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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: show on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lollie,

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Speaker 2: and you are listening to the Drive here on Steelers

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio. And Matt, we like to do this every

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Speaker 2: once in a while here, and we kind of touched

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Speaker 2: on it a little bit last week and we were

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Speaker 2: talking about the division wide receivers. Let's take a look

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Speaker 2: at the AFC North and kind of look at how

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Speaker 2: we stack each position here. Yea for the four teams

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Speaker 2: in the division. So we'll start here with the quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: For the Steelers right now, it's Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky.

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Speaker 2: We'll see who that third quarterback will be for the

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Speaker 2: ravens Lamar Jackson, Tyler Huntley. For the Bengals, Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: and Trevor Simeon who they signed last week after the draft.

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Speaker 2: That's a better backup situation than what they've had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little better. It's a little bit of

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Speaker 2: And for the Browns it's Deshaun Watson, Josh Dobbs and

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Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Robinson, who I think.

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Speaker 1: They project, they're hoping he can be a long term

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Speaker 1: backup and cheap.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I think Burrow stands alone, and I think Lamar

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Speaker 1: is an easy number two.

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Speaker 2: I think based on what they've done in their career

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Speaker 2: at to this point, I mean you have to put

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Speaker 2: Watson three, Yeah, agree with that, and then pick it four.

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Speaker 2: But I would put Trubisky five.

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Speaker 1: I think I think the Steelers definitely have the best

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Speaker 2: Think Trubisky is the clear five. In fact, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I know. Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl last year.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Huntley stinks.

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Speaker 1: They've been the Raven would have been a better team

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Speaker 1: with Trubisky.

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Speaker 2: Even though there's not a team out there that doesn't

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Speaker 2: want to play against Tyler Huntley, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, And the picket, of course is four. But

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Speaker 1: he out played Watson last year.

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Speaker 2: He did. It's particularly if you look at the especially

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Speaker 2: if you look at it through the lens of in

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Speaker 2: the games after Watson came back, and pick it from

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Speaker 2: that time on versus Watson at that time on.

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Speaker 1: They both played eight games, give or take. From that point,

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Speaker 1: Picket was the better player.

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Speaker 2: But Watson has the better track record.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean if you asked the Bears or the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks who would you rather play against the week one

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson or Kenny Pickett, they would pick Picket. But

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Speaker 1: that could still go drastically wrong for the Bengals. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it'll go for the Ravens or Bengals, or

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Speaker 1: for the Browns. I mean, I don't think it'll go

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Speaker 1: wrong for the Bengals or Ravens.

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Speaker 2: So would you pick in terms of the other backups?

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Speaker 2: Is better than Simeon, I guess, especially for what they

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Speaker 2: want to do. But what they want, well, we don't

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Speaker 2: know what they want to do. If they they want

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Speaker 2: to start throwing the football more, Tyler Huntley is a

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Speaker 2: terrible backup for what they want to do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, at least is the pocket passer,

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Speaker 1: someone of the big brother mentor type the Borough hunt with.

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Speaker 1: He has some Lamar like qualities. But neither one of

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Speaker 1: them is one of the ten best backups in the league.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, I think the quarterback rooms as a whole

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Speaker 2: probably line up the way we ranked them.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, because you can't put a ton of weight

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Speaker 2: It closes the gap between the Steelers and Ravens, or

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Speaker 2: it makes it. It actually makes it pretty close.

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Speaker 1: I mean probably outplayed Watson last year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he wasn't great and at the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the year, Watson was really bad. Uh, let's move over

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Speaker 2: to running backs. So with the Steelers, you got not

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Speaker 2: how that works out. The Ravens JK. Dobbins, Gus Edwards,

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Speaker 2: Jerome Ford. They drafted somebody too, didn't they.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I was shocked how lean they are running.

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Speaker 1: Shown Johnson and Hunt is out there still.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have not shown that they want to give

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Speaker 2: the ball to Nick Chubb twenty to twenty five times

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Speaker 1: They keep investing in wideouts but not running backs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: times have changed in Cleveland, but.

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Speaker 2: Then easily the best back. Yeah, the Browns are number one.

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Speaker 2: I think the Steelers are number two.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I was very unimpressed with mixing last year. Dobbins

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Speaker 1: is really hard to count on. Maybe Edwards is the

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Speaker 1: Warren being the best back.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what Edwards is at this point now.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play a lot of football last year either.

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Speaker 1: I mean, typical Ravens fashion, This position has durability questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think I trust what the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: in Harrison Warren more than I trust what the Ravens

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they might be fourth. I think they are.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is a crucial time in Dobbin's career.

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Speaker 2: People will look at that and go, yeah, but these

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Speaker 2: guys average this, They average what they average per carry

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Speaker 2: because of Lamar.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: The teams are willing if Lamar. They want Lamar to

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Speaker 2: hand the ball off the Dobbins and Edwards. Yeah ye,

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Speaker 2: and not keeping himself.

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Speaker 1: Fine, I mean, so then Dobbins is a good player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh no, I do too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to account for durability here too.

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Speaker 2: And past catching and all the all the little things there.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing. The Ravens running backs don't catch

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Speaker 1: They don't, and Dobbins is capable, but not at all,

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Speaker 1: And really the Browns don't either.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll do that more forward this year.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Wide receiver for the Steelers, you got Deontay Johnson, George Pickens,

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Speaker 2: Allen Robinson, Calvin Austin, Anthony Miller, Miles Boykin, Gunner, Olschewsky,

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Speaker 2: the Ravens Odell Beckham, Rashad Bateman's A Flowers, Nelson Aguilar,

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Speaker 2: Charlie Jones, Trenton Irvin and andre Yosivas. And the Browns

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Speaker 2: have Amari Cooper, Cedric Tillman, Elijah Moore, Donovan Peoples, Jones,

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Speaker 2: David Bell, Marquise Goodwin and Anthony schwartz Well. The Bengals

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Speaker 2: have the best receiving group in the league right.

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Speaker 1: Their top three is awesome, the two is incredible, so

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Speaker 1: they're number one. But I will say I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: many receiver rooms have improved as much as the Browns

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Speaker 1: and Ravens. Considering where they were at last year, they.

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Speaker 2: Were two of the worse than the league last year.

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Speaker 1: I say, yeah, they're now average. You know where they

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Speaker 1: I think so too.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got Deontay you got two thousand yard

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Speaker 2: former thousand yard receivers in Deontay Johnson and Allen Robinson.

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Speaker 2: You've got another receiver in Anthony Miller, who's your four

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Speaker 2: You've got Gunner ol Zchewsky, who has been an All

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Speaker 2: And everybody knows what George Pickens is.

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Speaker 1: I say, Pickens is the third second most talented guy

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Speaker 1: in the division. I mean Chase is one. I can't

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Speaker 1: say Beckham's two anymore, you know. I mean, like just

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Speaker 1: in terms of ability, he's right at the top of

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Speaker 2: That's it, you know. So I saw something where somebody

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Speaker 2: a fantasy related thing, put out the wide receiver rankings

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Speaker 2: for the entire league, and they had the Ravens wide

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Speaker 2: receiver group ranked ahead of the Steelers. Yeah, based on

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Speaker 1: Mean again, give me a full season of Beckham and

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Speaker 2: You know, like that's a pretty big if.

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Speaker 1: Though, it's a huge if. That's the thing. I mean.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens surbility across the board is bad and Flowers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a Fanatemen's heading into year three and

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Speaker 2: hasn't made it through a full He hasn't even made

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Speaker 2: it ten games. Yeah, in either of his first two seasons.

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Speaker 2: Odell Beckham hasn't played football in three years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I will say as fourth and fifth receivers,

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Speaker 1: go Aguilar and Durne are pretty darn good, but they're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna end up as third receivers or second receivers, right,

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Speaker 1: You just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like what the you know, Amari Cooper and

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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore is a nice duo there. Donovan People's Shown's

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Speaker 2: has some juice, but Elijah Moore has it. He's played,

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Speaker 2: he just hadn't done anything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think their top three, top four is

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Speaker 1: And again, I mean, I don't know if I'd rather

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Speaker 2: At tight ends. Steelers have Pat Fryarmuth are now Washington

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Speaker 2: Zach Gentry. The Ravens have Mark Andrews, Isaiah likely Charlie Kohler.

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Speaker 2: For the Bengals it's IRV Smith through sample Devon Asiassi

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Speaker 2: and for the Browns Devane Joku or David and Joko.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jordan Akins and Harrison Bryant. Well, obviously you

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Speaker 2: have to put the Ravens at number one.

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Speaker 1: I put the Steelers ahead of them. Do you I

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Speaker 1: put the Bengals last, although I kind of have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of hope for.

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Speaker 2: I know you love you, you have some IRV Smith love,

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 1: I think that's put up a shut up time. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's a nice pickup for them. But they're

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Speaker 1: clearly last. I think the other three are well above

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Speaker 1: average tight end rooms. And I'm not saying friar Mouth

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Speaker 1: is better than Andrews, but I don't think that gap

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Speaker 2: It's probably probably right. He just gets more Andrews gets

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Speaker 1: Right, right, right right. I mean I don't I've always

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Speaker 1: been a little hard on Andrews. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a good player. I don't think in the right situation.

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Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, I mean, but I think those I

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Speaker 2: think I think to your point, the Steelers, Ravens and

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Speaker 2: Brown's tight end rooms, well, the Steelers and Ravens tight

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Speaker 2: end rooms are in top ten in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and the and the Browns probably aren't far off of that.

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Speaker 1: Probably not the joke. Who's a good player.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a Harris and Brian's got some got

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Speaker 2: some talent. Jordan Akins is a good.

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Speaker 1: He's flashed in his career. Yeah, no, I mean it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say this after Receiver mixed. But

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Speaker 1: everyone thinks about the AFC North is big time running backs,

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Speaker 1: black and blue. There's a lot of good pass catchers

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, as you mentioned before, quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: The next one, here's the interesting one. Offensive line for

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock me if all four of these are

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he still can and they don't.

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Speaker 2: People compared athletically file Ale to Orlando Brown. The differences

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Speaker 2: you need to know. I mean, I get it. You

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Speaker 1: No, it's not Dan Wore versus Trent Williams.

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Speaker 2: Especially when you're already paying Jack Conklin twenty million dollars

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Speaker 1: In this conversation, though, I will give the Browns, you know, credit,

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Speaker 2: I think he's a better He's a I think he's

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh. At defensive tackle, Steelers have Cam Hayward, Cam Hayward,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta have you gotta have strong leadership in

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Speaker 1: He might be maybe their most important defensive player.

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Speaker 1: See, I looked at them and thought, boy, he'd be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not like to me what high Smith did

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing, So you know, guys like Queen and

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Speaker 2: a Wosa Coromoa have have splashed at times. Great athletes will,

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Speaker 2: great athletes will, but right now in their careers. And

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Speaker 2: I don't want to, I don't want this come off

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Speaker 2: the wrong way. But they're closer right now to Devin Bush.

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Speaker 2: Oh they are in years three than they are Rokwan

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Speaker 2: Smith or even Logan Wilson.

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Speaker 1: And the Ravens told you as much. They didn't pick

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Speaker 1: up a fifty year option at a position that's not

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Speaker 1: real expensive and drafted Trent and Simpson. It was core

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Speaker 1: Mora the whole world. And I was in this boat too.

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Speaker 1: How on earth did the Browns get j Okay in

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Speaker 1: the second round.

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Speaker 2: It's two hundred and ten pounds.

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Speaker 1: Ten pounds and that hasn't done much through two seasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's gonna flash at times, but a lot

447
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Speaker 2: of you know, when teams are running the ball right

448
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Speaker 2: down the Brown's throat constantly because he can't get off

449
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Speaker 2: of blocks. Yeah there, there's you know, there's something wrong there.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason why they've, you know, still feel the

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Speaker 2: need to have guys like Anthony Walker, Jacob Phillips Is

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Speaker 2: CIONI Tack attack like they've got better depth there. They

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Speaker 2: do because they need those guys to play beside Coromoa.

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Speaker 1: And for their sake, hopefully that whole foursome looks better

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Speaker 1: behind Ika and Tomlinson as opposed to behind Brian and

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Speaker 1: whoever the other jokers they played with their last.

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Speaker 2: Year, you know when Yeah, there were some jokers, all right.

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Speaker 2: Their problem is the Browns problem is going to continue

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Speaker 2: to be what happens when you get them and Nickel.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, because none of those guys that

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Speaker 2: they added can rush the passer.

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Speaker 1: Right right, right, Yeah, Their interior path rushers are lacking.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Tomlinson will get you a couple of sacks

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Speaker 2: a year, but he's not a big sack guy.

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Speaker 1: Ike is not a sack guy at all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: since he's like a glacier Marpian to play the tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they don't have that Nascar guy either,

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Speaker 1: you know that could bump inside and give you interior

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Speaker 1: pass rush.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where to rank the Steelers linebackers, but

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Speaker 1: it would be behind the Ravens and Bengals. Yeah, yeah, no, I.

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Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah, it's safety. The Steelers that make a Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 2: demonte Kay's e ke On O'Neill. The Ravens have Marcus Williams,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Hamilton, Geno Stone, the Bengals have Dax Hill, Jordan Battle,

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Speaker 2: Nick Scott. The Browns have Justin Thornhill, Grant Delpit, Rodney mclach.

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Speaker 1: Not a tremendous group of safeties either.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Fitzpatrick and Williams are the two best guys

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Speaker 2: in the division, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And I think Hamilton and Hill were guys I really

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Speaker 1: liked the year ago. Maybe year two goes a lot

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Speaker 1: better for them, but where they're at, I mean, they

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Speaker 1: they didn't blow me away as rookies.

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Speaker 2: You know, people a couple of years ago were, well,

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Speaker 2: well Grant Delp, it's going to be a star. Well

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Speaker 2: that hasn't happened.

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Speaker 1: And people thought that about Thornhill too, who they just

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Speaker 1: signed and.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, happened. They're more name than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I still think the Steelers were one

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Speaker 1: just because Minka it's so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I think you know, when you look

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Speaker 2: at it, you know, Neil has been a Pro Bowl guy.

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Speaker 2: Is he still that guy? You know? I don't think so,

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Speaker 2: but obviously he's got a role. We saw, you know,

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Speaker 2: what what they did with k z Lesher. I'm not

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Speaker 2: convinced too that they're not going to add to that group.

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Speaker 1: No, not either. I agree with you. I could see

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Speaker 1: a linebacker or a safety being added on at to

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Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, I'm not going to tell you case

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Speaker 1: he's a star, but in terms of how good he

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Speaker 1: is as a football player right now, he isn't any

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Speaker 1: different to me than Delpit, Thornhill, Dax Hill, Jordan Battle.

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Speaker 1: I won't say Kyle Hamilton because he's a freaky trades.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would trade him straight up for Dax Hill.

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Speaker 1: But Casey's good. And those guys I mentioned are good,

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Speaker 1: but they're not none of them are great.

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Speaker 2: I know what he is more the more so that

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Speaker 2: I know what those other.

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Speaker 1: Guys are exactly. I mean, there's some young talent there,

511
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Speaker 1: some high picks, but safety is not always based on

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Speaker 1: tightweight speed.

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Speaker 2: At the cornerback position, the Steelers at Patrick Peterson, Joey Porter,

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Speaker 2: Junior Levi Wallace, Akello Weatherspoon, Arthur Mallett, James Pierre, Corey,

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Speaker 2: Corey Trice, and Channon Sullivan. The Ravens Marlin, some.

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Speaker 1: Of those guys aren't making the team either.

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Speaker 2: Right, but they've got they got to do. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Ravens have Marlon Humphrey, Rocky You Sin Brandon, STEVENSKYU Blue, Kelly, Jalen,

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Speaker 2: Armore Davis. The Bengals have should all be at Woozy A,

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Speaker 2: Cam Taylor, Britt Mike Hilton, DJ Turner, Sidney Jones, and

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Speaker 2: the Browns have Denzel wre Greg Newsom, Martin Emerson, Cameron Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: The Browns still don't have a slot.

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Speaker 1: No, they don't. I wonder if they have one of

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Speaker 1: their safeties they're projecting there at Thornhill.

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Speaker 2: Maybe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what their playing is.

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Speaker 2: On that too, Is that why they signed I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I Ronnie McLeod have any background in the slot. Been

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Speaker 2: around the league for.

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Speaker 1: A while, maybe, but he's slow. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: go to our lads, Newsom is listed as their slot,

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Speaker 1: but that's not.

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Speaker 2: What he is. He's not a slot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's a guy. There was reports that he

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Speaker 2: wanted to be traded. Maybe it's because he doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to play in the slot.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that could be. I think Cameron Mitchell might be.

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Speaker 1: But was he a fifth round pick or something?

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Speaker 2: Rookie? Yeah? I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: To rank these. This isn't tough.

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Speaker 2: It's tough because none of these groups. If you look

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Speaker 2: at you know, Humphrey is still you know, a big name.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Didn't have a great year though.

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Speaker 2: But didn't have a great year last year. Denzel Award.

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Speaker 2: They're paying a bunch of money too, But I don't

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Speaker 2: view him as a true cornerback one.

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Speaker 1: He might be the best corner in the division, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's a top ten corner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he might be.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna jump on that table.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like Newsome coming out in the draft,

553
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Speaker 2: but he was okay, not great, not great. Peterson's Peterson

554
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Speaker 2: is the biggest name in the division now, but he's

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Speaker 2: not what he was.

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Speaker 1: This is a hard thing to quantify, but he might

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Speaker 1: have had the best twenty twenty two season of any

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Speaker 1: of these guys we mentioned. Yeah, yeah, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: squinting a little, but we talked about this earlier with Porter,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of throwing out rookie of the

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Speaker 1: year's U he could become the best corner in this

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Speaker 1: division in a year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, based on the on the traits

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Speaker 2: and you know, Humphreys slipping. You know, if we if

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Speaker 2: we were doing this going into last year, Humphreys a

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Speaker 2: slam dunk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Peters was on the team then and he's

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Speaker 1: even unemployed. Guys like a Woozy and Taylor Brett are

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Speaker 1: good players, and people know Hilton is too. Like the

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Speaker 1: Bengals have a good quarter corner room. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know any of these groups are bad or great, and.

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Speaker 2: They're all kind of the middle of the pack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but stands up most of me

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Speaker 1: is there's eight names for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they get a lot of guys that you know

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Speaker 2: other than I mean, Trice, we can't say is a high, high,

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Speaker 2: you know level rookie because he went the seventh round,

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Speaker 2: but he was considered a third round guy in a

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Speaker 2: deep cornerback draft. You know, Porter was the fourth corner

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Speaker 2: taken or fifth corner whatever it was. You know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. It's it's an interesting position this year in

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Speaker 2: the division. You know. The other part of this is

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Speaker 2: you look then at that safety safety groups and you

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Speaker 2: put it all on one piece.

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Speaker 1: The defensive backs is one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just make it. Just look at your defensive backs

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Speaker 2: as one category.

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Speaker 1: It's not great.

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Speaker 2: It's not great.

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Speaker 1: And we were talking about the quarterbacks and pass catchers

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Speaker 1: in division.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't lie, it doesn't line up. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's put it down.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't last little nugget though. I mean, if I'm

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, I have hopes that Blue Kelly, Armor Davis

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Speaker 1: and or Brandon Stevens. They're young, talented dudes. One of

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Speaker 1: them has to be a guy for them. Yeah, they could,

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Speaker 1: they could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they just signed Rocky you sin and he's

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Speaker 2: just a guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's less like going out and signed to

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Speaker 2: do be a woesy like. Yeah, it doesn't move the needle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't move the needle. But that's the AFC North

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Speaker 2: and a nuts shell.

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Speaker 1: Steelers stack up as well as any of them when

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Speaker 1: you look at it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's how you kind of have to look

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Speaker 2: at you know. If we did coaching and added that

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Speaker 2: to the equation and special teams and special teams, the

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Speaker 2: Steelers would again stack up well when you look at

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Speaker 2: the entire picture there. Yeah, that's going to do it

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