1 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson. 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our. 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: a sibling. 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 4: Railvalr No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, revelry. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: That's good, Ollie, this is me. I'm so excited right now. 8 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 3: I know you are because I'm obsessed with these ladies. 9 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 3: I love them. They're so brilliant, they're so beautiful. They're 10 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: the most incredible voices. They're beautiful songwriters. They're uh have 11 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 3: been around since she thousand and seven. They were formed 12 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn. They work with everybody from Harry Styles to 13 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: War on Drugs to Brandy Carlow and then they've really 14 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: like made a name for themselves and I just literally 15 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: they are an obsession of mine. And it's Lucius Holly 16 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: I think you pronounce it Lasig and Jess Wolf and 17 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 3: they gave us exclusively their new single, Thickest Thieves, for 18 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: people to listen to only on our podcast downloadable right 19 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 3: yep on our podcast. 20 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: For the two days after right, we'll get through the 21 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: interview and then we're going to play it. 22 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: Then we're going to play it. Yeah, and I'm so 23 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: and you've never you never knew them, and I. 24 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: Kind of getting myself, you know, up to speed. Obviously. 25 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: I heard their single incredible, and then you have been 26 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: sort of giving me songs to listen to them, and 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: they're amazing. I mean, adding to my playlist for sure 28 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: without a doubt. 29 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'll be fangirling this whole interview. 30 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: And I have like, I love the harmonies a lot, like, oh, well, 31 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: that's what they do, beautiful, juste cerial. 32 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: You know. 33 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: It's also like for girls. I think they're just their 34 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 3: whole vibe is the best. Anyway, let's let's get into it. 35 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: And I can't wait to meet them. 36 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, hi, Hi, Hey, Oh welcome. 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: I'm so happy and excited that you're on the show 38 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: on our on our podcast. 39 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for having us. 40 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Where are you right now? 41 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: We're in my little casita in the back of my 42 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: house in Silver Lake. 43 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: Oh so you're in La Yeah? Oh cool? Do you 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: both live here? I don't know why I thought you 45 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: guys lived in Nashville. 46 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: I was splitting time in Nashville. 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: I did a show called Nashville in Nashville. I was Oh, yeah, 48 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: so I lived there for a couple of years as well. 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: I'm friends with Cali. 50 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 2: Oh you are yeah, CALLI t Bone. 51 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: We're actually going to record with t Bone tonight. 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: You are Oh fun, amazing. 53 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: I was just with the guy who mixes for tea bone. Yeah, 54 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: maybe Zach Zach Dog. I don't know. I was doing 55 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: I was doing something at the village and there was 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: a guy in there and he was saying he was 57 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: mixing something for tea bone. 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe it could have been Zach. But he's 59 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: my neighbor and uh my, my, my Hebrew school boyfriend. 60 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: Stop it. 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: Where did you grow up? 62 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: I grew up in the valley. 63 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: In the valley, and you and I grew up in Cleveland. 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 3: In Cleveland, Wow, it's very different than the valley. 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 66 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: I remember going to Cleveland for the first time on 67 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: tour with my ex husband and I was like twenty 68 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: one years years old, and we showed up to a 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: mall where the hotel was so like, you're in the 70 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: mall and then all I wanted to do is like 71 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: something and I went down. I was like, what's there 72 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: to do? And the guy the concierge was like, ah, 73 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 3: like not like you could go bowling, And I was like. 74 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 6: Bowling was a big, a big pastime. 75 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so we went bowling and fun. It was fun, 76 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: It was fun. 77 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: It was I was having a bit of a renaissance. Yeah, 78 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: like renaissance might be a little okay, that's but there's 79 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: like a little bit of a food scene, arts scene, now, yeah, 80 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: a couple of That's what happens when things are really boring. 81 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, how does how does the valley meet Cleveland? How 82 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: does that? That seems like worlds away? 83 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: At school in Boston, yeah, you know all the way. Yeah, yeah, 84 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: so you guys been in school. 85 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, we went to Berkeley College of Music. 86 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: Okay, of course you did. 87 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: I have like I have, I have a secret like 88 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 3: and like of envy it every I've worked with so 89 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: many people who have gone to the Berkeley at this point, 90 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: and I'm like, it just feels like the best musicians 91 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 3: come out of that college. 92 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: You know. 93 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: It was all about community. So I think both of 94 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: us felt a lack of community early in our early years, 95 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: and so when we went to school, it was like 96 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: the first time we had a place where there were 97 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: like minded kids and it was just so nice to 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: create and to share ideas and explore things, and and 99 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: that was that was the real I think gift of Berkeley. Yeah. 100 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 5: I mean I remember like coming from you know, my 101 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: town in Ohio, and I. 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 6: Coming to Berkeley. 103 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 5: In the first couple of days, like the first day 104 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 5: in the it felt like to me that that blind 105 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 5: Melon video where she the little bee finds all finally 106 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 5: at the end. 107 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, the best video ever. 108 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Video. 109 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, do you still work with people from that 111 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: you went to school with? 112 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean we still have a bunch of close friends 113 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: and our bandmates all went to Berkeley. 114 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 115 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Wow, sort of by accident because we weren't We didn't 116 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: form together with them until we were in New York. 117 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: But so wait, you go to Berkeley and you're walking 118 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: down the hall and you just like kind of high 119 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: five and you're like, let's let's do this exactly. 120 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 6: We had matching outfits off. 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: You know, how do you find each other? How how 122 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: does one find each other? Generally? 123 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 3: Give us like genesis, Like what was the what was 124 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: the first time you met? 125 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: The first time we met. I don't know that. I 126 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that I remember the very first time. 127 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you came into our room. Maybe I 128 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 5: don't remember for sure, but you were friends. 129 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: My my first friend at school was Holly's roommate, and 130 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: we were in the same orientation group. And she's a 131 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: wild girl, and I remember her sharing things with me 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: that I had I feel like I had never even 133 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: known about, let alone. 134 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: Wait, this is the roommate. Yeah, yeah, oh. 135 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to be friends with this one. And then yeah, 136 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember, but we somehow ended up all hanging 137 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: out in their room, like cooking on Holly's rice cooker. Yeah, 138 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and the rest was history. 139 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: Did you study did you study instrument or was it 140 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: just vocals? 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 6: It was vocal? 142 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 5: Vocal was our instrument at school, Okay, And then I 143 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 5: guess I didn't have panel flash at Berkeley. 144 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: But I'm I'm so curious because you have at Berkeley. 145 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: You've got just a ton of musicians spanning all different 146 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: the spectrum of music, right. And then it's the community 147 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: is big, it's real. There's so much opportunity to fall 148 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: in with someone or a group or something that is 149 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: going to sort of propel you or launch you or 150 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: inspire you. And like for you guys to have found 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: each other, what was the thing you know? It's like 152 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: are you making rice? And all of a sudden you're 153 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: like and then it's like, wow, like this works. 154 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's sort of us in a nutshell. I mean, 155 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: we started talking about our musical upbringings and the music 156 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: really that our dads would play for us. 157 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: And what were those what was it old school. 158 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,479 Speaker 1: Soul music, Sam Cook, Roy Orbison, like the oldies channels. 159 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: We both were sort of old souls, and so we 160 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: decided to get together and do a white album cover show, 161 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: a girl group version of the white album, which never happened. 162 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: I love that idea. 163 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be cool. Yeah. 164 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 165 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: We started working on Happiness as a warm gun, and 166 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: then we just sort of pivoted and started writing our 167 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: own songs. 168 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 169 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 5: And it wasn't like any particular plan or vision or 170 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 5: goal end goal in mind. We just kept getting together 171 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 5: after that point and started writing our own music and 172 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 5: booking little shows. 173 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 3: And obviously your guys's voice, I mean, you know, because 174 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: that's your instrument in your ear that the second you 175 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: start singing together, it's like, hmm, did you sell? 176 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I think there amazing moment when we got in the 177 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: studio for the first time and recorded and you know, 178 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted 179 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: to be lead singers together, and you know, we didn't 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: want to just do harmonies or just trade off versus 181 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: or something. And we were thinking about some of our 182 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: favorite sort of recordings Elliott Smith and Phil Spector, The 183 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: Wall of Sound, and a lot of these recordings doubled 184 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: double track vocals, so we were like, oh, well, we 185 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: could just do that live. 186 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: I would think that you guys would have had that 187 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: kind of moment where you were like, you know, this 188 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: sounds amazing, because then for those who don't know that, 189 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: listen in our podcast. You've also I mean you've sang 190 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: with so many people and have collaborated with so many 191 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: musicians and just like make everything they do sound great. 192 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: I personally, like, I find myself falling in love with 193 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 3: music that I don't know you're on, and and you're 194 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: on it like I don't live here anymore. I cover that. 195 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: I love covering that song. I love that song, such 196 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: a great song. But then you're on that and then 197 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 3: you know, dance Around It was like, I mean I 198 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: knew that was your song, but dance around it is 199 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: like Ronnie and I as theme song in life, my 200 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: daughter and and uh, and so just you guys, And 201 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: it ranges from I mean your everything you do range, 202 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: it has so much range. And and I love the 203 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: new single. I'm so excited that you're allowing us to, 204 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: you know, give it an exclusive play and and but 205 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 3: I mean it started Okay, so you guys you met 206 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: in Berkeley, then you went to New York and O 207 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: seven and what was so what was your first big break? 208 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? 209 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think nbr's Tiny Desk was that was kind 210 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: of the first. Well we had written. 211 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 6: Bob Boyle and like before that a couple of times. 212 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, we had sent him like handwritten letters and 213 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 7: burned CDs and then he finally, you know, got in 214 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 7: touch with us, and we did a Tiny Desk And 215 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 7: that was the first time that we started playing shows 216 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 7: where people that like weren't related to us. 217 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 6: Showed up and we were like, what's happening here? 218 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: Wow, you're singing along? 219 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 6: Yeah? 220 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so so that felt that really feels like 221 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 5: probably the biggest break, and people still bring it up 222 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 5: even though. 223 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 6: It was stages ago. Yeah, look back and feel like 224 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 6: baby's doing that. 225 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, why did we wear bows in our hair? 226 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: Why did we do that to ours? 227 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: Oh my god? Where? How long were you in New York? 228 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: We were in New York for eight years? 229 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 6: Yeap. 230 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: And it was really fun. It was it felt like 231 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: and I'm sure everyone feels that way about when they're 232 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: when they're living in New York, but at the time, 233 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: it felt like there was just there was a certain 234 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: magic happening, like hmm, well, I remember like going all 235 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: the jazz clubs. I mean on the weekly. We lived 236 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: with a couple of jazz musicians as well, but we 237 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: just go from from room to room and hear you know, 238 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: Jon Batiste and Chris Dave and Robert Glasper And this 239 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: was before they were the versions of themselves that you 240 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: know now. 241 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that time I was living in New York then, 242 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 3: like the early aughts, and so is my partner Danny, 243 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: and they had a band of Chief and there was 244 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: just this like vibe happening in New York that was 245 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 3: like the Cabin, remember the Cabin the club. It was 246 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: like you go down there in every musician that you 247 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 3: just either loved or were discovering would be there until 248 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: like four in the morning. Yeah, it was such a 249 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 3: it was such a great time for music. 250 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: It really was. Yeah, and we took it for granted 251 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: because that's what you do. But we we I mean 252 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: took it for granted. I shouldn't say that we immersed ourselves, 253 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: but we didn't know. 254 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 6: How much of a moment it was was, you know, until. 255 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: Until you're gone. 256 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. 257 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I remember seeing Jack White. I remember seeing 258 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 3: the White Stripes at Bowie Ballroom when everyone was like 259 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: clamoring over them to sign them and and or or 260 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: deciding I wouldn't even say clamoring, just deciding whether they 261 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 3: were going to sign them or not. And I had 262 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: a friend that was at Virgin and we went to 263 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: Bowerie and saw it and it was so fucking great. 264 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: And I was like, you're an idiot if you don't 265 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: sign this band, like yeah, and they were like these 266 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: like Detroit kids that just were, you know, hopping around 267 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: getting bigger and bigger. It was like that. It's just 268 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: that that energy around that time was just have It 269 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: was awesome. It doesn't exist there anymore like that, or 270 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't feel. 271 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 5: Like unless there's a new younger, I mean, probably we're 272 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: out of touch. 273 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: Well no, because my son's at n y U. He's 274 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: there and it really doesn't. It doesn't have the same 275 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: it's not for that for music, it's not it's not 276 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: the same. 277 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: Like do you think it's the rise of like ed 278 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 2: M and more of an electronic vibe or this new 279 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: sort of era of hip hop? You know, Like what 280 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: is it that you think? 281 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: You know? 282 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: Why do you think that that's. 283 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: Everyone's making music in there? 284 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 285 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: Right, it's it's also really like live music is these venues, 286 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: Like I think it's expensive, like this idea that we're. 287 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: Going because they're just listening or watching elsewhere. I mean 288 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: there was the need for community. Yeah, I think communities 289 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: made our entire careers. Yeah, I think that's like you. 290 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, singing on other people's tracks 291 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: or you know, going on tour with whomever, building a 292 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 1: network in New York, Like, I don't know, just I 293 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: feel like we'd be nothing without everyone. 294 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, what was your first big tour probby Jack Waye? 295 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, that was probably our first in Europe. 296 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like our first arena tour. 297 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 6: Yeah. 298 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: Fun, how do you how does that work out? You 299 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: just get the call, Hey, we want you guys on 300 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: the bill, simple as that. 301 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the basic label again like this is 302 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, friends of friends of friends, but the basis 303 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: Dominic was friends. His wife was a childhood friend of 304 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: our old guitar player, and he they had heard our 305 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: record and passed it on to Jack and you know, 306 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: invited us, invited us out something like that. Yeah. I 307 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: think before that we had done some like van tours 308 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: with like JD. McPherson, and that was our first, our 309 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: first first real tour. 310 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 3: What was your first big burnout, like get me the 311 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 3: fuck off the road, Like do you remember the moment 312 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 3: we were like I can't do I can't I mean, 313 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: I know, I don't even play music, and I had 314 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: that like being married to one. I was like I'm 315 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 3: gonna go crazy. 316 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 6: I think. 317 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: Well, on Wilder Woman, our first record, we toured relentlessly 318 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: and we were driving ourselves in a van and we 319 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 5: did radio shows in the morning, like we drive overnight 320 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 5: and then do a radio show at seven in the 321 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 5: morning and then get to the venue. And we were 322 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 5: so how many we had like two non consecutive weeks 323 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 5: off that entire year, and the end of the year 324 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 5: we were in Europe and I remember like walking the 325 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 5: streets of Paris just like a zombie being like. 326 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm in Paris, why are you enjoying this? 327 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 6: We were just so tired. 328 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, although I have a baby and go on tour 329 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: and it's a whole new level of exhaustion. 330 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh my god. 331 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: I was. 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 3: Crazy. I mean, very tour story, but I'll share it. 333 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: You guys will appreciate this. Chris was headlining Bonaroo and 334 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: and Rider was a year and change and got a 335 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 3: one hundred and five fever where he started to become lethargic. No, no, no, 336 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: I had to take him to the Nashville Children's Hospital, 337 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: get him on a thing. I didn't know what was 338 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: going on. He'd take X rays I had. He was 339 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: on an ivy. Chris had to get to bonn Aerou, 340 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: so he took one bus. I had the other bus. 341 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: I am then now going back. Finally we left. Now 342 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to bonn Aerou with a sick baby. And 343 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: then and then he starts getting sick again and throwing 344 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: up everywhere, and I'm calling the doctor and I'm like, 345 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: I just was like, I just wanted to be homeless, 346 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: Like guys want to get home. I'm on the bus 347 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: in the middle of like, cause Bonnarou obviously he's a 348 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 3: little bit outside of Nashville. And finally I called the doctor. 349 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 3: He's like, his fever's probably breaking. He's going to be okay. 350 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: And we finally landed at Bonnaroo, and Rider was finally 351 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 3: like calmed down and watching something on the bus, and 352 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 3: I just got outside and I looked out at this festival, 353 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: which is where everybody's coming to like celebrate and have 354 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,239 Speaker 3: a great time and party and have fun. And I 355 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: was just like, get me off the road, Get me 356 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 3: off the road with the baby. It's so hard. I 357 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 3: can't even imagine what it's like for you having to 358 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 3: then go. So I hope that never happens to you 359 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: on your way to bonn Row. 360 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: It probably will. 361 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: How old is your baby now? 362 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: Mine is ten months? 363 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 364 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: And we've been on the road since eight weeks. Wow, 365 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: he's he's thank god. He is so social. Never met 366 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: a stranger. 367 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: He didn't like, he's a road baby. 368 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: He yeah. Although the sleep, uh, you know, magically, we 369 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: get on tour and he won't sleep through the night, 370 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, come on, just like wait till we 371 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: get home for that. So I. 372 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: Feel like I feel like it's just better to sleep 373 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: with the baby because then they sleep better. 374 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: You know, he won't sleep in my bed. Really, he 375 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: wants his own space. He's an independent man. 376 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 3: How does that feel for you? I mean eight weeks 377 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 3: and you were I mean that's hard, that's like distinct. 378 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: And I had a I had a C section. 379 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: Oh stop. So you're six weeks of basically not really 380 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 3: to do anything, and two weeks later you're not You're singing. 381 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I wasn't. I know, I wasn't recovered. I'm 382 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: still not recovered. Yeah, it was. It was too soon. 383 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: It was too soon, but you know, okay, it was. 384 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: It was special because the year before at the same festival, 385 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: we played Brandy Carlisle's festival festival in Mexico, and she's 386 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: a dear friend, and the year before I had a 387 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: miscarriage at the festival. Wow, So I was wanting to 388 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: repair that, change that narrative full cle moment. So I 389 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: was sort of determined to be there. 390 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: I mean, this isn't pretty cool? 391 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 3: How did that? How did that feel? 392 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: It felt really powerful? I mean I don't even think 393 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: in the moment until we got on stage. 394 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 3: Uh and she brought him out. 395 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there was like a full symba moment, and yeah, 396 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: it felt it felt really healing and necessary. So I 397 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad we did it. I was exhausted. I'm glad 398 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: we did it. And Holly, I mean Holly was eight 399 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: months pregnant on tour with a toddler. Yeah, nanny. We 400 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: were hiring a different babysitter in each city. Yeah, maybe the. 401 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 3: Worst guys, you do you get one nanny for the 402 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: both of you on. 403 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 5: The road, DAWs, And we didn't had there was you know, 404 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 5: we were like sharing a bus with everyone, so yeah, 405 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 5: wow in every city and had to re explain everything 406 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 5: every day. 407 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: So but back in the day, I love those guys 408 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: when you guys, when you guys were touring, you know, 409 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 2: back in the day. Yeah, were you did you party? 410 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: Did you drink? Did you have fun? 411 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? 412 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to be ahead, well, 413 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: I mean for some people. For me, it's hard to 414 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: be a heavy drinker and sing, like really sing. So 415 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: I I never was a heavy drinker, right, that wasn't my. 416 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: That wasn't my. 417 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: But it's just funny to see the the the sort 418 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: of from from the beginning of when there's free birds 419 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: drinking having fun to now you're on tour with with 420 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: babysitters or with children, and it's just a whole fucking 421 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: different ball game. 422 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: Different ball game. We definitely party, We definitely had fun. 423 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: We were NonStop. Yeah, and we didn't know what light ahead. 424 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: It's nice. 425 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 6: You know, no hangovers now. 426 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of hangover, no hangover. I still I 427 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 3: feel like, even with kids, I still have hangovers. Yeah 428 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: every once in a while. 429 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,640 Speaker 2: Yeah from alcohol. 430 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 3: You're saying, okay, yeah, I still go out like you. 431 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: Just had one just this weekend. 432 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: I know, I had a horrible hangover, but I didn't 433 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: even drink. Oh. I woke up. I had a martini 434 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 3: and and and and white wine, and then I had 435 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: a glass of way whine and I woke up like 436 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 3: I drank a bottle of vodka. It was like, what 437 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: the fuck? My brain felt like it was exploding. 438 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 5: But that's the thing, is like, yeah, the tolerance is 439 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 5: way down now, and I just I can't. 440 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 441 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 5: I mean, I have a couple of beers. I love 442 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 5: a beer beer girl. 443 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: So is Ali's wife. I love beer. I love a 444 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 3: good beer too, like a cold there's only a cold beer, 445 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 3: you know. 446 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: A cold, shitty beer. Honestly, I know like none of 447 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: these I pas. 448 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: Yes, Aaron loves the I p as. 449 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: I like and like like like. 450 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: A Miller, like a Miller High Life for like a PBR. 451 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 5: I like like I like a wheat beer beer like a. 452 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: Half of Vice. 453 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like a Vice. And I if I have any alcohol. 454 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: Before I start saying I sound awful, I mean it's drying. 455 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: It's really like, I mean you need you need the hydration. 456 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, we're sent. We get more and more sensitive 457 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: as we get a little older. So it's it makes 458 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: sense I have to do so much more than I 459 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: ever had to do ten years ago. 460 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, did you both grow up in very musical households? 461 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 6: Very artistic? I would say we both did. 462 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 5: Some music, like music lovers and there was some music 463 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 5: in my family too, piano players and singers and stuff 464 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 5: like on my dad's side, but in my immediate family 465 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 5: it was there was a lot of visual art and 466 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 5: same with chess. That was another thing that we kind 467 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 5: of connected on. 468 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it shows in your in your whole how 469 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: you present yourself, you know, your outfits and how. But 470 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 3: so what did they do my mom is? 471 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: I mean, she she's a I wouldn't call her a 472 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: painter per se, but she paints and she she's just 473 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: an artistic person. She she's worked at the Getty for 474 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 1: twenty eight years since it opened. 475 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: Oh wow, cool, I live right near the Getty. I'm 476 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: gonna go say hi to her after this. 477 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: Anytime you want a tour, she's your. 478 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 5: Ye. 479 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: She's just kind of an awesome lady. She's she's more 480 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,239 Speaker 1: of like an art historian and she's Yeah. So she 481 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: always inspired me. And my dad had great taste in music, 482 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: so he was the one playing me, you know, tapes 483 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: and CDs as a young girl. And you know, he 484 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: introduced me to Linda Ronstad and Edna James and Arifa 485 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: and you know Roy Arbison, and I was, I was 486 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: doing a lot of listening. He really made me fall 487 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: in love with music. 488 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: I mean, my mom was primarily a weaver until we 489 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 5: were little, and then she she was an art teacher 490 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: for a while. And my grandfather was a painter and 491 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 5: he was the art director for American Greetings. So both 492 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 5: of my folks worked at American Greetings for for a 493 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 5: while as well. 494 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: Oh cool. 495 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:33,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, Cleveland, that's like a weaver is like amazing. 496 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 6: Ohioan's weave too. 497 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: I love it. I'm like, wow, that might that's so 498 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: that makes me so. 499 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Happy, Cleveland, you might be weaving. 500 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: That's gonna go to the tourism board. 501 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 3: So how do you do your do outfits? Like do 502 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 3: you have like I mean, I'm sure everyone who knows 503 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: and loves you wants to know how this rice? Do 504 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 3: you work with stylist? You do yourself? 505 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 2: I was going to ask them about that too, just 506 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: the evolution to of just not just your music, but 507 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: you know the aesthetic, Like did that evolve and is 508 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: it constantly evolving? 509 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's evolving, like with our you know, we're always 510 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: creating a different world dependent on the on the music 511 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: that's being written. Really, we wanted to. 512 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 8: Dress the sounds we had, you know, because we loved 513 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 8: girl groups and we loved we love visual things. 514 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 6: And striking things. 515 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 5: We had always that was always going to be an 516 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 5: element of it. And we were initially like coordinating, you know, 517 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: coordinating our outfits. But then we went to south By 518 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 5: very first south By Southwest that we did right, and 519 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 5: a friend of ours said, you know what you guys 520 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 5: should do, should dress exactly the same, like head to 521 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 5: two everything, because you. 522 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: Sound like one. So you should look like one. 523 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,479 Speaker 5: Person, and we both kind of like creepy things and 524 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 5: the like. 525 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's like a choir when you when you 526 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: see a choir and everyone's in matching robes, you think 527 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: about a group of people per se. You think about 528 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: the sound that they're creating together. When you look at them, 529 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: you look at as a unit. Yeah, and so we 530 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: were like and at the time, we couldn't afford a 531 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: set or something like that, so we were a walking set. 532 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: So anytime we'd go to a festival and we had 533 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: our hair bleached exactly the same way, and our costumes 534 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: and everything was just our nail polish, everything exactly the same. 535 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: People were like, who the fuck are they best? 536 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 5: Like, go to this stage at three pm and check 537 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 5: it out. And it served us in those early days 538 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 5: for sure. 539 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And who made the cost did you have like 540 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: a friend who made them or did you do them yourself? 541 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: We were just like getting cheap outfits honestly, and like 542 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: tailor them, but just like finding weird shit online or whatever. 543 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: And now you know, we have a couple of people 544 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: that do our embroidery, like Fort Lonesome does our embroidery. 545 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: We have a tailor in La that if we have 546 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: a wild idea, he'll I'll find some fabric and he'll 547 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: sew it together. 548 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: Fine. 549 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: We've done some stuff with Christian Joy who does a 550 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: lot of Kareno's stuff, our friend Amy when we need help, 551 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: especially like as a group helping the guy's dress and stuff. 552 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: Amy Soderland, she dresses us. But normally it's normally it's us. 553 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 3: I love it fun, although. 554 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: Full time job finding costumes and figuring it out, so 555 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, at some point it'd be nice. 556 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: I feel like it's like I don't know how to 557 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: explain that to people, but that's like, like I love, 558 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 3: like playing dress up is something I will do until 559 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 3: I die. Yeah, because just so much fun. 560 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: It was sort of a happy accident. But we both 561 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: wanted to be lead singers in the band, but we 562 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: wanted to be lead singers together. And a lot of 563 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: the records that we loved so much were you know, 564 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Elliott Smith and Phil Spector all the like Wall of 565 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Sound recordings, and a lot of those recordings there were 566 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: double tracked vocals, so we sort of were like, well 567 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: we could we could do this in the studio, but 568 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: we could do it live. And a lot of people 569 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: don't do that, you know, we don't know many people 570 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: who do that, like the roaches maybe, or you know 571 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: some not that many people. So we we started doing 572 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: that and it was a very natural fit. Separately, we 573 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: have very different voices, different tambres, but together it does 574 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: create this sort of unusual, unusual thing. 575 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 5: And yeah, and I think like, because we have these 576 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 5: two different tambres, we can get more dynamic out of 577 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 5: our sound because we play to whoever's strength is happening. 578 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 6: At which point, you. 579 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: Know, do you guys ever fight? 580 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: Not really, not really. We've fought a few couple of times, 581 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: a couple of times in twenty years. 582 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: Though. 583 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's been like two like I'm leaving a 584 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: moment and then like ten minutes later, you know, it's over. 585 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 5: I just think we're it's it. It's kind of like 586 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 5: the voices is that the personalities are different enough to 587 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 5: be really complimentary, and we have different strengths, so we're 588 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 5: not really like, yeah, it's not. 589 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: And when you work with other people, are you writing 590 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: with them or like do you do you do writing sessions? 591 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: We write together or we just do like vocal arrangements. 592 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times people just want us 593 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: to come and do their do our thing in their world. 594 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: And so you know, we've been given, thankfully a lot 595 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: of freedom to just go in there and you know, paint. 596 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: Have you been offered collaborations or done collaborations where you 597 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: get the call and you're like, this is weird, but 598 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: let's give this a shot, you know what I mean. 599 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 6: I mean we've had like. 600 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 5: Kind of from all like very different worlds have been 601 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: to us, and so not like ooh, this is super 602 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: weird because we like all different kinds of music and 603 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 5: I think that's maybe what's attractive for other people. But 604 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 5: it is funny when you see some of the artists 605 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 5: that we've worked with like side to side and you're like, 606 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 5: that's wild. 607 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like completely different walks of music. Was there 608 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 3: a moment when someone called you and you were like, 609 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: oh shit, cool, Like was that like a first kind 610 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: of artist that time that. 611 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: Like we were invited to come sing with Roger we 612 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: were Roger Waters and do the Pink Floyd thing. We 613 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: were sort of like that was the first sort of 614 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: time on that scale, and we didn't know what to expect. 615 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 1: We were told we were going to sing on two 616 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: songs we were doing a sort of he wasn't announced, 617 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: so like a surprise appearance at Newport Folk Fest in 618 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: Rhode Island, which is a very special place in itself, 619 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: and my warning jacket was to be the backup band 620 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: and Holly and I were going to sing and Roger 621 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: was coming. So we were learning all these Floyd songs, 622 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 1: well two of them, and we had written Roger like 623 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: if there's anything else because we had seen the setlist, 624 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: or like, there's a lot of potential songs on here 625 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: that we could sing on, and he wrote back cool 626 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 1: dash Are Yeah. So we sort of were like, let's 627 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: just learn it in case because you never know, you know. 628 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: And we get there and we sing through these songs. 629 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: It's great. You could tell he was into it. We 630 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: sit down to just admire the rest of the set 631 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: of the rehearsal and he starts playing through the verse 632 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: of another song and he stops and he looks over 633 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: at us and he yells, yells not. We were like, 634 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: and Jim James Is He's like, oh no, they're not 635 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: singing on this song, and he's like, they're singing on 636 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: every song. Yeah, And the show is the show. 637 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 638 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 5: We went back to the hotel and just like crammed 639 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 5: finals all night. 640 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 3: How how like exciting? 641 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: It was epic. I mean, like I remember the rain 642 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: was pouring down during Mother and then the clouds parted 643 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: and you know, we did wish you were here, some 644 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: clips clips right, A rainbow came out. I mean it 645 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:27,720 Speaker 1: was it was just like really, yeah, Captain for sure, 646 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,760 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean that was a pretty magical, magical moment. 647 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: You can't really write those ones. 648 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: That's so cool. I know you guys like to work 649 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 3: with David Cob a lot, but are there any sort 650 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 3: of producers or writers that just like you feel like 651 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 3: really or just magic? 652 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: John Everett Sean Everett's a longtime collaborator. He first mixed our, 653 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: He mixed our first record. 654 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 5: He connected us with Warn Drugs for that, so he 655 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 5: did I Don't Live Here and he did all. 656 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: Those all those records we were sort of making simultaneously 657 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: and trading off days in the studio, and so that's 658 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: how we met Adam. And he's just one of the 659 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: He's the most creative person I think we've ever met. 660 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: He's just one of those people that there is nothing 661 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: that can't be done and everything that can be done. 662 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: And he's definitely a maximalist. But watching him is like 663 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: watching I don't know, bascuote or something. It's like it's 664 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: just astonishing. Hell. 665 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: So for him, like more is more, like more is 666 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 3: like just like, let's just in terms of blaring, yes. 667 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, in terms of exploring creative worlds. 668 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, And he wants to be creative with you. 669 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 6: And he's so nice. 670 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 5: He's Canadian and he's like the nicest. 671 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 6: Guy I've ever met. This is so pleasant to be around. 672 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 5: But but yeah, like if you'll let him go, we'll 673 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 5: just like go forever. 674 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 3: So it's so great I recommend. 675 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: And just yeah, it's just the greatest He's just the 676 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: greatest guy. So we've made a few records together and 677 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: we'll probably make more at some point. 678 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 6: Yeah. 679 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 3: So you're on the road right now or you getting 680 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 3: back on the road. 681 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 5: We're getting back on the road at the end of 682 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 5: the month. 683 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 9: Yeah. 684 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: We release a record in May May second by two. 685 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh so you release Sorry, so this is a 686 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 3: new single. 687 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: This is a new single. 688 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 3: Okay, So this isn't attached to the record, it is 689 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 3: it is, Okay. 690 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 8: I reported it at the same at the same time, 691 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 8: and yeah, we had a couple songs that were part 692 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 8: of those sessions and kind of part of the world 693 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 8: of the record, but could live on their own as singles. 694 00:38:49,360 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 2: So, right, how long between records do you guys usually take, 695 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 2: you know, just for a year or two years? Like, 696 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 2: how does that or is it just what you feel? 697 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: It depends, it depends. We've taken five or six years, 698 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: We've taken two years. 699 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one. 700 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,840 Speaker 1: Comes two years after our previous record. 701 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 3: So and this one feels really it's awesome. It's the 702 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 3: one you sent it to me. I got it And 703 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 3: that's what I was wondering because it's a new it's 704 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 3: a single, So I was like, is this like a 705 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 3: new album? But so this is are you going to 706 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 3: put out a deluxe? 707 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: I think? I think so. I think that's what you 708 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: do at some point, right, I think, Yeah. 709 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 3: But I got like coffee, Yeah. 710 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 1: My neighbor bruises own coffee. 711 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 3: I got all the like goods, and I was like, 712 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,760 Speaker 3: this is the best. It was the best. 713 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: My mom made cookies. 714 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 3: The cookies were so yummy. I was like, this is like, 715 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,720 Speaker 3: so Olie, they sent me the vinyl. 716 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: Oliver will send you the vinyl too. 717 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just the cookies or the cookies, and. 718 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, everything about this I 719 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 3: loved and the album is just amazing. You guys, I'm 720 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,719 Speaker 3: such a I mean, you can tell I'm such a 721 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 3: big fan, but I just I love what you do 722 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 3: and you're you. You know, I'm just excited for you that, 723 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 3: like in these last i'd say, what like five years, 724 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 3: that you guys have just become like so much even 725 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 3: more known in the music world, and it's so cool. 726 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 2: Do you like the exposure? I mean, do you like 727 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 2: being known as part of your goal being famous? Or 728 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: was it just the music or. 729 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: I don't think we're famous. 730 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 2: You're not famous, but you kind. 731 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,040 Speaker 1: Of are almost fan. 732 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 3: But you kind of are. 733 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: I mean, like, okay, then let me let me rephrase it. 734 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 2: Do you want to be famous? Do you want to 735 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 2: have people everyone know who you are? 736 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,280 Speaker 5: I think we I mean I can only speak for myself, 737 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 5: but just the ability to continue making music and have 738 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 5: it be sustainable and and you. 739 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: Know, have flexibility in our lives in a way that 740 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: you know. 741 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and then you know, part of making this up, 742 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 5: this most current record was to you know, bring ourselves 743 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 5: into the focus again a little bit because we had 744 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 5: collaborated so much with other people and we wanted to 745 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 5: remind others but also ourselves. You know that we're songwriters 746 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 5: and we're singers and we've got things to say. 747 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: And how much does how much does the business side 748 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 2: of this industry play to what you do? I know 749 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 2: it has to obviously at some point, but you know, 750 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 2: are you business focused or are you just way more 751 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 2: creative focus? 752 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: You have to be It has to go hand in hand. 753 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean, we have a hard time with the tiktoking 754 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 1: and things. Yeah, just does not come. We didn't come 755 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: up with that stuff. So it's just it's so not 756 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: it's so unnatural to us. I think there's a way 757 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: to create a language that feels natural. We just haven't 758 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: figured what that is yet, that in that medium. But 759 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,839 Speaker 1: you know, you have to you have to be focused 760 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 1: in areas outside of You have to be creative in 761 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: business as well as in the actual performance part of things, 762 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: because you know, it's it's part of what makes people 763 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: clever and makes people puts people out there, and you know, 764 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people trying to do what we 765 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: do and who are really talented and some people, you know, 766 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: some of the most talented people. I'm sure we all know. 767 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 1: Don't ever figure it out. It's not for lack of talent. 768 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really it's such a hard business. 769 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,719 Speaker 2: I mean, do you attribute that to luck. 770 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: I think it's it's like the meeting of like luck, talent, 771 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: hard work, and yeah, I mean I guess being in 772 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: the right place at the right. 773 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 3: Time is Yeah. Well you also said community. I think 774 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,520 Speaker 3: that's a big one, you know, because like I know, 775 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 3: you know, as it is a small community, so you 776 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 3: start to like create with different people and meet different 777 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 3: people throughout, like you start to have these connections. It's 778 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 3: like I remember David Foster saying, like TC he always 779 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 3: says to I mean, he's a completely different beast, but 780 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,359 Speaker 3: he's just like network, network, network, Like networking is half 781 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 3: the battle. And for so many musicians it's like that's 782 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 3: like putting them into a position like what what like networking? 783 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,839 Speaker 3: That's not what I do. I want to go into 784 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 3: my hole in my cave and I want to create music. 785 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 3: I don't want to like sell. So it's like it's 786 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 3: it's such a hard business to kind of like get 787 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,280 Speaker 3: out there unless you have some kind of break, unless 788 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 3: the timing, or or you have a friend who is 789 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 3: more like that, who knows what you're what you know, 790 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,360 Speaker 3: what you're capable of, or someone who's played on something 791 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,520 Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my god, he's this guy's so amazing, 792 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 3: like keys, you should meet him and play with him. 793 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,479 Speaker 3: And then it's sort of that's so much a part 794 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,040 Speaker 3: of how people. But like, I think the thing is, 795 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 3: I always say this about any arts really, but like 796 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 3: music in particular, it's so expensive, Oliver, to like tour. 797 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 3: So even if you have even if you have like 798 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 3: people listening and the ability to you know, go out 799 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 3: and you know, maybe play a show and sell out 800 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 3: a club or something, you still have to pay so 801 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 3: many people. And then the second you get a deal, 802 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 3: then you're paying that person and they're paying another and 803 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 3: musicians like come home with Unless you're at a certain level, 804 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 3: if you're not touring all the time, all the time, 805 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 3: all the time, you're not making any money. 806 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,919 Speaker 1: Oh you're lucky if you're breaking even consider to win. Yeah, 807 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 1: which is really sad. I mean it's and it's getting 808 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: harder because it's getting more expensive. 809 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's. 810 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 811 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 3: No, I mean not to bring this down, but it is, 812 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 3: but you know, I always say, like it's like you said, 813 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 3: like to be able to just do it, you know, 814 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 3: to be able to have it be something you can 815 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 3: do and sustain and is so such a blessing. So 816 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,600 Speaker 3: how long is this next leg? 817 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: We have three weeks in October and then two and 818 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,759 Speaker 1: a half weeks in November. Yeah, and then we're done 819 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,440 Speaker 1: for the year. Great, which will be nice. We'll be 820 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: home for the holidays pretty much end in La. 821 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 3: Guys should come, Oh a thousand percent. It's exciting. 822 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 1: An anniversary of your of your debut film. 823 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,400 Speaker 3: Right, almost famous twenty five years. 824 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: Wow, really close with Cameron. 825 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 3: Yes, he's got a book coming out and working on 826 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 3: a movie and working on a really exciting movie. Are 827 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 3: you guys going to help? 828 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,759 Speaker 1: I think maybe? Yeah? 829 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 3: Yes? Where Also, are you guys going to play? Will 830 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,520 Speaker 3: you send it to us so that or like, have 831 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,840 Speaker 3: someone send us your so I can come find We'll. 832 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 1: Always play lay They'll be of the other time. 833 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 3: I loved every second of this. I feel like we 834 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 3: need to end with our normal question. Even though it's 835 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 3: usually for siblings, I feel like you guys are basically siblings. 836 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one for them. 837 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 3: Okay. So the two part question is the first part 838 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 3: is if you could emulate something like more like something 839 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,560 Speaker 3: that you could emulate from the other that you wish 840 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,520 Speaker 3: you had more of, what would that be? And then 841 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 3: the other part of the question is alleviate, Like if 842 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 3: you could take something from the other person and make 843 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:45,560 Speaker 3: their life lighter or easier, what would that be For me? 844 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 5: It would be like the social boldness that she has. 845 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,880 Speaker 5: I just don't have that in me, and I would 846 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 5: I would like some of that. 847 00:47:59,200 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 6: And alleviate. 848 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 5: I mean, the first thing I think of is just 849 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:08,719 Speaker 5: like take your baby for a day, a break, that 850 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 5: kind of thank you. 851 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: You can't. 852 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:15,840 Speaker 2: That can happen? 853 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 5: And then can I give you mine? 854 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:21,920 Speaker 1: Wait? 855 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,840 Speaker 6: That doesn't. 856 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:34,640 Speaker 1: That doesn't help me? We can though mine is okay. 857 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: For Holly, the thing that I wish I had that 858 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 1: she has is just the ability to she's just so thoughtful, 859 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: like just the ability to pause and really like examine 860 00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 1: her words before she spews things out like I do. 861 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:01,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes she just has a way with her words, And 862 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had that that like gentle thoughtfulness that 863 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:16,960 Speaker 1: she has and alleviate. I mean, you know, I wish 864 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 1: that I could just send you on a big ass 865 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:30,359 Speaker 1: free vacation, pay all your bill, maybe win the lottery too, 866 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:36,719 Speaker 1: you know, but you'll share with me, right Yeah, okay. 867 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,799 Speaker 3: I love it you guys. Thank you for coming on. 868 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 3: And we're going to play the single exclusive Thick as Thieves, 869 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,239 Speaker 3: Thick as Thieves and uh and it's going to be 870 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 3: on our you know, in our downloadable on our podcast 871 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 3: for the next two days before it comes out out. 872 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,360 Speaker 3: And I just can't wait to see you in person. 873 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's thank music or cook or something all of it. 874 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 3: I'm down, I'm down. I'm down. Thank you so much. 875 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 3: You Yeah, I'll talk to you soon. 876 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. Bye guys, Bye guys, bye, Thank you so much. 877 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,479 Speaker 3: Aren't they great? 878 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 879 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:22,720 Speaker 2: Cool? 880 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 3: I love I love like the musician brain. I just 881 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 3: like they're so specific and there's such these like if 882 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,359 Speaker 3: you watch them, they're so amazing and they sound like 883 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 3: you should listen to them live. They're just perfection. I 884 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,000 Speaker 3: just anybody listening that loves music, just go deep on 885 00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 3: Lucia's They're just they're just worth it. Yeah, silver Lake man, 886 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 3: silver Lake All right, I love you. 887 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 2: Well, we have the exclusive that's going to be playing 888 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 2: yes right now, right now, ready and push play. 889 00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,360 Speaker 1: Big. 890 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 9: Gone in the Falling lea lost in the marching band, 891 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:22,720 Speaker 9: drunk Gains. 892 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 3: He was a mean old man to the young. The understands. 893 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 10: Were a gaft s. 894 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,359 Speaker 3: Waning away, jos. 895 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:58,319 Speaker 10: Whoo so we'd run under the pleatures. 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