1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Ron An Aian, You've got a right to know what's 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: going on in the bay when somebody's working on your car, 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: and you've got a right to see what it took 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: to make that work and to get that apart. 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: Not yet, the Car Doctor. 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 3: We wanted to find out if we could get some 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 3: kind of a module to eliminate the computer and everything 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: in round the seven pointy three deeple. 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: I know, going back as old as ninety three, there 10 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: were still computer involvement in computer enhancements that on the 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 4: seven to three power stroke to make it work. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, the 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car 14 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: are open. 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 4: But I am here to take your calls at eight 19 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 4: five five five six, ninety nine hundred. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: And now pee's running. 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 4: Hey there, what a crazy week at the shop. You know, 22 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 4: I wasn't going to say that when I opened, because 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 4: I said, you know, I always say it's a crazy 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 4: week when it's a crazy week. But it was a 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: crazy week at the shop, so I guess I have 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 4: to I guess I have to start there. I want 27 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 4: to talk to you about this Infinity and the hello 28 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: and thanks for stopping by it today. I want to 29 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 4: talk to you about this Infinity that we fixed this week. 30 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: It was sort of a glimpse. I think about this 31 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 4: car and I think it's a glimpse into the price 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: of technology. That's all I keep thinking about in my 33 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 4: head that we all love the technical side of the cars, 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: and cars have gotten so much better in the emission 35 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 4: levels and all the great things that cars are capable 36 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 4: of now. But it comes at a price, right, it 37 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 4: comes at There's an expense involved in achieving all of this. 38 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: A twenty ten Infinity Q came into the shop this week, 39 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: Q thirty five with one hundred and seventy one thousand 40 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: miles on it. And yeah, it's not a lot of mileage. 41 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: It's there, you know, can have more mileage in that. 42 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: It'll still got some life lifting and it's it's going 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: to go a good long DISTI and shit, but you 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 4: look at the involvement of what it can take to 45 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 4: fix when things go south this car to check engine 46 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 4: light on. It had a PUB twenty one, which is 47 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: a bank two censor performance fault in the idle and 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 4: the oil and control oil control sonoid for the VVT 49 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 4: variable valve timing. What is VVT, Well, it's like the 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 4: abbreviation stands for variable valve timing. They'll actually move the 51 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 4: camshafts in relation to the piston to the crank shaft 52 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: to achieve ideal power levels, emission levels, fuel economy, and 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 4: so on. So they're tuning it on the fly. They're 54 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: doing what drag racers did back in the fifties and 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 4: the sixties about degreeing a cam. But with them it 56 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 4: was always a mechanical lock. It was two degrees advanced, 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 4: three degrees advanced, and so on. They couldn't adjust it 58 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: in an infinitely number of positions because the technology just 59 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 4: wasn't there at the time. Well, now the car companies 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: are taking one from the hot rodders. Maybe the rodders 61 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 4: took it from the car companies. I guess. I don't 62 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 4: know which which came first, a chicken or the egg, 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 4: but you know, they are electronically advancing and retarding cams 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: at the right moment, trying to tune the engine trying 65 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: to get you know, fuel economy levels, trying to get 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 4: emission levels, and you know horsepower, because that's what it's 67 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: all about, those three things. This particular Infinity had a 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 4: double low twenty one. Now a double oh twenty one 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 4: means that it saw a performance error. It was it 70 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 4: was telling the system to do something and it didn't 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 4: get a response. It also has the ability to set 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: an electrical side, so it knows it'll set a different 73 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: fold code if there is an electrical circuit problem with 74 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: bank two or bank one, whichever one we want to 75 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 4: talk about, but in this case it's bank two. But 76 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 4: it didn't have those So when I looked down a scanner, 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 4: when I finally got down to the point where I 78 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: plugged the scan tool in after about twenty twenty five 79 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: minutes of research and reading and checking for bulletins and 80 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: all the other things that I like to go through 81 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 4: the road test and verify fine, I found that you 82 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 4: can look at bank one, Bank two, Bank ones where 83 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: cylinder one is in the firing order. Bank one is 84 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 4: the passenger side, Bank two is the driver's side. I 85 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 4: can look at bank one command for the oil control 86 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 4: solenoid out of the PCM and bank two oil control 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: solenoid command out of the PCM. In other words, I 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 4: can look at a pit on a scan tool and 89 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: it tells me, hey, the the scan tool or I'm sorry, 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 4: the computer is trying to open up that oil control 91 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 4: solenoid ten percent, twenty percent, thirty percent, fifty percent, and 92 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 4: so on. Think of the front door to your house. 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 4: If you want to get more air into the house, 94 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: you open the front door. Air comes in. You open 95 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 4: a window, air comes in. There's an exchange. Cars do 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 4: the same thing when it comes to VVT. They will 97 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 4: electrically command the oil control solinoid to open up a floodgate, 98 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 4: allow oil to pass through the solenoid, go out through 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 4: a circuit and get to something called a spool valve. 100 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: A spool valve is like that big drum in the 101 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: amusement park that you went on years ago where you 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 4: spun around real fast and the floor dropped away. It's 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: just a big giant drum that stores energy. They will 104 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: flood that drum with more or less oil to pivot 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 4: the drum more advanced or more retarded, in order to 106 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: get CAM tuning which way they wanted to go. That 107 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 4: drum is basically mounted to the end of the camshift 108 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 4: and it's called a phaser. You might have heard of that. 109 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: It's called a phaser. It affects the phase of camshaft relationship. 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 4: As I'm looking at the PIDs on the scan tool, 111 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: I can see Bank ones being commanded at thirty percent. 112 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 4: Bank one camshaft on the intake side. We're looking at 113 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 4: intake cam. Bank one camshaft on the intake side is 114 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 4: actually running eighteen degrees advanced. When this happens, I was 115 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 4: doing this test at twenty five going down the road. 116 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 4: Bank two was being commanded all the way to sixty 117 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 4: two percent, and then sometimes it hit sixty five, sometimes 118 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 4: it hit seventy. It just kept going up further and 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 4: further and further more. Time let more oil in, let's 120 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: see it move. But it never saw the cam move. 121 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: The cam was at its default value. So I looked 122 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 4: at this and I thought about this, and I said, 123 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: this is clearly a bad oil control solenoid. Why I'll 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: prove the theory to you. The reason it's a solenoid 125 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 4: is because I could see the command. I verified. Also 126 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: I looked at power and ground. I could see the 127 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: command on a scope I could see the jagged line 128 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 4: and the change that the computer was trying to do. 129 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 4: It was telling you, hey, open, open, open, we want 130 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 4: to see camshef movement. It never saw camshaft movement. There's 131 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: only one of a few things this can be. This 132 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: can be an internal oil problem with the engine. These 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 4: engines run fifty five to sixty pounds of pressure, and 134 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: it could be that oil wasn't getting to the oil 135 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 4: control sonoid to allow it to flood through or flow 136 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: through and then flood the phaser. So it could be 137 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 4: an oil pressure problem. It could be a bad oil 138 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: control solenoid, or it could be a bad phaser. The 139 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: drum on the end of the camshaft that you know, 140 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 4: stores and maneuvers and adjusts the energy of the cam 141 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 4: as it rotates. For it to be an oil pressure problem, 142 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: the engine would have had to have been making noise. 143 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: I would have had to have a warning weight. I 144 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 4: should still see it because I've seen this where we've 145 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 4: got an internal oil leak, a gas it will fail 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: a blow out gasket. As a matter of fact, on 147 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 4: Nissans they call it the gun gasket. It's in the 148 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: back of the front timing cover. It's a it's a 149 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: gasket that connects the back of the back cover to 150 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: the middle of the time and cover to the to 151 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 4: the front time and cover. But it helps control oil flow. 152 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: It helps control oil pressure. I've seen it where the 153 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: gun gasket blows out. That cam will move a little bit. 154 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 4: It'll move five degrees, ten degrees, it'll move something. This 155 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: moved nothing. It would have to be a heck of 156 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 4: an oil leak. And in my mind, I said, it's 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: going to have to move so bad. I should be 158 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: hearing engine clatter, clunk, and knock, and I did not. 159 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: Let's take that out of the equation. Besides, it's thirteen 160 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: years old to one hundred and seventy thousand miles on it. 161 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 4: I don't know that the customer is willing to even 162 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 4: put four grand or whatever it's going to take pull 163 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: the engine or do it in the car to put 164 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: timing chains and solve all those problems at this point 165 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 4: in the game for the car price of technology, right. 166 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 4: I then said, there's only two other things. Could be 167 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 4: a phaser, which it could be a phaser, But I've 168 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 4: yet to see a Nissan Phavorser go bad. I've heard 169 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: of it I've seen it on rare occasions and other shops, 170 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: but me personally, Nissan makes a decent cam phaser. They 171 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 4: really do. I don't see the failures It left me 172 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: to the oil control solnites. Let's put the oil control 173 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: solenoid and it's a three hundred dollars best educated guests 174 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: in the ninety five percent tile because I had done 175 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 4: my research in due diligence versus let's pull the engine 176 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 4: on a complete guests and spend five grand on it. 177 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 4: Which I couldn't say. This timing cover, well, I should 178 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: say it like this. The oil control sonoid was locked 179 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: and corroded into the timing cover. It just wouldn't budge, 180 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 4: So I had to take the seven bolts holding the 181 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: timing cover on out and tap the cover off. Kind 182 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 4: of neat. They do the intake camshaft by oil control 183 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 4: by an oil control sonoid. They do the exhaust camshaft 184 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 4: by a magnetic coupling. They have a it's like a 185 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: giant electro magnet. They have a magnetic coupling inside the cover. 186 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: When they want to turn it on, it locks the 187 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: exhaust cam and it'll it'll change cam timing in various 188 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: states and phases. Boy, you know, you got to see 189 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 4: the inside of a timing cover all I could think 190 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: about with I mean, it had timing chains and sprockets, 191 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 4: and it reminded me of three ten speeds that had 192 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: crashed together and they were laying there in a pile 193 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: of chains and sprockets. You know, you could see the 194 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 4: importance and the value of doing oil changes on a 195 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 4: regular basis. In the end, it was a bad oil 196 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: control sonoid. Once I got the cover off and I 197 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: could and I was gingerly how I did it because 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 4: I didn't want to. I didn't want to crush it. 199 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: It was soft aluminum. But I had to hold it, 200 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 4: I see, clamped it to the bench top and I 201 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 4: was able to tap the old oil control sonoid out 202 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: of it, which took a little bit, and cars done, 203 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: gone down the road. The price of technology, A lot 204 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 4: of sprockets and chains under that cover, a lot of 205 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 4: moving pieces. And you know what if it wasn't that 206 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: oil control sonoid at one hundred and seventy thousand, at 207 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: thirteen years old, would the average person have the stomach 208 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 4: for it or would they want to to repair that car? 209 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: Are we headed for a bailout of the older cars 210 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 4: because of the price of technology, because of what it 211 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: thinks to keep them running. It's it's interesting. So just 212 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: just something I wanted to pass along. Yeah, it can 213 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: be diagnosed, and obviously it's interesting how the diagnosis. I 214 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 4: did this diagnosis with a scan tool, a little bit 215 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: of help from a scope. Nothing crazy. I just wanted 216 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 4: to check some signals. But you know, the price of 217 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 4: technology marches forward, and so do I. I'm ronnin eighty 218 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 4: in the car doctor. I'll return right after this. 219 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 5: Little G. 220 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: Need advice on how to maintain that classic gto Ron 221 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: is the guy eight five five five six zero nine 222 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: nine zero zero. 223 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 4: Here's Ron. Hey, let's get over to Let's go to 224 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: Jack and see what's going on with his ninety six 225 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 4: f two fifty Jack. Welcome to the car doctor, sir. 226 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: How can I helpful? 227 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: Hello? Run happy Saturday. Thanks taking the call. 228 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: You welcome. 229 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 6: Okay. 230 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 3: I got a nineteen ninety six two fifty the V eight, 231 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: and I went to start the truck and it just clicked. 232 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 3: So I said, okay, maybe my batteries need a jump start. 233 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: So I tried power jump started. That didn't do it. 234 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 3: I said, okay, well, maybe it's a dead spot and 235 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 3: the starter. So I get underneath it and whacked it 236 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: a few times, or someone turned the key and that 237 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 3: didn't do anything. Say said, okay, must your bad start, 238 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: but let me at least try jumping a solenoid with 239 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 3: a screwdriver from one post to the other. That used 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: to work in the old days. So he tried that 241 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 3: and that didn't work. Said okay, well. 242 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: Which which which engine is this? Jack? I'm sorry, which 243 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: engine is this? 244 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: That's the three fifty one? 245 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 4: Okay, five eight eight? 246 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 7: Right? 247 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: So I think I discovered the problem as a bad 248 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 3: power cable from the positive battery posts to the start. 249 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: The reason is when I went to replace the start, 250 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: I inadvertently got a starter for a manual transmission and 251 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: when I turned the key, pars I heard was a 252 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: worrying noise I get start. I was trying to start, 253 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: only to find out that that start was supposed to 254 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: go to a manual transmission automatic, which I have, so 255 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 3: I kind of preloaded it and not finding out that 256 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 3: I didn't really have enough power to work that startup. 257 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: So I did all the trouble light tests and the 258 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 3: media tests, the digital media tests, and seems like after 259 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 3: looking at that positive cable start, I think it's kind 260 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: of uh afraid and going out looking. So I think 261 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: probably I just have to put a new battery on it. 262 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: Okay, your question to me. 263 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 3: Well, it said it's it's it's like that story new 264 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,239 Speaker 3: means never ever worked. So when I bought new sevenoids 265 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 3: and they didn't work, I just said that maybe that's 266 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: the problem. They knew but they never ever worked. But 267 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: I get to solve oout trouble shooting. 268 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: Oh it is. So let me ask you this the 269 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: the vaultage drop test the positive battery cable. 270 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: That's the last test that I never did. I put. 271 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: I put ah, you know, a jumpstart on the on 272 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 3: the start with a screwdriver and that clicked the starter over. 273 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: But I never did, uh that test that you just 274 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: said for the day, I would, I would. 275 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 4: I would vaulted drop test the positive cable and the 276 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: negative cable for that matter. All right, Uh you know 277 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 4: right now, what I don't understand is you said you 278 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: put in what you thought was the wrong starter for 279 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 4: a manual trans mission, and you heard the starter engage 280 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 4: when you hit the key when you turn the key. 281 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: Exactly, Well, if because it kind of didn't have a 282 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: lot kind of you know, the right start of manuals 283 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 3: automatically remission stata. If I turned the key, that would 284 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: have put a vote on it, and it wouldn't have 285 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 3: enough power to turn that whole statu system over, is 286 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: my guess. Because it was it was or the automatic 287 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 3: would try to turn the flywheel because of the manual stata. 288 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 3: It wasn't even touched on the flywheel. It had enough 289 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: choice to make it work. 290 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 4: You know, we used to do a test way back 291 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 4: when where we would put the positive leads of the 292 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 4: vault meter right at the starter stud for the battery 293 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: cable for the positive cable, and then put the put 294 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: the negative side of the meter on the engine block somewhere. 295 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 4: It's cranking. It's a cranking vault test. Why don't you 296 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 4: try that? 297 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do that. Like I said, I'm just getting 298 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: some more of you know, quarterback and from you. 299 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: You know this this is also this is also this 300 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 4: is also an old enough vehicle, not a lot of 301 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 4: technology here that you know, just either either a voltage 302 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: drop test or just simply owning the cable. What I'd 303 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,359 Speaker 4: be curious is is the positive cable was it corroded? 304 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 4: Was was this battery? I guess at some point in 305 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 4: it's life, sure, thirty years almost thirty years. There's probably 306 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: an asset issue. If you peel away the insulation of 307 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: the cable, does it have white battery as its stuck 308 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: between the copper strands? 309 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, the the end of the battery cab, which at 310 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 3: the start was all coroded. 311 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 4: Looking right, Well, if it's corroded there, then it's not. 312 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: It's clearly got high resistance and it's not going to 313 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 4: flow current and it's it's going to be a problem. 314 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 4: So you know, cables can I was thinking, count have 315 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 4: you owned this truck? You're very welcome, sir. You have 316 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: a good rest of the afternoon. 317 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: All right, happy shadowy there you too. 318 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 4: Bye bye. Not a lot of diagnosis there, well enough, 319 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: but you know it's I always think, can I take 320 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 4: the component out and make it work by itself? 321 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 8: You know. 322 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 4: One of the other things he could have done was 323 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: with the well with the wrong starter. It kind of 324 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: skews a lot of what's going to happen there. But 325 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: can we measure current? Can we can we do an 326 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 4: amp clan you know, can we do an am clamp on? 327 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: Do an am draw test and just measure and see. 328 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 4: You know what sort of current flow do we have? 329 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 4: Anytime I'm working on an older vehicle, I always think, yeah, 330 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: I got to look at everything a lot. It's transpired. 331 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 4: It's it's thirty years, right or almost thirty years? You 332 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 4: know who disconnected a cable? Did a truck ever get 333 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: another engine? How original is the truck? Anytime I see 334 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: another engine replaced in a vehicle, I always think, and 335 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 4: I usually find somebody painted the engine block and didn't 336 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 4: clean the spot where the negative cable goes. I mean, 337 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 4: there's a there's one hundred things to look at. There's 338 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 4: one hundred things to look at. 339 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 8: You know. 340 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 4: I appreciate his trying to diagnose it. I just I 341 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 4: would have fine tuned it a little bit. But listen, 342 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: I should give I should give kudos for the effort. 343 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 4: So I'm running any and the car Doctor. We're back 344 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 4: right after this. 345 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 5: Don't go away, Welcome. 346 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: Back, run any of the car Doctor. Let's go over 347 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: to Marco in Florida and see what's going on here 348 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: in ninety seven BMW Marco. Welcome to the car Doctor, sir, 349 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 4: How can I help? Yes, sir, I'm good thank you 350 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: very much. How can I help? 351 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 6: All right? So I have a P zero one five 352 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 6: six that I popped up about a couple of weeks 353 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 6: ago and starting trying to do something I noticed, so 354 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 6: I switched the the O two sensor from Bank one 355 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 6: to Bank two and same thing, you know, because he 356 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 6: told us right, non good, right, so stinking after that, 357 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 6: I went ahead and actually switched the connectors and they 358 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 6: I guess the default move, I mean, or that Bank 359 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 6: one sensor started showing that, you know, being low voltage. 360 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 8: And so I'm Marco. 361 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 4: You there, Marco? Hello? Uhuh we lost Marco. Marco, if 362 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 4: you get a chance, give us a call back and 363 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 4: we'll get you back on air. Because I did have 364 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 4: a comment. I was about to ask, are we sure 365 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 4: we're on the right oh too, because this is this 366 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: is a re row two, not a front H two 367 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: P zero one fifty six. It's a heater circuit continuity 368 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: fault problem. So uh, you know, I just anyway, give 369 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: us a shot back. Let's do a quick piece of 370 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 4: email while are waiting for the phones to stabilize. Hey, Ron, 371 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on impacts to vehicles as a 372 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 4: result of driving with the smoke conditions. I think we 373 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: talked about this the week before last. Also, would like 374 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 4: your thoughts on changing the filters and cars after the 375 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 4: smoke clears. Do you think it's worthwhile? Phil? Listen, Phil, 376 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 4: I got to tell you the air quality over much 377 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 4: of the US, especially the Northeast this summer has been trocious. 378 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: It really has. I think that, you know, we should 379 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 4: be more diligent in our filter replacement. You know, if 380 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 4: we're looking to do we typically start to do cabin 381 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 4: and air filters every fifteen to twenty thousand miles. I 382 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 4: think we should cut that down to ten to fifteen 383 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: thousand miles. And you know, you'll be the judge if 384 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: you're doing this yourself. Which filter service yourself is something 385 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 4: you can do on the majority vehicles today, It's not 386 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 4: terribly difficult. If you're mechanically inclined at all, you'll be 387 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: the judge. You know, the old flashlight behind the filter 388 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: and look at it and to see how dirty or 389 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,479 Speaker 4: clean or you know, restricted does it appear. But I 390 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 4: think upping our filter replacement as far as aaron cabin 391 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 4: this time of year. And I will say this in 392 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 4: a in a separate note. I think replacing cabin filters. 393 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: I'm sorry, cabin filters, but the filters for the home 394 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 4: heating and air conditioning system. Maybe not heat right now, 395 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 4: but definitely air conditioning. I think air conditioning systems are 396 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: going to get overworked, especially on commercial applications where the 397 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: filter is outside. You know, all those buildings with air 398 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 4: conditioning units that are on rooftops, all those cabin filters 399 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 4: are outside, So intake era is going right through. We've noticed, 400 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: we've we've increased the service interval on the AC units 401 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: at the shop, and the filters are coming out terrible, 402 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: you know, And you've got to realize that when that 403 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: filter gets overloaded, it's making the unit work harder. Whether 404 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 4: it's a rooftop based c or the one in your car, 405 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 4: it's making that unit work harder, and it's not as efficient, 406 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: and in the long run, it's it's going to cost 407 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: you dollars because the unit's going to overwork itself and 408 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 4: it could possibly fail. So I think by all means 409 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 4: you need to you need to be more due diligent 410 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: with your filters. I should also point out too, and 411 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 4: sort of related to this question, but you'll probably notice 412 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: the price of filters oil, air cabin have all gone up, 413 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 4: and I've got to say there's probably a thirty to 414 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 4: thirty five percent easy increase in filters in the last 415 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 4: fourteen months. It's to the point that I'll order a 416 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: filter for something on Monday to replace something we pulled 417 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: out of stock, and if it was if it was 418 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 4: a twenty dollars filter, by the time it comes back 419 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 4: in the door on Wednesday, it'll now be a twenty 420 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 4: one dollar filter. It's just atrocious. And when I did 421 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: a little research just for own point of reckoning, a 422 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 4: couple of the major filter companies have been purchased and combined, 423 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: and some of the major filter companies just they haven't 424 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 4: recovered believe it or not, in three years. They tell 425 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: me from the pandemic. They haven't had the man power 426 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 4: or the people power. I guess that would be the 427 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 4: correct way to say it. They haven't had the people 428 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 4: power and they're running into issues with raw materials yet. 429 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 4: So you know, yes, we need to change filters. Yes 430 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: it's important, and yes it's it's not as easy as 431 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 4: it seems because it's costing more, and uh, you know 432 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 4: it's it's you may not be able to get the 433 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: filter you want, you know, It's just it's just as 434 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 4: simple as that. So let's oh, I see Marco's back. Marco, 435 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: you're back there, You're back there, kiddo. Yeah, So let 436 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 4: me ask you a question. We're talking about downstream oh 437 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 4: two sensors right past postcat. So let's let's talk about 438 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 4: this a minute. A P zero one fifty six is 439 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 4: a heater circuit continuity fault. If you were to if 440 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: you had a perfectly good running car, all right, and 441 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: you unplug the sensor, you would get the same fault code. 442 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: It's it's got to do with continuity there. They want 443 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 4: to make sure that the heater is being applied. They 444 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 4: want to get the O two sensor up to speed 445 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 4: as fast as they possibly can. All right, So go 446 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 4: to go to the O two sensor connector when you 447 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 4: when you measure voltage, can you measure voltage on the 448 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 4: green wire and the brown wire for ground? Do you 449 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: have do you have twelve vaults across that with a meter? 450 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 8: I do? 451 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 4: Okay, So if you've got you you've you've you've So 452 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 4: what if you took a small sidemarker bulb, all right, 453 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 4: a small bulb something that has the internal resistance to 454 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 4: match that of the O two with the bull light up. 455 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: Good question, right, I'd like to see it right, Okay. 456 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: I wonder. 457 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 8: You're right about getting enough you light. 458 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 4: It up right, because it yeah, because you could have voltage. 459 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: Let's say it's a sixteen strand wire. You ever see 460 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 4: a sixteen strand wire that's got corrosion or it's broken 461 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 4: somewhere and you're down to two strands, You'll you'll flow voltage, 462 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: you won't flow current. You know, just like a garden 463 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 4: hose that gets restricted, you'll you'll have you know, city 464 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 4: water pressure of one hundred p s I. But instead 465 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 4: of you know, a gallon per hour, you might get 466 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 4: a quarter gallon per hour because the hose is crimped. 467 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 4: Same thing, all right, So that would be having. 468 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 8: A little hard time finding a wiring diagram for this. 469 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 8: So I was trying to best continuity from you know, 470 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 8: from the connector to the I guess the computer of 471 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 8: the etm uh but uh, but I just couldn't really 472 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 8: find one. And that was another, uh source of the 473 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 8: reason for my call to see if h I could 474 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 8: thank you my ven number or something. 475 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, send me, send me your Vinty'll be glad to 476 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: send you a wiring diagram. Let me see what I 477 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: can find, all right, send me an email to Ron 478 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: at cardoctorshow dot com and I'll shoot it to you 479 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 4: during the course of the week. Again, I guess the 480 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 4: ones aren't working great in Florida today, Marco. I hope 481 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 4: you got that, kiddo. I'm going to go to a 482 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 4: break and uh, if you need more, call me back. 483 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 4: If not, shoot me an email. I'm Ronning ending in 484 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 4: the car doctor. We'll be back right after this. Welcome back, 485 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 4: wanted in the car doctor. Let's go to Jeremy and Marilyn. Jeremy, 486 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: Welcome to the car doctor, Sir. How can I help Jeremy? 487 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 4: The I honest fear is getting in the way of 488 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 4: the phones today, folks, because the numbers are there, the 489 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 4: calls are there, and uh, we't have to see what's 490 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 4: going on. So let's talk about this. I want to 491 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 4: talk about this. Hey, Ron, I've got an intermittent starter problem. 492 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 4: This seems to be a very common denominator or a 493 00:27:55,280 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 4: very common thing. Right, the truck doesn't start, he writes 494 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 4: in Let's see this is from Richard and Maine with 495 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 4: about seventy seven thousand miles on it. My fit is developed. 496 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: Excuse me is developing a starter problem? His fits giving 497 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 4: him fits. Pushing the start button will sometimes do nothing 498 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: but light up the yellow warning lights, saying there's a 499 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 4: starter system problem. Press number two puts the system into 500 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 4: power on status. Press number three either shuts the whole 501 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 4: system down or returns to start a system problem. Status 502 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 4: number four sometimes starts the car, sometimes does not. My 503 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: dealer wants one hundred and forty dollars to diagnose the problem, 504 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 4: which I bet they already know about. Do you have 505 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: any thoughts on this? I enjoy listening to you Sunday's 506 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 4: here in Maine on WVOM Richard Richard. One hundred and 507 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 4: forty bucks isn't a lot of money to diagnose anything today, 508 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 4: And you know, frankly, there's a lot. This could be. 509 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: It's going to take a scan tool. It's going to 510 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 4: take looking to see, you know, where's the fault. This 511 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: could be a problem with the key. The key itself 512 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 4: could not be transmitting proper signal, causing it to go 513 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,719 Speaker 4: into a theft event or an intermittent event. The problem 514 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 4: could be elsewhere in the vehicle with a mon oddile 515 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 4: not communicating. I would also want to know are there 516 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 4: any add on features to this vehicle? Did anybody put 517 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 4: any aftermark a componentry in? You know, I've seen something 518 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 4: as simple as a radio install affective vehicle to the 519 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: point where it won't start and it will go into shutdown, 520 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: just like you're describing. So you know, if this is 521 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: one hundred and forty bucks that diagnose the problem, you 522 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 4: bet they already know about it. I bet they don't 523 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 4: because there's just too many possibilities of what it could be. 524 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 4: Your question is going to be. And this is my concern, 525 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 4: you know, because to me, that's a very reasonable diagnosis 526 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 4: for anything. Can they diagnose it for that one hundred 527 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 4: and forty bucks? And when they come back to you 528 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 4: with an end result and they say, hey, Richard, your 529 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: problem is x y Z, your question is going to 530 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: be is that going to fix your problem? And that's 531 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 4: that's the issue. So let's try and go back to 532 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 4: the phones again. Let's go to Jeremy and the twenty 533 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 4: two Silverado. Jeremy, welcome back, sir, how are you hey? 534 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 7: Not bad man? I'm calling actually from beautiful Poconos Braceway 535 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 7: watching practice had to step out. 536 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 4: Oh, okay, go ahead, by goyah. 537 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 7: It's beautiful today. So I got this twenty two Silverado, 538 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 7: and it's like from the factory, it seems like the 539 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 7: leaf spring is in the back or weak, and I 540 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 7: pull a trailer and I was getting sag and you know, 541 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 7: I have weight distributing hitches and all that, but what 542 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 7: I uh I put in. They're called sumo springs, so 543 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 7: like you replace the bump stops with they're like just 544 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 7: larger rubber and they're supposed to be like variable rate 545 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,719 Speaker 7: like helper spring sort of thing. And I'm wondering if 546 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 7: there's any downside to it that you would be aware of. 547 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 4: Not a downside, but I will you know, just does 548 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: it affect the ride quality of the vehicle. This is 549 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 4: not an air suspension vehicle. This is a regular shock 550 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 4: over coil spring over coil over spring set up. 551 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 7: It's a leaf spring in the rear. 552 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: Then, no, I don't think so. I mean, I've also 553 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 4: seen you know, when we talk about helper springs, you're 554 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 4: not talking about where they bolt that spring between the 555 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: bottom of the shackle plate and the leaf spring itself. 556 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 7: No, it's like you just take the bump stops that 557 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 7: would come down and touch the axle if you know, 558 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 7: say you hadn't overloaded, you just replaced those was essentially 559 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 7: they're like larger, a little bit softer bump stops. It 560 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 7: just helped kind of keep the back of the truck up. 561 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 4: Jeez, I would think, I mean just I'd have to 562 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 4: I'd have to see it and study it to figure 563 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: out how does it really work. But I kind of 564 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 4: like the idea of having a stronger spring to hold 565 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 4: the truck up level to begin with, rather than making 566 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 4: it sag. 567 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 7: I kind of do too myself. I was just problem is, man, 568 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 7: you know, I was thinking, you get a stronger spring 569 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 7: on there, you got to ride with that thing all 570 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 7: the time. 571 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's you know what. Well, and then 572 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,479 Speaker 4: there's there's the issue where guys will put you know, 573 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 4: air suspension in or an airshock in there, because at 574 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 4: least then you can modify it it will you know. 575 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 4: The one question I would have is if we're going 576 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 4: to start playing with ride height or are we playing 577 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: with ride height? You know what else are we going 578 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 4: to effect not just so much alignment wise, but as 579 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 4: far as any other safety features on the vehicle. Does 580 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 4: this have a dos does this have you know, does 581 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 4: this have a camera in the rearview mirror? 582 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 7: Right? No, it doesn't luckily, so this doesn't have that 583 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 7: kind of what I was wondering about too. 584 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, does this have So this does not have blind 585 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: spot mirrors or any safety features or attraction control devices. Like. 586 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 7: All it has is All it has is the forward 587 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 7: you know, the forward automatic you know, auto breaking if 588 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 7: you get too close and. 589 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 4: Well, you know, if it's got so, it's got a 590 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 4: it's got a camera facing the front of the vehicle 591 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 4: behind the rearview mirror, that's correct. Okay, Well, if it's 592 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 4: got that, then that's aidos. And if you play with 593 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 4: the rear ride height and change that, then number one 594 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 4: you should get the ads recalibrated. At number two, you 595 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 4: could be affecting safety features on the vehicle that aren't correct. 596 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 4: You know, this is a gray area, Jeremy. I know 597 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 4: guys out there that have modified things. I don't know 598 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 4: how successful they are at it, but nobody is doing 599 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 4: this with the blessing of the manufacturers, and the manufacturers 600 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 4: have spent an awful lot of money to properly tune 601 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 4: and modify these suspensions to meet safety calibration and you 602 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 4: start playing with springs, it becomes a can of worm. 603 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 4: So tread lightly eight five five five six zero nine 604 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 4: nine zero zero. The car Doctor's coming back right after this. 605 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 4: Welcome back, my name the car Doctor. Crazy Hour. I 606 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 4: guess it kind of started that way. Ron, My two 607 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 4: thousand and seven Taurus has one hundred and thirty two 608 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: thousand miles on it, So let's let's preface this. Bruce, 609 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 4: your fifteen year old car has one hundred and thirty 610 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 4: two thousand miles on it. Lately, I get stuck in 611 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,919 Speaker 4: traffic on the highway. When I get off the training 612 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 4: jerk so bad I get whipplesh The problem only occurs 613 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 4: when it's hot, and after I get stuck in traffic, 614 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: when there's no traffic on the highway, it shifts normally. 615 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 4: Any thoughts on what's going on here? My guess is 616 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 4: the trans is nearing a failure. I've been religious about 617 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 4: changing the fluid every twenty five thousand miles, and so 618 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 4: even so it's become problematic. First thing I would do 619 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 4: is obviously inspect. I would be concerned about mounts, engine 620 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 4: and transmission. Take a look at axles, take a look 621 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 4: at suspension cradle. It's an older car, fifteen year old car, 622 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 4: you know, has anything rusted rotted? Has anything started to shift? 623 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: If this is really in the trans all right, you know, yeah, 624 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,240 Speaker 4: it's probably approaching that point. They did have a nasty 625 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 4: problem on the older ones of cracking the drum for 626 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 4: third year and overdrive. You know, perhaps that's about to happen. 627 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 4: But I would encourage you not to drive it until 628 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 4: you get it to a trans shop and get it 629 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 4: die diagnosed. You know, the question would become at this 630 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 4: agent mileage, the costs for a trans replacement. It's probably 631 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 4: worth it, but just be aware you're headed for a 632 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 4: major repair, and the longer you let it go, it 633 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 4: might get to be more costly in time. Good luck, Bruce, 634 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 4: let me know what happens. I'm running aiding in the car. Doctor. 635 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 4: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 636 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 5: See you