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Speaker 1: What's infected. Statistically, roughly half of the audiences. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: This is behind the bastards. It's a podcast bad people.

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Speaker 1: Tell you all about him. Our guest today is Tai,

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Speaker 1: better known as Hey shady lady by from the boss

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Speaker 1: L v L podcast, twitch streamer and a youtuber. How

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Speaker 1: are you doing, tie? I'm doing absolutely wonderful. How are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing good. Now, tie, you're a friend

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Speaker 1: of our our head of of audio engineering here at

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Speaker 1: cool zone media, Daniel Goodman Um. Today, before we start

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Speaker 1: the podcast, let's each tell a secret about Daniel Um.

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Speaker 1: He is very handsome. Not many people know this. That's

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Speaker 1: a very sweet secret secret. He murdered a man in

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Speaker 1: Barstow UH in nineteen. I was gonna go with a

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Speaker 1: story that are our other editor, Ian, told us about

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Speaker 1: Dan all in high school, but then I don't want

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Speaker 1: to an old to hate me, so I won't. So

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Speaker 1: I won't. But just if you're listening to this, I

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Speaker 1: fucking know what happened that. He's going to be on

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Speaker 1: the run from the marshals. So I could say whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. Um, podcasts great things. How do you? How

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Speaker 1: do you? How do you feel about tea, just like

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Speaker 1: the drinking tea, the beverage. Are you a tea drink?

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Speaker 1: I'm quite a fan. Yes, yes, I have a feeling here.

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Speaker 1: Do you scar me? Do you have tea in your

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Speaker 1: house right now? Yes, yes, I have some black tea.

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Speaker 1: I've got some, a bunch of a whole. What the

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Speaker 1: word is? I'm looking for of herbal teas. Would you?

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Speaker 1: Would you do me a favor? We can cut some

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Speaker 1: of this for a time, but would you go look

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Speaker 1: at the herbal teas and tell me who makes the

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Speaker 1: herbal teas that you have? Let me grab the box. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm an overachiever. Okay, Oh yeah, hell yeah. That's a

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Speaker 1: traditional medicinals. It's a ginger eight, healthy digestive tree. I

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Speaker 1: got Puka, a three minute organic tea, and then another

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Speaker 1: traditional medicinals breathe easy, respiratory health tea. Now are any

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Speaker 1: of those? Okay, okay, look, I'm looking at okay, so

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Speaker 1: none of those. Ah Darn, none of those are celestial seasonings.

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Speaker 1: I have actually deep dive celestial seasonings before and I

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Speaker 1: always side I because I'm like, isn't this some cult ship?

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Speaker 1: So you have, you have stumbled upon what we're doing. Today. Yes, indeed, yes, indeed,

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Speaker 1: it's some cult ship and today we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the cult behind celestial seasonings te Um. Most of

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Speaker 1: the episode is going to be most of this is

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Speaker 1: going to be way, way deep background. We're basically spending

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Speaker 1: two hours talking about the backstory of the most popular team.

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Speaker 1: used to drink celestial seasonings like almost religiously, because they

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Speaker 1: have a great sleepy time there. Yeah, there's, there's time

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Speaker 1: is the best selling tea in the in a world. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's extremely successful, certainly in the US. But we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the backstory to celestial seasonings sleepy time tea, and

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Speaker 1: it starts with a man named William Samuel Sadler. William

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Speaker 1: Sadler was born on June eighteen seventy five and Spencer, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: or June fourteenth eighteen seventy five. I found a couple

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Speaker 1: of different claims. It doesn't really matter which. His father

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Speaker 1: was named Samuel and his mother was named Isabelle. They

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Speaker 1: The family was not initially religious. Will's father was far

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Speaker 1: She worshiped as a stealth seventh day adventist for some time.

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Speaker 1: title the stealth. Yeah, yeah, she was like secret. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a title and name. Yeah, Brad Gooch, it's a good book,

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Speaker 1: you can't. You don't get to be called Brad Gooch.

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Speaker 1: To forget it, the Gooch. So the Gooch wrote a

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Speaker 1: from his childhood. Quote. Growing up in Wabash Illinois, Sadler

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Speaker 1: come doctor John Harvey Kellogg. Now, yeah, you just listen

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Speaker 1: I just I've never heard of a man more obsessed

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Speaker 1: with children's masturbation habits. That is true. It was very uh, yeah, sir. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We did a couple of episodes on John Harvey Kellogg

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Speaker 1: with the Great Miles Gray. Check them out, um, but

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Speaker 1: Um What, Sophie? This is science. Okay, you can't censor science. No,

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Speaker 1: this is pain, this is pure this left wing cancel

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Speaker 1: culture has gone too far. Al Right, Robert, move on.

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Speaker 1: So Dr Kellogg take saddler under his wing. Sadler starts

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Speaker 1: sanitarium's health food line, which was distributed by Kellogg's Corn

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Speaker 1: will turn out to be plagiarized from someone else's book.

421
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Speaker 1: We just talked about Helena Blovotsky plagiarizing a bunch of

422
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: ship and claiming that it was the Akashak records. It's

423
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: all good. Are you pilled on the Akashak record style? Yeah,

424
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,919
Speaker 1: like I do a lot of deep diving on like

425
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: Esoterica and occult culture. So Helena Blovotsky is one that

426
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I wanted to super deep dive. But, Um, the whole

427
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: all of the like early late eighteen hundred's, early nineteen hundreds,

428
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: occult following around these people leading up and I also

429
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: very like interested in how it intertwines with like World

430
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,239
Speaker 1: War Two, like Nazi yes, this is I'll tell you

431
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: right now. I initially was putting together the Helena Blovotsky

432
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: episode for you, Um, but then Jamie Lofti sent the

433
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: head of a goat that she had murdered to my house, Um,

434
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: with with pictures of my children, who have not even

435
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: been born yet. Don't know how she did it. Um.

436
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: So we had to do those episodes with her. But

437
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: I put this together because I felt it was still

438
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: on your occult wavelength. We're talking about a lot of

439
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: the same things right. Um, it's gonna get more a

440
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: cold because Blovotsky is kind of beneath the surface of

441
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: a whole lot of this Um, and this is a

442
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 1: fun occult story too. But Jamie will not murder my

443
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: future children, UM, which I don't even plan to have u.

444
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, that was part of the threat. I think. Hi,

445
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: Jamie's a monster, someone stopper anyway, so perfect, don't change.

446
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: Sadler Leaves Battle Creek Sanitarium, leaves the adventist church and

447
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: he moves to Chicago to found the Institute of Psycho

448
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: Logic Therapeutics, where he had a private practice specialized in surgery.

449
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: His wife, who was a doctor, and her sister, who

450
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: was a nurse, both assisted him in carrying out operations.

451
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: They do this from like nineteen o six to nineteen

452
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: ten and then they start to get bored of doing surgery, Um,

453
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: and decide to switch practices to become psychiatrists. Now, psychiatry

454
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: is not like a you don't get a degree, right,

455
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,719
Speaker 1: you kind of just decided to be a psychiatrist. At

456
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 1: this period, people are still inventing psychiatry. It's now, to

457
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: be fair, being a doctor, like being a surgeon, is

458
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: like a two year degree, right, like it's like it's

459
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: like it's like going to a trade school to be

460
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: a welder, you know, like it doesn't take much time

461
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: in this period. Um, so this is they just kind

462
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: of decide to pivot. William would later say after taking

463
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: out Tin Gall bladders there wasn't much charm left and

464
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: he decided to become a psychiatrist because minds are all different.

465
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: So basically, organs are all the same and it's boring

466
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: taking them out, but everybody's brain is different, so I

467
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: want to funk with people's heads. Um, that doesn't sounds

468
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: like his goals were about helping people at all. Well, no,

469
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: of course not, but it's whatever. People are sinners, it

470
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So he and Lena go abroad and they

471
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: study with the greats of this new discipline and leads

472
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: in Vienna. They attend lectures by Sigmund Freud, and Sadler

473
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: really likes Freud, except for the fact that Freud, if

474
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: you're not aware, kind of all about sex, right and

475
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: like the sexual roots of different like Freud is one

476
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: of these guys who's like whatever is going on in

477
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: your head as an adult is the result of like

478
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: some psycho sexual thing that happened when you were a kid.

479
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: It's your mommy issues. It's your mommy issues. Sadler doesn't

480
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: agree with that. Um. He thinks that maybe a part

481
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: of it Um. But he's also he's kind of unique

482
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: among physicians and scientists in the day and that he

483
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: thinks that religion is the primary driving force for the

484
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: human psyche. Um, and not just like again there's like

485
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: a big atheism is starting to come into vogue among intellectuals,

486
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: and saddlers very much the opposite of that. He believes that,

487
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: like no, there's psycho religious elements are like a primary

488
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: driving force in the human psyche. So the saddlers return

489
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: to the United States ready to spread the gospel of

490
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: good mental health and they start being psychiatrists and also

491
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: become in demand speakers at what's known as the Chautauqua Circuit.

492
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Now this is a network of speakers and speaking events

493
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: in New York state that's like hugely popular among influential

494
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: intellectuals and artists of the day. It's essentially like a

495
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: mix between daytime TV and Ted talks like this is

496
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: what all of the the great and good are going

497
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: to these talks, and the saddlers are huge. They're really

498
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: good public speakers. Again, he's been a public speaker since

499
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: he was like a little boy. Um. And they become

500
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: very popular. Uh. Doctor Sadler spent years lecturing about hydrotherapy

501
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: and primarily drugless remedies for mental health issues. They don't

502
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: believe in taking medicine for mental health issues. Um, and

503
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: that's like part of their adventist beliefs. Um. And even

504
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: though they've kind of left the church, the things they

505
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: believed as adventists become the center of their teachings. So

506
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: Lena lectures on child purity, which is heavily about keeping

507
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: your kids peer. William had a men's only class on

508
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: morals that was about how not to touch yourself. Um.

509
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: And again they're very popular. Doing all this because it's

510
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: a horrible time to be alive. Now, as with Dr Kellogg,

511
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: their overwriting goal was the cause of making people better,

512
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: of improving their physical state through making changes in their

513
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: morality and behavior. It's not surprising them that in nineteen

514
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: sixteen the saddlers became dedicated fans of an author named

515
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: Madison Grant and his new best selling book the passing

516
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: of a great race. Now you hear race in the

517
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: title of a book in Nineteen Sixteen, and you know

518
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: this isn't going to go anywhere. Good, right. Yeah, her

519
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: boy Marvin Gardner writes. Quote. America, grant claimed, was originally

520
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: settled by a superior stock of Protestant nordics, a stock

521
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: rapidly being debased by interbreeding with inferior immigrant aliens. Unless

522
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: we stim this hybridization, America will go the way of

523
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 1: ancient Rome. Blacks, grant believed, we're inferior to all other races.

524
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: Their mental abilities, he wrote, are in pretty direct proportion

525
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: to the amount of white blood a black has. Even

526
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: a Mulatta with enough white blood to pass still has

527
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: traits that may insidiously go back to his black ancestry

528
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: and may be brought into the white race in this way.

529
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: How did grant which to solve the Negro problem? As

530
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: he phrased it, our nation should enact strict laws against

531
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: black white marriages and work hard to educate the Negro

532
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: and birth control techniques. That would slow down his rapid breeding.

533
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: So Sadler falls in love with this guy. Um, now,

534
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: my God, if you're following so far, Dr Sadler has

535
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: always been kind of a derivative thinker and a trend follower, right.

536
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: Dr Kellogg is the big pop medicine guy in the day.

537
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: So he falls in with Dr Kellogg. Then he falls

538
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: in with Dr Freud when that guy gets popular. He's

539
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: also huge into, like, you know, the this kind of

540
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: pop speaking circuit. At the time. He's big about like

541
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: whatever pseudoscience is going to bring him money in prestige. Um.

542
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: So this guy goes viral. Dr Or, this grant guy's

543
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: book goes viral and two years later, in nineteen eighteen, Um,

544
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler figures out how to mix this fervor for

545
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: eugenics that granted ignited in the United States with Germanophobia,

546
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: because obviously en is right after the US decides to

547
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: enter World War One. Um, so we're getting that whole

548
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: war fever thing started. Right, you can't sell Sauerkraut in

549
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: the United States anymore. Um. So he decides, saddler's like look,

550
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know what's gonna make a funckload of

551
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: money is if I take this this racism and I

552
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: wrap it in our hatred of the Germans that we

553
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: suddenly have now because we're getting into World War One?

554
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: And he publishes a book long heads and roundheads, which

555
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: is a racial expose of the German people. Um, and

556
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: this is this is some of that good ship. This

557
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: is that like anti German racism. It's it's very fun.

558
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: So the book reveal Sadler's findings that Germany is dominated

559
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: by two different races. The good race are the nordics,

560
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: or two tonics. These are blonde haired, blue eyed people

561
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: with long heads. They're very intelligent and saddler expounds his

562
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: theory that all great military leaders in history are nordics,

563
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: as are all great explorers and inventors. Past famous nordics

564
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: included Cyrus the great, who was a Persian emperor, Alexander

565
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: the Great, Macedonian, Julius Caesar and at Italian Charlemagne, who,

566
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: to be fair, is actually a German, and Napoleon, who

567
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: was a Corsican, which are basically discount Italians. So these guys. Yeah,

568
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say like when it's bled in with

569
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: like all of the occult stuff too. Um, they a

570
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: lot of times, like link, there's a there's a big problem,

571
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: like the occult stuff where like Atlanteans and Venusians and

572
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: stuff like the Venusians are supposed to be. This like

573
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: higher light alien entity, but they're white skinned, with blonde

574
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: hair and blue eyes, and it's just like funny how

575
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: that happens. You're describing an alien race, but you're still

576
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: somehow human racist about it. Okay, cool, well done. So

577
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: the UH this is, this is, this is good. So,

578
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: according to Sadler, in nineteen eighteen the only prominent German

579
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: of Nordic stock, or the most prominent German of Nordic stock,

580
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: was general von Ludendorff, who you might remember from the

581
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: first wonder woman movie or from the Nineteen Twenty three

582
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: Munich Beer Hall Push. Those are two great hits. Uh. Meanwhile,

583
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: most German soldiers, the actual people fighting in the German

584
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Army UM and German Field Marshal Paul von Hindenberg, who's

585
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: running the war effort, are members of the genetically Inferior

586
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: Alpine race. Right, so you've got a few nordics like Ludendorff,

587
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: who are the smart Germans, and then you've got the

588
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: dumb Germans, like Hindenberg and all of their soldiers, who

589
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: are Alpines. Now, the Alpines have shortheads and dark eyes,

590
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: and saddler claims that all biologists agree dark eyes are

591
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: a characteristic of non human mammals. Only primitive humans have

592
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: dark eyes. So the darker your eyes, the closer you

593
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: are to primitive humans. This is wild. I just can't

594
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: and these people had so much power, like when you

595
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: it's really weird listening to how intertwined the web is

596
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: of all of these different individuals and how they created

597
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: power in that time period and how they still hold

598
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: power or their their lineage, their family lives, their their

599
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: corporations or whatever it. It's honestly like makes you wanna leave,

600
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: leave the planet. No, I think everything's fine. That's my attitude,

601
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: that we're we're good, everything's cool. Is a cucumber anyway? Um,

602
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: it's fine. This is all stuff that we're done with. Now.

603
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: Five's over here. From are you? Are you still in there, Robert?

604
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: Just because all of like, for example, Q and on

605
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: and like modern New Age, Fucking UH theology is based

606
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: heavily on the ship this guy came up with and

607
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: he is so racist that he has to split Germany

608
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: and half based on race, like that's all good, it's fine,

609
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: we're fine. It sucks like being involved in like a

610
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: like a cult, research and stuff and like being because

611
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: everything I'm getting into. I have to dig into the

612
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: history and be like, this isn't based in racism, is it?

613
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: Like I have to ask that question. With everything it's so,

614
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: so much like it's I don't know. There's a few

615
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: like it's like with them. If you're into like norse paganism, right,

616
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: you quickly come to realize that there's exactly two kinds

617
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: of norse pagans. There's literal Nazis and then there's like

618
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: the furthest left, most anti racist people in the world.

619
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: There's nothing in between. There's no centrist norse pagans, like

620
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: they're either literal Nazis or they're actively planning to murder Nazis.

621
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: There are two guys, Um and yeah, it's kind of

622
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: like with occultism. It's either Oh, this is somebody's weird

623
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: eugenic ship that they threw elves into, or it's it's

624
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: it's not. But man, there's not a lot of middle ground. Um,

625
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna quote again from Martin Gardner here. Ancient

626
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: and this is him talking about saddler's book about Germany.

627
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: Ancient Rome's rulers were all nordics, saddler assures us. But

628
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: Rome fell because of the decay that followed a rapid

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Speaker 1: increase of inferior stock. Germany today is suffering from a

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Speaker 1: similar racial degradation. It's Superior Nordic stock began to decline

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Speaker 1: after the shameful thirty years war. Since then, Alpines and

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Speaker 1: other inferior strains have become dominant. Although many military leaders

633
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: are still nordics, the majority of soldiers are stupid, roundheaded,

634
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: vicious alpines. This explains the brutal German joy of battle,

635
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Speaker 1: the love of atrocity and delight and suffering and torture.

636
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Speaker 1: I'm just again like baffled at it's it's it's creating

637
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Speaker 1: this US versus them, and we've got to make it

638
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: as superficial as possible. So it's easy for dumb people

639
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Speaker 1: to be like shorthead bad, longhead good. Like it's very Kavian,

640
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: it's very it's, I mean it's, it's, it's stupid, but

641
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: also this is them, this is this is them, like

642
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: trying to add scientific rigor to racism and also trying

643
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: to like use it. So they, these people have individually decided.

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00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't very much like people who don't look exactly

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00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: like the kind of white person I am, and so

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00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: then they're kind of like going back throughout history to

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00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: find ways in which their specific preferences explain history. So, like,

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: let's actually going going on here? Right, when he talks

649
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: about Alpines, he's talking about people from northern Italy and

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Speaker 1: like from the regions of like Austria and ship in Switzerland.

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00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Alps, right, like that's what Alpines are.

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00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: So ancient Rome, like the first Gauls were people from

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: the Alpines, right, the first like the barbarians who would

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Speaker 1: occasionally come and attack Rome, and then they get conquered

655
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Speaker 1: and they become like part of of the Roman Empire.

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Speaker 1: And his argument is that, like, well, the original Romans

657
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Speaker 1: were nordics, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because, again,

658
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: they were extremely Italian. Um, but he's claiming that, like

659
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: when Rome went wrong is when they didn't genocide all

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Speaker 1: of the people from the mountains and instead incorporated them

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Speaker 1: into the Roman Empire. It's very, very silly, weird historical

662
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: beef here. Um. But Sadler primarily used his book to

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Speaker 1: urge US involvement in World War One, right, because we

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Speaker 1: had a duty to protect the rest of the white

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00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: race from degenerate Alpine dominance. Um. But he also used

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: it to warn Americans that they were heading in the

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00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,959
Speaker 1: same cursed direction as Germany thanks to the civil war. See,

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Speaker 1: the original colonists the Americas had been all been nordics, right,

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Speaker 1: because the only people who explore or nordics. And since

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Speaker 1: nordics are also the best warriors, when we had a

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00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: civil war, all of the fighting on both sides was

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Speaker 1: done by Nordics, who died in huge numbers. They were

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Speaker 1: replaced by genetically inferior people from depraved chunks of Europe

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Speaker 1: like Ireland and Italy. And again this is not true.

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Speaker 1: For one thing, a huge chunk of the union war

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00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: effort were like Irish people, right. And then the south,

677
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: like the confederacy, was heavily colonized by Scots Irish people. So,

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Speaker 1: like on both sides, hell of a lot of Scottish

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Speaker 1: and Irish people. Um. In making this argument, saddler quoted

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Speaker 1: Madison grant quote. The result is showing plainly in the

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Speaker 1: rapid decline in the birth rate of native Americans. And

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Speaker 1: he's not talking about native Americans right, he's talking about

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Speaker 1: white people. When he says native Americans, I know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because the poorer classes of colonial stock, where they exist,

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00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: will bring children into the world to compete in the

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00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: labor market with the Slovak, the Italian, the Syrian and

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Speaker 1: the Jew. The native American is too proud to mix

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Speaker 1: socially with them and is gradually withdrawing from the scene,

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Speaker 1: abandoning to these aliens the land which he conquered and developed.

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Speaker 1: The man of the old stock is being crowded out

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00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: of many country districts by these foreigners, just as he

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Speaker 1: is today being literally driven off the streets of New

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Speaker 1: York by the swarms of Polish Jews. These immigrants adopt

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Speaker 1: the language of the native American, they wear his clothes,

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00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: they steal his name and they are beginning to take

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Speaker 1: his women, but they seldom adopt his religion or understand

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00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: his ideals. And while he is being elbowed out of

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Speaker 1: his own home, the American looks calmly abroad and urges

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Speaker 1: on others the suicidal ethics which are exterminating his own race.

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Speaker 1: So that's good. It's weird listening to it too, because

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Speaker 1: it just sounds like still what is like pervading, like Illuminati,

702
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: like subtext and all of that, like that where it's

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00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: just it's just secretly like anti Semitic. Once he said, yeah,

704
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: they all surface, they all believe in that too. Right,

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00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: if you talk to any of these guys, I'm sure

706
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: to talk to Sadler about like hey, man, what caused

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00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: the French Revolution? He'd be like, well, there was a

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00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: cabal of Jewish academics and it's good stuff. But you

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00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: know what is a cabal? What the products and services

710
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: that support this podcast a cabal to make you be entertained.

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00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: That's why they're conspiring. They also want to overthrow the

712
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: French government. We're back, boy, that convinced me to overthrow

713
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: the French government. I don't know about you. Um. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty, another racist named Lawthrop Stoddard wrote a

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Speaker 1: book titled The rising tide of Color against white world supremacy.

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00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: Now that's quite a title, uh, and it goes on

717
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: to be like the best selling eugenics text of the era.

718
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: It's like the best selling book in the country for

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00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: a while. And if you find old copies of this book,

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00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: the cover art is pretty pretty telling. It shows a

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Speaker 1: globe with a tiny white man and a tricolor hat

722
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: waving a sword chasing a very large black man with

723
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Speaker 1: a spear who's like running rough shot over the planet. Um.

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Speaker 1: And again, this is nineteen twenties. So stardard in nineteen

725
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: twenty is like wow, non white people are taking over

726
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: the whole world, Um, which is quite a time to

727
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 1: be thinking that. It's like the literal opposite. Yeah, it's

728
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: it's so. Again, the thing that he's really concerned with.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that frightened stoddard is that, like,

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Speaker 1: Asians are migrating to Africa in this period, largely because

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Speaker 1: the British empire is importing Indian workers to southern Africa

732
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: in order to like help them with Labor. Gandhi is

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Speaker 1: in South Africa and around this point. For that, for

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Speaker 1: that reason, Um, so stoddard is urging like urges restricting

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Speaker 1: immigration from non white countries. UH, he wants to force

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Speaker 1: an into Asian migration to Africa because he thinks they'll

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Speaker 1: interbreed and and overwhelm white people. Um. And of course

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Speaker 1: he wants an end to, uh, miscegenation and a separation

739
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of what he calls the primary races by law. The

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: New York Times huge fan of this guy's book. New

741
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: York Times cannot get enough of this ship. New York Times. Yeah, yeah,

742
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: funny how they are always on the wrong side, as

743
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: we look at like a bunch of Anti Trans Shit

744
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: they've been publishing today. Good on you, the New York Times,

745
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: who told people that this Hitler thing was gonna blow over. Um.

746
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: So The New York Times loves his book. They recommend

747
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: it to readers and write, quote lawthrop, stoddard evokes a

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Speaker 1: new peril that have an eventual submersion between vast waves

749
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Speaker 1: of yellow men, Brown men, black men and red men,

750
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Speaker 1: whom the nordics have hitherto dominated with Bolshevision, menacing us

751
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: on one hand and race extinction through warfare on the other.

752
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: Many people are not unlikely to give stoddard's book respectful

753
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: cons iteration, respectful let's respectfully consider. That's what I think

754
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: when I hear this guy yelling about the colored domination

755
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: of the white race, the rising tide of color. Sorry,

756
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: there you go, Jesus Christ, thanks, New York Times. So

757
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: one person who took this guy's Lathrop stoddard's which, by

758
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: the way, incredible racist name. Right. You gotta give it

759
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: to him for that. You hear like if I were

760
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: just to tell you ti there was a guy named

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Speaker 1: Lathrop stoddard in the nineteen twenties. What do you think

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00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: his deal was? Yeah, I would, I would uh not,

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00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: probably not want to join his organization. Yeah, yeah, you'd say,

764
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: like racism. He had he had to have been some

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00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: kind of famous racist. Again, I'm a big nominative determinist

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00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: and that is a racist name. LAWTHROP stoddard. Audience. Yeah,

767
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: so Warren g harding is a big fan of this guy.

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00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: He gives a speech in nineteen twenty one, which is

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Speaker 1: actually the speech he gives his noteworthy historically because it's

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Speaker 1: the first time at US resident in the twentieth century

771
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: expresses support for full economic and political rights for black people.

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00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: But harding only does it under the condition that they

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Speaker 1: continue segregation. So, but the mixed bags. Yeah, it's a

774
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: separate but equal kind of thing, right, like that's what

775
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: that's what harding is arguing and he says, quote, whoever

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Speaker 1: will take the time to read and ponder Mr Lawthrop's

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00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: daughter's book on the rising tide of color must realize

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00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: that our race problem here in the United States is

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00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: only a phase of a race issue that the whole

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00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: world confronts. So that's good. Now, if you've read the

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00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Great Gatsby in high school, right Um, you've probably run

782
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: across references to stoddard's work. Tom Buchanan, the male antagonist

783
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: in the book and Prototypical Chud, tells the narrator at

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00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: one point quote, civilization is going to pieces. I've got

785
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read

786
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: the rise of the colored empires by this Man Goddard?

787
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: And Goddard in the book is a reference, a thin

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00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: the availed reference to to Lathrop Stoddard, right Um. So

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: it's interesting. F Scott Ms Gerald not the wocust guy

790
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: in history, but he's definitely anti eugenics and he recognizes

791
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: it as like a thing that shitty people advocate, because

792
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: that's how it's portrayed in the book, right, yeah, is

793
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: pop science for like Shitty rich psychopaths. And I was like,

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00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: oh no, I gotta gotta Walk Away from the Great

795
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: Gats even no, no, no, no, no, no, great get

796
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: like he's specifically fitzgerald specifically makes the worst guy in

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00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: the great gatsby be a fan of lathrop stoddard. Yeah,

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00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 1: and he's like very much in the book. Basically, what's

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00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: happening is like Tom Buchanan. It's like the equivalent of

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00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: someone today telling you about like Jordan Peterson and what

801
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: he has to say about Trans People, like you've got

802
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: to read what this Peterson Man's writing. Um, like that's

803
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: literally they're the same guy. Lathrop stoddard is the same

804
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 1: kind of like public intellectual, and that's what William Sadler

805
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: wants to be. So Sadler is also in that same vein.

806
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: He's like this doctor with these fancy academic credentials who's writing,

807
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: who like pivots from actually practicing medicine to writing books

808
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: about how awesome racism is, because that becomes the way

809
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: to like make money, kind of grifting off of this

810
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: culture war, fear of like non white people taking over

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Speaker 1: the country. Um, and you know, Um Sadler and his

812
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: wife Lena kind of fall perfectly into this movement. Um,

813
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: they are eugenics opportunists, you might call them. And after Um, yeah,

814
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: you might. You might think of him as like the

815
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: twenties equivalent of like dudes like Dave Reuben and Matt Walsh. Um,

816
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: he's not the original. He's not like the Jordan Peterson type,

817
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: because you know he's kind of following in their footsteps,

818
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: but he's aping their rhetoric in order to further his

819
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: own career and his first big you know, he writes

820
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: that book in Nineteen Eighteen about the Germans um and

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00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: then after lawthrop stoddard's book comes out in Nineteen Twenty

822
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: and nineteen twenty two, he writes another copycat racism book

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Speaker 1: called Racial Decadence, in which he claims America's genetic heritage

824
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: is at risk due to the rapid birth rate of

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00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: non white people. Um, and racial decadence sounds like it

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Speaker 1: should be a good book. It does sound like it

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Speaker 1: should be a good book. Write. Doubles coming in. That's

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Speaker 1: how they get you. It's a shame giving decadence a

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Speaker 1: bad name. Here's an and again he's so soddered. Writes

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00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: this book that's like this very um excitingly written pop

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00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: academic piece and Uh saddler kind of rewrites the same

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00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: book but makes it really, really boring, like he turns

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00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: it into this kind of turgid piece of academic Bros.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to read an exerpt from the preface here

835
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Speaker 1: and therefore, while not considering these matters in too grave

836
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: a light, but at the same time taking the mission

837
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: which hasn't he has endeavored to fulfill in this and

838
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: subsequent volumes quite seriously. It will be apparent that if

839
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: but a little bit has been contributed to the clarification

840
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: of these basic problems which confront the nation, if but

841
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: I might, has been added to aid in solving the

842
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: menacing difficulties discussed in this work, if but even a

843
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: trifle has been added to the final turning of the

844
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: tide of evil influences which jeopardize the white races in

845
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: general and the American stock in particular, then we will

846
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: have been repaid, manifold, for the research and other efforts

847
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: entailed in the writing of this book. He's he's he's

848
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: a ship writer, is what I'm saying. So that's a

849
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: lot of words to say next to nothing. Yeah, to

850
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: say very little. We hope this book helps America Racism Better.

851
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: So one of Sadler's few new additions to the growing

852
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: field of racism studies was his idea of the inverse

853
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: racio ratio between the genetic health of people and their

854
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: race and the amount of time they've been away from

855
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: the soil. Right so basically, state being being separated from

856
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: the soil makes you like, makes your race degrade. Right.

857
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Obviously he's not the only person thinking in these terms.

858
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: The Nazis, you're going to start espousing this belief and

859
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: like the sacred value of the soil and bringing people

860
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: back to the land right around the same period. So

861
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: he's he's, you know, in line with top thinkers in

862
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: racism of his day. In nineteen thirty, Sadler publishes the

863
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: truth about heredity. Um. Now this is a book about

864
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: Genetic Science, and I will remind you here this man

865
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: never receives a proper education. Um All. Almost all of

866
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: his schooling is through seventh day adventist facilities and then

867
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: being trained on how to cut people open and then

868
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: going to some lectures by Freud. Um. so He's like this.

869
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: His primary understanding of science is like no FAP ideology, right,

870
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: like it's ship that the proud boys believe today. And

871
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: then he starts. Then he writes a book about heredity

872
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: which he does not understand at all and in fact

873
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: he gets it so wrong that his mentor Kellogg like

874
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: sends a copy of his book to a book reviewer

875
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: to be like, you have to badly review his book

876
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: because it's a piece of ship and he doesn't know

877
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: what he's talking about and the reviewer doesn't want to

878
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: get into it because he doesn't want to piss off

879
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: Sadler because Sadler's famous and Kellogg's bummed about that, but

880
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: also won't go against his boy. So it's anyway whatever,

881
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 1: fuck you, Kellogg, coward like one of babies. You can't

882
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: just say to his face. Yeah, Um, so there's a

883
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: bunch of ships in this book. Uh, that's that's that's

884
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: pretty fucking racist. Uh. Sadler writes that the civil war was,

885
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,959
Speaker 1: in his mind, worth fighting, uh quote, either to save

886
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: the Union or to free the black man, which is

887
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: an interesting way of phrasing it. Um. He said that

888
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: he believed that the black man deserved his freedom, but

889
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: that this had not made the race is fundamentally equal

890
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: and that the fact that people were now trying to

891
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: treat them equally was going to destroy the United States. Um.

892
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: And and and. In his book, Martin Gardner thinks that

893
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of Sadler's racism might be due to the

894
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: feud that he and Kellogg had with Mrs White, Um,

895
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: who was believed at the time to have been mixed race.

896
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not, but it's

897
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: a thing that Gardner will claim anyway. Just as she

898
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: had been his partner in his medical practice, Lena Sadler

899
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: also worked alongside her husband to push eugenics. She wrote

900
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: a paper in nineteen thirty two titled Is it abnormal

901
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: to become normal, which was read for the first time

902
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: at a gathering of the Illinois Federation of Women's clubs

903
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: and then reprinted in the Illinois Medical Journal. In it,

904
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: Lena warrens against racial degeneration, like her husband, and advocates

905
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: a suite of eugenic measures to stop racial degeneration. Quote.

906
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: Here we are, coddling, feeding, training and protecting this viper

907
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: of degeneracy in our midst, all the while laying the

908
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: flattering unction to our souls that we are a philanthropic,

909
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: charitable and thoroughly Christianized people. We presume to protect the

910
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: weak and lavish charity with a free hand upon these defectives,

911
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: all the while seemingly ignorant and unmindful of the fact

912
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: that ultimately this monster will grow to such hideous proportions

913
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: that it will strike us down, that the future descendants

914
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: of the army of the unfit will increase to such

915
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: numbers that they will overwhelm the posterity of superior humans

916
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: and eventually wipe out the civilization we bequeathed to our descendants.

917
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: And all this will certainly come to pass if we

918
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: do not heed the handwriting on the wall and do something.

919
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: Army of the unfit sounds like a sick metal band name.

920
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: It does very ablest of Lena Um. She is a

921
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: better writer than her husband. That's just more compelling writing

922
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: than than what you get from from William Sadler. So

923
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: much flower more flowery language. But it didn't feel like

924
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: I was sifting through bullshit to try to get one word.

925
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,919
Speaker 1: That doesn't. And look, it's important, even when we write

926
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: about racists, to acknowledge when when you know, girl power

927
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: got stuff done in here. It's really, I think, the

928
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: girl power she's doing it. So the saddlers published their

929
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: eugenic screeds alongside a dizzying array of self help books,

930
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: eventually more than forty in total. These included the elements

931
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: of PEP, which I didn't find a copy of but

932
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: would really like to read, as well as an inspirational

933
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: collection of Bible quotes for the workplace. So again they're

934
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: trend followers, right. That's like a big part of what

935
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: they're doing. And getting into eugenics and all of this ship.

936
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: And in the wake of World War One, a new

937
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: trend arises that these guys are going to jump in on,

938
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 1: and this trend is mediums. Now, if you're not aware,

939
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: World War One a lot of people die. Doesn't not

940
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: good for people staying alive. World War One, Um, and

941
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 1: after a bunch of fucking dudes die in World War One,

942
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: there's this horrible influenza pandemic that kills even more people.

943
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: Uh So, the new world that comes into being after this,

944
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: in the twenties and thirties, is filled with grieving people

945
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: who are looking for meaning and are also like mourning

946
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that they lost. SPEECHIE board becomes popular.

947
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: This is when that's exactly where we're going. So the

948
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: WEGIA board had been invented in like the eighteen seventies,

949
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: but it doesn't really it's like nineteen fifteen, nineteen seventeen

950
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: that the WEGIA board starts to like go super viral

951
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: for folks. Um Spiritualism had obviously started to be a

952
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: force in the US and European pop culture in the

953
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, but it kind of like comes to

954
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: vogue in the eighteen seventies and declines in the eighteen nineties,

955
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,479
Speaker 1: but then in the twenties and thirties it roars back

956
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: to dominance and it gets more complex hated in the

957
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: twenties and thirties because people are more sophisticated. So in

958
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds it had mostly been like table

959
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 1: rapping and like toe tapping and shipped to give you

960
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: people coded messages from the dead. Right the medium would

961
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: like tap out messages and code and ship. More sophisticated

962
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: methods like Luigia boards and automatic writing become popular in

963
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: the twenties and Thirties. In the nineteen seventeen W B

964
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: Yates becomes an evangelist for his wife, who claims that

965
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: she could write automatically directed by some non human force.

966
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeats has, like a dead kid or some ship that

967
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: inspires him to get into this. In nineteen eighteen, Arthur

968
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: CONAN doyle leads a seance with Harry Houdini wherein his

969
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: wife wrote fifteen pages of messages that she claim had

970
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: been written by Houdini's mother. Now Judini does not by

971
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 1: this at all, but obviously that doesn't dampen overall enthusiasm

972
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: for the trend of automatic writing. By nineteen nineteen, as

973
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: one writer for the courier noted, quote, mothers and friends

974
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: of fallen soldiers resorting to table wrapping, creaking and Automo

975
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: attic writing through the medium of the Plan Chet, Wija, heliograph, etcetera,

976
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: in the hope of once more communicating with their loved ones.

977
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: The heliograph is like this light based device that you

978
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: can send messages with over distances. That again, it was

979
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: another way people would people turned it into a tool

980
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: for talking to the dead. So a number of folks

981
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: are not big fans of the fact that everybody starts

982
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: to get into spiritualism and talking to the dead in

983
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: this period. The author of that courier article noted his

984
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: belief that that spiritualism and in medium stuff is a

985
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: menace and that those who fell for such scams or, quote,

986
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: global imbeciles, quote. There are many unfortunate beings today in

987
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: our lunatic asylums, driven mad by demonical possession. They are

988
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: also directly responsible for many suicides in females. It often

989
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: results in hysterics, chronic insomnia, et CETERA. And of course

990
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: Dr Sadler is in agreement with this. so He's not

991
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 1: pro medium uh. He feels that mediums are providing false

992
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: comfort and he rails against clairvoyance and claims of channeling

993
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: spirits and automatic writing. He writes a bunch of articles

994
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: trying to debunk this stuff, talking about how they're not

995
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: really writing automatically. You know, it's in the same handwriting

996
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: as the original person, all that good stuff. I mean,

997
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: it's super predatory. It makes me think of like modern

998
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: day youtube videos, where people are like, you know, so

999
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: and so, so and so youtuber just died and I'm

1000
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 1: using a Weiji board to contact them, or I'm gonna

1001
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: use I'm gonna do a Taro spread and learn about

1002
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: why this true crime case happened. Like it, it's kind

1003
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: of Um goes after praise upon people who are grieving

1004
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,720
Speaker 1: and like you're you're going towards people in their weakest

1005
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: moments and you're giving them Um information higher that's like

1006
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: also maybe making them feel some comfort, and so then

1007
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: they feel indebted to you and they and and that's

1008
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: exactly how a lot of the the cult ship happens.

1009
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: Like you get people the weakest moments, and that's like

1010
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: Sadler recognizes this and he calls this out. So he

1011
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: is and he calls us out. He doesn't do this.

1012
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: He's not like a lone truth speaker. He is he's

1013
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: allegedly friends with Houdini. He's friends with another a magician

1014
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: named Howard Thurston, who is like they're both in. They're

1015
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: all into this like busting mediums thing. So it's a

1016
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: big business, like these mediums. Drifting people is a business.

1017
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: And likewise it's kind of like how on Youtube, right,

1018
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: you've got these people who are like doing this fraudulent,

1019
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: you know, talking to the dead ship, and then you

1020
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: have the people who are like debunk their stuff, and

1021
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: that's also very profitable. He's on that end of things.

1022
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: So he's like a popular debunker of what he calls

1023
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: Charlatan's and frauds Um but the reality is that Dr Sadler,

1024
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: his primary issue isn't that these people are actually like

1025
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: taking advantage of folks, it's that they're making money and

1026
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: getting famous from their con and and he's not. And so,

1027
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: as the nineteen thirties dawned, he starts the process of

1028
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: launching what would go on to become the most influential

1029
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: automatic writing con of this post's war spiritualism. Boom, the

1030
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 1: book of Arantia. So that's part one. We have we

1031
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: have set things up. In part two we're gonna talk

1032
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 1: basically as we in part one. He is like a

1033
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: prominent eugenicist and a debunker of automatic writing and mediumship frauds.

1034
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: And in part two he's gonna launch I don't know,

1035
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe this thing without just

1036
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: getting into the whole story. So well, we'll leave it

1037
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: off here for now. But this ends with the invention

1038
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: of celestial seasoning, sleepy time tea to combat yes, Um boy,

1039
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: it's a story. Um, but first tie. You know what

1040
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: else is a story? What is a story? Oh Hey,

1041
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: what's up? I am Hey shady lady. I'm one of

1042
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: the four co hosts on the boss level PODCAST, which

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Speaker 1: shady lady anywhere, because I am not you, but I

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Speaker 1: am me. And that's the end of the episode. WHO

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