the preface here
Speaker 1: and therefore, while not considering these matters in too grave
Speaker 1: a light, but at the same time taking the mission
Speaker 1: which hasn't he has endeavored to fulfill in this and
Speaker 1: subsequent volumes quite seriously. It will be apparent that if
Speaker 1: but a little bit has been contributed to the clarification
Speaker 1: of these basic problems which confront the nation, if but
Speaker 1: I might, has been added to aid in solving the
Speaker 1: menacing difficulties discussed in this work, if but even a
Speaker 1: trifle has been added to the final turning of the
Speaker 1: tide of evil influences which jeopardize the white races in
Speaker 1: general and the American stock in particular, then we will
Speaker 1: have been repaid, manifold, for the research and other efforts
Speaker 1: entailed in the writing of this book. He's he's he's
Speaker 1: a ship writer, is what I'm saying. So that's a
Speaker 1: lot of words to say next to nothing. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: say very little. We hope this book helps America Racism Better.
Speaker 1: So one of Sadler's few new additions to the growing
Speaker 1: field of racism studies was his idea of the inverse
Speaker 1: racio ratio between the genetic health of people and their
Speaker 1: race and the amount of time they've been away from
Speaker 1: the soil. Right so basically, state being being separated from
Speaker 1: the soil makes you like, makes your race degrade. Right.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's not the only person thinking in these terms.
Speaker 1: The Nazis, you're going to start espousing this belief and
Speaker 1: like the sacred value of the soil and bringing people
Speaker 1: back to the land right around the same period. So
Speaker 1: he's he's, you know, in line with top thinkers in
Speaker 1: racism of his day. In nineteen thirty, Sadler publishes the
Speaker 1: truth about heredity. Um. Now this is a book about
Speaker 1: Genetic Science, and I will remind you here this man
Speaker 1: never receives a proper education. Um All. Almost all of
Speaker 1: his schooling is through seventh day adventist facilities and then
Speaker 1: being trained on how to cut people open and then
Speaker 1: going to some lectures by Freud. Um. so He's like this.
Speaker 1: His primary understanding of science is like no FAP ideology, right,
Speaker 1: like it's ship that the proud boys believe today. And
Speaker 1: then he starts. Then he writes a book about heredity
Speaker 1: which he does not understand at all and in fact
Speaker 1: he gets it so wrong that his mentor Kellogg like
Speaker 1: sends a copy of his book to a book reviewer
Speaker 1: to be like, you have to badly review his book
Speaker 1: because it's a piece of ship and he doesn't know
Speaker 1: what he's talking about and the reviewer doesn't want to
Speaker 1: get into it because he doesn't want to piss off
Speaker 1: Sadler because Sadler's famous and Kellogg's bummed about that, but
Speaker 1: also won't go against his boy. So it's anyway whatever,
Speaker 1: fuck you, Kellogg, coward like one of babies. You can't
Speaker 1: just say to his face. Yeah, Um, so there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of ships in this book. Uh, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: pretty fucking racist. Uh. Sadler writes that the civil war was,
Speaker 1: in his mind, worth fighting, uh quote, either to save
Speaker 1: the Union or to free the black man, which is
Speaker 1: an interesting way of phrasing it. Um. He said that
Speaker 1: he believed that the black man deserved his freedom, but
Speaker 1: that this had not made the race is fundamentally equal
Speaker 1: and that the fact that people were now trying to
Speaker 1: treat them equally was going to destroy the United States. Um.
Speaker 1: And and and. In his book, Martin Gardner thinks that
Speaker 1: a lot of Sadler's racism might be due to the
Speaker 1: feud that he and Kellogg had with Mrs White, Um,
Speaker 1: who was believed at the time to have been mixed race.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not, but it's
Speaker 1: a thing that Gardner will claim anyway. Just as she
Speaker 1: had been his partner in his medical practice, Lena Sadler
Speaker 1: also worked alongside her husband to push eugenics. She wrote
Speaker 1: a paper in nineteen thirty two titled Is it abnormal
Speaker 1: to become normal, which was read for the first time
Speaker 1: at a gathering of the Illinois Federation of Women's clubs
Speaker 1: and then reprinted in the Illinois Medical Journal. In it,
Speaker 1: Lena warrens against racial degeneration, like her husband, and advocates
Speaker 1: a suite of eugenic measures to stop racial degeneration. Quote.
Speaker 1: Here we are, coddling, feeding, training and protecting this viper
Speaker 1: of degeneracy in our midst, all the while laying the
Speaker 1: flattering unction to our souls that we are a philanthropic,
Speaker 1: charitable and thoroughly Christianized people. We presume to protect the
Speaker 1: weak and lavish charity with a free hand upon these defectives,
Speaker 1: all the while seemingly ignorant and unmindful of the fact
Speaker 1: that ultimately this monster will grow to such hideous proportions
Speaker 1: that it will strike us down, that the future descendants
Speaker 1: of the army of the unfit will increase to such
Speaker 1: numbers that they will overwhelm the posterity of superior humans
Speaker 1: and eventually wipe out the civilization we bequeathed to our descendants.
Speaker 1: And all this will certainly come to pass if we
Speaker 1: do not heed the handwriting on the wall and do something.
Speaker 1: Army of the unfit sounds like a sick metal band name.
Speaker 1: It does very ablest of Lena Um. She is a
Speaker 1: better writer than her husband. That's just more compelling writing
Speaker 1: than than what you get from from William Sadler. So
Speaker 1: much flower more flowery language. But it didn't feel like
Speaker 1: I was sifting through bullshit to try to get one word.
Speaker 1: That doesn't. And look, it's important, even when we write
Speaker 1: about racists, to acknowledge when when you know, girl power
Speaker 1: got stuff done in here. It's really, I think, the
Speaker 1: girl power she's doing it. So the saddlers published their
Speaker 1: eugenic screeds alongside a dizzying array of self help books,
Speaker 1: eventually more than forty in total. These included the elements
Speaker 1: of PEP, which I didn't find a copy of but
Speaker 1: would really like to read, as well as an inspirational
Speaker 1: collection of Bible quotes for the workplace. So again they're
Speaker 1: trend followers, right. That's like a big part of what
Speaker 1: they're doing. And getting into eugenics and all of this ship.
Speaker 1: And in the wake of World War One, a new
Speaker 1: trend arises that these guys are going to jump in on,
Speaker 1: and this trend is mediums. Now, if you're not aware,
Speaker 1: World War One a lot of people die. Doesn't not
Speaker 1: good for people staying alive. World War One, Um, and
Speaker 1: after a bunch of fucking dudes die in World War One,
Speaker 1: there's this horrible influenza pandemic that kills even more people.
Speaker 1: Uh So, the new world that comes into being after this,
Speaker 1: in the twenties and thirties, is filled with grieving people
Speaker 1: who are looking for meaning and are also like mourning
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that they lost. SPEECHIE board becomes popular.
Speaker 1: This is when that's exactly where we're going. So the
Speaker 1: WEGIA board had been invented in like the eighteen seventies,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really it's like nineteen fifteen, nineteen seventeen
Speaker 1: that the WEGIA board starts to like go super viral
Speaker 1: for folks. Um Spiritualism had obviously started to be a
Speaker 1: force in the US and European pop culture in the
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, but it kind of like comes to
Speaker 1: vogue in the eighteen seventies and declines in the eighteen nineties,
Speaker 1: but then in the twenties and thirties it roars back
Speaker 1: to dominance and it gets more complex hated in the
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties because people are more sophisticated. So in
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds it had mostly been like table
Speaker 1: rapping and like toe tapping and shipped to give you
Speaker 1: people coded messages from the dead. Right the medium would
Speaker 1: like tap out messages and code and ship. More sophisticated
Speaker 1: methods like Luigia boards and automatic writing become popular in
Speaker 1: the twenties and Thirties. In the nineteen seventeen W B
Speaker 1: Yates becomes an evangelist for his wife, who claims that
Speaker 1: she could write automatically directed by some non human force.
Speaker 1: Yeats has, like a dead kid or some ship that
Speaker 1: inspires him to get into this. In nineteen eighteen, Arthur
Speaker 1: CONAN doyle leads a seance with Harry Houdini wherein his
Speaker 1: wife wrote fifteen pages of messages that she claim had
Speaker 1: been written by Houdini's mother. Now Judini does not by
Speaker 1: this at all, but obviously that doesn't dampen overall enthusiasm
Speaker 1: for the trend of automatic writing. By nineteen nineteen, as
Speaker 1: one writer for the courier noted, quote, mothers and friends
Speaker 1: of fallen soldiers resorting to table wrapping, creaking and Automo
Speaker 1: attic writing through the medium of the Plan Chet, Wija, heliograph, etcetera,
Speaker 1: in the hope of once more communicating with their loved ones.
Speaker 1: The heliograph is like this light based device that you
Speaker 1: can send messages with over distances. That again, it was
Speaker 1: another way people would people turned it into a tool
Speaker 1: for talking to the dead. So a number of folks
Speaker 1: are not big fans of the fact that everybody starts
Speaker 1: to get into spiritualism and talking to the dead in
Speaker 1: this period. The author of that courier article noted his
Speaker 1: belief that that spiritualism and in medium stuff is a
Speaker 1: menace and that those who fell for such scams or, quote,
Speaker 1: global imbeciles, quote. There are many unfortunate beings today in
Speaker 1: our lunatic asylums, driven mad by demonical possession. They are
Speaker 1: also directly responsible for many suicides in females. It often
Speaker 1: results in hysterics, chronic insomnia, et CETERA. And of course
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler is in agreement with this. so He's not
Speaker 1: pro medium uh. He feels that mediums are providing false
Speaker 1: comfort and he rails against clairvoyance and claims of channeling
Speaker 1: spirits and automatic writing. He writes a bunch of articles
Speaker 1: trying to debunk this stuff, talking about how they're not
Speaker 1: really writing automatically. You know, it's in the same handwriting
Speaker 1: as the original person, all that good stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's super predatory. It makes me think of like modern
Speaker 1: day youtube videos, where people are like, you know, so
Speaker 1: and so, so and so youtuber just died and I'm
Speaker 1: using a Weiji board to contact them, or I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use I'm gonna do a Taro spread and learn about
Speaker 1: why this true crime case happened. Like it, it's kind
Speaker 1: of Um goes after praise upon people who are grieving
Speaker 1: and like you're you're going towards people in their weakest
Speaker 1: moments and you're giving them Um information higher that's like
Speaker 1: also maybe making them feel some comfort, and so then
Speaker 1: they feel indebted to you and they and and that's
Speaker 1: exactly how a lot of the the cult ship happens.
Speaker 1: Like you get people the weakest moments, and that's like
Speaker 1: Sadler recognizes this and he calls this out. So he
Speaker 1: is and he calls us out. He doesn't do this.
Speaker 1: He's not like a lone truth speaker. He is he's
Speaker 1: allegedly friends with Houdini. He's friends with another a magician
Speaker 1: named Howard Thurston, who is like they're both in. They're
Speaker 1: all into this like busting mediums thing. So it's a
Speaker 1: big business, like these mediums. Drifting people is a business.
Speaker 1: And likewise it's kind of like how on Youtube, right,
Speaker 1: you've got these people who are like doing this fraudulent,
Speaker 1: you know, talking to the dead ship, and then you
Speaker 1: have the people who are like debunk their stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's also very profitable. He's on that end of things.
Speaker 1: So he's like a popular debunker of what he calls
Speaker 1: Charlatan's and frauds Um but the reality is that Dr Sadler,
Speaker 1: his primary issue isn't that these people are actually like
Speaker 1: taking advantage of folks, it's that they're making money and
Speaker 1: getting famous from their con and and he's not. And so,
Speaker 1: as the nineteen thirties dawned, he starts the process of
Speaker 1: launching what would go on to become the most influential
Speaker 1: automatic writing con of this post's war spiritualism. Boom, the
Speaker 1: book of Arantia. So that's part one. We have we
Speaker 1: have set things up. In part two we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: basically as we in part one. He is like a
Speaker 1: prominent eugenicist and a debunker of automatic writing and mediumship frauds.
Speaker 1: And in part two he's gonna launch I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe this thing without just
Speaker 1: getting into the whole story. So well, we'll leave it
Speaker 1: off here for now. But this ends with the invention
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