1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Stephen Caroll, and 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: this is Here's Why, where we take one news story 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: and explain it in just a few minutes with our 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: experts here at Bloomberg. Something unusual is happening with the 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Japanese yen and it's been making headlines. Huge swings in 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: the Japanese currenc Here. 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: Wrap me one fifty six after hitting at one fifty 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: three low. The question is stillowed as to whether there 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: was intervention. 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: We want to alert you again to what's going on 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: in the currency market. A dramatic move with the yen 12 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: spiking in value, advancing more than one percent against the dollar. 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: It looks as though the Ministry of Finance has has intervened. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 1: The biggest one day move that we've seen on an 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: entry day basis going back to early twenty twenty three. 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: On Monday, a public holiday in Japan, the end slumped 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: past one hundred and sixty the dollar before suddenly bouncing back. 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: And then it happened again on Thursday, in the final 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: minutes of New York's trading hours, a sudden swing stronger 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: of about five yen figures from the Central Bank's accounts 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: suggest officials have poured billions of dollars into the market 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: this week to prop up the Japanese currency, but they 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: haven't publicly admitted to it, and it's not entirely clear 24 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: that it's working. So why did they do it? To 25 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: help explain, we've got Bloomberg opinion columnist Daniel Mass with 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: us Hi. Daniel, what are the Japanese authorities up to? 27 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: Japanese authorities have for a number of weeks, if not months, 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: been sounding the alarm about what they see as sharp, 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: excessive moves in the inn. They're not overtly complaining that 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: it is weak. What's been bothering them are some of 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 2: the moves and the velocity of the change. And the 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: again certainly is having a tough time. It's the worst 33 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: performing major currency this year. It's also the worst performing 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: Asian currency this year, down by around ten percent. And 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: this is all the more startling because if you just 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: go back a couple of weeks, amidst great fanfare, the 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 2: Bank of Japan ended its negative interest rate policy and 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: borrowing costs were pushed just above zero. Now, this was 39 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: seen as epocal, a sea change, something that was going 40 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: to give the yen, some pep didn't happen. Here we 41 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: are a month or so later and the end is 42 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: reaching new thirty four year lows. 43 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: So something's wrong, something wrong indeed, But what is it 44 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: about now that's made those authority step in. 45 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: The extent of the moves certainly has been sharp, and 46 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: this reflects a rapid repricing and recalibration of where people 47 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 2: see the federary and consequently the US dollar going this year. 48 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: If you go back to the end of last year, 49 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: at his final press conference in December, FED Chair J 50 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 2: Powell really leaned into the idea that interest rate cuts 51 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: plural were on the way. Now you've had a couple 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: of months where that final mile of inflation is proving 53 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: more difficult than anticipated, and now people think, well, what 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: if there's no FED cuts, what if there's just one 55 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: God forbid? What if there's even a hike? So the 56 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: dollar is, as a consequence, surging against everything. It's not 57 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: just a yen story, but among major currencies, the yen 58 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 2: is certainly getting hammered. 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: So will the Japanese keep doing this, keep stepping into 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: the markets. Do they have limits to what they can do? 61 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: It depends what your objective is I doubt that the 62 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: Ministry of Finance wants to turn excessive yen weakness into 63 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: a sustained rally. They can't do that because the fundamental 64 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: economic settings of Japan relative to the United States don't 65 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: back that. Ultimately, it's the fundamentals that matter. What they 66 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: can do is manage the yen's decline, try to smooth 67 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: out some of these sharp moves and make some of 68 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: the most gung ho yen bears think twice at some 69 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: of these levels, you know who's going to be on 70 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: the other side of that trade? Is it going to 71 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: be the Japanese government? Perhaps I better get out of 72 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: the way. We're getting into territory here where perhaps you know, 73 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: we need to tread a little more carefully, just inject 74 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: some doubt, make people think twice. 75 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: Is it worth it for them to do that? Though, 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: given the massive amounts of money that are involved. 77 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Again, this gets to what you see as their primary objective. 78 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: If the objective is to just like hold the pace 79 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: of this decline, sort of like curb the velocity a 80 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,559 Speaker 2: little bit, curb the enthusiasm. To borrow the title Larry 81 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: David's show from some of these yen bears. Then they 82 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: can do that, and it's probably money well spent. You know, Ultimately, 83 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 2: you can't talk for weeks and weeks about all options 84 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 2: being the table and not pull this trigger. You know, 85 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 2: Japan actually for quite a while was a long time 86 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: player in the FX market, right the way through say 87 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: maybe two thousand and four, two thousand and five. Now, 88 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: most of that time Japan was in the market constraining 89 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: the yen's advance. Constraining its decline is something much rarer, 90 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 2: but that's what we've been seeing in all likelihood. This week. 91 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: You've laid out versus the dynamic here that sat up 92 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: this situation of yan weakness, What could shift that, what 93 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: could make this situation change in the future. 94 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: Interest rate reductions by the Federal Reserve, which j. Powell 95 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: has told us not going to be forthcoming as soon 96 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: as some might have wished, or the Bank of Japan 97 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: has to start raising interest rates further. They need to 98 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: be careful here. Japan's had a couple of false dawns 99 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 2: where it's hyped rates over the last few decades and 100 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: it hasn't worked out too well. You know, they just 101 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: have to sort of grin and bear it, you know, 102 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: and just try to change some of the psychology, make 103 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: people think twice about some of these, you know, rather 104 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 2: extreme moves that we've been seeing. 105 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Daniel Mass, Bloomberg Opinion Columists, thank you very much for 106 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: joining us on Here's Why, and you can read Daniel's 107 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: latest article on this Japan should leave the yen berzooka 108 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: at home. That's at Bloomberg dot com, Forward Slash Opinion 109 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: and for more explanations like this from our team of 110 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts around the world, search 111 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: for Quick Take on the Bloomberg website or the Bloomberg 112 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: Business app. I'm Stephen Carroll and this is Here's Why. 113 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: Back next week with more. Thanks for listening.