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Speaker 1: Monster presents Insomniac. I'm Scott Benjamin and everything I'm about

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Speaker 1: to tell you is real. This is Insomniac. The year

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Speaker 1: was her Baumeister was forty four years old, and he

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Speaker 1: and his wife Julie's small Save a Lot chain of

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Speaker 1: thrift stores was successful enough to allow them to buy

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Speaker 1: a new home, a mansion north of the city. The

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Speaker 1: home the Bowmasters chose was a million dollar eighteen acre

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Speaker 1: estate in the Indianapolis suburb of Westfield, Indiana. It was

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Speaker 1: called Fox Hollow Farm, and the sprawling property, with a

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Speaker 1: nearly ten thousand square foot house, horse stables, a separate apartment,

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Speaker 1: wooded areas, and even an indoor pool, was the family's dream.

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Speaker 1: It also afforded Herb a lot of privacy, enough to

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Speaker 1: do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, without the fear

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Speaker 1: of being discovered. Even more privacy came in the summer months,

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Speaker 1: when Julie and the kids would go to visit Herb's

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Speaker 1: mother in northern Indiana. Sometimes they were gone for weeks

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Speaker 1: at a time, leaving Herb at home alone to watch

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Speaker 1: over the Save a Lot stores. By the family business

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Speaker 1: was suffering a downturn in fortune. The Save a Lot

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Speaker 1: stores were no longer successful, and Herb himself was in

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Speaker 1: the midst of another personal crisis. Aside from the business failing,

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Speaker 1: he and Julie were no longer getting along due to

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Speaker 1: his mood swings and erratic behavior. He was arrested for

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Speaker 1: days in jail and one year of probation. To make

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Speaker 1: matters worse, his son Eric found a human skull in

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Speaker 1: an entire cluster of bones a half buried, full human skeleton.

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Speaker 1: That evening, Julie confronted her about the bones, but he

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Speaker 1: probably carried away by animals. She thought to herself. Herb's

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Speaker 1: entire life seemed to be in a downward spiral, and

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Speaker 1: and everyone else. Really, we're about to learn the secrets

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Speaker 1: that Herb kept hidden at Foxhall of Farm. Her pad

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Speaker 1: aware that he had some problems. Reports from his co

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Speaker 1: his behavior was more than a little erratic, to say

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Speaker 1: what was socially acceptable. He had a strange fascination with

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Speaker 1: unusual fascination with urine. Not only did he p on

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Speaker 1: pete on the letter to the Governor of Indiana, well,

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Speaker 1: If you don't know what schizophrenia is, it's a long

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Speaker 1: Julie decided that she had enough. She gave the police

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Speaker 1: A neighbor of Boumeister's prompted a second search the fox

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Speaker 1: some rest. I started recording myself in these sleepless moments,

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Speaker 1: everyone leads a double life, and it's dominia makes me

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Speaker 1: when I say that Julie Baumeister is not responsible in

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Speaker 1: how much did Julie know? And when it's a question

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Speaker 1: I always have regarding the spouses of serial killers, how

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Speaker 1: is it possible that they don't know their partners guilty

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Speaker 1: Right from the beginning, Julius claimed that the Herb Baumeister

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Speaker 1: Baumeister that she was married to. What she means by

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Speaker 1: eight of them wherever positively identified. In addition to the

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Speaker 1: According to Julie, Herbert made countless trips to Ohio during

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Speaker 1: those years, supposedly on store business. Do you remember that

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Speaker 1: stack of videotapes the Canadian troopers saw in Herb's back

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Speaker 1: We'll never know for sure, of course, because the tapes

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