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Speaker 1: Raw was last night, and we got more for Wressell Palooza,
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike SIMPERVVI on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: The show bright Over is here. Wrestling Observer Live. A
Speaker 1: Lance Storm is kind of joining us here today.
Speaker 6: I'm here in mind and body, but not video.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's going on? What's with this computer?
Speaker 6: I do not know. For some reason, it decided it
Speaker 6: would not recognize my camera today, and I've restarted it
Speaker 6: and just waiting for the email to load. I should
Speaker 6: be back in here very quickly.
Speaker 4: You rebooted the camera works?
Speaker 6: No, I've rebooted it and got everything open. So now
Speaker 6: I'm going to try to connect and see if it
Speaker 6: recognizes my camera or not.
Speaker 4: Well, let's see what's going on here. See, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna wait.
Speaker 6: Perfect. It does seem to have acknowledged me.
Speaker 4: Oh, look at that.
Speaker 1: See that's the answer the wins. There's always lance reboot
Speaker 1: the computer. That seems to be the magic perfect. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with everyone's favorite topic here briefly, and
Speaker 1: that is ratings. No, this irritates people, but this is
Speaker 1: notable this week. I'm gonna tell you why. So this
Speaker 1: past Saturday is Collision. This past Saturday's Collision did three
Speaker 1: hundred thousand viewers. Are you ready for this? Up ninety
Speaker 1: one point one percent from the week prior eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine to eight point zero seven, which is up
Speaker 1: seventy five percent from last week. This is the best
Speaker 1: audience since July twenty sixth and the best eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine since August ninth, And there was competition from
Speaker 1: college football on several cable in Networ stations airing head
Speaker 1: to head. And you know, I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: because listen, I could sit here and just try and
Speaker 1: say I was right and everything like that. But the
Speaker 1: fact is, listen, we don't really know. Okay, we don't
Speaker 1: really know. But they advertised a full collision card. We
Speaker 1: had four or five matches prior to collision, and the
Speaker 1: show did significantly better the week prior when it did
Speaker 1: a record low. We did fun Friday and we had
Speaker 1: zero Goose Egg, no matches whatsoever for Collision.
Speaker 4: Nothing.
Speaker 1: We had nothing announced for Collision. And you can go
Speaker 1: back and track if you want, but there was a
Speaker 1: period where they started advertising matches. It was like a
Speaker 1: two week period they started advertising matches for Dynamite. This
Speaker 1: was I think at the end, I think this might
Speaker 1: have been going into the ECW arena. But the point
Speaker 1: is they had like two weeks and the show did fine,
Speaker 1: and then for whatever reason, after two good weeks of
Speaker 1: advertising matches, they like stopped again. And in both cases
Speaker 1: Dynamite and Collision. The show died with nothing announced. Well,
Speaker 1: now they've announced a bunch of stuff for Collision, and
Speaker 1: Collision did better. And obviously, you know some of the
Speaker 1: stuff they advertised, you could say, well, John Moxley, he
Speaker 1: was on the show the week prior when they did
Speaker 1: the record low. They did John Moxley and Daniel Garcia
Speaker 1: two weeks in a row. One week they did a
Speaker 1: big advertising push for it, the other week they didn't.
Speaker 1: And the reason they did. The show did significantly better.
Speaker 1: So this coming Wednesday, we already have four segments announced,
Speaker 1: four matches actually, and so we'll find out Wednesday. You know,
Speaker 1: if Dynamite does much better on Wednesday, I think we
Speaker 1: really need to think about the value of advertising matches
Speaker 1: in advance now, so you.
Speaker 6: Should take into consideration promotion when promoting your promotion.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've said this a thousand times. Tony Kahan is
Speaker 1: supposed to be the booker and the promoter, but he's
Speaker 1: only the booker. He doesn't promote, and you need to
Speaker 1: promote as a promoter. And they promoted Collision and the
Speaker 1: show did better. Now you know what's ironic. The SmackDown
Speaker 1: Show also did very well up thirty eight percent the
Speaker 1: eighteen to forty ninety zo point five to one, which
Speaker 1: is up eighty two percent. The best of the show
Speaker 1: has done since April eighteenth. And this is kind of
Speaker 1: an irony, but it's not. It's all because of AJ,
Speaker 1: who they didn't advertise, all right.
Speaker 6: But they let you know.
Speaker 4: That's the point.
Speaker 1: Nobody going as SmackDown was unaware that there was a
Speaker 1: very good chance that we talked about it on Friday.
Speaker 1: AJ is going to be on the show. Brock Lezer
Speaker 1: is going to be on the show. It's exactly like
Speaker 1: Siampunk's Day in aw Like. They didn't say this person's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the show, but they pretty much told
Speaker 1: you that these things were gonna happen.
Speaker 6: Purpose leaked her merch. I guarantee you that was not
Speaker 6: a mistake.
Speaker 1: Well, the point is, hey, you know what, Then they
Speaker 1: advertised AJ, and they did a great number. She is
Speaker 1: the reason for that number. The show did very, very well.
Speaker 1: So after a week of every show except NXT dying,
Speaker 1: well we're back to we're back to shows doing well again.
Speaker 1: So I would mention one other thing as well, which is,
Speaker 1: you guys, remember the one show that didn't die last
Speaker 1: week anybody remember XT, And you know what NXT has
Speaker 1: that none of these other shows have.
Speaker 4: They always have.
Speaker 1: A ton of matches announced by the time NXT goes
Speaker 1: off the air. I'm just saying they had a full card.
Speaker 1: They had like six seven things announced going into last
Speaker 1: week's show, and they were the one show that survived
Speaker 1: the violent skewering of all professional wrestling. I should also
Speaker 1: mention that one quick thing here. Every week, Brandon Thurston
Speaker 1: has a raw data report, and you know, of course,
Speaker 1: Dave's got his formula, which I'll say, I'll say this
Speaker 1: thing about Dave's formula is he is just doing division
Speaker 1: based on.
Speaker 4: What Netflix posts.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what Netflix is doing, but like
Speaker 1: the math, it does actually not work. But the point
Speaker 1: of this is Brandon Thurston has a raw viewership report
Speaker 1: that he does every week, and he's actually got an explanation.
Speaker 1: And he even adds here ours view divided by runtime
Speaker 1: does not consistently reconciled Netflix's report of global views.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he's got a he's got a formula of
Speaker 1: his own, and if you look at it raw, last
Speaker 1: week September one did one point four million viewers, which
Speaker 1: actually sounds like what you would think Raw does. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's been somewhat consistent dating back to May,
Speaker 1: so he's got the show averaging about, you know, one
Speaker 1: point five one point six million every week. The September
Speaker 1: first show did poorly, but you know, it's going up
Speaker 1: against football now, so that would explain that. But I
Speaker 1: think this is a much better you know, this is
Speaker 1: much closer to what I think Raw is doing than
Speaker 1: I think. You know, Dave's formula came up to like
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty thousand viewers in the US, which
Speaker 1: is like, it's impossible, It's absolutely impossible. So one point
Speaker 1: four million sounds about right, because it's not like they
Speaker 1: aren't drawing people to the buildings. It's not like people
Speaker 1: aren't into the stars or the show or whatever. So
Speaker 1: it seems that is doing prior to football season right
Speaker 1: around one point six million viewers every week, and now
Speaker 1: that football has started, they're going to struggle. It'll probably
Speaker 1: be about one point four million. And those are your numbers,
Speaker 1: So there you go. By the way, I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: bring this up because we talked about on The Dave Show,
Speaker 1: But did you.
Speaker 4: Ever meet Chuck Coates.
Speaker 6: No, I did not.
Speaker 1: Mad Max Russian Assassin stormtrooper Hans Hessler Agent Max.
Speaker 4: It also believe.
Speaker 6: So anyway, it's possible one of the post retirement matches
Speaker 6: he could have been on the undercard, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Recall, or he could have been on one of those
Speaker 1: WCW shows just backstage as enhancement, because he did WWF
Speaker 1: and WCW enhancement matches for a long time. And another
Speaker 1: person this week that passed away due to heart problems,
Speaker 1: So all the best to his friends and family. Sixty
Speaker 1: three three years old, kind of worked all over the
Speaker 1: place for a long time. But uh, that was Chuck
Speaker 1: Coates passed away yesterday morning. All right, when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do some news. We'll do the Raw Report,
Speaker 1: We'll talk about some upcoming lineups including Impact. Hey, they
Speaker 1: got some matches announced in advance. That's always good. Joe
Speaker 1: Hendry versus Eric Young and Moose and AJ Francis Moose
Speaker 1: and AJ Francis.
Speaker 4: Vinnie's gonna be so excited back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1: Back in the show, Brian Elverz here Wrestling Observer Live
Speaker 1: Lance is joining us. We got NXT Tonight flag match,
Speaker 1: Sean's going right that old basket of tricks, the old
Speaker 1: flag match, Ethan Page and Tavian Heights, which it's a
Speaker 1: flag match. I don't think the titles on the line,
Speaker 1: so I think Tavian's got to win, and then that
Speaker 1: sets up the title match. We got Fatal Influence versus Tizzy,
Speaker 1: Tatum and Izzy.
Speaker 4: And Zauka.
Speaker 1: Did this start with like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie?
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 1: What is this where we get all these stupid names
Speaker 1: where it's like we just got to merge everyone's name together.
Speaker 1: I could be okay, like one team did it, but
Speaker 1: now all of them have to do it.
Speaker 6: I think it started like back when Vince basically killed
Speaker 6: tag team wrestling and there weren't any actual you know,
Speaker 6: Road Warriors, Midnight Express teams, and it was just the
Speaker 6: two single guys mashed together for four months. So that's
Speaker 6: when you got the Jerry Show and Tizzy and just
Speaker 6: because no one's actually a full blown team or at
Speaker 6: least like the Street Profits, they debuted as a team,
Speaker 6: so they have a team name. But when you're just
Speaker 6: single stars mushed together, they mushed together names like Tizzy,
Speaker 6: lame Yes, Suck Glad. I was an impact player, not
Speaker 6: whatever name you'd come up with, Chancy, it was.
Speaker 4: It was you and uh just incredible.
Speaker 1: Let's see that'd be uh incredible, storm storm Edible.
Speaker 6: There you go. I might get over today storm Edible.
Speaker 6: Actually that might people like their edibles.
Speaker 1: Javon versus Josh Briggs, Faby Apache and Laney Reid and
Speaker 1: his speed tournament match. I can't even make some of
Speaker 1: these up. Trick Williams and a mystery partner confront Di
Speaker 1: I Y in a bizarre set up for that, as
Speaker 1: the Babyfaces were total heels to poor Trick, and then
Speaker 1: Dark State versus Hank and Tank for the tag team titles.
Speaker 1: So that's tonight. Wednesday Dynamite, Hangman and Josh Alexander, non
Speaker 1: title Tony Storm and sky Blue in a Philly street
Speaker 1: fight which I presume is non title Shelton, Benjamin, Ricochet
Speaker 1: and Mercedes and Emmy Soccer versus Rijo and Alex Windsor.
Speaker 1: So that's Wednesday, And then, like I said, Thursday, Joe Hendry,
Speaker 1: Eric Young and Moose and A. J.
Speaker 4: Francis, Ga Lee Big Hoss fight there.
Speaker 1: That's a mean guy match if I ever saw one.
Speaker 1: Then World's Collide Friday. I can't wait for this show.
Speaker 1: It's too late to drive down The Kingo versus Dominic
Speaker 1: for the Mega Title, Psycho Clown and Pugano against Kofi
Speaker 1: and Xavier, The New Day, The Rain of darrainus number
Speaker 1: one contenders Mancinatti and by Apache Mixed Tag Finn and
Speaker 1: Rock Sand versus Mister Iguana and Lola ice Ejode Doctor
Speaker 1: Wagner Junior defends the Latin American title against Dragon Lee,
Speaker 1: J D. McDonough and Ethan Page in a four way.
Speaker 1: And then at Luca's Showcase with Laparca, Mosquerito, Sagrada, Nino Ambergesa,
Speaker 1: Cruz del Toro, Joaquin Wilde in Dorado Mini Abaizmo Negro
Speaker 1: and not Octagon Junior as he almost got killed by Pegano,
Speaker 1: so it looks like he's gonna be out of action
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 4: Like sat on his face.
Speaker 1: Mmm, Pogano's uh forte is not moves.
Speaker 4: It's kind of.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out someone had an idea for
Speaker 1: you and Valvenus.
Speaker 6: We were a tag team at one point in time,
Speaker 6: although technical actually I was. I was a tag team
Speaker 6: partner of Chief Morlees as well as Valvenus's Stinus.
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Yeah, there's gotta be something with that one,
Speaker 1: all right. Got a couple of news notes here. Uh,
Speaker 1: Triple H was on Pad McAfee show and he said,
Speaker 1: I'll give you a spoiler right now. Cody will be
Speaker 1: back in Indianapolis, and so obviously Brandy just recently gave
Speaker 1: birth and so he's been off the road for.
Speaker 4: A little while.
Speaker 1: But it is believed that that's going to be the
Speaker 1: Cody Drew McIntyre match. That'll be at Russell Palooza. They
Speaker 1: are doing the Drew McIntire Randy Orton match on SmackDown Friday,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty big match for SmackDown to do that.
Speaker 6: Match, smart that they advertise it ahead of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Randy Orton Drew McIntyre. Also, there's a title match
Speaker 1: with Tiffany and Jade and Brock Lesner appears, which is
Speaker 1: interesting because Brock will there, but Sina will not, So
Speaker 1: I guess he's just gonna do a promo or something
Speaker 1: like that. We also have the Triple A I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the AEW tag team titles on the line. They're doing
Speaker 1: a show in Mexico City and Bandido and Brody King
Speaker 1: will be facing Zondacon Junior and Defunto. That's the main
Speaker 1: event of the show, an AW tag title match. A
Speaker 1: bunch of other matches on the show as well, but
Speaker 1: that's coming up on Friday.
Speaker 6: Come on, we were making fun of amalgamated names. At
Speaker 6: least push Brodido.
Speaker 1: There's another one that's at least that one. I'm alright
Speaker 1: with bro Dido, but I'm not sure about the rest
Speaker 1: of all of these. All right, if you have questions
Speaker 1: for the show, everybody, we got a few minutes for
Speaker 1: the raw report.
Speaker 4: We like to save that for the last segment. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, so, apparently Octagon Junior's doctor cleared him, so he
Speaker 1: may be on the show. All right, Listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: a doctor. Whatever's doctor says, but uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: man four seven eight zero seven five sixty six. Is
Speaker 1: he text message line that is four two five seven
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Speaker 1: dot com. Whatever's on your mind? We can uh talk
Speaker 1: about it here today lal Stinas is this guy's name
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 4: And Val? That sounds terrible.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's bad enough that a guy with a first
Speaker 6: name Lance is doing a gimmick with a porn star.
Speaker 1: Sportsan here says, didn't Danielson retire to be with his daughter.
Speaker 1: Commentary every week still takes just as much time away
Speaker 1: from home. I'm not saying he needs to wrestle or
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 4: Well, I think.
Speaker 1: Also, I can tell you this about daughters. They do
Speaker 1: start to get older and next thing you know, they're
Speaker 1: in school all the time, and then some after school. Actually,
Speaker 1: and I think one day a week on the road
Speaker 1: doing commentary. I mean, clearly he's willing to do.
Speaker 6: It, especially if it's a Wednesday and she's in school. Yeah,
Speaker 6: like weekends are when you get you're gonna want to
Speaker 6: be home to spend time with your kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, here's the other thing too. Okay, the
Speaker 1: guy's doing commentary all right, So what that means is
Speaker 1: he can fly in and out the same day. Now,
Speaker 1: if he were a wrestler and he was in a
Speaker 1: main events segment, I mean, maybe you'd want to fly
Speaker 1: him in the day before just in case there's you know,
Speaker 1: travel issues and you don't want to lose that on
Speaker 1: a big match. But like as a commentator, something goes wrong,
Speaker 1: you can't make the show. I mean, it's not the
Speaker 1: end of the world. So I think that he can
Speaker 1: just get in and out on one day and be
Speaker 1: back home so that.
Speaker 6: He need less prep during the day too. Yeah, getting
Speaker 6: in mid afternoon, catching an early flight Wednesday morning would
Speaker 6: be a piece of cake for him.
Speaker 1: And he needs to do is he can do on
Speaker 1: the plane. I mean, he knows everything about everybody anyway,
Speaker 1: so he could easily just fly in late in the day,
Speaker 1: fly out as soon as the show's over, get out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 4: I don't think they make him take down the ring.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't suspect, so no, it's possible. I think he's
Speaker 6: paid enough dues at this point in time in his career,
Speaker 6: accomplished enough. He's not on ring crew.
Speaker 1: I will say that I did hear, and this is
Speaker 1: this was all speculation, But you know, I heard from
Speaker 1: one person that said, you know, if this guy, if
Speaker 1: this guy is going back on the road one day
Speaker 1: a week, that suggests that they think Breeze coming back
Speaker 1: for sure for her one day a week.
Speaker 4: So we'll see. We'll see what ends up happening. All right.
Speaker 1: This person says, are you going to review and never
Speaker 1: sorry over Brian and Vinnie as a comparison to Triple Mania.
Speaker 1: I guess we could try. We are going to review
Speaker 1: the World's Collide show this weekend. Tell you that much,
Speaker 1: and I would be willing to review the CMLL anniversary show,
Speaker 1: So we'll do that here at some point.
Speaker 6: I'm sure Craig won't be happy if you had another show.
Speaker 1: Too bad, brother, Well, it's not adding. He just doesn't
Speaker 1: watch the other shows. If he has to watch the
Speaker 1: Triple A show, he's just not gonna watch SmackDown in Collision.
Speaker 4: That's how he gets arounded.
Speaker 1: I can't even read what this person said. Your name
Speaker 1: should be. I'll tell you during the break. It has
Speaker 1: to do with your other gimmick. What is Lance's thought
Speaker 1: about John Moxley as a heel but in reality he's
Speaker 1: a babyface.
Speaker 6: I don't watch it enough to comment too much, but
Speaker 6: it's odd. I've had it explain to me a few times,
Speaker 6: and I don't fully get it because it falls into
Speaker 6: that weird category of if he's a baby or he's
Speaker 6: trying to be a babyface. By saving the company, you
Speaker 6: have to accept the premise that the company he is
Speaker 6: not good right now. And I've never liked the we
Speaker 6: need to turn things around angle.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me if I may. It's not
Speaker 1: so much of these trying to save the company. I
Speaker 1: probably have said that myself in explaining this, But I
Speaker 1: think it's more that this Moxley character just wants it
Speaker 1: to be its best and he wants new people to
Speaker 1: step up.
Speaker 4: It's not so much like.
Speaker 6: It's not it's not as good as it should be. No,
Speaker 6: and talent aren't doing as well as they should. Listen,
Speaker 6: that's an odd story to tell.
Speaker 1: Listen, is wwe doing great right now?
Speaker 6: Not as great as they were?
Speaker 1: Well, i mean business wise, they're doing things. They're on fire, okay,
Speaker 1: but they still have a developmental because they know we're
Speaker 1: gonna always need new talent, We're always gonna need new stars.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it sucks now. It just means we got
Speaker 1: to set the table for the future. That's more what
Speaker 1: he's doing, like I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 6: He's not feuding with developmental people.
Speaker 1: No, but his point is like, I'm not gonna be
Speaker 1: around forerever if.
Speaker 6: He was in ring of honor, telling them to step
Speaker 6: up because aw needs a future. Then it'd be different.
Speaker 1: His deal is, I'm not gonna be around forever. Like
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian Albarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Simper BB. I'm a sports byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 4: Okay, the show.
Speaker 1: Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live Lance, what did you
Speaker 1: think of Monday Night Raw?
Speaker 4: The usual?
Speaker 6: It was okay. I find thee I feel like I'm
Speaker 6: watching the audience more than I am a show far
Speaker 6: too often. Like I get that it's fun for the
Speaker 6: audience to wave their hands and yeat, but I get
Speaker 6: tired of just watching fans eating, or fans reacting or
Speaker 6: fans singing. I tune in to watch the stars and
Speaker 6: watch the wrestling, and I find I sit there watching
Speaker 6: the fans more than I would care to.
Speaker 4: My big issue is this Lance. These matches, dude.
Speaker 6: Four of them all, I'll have the same finish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it's the same.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, I mean, they do run ins everywhere,
Speaker 1: but like I think the problem is, even though they
Speaker 1: do run ins everywhere, they're so patterned in WWE, It's
Speaker 1: like they have a patterned run in leading to the
Speaker 1: finished deal. It's not even like it's different every time.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is the from the comeback on.
Speaker 1: Actually think WWE has been booking some good stuff lately.
Speaker 1: If you take out the run ins they've they've really
Speaker 1: kind of stepped up that period from the comeback to
Speaker 1: the finish, you know, there's there's more twists and turns
Speaker 1: now and.
Speaker 6: And to their credit last night they gave us finishes
Speaker 6: at least, but there was four minor involvement from the
Speaker 6: person at ringside leading to the heel going over. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and there were pinfalls at least, but very similar.
Speaker 1: But my point is from the from the comeback to
Speaker 1: the finish, I feel like the matches have really they've
Speaker 1: kind of stepped it up a little bit in terms
Speaker 1: of putting them together, but it's at the expense of
Speaker 1: from the bell ringing to the comeback, these matches are
Speaker 1: so boring, Like they're so all exactly the same, and
Speaker 1: I'm just bored to tears. And then finally they do
Speaker 1: the big come back, and like it takes me a
Speaker 1: while to get into it because I'm so bored leading
Speaker 1: up to it, and they got so much talent, and
Speaker 1: it just feels like, I don't know if I don't
Speaker 1: really want to blame the agents, but it does kind
Speaker 1: of feel like there's some laziness here where it's like,
Speaker 1: just do whatever for the first nine minutes and then
Speaker 1: let's concentrate on this stuff.
Speaker 4: From the comeback forward.
Speaker 6: I'm quite sure the agent slash producer isn't telling them that.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they're telling them that like on purpose,
Speaker 1: but it's and it's probably the wrestlers also know that,
Speaker 1: like the first five minutes is going to be during
Speaker 1: commercial and then you know what it could be.
Speaker 6: And again I'm speculating because obviously I'm not there, but
Speaker 6: I have seen it many times as a wrestler and
Speaker 6: as a producer that if you have a very busy day,
Speaker 6: whether the production meeting gets out late or you have
Speaker 6: a lot of pretapes, you have a lot of backstage stuff,
Speaker 6: you know that you're really really busy, and obviously if
Speaker 6: you're limited in time, you will all right, let's put
Speaker 6: together the finish. Let's put together or go home. Let's
Speaker 6: get all these really good near falls, let's make it exciting.
Speaker 6: And if you're running out of time, it's like, okay,
Speaker 6: we'll figure out the last out there and the beginning
Speaker 6: doesn't get the time if you don't have a lot
Speaker 6: of time in the afternoon, And it's possible that with
Speaker 6: the high level of production and all the pre tapes
Speaker 6: and stuff that might be occupying a lot of their time,
Speaker 6: and they have to focus on the end and don't
Speaker 6: get to focus as much on the beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 1: is the whole main event scene on Raw with Braun Listen.
Speaker 1: I like, I think bron Breaker is great. I thought
Speaker 1: he would be even further than.
Speaker 4: He is already. It just took him a while.
Speaker 1: I think Bronson Reid is great, But they're so determined
Speaker 1: to get over braun Breaker that you've got this this
Speaker 1: two person unit that's like it's not even like the
Speaker 1: Hurt Syndicate where like they're killing all these jobber teams.
Speaker 1: It's like, these dudes are out here killing all your
Speaker 1: main events, and you know, in a fair fight, the
Speaker 1: babyfaces get killed every time. Then a third babyface has
Speaker 1: to come out with a weapon, they still get killed.
Speaker 1: And then finally when they manage to send the Heels packing,
Speaker 1: then these three idiot babyfaces like screw everything up for
Speaker 1: each other. And it's like during the main event Angle,
Speaker 1: the fans were actually chanting for Paul Hayman, the Heel manager,
Speaker 1: because your babyfaces are so stupid and incompetent.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it opened up with Jimmy and Jay coming out
Speaker 1: and they make fun of Bron and Braun and Paul
Speaker 1: and La Night ends up coming out to attack the
Speaker 1: Heels and they cut him off and the USOS hit
Speaker 1: dives and as always in the middle of the Babyfaces
Speaker 1: running wild three on two on these heels, somebody does
Speaker 1: something stupid and La Knight moves and Jay gets squished,
Speaker 1: and then, even though it's clearly an accident, the entire
Speaker 1: story is Jay getting angry that La got him, Like,
Speaker 1: what's happening here?
Speaker 6: If La didn't move, they both would have got squished.
Speaker 6: Jay would not have benefited if La Knight didn't move.
Speaker 1: No, So then they signed La Night versus Bronson for
Speaker 1: the main event at AJ and L Grande Americano, which
Speaker 1: you know after the comeback it was. It was pretty
Speaker 1: good and then Dre another El Grande interfered, Dragonly ran down,
Speaker 1: got rid of him, and then AJ hit the Styles
Speaker 1: Clash and pinned El Grande and last few minutes of
Speaker 1: this were very good.
Speaker 6: And AJ I believe the only Babyface that won Tonight.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, we had Adam Pierce meeting with EO. Something's
Speaker 1: up with Stephanie. She she was not on the show.
Speaker 1: They merely said she couldn't make it.
Speaker 4: He said she.
Speaker 1: Should be good for Russell Palooza, but it's a mystery,
Speaker 1: so hopefully she's all right. And then we had Oscar
Speaker 1: Kyrie showing up and Nicki had been talking to EO
Speaker 1: and Oscar told her to stay away from her, and
Speaker 1: so Nicki got angry and then they got into a
Speaker 1: big argument and it led to a match later on.
Speaker 1: There were three matches signed during the show, which means
Speaker 1: Adam Pierce had nothing planned. And we had Lyra and Raquel,
Speaker 1: which I actually thought was one of the best matches
Speaker 1: on the show. I thought they were great together. I
Speaker 1: thought they actually did a lot of different unique things
Speaker 1: in this match. And finally there was a minor distraction
Speaker 1: by ro sand and Raquel Pinder with the Daejanobaum.
Speaker 4: I thought they did a good job.
Speaker 6: M this was actually I should mention my very first
Speaker 6: exposure to Joe tessitur really yeah.
Speaker 4: I like Joe tests.
Speaker 6: I find him a little His excitement level is fairly consistent,
Speaker 6: which to me feels a little unnatural. It doesn't go
Speaker 6: up and down as much.
Speaker 1: With give him a few weeks see what you think
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 6: Is he going to be regularly on raw moving forward?
Speaker 1: Well until Wade? Actually, you know, I don't know he
Speaker 1: might be. I was told he's on Raw, so he
Speaker 1: may be permanently on Raw.
Speaker 6: Now, I guess I'll be able to give him a chance.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 1: We had an awesome segment with the war Raiders and
Speaker 1: Penta and Adam Pierce. I encourage everybody to watch this segment.
Speaker 1: Penta he's very upset with Adam Pierce for not loving
Speaker 1: him like the fans do. And Adam Pierce is trying
Speaker 1: to plead his case, I do I like you a lot,
Speaker 1: and Penta.
Speaker 4: Is not having it, just shakes his head nope.
Speaker 1: And then he announces he does not like the Intercontinental champion,
Speaker 1: demands a title shot, and then Russev shows up and
Speaker 1: gets in uh Penti's face and they announced a match
Speaker 1: for those guys for later on.
Speaker 6: Are you aware of Adam Pierce's gimmick on social media
Speaker 6: where he posts loves somebody today. This was a bit
Speaker 6: of a play on that.
Speaker 4: Oh is that what that is?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Every day?
Speaker 6: Yea love somebody today socials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Penta's upset that he's not loving him. Big Jim
Speaker 1: met with AJ and Dragon Lee and Jay ends up
Speaker 1: walking up. He's on his way out of the building
Speaker 1: and jim says, we need to we need to work together.
Speaker 1: We're not going to get to wrestle Polluzin. Jay wants
Speaker 1: none of this, and he says he's leaving, He's out
Speaker 1: of here. Jimmy tells him, you're starting to sound like Roman.
Speaker 4: We had the AJ Lee.
Speaker 1: Segment to set up Wreussell Palooza, and it's hard to
Speaker 1: time these segments because Netflix they cut out commercials, and
Speaker 1: when they cut out commercials, the clock just jumps forward
Speaker 1: or whatever, so it's hard to figure out.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 1: It felt like they went twenty five minutes. I mean,
Speaker 1: they knew that this thing was hot, and so it
Speaker 1: was like, we are going to milk this for all
Speaker 1: it's worth. And AJ came out and she cut a
Speaker 1: long promo talking about her time off and therapy and
Speaker 1: everything that went down with Becky. And then Becky's music
Speaker 1: hits and she comes out and they go a long time,
Speaker 1: and then Seth's music hits and he comes out and
Speaker 1: he's being a jerk, and then finally see him Punk
Speaker 1: shows up. And long story short, punk makes Seth so
Speaker 1: angry that Seth agrees to the mixtag at Russell Palooza,
Speaker 1: which Becky does not want. She does not want this match.
Speaker 1: She is petrified of aj Lee. But the match is on,
Speaker 1: and so aj who had been wearing Becky's belt which
Speaker 1: he stole on SmackDown, she did give the belt back.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was It was a good segment overall, It.
Speaker 4: Was just long.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and somehow aj Lee has aged weeks in the
Speaker 6: last ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, basically she looks pretty much exactly the same. We
Speaker 1: had another Bailey segment. Then Russev faced Penta, which was
Speaker 1: a It was it was not as good as I expected,
Speaker 1: just kind of there and out was you know, they
Speaker 1: had new Dan Grayson Waller out there and Penta went
Speaker 1: up top, Xavier jumped on the apron, Penta booted him,
Speaker 1: got kicked on the way down, pinned your usual horrific
Speaker 1: WWE finish. I mean this one was interference directly leading
Speaker 1: to the to the finish.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there was interference earlier because Penta had to
Speaker 6: dive out on the on the.
Speaker 1: Mall at the Nicki Bella Oscar match, which actually They
Speaker 1: had a straight match, no interference, and a clean finish,
Speaker 1: and it was Osca tapping her out with the Oscar lock.
Speaker 6: There was a little bit of interference when Osca hid
Speaker 6: behind Kyrie and used her as a distraction.
Speaker 1: Beget that did happen, but I don't count that because
Speaker 1: Kyrie wanted nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: She was an innocent victim in all of this.
Speaker 6: But yes, relatively clean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tap out from Nicki Bella, which surprised me. So
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they need another female heel.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll find out.
Speaker 6: They think they're gonna turn nicky heel.
Speaker 4: Kind of hm, kinda.
Speaker 1: And then Nicki and Oska got into a big confrontation
Speaker 1: and Rhea showed up to back up Nicki. So for
Speaker 1: the time being, looks like we're just going to have
Speaker 1: a a tag program here. And also Oscar versus Rhea
Speaker 1: is coming. And then the main event was Bronson Reid
Speaker 1: in La Knight, which same deal. I thought this match
Speaker 1: was pretty good, Like Bronson is very good. Bronson is
Speaker 1: good in the ring and on the mic, like he
Speaker 1: carried that opening segment with bron Breaker, and La Knight
Speaker 1: has very much stepped up his.
Speaker 4: Game since coming to the main roster.
Speaker 1: And then there was of course interferenced by bron Breaker.
Speaker 1: He jumped up on the apron, La knocked him off,
Speaker 1: Bronson grabbed the DVD hit the pin. This was the
Speaker 1: exact same finish as the Penta match two matches earlier,
Speaker 1: exact same finish, and that's when they did the big
Speaker 1: schmas where two heels beat down three men with a chair,
Speaker 1: and the three men were the one with a chair.
Speaker 1: The two heels beat them up, and then finally they
Speaker 1: send him packing. And then the three baby faces are
Speaker 1: in the ring and La, who doesn't like anybody, is
Speaker 1: willing to shake Jimmy's hand for helping him. But then
Speaker 1: he turns around and JJ's years a guy. That's his
Speaker 1: receipt from earlier in the evening, even though early in
Speaker 1: the evening was a mistake and this was on purpose.
Speaker 1: So everyone booed jay you know you've got you've got
Speaker 1: an angle where they're booing Jay uso, they're chanting for
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman.
Speaker 4: It's like, this ain't working.
Speaker 1: Whatever you're doing, it's not working right now. They did
Speaker 1: yat at the end, but yeah, they did eat a
Speaker 1: little bit but it wasn't.
Speaker 6: The Roxanne finish also a slight distraction into a few.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit of a distraction, but a
Speaker 1: rock sand which is like on the outside. I don't
Speaker 1: think she jumped all the way up on the apron
Speaker 1: like those other two. Anyway, back in a moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: So you got nothing this week? You're off the road, brother.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and even the I get to drive. We're in
Speaker 6: Edmonton next.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: No flights for me until Bound for Glory.
Speaker 4: How did it go this past week?
Speaker 6: It was a lot of fun, really great crowd in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
Speaker 6: And this isn't a spoiler because it's been stooged off online.
Speaker 6: Ken Anderson made a surprise return to TNA, and I
Speaker 6: got to produce the match he was in and it
Speaker 6: was a lot of fun working with him.
Speaker 4: He came back and wrestled, He was.
Speaker 6: There and wrestled. I won't give any more details because
Speaker 6: it hasn't aired yet, but there's spoilers everywhere online, so
Speaker 6: I'm not stooging anything off. But he was one of
Speaker 6: the guys I trained in OVW in like four five
Speaker 6: and it was a lot of fun getting to see
Speaker 6: him and produce with him.
Speaker 1: Try to see when the last time he had a
Speaker 1: match was.
Speaker 6: Says he still wrestles occasionally a couple times a month.
Speaker 6: Let's see the last time he was actually on a
Speaker 6: major platform on television.
Speaker 1: Profi dB has three matches since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 4: That doesn't sound right.
Speaker 6: Three matches since before the pandemic. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Battleground Championship for Wrestling on July twenty twenty five. Then
Speaker 1: you have to go all the way back to the
Speaker 1: Hardys Reunion on May in May of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 6: So, but he was a former two time TNA World
Speaker 6: champ and he made his return. The crowd was quite happy.
Speaker 1: But I'll bounce that well. Check out Impact on Thursday, everybody,
Speaker 1: and Lance is gonna be back.
Speaker 4: I guess we'll see when you got.
Speaker 1: Nothing new, brother, I'm free on Thursday.
Speaker 6: No, I could probably sit in on Thursday.
Speaker 4: I can plug some Impact.
Speaker 1: Sure, all right, we're gonna wrap it up everybody, and
Speaker 1: I'll be back later tonight.
Speaker 4: Brian and Vinie and Granny and Craig and Shawn Show.
Speaker 1: And there's an Observer Radio last night, another one coming
Speaker 1: up tomorrow tomorrow Observed Live with Tom and that's it.
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you after a while.
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