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Speaker 1: Well, it is a beautiful day outside and welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Big Blue Kick Off Live. John Schmilk,

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Speaker 1: head coach of Colorado. Why were you talking to head

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Speaker 1: Georgia defensive coordinator and secondary coach for DeAndre Baker, the

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Speaker 1: Giants third first round pick this year. So we'll get

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Speaker 1: his insight on DeAndre and exactly what he'll bring to

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Speaker 1: the field for the New York Football Giants. Lance, how

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing very well. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: respect to the draft picks that are arriving, as well

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Speaker 1: of the off season program. We should note folks that

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Speaker 1: The assistant coaches spoke today. It's the one time we

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Speaker 1: to hear from them, and I had a chance. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: know what Everett Withers does for lunch, the secondary coach.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen him in the cafeteria. Literally, I met

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Speaker 1: But that's where we all see. We all meet up

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Speaker 1: And this goes back to DeAndre Baker. His last five

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of unique that the guy that's

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time. How's everything today? Everything is great, guys?

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Speaker 1: he took over his interim head coach when they parted

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Speaker 1: ways with del Rio and then he was an assistant

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Speaker 1: head coach defensive coordinated the following season in two thousand

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Speaker 1: twelve with Jacksonville. The Bears defensive coordinator from thirteen to

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Speaker 1: fourteen before Vic Fangio took over at that position. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's been around, he's a lot. On his first rodeo,

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Speaker 1: he had a lot of bad luck and he was

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Speaker 1: well bad teams there. Man, it's not his fault, but

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Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, but the point is, regardless

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Speaker 1: of the track record, of course, he's been exposed to

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Speaker 1: a variety of different play and schemes. And I wanted

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Speaker 1: there was one thing on tape that I saw from

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker that I worried about, is that sometimes he

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Speaker 1: get a little grabby, He get a little hands E

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Speaker 1: get a little too physical with the ball in the air.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you're playing that press man, you're

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Speaker 1: back to the quarterback right and you don't know if

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Speaker 1: the balls in the air sometimes and sometimes you grab push,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of because it's it's something the guy

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Speaker 1: at a bounds. It happens when you play press man.

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Speaker 1: We've seen it happened with players across the league. But

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Speaker 1: I love his answer where he would tell him, look

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, man, even if maybe in college he

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Speaker 1: wasn't called. He comes off the field and the NFL,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna get flagged, and Baker understands that. So I

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Speaker 1: think that was a really for me and an porn

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Speaker 1: answer as Baker tries to transition from college to the prosy,

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Speaker 1: I'm completely with you, and that's why I think having

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Speaker 1: somebody who's coached on the NFL level, And this goes

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Speaker 1: back to the effort Withers conversation that we were having

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Speaker 1: John to have somebody that can relate to what you

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Speaker 1: did in college the previous year. For a lot of

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Speaker 1: these young corners that are not coming onto the roster

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Speaker 1: but at the same time have already coached at the

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Speaker 1: NFL level, I think that may help the transition process

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Speaker 1: because he'll be able to relate to maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the hiccups that some of these young guys have to

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Speaker 1: And since they're making this a cornerback show, so I

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Speaker 1: might as well talk about what Withers told me about

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Speaker 1: Julian Love when I spoke to him, and he loved

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Speaker 1: his versatility. It's kind of the same stuff that that

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Speaker 1: I was preaching about love before he even got picked,

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Speaker 1: when I was, you know, breaking them the players for

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Speaker 1: you guys. He can do everything. He can play his own,

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Speaker 1: he can play man, he can play slot, he can

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Speaker 1: play outside. Like you also trying to mant a free

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Speaker 1: safety now, right, So all these things were things that

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Speaker 1: he liked about Love that makes him a good football

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Speaker 1: player and someone that they can kind of use them

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Speaker 1: all over the place. And James Betcher echoed those same

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Speaker 1: sentiments John when he spoke to the media. Actually, I

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Speaker 1: would say versatility is a key theme here that I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing in terms of at least the coaching staff is emphasized,

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Speaker 1: I imagine. Betcher said similarly about Jabrill Peppers. Peppers also

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Speaker 1: indicated that because of the loss of Land and Collins,

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Speaker 1: who played a lot of snaps. Remember John, Okay, do

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Speaker 1: you have the same confidence that Peppers can bring that

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Speaker 1: movement to the table. And he didn't hesitate it all.

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Speaker 1: He actually said that he exchanged some text messages with

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Speaker 1: members of the Cleveland coaching staff to get a better

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Speaker 1: read on Jabril Peppers and everybody spoke extremely highly of him,

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Speaker 1: knowing that his first two seasons there were some ups

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Speaker 1: and downs from an X and O standpoint. That your

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Speaker 1: mentioned about what type of role he wanted to use

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Speaker 1: Peppers in, if it would be a changing one close

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Speaker 1: to the line of scrimmage, because I tried to get

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Speaker 1: that out of Withers and he was he wasn't really

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Speaker 1: given me much on that. Betcher didn't commit to that,

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Speaker 1: nor do I think it really you know, helps the

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Speaker 1: think that they're gonna probably move guys around and and

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Speaker 1: I never think you should label a player in a

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Speaker 1: specific role, especially during training camp field. Let's test the waters, right,

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Speaker 1: Let's see what Peppers could do near the line, Let's

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Speaker 1: see what he could do. See where he's bound in

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Speaker 1: the center field areas. So you know, that is why

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna move guys around an awful lot.

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Speaker 1: I would keep close tabs on that throughout camp, throughout

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Speaker 1: the preseason. And it also relates to the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: As we try to bring this full circle here, John,

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Speaker 1: he was asked about Dexter Lawrence. The second I need

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Speaker 1: to emphasize that. I know Derek Ster wanted to make

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Speaker 1: sure that the second is part of his last hand.

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Speaker 1: You don't want especially when you're six four and three

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Speaker 1: forty two. No, you do not want to miss that,

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Speaker 1: especially with my stature. But anyway, as we get back

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Speaker 1: to the point, there, are you almost a full two

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds lighter than him? I don't. I mean I

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Speaker 1: haven't necessarily weighed in most recently, but I would say

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Speaker 1: that's probably a fair assumption. Wow, that he's probably two

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Speaker 1: hundred pounds heavier than I am. Yes, I think I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a stretch. Now, so he's more than

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Speaker 1: twice lance Meadow size, which is petting impressive. But most

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Speaker 1: people can say that it's not as if he's in

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Speaker 1: a league of his own. But it comes to I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that you find this fascinating. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: we're learning to get anything new that we haven't learned.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so from just the mere appearance over

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Speaker 1: the last few decades. But anyway, getting back to the

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Speaker 1: point here, in terms of versatility, No, we were able

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Speaker 1: to wiggle our way out of that. I've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of experience in this department. Betcher was asked about

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Speaker 1: Dexter Lawrence the second and people are always talking about, well,

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Speaker 1: you got rid of snap X and then you drafted

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Speaker 1: dex Of Lawrence the second. What's the point if he's

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Speaker 1: also going to be like that nose tackle And he emphasized, listen,

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Speaker 1: we feel we can move these guys around. We can

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Speaker 1: move bj b J Hill around, we can move Dalvin

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Speaker 1: Tomlinson around because of how they played last year, and

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Speaker 1: we can maximize keeping them on the field for three

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Speaker 1: downs as opposed to being limited to just what they

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Speaker 1: could do on first and second down. So that's a

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Speaker 1: theme to meet John, just as much as what you

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Speaker 1: talked about with Peppers and Love and Baker and what

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Speaker 1: they can get out of a lot of these young

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Speaker 1: players that have been brought onto the roster here, and

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Speaker 1: defensive line coach Gary Emanuel said the same thing to

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Speaker 1: me that all three of those guys are interchangeable. Tomlinson,

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Speaker 1: Hill and Lawrence. You know, they play the one, three

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Speaker 1: and the five technique. That's the base three positions on

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Speaker 1: the three man front that they play here as you know,

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Speaker 1: and James Betche's kind of unique one gap, three four system,

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Speaker 1: So they'll all move with different spots. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: that's the Lawrence didn't college, so we should be pretty

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Speaker 1: used to that. In the same way, I talked to

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Speaker 1: Mike Dawson, who is the new outside linebacker slash edge

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Speaker 1: rusher coach, however you want to phrase that, and he

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Speaker 1: talked about how he needs his guys to be versatile,

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Speaker 1: need to set the edge, need to rush the pass

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Speaker 1: that they need to cover. So they Betcher likes guys

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Speaker 1: that are interchangeable. We've talked about this before with the

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Speaker 1: guys that he had in Arizona, whether it's a Toronto

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Speaker 1: Matthew or Dean Buchanan and players, Yes, guys that can

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Speaker 1: do everything. So that's what he's gonna have here. Four

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Speaker 1: or five one three hashtag giants. Chatt let's get on

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Speaker 1: the lines. We have a couple of open ones, but

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Speaker 1: we've got a couple of calls on the line too.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to him in the order in which they

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Speaker 1: were received and start with Dennis and Charlotte. Who's up next? Hey, Dennis,

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Speaker 1: H what's I have a question about the draft? I

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Speaker 1: can't remember his name right now. It was in a

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Speaker 1: hospital and he didn't make be able to participate in

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Speaker 1: the next camp. Yeah, Dennis appreciate the call. There is

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Speaker 1: no timetable on him. Obviously, he was the victim of

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Speaker 1: shooting shortly after the draft. Um. From everything that's been said,

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Speaker 1: it does not appear to be super duper serious, which

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Speaker 1: is rate. I don't know about how quickly the healing

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Speaker 1: process will happen. If he'll be here before the end

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Speaker 1: of mini camp, I'm sure he'll be up here. If

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Speaker 1: not on the field, he'll be may not be full

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Speaker 1: parts and stuff like that. And again, the rookies will arrive,

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday, and then they'll mix in with

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Speaker 1: which things are gonna happen. I'm sure he'll be back.

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Speaker 1: When he's gonna be back on the field, I don't

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Speaker 1: know based on what's been said. I'd be shocked if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't ready for training camp at the very worst,

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Speaker 1: but he'll be up here and at least still get

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Speaker 1: the mental reps in that he'll need uh, even if

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Speaker 1: he can't get on the field for Mini Camp and

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Speaker 1: O t S. But again, he might be able to.

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Speaker 1: They just haven't put a timetable out there. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think the priority right now is to make sure that

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Speaker 1: he takes care of his personal obligations, because that's what

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Speaker 1: they are right now to meta physical health. I mean that,

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Speaker 1: that to me was what the Giants made clear as

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Speaker 1: to why he wasn't at Rookie Minicamp. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he wanted to be here, but he said

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Speaker 1: he wanted to be the Giants they prioritized and they said, listen,

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Speaker 1: we understand you want to have a lengthy career with

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Speaker 1: this organization, but you gotta take care of yourself. You

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Speaker 1: gotta take care of your friends, you gotta take care

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Speaker 1: of your family. And it's completely understandable. I think your

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Speaker 1: point with respect to the mental reps. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: real quick, just for the folks that don't know, it

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Speaker 1: was his literally his best friend that was shot and

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Speaker 1: killed in the same incident that verse, so uh, literally

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Speaker 1: his best friends. So that's they wanted. The Giants wanted

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Speaker 1: to deal with that instead of coming up from from

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Speaker 1: Mini Camp, which is, which is of course the more

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Speaker 1: important thing to do. Now. You talked about the mental reps,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, let's face it, during the course of

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Speaker 1: O T A S there's limited physical contact to begin with.

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Speaker 1: So if he doesn't get on the field, if he

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Speaker 1: can't be an immediate participant, I don't really think he's

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Speaker 1: missing out on a whole lot. Training camp is when

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Speaker 1: you really start to separate the men from the boys. John,

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Speaker 1: So as long as he's here to get those mental reps,

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Speaker 1: want to see him progress before the start of camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I go I forgot like him, you know, playing

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Speaker 1: at that Division two level, which is what Washburn College was,

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Speaker 1: Washman University. I think it's Washburn College. I thought I

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Speaker 1: thought it was college as well. You know, he's probably

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Speaker 1: a better athlete than ninety nine percent of the players

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Speaker 1: he's going against. I mean, he ran a sub four

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Speaker 1: or five. He's big, you know, Washburton, Washburn University. You

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Speaker 1: know that's something we're making. That jump is going to

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Speaker 1: be a big, big deal for him. Where in college

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Speaker 1: he could get away with being sloppy on stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was, but he could get away

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Speaker 1: with it because he was a much better athlete than

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Speaker 1: everybody else. Now he's gonna come up here and everyone's

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Speaker 1: as good an athlete to see it. So he's gonna

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Speaker 1: to make sure that technique his is all set and

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Speaker 1: ready to go if he wants to be able to

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Speaker 1: get on the field as a rookie from a small school,

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Speaker 1: to show the consistency every single day in practice. I

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Speaker 1: do think taking part of the Senior Bowl helped because

642
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: it gave him an opportunity to test his skill set.

643
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: John to your point against players who are the Kreme

644
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: de la Krem of college football, and just talking to

645
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: him prior to him even being drafted on NFL radio series,

646
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: exempt he spoke with a lot of confidence. Well, we'll

647
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: do what we can. He spoke of up most confidence

648
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: that he walked away from the Senior Both feeling much

649
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: better about himself as a football player because he said, Hey,

650
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I can line up against the wide

651
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: receivers and I know that I could hang with them,

652
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: So that I think was a good step in the

653
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: right direction. But like anything else, it's all about sample

654
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: size and providing perspective that was a very small group

655
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: of days that he was there. He wasn't going up

656
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: against that caliber and practice every single day at Washburn.

657
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: So it's now going to bring it up a notch

658
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: now as he takes part in some of these giants practice. Now,

659
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: It's funny there are some guys whom Senior Bowl that

660
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: you remember, Like I remember watching o Shane him and

661
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: as I remember watching Will Hernandez two years ago, and

662
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: they're guys you just noticed, right. Corey Ballantine was just

663
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: one of those guys where I didn't focus on them.

664
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: And there's literally fifty guys on each team. I'm just

665
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: trying to explain to the fans and like, oh, you

666
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: have the Senior Bowl. How come you don't even know

667
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: more about him? I'm like, it's hard, guys. You have

668
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: old line d line drills going on at the same

669
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: time as cornerback wide receiver drills. They're literally on opposite

670
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: sides of the field. I can't watch both of them.

671
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: And I've tried to literally sit down and figure out

672
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: before Senior the chart, how am I gonna be able

673
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: to see as much as I possibly can? And it's

674
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: just impossible to see everything. And I thought this year,

675
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: ed rusher was such an important position for the Giants

676
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: in the draft, I wanted to watch as many of

677
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: those guys as possible, which coincidentally enough, it also allows

678
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: you to watch the right tackles and left tackles, which

679
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: Giants were also going to be interested in. So I

680
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: didn't watch a lot of the cornerback wide receivers one

681
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: on one. Uh. During team I focused on them a

682
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: lot more because everybody's together, and I figured I watched them,

683
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, the old n D line one on ones.

684
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: I'll watch the cornerbacks and receivers more in drills, but

685
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just hard at the senior bolt to

686
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: see every guy in detail, which is a shame because

687
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: every year the Giants picked guys from the game, and

688
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: some guys I'm like, oh yeah, I got a great feal.

689
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: I had a great feel for Hernandez. I had a

690
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: great feel for Zimmenez. I had a real good feel

691
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones. I thought I had a really good

692
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: feel for Loletto last year, but Downtown was just a

693
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: guy I did not notice. Well. I was gonna say

694
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: the same thing about if you sit back and you

695
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: watch Giants practices here it's hard. There's drills going on simultaneously.

696
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: You can only focus on so many positions at the

697
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: same time. So it's very similar to me to how

698
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl is structured. But I do think that

699
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: a lot of the chatter, as you alluded to, was

700
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: surrounding the pass rushers. I mean, I remember my takeaways

701
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowling and I watched the game. You know,

702
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: the Jalen Ferguson's of the world, the Montes Sweats of

703
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: the world. You know, those were the guys that everybody

704
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: was talking about. This little bit a touchdown pass. Yeah,

705
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: Andy Isabella got a lot of chatter out of that game,

706
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: right because of the wide receiver position, the quarterbacks and

707
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback. But that goes without saying, yeah, you didn't necessarily,

708
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, walk away with who was the corner that

709
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: jumped out to me? So, yeah, because the corner could

710
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: be doing a great job. If they're never throwing his direction,

711
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: you're never gonna notice the them guy, and unless they're

712
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: cutting away during the broadcast to focus on the route

713
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: running and how while they're matching up with the receiver,

714
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: it's hard. And the other thing that's hard too, I

715
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: don't want to get two inside football here and Don

716
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: in Texas you'll be next. You know, all these guys,

717
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: they're wearing their team's helmet, right, but their jerseys with

718
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: unfamiliar numbers, so you don't have the south and north

719
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: numbers memorized. So you're watching practice, you might notice a

720
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: good rep by the time you're looking down and try

721
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: to faigre out who the hell was in the rep?

722
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: On both sides, you know you're onto the next one.

723
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: You miss something, So it's just it's it's it's a

724
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: lot harder than it seemed. Let's let's go to Don

725
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: in Texas. He's up next. Don. What's going on? Hey?

726
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: How you doing? John? Lanes were great? What's up? Alright? Lance?

727
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: You and me together, I think we weigh the same

728
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: as next to Lawrence. I'm gonna wap in five six,

729
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: one seventies, so we might actually get him now, you

730
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: got you guys are short Stone man, Yeah, we guys

731
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: be a little on the light side. There were close.

732
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: I think the scale is starting to balance out, though

733
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: not quite not as lopsided as it appears before. I'll

734
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: tell you that. There you go. I just want to

735
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: talk about the undrafted guys. Every year, there's always a

736
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: sleeper that sneaks out. I want to hear what you

737
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: guys have as far as a sleeper, and I'll give

738
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: you my prediction for a sleeper. Mine is um Josiah

739
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: to a faya from you, Tep. You went to the

740
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: same school as Will Hernandez. This guy is always around

741
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: the football. It's got a serious motor. He's not a

742
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: perfect prospect by any chance, of course, he has to

743
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: tidy up his coverage skills. But I just want to

744
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: hear your take on that. But to it, Josiah is

745
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: always around the ball. He's he's a very hard hitter,

746
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: makes a lot of tackles. I'll take your call off

747
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: the air guy. No, thank you, don and I appreciate you.

748
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: I haven't agree with you. If I had to pick

749
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: one guy out of the rookie free agent class, that

750
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: would be it. I know the Giants were fans of

751
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: his heading into the draft. I believe on the last

752
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: day of draft coverage I mentioned him as a potential

753
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: sixth round pick when they picked Balantine instead. He was

754
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: a name I throughout there because I had a good

755
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: feel that that the team was a fan of his

756
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: They made sure they got him in h for agencies.

757
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: So if there was one guy I would circle, it's him.

758
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: But I go back to the point I was just making,

759
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: and it's funny that Don brought it up. I get

760
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: a lot of tweets what undrafted players really impressed you?

761
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: With a a rookie minicamp, I was trying to watch the

762
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: draft picks, you know what I mean. No, I'm serious.

763
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm trying to watch. You know,

764
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: it's hard enough when the Giants defenses on the field.

765
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to watch Lawrence Ziminez and DeAndre Baker at

766
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: the same time, and Julian Love by the way, who

767
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: were all on the field simultaneously. It was just hard

768
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: for me to pay attention to other guys. And by

769
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: the way, you also want to see every single past

770
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones throws too, right, So it's just hard to

771
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: keep an eye on all those guys individual That's why,

772
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of times I see reports from

773
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: these practices and all this guy played well, this guy

774
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: played well, this guy played well. So well. No, No No,

775
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm like, all right, there's no

776
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: way you watched all four of those guys enough places

777
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: to really know how well they did. That's why when

778
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: I do my practice supports, it's like, all right, this

779
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: guy made a good play here, Or I'll focus on

780
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: one position group for an entire practice there, and then i'll,

781
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'll have a good feel for that one

782
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: position group. If you have focused on one thing to watch,

783
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: you can see an awful lot. But if you're trying

784
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: to see everything, you see nothing. They're gonna get so

785
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: spiritual and deep on the big blue kickflosophical, like a

786
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: confucious type of statement. Here, my goodness, Wow, I'm I'm

787
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: blown away, but recover here for a second. I always

788
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: say there's only so much you can take away from

789
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: rookie minicamp to begin with, you know, once again, this

790
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: is their first opportunity on the field right after they

791
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: get draft. A lot of these guys haven't played competitive

792
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: football in quite some time because they've been so focused

793
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: on their individual workouts. So it's all important to take

794
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: that into consideration when you look at some of these results.

795
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: There's no pads, there's no physical content. Not to say

796
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: that Dexter Lawrence the second is not a good player,

797
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: but are you really going to learn that much about

798
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: him not being able to hit and tackle anybody? Come

799
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: on to me, The biggest thing is the quarterbacks, their

800
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: decision making, the wide receivers, the routes, how crisp they are.

801
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Other than that, receivers catching the ball, quarterback accurate, you know,

802
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: stupid things like exactly you know you can't well. And

803
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: that's why if you asked me for two names, I mean,

804
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Reggie White Jr. At a mon myth I think is

805
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: a name to watch, so you know, we'll see whether

806
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: or not he can, you know, carve out a role.

807
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of depth at that position and there's

808
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: a lot of proven veterans that are back, so it's

809
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: no guarantee, but he'd be one name and then I

810
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: think the other name. And this just speaks to what

811
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: you were hitting on with respect to the media going crazy.

812
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: Is Eric Dungey the quarterback out of Syracuse who now

813
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: everybody is immediately comparing to Taysom Hill, which I think

814
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: we're really getting ahead of ourselves. But did that really happen?

815
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: You didn't hear about that? I mean he was Petri

816
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: was even asked about that. I know it was a

817
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: question I didn't. I didn't hear the Taysom Hill there

818
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: was a question about that. You know, perhaps they view

819
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: him as a Taysom Hill esque type of flare because

820
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: he's listed as a tight end and a quarterback, even

821
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: though he really mainly worked out as a quarterback during camp.

822
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: And everybody is starting to speculate this is the direction

823
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: the NFL is headed. I think we're getting a little

824
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: too ahead of us. But it's possible. But and I'm

825
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: not saying that it's not feasible. But can we see

826
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: how camp plays out? Can we see him run some

827
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: routes as a tight end before everybody starts to think

828
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: that now we're gonna try to duplicate taston Ville everywhere else. Well,

829
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad you still need some time to contemplate in

830
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: my full st in my philosophy, and where we're going

831
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: here so obvious once you start reaching over there, I

832
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: know exactly where we're calling it. With respects. Precious seconds

833
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: being wasted away on this program as a result of this.

834
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: Charlie Hey John, Hey John, Yes, I don't even get

835
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: a greeting anymore. Wow, when you see nothing, then you

836
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: can see everything because you don't have any preconceived concepts

837
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: or notions that what you're looking for. So if you

838
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: don't do that, you see nothing. Charlie, be nice if

839
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: you follow your own advice, that would be interesting. What

840
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: isn't it? Hey? H And by the way, John, if

841
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: you need more help at the senior goal, I'm gonna

842
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: come out next year you opened up hands or his box.

843
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: And by the way, you know what the scary thing is.

844
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: It's actually open to fans and they sit with like

845
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the personnel and the recorders. It's honestly, if Charlie was

846
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: ever to try something like that, I Kim, I'm actually

847
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: even giving don't even recommend that. That would be booking

848
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: a flight to Mobile, Alabama right now so he could

849
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: tell the Giant's front office how Will beat he needs. Well,

850
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: he's well, no, I tell you, he is gonna find

851
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman in the stands. He's gonna sit next to

852
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: him and he's gonna bring out a little minilla folder.

853
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna have a bunch of Will Beatie pictures in

854
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: there from his like Twitter videos of him to say

855
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: out Mr and he say Mr. Gentleman, and they're gonna

856
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: bond immediately because of their Northeast New England accents to that.

857
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: I'll send him from Lobsters. He'll love me Lobsters. Yeah,

858
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: died everybody with Lobster. He'll love you until the minute

859
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 1: you open him out. Charlie Well said, Well, and here's

860
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: the other thing. The other thing that Charlie will recommend

861
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: is that he can also find the side gig as

862
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: part of the Giants training staff with Annaka, because he'll

863
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: be able to treat all the players. I would definitely

864
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: bring me there. You go, Well, I'm passing on another

865
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: selling point for you in case you needed assistance. Really

866
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: making a terrible mistaire more of a serious note, yes,

867
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: but is it every serious has just gone through with

868
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: Jack Rabbit went through a year ago when he lost

869
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: his best friend, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point.

870
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: That's a fair parallel. So hopefully he will Jack Rabbit

871
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: will be able to help him out a bit with

872
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: that life experience. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm hoping they you know,

873
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: he's maybe put in a call to him already. I

874
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: don't know, he might have, you know, but that I

875
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: think that would be really helpful when he comes into

876
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: camp though. I think that's a very valid point, you know.

877
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I would take it a step further. I

878
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: would say, anybody who unfortunately has had to deal with

879
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: some form of tragedy I think can relate to what

880
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: Ballantine is going through, whether it be a family member

881
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: of friend. And I mean, listen, I don't know the

882
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: history of everybody on the roster and what they've had

883
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: to deal with in their personal life, but I can

884
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: guarantee you that it's a lot more than generous Jenkins

885
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: that I'm sure it can help guide Corey Ballantine through

886
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: what he's going to have to deal with, at least

887
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: in the early stages of his rookie year. Yeah, definitely. Hey, John,

888
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 1: I just want to I was given some name for

889
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: a new secondary and I just wanted to throw a

890
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: couple out. Wait a minute, Hold on, Hold on a minute.

891
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: He tried this same phone call yesterday and I completely

892
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: shot him down. So but does he think does he

893
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: think that I don't don't exist anymore and that I

894
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: was just gonna let him maneuver in on the conversation, Charlie,

895
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: what do you think you're gonna pull a fast one? Charlie?

896
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: In fairness, Charlie isn't the first person that's tried to

897
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: pretend you don't exist. Well, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with

898
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: that sentiment, but listen, whether he pretends or not, I'm

899
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: still here. So he tried to pull this maneuver with

900
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: us yesterday and I completely shot it down. I mean,

901
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: he's going to give you one nickname after another. I mean,

902
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: this is not the cardoon. What do you what now?

903
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: What are you doing, Charlie? You come up with nicknames

904
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: for the secondary? Is that what you're trying to do?

905
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: And all you need is love? You want to listen

906
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: to this, enjoy the wait wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

907
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: wait to the Oh my god, Haley and juice like beetlejuice.

908
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: That's that secondary spectacular. Charlie's fantastic stuff. Stick to medicine, buddy.

909
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, called Charlie, thank you may be pushing

910
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: it to well. I wonder if you could do a

911
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: playoff of Baker. You can do like bal Like you

912
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: can do like Bill Baker and like you know, the

913
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: instead of candles, can be like Balentine, the Balentine Maker

914
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, and and and by the way,

915
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse on talk radio. I remember there was

916
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: a was it last year? I think at a point

917
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: in like March, there was like a week worth of

918
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: phone calls on w f A and about people trying

919
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: to nickname the Yankees lineup. I'm trying to come up

920
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: with like a like a New Murderers Road type of

921
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: nickname for them. And it was really some of the

922
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: most painful stuff I've ever had listened to in my

923
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: whole life. So let's not go there. Tevin in Miami,

924
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: We'll rescue us from Charlie. Tevin, what's up the first

925
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: time calling? Hey, thanks for calling? And seven what's on

926
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: your mind? Yeah? I wanted to talk about the office. Yeah,

927
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: I know that Ump and John Appeal, those guys would

928
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: be competing for a position. You know, I really believe

929
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: that specially put that job because like majority in the

930
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: second half were Bartley were getting no good runs. It

931
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: was coming from his side and he was finding good

932
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: tim screet with well was puny puny, and and then

933
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: there's those holes. And I wanted to ask about the

934
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: right tacle position, um, Chary, like, who do you think

935
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: will be starting there? Because Chad will He's okay, but

936
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: trying to consistent. So do you believe the seven round

937
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: pick would have that spot or the giant with Reagan

938
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: the veteran or how didn't think networking and listened off

939
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: to Eric to thanks for us, Hey, thanks for Corn

940
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: and Tavan, and then welcome to the show. Appreciate you

941
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: being with us. And I always like to have new callers.

942
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: So when you get less of Charlie, um, we welcome back. Yes, well,

943
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: let me say one thing about the centers. Hawapeo barely

944
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 1: played last year before he got a second game, and

945
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: he played when the offensive line was playing at its worst,

946
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: So I can't take a whole lot of what I

947
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: saw from him on the field during that time. You

948
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 1: would guys that were kind of in and out on

949
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: Mama had struggled that at that time. At right guard,

950
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers a story right tackle, her Nandez was just

951
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: getting started as a rookie. And then you know, eventually,

952
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: I think Greco was at center next right, and then

953
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: Pulley eventually took over for him, and then Polly finally

954
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: got some consistency. He had Jamal Brown to his right

955
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 1: here and as to his left, Wheeler wasn't right tackle,

956
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: and I think that group finally did come together a

957
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: little bit. So I'd like to see both guys be

958
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: given the opportunity to compete with Zeitler and Hernandez on

959
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: either side, which is a huge advantage that two good

960
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: guards on either side of you if you're center. So

961
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: I think that would be an honest competition. I honestly

962
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: can't tell you who I think will win, or deserve

963
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: to win, or I think should win. I want to

964
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: wait and see how it goes. I think that how

965
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: Apeo is probably stronger and more physical then Pulley, but

966
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: I think Polley, maybe since he's played the position longer,

967
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: is maybe a little bit better at the line calls

968
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: and it might be a little bit more mobile. So

969
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: that's how I would kind of classify the two guys

970
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: that Pulley had started for the Chargers, And remember he

971
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: was claimed right before the start of the season, So

972
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: that's reason why they went to Greco first, more so

973
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: than him John because he was still adapting and learning

974
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to do offensive scheme. He wasn't with the team for

975
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: all of training camp on like Greco and Hallapeo, and

976
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: he was gonna be kind of the swing guy, you know,

977
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: no exactly he was supposed to be somebody that can

978
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: be moved around and fill in at a variety of positions,

979
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: and once he was comfortable, clearly they handed him the

980
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: center job. But competition, to me is always a good thing.

981
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything bad about that. I think

982
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: they should let both of them compete, you know, give

983
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: them their fair share of reps during the preseason, and

984
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: let the best man win. And whoever doesn't win is

985
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: obviously going to be providing depth, you would assume on

986
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: the offensive line as far as the tackle spot. I

987
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: said this yesterday. I'll echo the sentiments again because I

988
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: don't know whether or not Tevin was tuning in. I

989
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: see it being Chad Wheeler versus a veteran that's not

990
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: on the team right now, in all likely versus player X,

991
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: and whether or not player X or Chad Wheeler wins

992
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: that remains to be seen. And by the way, Dave

993
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: Gentleman did happen to mention in his post chess press

994
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: conference that Mike Reremers was here dead checked in and

995
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: he's coming back from a back injury. So with a

996
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: guy with connections to Gentleman in Carolina and Sherman in Minnesota,

997
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: he's the veteran that I think a lot of people

998
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: immediately grabb to take towards, which I think would make

999
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: sense given his experience there. Yeah, but remember health is

1000
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: still a question mark with him, man. I think a

1001
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: lot of people need to understand that just because you

1002
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: walk in here and you have familiarity, you still need

1003
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: to prove that you're durable John, and you'll have to

1004
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: beat out Wheeler for the job. It's not as if

1005
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,959
Speaker 1: he's just gonna be handed it. I just think that

1006
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: it would help Wheeler if he's tested by somebody who

1007
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: maybe is a little bit more of a proven commodity.

1008
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Because let's face it, if you have Wheeler and a

1009
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: sapho Aj in here right now, you know you got

1010
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: to still young players. And I don't know if necessarily,

1011
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, that's what they want. I think they want

1012
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: maybe a veteran to come into the competition and push

1013
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, I'm not your and Big George

1014
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: for your folks out there that listen to Paul to

1015
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: Tino is necessarily a guy that they drafted with the

1016
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: expectation that he could step in right away your one.

1017
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: But they're gonna start him off at right tackle. That's

1018
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: the goal, But I think he's more of a developmental

1019
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: type of player, especially in a year with the Giants

1020
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: dressed to ten players and it's hard to fit that

1021
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: many guys on your roster. That's fair seventh round offensive

1022
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: lineman usually those guys, and there are exceptions to the role,

1023
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: and and maybe he'll be one. I mean, Wheeler was undrafted, right.

1024
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: Those guys are generally practice squad type of players, and

1025
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: wheel it wasn't gonna start right away. He only moved

1026
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: in it because they've moved on from our flowers. So

1027
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I look at that. By the way, folks,

1028
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: we got about ten minutes to go. We have a

1029
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: couple open lines if you want to get in at two, five, one,

1030
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: three or hashtag Giants chat on Twitter. Lines. Want to

1031
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: take a look at Twitter. Exactly what I was about

1032
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: with the old tweets, and we want to make sure

1033
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: every show that we do take your tweets, by the way,

1034
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: so make sure you get him in. We will have

1035
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: an official Twitter segment coming up, so make sure you

1036
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: get your tweets in. Anything you want to discuss with

1037
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. You got anything for me,

1038
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 1: Here's a question from A J. A A J. Marshall three,

1039
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: which player on offense will have a breakout year. He's

1040
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,760
Speaker 1: asking in terms of who has the potential to really

1041
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: make a name for himself. I we just focused on

1042
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: the offensive line. I don't know if I really label

1043
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: anyone unless you think Will Hernandez is gonna take a

1044
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: humongous step. He would be a candidate if you want

1045
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: to go that route. And Halla Peo is also another

1046
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: one if he does win the starting center job. But

1047
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a positional type of player

1048
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: that I would turn to, and Barkley already broke out,

1049
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: I would not necessarily label him. I think the two

1050
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: guys are Shepherd in Ingram right where I was going

1051
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: to go. I think Sterling is a good candidate. With

1052
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham not here, Sterling Shepherd, you know, additional targets,

1053
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: production could go up. He's somebody that I would certainly

1054
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: watch out for. Evan Ingram to me, once he got healthy.

1055
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: John at the tal end of last season, you saw

1056
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: that consistency and he could do. Beckham wasn't on the

1057
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: field either, which is also encouraging because you don't have

1058
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: any more of Odell Beckham on the rosters, so you

1059
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: know he's another one. If he could stay healthy, be

1060
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: within the group for an entire season, that would be

1061
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: somebody that I think warrants consideration in the conversation outside

1062
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: of that, I mean, do you think is it possible

1063
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: that there's another running back about Corey Holman Coleman if

1064
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: he becomes the third wide receiver. I mean, he's starting

1065
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: potential there. He's starting a low point. I mean him

1066
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: or Cody whoever that third receiver is going to be.

1067
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: Whether it's Coleman or Lattimer or one of the other

1068
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: guys that are on this roster competing for that spot,

1069
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: that could be a position where you get a breakout. Well,

1070
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,439
Speaker 1: and remember Coleman wasn't with the team all of last year.

1071
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: Let's see how the special teams competition plays out, John

1072
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: because I would include him in the special teams conversation

1073
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: as a return guy. Latimer too, by the way, who

1074
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: had kicks. And then you have Drew will Peppers in

1075
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: the mix there. Corey Ballantine was a guy in college,

1076
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of guys who gonna be

1077
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: in that mix, which is gonna be good again because

1078
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: once again you'd rather have multiple options. And how many

1079
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: times last season, by the way, did they turn to

1080
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: some players in special teams and then they got hurt.

1081
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: Jewel Davis for example, right, he got banged up. The

1082
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: kid from pitt The name escapes me, who was here briefly,

1083
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: who I thought did a really good job, Unfortunately couldn't

1084
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: stay healthy. I'll try to look up that name. But

1085
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 1: he's another one that comes to mind. So you had

1086
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: multiple options last year. Unfortunately, durability was a problem. So

1087
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: if they've gotten now four guys who we just mentioned,

1088
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: somebody goes down, you at least know, hey, we don't

1089
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: need to search for somebody on the street. There's somebody

1090
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: internally who already received some reps. I was expecting a

1091
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: belated trendon holiday reference. Well, I wasn't going to go

1092
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: there because unfortunately he didn't even get through camp because

1093
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: of the hamstring. Was a three four years ago. Now,

1094
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: trend holiday holiday was a good three or four years

1095
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: Quadri Henderson. He was gonna on and off the roster

1096
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the year, but then unfortunately got

1097
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: hurt at the end. All right, we got two more

1098
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: calls before he said goodbye. Let's go to Bruce up

1099
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: in the capital of the great state of New York.

1100
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: He's in all but Bruce, what's up? Oh, guys? Uh.

1101
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I was going to say that a good thing to

1102
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: do maybe is model what the Patriots have done. And

1103
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: I think Gentleman is doing that because if you look

1104
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 1: at well, Bruce, well, Bruce, I think first things first,

1105
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: that they gave up in the playoffs one sack against

1106
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: all those great defensive lineman give up one sack. Now,

1107
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: and it was a coverage sack, by the way, in

1108
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Yes, Now, something I learned from you

1109
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: that I didn't know that the Patriots only had about

1110
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: thirty sacks. Sacks they were tied with the Giants. Yeah.

1111
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: So gentleman goes out and draft three defensive backs and

1112
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: it brings in two more defensive back free agents. So

1113
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: people say he doesn't have a plan. I think that's crazy.

1114
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: You can see what he's trying to do. Yeah, I agree, Bruce,

1115
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: And trust me, he would have loved to draft a

1116
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: guy to affect the quarterback. He said it his press

1117
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: conference that it was painful from the pass and a

1118
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: guy like Josh Allen, So he values pass rush. Trust me,

1119
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: he wants pass rushers. But if you're not going to

1120
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: have an elite pass rush, you better be able to cover.

1121
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: And if you look at the Patriots, you're right. Over

1122
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: the course of the last decade, they haven't spent on

1123
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. They have spent on cornerbacks. So whether it's

1124
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: Joe Reevas, the mcquardy brothers, um, Stephen Gilmore, they've spent

1125
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: money on cornerback. So yes, that's a way to go

1126
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: pro ball. Pro Football Focus has kind of put a

1127
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: study together that when your defensive backs are graded higher, um,

1128
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: there's a more of a correlation to winning than when

1129
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: your pass rush is graded higher. But there is some

1130
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: uncertainty in that formula. So there is some data and

1131
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: analytics out there that point to the fact that coverage

1132
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: can sometimes be more important, uh than pass rush. But

1133
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 1: trust me, the Giants don't want to get the pass

1134
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: rush better. Another thing, too, is when you look at

1135
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: all the defensive lineman, everybody kept saying, won't win this

1136
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: game because the lineman they gotta face. Well, if you

1137
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: have a good offensive line, evidently it just nullifies r Well,

1138
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: I'll say this to Bruce, I don't know in the

1139
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,439
Speaker 1: Patriots situation, if it was that they had a great

1140
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: offensive line, or just that their offense is designed and

1141
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is so good that that ball gets out

1142
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: so quickly that they don't get there. And if you

1143
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: go back to the Super Bowl two years ago against

1144
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: the Eagles, he didn't get touched that whole game. They

1145
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: were at the five yards of offense until Brandon Graham

1146
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: finally got there on that final possession. And it's just

1147
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: their system. And I think what a lot of people

1148
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: will miss last year with the Giants, Bruce, is that, yes,

1149
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line got better in the second half of

1150
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: the year, but I think what a lot of people

1151
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: didn't notice is that their performance improved because the way

1152
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: Sharma ran his offense changed. You had much fewer straight

1153
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: drop backs. It was a lot more play action, which

1154
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: gives the offensive line a little bit of a break.

1155
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: So I think you're right. The Giants have now adjusted

1156
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: and we'll see how they come out this year. Maybe

1157
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: they'll try to get some of that straight drop back

1158
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: stuff back in because they have Zeitler and they think

1159
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: the offensive line is better. But I think the Giants

1160
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: did adjust their system where you are helping out the

1161
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: offensive line a little bit more likely to the second

1162
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 1: half of last year. I also think New England deserves

1163
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: credit for running the ball effectively in the postseason, specifically

1164
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, and the Giants want to do

1165
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, and I think that took pressure off

1166
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: of the offensive line in pass rushing situations. To your

1167
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: point that you were bringing up, you know, if they

1168
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: can nullify the pass rush, well, how do you unify

1169
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: the pass rush. It's not just getting rid of the

1170
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: football quickly, it's roaming it down the throats of the

1171
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: opponents of the run game. And that's what I think

1172
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: they did very well against the Rams. That's why I

1173
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: also think they're talking about our new quarterbacks arms strength.

1174
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: You don't see Darryl Lemonica back there throwing his arms strength.

1175
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: Fine twenty yard passes to somebody doing a crossing pattern,

1176
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: they run for another twenty yards. So this idea he's

1177
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna stand back there for five seconds and throw bombs.

1178
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Nobody does that. Yeah, Bruce Lucky. He doesn't

1179
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: have a Patching Mahomes arm. He doesn't have a Ben

1180
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger arm. He doesn't even have any line manning arm.

1181
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: But that's fine. You don't have to in order to

1182
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 1: in order to succeed. Thank you, Bruce, Bruce appreciated good stuff.

1183
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: And by the way, I would also like to clone

1184
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 1: Belichick and Brady. That would help modeling yourself on the Patriots. Yeah, well,

1185
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: I mean I got his point. There's more of a

1186
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: philosophy type of thing, and I agree with that, Yes, absolutely,

1187
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: And I think that's the point to with with with

1188
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: some of the analytics. When you have a dominant pass rusher,

1189
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: let's say he's on the field for fifty defensive snaps

1190
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: a game. Right, if you play, you know, fIF fifty

1191
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: out of seventy, which usually get right on a great day,

1192
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: you pressure the quarterback on eight or nine times, and

1193
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: that's let's say that the other team throws it thirty

1194
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: six times. Right, you're affecting the offense on the snaps.

1195
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: When you have a corner the other team throws it

1196
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 1: forty times, you guess you're affecting every single one of

1197
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: those plays. Now, the flip side of that for me,

1198
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: Lance is that you could have two or three great

1199
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: coverage guys in your secondary. If they find one or

1200
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: two weak links, it doesn't matter how good those other

1201
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: guys are, because these seems are just going to attack

1202
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 1: that weakness again and again not the case with the

1203
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: pass rush. Yeah. No, I think that's a very valid point.

1204
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 1: That's also a reason to me to help counter that.

1205
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: Why your safety play has to be important to provide

1206
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: that security blanket, John, And why if you have good

1207
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: cover guys on the back end who can help out

1208
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: the corners and also the linebackers, Because if you have

1209
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: a linebacker that can cover a tight end or cover

1210
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: a running back out of the backfield, that's one less

1211
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: option that they can maybe pick on. How often lands

1212
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: do we see teams say, all right, hold on these

1213
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: Patriot wide receivers, don't scare us. We're gonna get up

1214
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 1: in the line of scrimmers. We're gonna bump them, we're

1215
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: gonna jam them, and we'll challenge, you know, Julian Edelman

1216
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: to beat us over the top. Well, you know what

1217
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots do. They don't throw the ball to their

1218
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: damn wide receivers. They get Gronk one on one with

1219
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: the linebacker, they get James White one on one with

1220
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: a linebacker, and they go to work and in piecemeal

1221
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: they move down the field. You don't get brownie points

1222
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: if you go for the home run. If you put

1223
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: together an eight minute drive with fifteen plays and all

1224
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: it is is James White dump boss or five to

1225
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: six yards you're staying in front of the chains and

1226
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: you're moving the ball. What difference does so it makes

1227
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Tom Brady. Uh, the show has been brought

1228
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: to you by Corps Light. You want to thank them

1229
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: for being a sponsor of the show. Final call is

1230
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: Will in Houston. You'll wrap us up today. Hi Will, Hey, guys,

1231
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate taking thanks for calling in. Yeah, It's it's funny.

1232
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm every time I've ever code in, I've always been

1233
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: the last round. UM. I just want to talk about

1234
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: a couple of veteran free agents which you I know

1235
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: specifically mentioned the same really with Emmy Lands is pretty

1236
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: high on the past couple of months. Um. One thing

1237
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: that I thought it was pretty interesting. I think it's

1238
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: been talking about a whole lot is Shane Ray, Marcus

1239
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: Golden were actually majoury had pretty pretty good campaign Tails

1240
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: and fourteen. They were really really good team on one

1241
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: that SEC East team and uh, you know had up

1242
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: all the veteran free agents. I think that actually makes

1243
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to maybe bring him in at

1244
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: a at a you know, a you know, low risk. Yeah, well,

1245
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: I want to bring something up real quick, just just

1246
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: just to add on to your point. I'm not sure

1247
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: if you and Paul mentioned this on the show yesterday,

1248
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: but at four p m. Yesterday, uh, the deadline occurred.

1249
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: So any free agent signings that happened from here onwards

1250
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: do not affect the compensatory pick formula, which is especially

1251
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: important for the Giants because again this is unofficial and

1252
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: we don't know the formula and things can change, but

1253
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: losing land and Collins the way they did that could

1254
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: potentially nab them a third round compensatory pick, which is

1255
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: a big deal. You want to about modeling yourself after

1256
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: the Patriots. No one gets more compensatory picks than the Patriots.

1257
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: So signing one of those past rushers who could have

1258
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: canceled that Land in Collins before, now maybe it's a

1259
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: different situation, a different conversation. So yeah, I mean, okay,

1260
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: if you want to get with those guys on a

1261
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: on a low cost, no vrious type of thing, I'm

1262
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: all for that. But I'll say this too, Well, real quick,

1263
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: you have oceans him as Lorenzo Carter Cream Martin and

1264
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden all playing the same position unless you're gonna

1265
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: unseat one of those guys and make one inactive on

1266
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: game days. It's hard to carry five outside linebackers and

1267
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: edge rushers. It really is. I have no argument with

1268
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: that at all. Again, just bringing in more rotation guysition, competition,

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Speaker 1: and then the other one. This is the most notable.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's mentioning it is my my grimmer's potential signing them. Well,

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those things. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I actually come from background and strength conditioning. Then I'm

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Speaker 1: a therapist now to work a lot with athletes and

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, rehab, especially with backs, and I wouldn't downplay

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Speaker 1: the severity of of of a back surgery. I've actually

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Speaker 1: tried to do a little bit of research and figure

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00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 1: out what exactly it was, you know, it was It's

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Speaker 1: it's just it's it's just one of those things where

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00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: it's it's, uh, it's so hard to predict what that's

1280
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: going to be, especially with the movement mechanical always spending

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00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: and engine at the hip at the back as an

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00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: offensive linement. So it makes a lot of sense with

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00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 1: all of the connections between Gettlemen and Shomber and the

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00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: scheme and the system. But you know that may be

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00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's just trus to be true. Well, well,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen I haven't seen any reports willis to

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00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: exactly what the surgery was were you Were you able

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00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: to find that online or no? No, I don't think

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: that's been public, so, you know, I actually haven't. I

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Speaker 1: did a little bit. The only thing I saw is

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01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: said that it was a minor back surgery. There's no

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Speaker 1: such thing as a minor back surgery. By the last

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01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: it's the back. You know, you're you're preaching, brother, Yeah,

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01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, And again I don't want to what I

1295
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: think that wouldn't be fair, of course, of course, yeah,

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01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's just one of those things

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01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: where you don't want to you don't want to downplay

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: something like that, especially with a moving mechanic of vending

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: and hinging like what they have to do something well

1300
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: and will clear. But but if everything is clear, you know,

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: I think it makes a lot of sense to bring invent.

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01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: But again, I'm pretty high on those two players, and

1303
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: I would like to see them sign maybe before camp

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01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: starts something. Thank you all. I appreciate in the cap situation,

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that you know, they talked about how much

1306
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: they have left and get them and likes to carry

1307
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: some of that money into the season. So I don't

1308
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: think there's a ton of money floating around. But if

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: the right guy comes wrong for the right price, I'm

1310
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: sure they could figure out well. Because remember they signed

1311
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: a lot of free agents over the last few seasons.

1312
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: During the year, and you can't just all of a

1313
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,479
Speaker 1: sudden pull that money off of a tree. You gotta

1314
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: have it ready. You gotta at least anticipate there's gonna

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01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: be some injuries. There's gonna be some guys that you

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01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: need to reach out to. The only other thing that

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 1: I was going to add to what the last Cohler

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01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: said with respect to the back, and you know it

1319
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: shouldn't be taken lightly. The Giants have two examples in house.

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Speaker 1: J P. P is one guy who dealt with some

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Speaker 1: back issues, which, by the way, we should send out.

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Speaker 1: You know, hopefully JPP is doing well with that car

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01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: accidents that he had, and we hope he's doing okay

1324
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Speaker 1: considering all he's had to deal with during the course

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Speaker 1: of his career, specifically with injuries that don't even necessarily

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01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: relate to what's happening on the field. And you know

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01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: the other player that comes to mind that this was

1328
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: maybe more of a neck to Matthias keywan Nuka John,

1329
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: if you recall, was another guy that also battled backslash

1330
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: neck issues during his tenure. And you don't want to

1331
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: mess with that because you would reaggravate that you're out

1332
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: for potentially an entire season. It cannot be overlook. That's

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Speaker 1: why I said, I understand this narrative about Mike Remers,

1334
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: the familiarity with shermour geentleman, but the durability can he

1335
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Speaker 1: hold up? Where is he health wise? I mean, that's

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01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: got to be checked off. Remember they brought in Jake

1337
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: Long about a season or two ago and they were

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01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: checking him out and he also, you know, I had

1339
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: a lot of question marks in terms of the injury bug.

1340
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: So you gotta make sure that all of those marks

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01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: are checked off accordingly. Land's good stuff, absolutely, All right,

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Speaker 1: Folks were back tomorrow for another episode of Big Bookigle Alive.

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01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: Not me. I got a four day weekend ahead of me.

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm taken off a couple of days. I thought I

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01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: was gonna be able to relax. Then two nights ago,

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: my wife handed me a big list of things that

1347
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: need to get done around the house. So there goes

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01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: my vacation. Enjoy I'll see you on Monday. Folks. Have

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Speaker 1: a good one, Have a good one.