1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Matt Holliday and Lance Lynn. And quick 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: reminder before we get into it that if you like 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory, go ahead and hit the subscribe button. See 5 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: they told us get to five thousand. We did that, 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: blue past it. Now they want us to get to 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: seven thousand. So pleased, if you don't mind, go ahead 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: and hit the subscribe button. Now, Matt, we had don 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: Lance and I an emergency edition of Cardinal Territory to 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: discuss the Donovan trade just to recap okay, Donovan goes 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: to Seattle three way deal with Seattle and Tampa. The 12 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: Cards get a couple of prospects from Seattle top one 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: hundred prospect pitcher Jerangelo Sanja, a former first round pick, 14 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: also Typete outfielder and former first round pick, and another 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: prospect and two count picks from Tampa, all for Brendan Donovan. 16 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: So that just when you heard the trade and you 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: found out the pieces involved, what was your reaction? 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think the it looks like a pretty good 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: haul to me. I mean I think he got, you know, 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: three first round picks and two comp picks. So basically, 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: you know, I think I've seen the switch pitcher. Uh, 22 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: he's Jackson's age. I've actually seen him, uh, you know 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: out on the tour of summer tour of I remember 24 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: the first time I saw him, and I was pretty 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: amazed to the fact that he could he could throw 26 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: that hard from both sides. 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: So essentially you could act like you got two players. 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: He could be two pictures that they got for him. 29 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: So that'll be interesting. 30 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: I think for fans to follow a guy that that obviously, Uh, 31 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: I think he throws harder right handed, if i'm if 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: I'm I remember correctly, I think he's more in the 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: mid nineties right handed and and low nineties left handed. 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: I could be wrong. I don't know much about ty Pete. 35 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: I know he's a good athlete or the other kid. Look, 36 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 2: it's it's uh, you're trying to get the most you can, Donovan. 37 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: Uh. 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: You know, I think you know five essentially five players, 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: so we'll just see what they turned into. 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 4: Uh. 41 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: You know, I think this is we talk about like 42 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: a guy like Loon Soto trade with the Nationals. You know, 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 2: they got a bunch of guys from the Padres in 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: that deal, and some have worked out really really well. 45 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: I mean they got James Wood and and uh I. 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 4: Think C J. 47 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: Abrams and that deal. 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: So this is one of those trades that you'll probably 49 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 2: know more about it in two years, two years from now, 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: of whether it turns out to be a good deal. 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: But I'm interested to see kind of moving forward or uh, 52 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: now that the payroll is is under one hundred and uh, 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: you know what what is the plan? I mean, I 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: I clearly is a rebuild. Are they gonna trade Jojo? 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna talk about that another guy making 56 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: a couple of million bucks. You start talking about a 57 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: payroll on the bottom half of the league. So you're 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: building up the minor league system. I guess the prospects 59 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: and and younger players that are you know, kind of 60 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 2: major league ready with a couple of the pictures from 61 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: the Red Sox. So all in all, it looks like, 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: you know, you bring the payroll down. Now you know 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: what's the plan moving forward? You know, are you are 64 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: you going to wait a year or two to jump 65 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: back into the free agent market? Where where where is 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: the the revenue or where is the money gonna go? 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: Or or how how do you plan on getting the 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: seed back to World Series caliber team? Because right now, 69 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: when you look at it, you keep trading your best players, 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: you're not gonna compete, and you know it is for 71 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: a playoff spot. I know that Kyle Gibson somehow thinks 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: that even though they keep trading all their best players, 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: that there's a there's a path to the World Series. 74 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 3: I don't see it. And I appreciate Kyle's. 75 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: You know, his his optimism, and I appreciate Lance telling 76 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: the truth. Uh so, I I I'm much interested to 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: see where it goes. Like I said, I mean, obviously 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: we're covering the Cardinals. We played for the Cardinals, We 79 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: love the Cardinals. But right now, like I you know, 80 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: I looked up the payroll, you're gonna be under under 81 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: a hundred million, and I don't remember the last time 82 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: they were under one hundred million for the payroll, and 83 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: a good portion of that payroll is being paid to 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: players on other teams. And then you don't have anybody 85 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: under contract past twenty twenty six. I believe, I think 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: they have no guarantees on any contracts past twenty six. 87 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: For a organization like the Cardinals did not have any 88 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: commitment past twenty six paarall under one hundred million, which 89 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: is gonna go drastically down next year, you know, based 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: on you know, some of the guys coming off the books. 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: What is the next step? And that's to me is 92 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 2: is interesting. 93 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: So as for Sandja, heim Blum did say that they 94 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: haven't decided what was Seattle Lee were saying he's better 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: right handed, he does throw better or harder as a 96 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: right hander. Lance kind of laid out, I thought, in 97 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: interesting detail, it's hard enough to be a picture instead 98 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: of being a two way picture. So we'll see how 99 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: that shakes out. But Lance, you have said all along 100 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: that this was a rebuild, a tear down, and now 101 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: we see Donovan gone, and if you look at what 102 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: Jim said he was gonna do, he's doing it. So 103 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: assess how Heimen has done with the plan that he 104 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: put out in place publicly. 105 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I mean, originally it was a retool, 106 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 5: or then it was a build. I mean, it's pretty 107 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 5: obvious it's a rebuilt. There's really no other way to 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 5: say it. I think you're just waiting for Lars and 109 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 5: Jojo to be sent off. And I think if Lars 110 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 5: didn't have the surgery this offseason, he'd already be gone. 111 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 5: So maybe those are two pieces that you can package 112 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: together this year during the trade deadline to uh maybe 113 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 5: get you know, a couple more prospects and go from there. 114 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean when it started, he had multiple 115 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 5: guys that had no trades that he was kind of 116 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 5: stuck with, right would see, you know, he tried to 117 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 5: do the best he could with that. He got a 118 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 5: couple of big league ready pitchers, had to eat, you know, 119 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 5: a good chunk of money. So hopefully, you know, a 120 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 5: couple of those guys pan out for the money they 121 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: paid in the trade to get it down and get 122 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 5: it done. The Donovan trades going to be the main 123 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 5: one that was kind of like, hey, this was my 124 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 5: I kind of did. I didn't have to do this one, 125 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 5: if that makes sense. So we're gonna have to see 126 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 5: how this one pans out, and that's going to be 127 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 5: the big You can't really grade the other trades because 128 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 5: of the no trade. This one is, hey, I did 129 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 5: it because we I thought it was the best for 130 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 5: the organization. 131 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. 132 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 5: It was not something that had to be done. So 133 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 5: I think that's going to be the grade for him 134 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 5: moving forward. And none of those guys are big league 135 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 5: ready and probably won't be until twenty seven most likely 136 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: at the earliest, and the most likely to be the pitcher. 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: Maybe the college outfielder he kind of grades as a 138 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 5: as a fourth outfielder, platoon type guy. So the center 139 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 5: fielder that what was his name, uh, good athlete, he's 140 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 5: got a chance to be something. I think you know, 141 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 5: the power numbers are coming up. 142 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 4: He's young. 143 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 5: He needs to put the ball in play a little 144 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 5: bit more, you know, because he can run. 145 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 4: And do some things. 146 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 5: So it's a way and see not like the comppicks 147 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 5: they got. It gives them more draft capital. He gives 148 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 5: them more uh you know, uh of the money that 149 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 5: they can use in the draft bonus pool. And then 150 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 5: you can do some things there. So this could be 151 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 5: uh six or seven or or you know, you can 152 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 5: you can do some weird things with this, uh with 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 5: this over with with this whole because of the draft 154 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: picks that he's got with it, so you can maybe 155 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 5: tie a draft pick to large and Jojo each and 156 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 5: get a higher prospect that you kind of know what 157 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 5: you're getting because you've seen him play in the minor 158 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 5: leagues and stuff like that. So there's a lot of 159 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 5: ways to go here. It wouldn't it didn't have to 160 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 5: be done because Donnie didn't have to be moved or 161 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 5: you know, didn't want to be moved like the guys 162 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 5: with the no trade. So that's gonna be the one 163 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 5: to see where we go in two years to see 164 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 5: how they developed. And it puts a lot of pressure 165 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: on their minor league developed system and and all this 166 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 5: stuff too, because they've all they've done is overhaul the 167 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 5: minor leagues, and if none of these guys pan out, 168 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 5: then it's just like we overhauled and didn't have any 169 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 5: plan for any of these guys. 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Well, what of you guys mentioned earlier? 208 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: Jojo Romero we've touched on on a large new park 209 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: coming off surgery. 210 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: Maybe not the best time to deal him. 211 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: But Matt, I'm gonna ask you about Jojo coming off 212 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: a career year eight saves U and E or a 213 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: really just a tick above two. He was outstanding, his 214 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: best year as a big leaguer. Are they better to 215 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: hold him or better to deal him? How do you 216 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: see this thing unfolded? 217 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it just goes back to 218 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: what the return is, you know, I mean I think 219 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: it's you know, I think depends on what people are offering. 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I think sometimes with realievers it's it is 221 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: best to strike uh and and and maybe try to 222 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: optimize value after coming off of uh, you know, his 223 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: best season, because relievers tend to be a little more 224 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: volatile with performance. I think, if you're gonna trade him, 225 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: you know, or you know, if if if there's value, 226 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: if there's teams that want him and they're willing to 227 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: offer you know, prospects or you know compis or whatever, 228 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: I think you. 229 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: Definitely have to listen. We talked about this before. 230 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 2: It doesn't do you any good to have a closer 231 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 2: or a dominant reliever on a team that's not really 232 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: trying to win. I mean you may as well, I mean, 233 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: whether you win seventy four games or seventy seven games 234 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: because you have a good left handed reliever. I think 235 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: at this point, if you're not going to win the 236 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: you know, if you're not really going for it, it's 237 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: best to optimize value on players like him. So I 238 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 2: think I would, you know, I would look to trade 239 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: him and get the best deal you can get. And 240 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, again we talked about it, like whether you 241 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: have him on the team next year or not, it's 242 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: not going to move the needle on whether you you 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: know you somehow make a playoff run coylem. I think so, 244 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 2: But I think Lance and I would would both agree. 245 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: So, Lance, I think you said Donnie might have been 246 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: the tipping point. Maybe it's Joe, but you said. 247 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: If they deal those guys, then we know this is 248 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: a gut rehab, right, This is not fixing up the 249 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: foyer or or sprucing up a guest bathroom. 250 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I think Donnie's the Donnie was the start 251 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 5: of the or rebuilding, said us. If if you trade Donnie, 252 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 5: it's a rebuild, you know. Obviously I thought, you know 253 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 5: they might have packaged Judgo with someone else to maybe 254 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 5: get a little bit more in a in a deal. 255 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: But like Matt said, relievers their years. They can go 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 5: up and down rather quickly. You know, if you trade 257 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: him now, they get a full year of him. You know, 258 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: whether it's you know, whatever team needs him and all that. 259 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 5: You know, if he has a bad first half, his 260 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 5: value is going to go down. And you kept being 261 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 5: because you're not You're not going to be in it. 262 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 5: You're you're telling everybody you're rebuilding, So why not try 263 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 5: to get as much you can and not risk value 264 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 5: going down. And that being said, you know, you have 265 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 5: these compicts that you just got, you know, maybe you 266 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 5: throw one in there and see if you can get 267 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 5: yourself a top under prospect from somebody. You just never know. 268 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 5: But I would say with reelievers, year and in year out, 269 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 5: you never know what you're gonna get. You never know 270 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: when the mileage, you know, catches up in this way 271 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 5: and that way, and he's got one more year. I 272 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 5: think this is the last year are if I'm not mistaken, 273 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: So it's I think it's a no doubter. Give a 274 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 5: team a full year of a guy and then you 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 5: can try to get the best back as you can 276 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 5: and get a guy that you you know that you're 277 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: high on or something like that. And if you want 278 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 5: a better pick or a better guy throwing a throwing 279 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 5: a comp pick where because you don't know what's going 280 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 5: to be there in the draft. You you know what 281 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 5: a guy's done in the minor league so far to 282 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 5: actually see what you can kind of project his future be. 283 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 4: Let's you know, some of these guys, I'm just curious. 284 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's gonna be on a rotating base, especially 285 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: early on. But one guy you think would be good 286 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: at closing out game crop that's gonna be there beyond 287 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: June Chick. 288 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you're looking at uh what you got. Uh. 289 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 5: Off the top of my head, I think it's gonna 290 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 5: be more smay whatever. Righty, he kind of came up 291 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 5: last year and and did did some things and then uh, O'Brien. 292 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 5: I think those two are kind of you're would see 293 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: right away. And if Lakey doesn't make the rotation or 294 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 5: you don't, you know that all these guys that you 295 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 5: got in the trades and McGreevey and Blante, everybody looks 296 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 5: good in spring training, throw Leahy back there. You know 297 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: that that could be a fix. And hell, they're gonna 298 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 5: have nine starters fighting for five spots. Like if one 299 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 5: of those guys stuff plays up in the bullpen and 300 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 5: you got a closer that's one year into the big leagues, 301 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 5: that is very very good thing to have because closers 302 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 5: get expensive quick. And Matt, tell me if I'm wrong here, 303 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 5: you want a three four starter or is this stuff 304 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 5: play up as a back end reliever? You know what 305 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: I'm saying. You three four start everywhere? You know, back 306 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: in if a guy's stuff plays up in the bullpen 307 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: and he's going going to be a four starter going 308 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 5: five innings, six innings, tops, throw him in the back 309 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 5: end of the bullpen and let him go get saved, 310 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 5: like Lady might be an elite closer, but might be 311 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 5: a four starter. Like that's a you just never know, 312 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 5: and that's something they got to figure out on screen train. 313 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: One of the things too, that Thymas said, is still 314 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: out there right handed bat and do Hard just signed 315 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: with the Padres. 316 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 4: He seemed to be a good fit. 317 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: Some of the names out there like right handed bat, Hoskins, 318 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: power guy, veteran which they could use in the clubhouse, 319 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: plays a little outfield, another guy who I think is 320 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: still living in Saint Louis's Goldie first base only, and 321 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have guys they want to see at first base, 322 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: but a right handed back very good splits, you know 323 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: against lefty pitching Matt When you're looking at right handed guys, 324 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: who think would fill the bill of guys that are 325 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: still out. 326 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: There, maybe Yeah, I mean, I think the problem you 327 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: have here is the guys that you mentioned are they 328 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're gonna be later in their career 329 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: looking to try to to play on a winning team. 330 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: You know, I think obviously if if nothing, if no 331 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 2: contenders are interested, I doubt Goldie, you know, is wanting 332 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: to come back and and sort of play on a 333 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: on a rebuild. I'm guessing he's looking for a role 334 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 2: on a on a team as a chance to win 335 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 2: the World Series. I mean, we talk about Hoskins, I 336 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: mean that that might be somebody that but my guess 337 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: is he's probably looking to play on a competitive team 338 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: where he gets at bats, you know, Mork and cistently. 339 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 3: I guess I. 340 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: Guess the split would be with with first base, maybe 341 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 2: the platoon split that you're looking at with Hoskins and 342 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: Goldie with Burlson. But looks like Burlson they want to 343 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: play him every day and see see what he looks 344 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: like against lefties and not really have a platoon. 345 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 346 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: What exactly role other than just to say you have 347 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: another right handed bat. Is it a bench role that 348 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: just pin shits? Is it a you know, is it 349 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: somebody that can play both infield and outfield. I think 350 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: Wilmer Flores was on the list, you know, Starling Marte. Uh, 351 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 2: maybe he wants to try to rebuild value again. But again, 352 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 2: if you trade new bar And and you want to, 353 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, sign Marte and and see if he can't 354 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 2: rebuild some value and then trade him at the deadline, 355 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: or you know, if you want to do something like that, 356 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: I could see it. 357 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: But when you start talking about bedroom players, most. 358 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: Of the time, they're not looking to be platoon players 359 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: on on non competitive teams. They want to be platoons 360 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 2: three to platoon. They want a platoon on a on 361 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: a team as a chance to win. So I think 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: it's an interesting, uh situation, unless you're gonna overpay, which 363 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: which doesn't really seem to be in the cards for Nice, 364 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: in the cards for any of any of the free agents. 365 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: Uh. 366 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: You know that the Cardinals will looking. I can't see 367 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 2: them overpaying to bring in somebody like Rehee Hoskins just 368 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: to add a right handed bat. 369 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know. I don't know where 370 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: this will land, but it'll be interesting. 371 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: Let's say something more positive than that, because right now 372 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm a little. 373 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 5: Jojo for a person that can hit right handed and 374 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: play the outfield. And you know what you're getting. I 375 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 5: mean that that's the kind of the play, and it's 376 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 5: gonna save you money and you don't have to get 377 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 5: a free agency. But if you're gonna go in the 378 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 5: free agency, mold Burley can play left if need be. 379 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 5: If you know, however you want to work it. If 380 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 5: you trade new then Burley can play left. Walker's in right. 381 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 5: Then you can put Herrera at d H and then 382 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 5: you gotta maybe a better back or a better catcher situation, 383 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 5: and you're whoever you go can also DH and play 384 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 5: first base and do the things like that. So there's 385 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 5: a lot of fits there, and then you just got 386 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 5: to kind of see how it is. Flores kind of 387 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 5: fits the bill too. If you look at it right, 388 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 5: second base, third base are probably gonna be predominantly left handed, 389 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 5: first base gonna be predominantly left handed. Wilmer can play 390 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 5: all three of those positions in the infield, So then 391 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 5: Newton left walkers and right victors in center, and that's 392 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 5: kind of your flow. And then you can flow in 393 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 5: Herrera at his DH days because Herrera, in my opinion, Herrera, 394 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 5: if he catches you want to you got to watch 395 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 5: his legs. So if you want him, you gotta be in. 396 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 5: He's gotta be in the lineup every day pretty much. 397 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 5: So how can you get him in the lineup the 398 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: most DH three days a week. I think that would 399 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: be huge for him, and then mix and match those 400 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: days behind the play, especially with day games, you know, 401 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 5: and off days and stuff like that. So I think 402 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 5: Herrera is going to get more DH time than people think. 403 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: All right, last thing, and I'll let you guys go 404 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: in a more positive direction. One guy outside of JJ 405 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: Weatherholt who everyone's excited to see, who I know we 406 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: all believe will be on the unopening day roster, will 407 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: be a very good play. Outside of that, give me 408 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: one guy that you want to see either how he 409 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: bounces back or how he takes it to the next 410 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: level or maybe makes him win just what he does 411 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: when he's got too healthy, kneeds Matt'll start with you. 412 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: One guy on the current roster that you're excited to 413 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: see in the upcoming season. 414 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: Well again, I think you know Jordan Walker is always 415 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: the one that's intriguing just because his ceiling is high. 416 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 2: You know, all accounts. I think I heard Mason went 417 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 2: on an MLB network. He was talking about how excited 418 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: he was to see some swing change or that he'd 419 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: been working really hard, and that he had seen Jordan's 420 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 2: recently swinging and looks really good. 421 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: So he's a guy, you know that it has high 422 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 3: end potential, hasn't quite tapped into it just yet. 423 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: Still young, but he's one of those guys that that 424 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: is an outlier when it comes to strength and and 425 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: and and arm strength and some things that he can 426 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 2: do that most guys can't. So he's one of those 427 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 2: guys that, uh, you know two years ago, Uh, he's untradable. 428 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: You could get you could have got you know, a 429 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: ton four and and just this kind of you know, 430 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 2: still trying to find find it, figure it out. So uh, 431 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if he can he can take 432 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: that next step and and and maybe turn into a 433 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: you know, a really good player. 434 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 5: How about you, Lance, I'm gonna go with Gorman off this. 435 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 5: This is what we're thinking, right, You got JJ and 436 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 5: and Win up the middle. It's Gorman and and Walker 437 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 5: that if they take that next step with Herrera behind 438 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 5: the plate and then and then Victor Scott, but it's Gorman. 439 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 5: Their make a break years are for Walker and Gorman 440 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 5: in my opinion, in this sense, but they're still really young. 441 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 5: Gorman's got a chance to be a third baseman, second 442 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 5: baseman that can hit, you know, twenty five home runs 443 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 5: BLUs a year. Everybody needs to realize he's in a 444 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 5: ballpark where if twenty five home runs happen, as Matt knows, 445 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 5: is a really good year, but hit your doubles and 446 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 5: don't strike out. So, from my opinion, if he hits 447 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: twenty to twenty five home runs, but next thing you know, 448 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 5: the bad Nevers goes up to two point fifty and 449 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 5: hit some doubles and stuff like that, he becomes a 450 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 5: really good player. Or he can swing like he swings 451 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: and become roognant o'door. Or I'm gonna hit thirty every year, 452 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: I'm gonna strike out two hundred times and I'm gonna 453 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 5: drive in one hundred. But I'm hitting two hundred, so 454 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 5: I'm not a serviceable player. I think he needs to 455 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 5: wrap his head around of Hey, if I hit less homers, 456 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 5: but my bad nevers goes up, I hit more doubles, 457 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 5: I become more of a productive player instead of just 458 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 5: going for the home run. 459 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 4: At all times. 460 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 5: And I think he's capable of doing that. 461 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: But he got in his head that he needed. 462 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: To hit thirty, and when you try to hit thirty 463 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 5: in Bush Stadium, your batty never goes down because you 464 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 5: get a lot of fly balls to the track or 465 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 5: a lot of swing and miss trying to try and 466 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 5: to drive the ball a little too much instead of 467 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 5: just go gap to gap, do your thing, and when 468 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 5: the ball goes, it goes. And when you go to Cincinnati, 469 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 5: Milwaukee and Wrigley, you know, have a good weekend the 470 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 5: next time, and you know he goes from twenty five 471 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 5: to twenty nine thirty. 472 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: That's what. 473 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 5: That's the way you got to play it. If you 474 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 5: play most of your home games or if you have 475 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: half your games at Bush. 476 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mason Win because he played through 477 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: a bad knee from Osa last year and. 478 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 5: Masilla Golden Glove, good reach. 479 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 4: What's that? 480 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 5: I'm say, you want to go to Glove and he's 481 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: had two good years. 482 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: Hold this, but I think he's gonna steal bases. 483 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna hit twenty homers, and I think 484 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna be more of an impact back. That's why, 485 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: because we saw him do all that with a torm meniscus. 486 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: I think Jim, I think people expect that at him. 487 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 5: That's like the next step for him. The other guys 488 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 5: are ones that are like, hey, you have to re 489 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 5: establish that you can be a big Leaguer's. 490 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 1: See, but I've said excited to see or see what 491 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: they can be. 492 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 5: It's only what Mason win. Then you don't need to 493 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 5: watch baseball. 494 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: That's fair enough, all right, but that's that's the beauty 495 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: of Cardinal Territory. We give answers and then the former 496 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: athletes can beat up on the guy who wasn't. I 497 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: appreciate that, gentlemen. Thanks for the insight. Always great talking 498 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: to you. That's gonna do it for this edition of 499 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory. We'll see you next time. Hopefully that episode 500 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: won't suck.