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Speaker 2: First of all, Bro, we appreciate you coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: We had some some times with you on the course.

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Speaker 2: us Bro, thank you appreciate being on here. When you

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Speaker 3: I think any any point guard I played against, I

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Speaker 3: to me was Sam Cassel. I expect two you know,

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Speaker 3: you expect the guys who score score the basketball. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they gonna score. But the one person And for me,

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Speaker 3: I'm five eleven. I mean they always put me at

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Speaker 3: And I mean I could play him well, can play

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Speaker 3: them good. How if he got a chance to see

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Speaker 3: off the REMP. It's up sixty three six six, three

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Speaker 3: G mister Darryl Armstrong, appreciate yo G.

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Speaker 1: Pulling up on the homies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for hev Gastown, North Carolina. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: you started late. Very You ain't start playing basketball to

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Speaker 2: so long to like get into you ain't play no sport.

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Speaker 1: He was a football football receiver my tenth grade year.

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Speaker 3: I had that school like in high school, six touchdowns receiver,

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Speaker 1: I kicked the football so well. He was a good kick.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy. I kicked the football so well.

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Speaker 3: And the way I end up kicking was Pop Warner,

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Speaker 3: the coach's son. He was the kickoff guy. He got hurt,

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Speaker 3: so we was doing just regular kicking in the practice

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Speaker 3: and he was like, can everybody.

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Speaker 1: Tried to kick it? I was like, shit, I tried.

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Speaker 3: A couple of guys tried, I said, I tried to coach,

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Speaker 3: let me try. And all we did when we're coming

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Speaker 3: you know that was our thing. Man, I kicked that ball.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know I can kick. I kicked that ball.

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Speaker 3: That thing you can you know how you can just

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Speaker 3: hear it? Yeah, he said, kick another one. Kicked another one.

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Speaker 3: He's say, you're the kicking that. So back back in

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Speaker 3: the day when you used to kick when Pop Warner,

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Speaker 3: you can't run it out. Kicking it in off the kickoff,

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Speaker 3: run it out. So you're always kicking it, booming it

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Speaker 3: I ended up analyzing one of my favorite team today,

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Speaker 3: washing the Redskins. At the time, it's all right, we

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Speaker 3: got some championships, but Mark Moseley, See, that's why I

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Speaker 3: love being in Dallas because Cowboys don't do nothing. You

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Speaker 3: They can talk jump you know, they can't say nothing.

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Speaker 3: was always my favorite field goal kicker. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people say it's crazy. A lot of people don't even

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Yeah, I see a lot of

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Speaker 3: I just always took on that straight on cake and

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Speaker 3: coach Cable, Jeff Cable, said, can you have football team?

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Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I said, but I ain't kicked

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Speaker 3: End up ended up kicking the first time I kicked

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Speaker 3: The first time I did it was against Terry Bouton

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Speaker 3: Yarder that day on Saturday, and then came back home

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Speaker 3: But the funny part about kicking to a homecoming was

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Speaker 3: booming them. I got in rhythm about the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: Night, forty seven and the thirty five yard of to

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Speaker 3: football has always been my first love, but somehow I

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Speaker 1: You can jump, you was staying but you was strong

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like so, like, how did you get that athletic ability,

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Speaker 1: You're a senior.

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Speaker 3: There's no reason to let me let you play because

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Speaker 3: So but he let me try out, and I never

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Speaker 1: He said, you can be on the team. He said,

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Speaker 3: You can be on a thirteen man team, and you'll

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Speaker 1: He said, you can help us practice.

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Speaker 1: And I had probably sometimes it, which is sad.

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Speaker 3: You have to wait for a guy to get injured,

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Speaker 3: So for me, I had to continue to work my

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Speaker 3: knowing that he probably once he said you might not play,

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Speaker 3: I played pick up basketball. You wasn't really half court.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're talking about like like watching the NBA,

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Speaker 2: you know how you watch the I watched James Worthy

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Speaker 3: Because they're from all right, and then I was a

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Speaker 3: big Carolina fan, No Carolina fan, Tar Hills. My favorite

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Speaker 3: that was Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: He can do what he wants.

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Speaker 2: So your basketball history is really early on because you

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Speaker 2: if you started watching North Carolina and then you continue

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Speaker 2: to follow James Worthy because he played with the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: I followed James in college. I used to go to

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Speaker 1: Always go do little stuff.

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Speaker 3: That was That's the team I played for in Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget.

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Speaker 3: We had Chuck Nevitt who was six seven six, Lorenzo

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Speaker 3: My first two days was the craziest day of my

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Speaker 2: With the games left into the season, Yeah, one one

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Speaker 3: a nap and get ready for this last game. Come

437
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: to tell you now, this is the perfect time. And

438
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: I already knew God God working now, God working now.

439
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: Were supposed to play Sunday.

440
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: I beat it.

441
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: Some bonus now Real Madrid was in the final four

442
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 3: the European Championship. Every team moved their game up to

443
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 3: Friday to give them a chance to extra you know,

444
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 3: get extra practice. Two days after practice, I got to

445
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: call Friday. So my agent was like, what you're doing.

446
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: I was like, man, I'm trying to get out of here. Man,

447
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 3: so I'm trying to fly tomorrow. Ain't no flights, vadeable,

448
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 3: I ain't seen nothing. And I never checked first class

449
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 3: or anything. Was just checking regularly. And he's like, well,

450
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: you gotta get out of there. I was like, huh.

451
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 3: Antenna's came up right away. Huh, what's going on? Nick

452
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: Anderson Boxy I heard Pennies injured and they need another guard.

453
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 3: It's like probably eighty percent chance they gonna sign you.

454
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, my dreams got to come true. Right.

455
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 3: I was sitting there. I told you I was about

456
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: taking nap. She me and that pillows over there talking

457
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 3: each other. Man, I can't sleep. I was so excited.

458
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 3: I just couldn't sleep. So for me, I was like

459
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 3: so excited that I didn't realize. I went to the

460
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 3: game and I was just sitting there, still numb, still

461
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: numbing from me. You know this might happen, and I

462
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: never forget. One of my teammates, Channel Thompson. He said, Yo,

463
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: what's wrong with you? Da Like, it's like nothing. He's like, Manna,

464
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: he said, something wrong with you?

465
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: Over here?

466
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 3: You ain't saying nothing. I said, come here, I say,

467
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: my agents say, don't say nothing to nobody. So I said, man,

468
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: it's a chance, eighty percent chance I'm as signing with

469
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: Orlando to morrow.

470
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: It's like, get the fuck out of here. I was like, nah,

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: for real.

472
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 3: He's like, man, that's crazy because he's been over there

473
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 3: for a while. He could play too. So end up,

474
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 3: after the game, we had a little team. Thener Man

475
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: I was over there picking my food. I was like, man,

476
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: come on, y'all, let's go. I'm waiting to see if

477
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 3: I'm getting ran back to the hotel and I got

478
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: to the hotel, sitting there waiting on the CALLM up.

479
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 3: Two boys came. They was waiting, just sitting got that call.

480
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 3: My agent's like congratulations. I thought he was talking about

481
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: the game because I had like thirty eight eight threes

482
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 3: that night. I was just hot. He's like, you official

483
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 3: member of Orlando Magic. It's like, get out of here. He's like, nah.

484
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: He said, go to the airport. It's like two hours away.

485
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: He said, you have anybody, I said, you can get

486
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: the family cab people to drive me there. They drove

487
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 3: me to the airport, which I didn't think I was

488
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 3: gonna get. You know, calves over there.

489
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: Drivers over there, they drive fast ship. It was night.

490
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: Times, like you know, they small little rolls. He's doing

491
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,239
Speaker 3: fifty sixty now, I ain't gonna make it, you know.

492
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: But ended up getting there and I remember getting getting

493
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 3: out of car. I didn't eve take my luggage, got

494
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: out of the car, went in there. It's like Yo,

495
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: Iberia Iberia Airline. I think of the name of it.

496
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 3: I said, do you have a flight for Daryl m shown.

497
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 3: She was like, look up, she said got idea said yeah,

498
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 3: gave me my passport.

499
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: She said you got lugger. I said yeah. She said

500
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: cook get your luggy. I was like, oh shit, I

501
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: got my luggage. Told them by so you still wouldn't

502
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: believe what.

503
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: They flying back and so flew right into Philly. John

504
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: Gabriels gym managers there, gave me the phone and do

505
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: an interview real quick.

506
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: Boom, got my luggage. Jump in the cab.

507
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: It's like six thirty almost something like six six thirty.

508
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 3: So jumped in the cab. Get there. As soon as

509
00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 3: I walk in. It was a crazy little or in

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 3: there because I was like, I mean for real, like

511
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 3: you walk in. As I walk in, the first two

512
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: players I meet was Shaquille O'Neill and Hars Grant. I say,

513
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: Damna say that ship. The bonus was big with the

514
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 3: like he look big at athletic. So Shack was like, y'all,

515
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 3: I guess they told him what type of player. I

516
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 3: was out. I run the floor for you. Run the floor,

517
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: I said, I got your big feller.

518
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: I got knowing I ain't gonna play that night. No,

519
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna play.

520
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 3: But met Harris and I met uh the head coach, coach,

521
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: Brian Hill. He's riding on the board, getting the board together,

522
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 3: and then uh, they took me to my locker. I

523
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 3: saw number ten first, your soul right there. I was like, yo,

524
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 3: I was still in shock. I was still stung. I

525
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: was still like just like, damn, this really is happening

526
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: because for five years, this is five years and to

527
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 3: work and and never forget going out on the court.

528
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 3: And I saw my agent and everything, and you know,

529
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 3: I was sitting here like damn, I'm in the spectrum

530
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 3: right now.

531
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I had to walk crazyballs.

532
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 3: I had to walk across to the other stadium, veteran

533
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 3: stadium at that time, and signed my deal. And the

534
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 3: first thing I saw was y'all got a jail cell

535
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 3: down here. She said, yeah, Philly fans a while. So

536
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, I said, okay. So that never

537
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 3: stayed out of my mind. Every time I think of Philly,

538
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: I think about that jail and I understand.

539
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

540
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 3: So it was just a wild, crazy, crazy ride at

541
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 3: that time. Tell me this, So that was doing it

542
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 3: the ninety playoffs run up. He had the blue suits

543
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 3: and I remember seeing you on the side I had

544
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: to go. So he had the loud suits. I remember

545
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: the loud suit.

546
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: This that's why I say. And then you went from

547
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: this suits to life.

548
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, time due used to be.

549
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: This was the crazy part. That's the same year Michael

550
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: Jordan came back. Yeah, that was when he came back.

551
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 3: I think he came back. He was in twenty games

552
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: and two coming back when I got there, and like

553
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 3: I said, I played the last fourteen and then we

554
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: end up the crazy part. Because the playoffs now and

555
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 3: injuries rosters who it's changed big time. Because back in

556
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: the day when I played, if you was injured, once

557
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: you went on that roster, you stuck on the injury list.

558
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: You stayed on for five games, no matter.

559
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: Who got hurt. You got hurt, you got hurt. Still

560
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: can't bring me up for five games. Now it's changes

561
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: every night now in the playoff and not to play off,

562
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 3: but the record season and the playoffs, so every night

563
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: the injury list can change. So in case you get hurt,

564
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: now I can still I can come off an injury list,

565
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: but not back in the day.

566
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: You had to do five games.

567
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: So once the playoffs starts, once your roster is set,

568
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: it's set.

569
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: You can't change it throughout the playoffs. Can't change it. Set.

570
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: So we played. We beat Boston. That's the first time

571
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 3: Boston Garden gets shut down. Orlando shut it down. We

572
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: swept them. That yeah, second round we play Michael Jordan.

573
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: Then that's when Nick Anderson hold the ball, throw the ball.

574
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: To this day, until I saw the last dance, I

575
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: did not know Nick Anderson said forty five is not

576
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: twenty three.

577
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Oh lord, I would have say, man, y'all, you don't

578
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: check the fuck? What is you doing?

579
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: You don't get this man, No few, what did you do?

580
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 3: So when I saw that, I was like, oh my god.

581
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: So game two time you never knew, never knew it,

582
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: never knew it because I was I was newcoming still

583
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: so game two, never forget. He comes out, keeps his

584
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: top on, got his pants off. Short song they do,

585
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 3: the announcement, took that shiit autead that twenty three warning

586
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: Thember forty five, Michael Jordan's crowd go crazy. Know he

587
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 3: we at home, but it sounds like we're in Chicago

588
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: because of him. Kept his top on him. Boy, both

589
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: teams broke out of the huddles coming to the court.

590
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: That brother took out that damn thing. I saw two three, I.

591
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: Said, oh, Superman in the field, back cap, wherever you

592
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: want to call him.

593
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: Jesus were in trouble tonight.

594
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: So they end a winning game. They won game two.

595
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 3: Oh lord, I saw that two three. I was said,

596
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: Oh time about this is what I want to know,

597
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: because you know how we all know how it is

598
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: in the league, and especially in that position like where

599
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 3: you like I ain't playing, Like what was.

600
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: The chatter at the end of the bench. Oh shit,

601
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just know I was in sight.

602
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: I was. I don't know what I was saying. I'm

603
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: ready to watch this.

604
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 3: Because I was sitting there like I ain't got to

605
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: guard him, y'all got to guard him.

606
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: Good luck.

607
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm about to see some say you're doing a good job.

608
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: Keep up to good luck. Good luck.

609
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: So they end up beating us the rest of the time.

610
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: This was the crazy part. Time he wore that number.

611
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 3: They got fined two hundred thousand, because you know you

612
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: gotta have that number January, you gotta switch that. So

613
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: they got fined two hundred thousand, which he's making that

614
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: every time he play. Anyway, Jean that that jump man

615
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: was making that money. Anyway, he got that. But we

616
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 3: end up winning four to two on the court. That

617
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: was the first time hars Grant left Chicago.

618
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: Y'all carried him. I remember all that ship remember, yeah,

619
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: I remember. I don't like that.

620
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: They said, Jordan's trainer is like when you want to start,

621
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: He said tomorrow lifting waist and he said all he

622
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: kept thinking was Orlando. Man, they played us in there

623
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: was shocked. Last time in Orlando they played us. They

624
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: swept us. But I never for I never forget this.

625
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: And you can go back and look at the stat

626
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: sheet and they were just all they was fucking hars Grant.

627
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Harris can't do put his head down and just laugh.

628
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: It was on the free throw line right in front

629
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: of us, Jordan all skuy. They was talking ship boy.

630
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: Jordan had two free throws at the end of the game.

631
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: He hit the first one and missed the second one

632
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: on purpose, and we were like, what the fuck is

633
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: doing you know, somebody say, look at the scoreboard. He

634
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: left forty five on the school board. You know, Jordan,

635
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Petty and the mother. He left forty five for last

636
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: year on the scoreboard. Go back and look at game

637
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: four stat sheet. You can google that forty five.

638
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you this, to.

639
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Just get through that season and this is your first

640
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: experience in the NBA to watch the run that Orlando

641
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: had all the way to the finals to face the Kingdom,

642
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: Like just how was that?

643
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: That whole thing?

644
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: Like after y'all got past Mike now and then y'all

645
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: go to the conference finals, then you go to the finals.

646
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: Your first year, you seeing every level and let less

647
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: than two months, like basically a two three months fan

648
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: like you seeing every level of the league. You've seen

649
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: regular season to every series off the Dream.

650
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: And you're seeing the best.

651
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 4: What you're saying, Shaq dominating and then he run into

652
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: the Dream in the championship, Like how was that?

653
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: Just tell us the rest of lester, it was surreal

654
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: beyondes twitch, I mean like inspiring. It was great too

655
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: for me to see because if you study the game,

656
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: you need to study the game.

657
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: I never forget.

658
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: Doctor j always told me because he used to work

659
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: with Orlando, he always told me, a young fella, make

660
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: sure you learn the history about the NBA.

661
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can. You're gonna learn something every day

662
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: in the NBA.

663
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sorry, I don't care if you If you

664
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: really into learning about the history of the NBA, you're

665
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: gonna learn something every day because it's so much history

666
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 3: in the in the league. But the journey of you

667
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: know that we had Indiana. They always was trying to

668
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: get past New York. I want to say New York

669
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 3: because they had a thirty for thirty on Indiana, and

670
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 3: they always say, we got past New York, now we're

671
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: about to Then we did run into Orlando or young

672
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: Orlando team that was tough, and you know, I came

673
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: to a team that was stacked. I just kept learning

674
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: and I took that blueprint in of how to win

675
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: and what you had to do to win. Because Penny

676
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 3: was very unselfish, he doesn't get a lot of credit

677
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 3: for it.

678
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, having Shock, he always fed Shock.

679
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: You know, even if he had a fast break, he

680
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: might flip it right back to Shock. If he sees

681
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: Shock running, he might flip it right back. It's little

682
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: things like that that does a team good. It shows

683
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 3: the unselfishness of a superstar. And Penny was very unselfish,

684
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: but he was also a big time superstar that could score.

685
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: And I just always took that in and I applied

686
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 3: it to what I was doing. Even when we we

687
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: had Doc Rivers or his first year of head coaching,

688
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: and they called this team in Orlando, I'm for sure

689
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: you played in Orlando. They always talk about this team

690
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: in Orlando, the heart and hustle team where nobody knew

691
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 3: Ben Wallace. Ben we got We traded Ben from from Washington.

692
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: Nobody knew Ben was behind. Was Shee Wallace, Chris Webber,

693
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 3: Juwan Howard. Nobody knew nothing about him. But sham God

694
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: did sham God telling me the stories on them. And

695
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: but for me, when we got Ben, I was like, Okay,

696
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 3: we had bo Outlaw, you know, a man press alert, Yeah,

697
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 3: one man. We had a defensive team at Chuckie Atkins

698
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: his first year. Chuck didn't know when he was coming

699
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 3: on the team, was he gonna play be here or not.

700
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 3: Doc told him, look, you my backup point guard. You're

701
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: gonna be here, so get your mind right, be ready

702
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: to play. So we end up winning forty one games

703
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: and went forty one and forty one, which was crazy

704
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: because you know, how many games? Who was picked to

705
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 3: win that year?

706
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: Ten?

707
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: And then we had a chance to not only get

708
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, which I would have loved for that

709
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: to happen with Doctbo. Doc end up getting Coach of

710
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: the Year. We end up going forty one and forty one.

711
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: As I say, but we had two ten game losing

712
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: streaks that year.

713
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: But we was a.

714
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: Tough team and we knew how to play, We knew

715
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: how to work. Ben Wallace became Ben Wallace. He took

716
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 3: off and went to Detroit the next year, full time

717
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: Defensive Player of the Year, NBA champion, First team whatever,

718
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: He's in the Hall of Fame now.

719
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Nobody knew nothing about him.

720
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: So that was always a rewarding to have guys like

721
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: that get rewarded. And Chucky took off and with the

722
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: Detroit with being so you know, it was fun to

723
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: have the blueprint from my first year with Orlando to

724
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: add it to not knowing I was gonna add it

725
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: with guys, young guys who hasn't had their experience to

726
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,479
Speaker 3: play in the NBA and give it to them.

727
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: Did you always have the n man? You got speed.

728
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: You can have speed, but like speed and energy is

729
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: just like a fucked up commendation for a fucker who's

730
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 2: trying to guard.

731
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: When you started drinking three coffees and eating all of

732
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: damn chocolate before and that halftime.

733
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: What the hell was it you was doing.

734
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: I used to drink a cup of coffee because that

735
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: was the first day of the time we had to

736
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: lock out season. Yeah, Chuck Daddy was like, that's the

737
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: year I won six man and most improved after coming

738
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 3: off my protato cuff surgery. Chuck Daddy, I never forget

739
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: he was at Golden State. He said, I don't know,

740
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: give it down. I don't care what you do. Say

741
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: he drink a drink, a cup of coffee, have a

742
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: co cola. We need we need to get a wink

743
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 3: and we lost like three. That's when we was playing

744
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: three games in a row. That night, I had like

745
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 3: twenty one. I never forget that game had twenty one

746
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 3: and eight. And ever since, I just kept drinking coffee

747
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: because I used to make it for my stepdad here

748
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: in Gastonia when I was younger. He used to always

749
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: come from work and he asked a cup of coffee

750
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: and I had to taste it, you know, so I

751
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: knew how he made it, and ever since I used

752
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: to taste his coffee, I always like mine with some

753
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 3: cream and some sugar.

754
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: Wanted to be sweet.

755
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: And from there that day, once I started, it just

756
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 3: took off, and I just kept doing it because I'm

757
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 3: I'm very superstitious, very superstitious. Keep keep on doing it.

758
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: I love chicken on game day, even to the day.

759
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: I loved drinking a cup of coffee before the game.

760
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: So I'm very off. Was very superstitious. And then someone

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: started a thing. It gave me two Hirsh's kisses and

762
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: I ate them at halftime, but I had to stop

763
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 3: doing the hurst kisches. I had high cholesterol even when

764
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 3: I played, so I remember that was telling me, Yo,

765
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to calm down. Yeah, but I'm a

766
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 3: soul ful either, That's what I know. And you know

767
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: I hate chiplins before playoff games. You know, had two

768
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: of my best games against Detroit my last year in Orlando,

769
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: ship off chiplins Olies. You know Olies, and I don't know,

770
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: you know OLiS is off of Real Grand in Orlando.

771
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: But I'll never forget.

772
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: I ate Chipling's Ki eight Chipling's the first game Game

773
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 3: three I had eighteen, and I don't know what else

774
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 3: I had. We end up winning, went right back. Oh yeah,

775
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 3: I went right back. And then Game four had some

776
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 3: more chiplings. Now I gotta I'm gonna tell you right now,

777
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: and maybe move move furniture after the game. But during

778
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 3: that game, I was moving, so I like Game yeah.

779
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 3: We ran through me after the game. Game three, I

780
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: had eighteen. Game four, I had twenty and didn't miss

781
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: a shot. I even had a shot where we was trying.

782
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: We had one second he was trying to get the

783
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: ball of tam Mac couldn't get the ballle tea maker

784
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: and I just took off, ran stepped on the three

785
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: point line and turned and just threw.

786
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: I remember that.

787
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: I remember that, and that mother hit all that in

788
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 3: the crowd just going crazy. But I was twenty point

789
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: six for six. It was hot, four for four from

790
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 3: the three.

791
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: So with your first dunk contest ever went to c

792
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: I double a dunk contest. That's the first time you

793
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: participated on contest. No.

794
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: I participated in uh a few, like playing in community

795
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 3: service leaves, going up to Delaware, doing stuff like that.

796
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: But you had some little stuff with No. I had

797
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: some stuff with me.

798
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: They but they set me up in the dunk contest.

799
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: It wouldn't have set up. It wouldn't have set up.

800
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: They trying to change the rules that year. It wouldn't

801
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: beneficial for me because I like to run back. I

802
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: like to feel my jump like a track high jumper,

803
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: you know. And that's the year they changed the rules,

804
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: and man, I ain't gonna ooh boy, I was so

805
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: I was so hurt because all my life I used

806
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: to watch the dunk contest and I was like, you

807
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: know what, I can't wait till till I get to

808
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: the end, you know, you know. And once I got

809
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: in the NBA, not knowing I was going to make

810
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: the NBA, you know. And so once like once I

811
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: got in there, I got the chance to do it

812
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 3: my second year and they changed the ruts the first

813
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 3: time they ever changed the rules on the dunk contest.

814
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: You got to do it in three dunks in a minute,

815
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: in thirty seconds. Yeah, yeah, I remember that change.

816
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: God, yeah, man, what I can remember Doctor Jay saying

817
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 3: slow down, slow down. But I couldn't slow down because

818
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: I was like, I gotta make this. But and I

819
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: didn't realize I did a layup in the dunk contest,

820
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: like because it was my last.

821
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I just seen that like something like

822
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: the last was just like, man, I was so tired.

823
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: After my second dunk, and I missed my second dunk.

824
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 3: I made my first one, reverse came back and missed

825
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: my second dunk.

826
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: I was done, man.

827
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 3: And then after missing a couple of them, that last one,

828
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: I was like, you got ten seconds.

829
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: I ran down and I just did this.

830
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: Right here and put some English on it.

831
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: That when I got thirty points for it.

832
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 3: But I didn't realize I did a layup until later

833
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: on in my career. And they started showing the worst

834
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: dunk dunks, you know, like it was that you started.

835
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 3: Real thing I'm talking about. It had fans, cartwheel on,

836
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 3: it had fans.

837
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: They had out but they had everything.

838
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: I was sitting there like, oh lord, but it's it

839
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: made me though, Yeah, that's what made me. Now I

840
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: blame my wife. She gave me something before the dunk contest.

841
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: So I blame my wife. You know that she took

842
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: my legs Adam Eve.

843
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: And man and man don't know how to say no.

844
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: You're right about that, right about I don't know how

845
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: to say no.

846
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: I was sitting there all day doing good. The first

847
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: thing I got onto the bench, I sat down. I

848
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, boy, you should have just kept yourself

849
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 3: to yourself.

850
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Go Liz Goll, tell me the Tell me about the

851
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: year that you You're the only person in NBA history

852
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: to win Most Improved and six Man in the same y'all.

853
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Was that that year for you? Was that? Yeah?

854
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 3: It was crazy because I was coming off of a

855
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: rotator cuff and I didn't know what the injury was.

856
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: I just remember we was in Indiana. Man, I couldn't

857
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: It's like I couldn't even hold my arm up myself.

858
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I said I want to do this, and it just dropped.

859
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: So I didn't have no control of it. I never forget.

860
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: We went to Indiana and this was when I really

861
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: first started playing, and Chuck Dailey called me in his room.

862
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Chuck would start me.

863
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: You know, in the NBA, I was the backup, so

864
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: we had I had two vats, Mark Price and Derek Harper.

865
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: When you get hurt or injured, you don't lose your

866
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: starting position when you come back.

867
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: That's how it used to be back in the day.

868
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: So I never forget I was playing well and I

869
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: never forget Derek and Witch Color came back, Mark Price

870
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: and that mortal he had shoot around. It just put

871
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: big time confidence in me then, because now I'm knowing

872
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 3: what I need to do every night, and how to

873
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 3: stay on the floor every night, how to win games

874
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: Chuck d they said, we're gonna stay with our same lineup.

875
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: They're all gonna stay at point man.

876
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: That did something to me because I already knew the

877
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: rule that you don't lose your starting position to injury.

878
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: And so for me, I kept going. And then I

879
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: can say my shoulder kept getting worse and worse. I

880
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: just remember I remember hitting call me on.

881
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know somebody.

882
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: I thought my shoulder was bigger than his, but evidently

883
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't.

884
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: The next morning. From there, I just kept getting worse

885
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and worse.

886
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: Wall yeah, yeah, And I'm the type I'll say, forget ice,

887
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: let's just keep playing. I'm typed for spring my ankle.

888
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 3: Let me feel it, let me see if I can

889
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 3: run or whatever. Don't take me up, don't do I'm

890
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: just that tight. And so it just kept getting worse

891
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: and worse, and then I never forgot, kept putting flex

892
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: all on it before games and trying to get it,

893
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 3: trying to keep it warm, and and and then Chuck

894
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 3: called me, you.

895
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: Pa, I was just going, yeah, I was going.

896
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: And then Chuck called me in his room and told

897
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 3: me you're gonna miss the last thirty two games of

898
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: the season, and uh, because I didn't my eye. And

899
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: in the end he said, but I'm gonna fightna fight

900
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: hard for you, because he said, I love the way

901
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: you played for me and how hard you play, And

902
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: he fought hard for me. Next year, that's when we

903
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: had the lockout going and I ended up signing a

904
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 3: five year, twenty mil deal. That's the year I won

905
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: six man and most Improved won twice. I think I

906
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: was twice once Player of the week. That's that real

907
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: player of the week.

908
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't no.

909
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: West East Player of the week. It's one player for

910
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: a week. So for a week, yes, but you know,

911
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 3: so having a guy like that in my back background

912
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 3: and a legendary coach, you know, that's that was great

913
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: for me.

914
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: After you win Most Improving sixth man that year that

915
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: summer it talks about the talks was y'all possibly can

916
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: get Tim Duncan, Grant Hill and Trace McGrady, Like, what was.

917
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: Your thought process of that?

918
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 2: Like, man, I'm here, I had had a good year

919
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: and now we're finish, bringing Mo.

920
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: Fire power to help me do.

921
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: But just hearing that, like like you go from Shack

922
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: them and you know once once Shack then was there

923
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: and you had this powerhouse team that can compete for

924
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: a title. Once Shack left, they really just dismantled the

925
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: whole team.

926
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: But the team went down a little bit, especially when

927
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Penny got hurt. Yeah, Manny got hurt.

928
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: When the then Penny go off to Phoenix. Yeah, Like

929
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: they basically just medled the team, all the guys in there,

930
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: but they kind of got to start over.

931
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: But in one year we got it back with Doc

932
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 3: with the heart and hustle team end up bringing Trace

933
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 3: McGrady over and Grant Hill over even though Grant was injured.

934
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: But I'm like that, why did snivn the others get

935
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: on the plane?

936
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Dock y'all would have brought Big Tim Duncan too. That

937
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: let me take you already.

938
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: Did y'all know that when that went down? Like or

939
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: did you find out? Much like another situation, because that

940
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 3: was that was pretty swift that everybody found out out

941
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: after after he because it was all in, like Tim

942
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: Duncan's going to the to the man. Then it was like,

943
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead, tell you y'all over here to ya.

944
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, burning back. I don't believe sh it the

945
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 3: ship happens. Okay, let me tell you something. Tim leaving

946
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 3: San Antonio, you.

947
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: Didn't think that was going. You don't think it was

948
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 2: it was because of that. You think he just wasn't

949
00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: gonna leave San Antonio.

950
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: He'd already won a championship, maybe, but to maybe one. Okay,

951
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: he's already won one. Now somebody else said that he was.

952
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: I heard t mac them. I don't have Instagram. We

953
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: have interviewed them both, and they both say that say

954
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 3: what they mad with Doc for not letting the significant

955
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: others be on the plane or whatever he wanted should

956
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: have happened, they said, burning back say, I don't believe

957
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: the shit happened. So I come and find out. On Instagram.

958
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: A while back I had saw the same story again,

959
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: a couple somebody else telling Tim Duncan never talked to

960
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: Pop about leaving yet, but he I guess he has

961
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 3: said to Grant and all them that he wants to come.

962
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: But that said it right there. You ain't talking to Pop?

963
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: But why do you have to talk to Pop when

964
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 2: he's creating?

965
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: He going to talk to if you really want to leave.

966
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: If you want to leave, you're gonna leave, but you

967
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: gotta talk to Pop first. In his.

968
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 3: It's a different situation because if you if you was

969
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: a free agent.

970
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: And you want to leave, yeah, you're gonna leave, right am?

971
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: I Right? That's real. So he ain't talked to Pop.

972
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that. You Why do you think he

973
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 1: called him Pop?

974
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: That's like that's the grandpa he got that, he got

975
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: that vibe. You can't go nowhere, Hey, Papa, Papa, say

976
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: come here, Papa, say come in.

977
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: Mac.

978
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: Like you've seen Mac in Toronto the year before he

979
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: got to Orlando, and the Mac in Orlando is not

980
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: the macan Toronto, the Mac and Orlando.

981
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know where he came from.

982
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: Like I watched Mac and I pay attention to his career,

983
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: but basically that was the year that we kind of

984
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: came in and I'm looking at all these other guys

985
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: like on my radar and I play.

986
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: His position to guard him.

987
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: It was like, whoa you done, just passed up everybody.

988
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: How was that to see Max just evolved into the player.

989
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: That he evolved.

990
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: I think I think you got to also realize that

991
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 3: same year that he played his last year in Toronto,

992
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 3: they gave him more offensive too, but he.

993
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: Played a lot more that last year. That's when we

994
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: started banging on and in that playoffs he was he

995
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: was going off.

996
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: It was one to him in v because they was

997
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 3: double in VC so much that he really got off YO.

998
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: While Orlando when he got his, they got that. You're like,

999
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: wait a minute, they've.

1000
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: Been basketball samplicized. We didn't, ye because we got to Orlando.

1001
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: He was a whole another animal.

1002
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: He got to Orlando, he got a chance to be

1003
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 3: the man now. Because he talked about that with us,

1004
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: he was expecting g to get there and that was

1005
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: like his current ball, Like oh and then that's what

1006
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: like kind of kind of posed him into that position

1007
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 3: to where.

1008
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: Like, all right, she didn't get to play the whole year.

1009
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: She didn't, So guess what, I never forget t Max

1010
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 3: took advantage of that. But I think the biggest thing

1011
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: was also with Tim mac. He used to sleep a

1012
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 3: lot before the games, even when he got to the game,

1013
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: so I never forget. I finished doing my shooting on

1014
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: the court and coach Johnny Davis, Johnny Johnny d say,

1015
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: he used to call me captain.

1016
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: He said, Captain, come with me, And I said, what's

1017
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: going on? He said, come with me. We're going.

1018
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to get him off the table. We're gonna

1019
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 3: get him off the table. Said what do you mean.

1020
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 3: Tec would be back there, get dressed and have hot

1021
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 3: packs on him, back then on the on the table sleep.

1022
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: And I witnessed this. I've seen him. So he wake

1023
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: up out of sleep. Give him thirty.

1024
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: Well I don't know what he got that night, but

1025
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: I know he was given thirty after that. But Johnny

1026
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: got up, got him off the table, tell him, come on,

1027
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: come on, you gotta go work out.

1028
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: Got one up before the game.

1029
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: Because t Mac was sleep, he would really put hot

1030
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: packs on him and go to sleep.

1031
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: Be back there in this little unif looking all good

1032
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: in this uniform. Ain't taking a picture.

1033
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Knocked out and Johnny got him off the table. And

1034
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: ever since, that's what he was doing. Because we used

1035
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 3: to even with Team Matt, we used to do so

1036
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 3: many crazy things. We used to put a dot on

1037
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: the free throw line, and the other teams started noticing

1038
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 3: that Matt. If you watch TEA Matt, he never shot

1039
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: on the line. He had to take a step back,

1040
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: like almost a step back to shoot his free throws.

1041
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: And then he had that dot right there. That's where

1042
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: he was placed. The team started raising. Yeah.

1043
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: I was like, well, strategy in the game all the time.

1044
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's how Team Mac became t mag and

1045
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: he and he just took off I think for the

1046
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: best thing. Also, I was a point guard that I

1047
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 3: loved to score too. But like I say, once again,

1048
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 3: I understood the game. I know who to get the

1049
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: ball to and and I tell like I used to

1050
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: tell Ben Wallace even when we played with Doc, I

1051
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: know they wasn't scores. Yo, I knew what I was

1052
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: gonna get back on defense. So you got to reward

1053
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 3: these guys. Yeah, I said Ben, both, if you get

1054
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: run down the court and you get you posted up,

1055
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 3: stay there, I'm throwing you the ball.

1056
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still to go your boy.

1057
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: They get their little movie and they miss a make

1058
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: I know what I'm getting on this other end. Tell

1059
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 3: me this, how did you decide to make up your

1060
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 3: mind and actually execute? But you're gonna grab the mic

1061
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: and say, how about those headskins? They beet the Cowboys

1062
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 3: over the PA sister, like, like was that a den?

1063
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: Was that a big because I know I can imagine

1064
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: how I gotta started. You everybody talking your trash. You're like, oh,

1065
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: I do it?

1066
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: Like, how did.

1067
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 3: That was? That was a wild day. I wouldn't even

1068
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: supposed to speak. It's supposed to be Josh Howard, and

1069
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: Josh didn't want to speak. And Josh how many him

1070
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 3: and Marquis Dames boys, they was always on the road.

1071
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: When we went on the road, they were still fire me.

1072
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Keenino, I ain't gonna tell

1073
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 3: you what I was, okay, so yeah, uh.

1074
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: What were we talking about? You about about?

1075
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: And after Parli lost focus that that quick. But so yeah,

1076
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: Josh was supposed to Josh was supposed to speak, and

1077
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: he didn't want to do it. That same day, Washington

1078
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: won beat the Cowboys the last game that same year.

1079
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: I went to game the first game there, and this

1080
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: is in Dallas, said Josh Howard. This is in Dallas,

1081
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: this is night Orlando. This is the that's the year.

1082
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 3: That's the year when Washington won off of two passes

1083
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, they was getting beat thirteen nothing.

1084
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: I leave the game.

1085
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 3: I'm at Monday night at at Urban Stadium that at

1086
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: that time I leave the game, I'm in a RV.

1087
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: We Tailgaton. By the time I get to my RV,

1088
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: now I'm mad.

1089
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 3: I hit the RV with my arm because I know

1090
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: I got to talk to all these Cowboys fans and

1091
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 3: my boy get a phone call.

1092
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: Who's from Orlando.

1093
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: D VAL's like, he said, I can hear him say,

1094
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 3: Washington what they win in fourteen thirteen.

1095
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: Now I already hit my arm, so it's hurting, but

1096
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: it feeling better now.

1097
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: He said, Man, you won't believe this. I say, what

1098
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: we just left the game five minutes ago. He's like,

1099
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 3: Washington scored off the same play twice and we win

1100
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: the game fourteen thirteen. So that last game of the year,

1101
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 3: we played them on a Sunday holiday season, raining outside.

1102
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: We beat them twenty eight to ten.

1103
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 3: I come to the arena, Lansley, that's dirt assistance, She said, Daryl,

1104
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 3: can you do an announcement with Devin because shots don't

1105
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: want to do it.

1106
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: I'm just greeting the fans on the holiday.

1107
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 3: Scenes I say yes, Den, I said yes, Devon, I

1108
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 3: said yes, I said yes, Yes.

1109
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: I already knew I was gonna do. I already knew

1110
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: what I Oh. So she said that. I said, oh,

1111
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: it's the best time to get on. I said, so.

1112
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: We're playing Minnesota Kevin Garnet. Now, I ain't gonna never

1113
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: forget this. It was quiet, like holiday season time. Dallas

1114
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: fans are quiet, man, fan, so we uh sitting there.

1115
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: I say, Damn, you go first, because I told you,

1116
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: I alreadyknew I was gonna do. The only thing I

1117
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: didn't do was I was gonna do like sexual chocolate

1118
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: and coming to America drop the micro boy went first.

1119
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what, but I don't know what made

1120
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: me do some ship like this. Den went first. He said,

1121
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: this's greeting and gave him. I say, happy holiday season,

1122
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: and uh, happy New Year, and how about the redsk

1123
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: They started clapping and they realized what I said. I'm

1124
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 3: the fan favorite. I'm the fan favorite. I'm the spot club.

1125
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 3: You know I'm a fan favorite. Boy. They said, Da,

1126
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: it's quiet, it's quiet. It's quiet in there, d A

1127
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: get in there. What got soon as I go walking

1128
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 3: to the scores, table, the ball go out of bounds.

1129
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: Dude checking into the game, Darryl Armstrong boom. I just

1130
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: I just smile a grin. I say, oh boy, don't

1131
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: getting booed by my own fans. But that just made

1132
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: me do it. And the next year, I ain't gonna

1133
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: never forget this. Washington got beat that Sunday against the Cowboys.

1134
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: And we played the game on that Sunday, and I'm

1135
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 3: leaving the game.

1136
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: We just want a good game. Leaving the game, and

1137
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1138
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 3: I can see this kid come running down the stairs

1139
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 3: right there when we come out of the time, running

1140
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 3: down the stamps.

1141
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: This fight kid too. He was jolly. He said, he say,

1142
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: hey Daryn, Hey Darren. I thought he's gonna say a

1143
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: good game. I played that game. Yea, Hey Darren, how

1144
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: about the Cowboy? I say, you gonna take your little

1145
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: as I wanted in the back. I just started laying

1146
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: I said, boll he got me good on them. He

1147
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: got good.

1148
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: But that's my love and hate relationship with the Cowboys there.

1149
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 3: But now I really loved Dallas seventeen years. Nobody would

1150
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 3: have told me I would be with Dallas, the longest

1151
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: tenured assistant coast right now. Man, that's that's crazy.

1152
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: I thought that. No, No, I never thought that.

1153
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: Like I said, I was trying to play my fifteenth

1154
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: year and I never forget Steve Curry.

1155
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: I retired in Phoenix.

1156
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: Shaq was with Phoenix and Steve Kerr was the president

1157
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: at that time with Phoenix and uh damnon stalling my

1158
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 3: Troy Hudson, myself, d Brown. It was three two other

1159
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: guys G League team guys and Dee Brown and up

1160
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 3: getting the job who played in Illinois.

1161
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: But I retired right after that.

1162
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: I call my agent, told him, call a couple of

1163
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 3: people called Ben Wallace, called bo told them, thank you, man,

1164
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: appreciate everything. Called a couple of guys, call my agents,

1165
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: say thank you. Say my body just won't let me

1166
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: because it lets you know, Yeah, it lets you know,

1167
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: to let you know, let you know. And then I

1168
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: retired and a week later I got a call to

1169
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: come coach with Dallas.

1170
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: Recall out, how was that getting that call?

1171
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 3: Like when you you know, like you said, a week later,

1172
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: you just sitting there you like, damn like kind of

1173
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: collect yourself or whatever, like, how how.

1174
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: Was that it was?

1175
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: It was a good call, I mean because I mean,

1176
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: I love basketball, love being around basketball. Then at that time,

1177
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: not knowing I was going to go through a divorce.

1178
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: Now I can just concentrate on just being around basketball

1179
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 3: and not worrying about the life, what.

1180
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: The life is like.

1181
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 3: So for me, it was it was great to be

1182
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: around the game, be around because now that that's it's

1183
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 3: crazy because that's your family as well.

1184
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your family as players.

1185
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 3: When you especially for me home, you know, that's it's

1186
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: cool because that's your family. You got to spend time

1187
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 3: with family when you're on the road with them, that's

1188
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 3: your family. Your players, your teammates are your family, and

1189
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 3: so you gotta find ways to do things.

1190
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 1: With your family. Let me ask you this. You're coaching now, and.

1191
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 2: Two of my favorite guards in the NBA right now

1192
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: is Luke and Kyrie. To see you a guard, to

1193
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 2: see them go to work at the guard position and

1194
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: what they do, like Luca coming over, he go by

1195
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: his own pace, I feel like the best thing about

1196
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 2: this game and his pace and his footwork, and Kyrie

1197
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: just the way he dribble and finished and scores the ball.

1198
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: Just just speak on them too, players in general and

1199
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: what you see in that game and just how you

1200
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: can see like you're watching the night in, night out now,

1201
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: so you I know you've seen a bunch of amazing

1202
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 2: things from them.

1203
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: You got. It's special just because they two different players.

1204
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the way they do things, it's just special

1205
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 3: because Luca, look, it don't look like he's quick fast,

1206
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: but you know a lot of times myself shamp God Luca,

1207
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: Guy Marco, we go against him one on one, we

1208
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 3: will be defensively and they be offensive. And man, some

1209
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: of some of the things they can do and places

1210
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: they can get to, like, it's amazing. Like Kyrie is,

1211
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: he's physical offensively.

1212
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: What he brings up, he brings the only the one guy.

1213
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: Heard somebody on TV say he don't post up. I

1214
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: just laughed, Oh that was he was the one that

1215
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: said he doesn't post up. That was crazy. That same

1216
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: night he went post up somebody that was It was crazy.

1217
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 3: It's the craziest thing is lost because because they you

1218
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 3: was considered a small four. Yeah to take you home. Yeah,

1219
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: and he's gonna hit you with his shoulder with his body.

1220
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 3: Watching him every day and then get to see him

1221
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: in games do that same ship. It's amazing, man, Like

1222
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 3: there's no place he can't get. Yeah, with that dribber,

1223
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 3: it is some of the ship man. I ain't got

1224
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: to play against them, but I told him I shut

1225
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: that ship down.

1226
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: Bust some motherfucking moves.

1227
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: He talking about what was your what what was your reaction?

1228
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 3: Live and living color when he did that left hand ship.

1229
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: All right, so I'm the top top. Had you seen

1230
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: that in practice before? Some shit like that. It's the

1231
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: layup game is impeccable.

1232
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous. It's the best. The only ship I've ever

1233
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: seen anybody do. Some of the ship he does. You

1234
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: don't appreciate it like you got Luca. He does crazy

1235
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: trick shots. We'll do it in the game and hit him.

1236
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: Kyrie got this. It left is amazing. Yeah, it's cheating.

1237
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: About a month before that, or maybe a couple of

1238
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: weeks before that, we always do shoot around in the morning,

1239
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: and then we'll do the blue team versus the white team.

1240
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 3: And then when they do it from a corn on

1241
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 3: the corners and you keep scoring, you gotta go to twenty.

1242
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 3: He hit nine in a row, left hand corner threes,

1243
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: nine in a row, left hand corner threes, and he

1244
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: just kept saying, you gotta keep going and got nine

1245
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 3: in a row. So when he did hit that shot

1246
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: and then surprise me, okay, I was happy that didn't

1247
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 3: fuck you up? What about the fucking Luca pump fake

1248
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: from the three point?

1249
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't surprise me, man, y'all don't realize.

1250
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the trick shots he tried every day,

1251
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: like shots, he doing shit off the damn all type

1252
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: of dumb shit, just crazy. But this is the better question,

1253
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 3: because this is what I want to know this, because

1254
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 3: I won't to know if he was like me when

1255
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: he first came. Right, I'm like this, like, ah, you

1256
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 3: know how we wait, hold up and then it's like

1257
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 3: all right, cool, thirty thirty thirty. But now let me

1258
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: turn this shit on and see what the fuck he's doing.

1259
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 3: All right, I'm sitting here watching right, and you know

1260
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 3: how we do right.

1261
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: We ain't trying to let him just go to work.

1262
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: Overseas cat over here talking shit, he demnsters, he looking

1263
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: at people. I'm like, hold on, this ain't no fluck

1264
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: like you know, and I'm like noah, noah.

1265
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: Hell no, hell no.

1266
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 3: I'm like wait a minute. Then I'm now all right,

1267
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 3: fuck him, ain't looking at him?

1268
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: No, more. Who the fuck guarding them? What is you doing?

1269
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: What you want? I'm seeing them. They trying. They man,

1270
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let me tell you this jig is up.

1271
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 3: They trying and they can't do nothing with this motherfucker

1272
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 3: like and he talking shit too.

1273
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this cue.

1274
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 3: I can look at a person and tell if they

1275
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 3: can play or not right away. That's why I always

1276
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 3: like to watch people play or practice. So we're playing

1277
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: a pick up uh this first year, this is voluntary workouts,

1278
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 3: and they get enough guys now they can pay pick

1279
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: up play game.

1280
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I saw.

1281
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 3: I was like, oh it, this motherfucker can play.

1282
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: I said, O.

1283
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: Ship never seen him play, never seen him play. I'm

1284
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 3: not a scout, so I don't ever watch all that.

1285
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: I just wait till they draft him. We give them,

1286
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: they bring him in, bring all right. Oh shit, he's

1287
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 3: not a drill guy until you do competition.

1288
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1289
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 3: Competition sets them off. I say, the only thing we

1290
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: got to work on it's his European walk. I say,

1291
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: other than that, this, what's the European walk?

1292
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: You know? They got a.

1293
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: Live driven split their feet and go.

1294
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: He never thought he walked he'll tell you. I don't.

1295
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1296
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 3: I didn't walk. I used to call it. I used

1297
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 3: to play still at that time. I play pick up

1298
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: with him and I called I say, but I say, no,

1299
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: y'all got y'all got the ball. But I said you walk?

1300
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:52,439
Speaker 3: I said you walk?

1301
01:04:53,240 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: Min why getting preseason ton And then that's the only

1302
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 1: thing I used to say.

1303
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 3: Once he learned how not to travel, which NBA players

1304
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 3: still travel to this day.

1305
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are.

1306
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: I said, boy, he gonna be a He's gonna be

1307
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 3: something special because I saw he was making.

1308
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Passes and he was playing the best thing to us.

1309
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: He's playing with Drin Finney Smith, who could play, who

1310
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: could play and also play defense. He loved to play

1311
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 3: with during man, he just controlled the whole game that

1312
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 3: that whole day.

1313
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we got something special here.

1314
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: You know what he's doing. And we had JB Jaylen Bronson,

1315
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah we got something special here. Yeah j be a dog.

1316
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 3: I didn't know he was as good as he is.

1317
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 3: That kid is fucking special.

1318
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: Bro.

1319
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 3: Like, people don't the thing is special by him because

1320
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 3: people like it's one thing to be good whatever all that,

1321
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: like until you have played in New York City for

1322
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: the New York Knicks. You will never understand what it

1323
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 3: is to put that jersey on the player to watch.

1324
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 1: In the way that he has done it. I'm talking

1325
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: from starting finished. When they came in, they was like,

1326
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: oh what they giving him this contract all.

1327
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Of this stuff, Like, Bro, he didn't outplay that contract

1328
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: times too. He's worth more than that, Max that man,

1329
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: whatever you gotta do. And but the bigger thing is

1330
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: that his makeup, his mental makeup and the way he

1331
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: presents in the way he carries himself. It can't get

1332
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 3: no better for that team, for that city, for that

1333
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 3: organization because it's so much shit come with it. And

1334
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: if you somebody who's not tough, like mentally tough and

1335
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 3: stable like he shows it like, and then it makes sense.

1336
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 3: He got that toughness that thikskin to where he just

1337
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 3: be on wavering. I knew motherfucker was good because he

1338
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 3: in the state tournament high school. He put fifty six

1339
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 3: on my high school. They lost though, Now they when

1340
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 3: you young gave that ass, Now liil ogis going on

1341
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 3: your way. But like right then I was like, fuck

1342
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 3: like this, Rick Brunson sounded like damn. When I seen

1343
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 3: him go over there and like, really do what he's done,

1344
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: and like it ain't even really the the points. Obviously

1345
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 3: the production means something, but it's the way that he's

1346
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 3: navigated everything that.

1347
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't surprise me, not one bit.

1348
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: When I told him he got two Dallas, and I

1349
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 3: know he didn't want to step on anybody's feet from

1350
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 3: whoever we had. I don't know if Dennis, him and

1351
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 3: Dennis was playing together. I don't know if Dennis was

1352
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 3: still there Smith, yeah, but I'm not for sure. But

1353
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: I know Luca was there, and I said, yo, if

1354
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm a scout, first of all, whoever passed up on him,

1355
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: you got to be crazy.

1356
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: This man won two national championship. He knows how to win.

1357
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: He knows how to play.

1358
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: He's been around the game for the longest because his

1359
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: dad been in the NBA. So to talk to him

1360
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: and hear him say he used to play one on

1361
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: one against NBA players, He's learning. He understands the skill work,

1362
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,959
Speaker 3: he understands everything. I'm picking this dude right away because

1363
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: he's a winner. I don't care all that he's not this,

1364
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: he's not there or whatever. He's a winner. I'm picking

1365
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 3: him right off the bat if I'm a scout and

1366
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,439
Speaker 3: I'm a gym or a team, because I know he

1367
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 3: knows and he has a mentality about himself. He understands

1368
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 3: the game, he understands about winning. He's professional. This is

1369
01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 3: not surprising that he's going to New York and done

1370
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,520
Speaker 3: what he's done because I used to tell him, yo, lead,

1371
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: don't be scared of He's like, I don't want to

1372
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 3: step one, No lead because you can play. Because one

1373
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 3: you're gonna show him you can play. You lead by

1374
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: example already, and then you got to be vocal sometimes

1375
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 3: with guys. You gotta tell guys, hey, man, what the

1376
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: fuck you doing? Come on man?

1377
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: Guard to do?

1378
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: You take the shot? And you know you got to

1379
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 3: tell guys that sometimes. But he didn't want to step

1380
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 3: on anybody's feet. But he did it the right way.

1381
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: I knew he was gone. When we play Utah Game two,

1382
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: we got beat game one, Game two, we still don't

1383
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 3: have Luca for the next three to two games. Three games.

1384
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 3: First three games. Game two he scored was at forty

1385
01:08:59,400 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 3: forty five.

1386
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: He gone.

1387
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: Nick's all there, they was there for that game. Wes

1388
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 3: It's death Allan Houston is there.

1389
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, damn already got Damn. The whole players

1390
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: think Julius was Jesus Death.

1391
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: You know Jesus when I played Jesus to sit on

1392
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,959
Speaker 3: the front road with its aa us uh coach seats

1393
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 3: right across the bench from us. He's always sit over there,

1394
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 3: So Julius I saw Jesus. I was like, oh boy,

1395
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 3: they bringing everybody. Yeah quickly, like Jay kids said, we

1396
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 3: might lose him. We might lose him because he played.

1397
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 3: He's playing so well and you understand that. So for

1398
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 3: him what he's done now, it doesn't surprise me. And

1399
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 3: he's going to continue to get better and better. And

1400
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm a fan, so.

1401
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't.

1402
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 3: You can't but help to be a fan because he

1403
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 3: doesn't say a lot. He just plays the game. And

1404
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 3: it shows when he got interviewed after the game and

1405
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: they yelling and his name and he just he kind

1406
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 3: of broke down the first All Star. It just showed

1407
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 3: because he loves the game. He loves to play the game.

1408
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: And you you cheerful guys, you root for dudes like

1409
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry to say, you're really root for guys like that,

1410
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 3: and you know we miss him and we love him, man,

1411
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 3: and I still appreciate the stuff that he's still doing

1412
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 3: even up in New York, because he.

1413
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: Plays the right way. You know.

1414
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 3: For us, now we got Kyrie, and Kyrie has done

1415
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: a hell of a job.

1416
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1417
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: You hear so much things on the outside, and it's

1418
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: like he's totally been, totally different. He's been a guy

1419
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: who come in and one thing he doesn't get credit

1420
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 3: for is like being a great teammate.

1421
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: He is a hell of a teammate and he doesn't

1422
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 1: get credit for that.

1423
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 3: I never forget hearing Maxie Cleeve Orange said last year

1424
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 3: when we played the Lakers and he was close game

1425
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 3: and he was trapping. Kyrie hit Maxie for three to

1426
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 3: win it at the buzzer and after the game, Maxali

1427
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 3: did an interview with Maxi said, Man, Kyrie said, that's

1428
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: redemped because the night before or two nights before, they

1429
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: was in San Antonio and Maxi had a little mishap.

1430
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,760
Speaker 3: We he just threw the ball and they stole the ball.

1431
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 3: But we end up still winning the game at the

1432
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 3: end of the game. But he came back hit MAXI

1433
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 3: trust Maxi. Maxi hit and the first thing Maxie said was, man,

1434
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: Kyrie is a hell of a great teammate, and that's

1435
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: what you want to hear God say, because people put

1436
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 3: so much things on him that if you'll be around

1437
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 3: him every day and in practice, you'll be like, man,

1438
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: what the hell are these folks talking about? But everybody

1439
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 3: doesn't have a good personality. Everybody don't know how to

1440
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: talk to people. So you know, everybody don't know how

1441
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 3: to handle a professional athlete.

1442
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: You know, for him, you know he does it the

1443
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: right way. He's he's been like.

1444
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 3: A spirit for us, smiling, he's always on time. We

1445
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 3: always heard that was a negative about him, but he's

1446
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 3: been on time, he's practiced, he's done everything. His energy

1447
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: has just been unbelievable. And that's why he's playing the

1448
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 3: way he's playing.

1449
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: Like Mark Cuban baums some new needs because he's been

1450
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: getting thirty l cat Live making the movie. Yeah, that

1451
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: boy that live.

1452
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,840
Speaker 3: That's when you know, though, that's good in a good place, though,

1453
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: that boy out there catching dunking all that. You know,

1454
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: shout out to Nico and everybody who's done with the trade.

1455
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 3: That probably was one of the best trades that we

1456
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 3: had in a long time to.

1457
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 1: Bring over Dan and p J. Uh.

1458
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and that those two guys who really helped

1459
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 3: our team. And then you know, the other trade that

1460
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 3: we had and we went to when the championship was

1461
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 3: when we made the trade to in twenty eleven to

1462
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 3: bring uh Karan Butler to Shane Stevens who ended up

1463
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 3: being a starter and then Uh for us that year

1464
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 3: and we end up winning Brandon Haywood as well from Washington.

1465
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: We end up winning the championship that year.

1466
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 3: So you know, these trades can be big, and that

1467
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 3: that trade for that was definitely big because PJ and

1468
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: Dan really has done a great job of matching in

1469
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 3: and just playing well for they.

1470
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: Well with that team. What the hell happened?

1471
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 3: And gotten into Dante exam He came back out of

1472
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 3: nowhere and just got like cold, like he couldn't shoot

1473
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 3: when he was first year and now all he's doing

1474
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 3: is shooting people's fucking face up.

1475
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: Like what's going on with him?

1476
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 3: I like the way he done came back and like

1477
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: just found his grooves and found this niche well, one

1478
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 3: of his old assistant coach Alex, really works well with him.

1479
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: And then me and I call us this.

1480
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 3: Young lady, her name is Shannon, but Shannon me and

1481
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 3: Shannon takes him out to shoot around.

1482
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: And I took him out.

1483
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 3: The practice one day and I watched him one night

1484
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 3: and you can just tell he wasn't comfortable and shooting,

1485
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 3: and so I say, you know, we're gonna work on

1486
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 3: and when I work on stuff like sham myself, swingy.

1487
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 3: We got a little pot that we work and we

1488
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 3: work certain guys out. But when we work out or

1489
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: I'll work out somebody, I'm not doing shit that you

1490
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 3: don't do in games. I try to work out shots

1491
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 3: about out of our offense, shots that you're gonna get

1492
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: in games. You know, shots that you're gonna do coming

1493
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 3: out of the offense. So I went back and looked

1494
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 3: at a couple of his shots that he missed, and

1495
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 3: it was kind of it's crazy because he was kind

1496
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: of nervous or he just didn't feel right catching the

1497
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 3: ball again. So I tell you, look and Shannon, she's

1498
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 3: the one who's making a pass. And I'm doing beat

1499
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 3: the pro. I do it to ten. Only got five

1500
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 3: shots missed, and we still do it too in the

1501
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 3: morning after shoot around the road and at home. We've

1502
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 3: been doing it for now since it took since we

1503
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 3: took did it start doing it. We've been doing it

1504
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 3: for like almost three months. So we started doing this

1505
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 3: one where he pulled behind. When Luca come off, he

1506
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 3: pulls behind. Were big on pulling behind the guy who's

1507
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: coming off the pick and roll, but Shannon's gonna get him.

1508
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: Luca passes.

1509
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm big on working on footwork with especial

1510
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 3: PJ as well. We started doing it and he started beating.

1511
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,679
Speaker 3: He started beating the pros. But I told him, I said,

1512
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,679
Speaker 3: catch it. Take your time. I said, what they're doing

1513
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 3: they looking for you to drive, so they're not gonna

1514
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: close out to you all the way.

1515
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: Take your time, man.

1516
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 3: I think he went ten for eighteen the next eighteen threes,

1517
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 3: and the one that was beautiful.

1518
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: Was the Laker game. We was at home and we're

1519
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: playing Big Gag. It's Laker. He went six for seven,

1520
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: especially in the fourth quarter they was leaving.

1521
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 3: He was here, and I remember that I was when

1522
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,760
Speaker 3: I was first like what is going on? Like he

1523
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: used to cult and I knew he couldn't shoot for me.

1524
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 3: I don't try to mess with guys. Some coaches try

1525
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: to mess.

1526
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: With hand for them.

1527
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: No got a good shot. Let's work on your footwork

1528
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 3: and then let's take your time. Like PJ got a

1529
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: good shot, PJ say here and Charlotte, they teach him

1530
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 3: how to just use the one leg and catch. What

1531
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 3: I teach is the one too, even in the ball

1532
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 3: coming one two rhythm. That's a better feel for me,

1533
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 3: and I think that's a better feel for a shooter.

1534
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: So with him, the same thing, Man, he stayed with it.

1535
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 3: He'll wait for me, we do Dereck Jones in the morning,

1536
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 3: PJ first and then Dante.

1537
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 1: They'll wait, get their turn, get their shots in.

1538
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 3: But he's mentally locked into what he needs to do

1539
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 3: and how he need to do. He takes his time,

1540
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 3: and they've been just shooting them both so much better.

1541
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: Man.

1542
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: I'm happy for him because he, as you say, he's

1543
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 3: not known for as being a three point shooter. You know,

1544
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 3: shout out to our coach Alex who worked with him, myself, Shannon,

1545
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 3: we got some confidence in it.

1546
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 1: And I'm happy for him because, I mean, you're happy.

1547
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 3: For a person who's not known to hit shots or

1548
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 3: three and he's been shooting ship out of the life.

1549
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: You've been playing good man's for y'all. Ben been been crazy.

1550
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: He came in and then you know, he had this

1551
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: hype and then when he got here he kind of

1552
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 2: went wrong.

1553
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: But to see him get back, yes, that's what I see.

1554
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 2: That you're you're actually a solid player in this league,

1555
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 2: and you can play in this league.

1556
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, it's big. The team depends on you. That's

1557
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 3: that's the crazy. Even when I saw him play in Utah.

1558
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 3: When he played there, I was like, man, man, he

1559
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: can't play, I mean, or he's scarce, he's scared to shoot,

1560
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 3: you know, playing for the drive. I think probably also

1561
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 3: going him going overseas helped him, helped him out good time.

1562
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 3: And then when he came back, he came back with

1563
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 3: a company because he can get places too.

1564
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: He can get down here.

1565
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got the hoot float or he got his

1566
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 3: little touch shot on his layup. He's got a nice

1567
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 3: little layup game. But for him to now add that

1568
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 3: that shot, I mean, it's it's confidence. It's just sore

1569
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 3: all through the year and it's still going up right there.

1570
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 3: We need everything that we can get and we got Yeah,

1571
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 3: we need everybody, and we got a good team. And

1572
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: you know last year doing this, doing the All Star break,

1573
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: right before the All Star break, we had the trade

1574
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 3: and we didn't play well when we came back and

1575
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 3: everybody was wondering, can Kai and Luca play together? Well,

1576
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 3: now we got him a full year and we had

1577
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 3: them where we can take time and work with them together.

1578
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 3: And look what we're doing. So you know, that talking

1579
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 3: went down real quick. All the players say the right stuff,

1580
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 3: They all talk in the same way. They all like

1581
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 3: each other, all bought in that. And that's the thing

1582
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,600
Speaker 3: you can't fake. When you listen and you see it

1583
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 3: and you watch it consistently, you know it ain't no fluke.

1584
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 1: No, there's no fluke.

1585
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: And like when Ja kid got here with the team

1586
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 3: and the first year we gets to the Eastern Conference finals,

1587
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 3: I mean Western Conference finals, and nobody gave us a

1588
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 3: chance to even get there. But a coach, somehow someway

1589
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 3: can make these guys not only talk to each other,

1590
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 3: but like each other, enjoyed playing with each other. And

1591
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 3: that's what Jay did for our team that first year.

1592
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 3: Something he does is and I love it that he

1593
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: makes the guys talk. He asks him questions he wants

1594
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,480
Speaker 3: to hear from him. When he goes in at halftime,

1595
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 3: what we got and then they might start talking.

1596
01:18:59,160 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: You don't.

1597
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 3: You don't find it a lot sometimes a lot of times.

1598
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 3: That's one thing you see a lot with coaches. I

1599
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 3: just I don't know was it Philly or Chicago. A

1600
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 3: lot of times you'll see like Doc, even Doc. Sometimes

1601
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 3: Doc say you're something real quick in the He'll get

1602
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 3: out of the huddle and let the guys either sit there,

1603
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 3: talk whatever, because a lot of times you got a

1604
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 3: lot of shit going through your head. You know, you

1605
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 3: you don't know what's going on with players because they

1606
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 3: might be thinking about the play. Even though they're looking

1607
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 3: at the play being drawn up, they might be still

1608
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,360
Speaker 3: thinking about the play that just happened just minute ago.

1609
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 3: And so you got a lot of stuff and it

1610
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 3: just you know, to let guys talk and get it

1611
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 3: off the head or communicate, that's something that's great. That's

1612
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: one thing I love what Jay does with our guys.

1613
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: And you know, because at the end of the day,

1614
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: you want your guys to communicate because you're gonna need

1615
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 3: times when you know, and you know you've been on

1616
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 3: the floor before where you can't hear what the coach

1617
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 3: is saying. You can't be looking back and seeing with

1618
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 3: the coach. Now, I gotta listen for your call, or

1619
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 3: you'll talk or yo, D get over stream.

1620
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: Switch.

1621
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 3: You know, you got to you got to hear those

1622
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: things and you got to talk those things out because

1623
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 3: a lot of times you see when teams don't talk

1624
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 3: or communicate. Well, you see guys, two guys on the

1625
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,680
Speaker 3: ball when it comes to a d H O, you're

1626
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 3: supposed to switch. These two go with the ball. Now

1627
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 3: this guy's wide or you know, these two don't talk

1628
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 3: and this guy's you know, sneaks and get get a

1629
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 3: lay up because two guys go with the other guys

1630
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 3: and they're not talking. So a lot of times that's

1631
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 3: what Jay Kidd has done so well because you can

1632
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 3: see teams that likes to play with each other and

1633
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 3: likes to play for each other, and you can see teams.

1634
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: That just don't give a damn yeah, and it happens.

1635
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,680
Speaker 1: It's just part of the game. It's something in the

1636
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 1: earth is going on.

1637
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 2: Ye Like, I might still be winning some games, but

1638
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 2: it's a little something over there that a little chinking

1639
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 2: y'all own over there.

1640
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 3: Yes, y'all been part of some of that. Sometimes, I'm

1641
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 3: for sure it happens to every team. So some teams

1642
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 3: know how to get out of it and some teams don't.

1643
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 3: Real talk, we'll talk.

1644
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 2: If you had to pick out of your whole NBA

1645
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: career and all the teams you play for, all the

1646
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: teammates you done had, if you had to pick four

1647
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: other players us to make you an ultimate five, who

1648
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: would beat them?

1649
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: Four other players? Who you you the one? Who you

1650
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: the one? And who would you feel you put myself

1651
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: at one? No? You're the one? You got. No, I'm

1652
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: the coach. We got coach, I'm six man. Can I

1653
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: be the six man?

1654
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 3: No?

1655
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: You got? We gotta be the one, cause we asked

1656
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: everybody this.

1657
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 2: You got to build your team off your teammates, your

1658
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:25,839
Speaker 2: all time teammates.

1659
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: But you said so, I don't have to be on that.

1660
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: I can build my team. You gotta be. I gotta

1661
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: be on this. You gotta be the one. I'm the

1662
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: five man you throw your six man is the other

1663
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: guy you're talking about?

1664
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we know shock, he got some shock.

1665
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: I'm definitely got where you're gonna go. You got.

1666
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:55,599
Speaker 3: I'm going I'm going shock and this I'm saying my teammates. Yeah,

1667
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,599
Speaker 3: look at now, you can't team shocked.

1668
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: Real fuck, I'm going uh, Dirt Dirk at the four,

1669
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: Herdy Dirt.

1670
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 3: You can go either way. I'm gonna go with these

1671
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 3: two right here. T Matt at the three. Hold on,

1672
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, change changing hello, hold on, let

1673
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 3: me change up, change up.

1674
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm going shot.

1675
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 3: Shut his center. Okay, I'm gonna go with Dirt Dirk

1676
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 3: at the four. I'm going with because I know he

1677
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 3: could go it. I'm going with Ben Wallace at the three.

1678
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna put Ben Wallace at the three.

1679
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 3: Being at the three. I'm going defense. I got the

1680
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 3: scores right there. I gotta put somebody in the play defense.

1681
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 3: You're gonna put Being at the four and put Dirt

1682
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: at the three.

1683
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Ben at the three because Being can move. There.

1684
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 3: Can't move Ben. You ain't seen Dirt walking lately, so

1685
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:58,640
Speaker 3: under six eight, but it can guard. Then I'm gonna go, mmm.

1686
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: Two. You gotta be mad. He was a two way killer.

1687
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 3: He played Let's d n Orlando, but he played but

1688
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 3: he knows how to play d Yeah, you know he

1689
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 3: was locking it up.

1690
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: That That's why I say I don't want to be

1691
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, I don't want to it because I

1692
01:23:20,040 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: got I wanted to. I want to pity at my point, bring.

1693
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 2: One of them off the missing you a six man,

1694
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: but you gotta be the start and starting play.

1695
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm a file right away. That way he can come

1696
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: in the game and go back. That's cool. And then

1697
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: definitely Mac at the two, Mac at the two, and

1698
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 1: you'll have Penny six as.

1699
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 3: My six man. That's I'm a file early, real quick.

1700
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 3: That way you can come in and play replace. I

1701
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 3: want to play only ten seconds and then after that

1702
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 3: I played come off the bench.

1703
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: But now that'll be my that's a good ultimate five,

1704
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 2: my five. Everybody that's crazy.

1705
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: That's a fire. You gotta you gotta go.

1706
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 3: I gotta go with Shaq I because I mean that's

1707
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 3: like I said, you said teammates, So I gotta go

1708
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 3: with Shock.

1709
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:05,720
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a.

1710
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: Ben with a penny coming off the bench. That's that's

1711
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 2: probably one of my best good was out there.

1712
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I got winners. This is what I want

1713
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,200
Speaker 3: to know. I know my man mac Man, Bernie mcal

1714
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 3: he is gonna give me some good. You got signed

1715
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: he signed that twenty You know that was a nice

1716
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: little pieces. You know where we come from. That's something

1717
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 3: nice and decent. I ain't talking about bad mom duke.

1718
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 3: So nobody a house. No, I don't hear about that.

1719
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 3: We all did that. We know you took care of

1720
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 3: mom and the family. There what DA did for himself

1721
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 3: when you got through take care of this that when

1722
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: you said, I like, shit, I gotta do something makes

1723
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 3: me feel good?

1724
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: What what? Where did you go get this? The money question?

1725
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: What you gonna get? Did? You?

1726
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 3: Probably look at now you're like that was through this hell?

1727
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: But when I did, I was the ship and I

1728
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 3: felt good about it.

1729
01:24:55,160 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: First of all, I bought my mom house. You're right.

1730
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,960
Speaker 1: He got still in the house right down the street,

1731
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: so you're right.

1732
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:05,639
Speaker 3: But I bought myself a house, and my ex wife,

1733
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 3: my kids.

1734
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: I bought us a house. I used to see this house.

1735
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 3: As soon as I knew I was getting a check,

1736
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,080
Speaker 3: I went drove straight to the Palma Vista. Okay, rolled

1737
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,719
Speaker 3: in there, boom, went up there, saw the house. Came

1738
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 3: back to the saleshouse. I was like, Yo, how can

1739
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 3: I get this off the market? It's like, you just

1740
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: write us a check for five thousand. It's off the

1741
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 3: market because I said I'm pay for it tomorrow.

1742
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: My buyers say, write a check. It's off the market.

1743
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: Roll a check. Damn.

1744
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 3: Same day, when I got a U haul and went

1745
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 3: around looking for furniture, I already knew because I I

1746
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 3: walked in there and saw the house, I knew. Whatever

1747
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 3: I went looked for a bedroom, couch, everything.

1748
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 1: Moved, it moved, No lot moved, it moved.

1749
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 2: The shit in myself, I ain't never heard nobody go

1750
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: furniture shopping and going buy a U Hall.

1751
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 1: You wanted it right then and now you didn't want

1752
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: to wait for them to deliver it, and yourself, you

1753
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: don't need no guy, damn. And nobody decorated.

1754
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 3: Y'all need something decorated. God, damn, let my man's know.

1755
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 3: He don't he don't call.

1756
01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm on call.

1757
01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 3: I was first when I walked in there. The first

1758
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 3: thing I actually, I said, where's your warehouse? Because like,

1759
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 3: you need to get it now?

1760
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1761
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: Now for real, I was on business.

1762
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: You don't drop.

1763
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 3: I went to the rooms to God, was in Tampa,

1764
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 3: not too far with just about it. Second, yeah, but

1765
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 3: then I went to Roads Furniture. I went to a

1766
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 3: lot of these furniture stores that got him right there.

1767
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 3: You can just take them off ship moving that scarred up.

1768
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: Them and everything, but it got in there. That was definite.

1769
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: Just me.

1770
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,640
Speaker 3: How that felt though the building, Like you said, you

1771
01:26:57,680 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 3: went and did it right now? You said, how much

1772
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 3: is I'm taking this shit off them back? Like how

1773
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 3: that felt to be able to do that? I felt good?

1774
01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know for me, because I mean I

1775
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 3: didn't I didn't play at D one school.

1776
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah, the long road too.

1777
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 3: I was at a small division two Black college and

1778
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 3: stayed up the road. I just did it. I mean

1779
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: I did it different. You know, five years to get

1780
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,600
Speaker 3: in the NBA. So once once you get rewarded for

1781
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 3: that hard work, like you say, you're supposed to take

1782
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 3: care of yourself. You supposed to reward yourself because you're

1783
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 3: gonna reward your wife or your lady or your kids.

1784
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: You always I'm.

1785
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 3: Always gonna reward people who who you know, my mom,

1786
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 3: my mother in law, you know, I bought them a house.

1787
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna reward other people who's been in my life.

1788
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: So for me, a lot of times, I don't even

1789
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 3: think about myself. Like that's why people it's crazy. People

1790
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 3: people don't realize like they you know, I got Boatswagen Beatles.

1791
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 3: I love Boatswagen Beatles. I don't have nine of them.

1792
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 3: The first one I ever had was in Orlando. I

1793
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: restored it. So people seeing me with Boatswagon b they'll

1794
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 3: be thinking, man, what's going on with you? I love

1795
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 3: Okswagen beatles. About to get one wrapped? Now, what color

1796
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 3: is the one you got?

1797
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: Right now? What color is the one you want to get? Blue?

1798
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 3: It's about to get wrapped in white, pearl white. Okay,

1799
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 3: So that's that's that's your whip of choice.

1800
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: That's that's what I like. Fun cards.

1801
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: I used to always, you know, I buy my wife

1802
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 3: to Bentley or you know, Mercedes. I don't bought Mercedes

1803
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 3: over there, And in a month solder right back to them.

1804
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,559
Speaker 3: The one car I did like was the Jaguars. I

1805
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 3: like those, but I was just simple. I had Pete Cruises.

1806
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 3: When I played that man, I had everything that man had.

1807
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: The pet It.

1808
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,679
Speaker 3: Looks like an old model style, like a Hot Wheels card,

1809
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 3: and I like old ship, old style. Right now, I

1810
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 3: got an SSR Chevy. It's a hard top convertible. It

1811
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: looked like an old batmobile. It's a hard top. You

1812
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: got it wrapped in two thousand and four, the first

1813
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: time ever came out.

1814
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 1: They don't make them no more.

1815
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 3: So they came out like in two thousand, played in

1816
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 3: New Orleans the first time. I got it, and I

1817
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 3: love him. I said, man, you know, I'm gonna get

1818
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 3: me another one of those like the Beatles, And yeah,

1819
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a simple, old school type cat, and I'm

1820
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 3: wanna put some shoes and socks on.

1821
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: You already know that the shoes.

1822
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 2: How was it for you to get inducted to the

1823
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 2: Orlando Magic Hall of Fame?

1824
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 1: It was. It was great city, beautiful, show some love. Great.

1825
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Orlando was great because, uh for me my first

1826
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 3: two years. And I gotta tell I tell people, I

1827
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,879
Speaker 3: tell players you don't understand.

1828
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: Like I got a tape.

1829
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,920
Speaker 3: Right now that we played Kobe and Derek Fisher the

1830
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 3: Lakers on Martin Luther King up in l A. And

1831
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 3: I said, y'all wouldn't even know. Kobe came off the

1832
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 3: bench that year. Kobe wasn't even the starter. Now, they

1833
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 3: got five championship together, but they didn't come in starting.

1834
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: They had to work their way. They had to trade

1835
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: Eddie Jones to get Kobe at starting. Know Nick bet

1836
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 3: Answer and all them. So for me, I had to

1837
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 3: work my first two years, I had to work. My

1838
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 3: garbage minutes was my my playing time minutes. So when

1839
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 3: shock them used to blow out guys, the teams, and

1840
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: we'll have five or seven minutes.

1841
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I can get out there and play well.

1842
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 3: Teams sometimes, Yeah, guys used to get mad because but

1843
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 3: I'm playing my minutes.

1844
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:20,040
Speaker 1: You know, that's my that's my minutes. I got to

1845
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: play my minutes. I didn't care. I don't care. I'm

1846
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: trying to live.

1847
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 3: I'm trying the script club the night before, come out

1848
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:28,759
Speaker 3: here playing like this tonight.

1849
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have.

1850
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 3: Been throwing that money. You should have been there getting

1851
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 3: your rest. You know what I'm saying. So I was

1852
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 3: playing my minutes, and that's how I looked at it.

1853
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 3: I had to play my minutes, and then my other

1854
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 3: minutes was in practice. You know, I never forget. Brian

1855
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 3: Shaw used to say, man, you know how vets are. Yeah, man,

1856
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 3: I ain't want to come in practice, man, but here

1857
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 3: we is. We got the task minion devil over here

1858
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 3: picking up full court in practice because that's my minutes.

1859
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 1: I had to. It's like a hustle when you when

1860
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you're not playing. It's a hustle.

1861
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 3: I'll be ready to fight them and practice double cauld.

1862
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 3: You imagine you come to practice, you're a starter. Daryl

1863
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 3: Armstrong and bow Outlaw.

1864
01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: That's all the two names. You gotta say. That's all

1865
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: the two.

1866
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 3: That's the that's two of the most energy motherfuckers you

1867
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 3: ever had to play against your life. But when we

1868
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 3: first came to leave, we playing in the Law the

1869
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 3: Long Beach Summer League. This was like after our first year.

1870
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,719
Speaker 3: We didn't play out first year bow out Law captain.

1871
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 3: He'd have made the whole free agent team. Bolo play

1872
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 3: all five positions, to some believe, full court, pressing the

1873
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: ball by himself, by himself, nobody else at press.

1874
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: So he owned the ball. He first pressed, you throw

1875
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 1: it to you running him. Hey, Hey, we used to

1876
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: trap the guard.

1877
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 3: And by the time he threw it to it both

1878
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,799
Speaker 3: man Bo would get at half court and be cutting

1879
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 3: off his man right back and both It was a

1880
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 3: goddamn he was an animal on defense. We even when

1881
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,240
Speaker 3: we played for Chuck Date, I never forget. We had

1882
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 3: a lunch and Chuck Day said man. He said, Man,

1883
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 3: I love this second unit. He said, I don't even

1884
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 3: know how we did it, he said, but we gotta press.

1885
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,160
Speaker 3: We got a pressing that we didn't even put in.

1886
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 3: Put gonna do it. Both did it. And then I

1887
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 3: would tell you the funniest ship was Bo got traded

1888
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 3: to Phoenix. I know, so I never forget we was

1889
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 3: playing Phoenix at home in Orlando. So I'm just standing

1890
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 3: waiting come out of herd.

1891
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm standing waiting. All of a sudden, I see Stefan Marbury.

1892
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: He don't never do this.

1893
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 3: Stefan Marburry runs straight and face me to the baseline.

1894
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is going on? Well,

1895
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,040
Speaker 1: he's facing me. Say look back, hey, come Bo, I

1896
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,439
Speaker 1: look back. Both standing that up.

1897
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I said, So that's how you're gonna do me.

1898
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: Now, okay, hey, don't bring up the ball. You ring

1899
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 1: up the ball. But yeah, both bothe both could do it.

1900
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 3: Man, So you know, shout out to bou Outlaw and

1901
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 3: his one man press and.

1902
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: The nicest guy in the world.

1903
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 3: I still got the most energy in history on the sidelines.

1904
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: He could talk your head off. He could talk one

1905
01:32:59,000 --> 01:32:59,679
Speaker 1: thing I knew.

1906
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,800
Speaker 3: If he had my back on the floor, I can

1907
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 3: hear everything from him. But that's why I said when

1908
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 3: we had him and Bo out Ben Wallace. Man, that's

1909
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 3: that's crazy too as well. But Ben didn't do as

1910
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 3: much as Bo. But man, I have those two guys. Man,

1911
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 3: that ball go go in, that basket go up, and

1912
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: that ball's coming out. I used to they used to

1913
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,240
Speaker 3: tell me, Da on the break, if your man is

1914
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 3: coming down the floor, don't file them, run past them,

1915
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 3: just run.

1916
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: In front of him. They about to come clean.

1917
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 3: And I circle around and I run past, and then

1918
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 3: I circle around and be.

1919
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,000
Speaker 1: Like this because they block it and get it back

1920
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 1: to you. Hear that sound what you thinking about Orlando

1921
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 1: retiring shack jersey? This shit? I love it. Let's say first,

1922
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: I love to ever get a jersey. Retire bigot off.

1923
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 3: I think I think teams need to retire guys jerseys definitely.

1924
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, Orlando has such a short history, Like you know,

1925
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 2: they just came in in ninety ninety one.

1926
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 3: Shot took him to with Penny, took him to a

1927
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 3: championship and had a chance to win a championship. Same

1928
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 3: thing with the White, Same thing with Jamir, and Jamil

1929
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 3: got hurt. The other guys stepped in, but the White

1930
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,560
Speaker 3: got him to a championship, not not being able to

1931
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 3: win it. But I think you reward guys for they

1932
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,120
Speaker 3: they hard work. Secial guys who's been there.

1933
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: And the stand. Do you think Penny should get his

1934
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 1: jersey retires. Yeah, that's that's easy.

1935
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Matt Yeah, all of them, all of them,

1936
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 3: that's easy, all of them because I mean they meant

1937
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 3: so much to.

1938
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: The city.

1939
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 3: Go in there too, though, Nick the Hea the all

1940
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 3: time magic definitely Nick, because I mean you just think

1941
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 3: about this is an every night thing that you get

1942
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:49,160
Speaker 3: to see good basketball. Every franchise don't get every fans

1943
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 3: don't get to see good basketball.

1944
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: Say that, d n B.

1945
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 3: That then we just getting back to that right now, Orlando,

1946
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,240
Speaker 3: Now you get they get basketball good basketball again. I

1947
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 3: think that's what that's a reward to players, even though

1948
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 3: you give them money. You're paying money to them. But shit,

1949
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 3: some plaus they'll shut it down if you give money,

1950
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So at the end of

1951
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 3: the day, yeah, we all don't see. At the end

1952
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 3: of the day, those guys not only played well for you,

1953
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 3: but they gave you a chance to win a championship,

1954
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 3: something that a franchise need. Every s franchise hasn't been

1955
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 3: to the NBA Championship. You know, think about that. Yeah,

1956
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm happy for Shaq, like he's gonna open the door

1957
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,560
Speaker 3: for her. A lot of guys like I definitely, like

1958
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 3: you said, Nick deserves to get that. Yeah a Jersey

1959
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,080
Speaker 3: retired Penny, those are.

1960
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Speaker 1: They go.

1961
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Speaker 3: Those guys first team, you know, all all Stars. Jamiro

1962
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 3: will get his one day too as well. So you know,

1963
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 3: like I said, I'm just happy for all those guys.

1964
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 3: And for me, I was happy that I ain't gonna lie.

1965
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 3: I was waiting on the call because you know, I

1966
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,040
Speaker 3: played on the I played on the team that nobody

1967
01:35:58,080 --> 01:35:58,840
Speaker 3: gave us a chance.

1968
01:35:59,160 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, hard we packed.

1969
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 3: We packed the stands in because of hard we played.

1970
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 3: So for me, when I got that call, it was magical.

1971
01:36:07,800 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna lie. I was waiting on allene call.

1972
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you. And

1973
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 3: when I got that call, out the practicing and they

1974
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 3: just excited me. I got tears in my eyes. I

1975
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 3: was just excited because I worked so hard for two

1976
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 3: years just to get the opportunity to go out there

1977
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 3: and play, and the next seven years it was magical

1978
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 3: for me.

1979
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 1: Now that's a rap man. We gotta out here with

1980
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:34,639
Speaker 1: the legendary y'all. O G. Triple O G. Mister coffee

1981
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:35,720
Speaker 1: and too Hershey.

1982
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Speaker 3: Kisses in the field and all field now, mister d

1983
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 3: A Darryl Armstrong.

1984
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you O G. Pulling up on us.

1985
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Speaker 3: Man.

1986
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Speaker 1: We've been wanting to get this in. This was love, yes, sir,

1987
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Speaker 1: appreciate y'all fellas. All right.

1988
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1989
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