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Speaker 3: We're returning to the low coast of the Atlantic in
Speaker 3: just a few days, partially to look into allegations of
Speaker 3: mysterious shenanigans around the coast and swamps. But we remember
Speaker 3: our previous episode here right, previously on stuff they don't
Speaker 3: want you to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Crypti of India Part one right, yes, yep, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: And in it we discussed the intense biodiversity that India
Speaker 2: experiences and how cool that is and how there really
Speaker 2: might be undiscovered stuff out there, and there are a
Speaker 2: ton of rumors and myths and purported creatures already.
Speaker 4: There and always reminds me of that was it a
Speaker 4: Star Trek film. I believe the Undiscovered Country just the
Speaker 4: idea of like a wilderness so vast that there could be,
Speaker 4: you know, in the in the colloquial use of the
Speaker 4: word country, undiscovered parts of this unseen you know, jungle
Speaker 4: for this stuff, these kinds of things to thrive.
Speaker 3: And to that point about biodiversity. We're also going to
Speaker 3: bring some science to bear, some very exciting science that
Speaker 3: we can't wait to share with you that actually, in
Speaker 3: a weird way support some conspiracy realist arguments. We'd also
Speaker 3: before we begin, like to take a second and think
Speaker 3: truth is fiction? Why T on both Reddit and YouTube?
Speaker 3: Because truth is fiction?
Speaker 2: Why T?
Speaker 3: Your amazing cryptid map of India inspired a lot of
Speaker 3: our conversations last evening and this evening. Here are the facts.
Speaker 3: As as said earlier, India is legit amazing. At the beginning,
Speaker 3: you know, I was thinking, I was looking back on
Speaker 3: our India episodes. At the beginning of every episode we
Speaker 3: have ever done on this region, we have a meditation
Speaker 3: on the history of this modern country, the stunning biodiversity,
Speaker 3: the profoundly complex and sometimes problematic socio cultural dynamics of
Speaker 3: the many civilizations that have existed there over thousands of years.
Speaker 3: We're back at it. And I don't know about you guys,
Speaker 3: but when we first began looking into this, the idea
Speaker 3: of cryptids in India seemed kind of counterintuitive. It's one of,
Speaker 3: if not the most populous country on the planet right now,
Speaker 3: So how could people there somehow not have discovered every
Speaker 3: other type of life form in their borders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it just goes back to that whole point about
Speaker 4: how vast the wilderness is in that in that part
Speaker 4: of the world. We talked about our friend Mangesh, whose
Speaker 4: grandfather I believe was a high ranking official in the
Speaker 4: country's forestry commission or division or department or what have you,
Speaker 4: whatever they call it over there, and he pointed out
Speaker 4: to us just how insanely forested this part of the
Speaker 4: world really truly is. And there's lots of places where
Speaker 4: people just don't go well.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about humans. There could be a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of us in designated area, but we tend
Speaker 2: to clump up a whole bunch zoey.
Speaker 4: Species.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it likes itself, right, fire Fire makes friends, you.
Speaker 4: Know, line insists upon itself.
Speaker 2: And I think mostly we get bored real easily. So
Speaker 2: we want things to do, and generally other people mean
Speaker 2: things to do.
Speaker 4: I guess we need company. We get lonely. Really, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not We're not designed to be alone for you know,
Speaker 4: long periods of time and vast stretches of of of
Speaker 4: you know, area to wander alone. It doesn't really suit
Speaker 4: our temperaments. Some people love it, but the vast majority,
Speaker 4: I would say, not really suited for it.
Speaker 3: It calls to mind the idea of panatology, right, the
Speaker 3: study of death and the.
Speaker 2: Infiniti Stones, the sure Infinity Stones.
Speaker 3: Great in thanos is logic was very stupid, but it
Speaker 3: was a great series of films. The I want to
Speaker 3: shout out our pal Josh Clark in particular for recommending
Speaker 3: a book to me several years ago, Denial of Death,
Speaker 3: the argument being that all things humans do is primarily
Speaker 3: to distract themselves from the reality that they will die.
Speaker 3: This has taking a different direction.
Speaker 4: That's a bummer way of looking at just the old pastime.
Speaker 3: You know, we mentioned the book in previous episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll save you some time. That's the gist of it.
Speaker 3: They take a long time to get to it, but
Speaker 3: that's the gist.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's some good minutia in there. But when
Speaker 4: you really do think about it, the idea of a
Speaker 4: past time passing the time, it really is just kind
Speaker 4: of counting down the seconds until the ultimate end of
Speaker 4: time for us as individuals.
Speaker 3: And one thing we didn't mention in our previous explorations
Speaker 3: of cryptids in general, cryptids and India specifically. Indeed, the
Speaker 3: idea of mortality is a crazy fascinating fact. Species are
Speaker 3: going extinct at a higher rate than they are being discovered,
Speaker 3: which means that experts right now will tell you, in
Speaker 3: a best case scenario, human civilization knows only around twenty
Speaker 3: percent of the total unique species on planet Earth, which
Speaker 3: is a baffling. It's a wackadoo number. It's cartoonish. Only
Speaker 3: twenty percent, one fifth of all life the humans know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that includes the oceans, right.
Speaker 3: That includes the oceans, which of course skews you know,
Speaker 3: skews the metric quite quite a great deal because the
Speaker 3: humans do know more about the surface of the moon
Speaker 3: than they do know about the ocean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can even you know, for the most part,
Speaker 4: get to the most remote parts of the jungle. We
Speaker 4: might just not want to hang out there, and definitely,
Speaker 4: but as far as the ocean is concerned, we know
Speaker 4: what happens when people try to venture too deep and yeah,
Speaker 4: now what's the opposite of flying too close to the sun.
Speaker 4: You know, they kind of implode if we have tell
Speaker 4: then too deep? There you go, Yeah, we know. Anyway,
Speaker 4: what do we hear that? There was news about another
Speaker 4: kind of crackpot billionaire trying to make a sub to
Speaker 4: go deep, deep, deep down to the Titanic wreckage.
Speaker 3: Again everybody gets one can Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, there was a really funny meme where it was like,
Speaker 4: this person has the chance to do the funniest thing ever,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, implode again. I know, it's a
Speaker 4: bummer it. Memes can be a real.
Speaker 3: Dark Well, hopefully it will aid somehow the greater scientific endeavor, right,
Speaker 3: the great conceit that the world is worth understanding and
Speaker 3: indeed understandable. Scientists when they hear this, this stat of
Speaker 3: twenty percent of life being all we know, they take
Speaker 3: that personally. Speaking of memes, I heard that. I took
Speaker 3: that personally. This is where we go to Walter Jets
Speaker 3: and Mario Mora. They're both out of Yale, and they
Speaker 3: created this fantastic, like profoundly informative map slash model that
Speaker 3: reverse engineers the idea the assumption that humans only know
Speaker 3: twenty percent of Earth life, and they said, well, let's
Speaker 3: look at the other eighty percent. Let's figure out what
Speaker 3: the power of science where those unidentified creatures may live,
Speaker 3: and to make things possible. They took out maritime creatures entirely,
Speaker 3: and they took out invertebrate entirely. They just said, let's
Speaker 3: look at undiscovered terrestrial vertebrates. The end result of their project,
Speaker 3: which continues today, is something called the Map of Life,
Speaker 3: which sounds hyperbolic, but I'm gonna be honest, I think
Speaker 3: they aren't the title.
Speaker 2: It looks cool, and you know they're backing it up,
Speaker 2: these guys both from Yale. As you said, notorious members
Speaker 2: of the Secret Society Map and Life. That's a joke
Speaker 2: of that's not true, but no, it looks incredible. And
Speaker 2: if you take a look at India specifically on this map,
Speaker 2: it get there's some pretty big regions here. It's not massive,
Speaker 2: but it's well, you tell me, what do you guys see?
Speaker 2: I see it towards the bottom near Sri Lanka, so like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you call it? The foot of India?
Speaker 4: Sure, the horn? The reverse?
Speaker 3: There you go, the deally bop, Yeah, little toe. I'm
Speaker 3: sure Sri Lanka wants to be called as an independent country.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Sri Lanka wants to be called the toe
Speaker 3: of India. It's interesting the way this thing's coded. It's
Speaker 3: when you look at it zoomed out, it's like very pixelated.
Speaker 3: It's kind of an interesting choice of design for an infographic,
Speaker 3: but it does give you some really you know, granular detail.
Speaker 2: It makes it look like it's loading.
Speaker 4: I think I thought it was for the longest time, guys,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. And then I zoomed. I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that the text in the background was perfectly clear,
Speaker 4: and that as you zoom in, the blocks just get
Speaker 4: bigger and bigger, and it really shows you how massive
Speaker 4: this area is that we're talking about in the toe
Speaker 4: or the horn of India.
Speaker 2: But can we talk about the discovery potential that it
Speaker 2: outlines there? For like specifically it's got a pull down
Speaker 2: for amphibia, so amphibians, birds, reptiles, and mammals and if
Speaker 2: you click on like mammals that are undiscovered, so discovery
Speaker 2: potential to find a new species. What in this large
Speaker 2: pink area, it's ranging from zero point one six percent
Speaker 2: to zero point one nine percent, so very small percentage
Speaker 2: chance of finding a new one, but still it's higher
Speaker 2: than in most of the other regions.
Speaker 3: So you're saying there's a chance the estimation there to
Speaker 3: break down the percentage, right, there's that really cool color
Speaker 3: coded overlay with the drop down menu for mammalia, amphibia,
Speaker 3: aves or you know, birds and reptilia. That percentage, to
Speaker 3: my understanding, is saying this is the percentage of the
Speaker 3: total eighty percent. This is where that is most likely
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's as portion of yet to be discovered
Speaker 2: species in this class predicted by our models to be
Speaker 2: found within this specific cell on the map. Okay, that
Speaker 2: makes a lot more sense to me. Sorry, I'm probably
Speaker 2: misspoken that previous section. To call in and tell us
Speaker 2: how we got it wrong.
Speaker 4: We're all learning this together, I think for the most part,
Speaker 4: at least me and you Ben Mass have a better
Speaker 4: grasp on it. But I was with you. I was
Speaker 4: with you all on the way. Thank you Ben for clarifying.
Speaker 4: But it is an oddly designed graphic, But I think
Speaker 4: the design inherent in the design. It packs a lot
Speaker 4: of punch. It has a lot of like interesting like
Speaker 4: I said, granular detail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, d check it out. It's mol dot org. It's
Speaker 3: a fun thing to poke around and play with. Right,
Speaker 3: because it is a model, you can go through any
Speaker 3: part of the globe and look at what their model
Speaker 3: predicts for undiscovered terrestrial vertebrate. According to the Map of
Speaker 3: Life data, there are thousands of potentially undiscovered unique life
Speaker 3: forms in India, most of whom are likely to be
Speaker 3: reptiles or amphibians. And because we said vertebrate things with
Speaker 3: a spine, let's remember they're not really counting the insects.
Speaker 3: They're not really counting the maritime cryptids in the vast
Speaker 3: waterways and oceanic territory of India. This is amazing and
Speaker 3: we saved it for part two because it is scientific proof, right,
Speaker 3: or scientific I would say circumstantial evidence of cryptid existence.
Speaker 4: Well, I think a listener just wrote into us. Maybe
Speaker 4: it was on Instagram. I can't remember if it was
Speaker 4: to all of us, but asking about the Fermi paradox,
Speaker 4: and I'm certain that we've covered that in the past.
Speaker 4: We absolutely had to. But it's this idea of the
Speaker 4: discrepancy between the lack of one conclusive evidence of extraterrestrials
Speaker 4: compared to the overall likelihood of such creatures existing, and
Speaker 4: it makes me wonder if there is such a concept
Speaker 4: for cryptids, you know, like an earth bound I guess
Speaker 4: that's not really extraterrestrials, but they kind of are in
Speaker 4: the same ballpark, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a It's a little weird in this case though,
Speaker 2: because when we're talking about cryptids, generally there are tales
Speaker 2: or sightings or you know, a description or though I
Speaker 2: mean there are, yes, But in the models that we're
Speaker 2: talking about here we're referencing, we're talking about undiscovered I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's hard for me to square these two things,
Speaker 2: because you were talking about undiscovered species of let's say, amphibians, right,
Speaker 2: So these are amphibians that are likely very similar to
Speaker 2: other amphibians we've already categorized and named and all of that,
Speaker 2: but they're different enough to be a complete new species right.
Speaker 3: Right, a unique live form. There's also here's the connective tissue.
Speaker 3: If if you wrote to us on Instagram. Sorry we
Speaker 3: didn't see that on all of us. But the thing
Speaker 3: the connective tissue here, and I think the point you're making, Noel,
Speaker 3: is that there is a race toward classification against the
Speaker 3: ticking time bomb of extinction. Fermi's paradox is closely related
Speaker 3: to as we discuss links to previous episodes, the chasms
Speaker 3: of space and time, incorporating what's called the dark forest theory,
Speaker 3: shout out three body problem and then till I finish
Speaker 3: that it's worth it. And then, in my opinion and
Speaker 3: then the terrestrial version of that would be that this
Speaker 3: planet is currently living through the sixth mass extinction in
Speaker 3: its history. So we are we talk about this in
Speaker 3: earlier Cryptid episodes. We are more likely now than ever,
Speaker 3: thanks Fox News, to find unidentified creatures, and they are
Speaker 3: now more than ever likely to go extinct before we
Speaker 3: find them. So there is a bit of a paradox,
Speaker 3: and I do think there's a thematic relationship there.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I appreciate that, Ben, And also just to
Speaker 4: double up down on what Matt said, It's something that
Speaker 4: hadn't occurred to me because my brain was sort of
Speaker 4: reaching for the completely different species that are unrecognizably different
Speaker 4: from the ones we know. And Matt's point of the
Speaker 4: minute differences of what could be considered a quote unquote
Speaker 4: cryptid just because it's something that we don't know about,
Speaker 4: but it might not look that impressively weird. But I
Speaker 4: think today we're talking about some that would be considered
Speaker 4: impressively weird.
Speaker 3: But tales of tales of cryptids. One of our best
Speaker 3: examples from the previous episode was the tailed slow lorius. Yeah, Laurus,
Speaker 3: the lorus is real. This one is slow like another
Speaker 3: slow loris, and it's tail to exist, but it has
Speaker 3: to tail, so it became a tall tale of it.
Speaker 4: It's a bit of a wamp as far as the cryptis,
Speaker 4: but it's not. But it's a perfect example of we're
Speaker 4: talking about.
Speaker 2: We just had we have to keep an open mind
Speaker 2: because it doesn't discount though more out there ones either, right,
Speaker 2: so we we we just have to go into that
Speaker 2: with our eyes open.
Speaker 3: And so we have to ask, you know, armed with
Speaker 3: new technologies, scholarship and information, is it possible to begin
Speaker 3: parsing those legends and folk tales through the lens of science.
Speaker 3: In our previous episode, we discussed some of the most popular, prominent,
Speaker 3: well known, and plausible cryptids in all of India. Tonight,
Speaker 3: we are finally getting to the weirdest ones question. Fellow
Speaker 3: conspiracy realists, play along at home. Will your faithful correspondence
Speaker 3: be able to solve any of these crypto zoological mysteries?
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Speaker 3: Here's where it gets crazy. Yes, I'm gonna say it
Speaker 3: on record. We can't always say it in these episodes,
Speaker 3: but this evening we can I am confident solve at
Speaker 3: least one cryptozoological mystery. I mean also tales of cryptids.
Speaker 3: Forgive me for that pun, guys, but hashtag no pun
Speaker 3: left behind. You know, we know it is plausible to
Speaker 3: assume in India, the given the vast biodiversity here and
Speaker 3: the continued growth of the population, if actual cryptids exist
Speaker 3: in this region in particular, they may well be discovered
Speaker 3: in our lifetimes. And I'm not talking about just you know,
Speaker 3: like a little frog that has a different series of bumps.
Speaker 3: I'm talking like, hopefully a big one. I hope we
Speaker 3: fight a big one.
Speaker 4: The very least one with like an extra set of
Speaker 4: nostrils or something.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like a like a half man, half monkey.
Speaker 4: We teased this one in the last episode because I
Speaker 4: think I sort of not spoiled jumped the gun a
Speaker 4: little bit, and it just occurred to me because there
Speaker 4: was this film that was out recently by Dev Patel
Speaker 4: called Monkey Man that if I haven't seen it, but
Speaker 4: everything for everything I've read, it essentially capitalized his character
Speaker 4: capitalized on the myth of the monkey Man of New
Speaker 4: Delhi in order to strike fear into the hearts of
Speaker 4: his like opponents in the fighting pits. You know. So
Speaker 4: that was actually I think my first exposure to this myth,
Speaker 4: and it's a really interesting one. It's got some Scooby
Speaker 4: Doo vibes after a fashion.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, they're bigfoot like creatures, half man,
Speaker 3: half monkey. We're not so different to you, and I
Speaker 3: says the Sasquatch with an inexplicable British accent. Humans are
Speaker 3: humans anywhere you go. Of course, it turns out pretty
Speaker 3: much every civilization on this planet has had some sort
Speaker 3: of hairy wild man mythology, and for two examples, we're
Speaker 3: going to get to Pakistan in a moment, but I
Speaker 3: like the vibe here. Let's go with the monkey Man
Speaker 3: of New Delhi. It might be unfamiliar to I put
Speaker 3: Westerns in the notes, but I met westerners accountability moment. There.
Speaker 3: There was a straight up panic in the summer of
Speaker 3: two thousand that racked the city of Delhi. And this
Speaker 3: is a huge population, it's like nineteen million people, very
Speaker 3: dense urban environment, but they were convinced there was a
Speaker 3: murderous cryptid in their midst.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was during a series of pretty serious
Speaker 4: rolling blackouts, which you know obviously affects climate control. It
Speaker 4: was very, very hot, very very scary. People were not
Speaker 4: doing super well mental health wise during this period of time.
Speaker 4: And you know, when people are pressed in this way,
Speaker 4: it can lead to paranoia. It can lead to you know,
Speaker 4: not to say people were hallucinating or anything, but it
Speaker 4: can lead to perhaps seeing things that aren't entirely there,
Speaker 4: being unsure what it is that you're seeing, especially in
Speaker 4: the dark of night.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's something about cities, no matter how far
Speaker 2: advanced they are, no matter how early they are in
Speaker 2: human civilization, when you've got a city center, right or
Speaker 2: if we're talking about let's say Aztec mind civilization. You
Speaker 2: may not refer to those as cities, but it is
Speaker 2: a city, right, a bunch of people gathered together that
Speaker 2: live very close together. Light is so important when you've
Speaker 2: got that type of density, and especially when you have
Speaker 2: a more modern city where people are so closely packed
Speaker 2: in at night. First of all, if there's no light
Speaker 2: and then you're just hearing the sounds of so many
Speaker 2: other creatures that are most of them human near you,
Speaker 2: it can have a psychological effect. Add to that, the heat,
Speaker 2: which we know in previous episodes, has a tremendous psychological
Speaker 2: effect on human beings. When it's hot out, you want
Speaker 2: to get away from that generally, and if it's hot
Speaker 2: at night and you can't cool yourself down through the
Speaker 2: you know the ways that humanity has learned to cool
Speaker 2: itself down.
Speaker 3: In the heat of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 4: I mean you a sexy, sexy heat of the night.
Speaker 2: The tension that must have existed in that time in
Speaker 2: May two thousand in Deli, I can't imagine what it
Speaker 2: must have been like, because it's not like it was,
Speaker 2: you know, a blackout for a little time. You know,
Speaker 2: a couple hours. Then the utility came out. Everything was fine.
Speaker 2: We're talking especially about areas of Deli that we're poorer, right,
Speaker 2: that we're that just didn't have as many wealthy people
Speaker 2: because those folks had generators and stuff and they were
Speaker 2: GTG or whatever.
Speaker 4: Yes, good to go.
Speaker 3: Unpredictable rolling blackouts, so adding to the psychological horror, you
Speaker 3: don't have, for instance, the privilege and it is a
Speaker 3: privilege of knowing that the power will be in operation
Speaker 3: from say fifteen hundred to eighteen hundred. Right, you don't
Speaker 3: have that predictability. You just have to get the light
Speaker 3: while you can right, figure out the stuff that you
Speaker 3: can before the light's cut at some moment, and hope
Speaker 3: that scream in the distance is a fun scream and
Speaker 3: not a crime, a curry more we right, maybe an animal,
Speaker 3: you know, and you know, sometimes depending on what tragedies before, folks,
Speaker 3: it can be difficult to discern the difference between the
Speaker 3: scream of an animal and the scream of a human.
Speaker 4: Right. Well, and we're talking about too, I mean in
Speaker 4: any urban city center, especially in places that are maybe
Speaker 4: less expensive to rent and to live in. Usually people
Speaker 4: are kind of living right on top of each other,
Speaker 4: and so there really is that kind of almost hive
Speaker 4: mined mentality there as you start to maybe experience vicariously
Speaker 4: through others that fear creeping in. You know, you can
Speaker 4: create a panic because you are so close to others
Speaker 4: that might be themselves panicking.
Speaker 3: And this is not to pick on Delhi in any way.
Speaker 3: We see this. We see the broad strokes of this
Speaker 3: occur in multiple urban environments throughout history. Check out you know,
Speaker 3: for instance, Jack the Ripper, Springhill Jack in the UK.
Speaker 3: I guess now I'm just picking on the British. But
Speaker 3: Deli police started receiving these complaints that there was a savage,
Speaker 3: unidentified attacker harassing communities and what we could call the
Speaker 3: Delhi metro area. And the complaints started coming in on
Speaker 3: May tenth, two thousand, right in step with these blackouts
Speaker 3: and this miserable weather. Immediately after the police started to
Speaker 3: profile the attacker. The more they learned about it, the
Speaker 3: more confusing it became, and they identified you know, first off,
Speaker 3: you want description, you wantm all. The attacks took place
Speaker 3: at night, never during the day. There was never any
Speaker 3: surveillance footage, which also kind of makes sense because the
Speaker 3: power was out. There were never any still photos, so
Speaker 3: they had to rely on our favorite thing, eye witnessed descriptions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this isn't one person's description that says it
Speaker 2: was a guy who was also kind of a monkey.
Speaker 2: We're talking about around three hundred and fifty individuals or
Speaker 2: let's say, individual sightings of this thing, this person, whatever
Speaker 2: it was, and the majority of those sightings did agree
Speaker 2: that this guy, whoever it is, was kind of kind
Speaker 2: of monster like there was an ape like quality to
Speaker 2: this person. I forget it was like one meter to
Speaker 2: one point eight meters, so like three feet to six
Speaker 2: feet tall. Yeah, and hairy, right, and no in red eyes.
Speaker 3: Here's suit red eyes like you know, if you've ever, uh,
Speaker 3: if you've ever taken a picture of an animal where
Speaker 3: the light refracts the wrong way, like kind of glowing eyes.
Speaker 3: And then of course arms, the arm to leg ratio
Speaker 3: being longer than that of your average homo sapien. And
Speaker 3: so the I love that you're pointing this out, Matt.
Speaker 3: It was not just one person, you know, calling in
Speaker 3: to coast to coast or something. It was multiple people
Speaker 3: who said they were being attacked by this thing that
Speaker 3: was not quite a human and allegedly.
Speaker 2: At first, right at first, at least well while you're here,
Speaker 2: let's say we're still around May tenth. The first descriptions
Speaker 2: are really eerie because it's not like people are talking
Speaker 2: to each other about this yet. It's not like anybody
Speaker 2: knows about this. These are just the first reports that
Speaker 2: are coming in.
Speaker 3: And they also included another allegation, an allegation of dare
Speaker 3: I say, superhuman abilities because just like a Desi spring
Speaker 3: heeled jack, this monkey man Hanuman, you might say, right, this,
Speaker 3: whatever this thing is, it allegedly has this superhuman ability
Speaker 3: to leap away from the crime scenes. It's not running,
Speaker 3: it's jumping from the ground to the top of a
Speaker 3: building and then off to the rooftops, like that old
Speaker 3: Spider Man game on PLAYSTATIONE. Yeah, or Assassin's Creed.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned Hanuman because in my head, I
Speaker 4: knew that there was some connection to like, you know,
Speaker 4: a one of the pan antheon of Hindu gods, and
Speaker 4: Hanaman is a Hindu god who's half monkey and half human,
Speaker 4: but is a good god. It's considered a protector and
Speaker 4: is actually often his image is placed at the entrance
Speaker 4: of homes of Hindu homes and is considered a grantor
Speaker 4: of boons and.
Speaker 3: A warder of evil word offer of evil.
Speaker 4: So this is like a good dude, you know. So
Speaker 4: I just oftentimes when we see this hysteria around a
Speaker 4: cryptid and reports of it, it often is tied to
Speaker 4: some cultural kind of boogeyman, right, and so this isn't
Speaker 4: that exactly right? It's interesting. I don't know, I wonder
Speaker 4: what you guys make of that.
Speaker 2: Well, Hanamon also had superpowers like could jump really far
Speaker 2: across an entire giant raging river or.
Speaker 4: Jack you up. Though he'd like, you know.
Speaker 2: If you were a bad guy, he would.
Speaker 3: Just if you violated the wrong con after you.
Speaker 4: I also accounts this is a dude that's messing with
Speaker 4: good people. This is messing with you know.
Speaker 2: It's not a costing random people in their homes during
Speaker 2: a blackout.
Speaker 3: Monkey monkey economs, monkey gods are a very common thing
Speaker 3: in this part of the world. Right, then there are
Speaker 3: tons of really good movies coming out of China about
Speaker 3: monkey kings.
Speaker 2: This does most of them are based on honomon right,
Speaker 2: I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's yeah, That's what I'm saying. It's a very
Speaker 3: common thing, and these exist in the zeitgeist. These people
Speaker 3: would have seen these things, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: There's also a feedback loop that occurs. Local media covers
Speaker 3: this without pause. They want the clicks right and the
Speaker 3: descriptions to your earlier point, Matt. They begin to become
Speaker 3: more fanciful. We start seeing the game of telephone.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, one of these attacks has Freddy
Speaker 3: Krueger like clause right, and then more of those descripts
Speaker 3: later include or subsequently include Freddy Krueger like claws. And
Speaker 3: then we see stuff saying, oh, it's a guy wearing
Speaker 3: a leather jacket donating dotting a motorbike helmet, classic honomon.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it was that guy the whole time.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, not to you know, rain on
Speaker 4: the parade, but it does strike me. I know we're
Speaker 4: going to get into this, this crime of opportunity, you
Speaker 4: know of more of like the ability to roll people
Speaker 4: kind of in the dark and capitalize on their fears,
Speaker 4: and then maybe a copycat element to it as well,
Speaker 4: which I know you wrote about, Ben, and we're gonna
Speaker 4: get to But this is when I start to think
Speaker 4: about Scooby Doo, where every time there's a ghost or
Speaker 4: a cryptid or a monster in Scooby Doo, it's always
Speaker 4: just some jerk that's capitalizing on people's fears and suspicions
Speaker 4: of the existence of some kind of boogeyman, you know,
Speaker 4: and then you know it's every time.
Speaker 2: But you know what, the villains and Scooby Doo always
Speaker 2: have a motive, that's true, a reason to do it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when you when you watch the AP newsreel that's included
Speaker 2: that that you can find for these monkey man attacks
Speaker 2: in Delhi in two thousand, there are people showing off
Speaker 2: scars and injuries and it's usually like a small scrape
Speaker 2: on their back or their arm, or a tiny child
Speaker 2: that a mom is holding up that has you know,
Speaker 2: their head wrapped into and it's just it's like small
Speaker 2: again I use the word a cost because it's like
Speaker 2: it's almost like somebody jumped in and popped you it good,
Speaker 2: in the in the arm or in the back, hit
Speaker 2: you in the back and maybe punctured a little bit
Speaker 2: if they had a tiny claw or something.
Speaker 4: And took off.
Speaker 3: It's not an amputation there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not murders. There's not robberies. Often there's not
Speaker 2: a motive I guess for why these attacks would occur, which.
Speaker 4: Is strange, very joker like though. It's just like sewing chaos,
Speaker 4: you know, just the idea of capitalizing on this bad
Speaker 4: situation and deciding to terrorize people, which is inherently you know, psychotic.
Speaker 3: I would say it has a lot. It sort of
Speaker 3: functions as a precedent to those really crappy TikTok pranks
Speaker 3: of sucker punching people. But this was not documented. These
Speaker 3: reports clearly indicated to law enforcement that something was rotten
Speaker 3: in this part of India, to paraphrase Shakespeare. So they
Speaker 3: were in a terrible position. They created a reporting hotline
Speaker 3: and they offered the equivalent of about one thousand US
Speaker 3: dollars for information that could lead to the capture of
Speaker 3: the now infamous monkey man, and that was about fifty
Speaker 3: thousand rupees at the time two thousand and Now we
Speaker 3: have to pause and say, a hotline for a cryptid
Speaker 3: run by the cops. This creates a panic feedback loop,
Speaker 3: especially amid the poor residents of the area who will
Speaker 3: get some stats on them in a second. But you know,
Speaker 3: by and large. These folks could not afford their own
Speaker 3: backup generators, so instead they were forced to tremble through
Speaker 3: those hot, dark nights, hoping the moon was full to
Speaker 3: shed some light, wondering whether this was the evening the
Speaker 3: Monkey Man would come for them. And this had real
Speaker 3: world consequences. There were mob beatings. One poor van driver
Speaker 3: just in the wrong place at the wrong time. This
Speaker 3: mob decides that he is the monkey Man. They surround
Speaker 3: his vehicle, they drag him out of his van, and
Speaker 3: they beat the snot out of him. He goes to
Speaker 3: the hospital. Multiple bones are broken. And then one guy
Speaker 3: runs onto a roof because he's trying to escape what
Speaker 3: he feels is an attack by the monkey Man. And
Speaker 3: then later in a panic, he falls and he dies.
Speaker 3: He falls from the roof and dies. And then worst
Speaker 3: one that we found in this all common reporting, there
Speaker 3: was a woman who was pregnant and she thought she
Speaker 3: was gonna She thought she was under attack from this
Speaker 3: infamous monkey Man. She tried to run, she fell down
Speaker 3: a flight of stairs, she died, and the child was
Speaker 3: lost as well. Again real world consequences.
Speaker 2: She shout out that I don't know if you guys
Speaker 2: read the same one. It was the historic Mysteries article
Speaker 2: on this. She just had a lot of good stuff
Speaker 2: and it's titled who was the Monkey Man of Delhi?
Speaker 2: It's really good bye Royson Everard.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hazard a guess this isn't the one that
Speaker 4: we're going to solve today.
Speaker 3: Well, we have some interesting circumstances here, some contexts that
Speaker 3: needs to be provided, because after two weeks, the panic
Speaker 3: that swept Delhi subsided gone essentially And there was a
Speaker 3: great study in the Indian Journal of Medical Science in
Speaker 3: two thousand than three, so a few years after this incident,
Speaker 3: and they dove into the social context of this. Ninety
Speaker 3: four percent of the reports of Monkeyman came from the
Speaker 3: poorest region of Delhi. And of those reports, eighty nine
Speaker 3: percent came from people with what we would consider an
Speaker 3: impoverished background. Or I mean it's India, so it's socioeconomics,
Speaker 3: so also lower cast. The cast system is its own
Speaker 3: bag of badgers.
Speaker 4: Still very real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then maybe this led the experts and law
Speaker 3: enforcement later to say, maybe the media kind of fan
Speaker 3: the flames here. Maybe there were criminals who decided it
Speaker 3: was hunting season or was open season because they could
Speaker 3: just attribute whatever they do to the legend of the
Speaker 3: Monkey Man. And then also the heartbreaking part is maybe
Speaker 3: there were people who made up their own Monkey Man
Speaker 3: stories in an attempt to get access to medical care.
Speaker 2: Ooh no, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's just heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: It matches up with again, just the footage that you
Speaker 2: can see where there are people showing off what appeared
Speaker 2: to be two very strange bite marks and a huge
Speaker 2: scrape that looks like it's going to get infected. And
Speaker 2: I can let's just let's say, I can imagine that
Speaker 2: if you scraped your back really badly, you fell off
Speaker 2: a moped or something, you fell off a bike, whatever,
Speaker 2: you got scraped up, you can't access healthcare for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: but you come in with a report of this, or
Speaker 2: you make it look like you got attacked in a
Speaker 2: different way. I could totally see that being a plausible explanation.
Speaker 4: To a point though, right because it's got so overwhelming
Speaker 4: and the you know, law enforcement and medical infrastructure just
Speaker 4: couldn't support the burn of the absolute deluge of calls
Speaker 4: reporting this kind of stuff, so.
Speaker 3: Much so that eventually, again a few weeks in law
Speaker 3: enforcement went back on their note about the hotline, and
Speaker 3: they said, look, if you are making fraudulent claims, or
Speaker 3: you are distributing misleading information, or you're reporting attacks without proof,
Speaker 3: then you are going to be in trouble. It's not
Speaker 3: going to be a fine. We will put you in jail.
Speaker 3: And we have to understand in the context of this,
Speaker 3: if someone goes to jail in some of these family groups,
Speaker 3: then the entire family is massively screwed. So this is
Speaker 3: an existential threat to a bloodline. Don't fib about monkey Man,
Speaker 3: and then just like that, as a result, the Monkey
Speaker 3: Man disappeared. We mentioned previously the works of fiction that
Speaker 3: perhaps inspired panic. We also mentioned the film dep Ptel's
Speaker 3: film that came out in April of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: But we haven't even gotten guys. We're almost forty minutes in.
Speaker 3: We haven't even gotten to Pakistan and the bar Men, oh,
Speaker 3: which I like to call We have Bigfoot at home.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but before you get there, just do more
Speaker 2: quick points here. The first one is we saw something
Speaker 2: similar with a hotline with a reward attached when we
Speaker 2: were making Atlanta Monster. We're in the early eighties. The
Speaker 2: Atlanta Police Department and the FBI set up a tip line,
Speaker 2: so if you had any information on whoever this person
Speaker 2: was that was kidnapping children and killing them, call in
Speaker 2: tell us and you'll get a reward if it leads
Speaker 2: to an arrest, right, And there were so many calls
Speaker 2: that basically the task force just was in was so inundated.
Speaker 2: They had to track down each one because each one
Speaker 2: might actually be real, which means all the time, the
Speaker 2: man hours that you pay this huge task force just
Speaker 2: got eaten up.
Speaker 4: There's a balance there, though it starts to be like
Speaker 4: it's more trouble than it's worth. It's the same with
Speaker 4: Zodiac That was the thing too, right, there was that
Speaker 4: wasn't a reward, I don't believe, but there was a
Speaker 4: hotline at least the newspaper and there you know, it's
Speaker 4: depicted in the film, just getting all these crank cranks
Speaker 4: calling it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they tried to set him up to actually
Speaker 2: call in in the Zodiacs case, but in that case
Speaker 2: it was just a huge resource drain. In this case,
Speaker 2: I can imagine how if you know, one thousand dollars
Speaker 2: may not sound like a lot to you listening, that
Speaker 2: is a huge amount of money for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: so the desire to do something in some way to
Speaker 2: get that reward. I can just imagine that that would
Speaker 2: be a highly desirable thing.
Speaker 3: Add this is again only one example of bigfoot like
Speaker 3: or primate esque cryptids in this region. We're going to
Speaker 3: pause for a word from our sponsors, and when we
Speaker 3: return we'll learn and why we say Pakistan said we
Speaker 3: have bigfoot at home.
Speaker 4: And we've returned with the bar menu of Pakistan. Pakistan?
Speaker 4: Is that right, Ben the Barmanu? Yeah, yeah, we do
Speaker 4: have big foot. Oh that's a meme right where it's
Speaker 4: sort of like a janky version of the real thing.
Speaker 4: Isn't that kind of the joke there? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 4: there's one where it's like we have Pink Floyd at
Speaker 4: home and it's like this dude playing Katsio keyboard and
Speaker 4: seeing this weird version of another brick in the wall.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the bar menu of Pakistan. The word itself
Speaker 4: comes from the Koar language Kawar language, and it roughly
Speaker 4: translates to forest man. So we go from monkey man
Speaker 4: to forest man and bore were we teasing all these
Speaker 4: forests that there could be, you know, strange and unusual
Speaker 4: and undiscovered species lurking in around India. So here we
Speaker 4: are in the shadowy darkness of the forests.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this creature is fascinating. Just like the Orang Pandak
Speaker 3: erpendek and the orangutang right which has proven to exist.
Speaker 3: This creature is alleged to possess traits of humans and
Speaker 3: non human apes. This one, in particular real rough customer,
Speaker 3: infamous for attempting to abduct women for the purposes of mating. However,
Speaker 3: unlike a lot of campfire tales, this one got some
Speaker 3: real scrutiny. We want to introduce you to a Spanish zoologist,
Speaker 3: Yordi Margrener. For three years he searched for this wild
Speaker 3: creature of Pakistan from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: He then continued to search throughout the nineties up until
Speaker 3: he was murdered during this search in Afganistan in two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, and he was boots on the ground
Speaker 3: interviewing folks who felt they had seen this thing. The
Speaker 3: way they describe it is very strange, because they said
Speaker 3: the creature was capable of processing animals like it wore
Speaker 3: animal skins, it war hides. It apparently domesticated or tamed
Speaker 3: dogs and horses. Those are very human things to do,
Speaker 3: and there's so much more to the story. But the
Speaker 3: plausible verdict I would argue is this, the craziest plausible verdict,
Speaker 3: is that a human or group of humans living off
Speaker 3: the grid in the wild may have become mistaken for
Speaker 3: unknown or non human creatures due to their behavior.
Speaker 4: You mentioned the Iraan Pendak also comes to mind the
Speaker 4: Iran Minnac of Malaysia, which was the oily Man or whatever,
Speaker 4: which also was accused of sexually assaulting women and purported
Speaker 4: to have a animal perhaps you know, ape like qualities
Speaker 4: and covered in a sheene of either fur or like
Speaker 4: oily kind of stuff. Since so a lot of this stuff,
Speaker 4: there is that even game of telephone that happens between
Speaker 4: large stretches of distance in the world.
Speaker 2: I was reading a forum of all things, which, right,
Speaker 2: it's somebody wrote on a forum somewhere at some point,
Speaker 2: but they were talking about the death we mentioned, right,
Speaker 2: this this person who spent a lot of time looking
Speaker 2: for this creature was murdered and according to this forum, well,
Speaker 2: I'll give you the moderator's name, Rescue Ranger. That's a
Speaker 2: person who made this post. Yeah, he said that this
Speaker 2: guy Magriner was killed by his servant boy on the
Speaker 2: orders of local militants. It says, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: And then we know if it's Afghanistan and shout out Tony.
Speaker 3: I've gotten conspiracy realists listening to this. But we know
Speaker 3: there is an unclean conspiracy that is pretty ancient continues
Speaker 3: today in that part of the world, which is systematized,
Speaker 3: normalized abuse of children. If you want to ruin your day,
Speaker 3: look up Batci Basi. Do you guys know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 4: I don't. I'll save it for a day.
Speaker 2: I want to ruin Yeah don't. We We've talked about
Speaker 2: it on the show.
Speaker 4: For it, I must have blocked it out a good
Speaker 4: thing to block out, yeah, probably.
Speaker 3: But the idea then, the idea of being to you,
Speaker 3: ranger Rick, if you're tuning in, the idea being that
Speaker 3: maybe this child was weaponized in that kind of system
Speaker 3: of abuse.
Speaker 2: But yeah, who knows. It's just a strange story. And
Speaker 2: you know, we we want to find a bigfoot somewhere. Please,
Speaker 2: somebody out there, find.
Speaker 4: A big foot.
Speaker 3: You know, if you got big feet, maybe you can
Speaker 3: count you know, be the change We we could also
Speaker 3: move on to something a little more positive, right, a
Speaker 3: bit more historical, nerdy, straight up unicorns. That's right, the
Speaker 3: last unicorn all your favorite fairy tales. The Indis Valley
Speaker 3: unicorn is endlessly fascinating. It is described as though it
Speaker 3: is a real biological creature. Very long ago. We mentioned
Speaker 3: plenty in an earlier episode. He writes about the unicorn
Speaker 3: in a way, I'm gonna be honest with you folks,
Speaker 3: in a way that is just realistic enough to me
Speaker 3: to think maybe it was real, because it's not pretty.
Speaker 3: It's not a pretty description. Do we want to do
Speaker 3: the quotation?
Speaker 2: The fiercest animal is the unicorn, which in the rest
Speaker 2: of the body resembles a horse, but in the head
Speaker 2: a stag, in the feet an elephant, and in the
Speaker 2: tail a bore. It has a deep bellow and a
Speaker 2: single black horn three feet long, projecting from the middle
Speaker 2: of the forehead. They say that it's impossible to capture
Speaker 2: this animal alive.
Speaker 3: So it's a real clomper. Yeah, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: real that's our that's our quadruped bigfoot. Apparently it is
Speaker 3: not sexy. It's not that virgin, loving, graceful equine of
Speaker 3: myth and legend in the West.
Speaker 4: It does not think friendship is magic. It does not
Speaker 4: know it's coming.
Speaker 3: For you, and it's instead you know what strikes me
Speaker 3: here is it's like the ivan Drago of unicorns. It's
Speaker 3: essentially an ox with a big, murderous fighting horn and
Speaker 3: it just sort of goes, you know, instead of.
Speaker 4: It'll do that Mortal Kombat finishing move where it just
Speaker 4: skewers you and then tilts its head up so your
Speaker 4: body slowly slumps down, sinks into the horns, and then
Speaker 4: just sort of shakes you off. And it's this fatality
Speaker 4: on the screen. That's what this fellow would do.
Speaker 3: There is additional historical context, though, because it's not just
Speaker 3: one guy, well the most famous historian of the time.
Speaker 3: It's not just one person writing about this. This is
Speaker 3: I was thinking of the best way to say this
Speaker 3: for everyone listening tonight. Imagine if Bigfoot was the national
Speaker 3: symbol of a country in the modern evening, you know,
Speaker 3: like pick a country and they say, you know what
Speaker 3: represents us our national animal? Beat me here, Paul, Bigfoot,
Speaker 3: that's us. That's our country. That's what indiscivilization did with
Speaker 3: this unicorn. And the depictions of it are surprisingly consistent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the what is it the Mohenjo Daro the unicorn
Speaker 2: seal That this thing is really interesting looking. It's got
Speaker 2: it doesn't have feet like an elephant. I wouldn't say,
Speaker 2: I don't even know about the boar tale, but it's
Speaker 2: got almost it almost looks rhino like in the face
Speaker 2: to me, or something thing or zebra like. It's depicted
Speaker 2: with stripes almost in that big horn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's found throughout all these seals of
Speaker 3: the Harappan civilization as well what we would call loosely, uh,
Speaker 3: the Indus Valley civilizations, and these seals which are pretty
Speaker 3: common for their time. They date back to three thousand
Speaker 3: to fifteen hundred BCE, and they heavily feature this unicorn.
Speaker 3: It's the most common motif in these Indus seals overall.
Speaker 3: And like you were saying, if you look at the
Speaker 3: photo link of the seal, you can find it pretty easily.
Speaker 3: Just go to Harrappa dot com. That's h A r
Speaker 3: a pp a dot com. You can see the gallery
Speaker 3: which depicts the thing. The one that we pulled for
Speaker 3: this has a penis uh. Okay, well, the one I
Speaker 3: put in the notes there is interesting because it has uh,
Speaker 3: it has what appears to be some sort of human
Speaker 3: made like feeding troth or chalice with decorations, so it's.
Speaker 4: Possible snout like almost like the bore part. Yeah, to
Speaker 4: your point, Matt, there are lots of different versions of it,
Speaker 4: but I'm looking at one that's engraved in either like
Speaker 4: a coin like surface, like you know, it's etched into it,
Speaker 4: and it also appears to have kind of side boobs.
Speaker 3: It's like the way just to finish this one part,
Speaker 3: the idea here implies that there may have been domestication,
Speaker 3: that humans may have been making something to feed it.
Speaker 4: And then to your point, like and Matt, maybe to
Speaker 4: some of the confusion that maybe folks that are looking
Speaker 4: at diferent versions of this might be experiencing. There are
Speaker 4: ones that look just like straight up like an ox,
Speaker 4: and there's ones that look straight up more like an elephant.
Speaker 4: But then they are the ones that are kind of
Speaker 4: the more proto version of the unicorn type thing we're
Speaker 4: talking about. So maybe we're seeing depictions of what would
Speaker 4: be the product of domestication, right.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: So the thing we're saying off air is that there
Speaker 3: is a large enough window of time that it is
Speaker 3: possible something like this did exist and then went extinct. Right,
Speaker 3: We know that different domesticated animals have gone extinct or
Speaker 3: tamed animals.
Speaker 4: Can We also point out too, that some of these
Speaker 4: were looking at a profile picture of it, which makes
Speaker 4: it look like it only has one horn, But if
Speaker 4: it was a front picture, you might be seeing two horns.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there are other images of it where
Speaker 4: it has definitely has two horns, but it's a different perspective.
Speaker 4: But a lot of these were looking at a side
Speaker 4: image where you might just be seeing the profile of
Speaker 4: the one horn because they're kind of lined up and
Speaker 4: they'd be blocking the view of the other horn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't really fact check at this point
Speaker 3: in history ratching, Yeah you really care. There are like
Speaker 3: four libraries and the public's not allowed in them. So
Speaker 3: obviously there's not a Wikipedia shout out to wiki. But
Speaker 3: for a cryptid to appear so commonly in state level
Speaker 3: artifacts for so long and so long ago, it is
Speaker 3: not unfair to ask could this have been a real creature?
Speaker 3: And of course, if you have cited a steroided up
Speaker 3: unicorn in your neck of the global woods. We would
Speaker 3: love to hear about it. Please don't try to fight it,
Speaker 3: just take a picture. As always, be respectful of wildlife.
Speaker 4: Ben, do you think you could PvP a unicorn?
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, not that kind, absolutely not, not the roided
Speaker 3: up variety. No, and you shouldn't. But one thing that
Speaker 3: I think, unfortunately everybody listening has killed is a spider.
Speaker 3: So in our pals cryptid map of India, one thing
Speaker 3: that stood out to a several of us is the
Speaker 3: idea of bioluminescent spiders. And the weird thing is India
Speaker 3: has a ton of bioluminescent life. It also has a
Speaker 3: ton of spiders, many of which scientists believe are as
Speaker 3: of yet not identified. So could it be possible that
Speaker 3: India has glow in the dark spiders.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all it's Avatar's heck over there.
Speaker 4: Well you know nowhere else is avatars heck be. We've
Speaker 4: also talked about it and maybe even done episodes exclusively
Speaker 4: on Australia has tons of bioluminescent stuff. There's the whole
Speaker 4: Bioluminescent Beach in Jarvis Bay where you see these these
Speaker 4: things that wash up and they freaking seriously glow in
Speaker 4: the dark, and there's also bioluminescent like stones and all
Speaker 4: kinds of crazy stuff. So this feels very similar adj
Speaker 4: Simpson to me anyway, And.
Speaker 3: Far more animals are bioluminescent than we might assume fellow
Speaker 3: non biologists. In fact, the humans have their own little
Speaker 3: bioluminescent glow which is pretty neat. Everybody's got a little
Speaker 3: bit of the shining. Shout out Stephen King. India has a.
Speaker 4: Shinning do you want us get us seed?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: India has entire, entirely bioluminescent forests. They're not that way
Speaker 3: all the time. It depends on the monsoons, but they
Speaker 3: occur especially in an amazing part of the country called
Speaker 3: the Western Goths g h A t S. So we
Speaker 3: know another fact, which is bioluminescence is real. Bacteria, fungi, fungi,
Speaker 3: al algae, insects, and some aquatic animals all exhibit this.
Speaker 3: The process is well understood. It is a chemical reaction
Speaker 3: occurring within the organism wherein different chemical energy sources are
Speaker 3: converted into radiant energy which produces light, and not all
Speaker 3: of it is in the spectrum of light that humans
Speaker 3: can see.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, like I mean, maybe you know, any of
Speaker 4: us growing up would here in the United States probably
Speaker 4: have captured fireflies. That's probably the most common bioluminescence creature
Speaker 4: that we maybe have actually seen or gotten our hands on.
Speaker 4: But Ben, you pointed out off air that there are
Speaker 4: plenty of creatures that we know and see every day,
Speaker 4: or you know, relatively frequently, I guess, depending on how
Speaker 4: doors you are that have bioluminescence. But it won't show
Speaker 4: up because of that spectrum that you're talking about. So
Speaker 4: it requires a little help to be visible to the
Speaker 4: human eye.
Speaker 2: Or it requires you to be a kitty cat. If
Speaker 2: you're a kitty cat, you can see them, and those
Speaker 2: spiders and other little insects probably look really tasty.
Speaker 3: And with all these facts in mind, you know, we
Speaker 3: have to ask ourselves, is it that crazy the idea
Speaker 3: of a glue in the dark spider? I mean, we
Speaker 3: know that there are spiders everywhere. You know, shout out
Speaker 3: there had the dream where you bleed spiders, But it's odd.
Speaker 4: Oh geez, that sugared me for some reason. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are different estimates that say India itself is
Speaker 3: home to maybe something like fifty nine or sixty completely
Speaker 3: different families of spiders, and we know they are unique
Speaker 3: species of spiders in India spoiler by the way, they
Speaker 3: are unique species as spiders. Pretty much anywhere you go,
Speaker 3: there are a lot of spiders. But we don't have
Speaker 3: a ton of information. Considering such a successful form of life,
Speaker 3: we don't have a ton of information about spiders overall,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of tough to find them in these
Speaker 3: very densely biodiverse parts of the world. You're looking for
Speaker 3: arachnid needles in this huge, gargantuan haystack of an ecosystem,
Speaker 3: But I don't know. It could be cool. We know
Speaker 3: that spiders can glow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We do well. And there's one specific
Speaker 2: spider that was thought to be extinct for one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty years and then was discovered in this region
Speaker 2: you're we were describing the gats region. After one hundred
Speaker 2: fifty years, in twenty eighteen it was rediscovered. It's this
Speaker 2: thing called the Crysilla volup chrysi la vo lupe and
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful, strange looking jumping spider that's got bands
Speaker 2: of bioluminescence in one right on its back. It's like
Speaker 2: bluish blue and green colors. It's incredible looking.
Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, my mind is going back to the Fateful
Speaker 4: plane ride where I was able to enjoy the film,
Speaker 4: Madam Web, I feel like that spider was bioluminescence. You
Speaker 4: all should check it out. It really is worth your time.
Speaker 4: It's terrible in a delightful way.
Speaker 3: And we also know that. I love the point we're
Speaker 3: making here, the idea that something can be called encryptid
Speaker 3: because of his believed to be extinct only to be rediscovered. Right,
Speaker 3: And when we say rediscovered, of course there's the whole.
Speaker 3: There's the whole idea that discovery means Western science finds
Speaker 3: it and makes a special little Latin name for it,
Speaker 3: which is not the same as people not knowing it exists.
Speaker 2: Because it also makes it sound like it was gone
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it popped back into existence.
Speaker 2: But in order for it to exist now, as you're saying, Ben,
Speaker 2: it had to have existed the entire time. You just
Speaker 2: didn't know or couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there is the outside, non zero possibility
Speaker 3: of convergent evolution.
Speaker 2: Whoa, it came back again.
Speaker 3: It re evolved due to environmental pressures that is possible,
Speaker 3: But that's winning a series of weird lotteries.
Speaker 2: Dodo like just shows back up again that way in
Speaker 2: two thousand years.
Speaker 3: No, boy, uh, you know that'd be that'd be a
Speaker 3: weird time. What kind of environment do you live in
Speaker 3: where the optimal end goal of evolution.
Speaker 4: Is to be a Dodo?
Speaker 2: Well, I think we might be in it.
Speaker 3: Big eggs good, Yeah, I like a bird with some
Speaker 3: fat eggs.
Speaker 4: You know, apparently big eggs are really difficult to cook that.
Speaker 4: I don't I've seen any cooking shows like the ostrich
Speaker 4: egg is you know if that if you if that's
Speaker 4: your grab on freaking chopped or whatever, you're gonna have
Speaker 4: a hard time just.
Speaker 2: Scramble it, right, Yeah, but maybe that's not that.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're supposed to proach it in this particular challenge
Speaker 4: that we're talking about. You don't always just get to
Speaker 4: scramble at maview. Dang.
Speaker 3: Well, wish us luck as we continue our audition for Chopped,
Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realists, and hold the phone, hold the slow
Speaker 3: lures by its tail. We haven't gotten We have not
Speaker 3: gotten to every single thing here. Now we did, I believe,
Speaker 3: make very good case for the bioluminescent spider. As you
Speaker 3: pointed out, Matt, it is also completely possible that a
Speaker 3: series of iraq nids could have been coated with bacteria
Speaker 3: or algae or some other bioluminescent material. That's all possible,
Speaker 3: so we can consider that when proven. We have another cryptid,
Speaker 3: a certain winged cat that can be proven. You can
Speaker 3: solve that cryptozoological mystery yourself. Just look into uh, look
Speaker 3: into winged cat, and you think of flying squirrels or
Speaker 3: gliding squirrels, and that'll be the the breadcrumbs, right, that'll
Speaker 3: lead you down that cryptozoological rabbit hole. What do you say, guys?
Speaker 3: Is that good enough of a tease?
Speaker 4: I think so, yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the word, but well, homework, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Well you'll find it.
Speaker 3: You'll find it's it starts with a C.
Speaker 2: How about that it starts as a cat.
Speaker 4: It's cat.
Speaker 3: It is neither cat nor colombo.
Speaker 4: Thing. But one more thing, you guys, man, if flying
Speaker 4: cat sounds dangerous, they're they're already. So can you imagine
Speaker 4: if like as cantankers as cats can be, if they
Speaker 4: could just it's like what, I you know, I don't
Speaker 4: like birds because then before we're afraid they're gonna fly
Speaker 4: up in your face. If cats had that power, don't
Speaker 4: think i'd be a cat person, No, sir.
Speaker 2: I think we would. This whole you know epic we're
Speaker 2: in where all the species are dying off again. I
Speaker 2: feel like it would have been over a thousand years
Speaker 2: ago if maybe it wouldn't be their fault. They're just
Speaker 2: built for it.
Speaker 3: You know, I tried out, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like watch your babies around large predatory birds. But
Speaker 3: by the time you get full great ape size, you
Speaker 3: could probably get one. You could probably snatch one out
Speaker 3: of the air.
Speaker 4: You could PvP of flying cat, I mean.
Speaker 3: Fly house cat. Yeah, a fly fly it's over.
Speaker 2: There are certain house cats that take me out by
Speaker 2: right for the jugular one.
Speaker 3: Little You guys both have good situational awareness. It might
Speaker 3: get one of your eyes, but you'll you'll get it
Speaker 3: after you're dead.
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that it slices you first, waits for
Speaker 4: you to bleed out, then comes back for both eyes
Speaker 4: and all the other soft bits.
Speaker 2: It's something about the way they lash on and then
Speaker 2: bolt out of there.
Speaker 3: And nightmare fuel guys, And we hope We hope you
Speaker 3: can trust us when we say that the mystery of
Speaker 3: the winged cat is not an evil mystery. You're going
Speaker 3: to be looking for phrases like paulk up billy, uh
Speaker 3: p A U C A b I L L e E.
Speaker 3: It is a Hindi term roughly trans to winged cats.
Speaker 3: We can't wait to hear your guesses as you play
Speaker 3: alog at home. We also can't wait to hear from
Speaker 3: you folks. Once again, thank you to Truth is Fiction
Speaker 3: yt on reddit and YouTube for that awesome cryptid map
Speaker 3: of India. Some of these stories, some of these creatures,
Speaker 3: their allegations thereof may well be episodes all their own.
Speaker 3: They have their own rich mythology, lots of parallels to
Speaker 3: known biology, and at the very least, they tell us
Speaker 3: a lot about the societies in which these stories propagate.
Speaker 3: If you enjoyed tonight's episode, be sure to tune in
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