Speaker 1: Hello, Hey, hey, Lyle, good to talk to you. This
Speaker 1: is this is Dan.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 1: How's it going, man, Yeah, it's going all right. I
Speaker 1: mean I called in to talk to you about something specific,
Speaker 1: you know, man, Basically, Uh, I've got an a strange
Speaker 1: sister if I haven't spoken to for about seven years, man.
Speaker 1: And I used to follow her social media just to
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, she's she's healthy and alive, and
Speaker 1: she posts pictures with her friends and stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: she went she went dark about about six months ago.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, since we haven't spoken to each
Speaker 1: other for seven years, we've we've only texted. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I don't know what she's doing. She doesn't even
Speaker 1: give her a dress house anybody. But I guess I'm
Speaker 1: going to ahead of myself. But she moved across the
Speaker 1: country to La to become a musician slash actor seven
Speaker 1: years ago when she was eighteen. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's why I haven't spoken to her. She just doesn't
Speaker 1: talk to her family anymore. And anyway, she went dark
Speaker 1: on social media, and I'm thinking I'm thinking about trying
Speaker 1: to find her just to make sure she's alive.
Speaker 2: Still, when is the last time that you talked to her.
Speaker 1: On voice or do text messages count?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Text tech text, I would say.
Speaker 1: Text count, all right, Yeah, so texts twenty nineteen, we
Speaker 1: spoke around my birthday on text messages, just you know,
Speaker 1: she said she was doing well. She was substitute teaching
Speaker 1: at a school, which is kind of kind of weird
Speaker 1: for somebody who doesn't really have any education backgrounds. And yeah,
Speaker 1: she was doing all right otherwise. And you know at
Speaker 1: that time, she had trouble making the rent, so I
Speaker 1: sent her. I sent her three thousand dollars to hold
Speaker 1: her over.
Speaker 2: Really, you sent her money?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we grew up poor. So I was Our
Speaker 1: mother died when I was fourteen and she was ten,
Speaker 1: and I took that and studied. I studied computer security,
Speaker 1: got into hacking, went to work for a tech firm
Speaker 1: after college, and like, so I could I could afford
Speaker 1: to help her out, you know, like that.
Speaker 2: So the last time we talked her was in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: You gave her some money, and then it's been about
Speaker 2: three years and you were sort of just following her
Speaker 2: on social media up until about you said six months ago,
Speaker 2: she just stopped posting.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, completely No no likes on her Twitter, no
Speaker 1: tags on her Instagram. Nothing.
Speaker 2: So she moved LA when she was eighteen, and then
Speaker 2: as of twenty nineteen, where was she at?
Speaker 4: She was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I sent a check to a po box
Speaker 1: in La.
Speaker 2: Okay, sould we think she's still in LA.
Speaker 1: I still think she's in LA. I think so.
Speaker 2: And tell me about the rest of your family your
Speaker 2: Do you have any other siblings?
Speaker 1: No other siblings. My mom was a single mom.
Speaker 5: She died.
Speaker 1: We went to live with our grandmother. Our grandmother raised us.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason maybe I don't talk to her
Speaker 1: is she lived off my grandma's credit card for about
Speaker 1: her first three years in LA. And grandma Grandma got
Speaker 1: into one hundred kid debt on her credit card and
Speaker 1: had to take out a mortgage to pay it off.
Speaker 2: Sister, Hey, of your sister used your grandmother's card for
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars in three months for years?
Speaker 1: Sorry for years?
Speaker 2: Okay? Still and your grandma had no idea.
Speaker 1: My grandma's just too nice. She wouldn't say no to her,
Speaker 1: right and my sister I think is just too dumb
Speaker 1: or not dumb, But she doesn't. I don't think she
Speaker 1: ever knew the value of money because Grandma would just
Speaker 1: pay for whatever, so I don't for it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, after these these seven years, how much contact
Speaker 2: have you had with her? Throughout them?
Speaker 1: Just text messages maybe once a year, uh, and usually
Speaker 1: it would be me sending something like a happy Birthday,
Speaker 1: and then she sent something back a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: and then you know, that's that's about it, and just
Speaker 1: that kind of communication.
Speaker 2: Okay, So sort of once a year on her birthday,
Speaker 2: you're keeping tabs with her on social media, and throughout
Speaker 2: these whole seven years, she's posting on social media.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, she's posting pictures of she was in
Speaker 1: a music video for a pretty famous rapper. But yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, so.
Speaker 2: You you're keeping tabs on all still, You're you're seeing
Speaker 2: what she's been up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just to make sure she's like, okay, she's
Speaker 1: not like that. Stuff can happen if you moved to
Speaker 1: la as an eighteen year old girl with no no
Speaker 1: life experience, so you know, just keep her an eye out.
Speaker 2: And when you guys were growing up, what was your relationship.
Speaker 1: Like pretty distant. I was kind of absorbed in the computer.
Speaker 1: I was really into computer hacking. And you know I didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't really socially interact with anybody, even
Speaker 1: my own sister, other than like the casual like I guess,
Speaker 1: we would go to family events together and that's about it.
Speaker 1: But we weren't. We weren't really super close friends or
Speaker 1: anything other than you know, the shared trauma.
Speaker 2: So mm hmmm when you say shared trauma, what is
Speaker 2: it you're referring to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean our mom dad when we were kids.
Speaker 1: So she took that really hard, and she went to
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy. She got diagnosed with bipolar disorder,
Speaker 1: and you know, she tried to kill herself once and
Speaker 1: so she kind of had some poor mental health a
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 2: So you said, I know, you sent her three thousand
Speaker 2: bucks and you text her Happy Birthday, But when's the
Speaker 2: last time you have really got into it with her
Speaker 2: on whether it was on the phone or in person
Speaker 2: or even in text?
Speaker 1: Geah, in text? Definitely before twenty nineteen, I think twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty seventeen. I I put it straight with
Speaker 1: her on well, when when when we cut off Grandma's
Speaker 1: credit card, I put it straight with her. I told
Speaker 1: her Grandma can't of for this. She actually had to
Speaker 1: take out a mortgage to pay off her debt and
Speaker 1: you have to get like a job to cover your expenses,
Speaker 1: and and like, yeah, it was hard to be angry.
Speaker 1: I mean, she she she kind of understood. She she
Speaker 1: just apologized for it. And I mean it wasn't like
Speaker 1: it was an argument. It was like, oh shit, I've
Speaker 1: been fucking up grandma's credit and my dad. I really
Speaker 1: didn't mean to do that. So that was like when
Speaker 1: we really got into it about you know, what she
Speaker 1: was doing at the.
Speaker 2: Time, and when's the last time you saw her in
Speaker 2: person face to face?
Speaker 1: Seven years ago when she the day she moved out
Speaker 1: to l A. I drove back to our house from
Speaker 1: college and you know, said goodbye to her. She took
Speaker 1: a car. She actually moved with a friend from high school,
Speaker 1: this girlfriend of hers, and you know they were going
Speaker 1: to make it, make it in la of musicians and
Speaker 1: the models.
Speaker 2: So okay, So she went dark on social media three
Speaker 2: months ago. You haven't interacted with her since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and it says here you're thinking about hiring a private
Speaker 2: investigator to go find her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, So I mean I got money now
Speaker 1: I reached out to her still happy Birthday every year,
Speaker 1: but she hasn't responded, and now her social media is dark.
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking of just hiring a pid like find
Speaker 1: where she's at, who she's living with, Does she have
Speaker 1: a job, I mean, does she have a drug problem.
Speaker 1: I don't think she would ever tell me if she
Speaker 1: has a drug problem.
Speaker 2: So what is it that is making you decide now
Speaker 2: that you want to start putting in a lot of
Speaker 2: effort to go find her?
Speaker 1: I turned thirty, so I feel bad that I kind
Speaker 1: of haven't spoken to her. There's not any real reason
Speaker 1: that I don't speak to her, so, like, maybe I
Speaker 1: could go visit and say hi. I mean, she's one
Speaker 1: of the very few blood relatives I have, so I
Speaker 1: feel a need to connect.
Speaker 2: Right, I was gonna say, so, so your mother died
Speaker 2: when you guys were young. Where what's your father up to?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my father was kind of a beach bump in
Speaker 1: Florida and he's just out of the picture completely. He's
Speaker 1: aging gracefully on the beach in Florida, just doing odd
Speaker 1: jobs around there, and he doesn't He was out of
Speaker 1: the picture very early when we were young because they
Speaker 1: got a divorce and so my mom became a single
Speaker 1: mom when I was like six years old, so it
Speaker 1: was he's mostly just out of the picture completely.
Speaker 2: And do you have a wife and kids in your
Speaker 2: own family?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, so I got married to somebody I met
Speaker 1: in college, and I don't have any kids yet, but
Speaker 1: we're going to buy a house and have kids. That's
Speaker 1: the idea in the on the northwest coast.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what does your wife think about this whole situation?
Speaker 1: She supports it. She thinks we should try to save
Speaker 1: her if she's in a bad spot, like maybe you
Speaker 1: have her come live here. Minimum wage is really high
Speaker 1: in Washington and she could get on her feet and
Speaker 1: you know, live off our catch go to community college
Speaker 1: or something. And maybe she supports me. She thinks she
Speaker 1: thinks I should to help her get on her feet.
Speaker 2: If she's not, that's that's good that your wife is
Speaker 2: supportive of you wanting to do that, because I could
Speaker 2: see that, you know, if she weren't supportive, I could
Speaker 2: see it being some some sort of a conflict, you know,
Speaker 2: like was she cool with you giving her the three
Speaker 2: thousand bucks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about it for a while, and I
Speaker 1: mean we weren't even sure it could be for rent,
Speaker 1: Like if it's for drugs, that's really bad. That would
Speaker 1: buy her a lot of drugs. But I mean, we
Speaker 1: had no way to confirm, and my wife was cool
Speaker 1: with it. Three thousand bucks isn't a big deal to
Speaker 1: us because just just our circumstances.
Speaker 2: Now, So, you know, I find it interesting that you're,
Speaker 2: you know, even with that whole thing of her running
Speaker 2: up your grandma's credit card for one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: and not knowing sort of what her deal is, if
Speaker 2: she's addicted to drugs or sort of whatever it is
Speaker 2: going on with her. I I am impressed that you
Speaker 2: still have this connection to her and this desire to
Speaker 2: help her, even though things seem like they've gotten very distant.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell if she's like a manipulator
Speaker 1: or not. And I want to believe she's not right.
Speaker 1: You want to assume the good and everybody and that
Speaker 1: she's just a unfortunate circumstances. She didn't know what she
Speaker 1: was doing, and you.
Speaker 4: Know so.
Speaker 2: And with this private eye, what is sort of the
Speaker 2: first step of trying to find her? Are you going
Speaker 2: to provide this PI with her Instagram photos? Or you know,
Speaker 2: I guess maybe they'll google her name and try to
Speaker 2: find where she lives. Do you have any idea what
Speaker 2: that process is?
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, so I have about you. I've kind of
Speaker 1: kept on her because I mean, I'm a computer hacker man.
Speaker 1: Finding uh, finding people is the kind of part of
Speaker 1: what I do too. And so I've got her po box,
Speaker 1: I've got all of her friends that she's spoken to
Speaker 1: on Instagram, like kind of timelined out, Okay, it was
Speaker 1: sounding really creepy, man, But I would just scroll through
Speaker 1: her Instagram, collect the different friends she communicates with and
Speaker 1: who who comment on her posts and kind of have
Speaker 1: their names tagged to these identities. And so I've got
Speaker 1: all of these in the doc and i've got her
Speaker 1: po box. I don't have a real address, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna send all this to a PI agency.
Speaker 1: I talked to one on the phone and they're like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: first step is finding her. Right They're going to find
Speaker 1: her her current address and where she's at. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how they're going to do that. Maybe they
Speaker 1: can look at county records and stuff. But if I
Speaker 1: give them all this info, the friends she talks to
Speaker 1: that I could find at least and maybe maybe they
Speaker 1: can make it happen, and that's that's the hope. And
Speaker 1: they said it would be about a thousand bucks to
Speaker 1: give this initial like just finding where she is.
Speaker 2: So I am curious about a couple of things. I
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about how you feel like
Speaker 2: you'll react in a couple of different scenarios. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: let's say you hire this private investigator, they find her.
Speaker 2: You put all this effort, not even just the financial stuff,
Speaker 2: because the financials seem like they don't matter to you,
Speaker 2: But you're putting in a lot of like thought and
Speaker 2: like emotional energy into finding her, thinking about her, speculating
Speaker 2: about whether or not she's safe. What happens? What do
Speaker 2: you how do you think you will react if you
Speaker 2: find her and she just doesn't want anything to do
Speaker 2: with you because she's whatever her reason is, Maybe she
Speaker 2: is a to drugs and she doesn't want to get better,
Speaker 2: or maybe she has her own life that's happy, or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, whatever her reason is. What happens if
Speaker 2: you find her and she doesn't want anything to do
Speaker 2: with you, how how do you think you would react
Speaker 2: to that?
Speaker 1: I would be I would be ecstatic, especially if her
Speaker 1: life's going good. It's okay if she doesn't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with me, you know, but I would just
Speaker 1: I would be happy that. Well. If if she's going
Speaker 1: through you some trouble and she doesn't want anything to
Speaker 1: do with me, I'm not you know, if she's in
Speaker 1: a bad place. I think I think the way I
Speaker 1: would react is I might fly down to see her
Speaker 1: face to face, you know, to to at least see
Speaker 1: emotionally how she is, because it it would be a
Speaker 1: bit different if we talk on the phone or something
Speaker 1: and she says she wants nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: I mean, actually I might, I might respect her depending
Speaker 1: on what she says on the phone. Well, I would
Speaker 1: respect your opinion, I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess. I guess it sounds what you're trying to
Speaker 2: say is like if she was like, hey, my life
Speaker 2: is going great, don't worry about me, then you wouldn't
Speaker 2: fly down there. But if you heard her say, like
Speaker 2: if she was kind of coming at it, and you
Speaker 2: sort of suspected maybe like she it does have drug
Speaker 2: problems and that's and she knows that you want to
Speaker 2: try to send her to rehab. Uh and so that's
Speaker 2: why she's avoiding you. If if I mean, this is
Speaker 2: all and hypothetical, but if that were the case, would
Speaker 2: you would you fly down there and be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I'll get through to you if if we're face
Speaker 2: to face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's my thought, like maybe we can
Speaker 1: at least reconnect, you know what, the only family each
Speaker 1: other has really So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you said your dad's beach Before we go,
Speaker 2: I want to I want to hear some other perspectives
Speaker 2: of their family members. You said your dad is a
Speaker 2: beach bum. Does he have any care or any sort
Speaker 2: of desire in the same way that you do to
Speaker 2: reconnect with his sister?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always been said that she doesn't talk to him,
Speaker 1: but he's a I mean, I don't even talk to
Speaker 1: him because he's so just kind of out there. He
Speaker 1: made some really bad life choices. I mean, I talked
Speaker 1: to him on his birthday, happy birthday. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna fly down to
Speaker 1: see him all the time on the beach. And this
Speaker 1: kind of like the state he's in, he's a ah.
Speaker 1: He he was just kind of a negative person. So
Speaker 1: being around him. It's very negative, always always negative. So
Speaker 1: you know, I try to avoid that as much as
Speaker 1: I can.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone else in your like a fucking cousin,
Speaker 2: your grandparents? You've been mentioning anyone else who's like sort
Speaker 2: of in this with you? Or are you kind of
Speaker 2: just doing this all alone?
Speaker 1: Yeah? My grandmother and my uncle. My grandmother's son, he
Speaker 1: knows of her, but yeah, he kind of had a
Speaker 1: falling out with my sister because she anyway, she had
Speaker 1: some mental issues and she said some shit when she
Speaker 1: was visiting my uncle about how she's gonna go crazy
Speaker 1: because my uncle has the perfect family and she can't
Speaker 1: stand it. Anyway. My uncle would also like to know
Speaker 1: that she's okay, but she definitely doesn't want to talk
Speaker 1: to my uncle.
Speaker 2: So what happened with her and your uncle?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to get too long into it.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not that interesting. It's just she was
Speaker 1: visiting with me for Christmas. She's she had like this
Speaker 1: mental breakdown about how my uncle has like a perfect family,
Speaker 1: and then she had to leave early. She she took
Speaker 1: a flight back early because she couldn't she couldn't cope
Speaker 1: with my uncle and how nice their family situation is.
Speaker 2: Sure a little bit of jealousy, Yeah, yeah, Well it's
Speaker 2: interesting to hear that. I don't know how long ago
Speaker 2: this was, but it's interesting to hear that because you
Speaker 2: can kind of tell from that that she's jealous of
Speaker 2: your uncle having quote, a perfect family. I don't know
Speaker 2: what your uncle's family is like, but you can kind
Speaker 2: of tell that, like from that the family is important
Speaker 2: to her. So, you know, I think it's it's a
Speaker 2: cool thing you're doing because I I don't I we
Speaker 2: I guess neither of us really have any idea what
Speaker 2: her thoughts and feelings are about her family, about you,
Speaker 2: about you know, sort of her her relationship to back home.
Speaker 2: But she could be kind of waiting for you possibly
Speaker 2: to find her, and it could turn out that when
Speaker 2: you do find her, it'll mean a lot that you're
Speaker 2: back in her life. And it's it's very compelling to
Speaker 2: me to see you putting in all this effort, not
Speaker 2: knowing how she feels about you, not knowing if when
Speaker 2: you go to see her, if she'll want to see you,
Speaker 2: and then answering to me when I asked you how
Speaker 2: you would feel about that, it's going I would be
Speaker 2: a static just to know that she's you know, safe
Speaker 2: and doing well. So uh, this this is a very
Speaker 2: much a display in my eyes of unconditional love and
Speaker 2: caring and uh, you know I respect it. Man. I
Speaker 2: wish you good luck on your journey. Please call back
Speaker 2: in if you don't think find anything. We'd love to
Speaker 2: hear you.
Speaker 1: Don't think it's too creepy, man?
Speaker 2: Do I think it's creepy? Could be creepy. I have
Speaker 2: no idea. I'm just on the internet.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Geko, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, of course you as well.
Speaker 1: You too, But.
Speaker 2: That was Dan, Let's see is it creepy to stalk
Speaker 2: your sister to see?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Look, intention is important, I think when you're judging people's actions.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't agree with me. A lot
Speaker 2: of people don't think attention is important. But I think
Speaker 2: intention is important. And his intention is just to make
Speaker 2: sure that she is safe. And it was interesting when
Speaker 2: he meant into the uncle thing that she was jealous
Speaker 2: of the fact that he had a family, Like you
Speaker 2: can kind of ascertain by that that she, you know,
Speaker 2: family is important to her. I'm thinking about my own sister.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about if she dropped off the face of
Speaker 2: the earth for five years, you know, would I do
Speaker 2: the same? Would I compile a dossier and stalk her
Speaker 2: with a private eye? And if I did it, would
Speaker 2: that be creepy? Or would that come from a place
Speaker 2: of this is my sister. She's the only family I have,
Speaker 2: and I love her. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm the judge to say whether or not it's creepy.
Speaker 2: But I hope he finds her, and I hope that
Speaker 2: they have a good reconnection, hope that she's doing well.
Speaker 2: And I thank you to Dan for sharing that story
Speaker 2: with us. It is interesting that at the very end
Speaker 2: of that call is when he kind of out of
Speaker 2: left field said is a creepy, which means to him
Speaker 2: And I understand why, because if you're compiling a dossier
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, look, if you're if you're scrolling
Speaker 2: through some girls Instagram pictures and compiling them into a dossier,
Speaker 2: does it matter if she's your sister? A part of
Speaker 2: your brain is going, is this creepy? So I understand
Speaker 2: why he uh maybe has that inkling in his mind,
Speaker 2: But again, I think his intentions are are pure. He
Speaker 2: wants to make sure that you know she's safe, especially
Speaker 2: when he was describing all of those like mental health
Speaker 2: issues that she had and potential drug problems and whatnot,
Speaker 2: that he just wants to make sure she's safe. So
Speaker 2: I think it's coming from a good place. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: while hey, is this rom.
Speaker 1: It is? How's it going?
Speaker 2: How's it going? It's going decently? How is it going
Speaker 2: with you?
Speaker 1: Not too bad? I had a story for you, a story.
Speaker 2: Give me the like, like the short version of it
Speaker 2: for it? Actually, let's do a short version. What's the
Speaker 2: short version?
Speaker 6: So basically, I used to be a new model at
Speaker 6: my college. And when I changed one day and put
Speaker 6: my clothes back on after all done with all that stuff,
Speaker 6: I was walking to my car, and when I sat
Speaker 6: down in my car, I noticed there was a poop
Speaker 6: in my pants. But I didn't have any like thing
Speaker 6: really notifying that. I was like, oh, I need to
Speaker 6: go to the bathroom. There's just like so don't it's
Speaker 6: like someone else pooped my pants.
Speaker 2: Somebody else pooped in your pants? Yeah, and where were
Speaker 2: you your clothes while you were nude modeling?
Speaker 6: It was like a storage closet that pretty much it
Speaker 6: was like everyone had access to it, So it could
Speaker 6: have been anyone. It could have been like the teacher
Speaker 6: or the ta or one of the students.
Speaker 2: And you are one hundred percent sure that somebody else
Speaker 2: pooped in your pants.
Speaker 1: It was literally.
Speaker 6: It was almost like it showed up like extra dimensionally,
Speaker 6: Like I I didn't feel it at all when I
Speaker 6: was walking my car, but as soon as I sat down,
Speaker 6: it just was completely wet down there.
Speaker 1: It was all bad.
Speaker 6: What was even worse was I had to clean it
Speaker 6: up so pretty much instead of like having to walk
Speaker 6: all the way back. I was like, maybe I have
Speaker 6: some whites in my car, but I only had alcohol wipes.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if you know this, that shit
Speaker 6: really burns. You had alcohol wipes and you yeah, they're
Speaker 6: like for a car, they're like for cleaning your car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh okay, and you use them on your asshole.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it burns a lot.
Speaker 2: Now, what are your working theories on? Who might have
Speaker 2: pooped in your pants?
Speaker 6: So this happens like probably like two or three years ago,
Speaker 6: and I've been thinking about it ever since. But my
Speaker 6: theory is that it was most likely one of the
Speaker 6: students or the ta because I was watching the teacher
Speaker 6: the whole time and he didn't move.
Speaker 2: Okay, there were a couple.
Speaker 6: Couple, Yeah, there was a couple of people who I
Speaker 6: thought were pretty suspicious looking that left like during the
Speaker 6: actual session. So it was There's this one guy who
Speaker 6: he had like some kind of like facial problems, Like
Speaker 6: I think he was like a burden victim and it
Speaker 6: kind of messed him up pretty bad. But I feel
Speaker 6: like he thought that I was uncomfortable with him because
Speaker 6: he would get he didn't he couldn't see very well,
Speaker 6: so he had to get up like really really really
Speaker 6: close to my nude body, and I it would make
Speaker 6: anyone uncomfortable. So I feel like he possibly thought that
Speaker 6: I was uncomfortable with him, So in retaliation, he pooped
Speaker 6: my pants.
Speaker 2: You think that this man? Okay, so this guy, he
Speaker 2: was sort of hard of sight, and so he had
Speaker 2: to get up closer to you, draw you, and he
Speaker 2: thought You think that he thought that you thought that
Speaker 2: you were uncomfortable, and so in retaliation for you being
Speaker 2: uncomfortable with him staring at you, he pooped your pants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best of world.
Speaker 2: Were there any animals loose in the studio by any chance?
Speaker 2: Because over one hundred percent short than human feces.
Speaker 6: This was definitely human.
Speaker 1: It was very.
Speaker 6: Running, It was running, there was a lot of There
Speaker 6: was a lot of it. I didn't see any animals.
Speaker 2: But when you first went to put your pants back on,
Speaker 2: how did you not know that thought there was pooping there?
Speaker 2: You didn't see it, you didn't feel it.
Speaker 6: I didn't feel it or to see it. I literally
Speaker 6: just put it all in there, and by the time
Speaker 6: that I had walked out of the building, crossing whole
Speaker 6: parking lot and sat down, that's when I noticed it.
Speaker 2: How do you think this will affect your nude modeling
Speaker 2: career from now on? You're going to keep a closer
Speaker 2: watch on your clothes when you take them off.
Speaker 6: I definitely will. I thought about doing it again, but
Speaker 6: this has always kind of haunted me. I was afraid
Speaker 6: if I ever started up again that I'd literally just
Speaker 6: get pooped on again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would definitely affect my decisions on where to
Speaker 2: place my clothes and how far to place them out
Speaker 2: of my sight in the future. And hm, so you
Speaker 2: really don't know who did?
Speaker 6: I really don't know. There's like a couple people who
Speaker 6: I'm suspicious of. But it happened so long ago. I
Speaker 6: can't really to do anything about it now, but I
Speaker 6: just the story always comes up in my brain and I.
Speaker 1: Thought i'd share it.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the
Speaker 2: people of the computer.
Speaker 6: Uh, definitely watch where you put your clothes. You never
Speaker 6: know when someone might poop in them.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I would like to say, I am not convinced that
Speaker 2: that guy did not poop his own pants and is
Speaker 2: in the most extreme amount of denial of all time.
Speaker 2: But who knows.
Speaker 3: Hello, Raquel, Oh shit, hey, I just got put in
Speaker 3: the queue.
Speaker 2: I was like, what kil.
Speaker 3: That's going very well. I just left the grocery store
Speaker 3: and I'm heading home. I got some free holes, negros
Speaker 3: and Rabbi.
Speaker 5: And a line and a lime wonderful and a lime Yeah.
Speaker 2: Raquel, what yeah would you like to talk about today?
Speaker 3: Well? I uh have a current boyfriend who.
Speaker 7: Really enjoys bucacky porn and a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 7: I've found in his like search history, and uh, I
Speaker 7: don't know how to feel about it.
Speaker 2: Basically original off the bat, off the actually not go ahead,
Speaker 2: I want to hear the rest of what you had
Speaker 2: to say, and then I'll then I'll attack you with
Speaker 2: my questions.
Speaker 3: Well, originally I was very disturbed in know, kind of confused,
Speaker 3: but you know, I'm really trying to come to terms
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 2: M Okay, all right, So you found bucacka porn is
Speaker 2: uh in his search history? Was there anything else that
Speaker 2: you found that you were disturbed by him?
Speaker 3: It was just a lot of spit and just it's
Speaker 3: just very like gang bangs and just really gross stuff, man,
Speaker 3: really gross stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, Raquel, I gotta ask you. You gotta come
Speaker 2: clean with me here. You gotta be honest with me here.
Speaker 2: Why were you looking through your man's search history?
Speaker 3: Okay? I found him jerking off in his car on
Speaker 3: his laptop and he quickly like shut it and like
Speaker 3: put it away. And I was very suspicious, like why
Speaker 3: he felt the Well I understand why he felt the
Speaker 3: need to do it in this car, because he probably
Speaker 3: knew that I would, you know, be uncomfortable with it.
Speaker 3: But it made me even more like curious.
Speaker 2: Okay, So do you guys live together?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: So you guys lived together. So he went down to
Speaker 2: his garage to watch.
Speaker 3: This this his car like outside in the parking lot.
Speaker 2: Okay, So he went into his car to jack off
Speaker 2: to this porn that he knew that you wouldn't want
Speaker 2: him to watch, and so you got on his laptop
Speaker 2: and looked at his search history. Yes, I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: give you my take right away. I don't think you
Speaker 2: should have looked at his search history. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's cool. Okay, you know, I think that if you, guys,
Speaker 2: if you're in a relationship with someone, whether you're your friend,
Speaker 2: your girlfriend, your boyfriend, whatever it is, it's not cool
Speaker 2: to look through their phone. It's not cool to look
Speaker 2: through their Internet search history.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's I think that was pretty you know, I think
Speaker 2: you sound like you know it too. That was a
Speaker 2: violation of privacy.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was cool.
Speaker 2: But we're here, the evidence has been gathered. Anyway, Why
Speaker 2: are you so upset with the fact that he likes
Speaker 2: POCOCKI porn. Why is that a big issue for you?
Speaker 7: It just feels like.
Speaker 3: Too much of like a it feels like it's offensive,
Speaker 3: like towards women in a way, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: the way that he's used women is kind of skewed,
Speaker 3: and like it's just like they're kind of crying and
Speaker 3: they're throwing up and I just okay, actually, let me
Speaker 3: get deeper into this.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: So I had an ex. I had an ex who
Speaker 3: was a Buddhist monk, and I adopted a.
Speaker 2: Lot of.
Speaker 3: Beliefs, conservative beliefs in regards to porn and substances and
Speaker 3: having to kind of like withhold yourself and those kinds
Speaker 3: of things. And at the beginning of my relationship with
Speaker 3: my ex, he was really into kind of weird porn.
Speaker 3: And when he stopped and withheld himself in those things,
Speaker 3: his mental health greatly improved. Our sexual life got a
Speaker 3: lot better. And I just adopted a lot of I
Speaker 3: guess conservative spiritual belief because of him. M And I'm
Speaker 3: trying not to project that onto my current boyfriend, because
Speaker 3: I've come to understand that everyone, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because I mean, look, you're bringing up your ex
Speaker 2: right You're bringing up your ex right now. Is like,
Speaker 2: you know, look, you're with this new guy now. You know,
Speaker 2: you were with your ex boyfriend and now he's your
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend. Now you're with this guy, you know, And
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's fair for your relationship for
Speaker 2: you to be bringing up your ex and sort of things.
Speaker 2: Going him and then recontextualize. Yeah, for your current relationship.
Speaker 3: It's more like I just adopted a lot of I
Speaker 3: guess Buddhists beliefs, and I'm just trying to come to
Speaker 3: terms with.
Speaker 5: His lack of them. I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. Have you talked to
Speaker 2: your boyfriend about all of this? What was that conversation?
Speaker 7: Like, I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Doesn't like it either. He says he has a love
Speaker 3: hate relationship with it, and he agrees that you know,
Speaker 3: he does need to, you know, stop watching it as much.
Speaker 3: And he says it like Mesis's brain up. So okay,
Speaker 3: I mean he probably still does it a lot, But
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I stopped looking through his stuff. Well
Speaker 3: when the first time I look through it traumatized, I'm
Speaker 3: not doing that again.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, you know, look, we've already established
Speaker 2: and I think you know that you really shouldn't be
Speaker 2: looking through your significant other's phone and emails and search
Speaker 2: history and all that shit. It's good that you talked
Speaker 2: with him about it, because you know he should be
Speaker 2: in on the conversation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Why again are you bringing up your ex boyfriend who's
Speaker 2: a monk?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean we had a He left me with
Speaker 3: a lot of books, Buddhist books and texts before he left,
Speaker 3: and I mean I became Buddhist myself for a while,
Speaker 3: I kind of put that aside just because I realized
Speaker 3: it was kind of close minded. So this whole journey
Speaker 3: kind of coming out of being more fluid in my
Speaker 3: belief I guess this is just a hurdle, you know,
Speaker 3: in my path, just trying to get come to terms with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you feel as though your boyfriend has exhibited
Speaker 2: behavior or thoughts or things along that realm that disagree
Speaker 2: with your Buddhist beliefs, and that's why you're bringing.
Speaker 3: It up for sure?
Speaker 6: For sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, how important are your Buddhist beliefs to you?
Speaker 3: I think they're very important because I've learned a lot
Speaker 3: from them. But I realized that it kind of made
Speaker 3: me a more judgmental person. Sure, So yeah, I'm they
Speaker 3: were really important to me at a time, but I'm
Speaker 3: trying to kind of move out of that and become
Speaker 3: more open minded.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I have a couple thoughts about this.
Speaker 2: So you say it's made you a more judgmental person.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at your boyfriend and you're like,
Speaker 2: this guy does not share the same set of beliefs
Speaker 2: as I do. And you know, I think there's a
Speaker 2: difference between using your beliefs as a way of judging
Speaker 2: your boyfriend or looking down upon him or villainizing him,
Speaker 2: or versus simply just saying, you know, perhaps we share
Speaker 2: different beliefs and that's okay, and you know, kind of
Speaker 2: reconciling with that. So you know, I agree with you. You know,
Speaker 2: when you're saying that it's making you more judgmental. I
Speaker 2: think that it's okay to have certain beliefs that you
Speaker 2: live by and that you used to see if you're
Speaker 2: compatible with other people, and that you use to kind
Speaker 2: of bond you together with other people who share similar beliefs,
Speaker 2: as long as you kind of take the judgment out
Speaker 2: of it when you encounter people who don't share those
Speaker 2: beliefs with you. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes total sense.
Speaker 2: I I how long you've been in your boyfriend? For?
Speaker 3: Two years?
Speaker 2: Two years? Okay? All right, So look this is one
Speaker 2: sort of little thing. It seems okay, your boyfriend likes
Speaker 2: bocock porn. How's everything else going in the relationship?
Speaker 3: Oh? Wow, he's just shut up it's going well. He's
Speaker 3: trying to get my car. Uh, it's so well, it's
Speaker 3: going really well. I let him in my car.
Speaker 2: Should you you're asking me if you should let him
Speaker 2: in your car. I don't know.
Speaker 3: If he's up, I'll let him in one with the gecko. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Can I talk to him?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Yeah, you can talk to him.
Speaker 2: Should I not mention anything about.
Speaker 5: Oh my god?
Speaker 3: He just laught no, because I told I told him
Speaker 3: that I would talk to you about it. I told him.
Speaker 2: And and and how did he react when you told him?
Speaker 2: How did he react when you told him you would
Speaker 2: talk to me about this?
Speaker 6: How did he just react?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Uh, he's shocked, he's blushing and he's staring at me.
Speaker 2: Okay, is he with you right now?
Speaker 3: Yes, he just came in my car.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, do hang up, don't hang up speaking, I'm
Speaker 4: on speaking.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: Man? Yeah? What up?
Speaker 2: What's your life like?
Speaker 1: Chaotic?
Speaker 2: Why is it chaotic?
Speaker 8: I just feel like I wasn't set up well from
Speaker 8: the beginning. Okay, And and learning how to create it
Speaker 8: yourself just takes time.
Speaker 2: Like what do you create? What you want? What are
Speaker 2: you attempting? To create for yourself.
Speaker 8: Something more stable.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you feel as though your situation currently is
Speaker 2: stable at all?
Speaker 8: I would not say so.
Speaker 2: No, What do you think would make it more stable?
Speaker 8: I don't know where to start, you know, because the
Speaker 8: way I look at things, it's like a like a table. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and my focus is shifting to all these different things
Speaker 8: on the table, but I see all of them at
Speaker 8: the same time. However, if my focus goes goes too
Speaker 8: far into one thing, then I lose.
Speaker 6: Side of everything else.
Speaker 2: What is your focus mainly be going into lately?
Speaker 6: Mainly bullshit, to be honest, kind of bullshit.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of weed.
Speaker 2: Okay, like.
Speaker 8: Video games which I haven't played in like years, and
Speaker 8: now I'm just like getting back into it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 8: I feel like I'm not I know where I'm going
Speaker 8: and and I have faith and myself, I guess like
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't know what else to have faith in.
Speaker 2: What is your relationship like with your girlfriend?
Speaker 8: It's uh, up and down, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Up and down.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: It's like sometimes we're the exact same person and then
Speaker 8: sometimes we're two different people.
Speaker 2: What do you think you guys differ.
Speaker 8: On probably our motivations.
Speaker 2: What motivates you and what motivates her.
Speaker 8: I don't necessarily know what motivates me. It's kind of
Speaker 8: a feeling. It's like, it's like I feel like, you know,
Speaker 8: I'm capable of anything, but you know.
Speaker 1: For good.
Speaker 8: Also, you know, everything has an opposite. But I feel
Speaker 8: like I can literally do anything I want, but I
Speaker 8: also hold myself back from that. So what motivates me
Speaker 8: is a feeling.
Speaker 2: What motivates you is a.
Speaker 8: Feeling m that I have everything that I want.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 8: It's like I already have everything that I want and
Speaker 8: that's what keeps me going.
Speaker 2: What do you believe it is that motivates your girlfriend?
Speaker 8: You know, I don't know, because there's a lot, there's
Speaker 8: a lot.
Speaker 2: Can I talk to her real quick?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: For sure? Hello.
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Your boyfriend is telling me that he feels
Speaker 2: like you guys have two different motivations.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, what do you think your two different motivations are?
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I think I don't know why you
Speaker 4: would say that. I feel like we both want we
Speaker 4: both have similar motivations, like we both feel like we
Speaker 4: can achieve greatness in a sense and that we both
Speaker 4: have a deep purpose that we're both trying to find,
Speaker 4: and that's what motivates us, is that we know that
Speaker 4: we're important to this world in some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if he can he hear me
Speaker 2: right now if I talk, Yeah, I can hear you.
Speaker 2: What I get from both of you, guys, is that
Speaker 2: I can tell both of you, regardless of the actual methods,
Speaker 2: regardless of the how. The how is not important, but
Speaker 2: the what you guys seem to be on the same
Speaker 2: level of which is that both of you are interested
Speaker 2: in improving yourselves and aspiring higher Neither of you seem
Speaker 2: to be very complacent. You're both interested in becoming better people.
Speaker 2: Would you both agree on that? Sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I think that while I don't know how you guys
Speaker 2: differ in your approach to becoming better people, or even
Speaker 2: if you agree on what your definition of being a
Speaker 2: better person is, you both have that aspiration to become
Speaker 2: better people, and maybe together you can kind of both
Speaker 2: having the same what, both having that same goal of
Speaker 2: becoming a better person. Maybe together you help each other
Speaker 2: figure out the how of achieving that goal, and that
Speaker 2: is something that brings you too closer together.
Speaker 4: This is making me emotional.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You're like the first person who's ever said that. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I feel like everyone in our lives like
Speaker 4: a against us being.
Speaker 5: Together just because we are different and we do.
Speaker 4: Have different ways of doing things.
Speaker 5: But the way you said that.
Speaker 4: That was beautiful.
Speaker 2: What's your boyfriend's name, Elijah? What do you think about that? Elijah?
Speaker 6: I don't know what to say right now. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: don't know what to say.
Speaker 2: Why do people say that you guys shouldn't be together?
Speaker 1: They've always said that.
Speaker 2: Why do you think they say that?
Speaker 8: I don't know why because their opinionated? Because everyone has
Speaker 8: their own opinions. Sure, I mean they're entitled to that,
Speaker 8: but but who am I to care about someone else's
Speaker 8: opinion because in the end, like like, I'm not going
Speaker 8: to be with them in the end anyway, So what's
Speaker 8: it to me to listen to someone else?
Speaker 2: You sound like you do with those people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do.
Speaker 6: They just never saw what I.
Speaker 2: Saw, sure, And you know, it's interesting because even though
Speaker 2: maybe you guys do differ on like I said, the
Speaker 2: how that almost to me is a good thing because
Speaker 2: it means that you have things to learn from each other.
Speaker 2: You know, if both of you had the exact same
Speaker 2: philosophies on how to become a better person, and then
Speaker 2: there would almost be no reason for you two to
Speaker 2: be in each other's lives because you wouldn't be adding anything.
Speaker 2: Whereas if you both have different perspectives on this, you're
Speaker 2: both gaining something from each other toward uh, your common goal.
Speaker 6: So I actually you're on another level.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know that.
Speaker 4: No, the get is focus.
Speaker 3: Fuck, that's why I listened to him all the time.
Speaker 2: I'm so, how do you guys feel about all of that?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I knew what you I already knew what you had
Speaker 8: to say.
Speaker 4: I knew that calling in would give me some sort
Speaker 4: of insight. I did kind of call for a weird reason,
Speaker 4: but the underlying reason was trying to figure out I guess,
Speaker 4: like I guess, how to come to terms with his differences.
Speaker 4: And you answered that question beautifully.
Speaker 2: And thank you for that, of course, Thank you guys
Speaker 2: for calling. Is there anything uh that you want to
Speaker 2: say to each other before we go?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Alright, what did you say?
Speaker 1: I said?
Speaker 8: I think silence speaks more than words.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, thank you guys very much for calling us,
Speaker 2: or anything you want to say to the people of
Speaker 2: the computer before we go.
Speaker 5: Just send love to everyone and do your best to
Speaker 5: try to understand peopleeople who are different than you and
Speaker 5: send them as much compassion and love as you can.
Speaker 2: Elijah, what do you gotta say? People?
Speaker 8: Much love and have a blessed have a blessed day,
Speaker 8: and and grace on your journey.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for talking to you guys. Have
Speaker 2: a good rest of the night, you too, m hm, Okay,
Speaker 2: what all right? Thoughts? Thoughts? Thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts, thoughts.
Speaker 2: That was an interesting one. That was intense. You could
Speaker 2: cut that tension with a knife. Uh, couldn't get a
Speaker 2: great read on Elijah. Elijah was a strong but silent type,
Speaker 2: but you could. He kind of revealed his passion to
Speaker 2: us when he was going on his thing about how
Speaker 2: he doesn't care about other people's opinions about why him
Speaker 2: and his girlfriend shouldn't be together, and that kind of
Speaker 2: revealed his thoughts on his relationship, which is that he
Speaker 2: does think that him and his girlfriend should be together.
Speaker 2: Let's see, I was talking about they have a common
Speaker 2: what they both were interested in self improvement. You know,
Speaker 2: Raquel was bringing up all this Buddhist stuff, and you know,
Speaker 2: she got into it because she's searching for some kind
Speaker 2: of higher meaning or higher whatever as a person and God,
Speaker 2: when I talk, you could tell when I first started
Speaker 2: talking to Elijah, he like he wasn't there to bullshit,
Speaker 2: He wasn't there to play a little games with me.
Speaker 2: He was he got into it immediately. He got into
Speaker 2: it immediately, talking about Fuck what was he talking about?
Speaker 2: I just remember he was talking about, you know, ways
Speaker 2: that he wanted to improve himself, and that was like,
Speaker 2: that was these guys' through line. They just disagreed about
Speaker 2: how to do it because she had a little bit
Speaker 2: of this I guess you could call it baggage with
Speaker 2: this whole Buddhist philosophy thing, but she was kind of
Speaker 2: trying to get away from it, and he was a
Speaker 2: little bit trapped in himself and he was trying to
Speaker 2: get away from that. And you know, I meant what
Speaker 2: I said, hopefully they can kind of help each other
Speaker 2: become better people, because that's kind of what being in
Speaker 2: a relationship is about.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Not that I've a lot of experience to draw on,
Speaker 2: but you have other people in your life, so they
Speaker 2: can show you things that you weren't able to get
Speaker 2: to yourself. So I think it's a good thing. And
Speaker 2: I am a gecko on the internet. We did it.
Speaker 2: There Be Can goes on the line taking your phone
Speaker 2: calls every night. The RepA goes to a his ride's
Speaker 2: teaching you cloud in the middle of your life, but
Speaker 2: he's not really an expert.