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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer, all mission controlled decads. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 3: You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't

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Speaker 3: news for everyone who hates cryptids. Oh well, got some

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Speaker 3: bad news. We're back on the game. Longtime listeners, you

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Speaker 3: will know we examined cryptids and depth in fact breaking news.

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Speaker 3: We're returning to the low coast of the Atlantic in

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Speaker 3: just a few days, partially to look into allegations of

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Speaker 3: mysterious shenanigans around the coast and swamps. But we remember

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Speaker 3: our previous episode here right, previously on stuff they don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Crypti of India Part one right, yes, yep, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: And in it we discussed the intense biodiversity that India

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Speaker 4: There and always reminds me of that was it a

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Speaker 3: And to that point about biodiversity. We're also going to

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Speaker 3: we can't wait to share with you that actually, in

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Speaker 3: a weird way support some conspiracy realist arguments. We'd also

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Speaker 3: before we begin, like to take a second and think

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Speaker 3: truth is fiction? Why T on both Reddit and YouTube?

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Speaker 3: Because truth is fiction?

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Speaker 2: Why T?

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Speaker 3: Your amazing cryptid map of India inspired a lot of

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Speaker 3: our conversations last evening and this evening. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 3: As as said earlier, India is legit amazing. At the beginning,

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Speaker 3: So how could people there somehow not have discovered every

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just goes back to that whole point about

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Speaker 3: the power of science where those unidentified creatures may live,

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Speaker 2: these guys both from Yale. As you said, notorious members

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Speaker 2: I see it towards the bottom near Sri Lanka, so like,

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Speaker 3: Life data, there are thousands of potentially undiscovered unique life

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Speaker 3: And they also included another allegation, an allegation of dare

433
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: I say, superhuman abilities because just like a Desi spring

434
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: heeled jack, this monkey man Hanuman, you might say, right, this,

435
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: whatever this thing is, it allegedly has this superhuman ability

436
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 3: to leap away from the crime scenes. It's not running,

437
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 3: it's jumping from the ground to the top of a

438
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Speaker 3: building and then off to the rooftops, like that old

439
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: Spider Man game on PLAYSTATIONE. Yeah, or Assassin's Creed.

440
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned Hanuman because in my head, I

441
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 4: knew that there was some connection to like, you know,

442
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 4: a one of the pan antheon of Hindu gods, and

443
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 4: Hanaman is a Hindu god who's half monkey and half human,

444
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: but is a good god. It's considered a protector and

445
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: is actually often his image is placed at the entrance

446
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: of homes of Hindu homes and is considered a grantor

447
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: of boons and.

448
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: A warder of evil word offer of evil.

449
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 4: So this is like a good dude, you know. So

450
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: I just oftentimes when we see this hysteria around a

451
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: cryptid and reports of it, it often is tied to

452
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: some cultural kind of boogeyman, right, and so this isn't

453
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 4: that exactly right? It's interesting. I don't know, I wonder

454
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: what you guys make of that.

455
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Well, Hanamon also had superpowers like could jump really far

456
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: across an entire giant raging river or.

457
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 4: Jack you up. Though he'd like, you know.

458
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: If you were a bad guy, he would.

459
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: Just if you violated the wrong con after you.

460
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: I also accounts this is a dude that's messing with

461
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 4: good people. This is messing with you know.

462
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: It's not a costing random people in their homes during

463
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 2: a blackout.

464
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Speaker 3: Monkey monkey economs, monkey gods are a very common thing

465
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: in this part of the world. Right, then there are

466
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: tons of really good movies coming out of China about

467
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: monkey kings.

468
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Speaker 2: This does most of them are based on honomon right,

469
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I.

470
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: Think that's yeah, That's what I'm saying. It's a very

471
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: common thing, and these exist in the zeitgeist. These people

472
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 3: would have seen these things, is what I'm saying.

473
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 4: There.

474
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: There's also a feedback loop that occurs. Local media covers

475
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 3: this without pause. They want the clicks right and the

476
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: descriptions to your earlier point, Matt. They begin to become

477
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: more fanciful. We start seeing the game of telephone.

478
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: Now.

479
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, one of these attacks has Freddy

480
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: Krueger like clause right, and then more of those descripts

481
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: later include or subsequently include Freddy Krueger like claws. And

482
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: then we see stuff saying, oh, it's a guy wearing

483
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: a leather jacket donating dotting a motorbike helmet, classic honomon.

484
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say it was that guy the whole time.

485
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, not to you know, rain on

486
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: the parade, but it does strike me. I know we're

487
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: going to get into this, this crime of opportunity, you

488
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 4: know of more of like the ability to roll people

489
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 4: kind of in the dark and capitalize on their fears,

490
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: and then maybe a copycat element to it as well,

491
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Speaker 4: which I know you wrote about, Ben, and we're gonna

492
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 4: get to But this is when I start to think

493
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: about Scooby Doo, where every time there's a ghost or

494
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 4: a cryptid or a monster in Scooby Doo, it's always

495
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 4: just some jerk that's capitalizing on people's fears and suspicions

496
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: of the existence of some kind of boogeyman, you know,

497
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: and then you know it's every time.

498
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Speaker 2: But you know what, the villains and Scooby Doo always

499
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 2: have a motive, that's true, a reason to do it. Yeah,

500
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: when you when you watch the AP newsreel that's included

501
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: that that you can find for these monkey man attacks

502
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: in Delhi in two thousand, there are people showing off

503
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: scars and injuries and it's usually like a small scrape

504
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: on their back or their arm, or a tiny child

505
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: that a mom is holding up that has you know,

506
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: their head wrapped into and it's just it's like small

507
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: again I use the word a cost because it's like

508
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: it's almost like somebody jumped in and popped you it good,

509
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: in the in the arm or in the back, hit

510
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: you in the back and maybe punctured a little bit

511
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: if they had a tiny claw or something.

512
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: And took off.

513
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: It's not an amputation there as well.

514
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not murders. There's not robberies. Often there's not

515
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: a motive I guess for why these attacks would occur, which.

516
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 4: Is strange, very joker like though. It's just like sewing chaos,

517
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: you know, just the idea of capitalizing on this bad

518
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: situation and deciding to terrorize people, which is inherently you know, psychotic.

519
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: I would say it has a lot. It sort of

520
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: functions as a precedent to those really crappy TikTok pranks

521
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: of sucker punching people. But this was not documented. These

522
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: reports clearly indicated to law enforcement that something was rotten

523
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: in this part of India, to paraphrase Shakespeare. So they

524
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: were in a terrible position. They created a reporting hotline

525
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: and they offered the equivalent of about one thousand US

526
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 3: dollars for information that could lead to the capture of

527
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: the now infamous monkey man, and that was about fifty

528
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: thousand rupees at the time two thousand and Now we

529
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: have to pause and say, a hotline for a cryptid

530
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 3: run by the cops. This creates a panic feedback loop,

531
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Speaker 3: especially amid the poor residents of the area who will

532
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 3: get some stats on them in a second. But you know,

533
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: by and large. These folks could not afford their own

534
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: backup generators, so instead they were forced to tremble through

535
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: those hot, dark nights, hoping the moon was full to

536
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: shed some light, wondering whether this was the evening the

537
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: Monkey Man would come for them. And this had real

538
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: world consequences. There were mob beatings. One poor van driver

539
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: just in the wrong place at the wrong time. This

540
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: mob decides that he is the monkey Man. They surround

541
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: his vehicle, they drag him out of his van, and

542
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 3: they beat the snot out of him. He goes to

543
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: the hospital. Multiple bones are broken. And then one guy

544
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: runs onto a roof because he's trying to escape what

545
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: he feels is an attack by the monkey Man. And

546
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: then later in a panic, he falls and he dies.

547
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: He falls from the roof and dies. And then worst

548
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: one that we found in this all common reporting, there

549
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: was a woman who was pregnant and she thought she

550
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: was gonna She thought she was under attack from this

551
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: infamous monkey Man. She tried to run, she fell down

552
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: a flight of stairs, she died, and the child was

553
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 3: lost as well. Again real world consequences.

554
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: She shout out that I don't know if you guys

555
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: read the same one. It was the historic Mysteries article

556
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: on this. She just had a lot of good stuff

557
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: and it's titled who was the Monkey Man of Delhi?

558
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: It's really good bye Royson Everard.

559
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hazard a guess this isn't the one that

560
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: we're going to solve today.

561
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: Well, we have some interesting circumstances here, some contexts that

562
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: needs to be provided, because after two weeks, the panic

563
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: that swept Delhi subsided gone essentially And there was a

564
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 3: great study in the Indian Journal of Medical Science in

565
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: two thousand than three, so a few years after this incident,

566
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: and they dove into the social context of this. Ninety

567
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: four percent of the reports of Monkeyman came from the

568
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: poorest region of Delhi. And of those reports, eighty nine

569
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: percent came from people with what we would consider an

570
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: impoverished background. Or I mean it's India, so it's socioeconomics,

571
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 3: so also lower cast. The cast system is its own

572
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 3: bag of badgers.

573
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: Still very real.

574
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then maybe this led the experts and law

575
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 3: enforcement later to say, maybe the media kind of fan

576
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 3: the flames here. Maybe there were criminals who decided it

577
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: was hunting season or was open season because they could

578
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 3: just attribute whatever they do to the legend of the

579
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: Monkey Man. And then also the heartbreaking part is maybe

580
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 3: there were people who made up their own Monkey Man

581
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: stories in an attempt to get access to medical care.

582
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: Ooh no, that makes a lot of sense.

583
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's just heartbreaking.

584
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: It matches up with again, just the footage that you

585
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: can see where there are people showing off what appeared

586
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: to be two very strange bite marks and a huge

587
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: scrape that looks like it's going to get infected. And

588
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: I can let's just let's say, I can imagine that

589
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: if you scraped your back really badly, you fell off

590
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: a moped or something, you fell off a bike, whatever,

591
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: you got scraped up, you can't access healthcare for whatever reason,

592
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: but you come in with a report of this, or

593
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: you make it look like you got attacked in a

594
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: different way. I could totally see that being a plausible explanation.

595
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 4: To a point though, right because it's got so overwhelming

596
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 4: and the you know, law enforcement and medical infrastructure just

597
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 4: couldn't support the burn of the absolute deluge of calls

598
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: reporting this kind of stuff, so.

599
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: Much so that eventually, again a few weeks in law

600
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 3: enforcement went back on their note about the hotline, and

601
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: they said, look, if you are making fraudulent claims, or

602
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: you are distributing misleading information, or you're reporting attacks without proof,

603
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: then you are going to be in trouble. It's not

604
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: going to be a fine. We will put you in jail.

605
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: And we have to understand in the context of this,

606
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 3: if someone goes to jail in some of these family groups,

607
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: then the entire family is massively screwed. So this is

608
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 3: an existential threat to a bloodline. Don't fib about monkey Man,

609
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: and then just like that, as a result, the Monkey

610
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: Man disappeared. We mentioned previously the works of fiction that

611
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: perhaps inspired panic. We also mentioned the film dep Ptel's

612
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: film that came out in April of twenty twenty four.

613
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: But we haven't even gotten guys. We're almost forty minutes in.

614
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: We haven't even gotten to Pakistan and the bar Men, oh,

615
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: which I like to call We have Bigfoot at home.

616
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but before you get there, just do more

617
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: quick points here. The first one is we saw something

618
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: similar with a hotline with a reward attached when we

619
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: were making Atlanta Monster. We're in the early eighties. The

620
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta Police Department and the FBI set up a tip line,

621
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: so if you had any information on whoever this person

622
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: was that was kidnapping children and killing them, call in

623
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: tell us and you'll get a reward if it leads

624
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: to an arrest, right, And there were so many calls

625
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: that basically the task force just was in was so inundated.

626
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: They had to track down each one because each one

627
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: might actually be real, which means all the time, the

628
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: man hours that you pay this huge task force just

629
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: got eaten up.

630
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: There's a balance there, though it starts to be like

631
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 4: it's more trouble than it's worth. It's the same with

632
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 4: Zodiac That was the thing too, right, there was that

633
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 4: wasn't a reward, I don't believe, but there was a

634
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 4: hotline at least the newspaper and there you know, it's

635
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: depicted in the film, just getting all these crank cranks

636
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: calling it.

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00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they tried to set him up to actually

638
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 2: call in in the Zodiacs case, but in that case

639
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: it was just a huge resource drain. In this case,

640
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: I can imagine how if you know, one thousand dollars

641
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: may not sound like a lot to you listening, that

642
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: is a huge amount of money for a lot of people,

643
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: so the desire to do something in some way to

644
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: get that reward. I can just imagine that that would

645
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: be a highly desirable thing.

646
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: Add this is again only one example of bigfoot like

647
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 3: or primate esque cryptids in this region. We're going to

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Speaker 3: pause for a word from our sponsors, and when we

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Speaker 3: return we'll learn and why we say Pakistan said we

650
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: have bigfoot at home.

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Speaker 4: And we've returned with the bar menu of Pakistan. Pakistan?

652
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 4: Is that right, Ben the Barmanu? Yeah, yeah, we do

653
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 4: have big foot. Oh that's a meme right where it's

654
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 4: sort of like a janky version of the real thing.

655
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: Isn't that kind of the joke there? Yeah, it's like

656
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 4: there's one where it's like we have Pink Floyd at

657
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 4: home and it's like this dude playing Katsio keyboard and

658
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: seeing this weird version of another brick in the wall.

659
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 4: But yeah, the bar menu of Pakistan. The word itself

660
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: comes from the Koar language Kawar language, and it roughly

661
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 4: translates to forest man. So we go from monkey man

662
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 4: to forest man and bore were we teasing all these

663
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 4: forests that there could be, you know, strange and unusual

664
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: and undiscovered species lurking in around India. So here we

665
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 4: are in the shadowy darkness of the forests.

666
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, this creature is fascinating. Just like the Orang Pandak

667
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: erpendek and the orangutang right which has proven to exist.

668
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: This creature is alleged to possess traits of humans and

669
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: non human apes. This one, in particular real rough customer,

670
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: infamous for attempting to abduct women for the purposes of mating. However,

671
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: unlike a lot of campfire tales, this one got some

672
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 3: real scrutiny. We want to introduce you to a Spanish zoologist,

673
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: Yordi Margrener. For three years he searched for this wild

674
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 3: creature of Pakistan from nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety.

675
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 3: He then continued to search throughout the nineties up until

676
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: he was murdered during this search in Afganistan in two

677
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: thousand and two, and he was boots on the ground

678
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 3: interviewing folks who felt they had seen this thing. The

679
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 3: way they describe it is very strange, because they said

680
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: the creature was capable of processing animals like it wore

681
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: animal skins, it war hides. It apparently domesticated or tamed

682
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: dogs and horses. Those are very human things to do,

683
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: and there's so much more to the story. But the

684
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 3: plausible verdict I would argue is this, the craziest plausible verdict,

685
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 3: is that a human or group of humans living off

686
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 3: the grid in the wild may have become mistaken for

687
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: unknown or non human creatures due to their behavior.

688
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 4: You mentioned the Iraan Pendak also comes to mind the

689
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 4: Iran Minnac of Malaysia, which was the oily Man or whatever,

690
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 4: which also was accused of sexually assaulting women and purported

691
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: to have a animal perhaps you know, ape like qualities

692
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 4: and covered in a sheene of either fur or like

693
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 4: oily kind of stuff. Since so a lot of this stuff,

694
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: there is that even game of telephone that happens between

695
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: large stretches of distance in the world.

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00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: I was reading a forum of all things, which, right,

697
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: it's somebody wrote on a forum somewhere at some point,

698
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: but they were talking about the death we mentioned, right,

699
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: this this person who spent a lot of time looking

700
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: for this creature was murdered and according to this forum, well,

701
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: I'll give you the moderator's name, Rescue Ranger. That's a

702
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: person who made this post. Yeah, he said that this

703
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: guy Magriner was killed by his servant boy on the

704
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: orders of local militants. It says, yeah, interesting.

705
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: And then we know if it's Afghanistan and shout out Tony.

706
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: I've gotten conspiracy realists listening to this. But we know

707
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: there is an unclean conspiracy that is pretty ancient continues

708
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 3: today in that part of the world, which is systematized,

709
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 3: normalized abuse of children. If you want to ruin your day,

710
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 3: look up Batci Basi. Do you guys know what I'm

711
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 3: talking about?

712
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: I don't. I'll save it for a day.

713
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: I want to ruin Yeah don't. We We've talked about

714
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: it on the show.

715
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 4: For it, I must have blocked it out a good

716
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 4: thing to block out, yeah, probably.

717
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 3: But the idea then, the idea of being to you,

718
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: ranger Rick, if you're tuning in, the idea being that

719
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: maybe this child was weaponized in that kind of system

720
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: of abuse.

721
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, who knows. It's just a strange story. And

722
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: you know, we we want to find a bigfoot somewhere. Please,

723
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: somebody out there, find.

724
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,439
Speaker 4: A big foot.

725
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: You know, if you got big feet, maybe you can

726
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 3: count you know, be the change We we could also

727
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: move on to something a little more positive, right, a

728
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: bit more historical, nerdy, straight up unicorns. That's right, the

729
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: last unicorn all your favorite fairy tales. The Indis Valley

730
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 3: unicorn is endlessly fascinating. It is described as though it

731
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 3: is a real biological creature. Very long ago. We mentioned

732
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: plenty in an earlier episode. He writes about the unicorn

733
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: in a way, I'm gonna be honest with you folks,

734
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 3: in a way that is just realistic enough to me

735
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: to think maybe it was real, because it's not pretty.

736
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: It's not a pretty description. Do we want to do

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00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: the quotation?

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Speaker 2: The fiercest animal is the unicorn, which in the rest

739
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: of the body resembles a horse, but in the head

740
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: a stag, in the feet an elephant, and in the

741
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: tail a bore. It has a deep bellow and a

742
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: single black horn three feet long, projecting from the middle

743
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: of the forehead. They say that it's impossible to capture

744
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: this animal alive.

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00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: So it's a real clomper. Yeah, you know, it's a

746
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: real that's our that's our quadruped bigfoot. Apparently it is

747
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 3: not sexy. It's not that virgin, loving, graceful equine of

748
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 3: myth and legend in the West.

749
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 4: It does not think friendship is magic. It does not

750
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 4: know it's coming.

751
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: For you, and it's instead you know what strikes me

752
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: here is it's like the ivan Drago of unicorns. It's

753
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: essentially an ox with a big, murderous fighting horn and

754
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 3: it just sort of goes, you know, instead of.

755
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: It'll do that Mortal Kombat finishing move where it just

756
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 4: skewers you and then tilts its head up so your

757
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: body slowly slumps down, sinks into the horns, and then

758
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: just sort of shakes you off. And it's this fatality

759
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: on the screen. That's what this fellow would do.

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00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: There is additional historical context, though, because it's not just

761
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: one guy, well the most famous historian of the time.

762
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: It's not just one person writing about this. This is

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00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 3: I was thinking of the best way to say this

764
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: for everyone listening tonight. Imagine if Bigfoot was the national

765
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: symbol of a country in the modern evening, you know,

766
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: like pick a country and they say, you know what

767
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: represents us our national animal? Beat me here, Paul, Bigfoot,

768
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: that's us. That's our country. That's what indiscivilization did with

769
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: this unicorn. And the depictions of it are surprisingly consistent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the what is it the Mohenjo Daro the unicorn

771
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 2: seal That this thing is really interesting looking. It's got

772
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't have feet like an elephant. I wouldn't say,

773
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: I don't even know about the boar tale, but it's

774
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: got almost it almost looks rhino like in the face

775
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: to me, or something thing or zebra like. It's depicted

776
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: with stripes almost in that big horn.

777
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's found throughout all these seals of

778
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: the Harappan civilization as well what we would call loosely, uh,

779
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: the Indus Valley civilizations, and these seals which are pretty

780
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 3: common for their time. They date back to three thousand

781
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: to fifteen hundred BCE, and they heavily feature this unicorn.

782
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 3: It's the most common motif in these Indus seals overall.

783
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: And like you were saying, if you look at the

784
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: photo link of the seal, you can find it pretty easily.

785
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: Just go to Harrappa dot com. That's h A r

786
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: a pp a dot com. You can see the gallery

787
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: which depicts the thing. The one that we pulled for

788
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: this has a penis uh. Okay, well, the one I

789
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 3: put in the notes there is interesting because it has uh,

790
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: it has what appears to be some sort of human

791
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 3: made like feeding troth or chalice with decorations, so it's.

792
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 4: Possible snout like almost like the bore part. Yeah, to

793
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: your point, Matt, there are lots of different versions of it,

794
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: but I'm looking at one that's engraved in either like

795
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 4: a coin like surface, like you know, it's etched into it,

796
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: and it also appears to have kind of side boobs.

797
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: It's like the way just to finish this one part,

798
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 3: the idea here implies that there may have been domestication,

799
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: that humans may have been making something to feed it.

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00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: And then to your point, like and Matt, maybe to

801
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: some of the confusion that maybe folks that are looking

802
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: at diferent versions of this might be experiencing. There are

803
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: ones that look just like straight up like an ox,

804
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 4: and there's ones that look straight up more like an elephant.

805
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 4: But then they are the ones that are kind of

806
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 4: the more proto version of the unicorn type thing we're

807
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 4: talking about. So maybe we're seeing depictions of what would

808
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: be the product of domestication, right.

809
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 2: I think.

810
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: So the thing we're saying off air is that there

811
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: is a large enough window of time that it is

812
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: possible something like this did exist and then went extinct. Right,

813
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 3: We know that different domesticated animals have gone extinct or

814
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: tamed animals.

815
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 4: Can We also point out too, that some of these

816
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 4: were looking at a profile picture of it, which makes

817
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 4: it look like it only has one horn, But if

818
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 4: it was a front picture, you might be seeing two horns.

819
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: I'm just saying there are other images of it where

820
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 4: it has definitely has two horns, but it's a different perspective.

821
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 4: But a lot of these were looking at a side

822
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 4: image where you might just be seeing the profile of

823
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 4: the one horn because they're kind of lined up and

824
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 4: they'd be blocking the view of the other horn.

825
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't really fact check at this point

826
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: in history ratching, Yeah you really care. There are like

827
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 3: four libraries and the public's not allowed in them. So

828
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: obviously there's not a Wikipedia shout out to wiki. But

829
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: for a cryptid to appear so commonly in state level

830
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: artifacts for so long and so long ago, it is

831
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: not unfair to ask could this have been a real creature?

832
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 3: And of course, if you have cited a steroided up

833
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 3: unicorn in your neck of the global woods. We would

834
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: love to hear about it. Please don't try to fight it,

835
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 3: just take a picture. As always, be respectful of wildlife.

836
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: Ben, do you think you could PvP a unicorn?

837
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, not that kind, absolutely not, not the roided

838
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: up variety. No, and you shouldn't. But one thing that

839
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: I think, unfortunately everybody listening has killed is a spider.

840
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: So in our pals cryptid map of India, one thing

841
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 3: that stood out to a several of us is the

842
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: idea of bioluminescent spiders. And the weird thing is India

843
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 3: has a ton of bioluminescent life. It also has a

844
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: ton of spiders, many of which scientists believe are as

845
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 3: of yet not identified. So could it be possible that

846
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: India has glow in the dark spiders.

847
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: Yes, it's all it's Avatar's heck over there.

848
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 4: Well you know nowhere else is avatars heck be. We've

849
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 4: also talked about it and maybe even done episodes exclusively

850
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 4: on Australia has tons of bioluminescent stuff. There's the whole

851
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 4: Bioluminescent Beach in Jarvis Bay where you see these these

852
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: things that wash up and they freaking seriously glow in

853
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 4: the dark, and there's also bioluminescent like stones and all

854
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 4: kinds of crazy stuff. So this feels very similar adj

855
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: Simpson to me anyway, And.

856
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: Far more animals are bioluminescent than we might assume fellow

857
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: non biologists. In fact, the humans have their own little

858
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 3: bioluminescent glow which is pretty neat. Everybody's got a little

859
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 3: bit of the shining. Shout out Stephen King. India has a.

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00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: Shinning do you want us get us seed?

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00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: India has entire, entirely bioluminescent forests. They're not that way

863
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Speaker 3: all the time. It depends on the monsoons, but they

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Speaker 3: occur especially in an amazing part of the country called

865
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Speaker 3: the Western Goths g h A t S. So we

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Speaker 3: know another fact, which is bioluminescence is real. Bacteria, fungi, fungi,

867
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Speaker 3: al algae, insects, and some aquatic animals all exhibit this.

868
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: The process is well understood. It is a chemical reaction

869
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Speaker 3: occurring within the organism wherein different chemical energy sources are

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Speaker 3: converted into radiant energy which produces light, and not all

871
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Speaker 3: of it is in the spectrum of light that humans

872
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: can see.

873
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, like I mean, maybe you know, any of

874
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 4: us growing up would here in the United States probably

875
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Speaker 4: have captured fireflies. That's probably the most common bioluminescence creature

876
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: that we maybe have actually seen or gotten our hands on.

877
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Speaker 4: But Ben, you pointed out off air that there are

878
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Speaker 4: plenty of creatures that we know and see every day,

879
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Speaker 4: or you know, relatively frequently, I guess, depending on how

880
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Speaker 4: doors you are that have bioluminescence. But it won't show

881
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 4: up because of that spectrum that you're talking about. So

882
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 4: it requires a little help to be visible to the

883
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Speaker 4: human eye.

884
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Speaker 2: Or it requires you to be a kitty cat. If

885
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: you're a kitty cat, you can see them, and those

886
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: spiders and other little insects probably look really tasty.

887
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Speaker 3: And with all these facts in mind, you know, we

888
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: have to ask ourselves, is it that crazy the idea

889
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: of a glue in the dark spider? I mean, we

890
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 3: know that there are spiders everywhere. You know, shout out

891
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: there had the dream where you bleed spiders, But it's odd.

892
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Speaker 4: Oh geez, that sugared me for some reason. Man.

893
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are different estimates that say India itself is

894
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: home to maybe something like fifty nine or sixty completely

895
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: different families of spiders, and we know they are unique

896
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: species of spiders in India spoiler by the way, they

897
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Speaker 3: are unique species as spiders. Pretty much anywhere you go,

898
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Speaker 3: there are a lot of spiders. But we don't have

899
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Speaker 3: a ton of information. Considering such a successful form of life,

900
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: we don't have a ton of information about spiders overall,

901
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 3: and it's kind of tough to find them in these

902
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 3: very densely biodiverse parts of the world. You're looking for

903
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: arachnid needles in this huge, gargantuan haystack of an ecosystem,

904
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Speaker 3: But I don't know. It could be cool. We know

905
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Speaker 3: that spiders can glow.

906
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We do well. And there's one specific

907
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: spider that was thought to be extinct for one hundred

908
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: and fifty years and then was discovered in this region

909
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,959
Speaker 2: you're we were describing the gats region. After one hundred

910
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 2: fifty years, in twenty eighteen it was rediscovered. It's this

911
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: thing called the Crysilla volup chrysi la vo lupe and

912
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful, strange looking jumping spider that's got bands

913
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Speaker 2: of bioluminescence in one right on its back. It's like

914
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: bluish blue and green colors. It's incredible looking.

915
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Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, my mind is going back to the Fateful

916
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 4: plane ride where I was able to enjoy the film,

917
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Speaker 4: Madam Web, I feel like that spider was bioluminescence. You

918
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 4: all should check it out. It really is worth your time.

919
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 4: It's terrible in a delightful way.

920
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: And we also know that. I love the point we're

921
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 3: making here, the idea that something can be called encryptid

922
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: because of his believed to be extinct only to be rediscovered. Right,

923
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Speaker 3: And when we say rediscovered, of course there's the whole.

924
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: There's the whole idea that discovery means Western science finds

925
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: it and makes a special little Latin name for it,

926
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Speaker 3: which is not the same as people not knowing it exists.

927
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: Because it also makes it sound like it was gone

928
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it popped back into existence.

929
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 2: But in order for it to exist now, as you're saying, Ben,

930
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: it had to have existed the entire time. You just

931
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 2: didn't know or couldn't see it.

932
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there is the outside, non zero possibility

933
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 3: of convergent evolution.

934
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: Whoa, it came back again.

935
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 3: It re evolved due to environmental pressures that is possible,

936
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 3: But that's winning a series of weird lotteries.

937
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Dodo like just shows back up again that way in

938
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Speaker 2: two thousand years.

939
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Speaker 3: No, boy, uh, you know that'd be that'd be a

940
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 3: weird time. What kind of environment do you live in

941
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: where the optimal end goal of evolution.

942
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 4: Is to be a Dodo?

943
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: Well, I think we might be in it.

944
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: Big eggs good, Yeah, I like a bird with some

945
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: fat eggs.

946
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 4: You know, apparently big eggs are really difficult to cook that.

947
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: I don't I've seen any cooking shows like the ostrich

948
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: egg is you know if that if you if that's

949
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 4: your grab on freaking chopped or whatever, you're gonna have

950
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 4: a hard time just.

951
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 2: Scramble it, right, Yeah, but maybe that's not that.

952
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 4: Maybe you're supposed to proach it in this particular challenge

953
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 4: that we're talking about. You don't always just get to

954
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 4: scramble at maview. Dang.

955
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 3: Well, wish us luck as we continue our audition for Chopped,

956
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realists, and hold the phone, hold the slow

957
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: lures by its tail. We haven't gotten We have not

958
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: gotten to every single thing here. Now we did, I believe,

959
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 3: make very good case for the bioluminescent spider. As you

960
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: pointed out, Matt, it is also completely possible that a

961
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 3: series of iraq nids could have been coated with bacteria

962
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 3: or algae or some other bioluminescent material. That's all possible,

963
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 3: so we can consider that when proven. We have another cryptid,

964
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 3: a certain winged cat that can be proven. You can

965
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: solve that cryptozoological mystery yourself. Just look into uh, look

966
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 3: into winged cat, and you think of flying squirrels or

967
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: gliding squirrels, and that'll be the the breadcrumbs, right, that'll

968
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: lead you down that cryptozoological rabbit hole. What do you say, guys?

969
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: Is that good enough of a tease?

970
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 4: I think so, yeah.

971
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the word, but well, homework, it's okay.

972
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: Well you'll find it.

973
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: You'll find it's it starts with a C.

974
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: How about that it starts as a cat.

975
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: It's cat.

976
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 3: It is neither cat nor colombo.

977
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 4: Thing. But one more thing, you guys, man, if flying

978
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 4: cat sounds dangerous, they're they're already. So can you imagine

979
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: if like as cantankers as cats can be, if they

980
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 4: could just it's like what, I you know, I don't

981
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 4: like birds because then before we're afraid they're gonna fly

982
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 4: up in your face. If cats had that power, don't

983
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 4: think i'd be a cat person, No, sir.

984
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: I think we would. This whole you know epic we're

985
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: in where all the species are dying off again. I

986
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: feel like it would have been over a thousand years

987
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: ago if maybe it wouldn't be their fault. They're just

988
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: built for it.

989
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 3: You know, I tried out, you know what I mean.

990
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 3: It's like watch your babies around large predatory birds. But

991
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 3: by the time you get full great ape size, you

992
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 3: could probably get one. You could probably snatch one out

993
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: of the air.

994
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 4: You could PvP of flying cat, I mean.

995
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 3: Fly house cat. Yeah, a fly fly it's over.

996
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: There are certain house cats that take me out by

997
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: right for the jugular one.

998
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: Little You guys both have good situational awareness. It might

999
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: get one of your eyes, but you'll you'll get it

1000
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 3: after you're dead.

1001
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 4: No, I'm saying that it slices you first, waits for

1002
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 4: you to bleed out, then comes back for both eyes

1003
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 4: and all the other soft bits.

1004
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: It's something about the way they lash on and then

1005
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: bolt out of there.

1006
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: And nightmare fuel guys, And we hope We hope you

1007
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: can trust us when we say that the mystery of

1008
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: the winged cat is not an evil mystery. You're going

1009
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: to be looking for phrases like paulk up billy, uh

1010
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: p A U C A b I L L e E.

1011
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 3: It is a Hindi term roughly trans to winged cats.

1012
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 3: We can't wait to hear your guesses as you play

1013
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 3: alog at home. We also can't wait to hear from

1014
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 3: you folks. Once again, thank you to Truth is Fiction

1015
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 3: yt on reddit and YouTube for that awesome cryptid map

1016
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 3: of India. Some of these stories, some of these creatures,

1017
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 3: their allegations thereof may well be episodes all their own.

1018
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 3: They have their own rich mythology, lots of parallels to

1019
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: known biology, and at the very least, they tell us

1020
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 3: a lot about the societies in which these stories propagate.

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 3: If you enjoyed tonight's episode, be sure to tune in

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 3: for our upcoming explorations of more strange and unusual phenomena.

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Speaker 3: We're finally doing it after all these years. An episode

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Speaker 3: on crop circles.

1025
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Speaker 4: How did we not do that? How did we not

1026
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 4: do that?

1027
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: We did a video long, we did a video, and

1028
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: we felt like, oh, we did that. Yeah, that's what happened.

1029
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: That's what happened ed. Most importantly, folks, let us know

1030
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 3: what we should cover next. We try to be easy

1031
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 3: to find online.

1032
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 4: Oh yes we do. You can find us online at

1033
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 4: the handle conspiracy Stuff where we exist. On Facebook, where

1034
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 4: you can find our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy.

1035
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 4: On YouTube, we have video content coming at you every week,

1036
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 4: as well as on XFK Twitter. You can also find

1037
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Speaker 4: it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: We have a phone number, call it one eight three

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Speaker 2: three std WYTK. When you call in, you'll hear a

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01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 2: familiar voice. Then you'll have three minutes say whatever you'd

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Speaker 2: like do. Tell us your name or whatever you'd like

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Speaker 2: to be called, and if we can use your name

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Speaker 2: and message on the air. If you've got more to

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01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: say than can fit in that three minute voicemail, why

1045
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 2: not instead send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the folks who hear you whisper in the

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