1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in everybody to the Clay Travis 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show on this Wednesday, de Sember eight. 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being with us much to discuss. We have 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: the possibility of a war with Russia and Ukraine on 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the horizon. We'll have somebody from the ground out there 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: in Ukraine joining us in just about half an hour 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: or so to talk about is this really a possibility. 9 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: Could we see a full scale military conflict. Could it 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: be a limited incourasion to see some territory? Is it 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: a bluff to get concessions. We'll go through all that 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: stuff with somebody who's been covering Ukraine and the conflict 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: there for years now, Nolan Peterson. We also have the 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: possibility of six shots now on the horizon, to be 15 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: fully vaccent the possibility it has not been. Fauci has 16 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: said they're definitely moving fully vaccented to three shots. I mean, 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: we've all known that for a while. We'll get to 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: this what this means. But also the Fiser CEO says, yeah, well, 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: if we have to do a new a look at that, 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: isn't that so convenient. We have to do a new 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: vaccine for the only Kron variant, and I guess we 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: can expect a vaccine every year for whatever the next 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: variant is. It will be three additional shots. I can 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: do the basic math on this when three plus three 25 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: equals six shots, or else you're a bad person who 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: wants old people to die. That's what they will be 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: saying if we go in that direction. But I want 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: to start today. I mean, Clay and I've been texting 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: back and forth and with the team here just about 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: the numbers are staggering. To put this in proper context, 31 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: Let's understand that twenty twenty was a terrible year for 32 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: violence in American cities, and it really only happened from June, 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: interestingly enough, until the end of that year until the 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: November election in December, so only a half a year. 35 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: You had lockdowns, and then you had in June, all 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: of a sudden, this explosion of violence that occurred in cities. 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, there were more shootings, almost like 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: it coincided somewhat with the anti police narrative, the rise 39 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: of BLM and Democrat prosecutors, progressive prosecutors having a much 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,519 Speaker 1: freer hand to do whatever they want, which means go 41 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: soft on criminals. But we have actually seen, now, Clay, 42 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: an increase over that year in a lot of cities, 43 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: such that not only was twenty twenty a bad year, 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one already We're only on the eighth of December. 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,399 Speaker 1: Now twenty twenty one is in fact a year of 46 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: a dozen or so major cities, about twelve so far 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: major cities have set their all time homicide records all time, folks. 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: All right, just to give your sense of some of 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: these numbers, and Clay, we got to dive into why 50 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: this is happening. Philadelphia, which has one point five million people, 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: so less than a quarter of New York City. Philadelphia 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: has five hundred and twenty one murders as of this week, 53 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: all right, New York, which is much largerly as four 54 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: hundred and forty three. You go to other cities, though, 55 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: Chicago has seven hundred and thirty nine homicides as of 56 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: the end of November, which is up three percent from 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which was a very high year from the 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: year before that, although actually the highest ever in Chicago 59 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: was nineteen seventy, where there were nine hundred and seventy 60 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: four homicides, back when Libbs thought that crime was a 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: social problem and let's not punish people too much. But 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: other cities Saint Paul, Minnesota, Portland, Oregon, Tucson, Arizona, Toledo, Ohio, Baton, Rouge, Louisiana, Austin, Texas, Rochester, 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: New York, Albuquerque, New Mexico, Clay. This is pandemonium on 64 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: the homicide front. We're on in a lot of these cities. 65 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: Looking at this list, Columbus, Ohio, Indianapolis, Indiana, Philly, as 66 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, Austin, Texas, Louisville, Kentucky. One of the 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: cities where we're number one, Albuquerque, New Mexico. What you're 68 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: seeing is buck All over the nation, we are seeing 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: record highs in twenty twenty one. Remember this is still 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: with a month left. Effectively in the entire year, we're 71 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: seeing record high murder rates. And what we were told, 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: the lie that we were told was that twenty twenty 73 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: was going to be an outlier year because of what COVID, right, 74 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: That's what they tried to sell was. Even as you 75 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: point out, the numbers were actually down quite a bit 76 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: until the Black Lives Matter protests started in the wake 77 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: of the George Floyd case, and then the murder rates 78 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: skyrocketed all over the country. And what's interesting about all 79 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: these cities, Buck, is it's the width and breadth and 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: length of the entire United States. You can't point to 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: one particular region or one particular city and say, oh, 82 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: the reason why this is going on here, there's a 83 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: unique calculus associated with the murder rate here. No, it's 84 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: skyrocketing all over the country. Remember last year nearly a 85 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: thirty percent increase, the largest single year increase on record 86 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: and recorded FBI history. And now many of these cities 87 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: are going to be up again from next year. And 88 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: the answer is defund the police is the dumbest single 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: argument I believe in the twenty first century, and I 90 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: think we have to keep hammering this home. The overwhelming 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: number of victims here are minority inner city residents. Black 92 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Lives Matter has led to the protest and the attack 93 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: on policing in our cities has led to the largest 94 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: number of black lives being lost in a year to 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: year and a couple of year year relative to past history, 96 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: of all time. The irony here is staggering. It is uncomfortable, 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: and it's so uncomfortable, in fact, buck that almost no 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: one will discuss it. People don't want to even have 99 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: a conversation about the reason why the murder rate is up. 100 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: And it's directly connected to Black Lives Matter. It's also 101 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: connected to the progressive prosecutors who have been installed in 102 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: many cities across the country. Black Lives Matter Clay, as 103 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: we know, had many effects, negative effects, Let's be honest 104 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: about it, including changing the political climate nationally. And we 105 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: got to be honest Republicans. There was a moment there 106 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: June July, some people on the right, we're even saying, oh, 107 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: maybe we need a little more criminal justice reform or something. 108 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: There was this moment of we're going to appease as 109 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: the mobs are out in the street, as they're tearing 110 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: down statues, as they're breaking things and looting. It right there, 111 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say it, as much as I love 112 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: President Trump's policies and did so much great stuff, there 113 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: was about a four to six week period where the movement, 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: so to speak, was able to go really largely unopposed 115 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: on media. Everyone was running scared and President Trump, I 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: think was trying to right the ship, but they gained 117 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: a lot of grounds. So with the progressive prosecutors, for example, 118 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: they were able to continue to push for some of 119 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: the things, some of the bail reform loss staff and 120 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: really just understand it's the day to day prosecutorial decision 121 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: that drives so much to this. Oh, we got a 122 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: guy found with an a legal firearm who's already gotten 123 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: you know, three domestic violence convictions too, you know, two 124 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: robbery convictions and a burglary conviction. But Clay, do we 125 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: really want to throw them in jail for a few 126 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: years for a firearms charge. Let's save that for somebody 127 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: who crosses you know, state lines accidentally with their concealed 128 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: carry permit, you know, who's never had a criminal infraction 129 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: in their life. Right, this is the mentality of the 130 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: left that actually happened to somebody who's a Pennsylvania resident 131 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: crossed over to New Jersey by the way, years ago, 132 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: as a pretty well known case. Those decisions have enormous ramifications. 133 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: The decision to let people out and to not punish 134 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: people strongly for the violations. I mean, they're going below. 135 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: They want to get rid of course, mandatory minimums a 136 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of time. It's another thing. They always attacked Clay. 137 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: They want to have the ju have the discretion. Well, 138 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: prosecutors have even more discretion because they can decide, well, 139 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: we're only going to go for a certain count, right, 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: We're not going to go for everything we can. We're 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: not going to try to run them consecutively. So these 142 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: are all ways to shape the criminal justice system that 143 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: result in what we are seeing. This is staggering these numbers. 144 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: What should happen? And I know we have a lot 145 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: of people out there who listen, who are working in 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: think tanks, who do all sorts of diving into the numbers. 147 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: The analysis that I would love to see here, Buck, 148 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: is how many what percentage of the murders, for instance, 149 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: that are being committed in these cities where the overall 150 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: murder rate is skyrocketing, are being committed by people with 151 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: previous violent felony convictions on their record. Because what I 152 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: believe has happened is we are letting, as you're elucidating 153 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: here people who we know are dangerous. Look at what 154 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: happened in Waukesha. The guy who killed all those innocent 155 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: people at the Christmas parade, shouldn't ever been on the streets. 156 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: I would bet seventy five percent. I bet it's seventy 157 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: five percent of the murders that are being committed right 158 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: now in our major cities are by people with previous 159 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: violent felonies on their record, who you can argue should 160 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: have never been out on the streets in the first place. 161 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Because it's one thing to say, hey, we're going to 162 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: defund the police, and that is a failure, and it 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: seems like everybody's trying to walk back that idea. But 164 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 1: the police are arresting these guys, putting them into prison, 165 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: sometimes getting them convicted, and then they're right back out 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: on the streets. So what percentage I would love to 167 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: know of the murders, let's say, in New York City, 168 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia where they just set a record, of those 169 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: murders are being committed by people who have previously had 170 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: convictions for violent felonies and should have otherwise not been 171 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: out on the streets, because those are lives that are 172 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: being directly taken by our going too soft on crime. Remember, Clay, 173 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: there was this period in America in cinema. Right, you 174 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: and I are both both children, so to speak of 175 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: the late eighties early nineties, and we celebrate similar movies 176 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: before that, though, if you go back into the seventy 177 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: to the late seventies, remember the Charles Bronson eras and 178 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: the Death Wish movies and all these. The rise of 179 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: the vigilante move was also rise of urban dystopia movies 180 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: about you know, rival gangs and all of this, and 181 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: that resonated with the American people because cities felt like 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: we had this term the inner city right that they 183 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,599 Speaker 1: had been abandoned to the criminals. And right now we 184 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: have our cities that feel like they're going in that 185 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: direction very rapidly, and the best the Democrats can do 186 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: is either try to ignore it, which is not going 187 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: to work. Part of this is because we have video now, right. 188 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Everyone carries around video cameras so that we see when 189 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: AOC says something like, oh, a lot of this stuff 190 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: doesn't pan out with the retail theft. Actually, we see 191 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: all the videos of an AOC, right, So it's harder 192 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: for them to suppress it than it would have been 193 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: even twenty years ago. And people are fed up with 194 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: it because there are perception issues right there are how 195 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: do you feel on the street knowing that the store 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: two blocks away just got ransacked and one hundred thousand 197 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: dollars of stuff was stolen. Do you want to set 198 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: up your business, Do you want to resign your lease? 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Or do you want to sell your home if you 200 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: own one. This is what is going on, and it 201 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: is directly, directly attributable to stupid ideas from democrats. I mean, 202 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: that's really the the end result of all that has 203 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: to be people realize what's going on. To build on 204 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: your point about the nineteen seventies, remember what the nineteen 205 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: eighties had was cop movies with real stars Mel Gibson, 206 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Danny Glover, the Lethal Weapon franchise. Cops became pop culture 207 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: stars that people hope to become. I think you're starting 208 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: to see that with a show like Yellowstone, where they 209 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: have people who are in positions cop like positions and 210 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: they're just absolutely levying their own form of justice because 211 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: people feel like the criminal justice system is not doing it. 212 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see not only are cops gonna 213 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: get more funded, I think we're gonna see a rapid 214 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: swing back to cops are real heroes. I think that's 215 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: where we're heading. Who could have thought that wildlife regulators 216 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: would be such a bunch of badass. I know, I know, 217 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: livestock man, the guys work in National parks are like 218 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. Who knew, by the way, that Montana 219 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: had like the highest if if if the Yellowstone murder 220 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: rate was translated, the capital of murders in the entire 221 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: country would certainly be Bozeman, Montana. I believe where they 222 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: try to set all that. And by the way, Mike Lindell, 223 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: our friend and the inventor of My Pillow, they have 224 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: got us all fitted for incredible products across the board. Jenne, 225 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: trust Mike Lindell to give you a great night's sleep. 226 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: Pillows won't go flat, you can wash and dry them constantly, 227 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: and they're made in the USA. And right now Mike 228 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: has got an incredible offer on his My pillows, the 229 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: lowest price ever. You can get a standard my pillow 230 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: for nineteen dollars and ninety eight cents that was originally 231 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: sixty ninety eight to fifty dollars savings with the promo 232 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: code Clay and Buck plus they have money back guarantee 233 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: until March first of next year. Buck. How do you 234 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: get hooked up? It's so easy. Just go right now 235 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: to my pillow dot com and click on the radio 236 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: listener specials and enter promo code Clay and Buck. That's 237 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: my pillow dot com. Click on radio listener specials and 238 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: enter promo code Clay and Buck. Or call eight hundred 239 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: seven nine two three two six nine. That's eight hundred 240 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: seven nine two three two six nine These incredible, incredible 241 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: radio specials. Not only find this offer, but there are 242 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: rotating discounts on one hundred and fifty plus my Pillow 243 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: products from the Geeza Dream bedsheets, the best sheets I've 244 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: ever owned, honestly, the mattress topper it's amazing, the slippers 245 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: is wearing this morning, drinking my coffee and more. Go 246 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: to my pillow dot com promo code Clay and Buck. 247 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: We still do not believe that President Prutin has made 248 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: a decision. When President Biden did today was layout very 249 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: clearly the consequences if he chooses to move. He also 250 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: laid out an alternative path, an alternative path that is 251 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: fundamentally in keeping with the basic principles and propositions that 252 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: have guided America in the Euro Atlantic area for the 253 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: past seventy years, and ultimately we will see in the 254 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: days ahead, through actions, not through words, what course of 255 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: action Russia chooses. Sitting I'm sure Vladimir Putin is terrified 256 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: of whatever memorandum. Jake Sullivan, the National Security advisor there 257 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: for the Biden administration, is drafting up some serious sat 258 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: words going into that letter. Putin is shaken in his boots. 259 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: Is Russia going to invade Ukraine? This is going to 260 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: have big implications for a whole range of things that 261 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: will certainly affect the region and could affect us here 262 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: at home. We've got somebody who can actually answer this 263 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: question with expertise because he's out there and he's been 264 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: covering this for years on the front lines in fact 265 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: of the conflict between Russian backed separatists in eastern Ukraine 266 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian central government. He's in Ukraine right now 267 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: with us, Nolan Peterson. He is a senior editor at 268 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: Coffee or Dieme magazine, and his most recent video of 269 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: volunteers were coming together with whatever gear, whatever hunting rifles 270 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: that they can on the ground in Ukraine. It's up 271 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: at clanbuck dot com. If it's an amazing video, Nolan's 272 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: got there, So go to klanbuck dot com. Check that out. Nolan, 273 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me on. 274 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So you've been covering Ukraine for years, 275 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: and I know this. I've been following your work and 276 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: the conflict there, which Russia has already taken off Crimea. 277 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: They've already bitten off that chunk, so to speak. They've 278 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: taken parts control of parts of eastern Ukraine. But now 279 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: there's concerned with a hundred thousand plus soldiers that there 280 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: could be in the weeks ahead, a full scale invasion. 281 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? How seriously is it 282 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: being taken by the Ukrainians You've been talking to in 283 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: recent days. Well, I think the Ukrainians were probably initially 284 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: skeptical about about the possibility of a major invasion, but 285 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: I have seen in the last week, week and a 286 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: half a change in their opinion where they are now 287 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: seriously concerned that the ongoing war in the eastern Old 288 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: Bass region could escalate into a countrywide cultivation a major 289 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: invasion by Russia. I have to say, you know, my 290 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: previous profession before I was a journalist, was as a 291 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: an Air Force Special operations pilot and I spent the 292 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: lion's share of my twenties preparing to go to war 293 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: in Iraq and Afghanistan or spending time in those countries 294 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: in combat. And I always associated war with the Middle 295 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: East or some third world country when you walk around 296 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: here in Kiev, and I again, McDonald's restaurants and Nike 297 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: town stores and malls just had their Black Friday sales, 298 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: even though they don't celebrate things giving here. The Christmas 299 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: decorations are growing, going up, and it feels like I'm 300 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: in the opening scenes of some World War two movie 301 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: on the eve of the Nazi invasion of Warsaw or something. 302 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: And it's just really hard to appreciate or contemplate the 303 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: fact that in the twenty first century worth thinking about 304 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: a major armored invasion of a European country, About the 305 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: fact that tanks might be rolling down the streets here 306 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: in Kieva, it might be air strikes in the city. 307 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: They're stalking the bomb shelters in preparations for you know, 308 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: what could be a countrywide offensive. So it's it is serious, 309 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: and I think it's somebody who's seen many wars in 310 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: my time, you know, just the notion of being here 311 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: in a European city and contemplating a World War two 312 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: style invasion. It really drives home the precariousness of the 313 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: moment we're in and the stakes that you know, we 314 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: need to get this right. We need to prevent this 315 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: from happening, because if Russia does invade with the full 316 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: forces it has to bear, I don't think the war 317 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: will be quarantined to Ukraine, and it could very well 318 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: spark at general war in Eastern Europe, and I think 319 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: that would be a war that our country would probably 320 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: no longer have the luxury of ignoring or staying out of. No. 321 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: That's a really well said and descriptive example of what 322 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: it's like on the ground right now in Ukraine. What 323 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 1: sense and I know you interviewed people about their willingness 324 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,719 Speaker 1: to fight in the event Russia invades. What sort of 325 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: resistance can Ukraine put up against Russia? How many people 326 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: in Ukraine might welcome a Russian invasion? Give us a 327 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: sense for how the nation of Ukraine would respond in 328 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: your experience or expectation to a Russian invasion. That's a 329 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: great question. So Ukraine's regular military comprises about two hundred 330 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand active duty soldiers, and they've got about 331 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: nine hundred thousand reservists from which they can draw to 332 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: augment those forces in time of war, and they have 333 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: not as of now mobilize those reserves. That's not to 334 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: say that Ukraine doesn't take the cread seriously, it's just 335 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: mobilizing the reservist is a massive undertaking in terms of 336 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: the costs and also the political capital that the Ukrainian 337 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: government would have to expel not to call up that 338 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: many people into active duty service. Russia has the ability, 339 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: likely according to recent reports, of mobilizing about one hundred 340 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand troops. However, Russia's long distance, long 341 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: range fires capability massively outpowers Ukraine. So we're talking about 342 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 1: missiles and multiple launch rocket systems, obviously the air force, 343 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: air strikes, and so initial Russian attack would you know, 344 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: the predominant thinking about among many experts and also here 345 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: in Ukraine among the military officials, is that a Russian 346 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: attack would likely start off with sort of a shock 347 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: and al campaign, if you want to compare it to 348 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: both something in America does to eliminate as much of 349 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: Ukraine's regular military as possible, you know, serve right, off 350 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: the bat with missile strikes, range fires, like I said, 351 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: air strikes, and then after that it's sort of a 352 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 1: guessing game. What comes next is you are the Russian 353 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: forces going to try and actually move in Ukraine with 354 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: an armored invasion to take ground or will they just 355 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: try to effectively kill as many Ukrainian soldiers as possible 356 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: to force a political capitulation from the Ukraine government to 357 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: you know, basically bring Ukraine back under Russia's fold political fold. 358 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: If Russia were to actually try to hold ground in Ukraine, 359 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: I really I'm very fearful of that possibility because after 360 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: being here for seven and a half years, I can 361 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: tell you said the Ukrainian people are resolutely against Russia. Nolan. 362 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: Can we can we keep it? Because I want to 363 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: I want to explore a little more with you here 364 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: a few things. One, I mean, since you're laying out 365 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: in so much more detail than we're hearing anywhere else 366 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: in the news, the reality of what this could be 367 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: and what this is right now, when you talk about 368 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: how it could spark a broader conflagration, one that the 369 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: US could find itself drawn into, I mean that gets 370 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people's attention can we keep you through 371 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: for another for a few more moments. We're just going 372 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: to go into a break here and we'll keep you through. 373 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Nolan Peterson. He is on the ground 374 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. He's a journalist, a veteran, and he's the 375 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: editor in chief of Coffee or Die magazine. So we'll 376 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: bring him back here in a moment and answer this question. 377 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: If this goes bad? How bad can it get? But first, 378 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: a new cell phone at Christmas time is one of 379 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: the big you can get under the tree. That's part 380 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: of your holiday gift giving. Check the prices at pure 381 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Talk Cellular. They've got iPhone twelve starting at just four 382 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy nine dollars. That's a great price compared 383 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: to your other options. That's the way pure Talk price 384 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: is their service to Their cell service is just thirty 385 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: dollars a month for a limited talk and text and 386 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 1: six gigs of data. Compare that to your monthly cell 387 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: phone bill. If you're with AT and T, Verizon or 388 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: T Mobile, you're likely paying too much. Realize real savings 389 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: with pure Talk. It might save as much as fifty 390 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: or sixty bucks a month. If you're on the family plan. 391 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: You're likely to save eight hundred dollars a year. But Clay, 392 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: how do you do it and what do you get? 393 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: You get the same Nationwi Fi G coverage, the same 394 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: exact coverage as the big guys, for far less money 395 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: U per year. It's why both you and I are 396 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: excited to be pure talk customers right now? How can 397 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: you sign up? Dial pound two fifty say pure Talk. 398 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: You just save an additional fifty percent off your first month, 399 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: plus you can save on a new phone, thirty day 400 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: risk free guarantee, nothing to lose. Dial pound two five 401 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: zero say Pure Talk. Some restrictions apply. Call for detail? 402 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: What about gaining Clay Travis buck sex to show Let's 403 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: go right back to Ukraine. We are talking to Nolan Peterson, 404 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: who is on the ground there, giving us a sense 405 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: for what that country is like right now erie times, 406 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: as potentially Russia prepares to invade Ukraine. We've got a 407 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: lot of people out there listening to us, Nolan, a 408 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: lot of military veterans, a lot of people who are 409 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: currently in the military, but also tons of civilians. Why 410 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: should Americans care about what happens between Russia and Ukraine? 411 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: Paint the picture all right, We'll give you two answers 412 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: to that question. The first is related to what I witnessed. 413 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: I thought the years a report on this for and 414 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: that is in twenty fourteen, I saw for myself a 415 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: tank battle outside the city of Marieuble, a tank battle 416 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen, in our time, in a European country, 417 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: and it really impressed upon me the fact that you know, 418 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: the idea that world wars are over is a fiction, 419 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: and we're a naive to think that it cannot happen again. 420 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: And so I would say that we have to be 421 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: vigilant to not let this war escalate to the point 422 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: that it sparks a general war in Eastern Europe which 423 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: could spread throughout the continent and then draws the United 424 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: States and eventually in a conflict with Russia. The war 425 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: should end here, it should end in Ukraine, and we 426 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: do everything we can to stop it from escalating to 427 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: a conflict that spreads throughout the region. Nolan, what does that? 428 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: What does that look like? I mean, just on the 429 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: ground there from your perspective, what would you want to 430 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: see the Biden administration right now? Do? Okay? Well? The 431 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: second thing is Ukrainians are willing to fight for the freedom, 432 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: unlike the people in Afghanistan and Iraq, who we sort 433 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: of forced the idea of democracy and freedom upon. I worry, however, 434 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: that you know, this war has been going on for 435 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: seven and a half years now. In fourteen, Russian forces 436 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: invaded Kranemia, and they invaded in an unconventional invasion of 437 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: Ukraine's eastern don Boss region. And so for seven and 438 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: a half years, we've you know, we've very sort of 439 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: tepidly given Ukraine military aid. And it was under President 440 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: Trump that Unite States finally gave lethal weapons to javelin 441 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: anti tank messals to Ukraine. But I fear that the 442 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: time has already passed for the United States to give 443 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine the kind of aid it would need to deter 444 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: a full scale invasion. Right, we've helped them. The war 445 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: that Don't Boss is a trench war, snipers, artillery, drone attacks. No, 446 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: we've given them things that help in that war, counter 447 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: battery radars, the ability to fire back against daily shelling 448 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But the ability to defend against the major 449 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: Russian invasion includes things like surface the air missile's defensive 450 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: surface the air miss and things like that to to 451 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: deter and to defend against, you know, long range fires, 452 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: missile strikes, IR strikes, that sort of thing. So at 453 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: this point, you know, I think that we should just 454 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: be hopeful that the current crisis passes, move forward on 455 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: giving Ukraine things that it can use to defend itself, 456 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: not attack, but defend itself from a major Russian attack, 457 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: and then for now just make it as clear as 458 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: possible that obviously it is not an America's interest. It's 459 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: clear that we're not going to send ground troops to 460 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine to defend Ukraine, but we should make it clear 461 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: that we will do leverage every economic tool we have 462 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: to punish Russia. I think that it is worries some however, 463 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: that you know, you know, yesterday they're talking about all 464 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 1: these new sanctions they're going to put on Russia and 465 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: whatnot if Russia invades. But the EU gets fifty of 466 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: its natural gas from Russia, and we're going into the 467 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: dead of winter, and I personally have doubts about the 468 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: resolve of the EU to levy very harsh new sanctions 469 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: against Russia knowing that you know, they have an energy 470 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: crisis ongoing in Europe right now. Will Europe be willing 471 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: or have the courage to stand by America to enact 472 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: those tough sanctions should Russia and date that's an unknown, 473 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: and that brings, I think us to this potential of 474 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: a wider war, and that is there's a cleave east 475 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: west in Europe, within NATO and the EU, between the 476 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: Baltic states, in Poland, countries that have living memories of 477 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: Soviet oppression, you know, decades of you know, the KGB 478 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: and mass murders and quote wards, they take the Russian 479 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: threat as an existential threat to their sovereignty, their freedom, 480 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 1: and their way of life, their democratic way of life. 481 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: And so I fear that if there is a major 482 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: Russian invasion of Ukraine, those NATO and EU countries in 483 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: this region may not wait for orders from Washington or 484 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: Brussels or Berlin or Is to intervene and what they 485 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: might see as an existential threat against their countries. And 486 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: if that happens, if you do see countries deciding that 487 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: they need to get involved, then you know you're talking 488 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: about forgive sort of the corny expression, but that Frond 489 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: Ferdinand moment that sort of starts a cascading series of 490 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: events that we cannot arrest and that could lead to catastrophe. 491 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: We're speaking to Nolan Peterson, senior editor at Coffee or 492 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: Die magazine and a veteran himself, who is in Ukraine 493 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: right now. So if you hear a delay for a second, 494 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: focus because he is on the you know, the other 495 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: side of the world, and he's been covering Ukraine four years. 496 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: And Nolan, you mentioned some of the other countries in 497 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: the region, Poland, the Baltic States, places that have all 498 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: too clear a history and a memory of what it 499 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: was like under the Soviet era. What are they doing 500 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: and what will they call for? You think if there 501 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: is even a limited Russian incursion into Ukraine, Well you're 502 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: already seeing just today Lithuania has sent shipments of ballistic 503 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: body armor and whatnot to Ukraine to I think more 504 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: of a sign of solidarity than anything. Ukraine produces plenty 505 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: of weapons and military gear, but I think they're demonstrating 506 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: their support. But you know, I think when when you 507 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: look at the for example of the recent Belarus border crisis, 508 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: right you see a militarization of NATO's eastern frontier along 509 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: the borders with Belarus. In Poland, Lavia, Lithuania. That is 510 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: really unprecedented for our time. And by the way, you 511 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: had Russian nuclear capable war planes flying near that border 512 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: region at the same time, so their tensions are extraordinarily high. 513 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: And I obviously if you have one hundred and seventy 514 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: five thousand Russian troops pouring in Ukraine, which borders Poland, 515 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's that's that is is 516 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: that question mark because like I said, that from certain 517 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: and scenario, and it's up to those those countries may 518 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: perceive it's in their best interest to do something about it, 519 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: whether that's sending massive amounts of hardware Ukraine. Maybe there 520 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: will be civilian volunteer fighters, which I highly suspect will 521 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: be a possibility. You'll probably see civilian volunteers coming from 522 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: those countries to support Ukraine. One of those countries will 523 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: send sposial operations forces on It's all speculation at this point, 524 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: but I think the overarching message should be that should 525 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: Russia invade, you're kickstarting a series of events that are 526 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: out of everybody's control. No seconds Here're sorry to cut 527 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: you off, but what's the time frame when will this happen? 528 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: In your mind, this invasion if it's going to happen, 529 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: or Russia has the forces in place to execute immediately 530 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: if they so choose. I suspect that if the Kremlin 531 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: has decided that they are going to invade, it will 532 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: most likely happen this winter, I say January February. The 533 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: reason being that during the winter is when Russia has 534 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: the most leverage over the EU. The EU as far 535 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: as gas supplies Russia. Like I said, the EU gets 536 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: about half their natural gas from Russia. If Russia the 537 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: EU wants to put sanctions on Rushi, Russia to stay 538 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: all right. We turned the gas off and suddenly you 539 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: get people freezing in their apartments in Paris. Look man, 540 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 1: stay safe. We'll have you back to talk more about 541 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: this as it gets closer. Thank you for joining us. 542 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 1: Nolan Peterson from Ukraine Coffee or Die magazine More coming up. Team. 543 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Fund the 544 00:31:50,120 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: EIB Network. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 545 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: I want to give you a couple of happy stories here. Buck, 546 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna like this one. First of all, this is 547 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: kind of funny. Finland has a prime minister. Her name 548 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: is Sonna Maron. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that 549 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: right because I'm not exactly an expert. In finished pronounce 550 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: she unmarried because Buck is unmarried. I'm going to tell you, Buck, 551 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: you might need to look her up. You might need 552 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: to bring her to America. Thirty six years old, perfect, 553 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: she is the Finnish prime minister. She left her work 554 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: foam workfhone at home Saturday night, hit the clubs until 555 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: four am, and then did not realize that she was 556 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be quarantining. She has said sorry for partying 557 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: in her response to this scandal that has emerged in Finland. 558 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: And I'm going to retweet this story and many of 559 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: you who see this are going to say, my god, 560 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: this is the hottest prime minister, the hottest prime minister 561 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: in the history of democratic republics, don't I don't know 562 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: who John Major maybe back in the mid I'm trying 563 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: to think of who the hottest prime minister prior to 564 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: Sonnah Marin, who suddenly is going to become very popular 565 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: in America because she was out partying until four am 566 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: and did not care about the COVID notification. So I 567 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: am I am dubbing her the hottest prime minister in 568 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: the history of democracies around the world. You can give 569 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: me your own recommendations. There may be somebody better looking, 570 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: all right. So that is a story direct from Finland. 571 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: So all of our Finnish affiliates are going to be 572 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: very excited. They were not anticipating getting a mention on 573 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: the Clay and Buck show here, I think. So maybe 574 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: I'll tweeted her and tell her it's okay, you party girl. 575 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: You don't you don't let those mean people in the 576 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: medium with the whole COVID notification thing rain on your 577 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: partying preate autil four am. By the way, Clay, I'd 578 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: have to sleep for two days afterwards. I don't know how. 579 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who are in their mid thirties, like, 580 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't imagine being in your twenties. 581 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: In your twenties is fine, right, you bounce back? People? 582 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: Are they rally after partying or the day a day drinking? 583 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: Once you get over thirty. For any of our young 584 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: audience out there who were in there like mid late twenties, 585 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: once you get over thirty, I'm telling you your recovery 586 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: period after a night of partying and dancing extends itself 587 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: pretty dramatically. It reminds me Buck, we were talking about 588 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: The Succession fortieth birthday party. The character who's having his 589 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: fortieth birthday party is with his ex wife and she's 590 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: about to turn forty two. And he's like and he's 591 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: thrown himself a massive party, and he's really depressed or whatever, 592 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: and he's trying to fight with his ex wife and 593 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: he says, Oh, yeah, what are you gonna do? Just 594 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: hang out with three of your friends, have some wine, 595 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: and be in bed by eleven and something like that. 596 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: And she was like, actually that sounds amazing. Yeah, I 597 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: know there's some people out there like, yeah, I'd like 598 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: to hang out with my three friends, have some wine, 599 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: and then go to bed by eleven. All right, here's 600 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: some good news. More good news to later tonight anticipated 601 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: And I think this is legitimately big news, Buck. The 602 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: United States Senate, in conjunction with and we'll ask Senator Baucus, sorry, 603 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: Senator Danes, who was scheduled to join US. Senator Baucus 604 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: is going to vote against Joe Biden's vaccine mandate. One 605 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: Democrat from Montana and also Senator Joe Mansion at least 606 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: they are going to reject Joe Biden's vaccine mandate reportedly tonight. 607 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: This is a massive story, buck, because it undercuts and 608 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: destroys much of the validation of Joe Biden arguing he 609 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: has authority to put vaccine mandates player. We're going to 610 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: address that with Senator Danes in a moment. Also, just 611 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: on my vaccine math there. One of the reasons it 612 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: was complicated is that it is complicated. So Fizer has 613 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: put out an official statement saying that the three dose 614 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: vaccine they believe is effective at neutralizing even the omicron variant. 615 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: But according to at Jan's France Press AFP Big Media 616 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: Company quote, the companies also said that an omicron specific 617 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: version of the anti coronavirus VACS currently in development by 618 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: bio and Tech, would be available by next March. So 619 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: there's a there's a three dose regiment situation, folks for 620 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 1: full vaccination, and then there's possibly in March an additional 621 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: omicron specific one if needed. So that's the action. Ain't 622 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: taking any of them, none of them. You're gonna be 623 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: hear me so far behind. Clay's not what they wanted 624 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: to be, all right, Stuck, I want to give your 625 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: friends in family this holiday season. I'm gonna make it 626 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: easy for you. Tommy John. Tommy John's clothing, this lounge 627 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: ware is so luxuriously soft. They have the best most breathable, 628 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: comfortable underwear ever. They've got micromodal fabrics which means four 629 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,959 Speaker 1: way stretch. I'm wearing Tommy John right now, T shirt 630 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: that I wear all the time. I love this gear. 631 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: You will to get twenty percent off your first order 632 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: of Tommy John right now at Tommy John dot com 633 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: slash buck. That's Tommy John dot com slash buck for 634 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: twenty percent off order now so your gifts arrive before 635 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: the holidays. Tommy John dot com, slash buck. Welcome back 636 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,919 Speaker 1: to the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. So we've 637 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about here. We've got Senator 638 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: Danes joining us right now the Grace data Montana. Senator, 639 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Do we have him? I thought 640 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: we had him, Clay, do we have him? Can you 641 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: hear me? Yeah? We got him. I'm here, Senator to day, 642 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: thanks for being with us. Hey glad to join you. 643 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 1: So tell us, sir, we've got this vote tonight. COVID 644 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: mandates people pushing back. What do you make of it? Listen, 645 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: every so often Washington, DC does something that lights up 646 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: our phone lines where I have Montana's calling me with 647 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: either either incredible anger or frat flight out fear. This 648 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: is one of these issues, these vaccine mandates. This VACS 649 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: mandate is the overreach of DC at its worst. I 650 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 1: think it's unconstitutional. Thank god for some of these Trump 651 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: judges who have actually intervened to stop this insanity. But 652 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 1: tonight we'll have a vote on the Senate floor because 653 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: this particular provision, it's a simple majority vote to get 654 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: this past. Looks like we've got fifty one votes. Joe 655 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: Mansion's going to join us on this vote tonight, and 656 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: then they'll go to the House where we've got to 657 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: put the pressure over there. I doubt Pelosi is going 658 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,959 Speaker 1: to get this thing passed, but the Senate will stand 659 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: strong in opposition this mandate. Okay, first of all, thank 660 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: you for getting this done. Thank you for coming on 661 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: Senator Danes. For people out there like Buck and I 662 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: and many of our listeners who believe that what Joe 663 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: Biden has done in terms of a private vaccine mandate, 664 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: for people who work at businesses with over one hundred 665 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: employees under OSHA regulations is a flagrantly unconstitutional attempt by him. 666 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: What is the significance of the Senate, the majority of 667 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: the Senate saying disagree with this? From your perspective, well, 668 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: it sends a very clear message. First of all, I 669 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: think there's two messages being sent. One is you have 670 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 1: a complete united front in every single Republican senator will 671 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: the oppose of this. We're going to have at least 672 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 1: one Democrat and that's going to be Joe Mansion. And 673 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: this basically, this provision says it's way for us to 674 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: overrule a regulation or an edict imposed by the president. 675 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: So that's what this does. Sends a very strong message. 676 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: There's another message here though, too, back to the funnel 677 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: division this country, given that versusly every Democrat won't support 678 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 1: us on this fundamental reversal of a horrible mandate. You 679 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 1: think about a business that has let's say one hundred 680 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 1: and two employees, one hundred and three employees, Why is 681 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: it that suddenly they are bound by this mandate? But 682 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: you've got a business of ninety five to ninety nine employees. 683 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,160 Speaker 1: Somehow it's safe to go into work. It makes it 684 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: makes complete nonsense. And furthermore, we're starting to see more 685 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 1: naturally immunity developing it. There's no credit given to anybody 686 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 1: from natural immunity, which again, the American people are smarter 687 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: than doctor Fauci in this administration, they see right through it. 688 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 1: This is going to be a resounding robut tonight of 689 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. Speaking the Senator Steve Danes of Montana 690 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,800 Speaker 1: and Senator the US Mexico border is an area that 691 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: we don't get a lot of media coverage of. We 692 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: actually had Brandon Judd from the National Border Patrol Council 693 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 1: with us. Yes, they're telling us about the reality down there, 694 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: and it seems like the Biden regime is just going 695 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: to continue largely doing what they do, even though remain 696 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: in Mexico technically will go back into effect at some level. 697 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: We've been told that it's going to be minimal and 698 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: they're going to slow roll it. Essentially used the bureaucratic 699 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,439 Speaker 1: slow walk to make it seem like they're doing something 700 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: about the border when they're not really doing anything. Are 701 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,279 Speaker 1: the Democrats going to pay a political price for this? 702 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, where do you see this going, And also, 703 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: how can we get some of your colleagues to raise 704 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: more attention to this issue, because we know the American 705 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: people in polling are very attu tou and really oppose 706 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 1: illegal immigration absolutely well. And furthermore, for a center that 707 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: comes from a northern border state, Montanans are absolutely perplexed 708 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: why in the world with Joe Biden he kept the 709 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: Canadian border shut down. He's got the southern border wide 710 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: open for illegals to cross. And furthermore, to think that 711 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: the Biden administration's negotiating to pay some four hundred fifty 712 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to illegals who crossed me, it's he's too 713 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: completely outrageous. I've been down the border a couple of times. 714 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: I always will go during the nights. You can really 715 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 1: see what's going on. The last time I was down 716 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: there earlier this year, we literally saw Mexican cartel members 717 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: shining their floodlights at who are standing on the banks 718 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: of the Rio Grand Literally, my boots were a little 719 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: bit wet. You could hear them yelling in Spanish. I 720 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: asked the border PTol agent, curious, what are the yelling 721 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: at us? He said, sir, it's so vile. I don't 722 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: even want to translate it. It's terrible. So the Mexican 723 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: cartels are in control of the southern border because of 724 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's policies. Remember it was on the day he 725 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:13,320 Speaker 1: was inaugurated. Biden started through executive orders reversing what President 726 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,560 Speaker 1: Trump went in place, whether it's building the wall and 727 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: these policies that disincentivized illegal cross things. And of course 728 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: we've seen a disaster, and you're exactly right, there's a 729 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: political price that's going to be paid. We saw the 730 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: beginnings of that, certainly in the Virginia election. In New 731 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: Jersey and other places around the country. The numbers we're 732 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: seeing right now polling data in swing states, swing districts, 733 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: it's the strongest rebuke of the Democrats that we have 734 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: seen going all the way back to nineteen ninety four. 735 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: It's stronger than that and twenty nine ten, which were 736 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: both huge sweeping elections. The elections were held today, it'd 737 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: be a disaster for the Democrats. We're talking to Montana 738 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 1: Senator or Steve Dan's big vote tonight on the Senate floor, 739 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: maybe a big vote. We don't know for sure. On 740 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: build a Better We played Earlier in this show, some 741 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: quotes from Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla, saying it 742 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: makes no sense to do it. What are you hearing 743 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: in the Senate about the likelihood of a vote before 744 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,240 Speaker 1: the end of the year, maybe before Christmas? And whether 745 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 1: or not Democrats are going to be able to corral 746 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: Steve Mansion, who you said, Joe Mansions are, who you 747 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 1: said is going to be voting with the Democrats on 748 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: the vaccine mandate and or Kirsten Cinema. What are you 749 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: hearing inside them inside the Senate about the likely outcome here? Yeah, well, 750 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: it really comes down to Joe Mansion. You said it, Well, 751 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,439 Speaker 1: he holds all the cards in this, and Joe made 752 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: statements yesterday. If it concerns what this will do to inflation, yes, 753 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,440 Speaker 1: what this is doing to the debt, And you know 754 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,280 Speaker 1: Joe's right on this. This would be another hyper inflation 755 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 1: bomb to drop on the economy. This is this bill, 756 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: the real cost of it, it's probably somewhere closer to 757 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 1: five trillion dollars. They've gained the system. The Democrats have 758 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:07,839 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Biden and Schumer and Bernie Sanders by truncating 759 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 1: some of these massive entitlements. It makes the bill look 760 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: like it's gets quote, only one point seven five trillion dollars. 761 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about trillions of dollars. The real price is 762 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 1: about five trillion dollars. So Joe has expressed more concerned yesterday. 763 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm optimistic, but I can't be for sure that this 764 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: thing gets pushed into early next year. I think they're 765 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: gonna have a hard time getting Joe on board between 766 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: now and Christmas. Remember, West Virginia is a state that 767 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: win for President Trump by thirty eight points. Every single 768 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: county in West Virginia voter for President Trump. So you 769 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: don't have to be braveheart if you're from West Virginia 770 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:52,720 Speaker 1: to stand up against Biden, Pelosi and Schumer. Center. Steve Danza, 771 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 1: Montana Center. Great to have you on the show. Thank 772 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: you for joining us, Thanks for having me on. There's 773 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: still time to make a positive impact on your household 774 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: budget before year end. It's by improving the mortgage payment 775 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: you have, taking advantage of the lower rates still available. 776 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,919 Speaker 1: The help can be found at American Financing, America's home 777 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: for home loans and the only lender we recommend. Look 778 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm using them right now with a new mortgage. American 779 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,919 Speaker 1: Financing offers sound advice. They don't pressure you. Instead, their 780 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 1: salary based mortgage consultants get to know you so they 781 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 1: can lead you to overall savings clay. How do they 782 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,560 Speaker 1: do it? What do they do? Where do folks go? Simple? 783 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: Get your phones in your hand right now. You can 784 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: save up to twelve thousand dollars in a year thousand 785 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: dollars a month. You might also be able to skip 786 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: a couple of payments. All you have to do is 787 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: call American Financing eight hundred seven seven seven eighty one 788 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: oh nine. That's eight hundred seven seven seven eighty one 789 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: oh nine, Or you can visit American Financing dot net, 790 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: MLS one A two, three three four MLS Consumer access 791 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: dot org four