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Speaker 1: The NBA is on tune in streaming every NBA game

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Speaker 1: around the globe. It's time to bring you the confrontational

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Speaker 1: front court of Michael Rappaport and Karan Butler. We'll go

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Speaker 1: over the hole there is, there's the shooter. It's a

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Speaker 1: new record for a quarters, folks. This is two man.

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Speaker 1: We've live from south By Southwest in Austin, Texas on

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Speaker 1: the NBA on tune in your home for the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is the two man We've we got

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Speaker 1: Karan Butler. Here we are in Austin, Texas, south By Southwest.

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Speaker 1: I want to take this moment to thank all the

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Speaker 1: indie bands in the area for not playing any music temporarily.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Rapport filling in for Kenyan Martin.

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Speaker 1: Is somebody I'm excited to talk about. Two time NBA

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Speaker 1: All Star NBA Champion, Mr Karan Butler. Thanks glad to

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Speaker 1: hear lady appreciate it. Thanks for the love of Austin.

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Speaker 1: You're not rocket with the best. We're not talking analytics,

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Speaker 1: We're not talking measurements and all that stuff. We're talking facts.

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Speaker 1: We're talking opinions. Tough juice, rookie rookie year you played

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Speaker 1: with the Miami Heat. You got drafted out of Yukon.

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Speaker 1: This tournament, this Big East tournament, this use n t

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Speaker 1: A a tournament. What was this? Like what's your fondest

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Speaker 1: memory of being in the uh the march, madness of

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Speaker 1: lose a go home when in excel, I thought that

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Speaker 1: But it was a great experience because you know, coming

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Speaker 1: from a prestigious university like Yukon, we're not used to

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Speaker 1: being in that in that tournament. And you know, so

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Speaker 1: I learned from that and that summer I took a

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Speaker 1: lot of you know, a different approach, like in my health,

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Speaker 1: you know, on my way, standing in a good rhythm,

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Speaker 1: standing in a good flow. Playing with the USA team

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Speaker 1: that summer went to China. You know, one of gold

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Speaker 1: medal came back. I was prepared. I was in basketball Molde,

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Speaker 1: fortunate to leave my ball club, you know forward. And

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Speaker 1: then we went to the lead A and we lost

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Speaker 1: to the you know, the champs, you know in Maryland.

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Speaker 1: You know they took it all the way. You know

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Speaker 1: it was a Helm mary three point in by Blake.

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Speaker 1: Uh he hit Steve Blake. He had a big time

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Speaker 1: shot in that moment. But you know, we left it

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Speaker 1: all out there on the court and it was an

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Speaker 1: amazing feeling. All right, Karen Father, my man Toughedes. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna throw this at you, throw you for a little

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Speaker 1: loop here. Okay. I remember seeing you when you were

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Speaker 1: in your when you were in the league. I don't

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Speaker 1: remember what brought it. I believe you were the season

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Speaker 1: was going on. You were on the Tonight Show with

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Speaker 1: Jay Leno and and it's this when you were stolen

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Speaker 1: the league. I I don't remember what happened to get

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Speaker 1: you on the show, but you know you were talking

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Speaker 1: about being an NBA player. You were young, and you

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Speaker 1: were telling your story. It was very emotional, very genuine.

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Speaker 1: So the first time I saw you off the court

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Speaker 1: about a week later. Now, I'm gonna throw you for

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Speaker 1: a loop here, and I know you know where I'm

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Speaker 1: going here, you may not. This is that you gotta

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Speaker 1: because this had been, this would have been had been

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Speaker 1: in one of the best social media moments of all time.

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Speaker 1: But this is before Twitter and all that tiff. About

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Speaker 1: a week later, two weeks later, halle Berry single, halle

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Speaker 1: Berry goes on Jay Leno, and Jay Leno is like

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Speaker 1: asking her questions and he didn't even bring up Karen Butler.

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Speaker 1: She was like, you know, I saw Karn Butler on

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Speaker 1: here two weeks ago, and that's who I'm checking. So

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Speaker 1: she was basically shouting you out. My question is and

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Speaker 1: then hey, first of all, as anybody connected those doctors,

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Speaker 1: that just me. He changed the dynamic of my household

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Speaker 1: for a minute. Break it down. I mean she basically

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Speaker 1: shouted you out. She was making like you're sliding in

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Speaker 1: the d MS, but there was no DMS to slide up,

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Speaker 1: and she should give me a shout off. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: in a shout out, my man. That was an invitation.

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Speaker 1: was watching the show when you were married, man. At

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Speaker 1: this point, okay, you were engaged. Now now you're you're

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Speaker 1: now did the players are you were? What team? Were

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Speaker 1: you with the Wizards of this? Okay, you're with the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Now that got around quick. I couldn't have been the

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Speaker 1: She she she. It wasn't a shout out I'm a fan.

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Speaker 1: It was like, yo, dude, this is before the deal.

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Speaker 1: This is like, yo, Garan Butler. There ain't no other Karan.

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Speaker 1: There ain't no other Karan Butler. Holler at me, this

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Speaker 1: is me. Halle Berry. She was looking at yo. I

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Speaker 1: was like, Yo, my man, Karan Butler, he's about to

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Speaker 1: put in that work because rarely everybody's like halle Berry.

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Speaker 1: Halle Berry. Hallie Berry was like, tough juice. I want

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Speaker 1: to drink some of that. Tough is the two man

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Speaker 1: we've Karan Butler is a married man. I just thought

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Speaker 1: that that was a very very important part of pre

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Speaker 1: just gonna jump in with you. Your career you played,

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Speaker 1: you had very, very very prolific NBA career. You played

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Speaker 1: with people by the names of Kobe, Dirk Lamar, Dwyane Wade.

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Speaker 1: I asked so many questions forget the best, maybe the

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Speaker 1: So when you look at talent, it and it could

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Speaker 1: Lamar would be like, uh a gym's dream, you know

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Speaker 1: he's He's great at passing. He's not a great score,

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00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 1: but he can't score. And that's crazy to say, because

426
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: he's an all time score right now. He's probably gonna

427
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: get to second all time before he's finished playing. And

428
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: he's doing that just because he's just a great player,

429
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, all around player. We probably

430
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: won't see anything like him again all around. You know,

431
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: he's so big, Um he was a guy that was

432
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: just a physical specimen like nothing I've ever seen before,

433
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like his contact, He loved

434
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: the physical contact. He really understood the game at a

435
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: young age, you know what I mean, Like we called

436
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: him where the personnel wasn't assemboled around him, probably as

437
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: best that he probably would like. But at the same time,

438
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: he made those guys, he made below average players above

439
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: average players. And that's what you can appreciate about his greatness. Wow. Yeah,

440
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: I mean you can't argue with that. And that's one

441
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: of the things as much as I love Kobe, as

442
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: much as I really truly can't stand you know, Lebron's

443
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: off the court stuff. And I don't mean behavior, I

444
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: mean the switching teams and all that foolishness. That's the

445
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: thing that I got I get most frustrated with with

446
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: Lebron James. You know, you could take him and put

447
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: him on the Brooklyn nets of them a month of

448
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: practice and they're gonna be contenders in this Seastern Conference

449
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: right now. They're definitely gonna make the playoffs, like right

450
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: off the bat. Yeah, he because he understands the the

451
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: psyche of guys, younger guys in particular, he understands how

452
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: to win. He know how to get the job done.

453
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to Map you know, one of

454
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: Lebron's you know, close friends, and he was just like,

455
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: he's the Steve Jobs of the NBA. He's not. He's

456
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: not Michael Jordan. Michael Michael Jordan is something different, you

457
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But he's the Steve Jobs of

458
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: the NBA, you know what I mean, Like he gets it.

459
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: He he understands how to bring business to the game.

460
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: He gets it on all aspects of the game. And

461
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna be the first billionaire basketball player

462
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: active in the history of the game. I mean, you

463
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: can't argue with it. And he totally deserves it and

464
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: what he's done for the game, and I know that.

465
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to U Kenyan and Steven Stephen

466
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: Jackson about him on on the two men we've and

467
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: and they both, you know, mentioned a lot of the

468
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: stuff that he does for Players Union and him and

469
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: Chris Paul like fighting for players rights. So so I'm

470
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: a lone wolf when it comes to talking crap about

471
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: Lebron James. But obviously I respect the game. I've been

472
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of talking the post. I've been doing

473
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Speaker 1: my sixty minutes uh imitation here, Karen, you said you

474
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Speaker 1: had some questions for me, Michael Rador, what do you

475
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: want to know? My take on the NBA? What do

476
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: you what do you want from there? Yeah? I respect

477
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: your take and I love your take, But I want

478
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 1: to know how did you get in the business of acting?

479
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: Is that something that you always wanted to do? Like

480
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: I caught you a movie Zebra back in the day.

481
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of yours, still is you know?

482
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: So I wanted to know, like, how did you get

483
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: into that business? You know what, I'll be honest with you.

484
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: When I was nine years old, nineteen seventy nine, I

485
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: had I was always into sports. I played sports my

486
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Speaker 1: whole life. But after or during the n c A

487
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: tournament with Magic and Bird, I decided at nine years old,

488
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in the NBA. That that that

489
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: tournament leading up to it, I decided I was going

490
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: to be in the n b A. I was gonna play.

491
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: I gave up baseball and football. Okay. People were sad,

492
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: and I dedicated my life to play in basketball. Like

493
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: I love basketball and growing up in New York at

494
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Speaker 1: that time in the streets of New York. Playing in

495
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: the streets of New York, it took me to a

496
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 1: whole other world because, you know where I'm from, there

497
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: wasn't that much competition. I became the best player in

498
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: my neighborhood quick, which says a lot about the neighborhood.

499
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: Then I I met my my, my good friend g Moody.

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Speaker 1: Last name rhymes are Duty the two thousand and fifteen

501
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: podcast Coach of the Year, Show Up, Some Love, Show Love.

502
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: And we were kids and we just we met playing

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00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: ball down at the Madison Square Boys Club. And at

504
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: that time I met also Kenny Anderson and eleven year

505
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: old Kenny Anderson, who was you knew, no, no bull crap.

506
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: You know, people evolved differently, But at eleven years old,

507
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I can tell you Kenny Anderson, you knew he was

508
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a professional basketball player. The way he handled

509
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: the basketball at eleven years old was as if it

510
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: was like a fish swimming. It was incredible to watch.

511
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: But going back to to to me, um, you know,

512
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: basketball was my life and and playing ball was my life.

513
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: And and you know, when I was about sixteen seventeen,

514
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: I started to realize, like, I'm not gonna make the NBA,

515
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna get a college scholarship. But throughout

516
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: my my life, I've always been a big trash talker.

517
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: I always, you know, it was it was always. I

518
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: was always comfortable with making people laugh and and and

519
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: I loved movies. I never wanted to be in them.

520
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to be like the characters. So when I

521
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: started feeling like, you know what am I gonna do

522
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: in my life? You know, and Eddie Murphy this is

523
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: in the eighties when Eddie Murphy was talking about people

524
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: forget Eddie Murphy was the star when the stars were

525
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, you know, Madonna, Prince, Eddie Murphy, young Eddie

526
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: Murphy and Signing of Life was that guy, and I

527
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: like loved him. And then when I was eighteen nineteen,

528
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I must try to do

529
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: stand up comedy, and I'm gonna try to do it

530
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: one time, and if I could make one person laugh,

531
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again. And I did. Add I

532
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: started doing stand up comedy and then and then I

533
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: from being on stage in the stand up coming. I

534
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: was never Chris Rock. I was never great I wasn't nervous.

535
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: And that was the thing about doing stand up comedy,

536
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: And that's why I knew like doing stand up comedy

537
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: and inevitably acting. Like when I played bowl, I had nerves.

538
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: When I did stand up comedy the very first time,

539
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't nervous when I acted the very first time.

540
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: It's probably the way it is for you when you

541
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: play basketball, it's like it's natural to you, you know

542
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like when you're in year zone, when

543
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: you're the big moments come. Obviously there's Jenner's but when

544
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: you start playing, and as much as I practice, as

545
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: much as I love basketball, like it never was like

546
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: it never came natural in terms of like that that

547
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: natural gift. I love the game, I love playing, I

548
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: love practicing. But as soon as I did stand up

549
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: comedy the very first time, I was nineteen, I wasn't nervous.

550
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: It was like natural. And like when you know, one

551
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: of the things that I love about professional athletes, whether

552
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a basketball player, a fighter, um, a gymnast, they're

553
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: so relaxed, you know, And when you watch great actors,

554
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about myself, when you watch like

555
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: a robertson Her or Benicio del Toro or Sean pen

556
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: or a Denzel, whoever you're into, a metal street, whatever

557
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: you're into. They're so comfortable doing their thing. There's no nervousness,

558
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: there's no it's like in between action and cut, that's

559
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: like a safe place. It's like when you're on the court,

560
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: when you're grooving. So when I started acting, that was

561
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: as comfortable as I had ever been doing anything. And

562
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I had played basketball, is the first time I acted.

563
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: It was literally the most natural thing for me. And

564
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: I've been playing sports and basketball in my whole life,

565
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: so I knew, like, this is what I want to do.

566
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: And it was like something like I just thrived on

567
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: and I still continue to thrive on it. And you know,

568
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: the business of acting in the business of show, you know,

569
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it so long. It's a whole

570
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: other animal to paint and pain in the butt. But

571
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: in between action and cut, when I'm doing my thing,

572
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: it's the closest thing I could compare it to is sex.

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00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: It's euphoric. It's like when you're in the zone when

574
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: you're playing ball and you got somebody on skates and

575
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: like you're not thinking about anything else. And for me

576
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: when I'm doing my thing, when i'm when I'm when

577
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: i'm acting, in between action and cut, it's the same

578
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: thing for like an athlete, I imagine. Yeah, So that

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00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: that's that's how I got into it. And you know,

580
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: my basketball kept me on the straight arrow because you

581
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: know at nine, ten, eleven, twelve, even into my teams,

582
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: like I wasn't really even paying attention hardcore and the

583
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: girls until I was sixteen, because you play ball, you

584
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: don't have time for a girlfriend. You play ball, you

585
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: don't drink, you don't smoke. I'm gonna be in the NBA.

586
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: So I had a plan, I had a focus. And

587
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: although I didn't get you know, I didn't get there,

588
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: the friends that I made, the relationships that I made,

589
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: um the the the tenacity and the intensity of playing basketball.

590
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: I took that mentality to what I do as an

591
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: actor in terms of the competitiveness totally different. But the

592
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: competitiveness of being an actor, especially young actor, with auditioning

593
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: and all that, like, to me, it was like yo,

594
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: games on the line. You have to go in there

595
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: and do your thing. So like all that I mean,

596
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: and it's the way it worked out for me. But

597
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: basketball was always my passion. I've been such a fan

598
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: and you know, fortunate enough to play in New York

599
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: City when there was so many, so much great talent

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00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: that I played with the Kenny Andersons and Melik Silley's

601
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: um and watching Rod Strickland in high school. He it

602
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: was a ridiculous I mean Rod Strickland, you know, I

603
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: watched him playing this this game called the Wheelchair Classic

604
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: in high school. You know it was it was magical,

605
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: you know. And watching um Um Hurly play all over

606
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: the city, watching Lloyd Daniels play, and and you know,

607
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: being in the park and playing with you know, he

608
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: wasn't playing competitive and we were playing with World b Free,

609
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: watching Pearl Washington playing in the park. These are experiences

610
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: that meant so much to me and and and shaped

611
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: who I am today and and and basketball specifically is

612
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: something that like my passion and my luck. Board That's

613
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: why I get so critical and frustrated when I feel

614
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: like the skinny genification of the league because I'm I'm afraid.

615
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: You know, my father, he's older, he doesn't watch sports,

616
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: is watch anymore. And I understand like in his head,

617
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: it's like it's different. But like when I watched that

618
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: All Star Game, and I talked about this on your

619
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: show on tune in. When I watched that All Star Game,

620
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: is the first time in my life I have thought

621
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: to myself, you know, I might not I might not

622
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: be rocking with this forever because I felt like, obviously

623
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: it's an All Star game and we can't look into

624
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: it too much. But you've been in All Star games,

625
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: you have to at least give the impression of the

626
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: impression that you care Forget the celebrities and the Kevin Harts,

627
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: and and and and and the jay Z's and Beyonce's

628
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: that get their tickets for free and they get with

629
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: to the game and whisked out, and no disrespect to them.

630
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: The people that spend their money to go see that game.

631
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: We know it's a show, but it ain't a magic show, like, yeah,

632
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: we came to see you play basketball, man. It's disrespectful

633
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: to the people that spend five take their kids there

634
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: in the chief seats, and you guys are laying around

635
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: on the floor, all of them. I thought it was disgusting.

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00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: The only ones who really played it like an appropriate

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Speaker 1: Ulstar game were Janice and Russell, Westroy the other guys,

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Speaker 1: Like I just thought it was an embarrassment to league

639
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Speaker 1: had to sit there and do for four quarters the

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Speaker 1: whole way through. And again, you're not gonna play hard.

641
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Speaker 1: It's an All Star game. But you're sitting there in

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Speaker 1: front of the great Doctor j the great Bill Russell,

643
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Speaker 1: who shows up in public for some reason, he's never

644
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Speaker 1: a shaving or manicure. That's a different story. But sit

645
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Speaker 1: there in front Willis Reid and these guys didn't do

646
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Speaker 1: that for forty eight minutes. This is slapping the face

647
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Speaker 1: to them, slapping the face of the fans. You know

648
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Speaker 1: what I mean, what did you think in this All

649
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Speaker 1: Star weekend? The dunk conscience was a joke? I thought

650
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Speaker 1: it was unacceptable and at the same I thought it

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Speaker 1: was you know, and I think it's gonna get addressed

652
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Speaker 1: because you know, you look at the president, you know,

653
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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, you know he reached out Adam Silver is

654
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Speaker 1: gonna be some changes, and you know it's warranted. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully they move forward in the right direction, and they

656
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Speaker 1: will because Chris Paul, you know, he's at the him. Yeah,

657
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Speaker 1: I mean I just think that it was just you

658
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Speaker 1: take it too far. I know, you guys have to

659
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Speaker 1: take breaks. You know, you played forty something games. You're

660
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Speaker 1: going hard. It is a celebration, but at least the

661
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Speaker 1: last two minutes of every quarter, give the play fake defense.

662
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Speaker 1: There's a way to play faith defense. Usually in the

663
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Speaker 1: first half is usually you know, you know, give him

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Speaker 1: take and then the second half is usually competitive. And

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter of the last four meve this

666
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Speaker 1: game was just it was just no defense, no nothing.

667
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Speaker 1: This out there and the slam dunk contests. You know,

668
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Speaker 1: it's like you you're you're sitting there doing these you

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Speaker 1: know you're coming out there, You're not sweating, you know

670
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Speaker 1: you're coming out there. There's no seen on you. You're

671
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Speaker 1: in front of Dominique Wilkins, You're in front of Dr JA,

672
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Speaker 1: like you're you're better than Dr J. You're better than Dominique,

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Speaker 1: Dominiqu Wilkins and Michael Jordan's and that dunk contest that

674
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Speaker 1: was alive Frasier. These guys were going and this is

675
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why Lebron James, It's like, you

676
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Speaker 1: do all this craziness now in your twelfth year. I

677
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Speaker 1: don't know how he does it. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: he does it in his twelter from eleventh year. I

679
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Speaker 1: don't know how Lebron James has made it this far,

680
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,479
Speaker 1: and it's crazy. The only player in NBA history, good bad,

681
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Speaker 1: twelk man who's never had an injury. I would love

682
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Speaker 1: to know what he's eating drinking. I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything, but I am saying I don't

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Speaker 1: know how how nobody else has ever. He's never broken

685
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Speaker 1: his thumb. I literally saw him grow his arm back

686
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Speaker 1: Game seven, he tried to bang it on Golden State.

687
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Speaker 1: I just like yo, he broke his arm. By the

688
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Speaker 1: time he shot his second free through, he grew a

689
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Speaker 1: new hand. I saw it. You gotta watch the car.

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Speaker 1: You're saying Lebron James. I'm not saying anything. I'm just

691
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Speaker 1: saying I want to know. Everybody's talking about the diets.

692
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Speaker 1: I talked to the great Brandon Marshall the New York Giants,

693
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Speaker 1: and he's eating this. He's not eating it. You guys

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Speaker 1: are with your diets and you're checking your analytics. What's

695
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Speaker 1: this guy eating? I saw him grow her hand back.

696
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's a mutant. I just want to

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Speaker 1: know what he's eating what he's drinking. I want to

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Speaker 1: know what kind of powders he's putting in his postions.

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Speaker 1: I need a little bit. I go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: All bets are off. I've tweaked ankles. Just walk into

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Speaker 1: the bathroom. He's Cleveland Strong, Cleveland Store. What kind of

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Speaker 1: water they have in Cleveland store. It's the two man.

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Speaker 1: We've here all right? Where did you grow up? Korn, Wisconsin? Okay? Now,

704
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Speaker 1: when I think of Wisconsin, I think of happy days,

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Speaker 1: I think of Virentually, I think of Latrell Spreewell, and

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Speaker 1: I think of you growing up from that area, Latrell Spreewroll.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's been other ballplayers. There's other athletes,

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Speaker 1: a lot of football plays, excellent guys, Nick the quick Nick.

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Speaker 1: But Latrelle was the first. What did he What did

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Speaker 1: that mean seeing somebody that was from the same state.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got the corn fed linemen that come

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Speaker 1: out of there, the big white shaved head, three pound

713
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Speaker 1: corn fed white guys that coming out there. But I'm

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Speaker 1: saying to see Latrell Sprewell, who's representing the same state

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Speaker 1: as you, playing basketball in such a ferocious, tenacious way,

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Speaker 1: as a young kid. He he made it there before you,

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Speaker 1: and then Nick made it there before you. What did

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Speaker 1: it mean to see Latrelle and then see Nick the

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Speaker 1: Quick doing their thing? That was just you know, that

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Speaker 1: was something that always aspired to be. You know, I

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Speaker 1: saw them due was on that platform, on that stage,

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Speaker 1: you know, already doing their thing. And then coming back

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Speaker 1: to the neighborhood. You know, Spree well had the rims

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Speaker 1: that kept spending. So when they come back to the communities,

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Speaker 1: they you know, come through and everybody saw them. You know,

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00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: they was you know, household names. They used their platform

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00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: well and you know, I was just like man that

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Speaker 1: inspired me to you know, strive for my goals. And

729
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: and where you're from. You talk about it in your

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Speaker 1: book Tough Juice, My Journey from the Streets to the NBA.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm from New York City. As far as

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Speaker 1: you know, growing up in New York City, we think,

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Speaker 1: like you know, in the in the seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: we thought that that was the only place that things

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Speaker 1: were like tough and rough. Obviously, you know, as you

736
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Speaker 1: get older, you hear about and it's all from hip hop. Really,

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00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: It's like you start to hear about the West coast,

738
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Speaker 1: and you start hear about the dirty, dirty you know. Unfortunately,

739
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: no disrespect. Uh, there hasn't been no hip hopper who's

740
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: put the Milwaukee on the map. But hearing about you,

741
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Speaker 1: hearing about Latreille and hearing about what it was like

742
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Speaker 1: to grow up in Milwaukee. What was it like in

743
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Speaker 1: that area you said you were you were it was

744
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: close to Chicago? What is it? What was it like

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00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: growing up in Wisconsin for you? Uh, you know it

746
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: was it was different because you know, you was exposed to,

747
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, the neighborhoods, and like every neighborhoods or in

748
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Speaker 1: the in the city, he was always supposed to, you know,

749
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: seeing violence at a young age. You was exposed to,

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Speaker 1: you know, seeing drug dylans. You was exposed to, seeing

751
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: all the things that you shouldn't see at a young age.

752
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: And you know, me, me and a youngster, you know,

753
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by that, you know what I'm saying.

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00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by you know, seeing you know, my

755
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: uncle's bringing garbage bags of money into the household. And

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00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: that was something that I was exposed to. So you're

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00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: gonna tell me as a as a seventh eighth ninth

758
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: grade to go to school, sit in a hot box,

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00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, for eight nine hours and then come out

760
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: and in those eight or nine hours you had made

761
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Speaker 1: five six thousand dollars, you know. And and I saw that,

762
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: and I was just intrigued by it. And then that's

763
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Speaker 1: what I started doing. I started hustling instead of going

764
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Speaker 1: to class. And how off the rails did you get?

765
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Speaker 1: How close were you to sort of being a statistic

766
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Speaker 1: winding up either in prison or you know dead, or

767
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: you know, how close to you to that? And then

768
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: how did things change? Because to go from you know,

769
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Speaker 1: that sort of lifestyle to go to playing in Yukon

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Speaker 1: and being a high school All American and eventually the NBA.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's like a that's literally like a road,

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Speaker 1: like when you got a left turn in the right turn. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was. I mean I was at a four road

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Speaker 1: many times in my life. Uh. I think the one

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Speaker 1: that really was, you know, devastating, was the time where

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Speaker 1: I went to high school. I was a freshman at

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Speaker 1: school and you know, the a t F, the Alcohol

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Speaker 1: Tobacco Firearm Unit had came to my school. They did

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Speaker 1: a raid on the school looking for me. Uh, they

780
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Speaker 1: found the thirty eight revolver on my possession. Uh, they

781
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Speaker 1: found cocaine in the locker, came and got me, sends

782
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: me to two years in corrections. And you know, I

783
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Speaker 1: thought like that was like the changing point, the game

784
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: changing for my life. You know. So when I got

785
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: back out after doing that bid, you know, I was

786
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: just you know, looking at life totally differently. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to get no credibility or be something

788
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: that you know, I wasn't you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I just I just try to do positive as much

790
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Speaker 1: as possible and try to exhaust that because I knew

791
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Speaker 1: the streets wasn't always be there. And how much basketball

792
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Speaker 1: when you were when you were incarcerated, you're in juvenile attention,

793
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: how much basketball were you able to play? And when

794
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: did that start to become like your focus? Yeah? When

795
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: I when I first got in there, I you know,

796
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: I was exposed to about two three hours of basketball.

797
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Speaker 1: You know, usually when guys be playing cards in the

798
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Speaker 1: day room and stuff like that. Um, you know, I

799
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Speaker 1: would go out and you know, play for canteen you

800
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Because my mother, my mother was

801
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: on you know, government assistant she was working when she

802
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Speaker 1: was on government assistant, single parent household. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I would go out there and just play for canteen

804
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Speaker 1: and try to up uplift my canteen. So you know,

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Speaker 1: I was playing for meals, you know, like really grinding

806
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: out there, playing like you know, playing for a bigger

807
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Speaker 1: runch or bigger everything. And that's how I got better,

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Speaker 1: you know, And that's how my competitive drive got there.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is good stuff Karan Butler, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't read his book, Tough Toose, My Journey from the

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Speaker 1: Streets to the NBA. It's also going to be made

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Speaker 1: Tag stay out of their lane. It's two man Weave

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Speaker 1: with Michael Rappaport and Karan Butler your Soba Buckler for

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Speaker 1: for Karan Butler, who's got thirty seven points live from

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Speaker 1: south By Southwest in Austin, Texas. All right, we're back

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Speaker 1: to man. We've Karan Butler and myself, Michael Rappaport. We're

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Speaker 1: doing it. The indie rock might be looming in the background,

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Speaker 1: but don't let that distract you from the conversation in hand.

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Speaker 1: The NBA on tune in talked about it, talk about

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Speaker 1: the uh, the past. I'm gonna get into the President

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Speaker 1: of the West. So when you're when you're guarding Steph

860
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Speaker 1: Curry the last few years you're playing in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: What is your opinion of Steph Curry's career. I mean

862
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: he's not even done yet. He's only twenty nine nine

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00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: as of yesterday. A lot of tread on the tires

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Speaker 1: for a little guy. I mean Steph Curry is about

865
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Speaker 1: six three right, with five pounds, with a pair of

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Speaker 1: uh skinny jeans and some wet timberlands. Okay, I love

867
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Speaker 1: Steph Curry. And also, speaking of Steph Curry, you have

868
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: his number in your phone? Okay, so could you chext

869
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: him and say listen, this isn't coming from me, It's

870
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Speaker 1: coming from Michael Rapport. Mike Rapports, are you mongous? Man?

871
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: I have a picture of me and Steph Curry. Okay.

872
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I I've been walking. I've been rocking with steps since

873
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,439
Speaker 1: he was at Davidson because I've seen his father play.

874
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: I had the fortune of getting hip to him first,

875
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: very early. But can you say, Steph my man? And

876
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: actually passes around the whole Golden State Warriors team. What's

877
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: up with the barber? You ain't got no barber's in Oakland.

878
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: Somebody gets him, like the whole team, He's up a

879
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: proper barber. First of all, Kevin Durant I don't know

880
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: what's going on with you're doing. Okay, Clay Thompson has

881
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: lined up real nice and proper. But Steph Curry, this

882
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: is a guy. He's married, He's got a beautiful white,

883
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: beautiful family family, his wedding pictures, he wasn't lined up

884
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Speaker 1: real nice, real proper. He knows better than that. Even

885
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: his pops, the Great war Del Curry keeps the fresh cut.

886
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: Where did he get Look, he was obviously raised fantastic

887
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: and come from a beautiful family. But what are you doing? Like,

888
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Speaker 1: can you chext him and say, yo, step what's up

889
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Speaker 1: with your don Once you start once, once you start,

890
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Speaker 1: that's not receiving. But once you start once, you start

891
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Speaker 1: playing with it, and you get the wrong barber, you know,

892
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: because sometimes like they want to give you the calie liner.

893
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: What's that they try to make it up. They like

894
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you go to a barber and they'd be like, look,

895
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Speaker 1: I want your line in to be where I wanted

896
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Speaker 1: to be. Listen, Steph Curry has access to a lot

897
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: of things. Okay, his wife, I have her cookbook. Follow

898
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Speaker 1: This is no disrespect to anything about de Curry, except

899
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Speaker 1: the fact that I feel like he's doing it just

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Speaker 1: service to him. I want you to text him right now,

901
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: live on the air and say, Michael Rapport says, what's

902
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: up with your barber? And why doesn't the team have

903
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Speaker 1: a proper barber? There? Have any of y'all ever got

904
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Speaker 1: a haircut in California? This guy's gotta be there looking in.

905
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: He's lined up a very California in a while, Curry

906
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: would wish that such a good haircut. Listen when you

907
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: go to a barber in California and they'd be like, yo,

908
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Speaker 1: what my man? Yo? Yeah, they make up your line

909
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: and they'd be like, yo, this will look better on you.

910
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: Be like, yo, give me a low cut Caesar with

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Speaker 1: the sides then out the side. They'd be like this,

912
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you something a little better than that.

913
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: But but Clay Sharp sleep, Clay, Clay trying to tell

914
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Speaker 1: you listen, alright, alright, fine, do you listen. I'm just saying,

915
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Speaker 1: maybe you don't want to do it on here, maybe

916
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: he'll catch feelings you don't want to put him. But

917
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Speaker 1: at some point, run you know, you're you're, you're, you're, you're, you're,

918
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Speaker 1: you're a contemporary of his. Guys, you need to tell him.

919
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to tell him. I've done it publicly, and yes,

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Speaker 1: you want to annow. You need to tell him, Yo,

921
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: fix you don't do. Get a brush, get yourself a

922
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: wave cap, start from scratch and fix your whole program.

923
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Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to throw him

924
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: off his rhythm right now. He needs to be He

925
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: just caught his flow a little bit on his birthday.

926
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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's try to ride it out for a minute.

927
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to do a high end basketball program and

928
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: you're talking about people's haircuts. You brought that up. No, No,

929
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Speaker 1: we're gonna listen to the team. I'm sitting here trying

930
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Speaker 1: to do stats and analytics and next thing you know,

931
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Speaker 1: you're talking about, Oh, I'm gonna tell Steph Curry he's

932
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: wig pieces message. I'm trying to talk hoops here. Man, listen.

933
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm trying to straddle the fence. I'm trying to be

934
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: a good dude, you know, because I'm gonna have to

935
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Speaker 1: go in those locker rooms and get the interviews. I

936
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 1: can't just be blazing nobody hairline and stuff like bring

937
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: me in. I'm telling him the truth. I'm not I'm

938
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Speaker 1: not trying to blaze him, roast him or snap on it.

939
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: I'm trying to save you from yourself. Curry, that whole crew.

940
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: The wig game is suspect. I told you it's the

941
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Speaker 1: California Barbers, though they don't want to go the man. Listen, Karen,

942
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: you were you were hurt two thousand eleven, the Dallas Mavericks.

943
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: You got injured in the playoffs. Okay, you gotta ring

944
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: for that champions. Okay, Now, I ain't no Dallas Mavericks fan,

945
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: But that dismantling of that Miami Heateles team, that Lebron

946
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: James Dwyane Wade, your guy and Chrish Bosh they created

947
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: that and they were fantastic when it was cooking. How

948
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: beautiful was it to see these guys are chess bumping there,

949
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: singing and dancing, your handshaking, you're playing Patty Cake, you're

950
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: playing Hot Scotch. You ain't won nothing. How beautiful was

951
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: it for you guys? Jason Terry was offended personally, Jurk Navinski,

952
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: de Sean Stevenson deemption after the Washington days that we

953
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: was there, and did they bring him in there solely

954
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: so he could get in Lebron's getting his getting his

955
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: chest piece like Jerome's niece. But the way home from

956
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: Jones Beach between that was cold. How you put that too?

957
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: Between him and de Sean Stephenson, they took that personal,

958
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, to you know, obviously you can't stop Lebron,

959
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: He's a great player, but just to slow him down.

960
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: And then you had the addition of you know, Corey

961
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: Brewer doing a little things pages to a convention. You

962
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: had JJ Barea, who was a game changer because he

963
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. Yeah, he was, you know, a little Puerto Rico,

964
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, he was getting into the paint, doing all

965
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: the little things, you know, a little a little man,

966
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: but playing a big role, a giant role. You know. Um,

967
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: you tip your hat off to him, Tyson Chandler, you know,

968
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: sacrificing himself in the middle, you know, being that presence,

969
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, defending deflections, you know what I'm saying, giving

970
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: us that energy and that effort that we so desperately needed.

971
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: And then dirt you know, top twenty five players all time,

972
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Aim or thirties plus thousand points, you know,

973
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: just doing all the little things, you know, fade away

974
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 1: one leg perfect. You know what I mean? Was was

975
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: that just fantastic? I mean it must have been a

976
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: part of the frushing, but inevitably you were there, you

977
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: were part of the team. Now, you know, you know

978
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I felt special because you know I was part of

979
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: the fabric of that team. And you know this, going

980
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: up to that point, I already knew, you know, secondly

981
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: scoring on the team at the time I went down.

982
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: And you know, this is the thing about you know basketball.

983
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, injuries happen, and you have to be able to,

984
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, continue to stay in the fabric of the

985
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: game and of your team in order for them to

986
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: be successful. And you know, I believe in things happened

987
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 1: for a reason, and I needed to be on that

988
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: signline cheering my guys on because you know, the way

989
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I reacted was important and I showed that you know,

990
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna break, you know what I mean. I

991
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: needed them to continue to move forward and do what

992
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: they need to do. And that's exactly what happened. What

993
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: kind of an order. He's so scrutinized. I've always liked

994
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: him when I've met him personally. I think he's been

995
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: great for the NBA. A um, what kind of an

996
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: owner was Mark Cuban? Uh? And what was that like?

997
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, playing under him? Because he seems like he's

998
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: so emotionally invested in the team. Sometimes people think to

999
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: a fall, but what is being on the Dallas Mavericks

1000
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: under Mark Cuban? Really? Like people can't understand like nine

1001
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: times that tien when when an owner purchased a team

1002
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: or buys the team, they're they're so wealthy, like the

1003
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: team is a hobby, you know what I mean, it's

1004
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: like a piece of art. Yeah, Like you know, like

1005
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: I got a couple of picassos, I'm gonna get a

1006
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: basketball team. All say, I'm gonna have a basketball team,

1007
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: and have you know I'm gonna have this i'na had,

1008
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,879
Speaker 1: Like I got a Nyland off of Tahiti. How gonna

1009
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: buy the I don't know if the Dallas Cowboys. But

1010
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: like when you have someone that really takes you know,

1011
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: pride and want their fingerprints on the shape shape up

1012
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: of the team and how it's gonna be structured. You know,

1013
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: how they're gonna you know, a bube by certain rules

1014
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: and criteria and the makeup like that's important. And Mark

1015
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: humans the type that connects the fans, the community and

1016
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: everything with the team, and you know he's passionate about it,

1017
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: and it's unpresident in what we see to there. I'm

1018
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna just rattle up a few questions. You played in

1019
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: a few locker rooms for a few organizations. Best locker

1020
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: room that you ever played for? Where he was like, yo,

1021
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: this is dope? Like what was the best facilities that

1022
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: you ever played for? It matters because because when you

1023
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: came into the league, not every team locker room was

1024
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: high tech. The old Madison Square Garden and I'm not

1025
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: talking about the old one before it was revamped. I

1026
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: was in the locker room. Okay, listen. I like the

1027
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: history of it all, but I don't want to be

1028
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: in the same store that Patrick Ewing who's throwing his jockstrap.

1029
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: So I want this place sterilized. Look at Fantastic Now

1030
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: they got a nice in there. It's nice Dallas Mavericks

1031
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: no one from having the nice towels, clippers and the Xbox. Ever,

1032
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: So what was the best facility? Had a few? Man,

1033
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: I played with some great organizations, some great cities. You know,

1034
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: to say which is the worst, you could just say

1035
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: what's the best? Just locker room sort of like like

1036
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: the best craft service, Like, you know, we're getting good

1037
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: meals like this is soope, I feel like a pro. Okay, see,

1038
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, and I'm sure you probably get

1039
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: asked this a lot. You played with Russell Westbrook. He's

1040
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 1: continuing to get triple doubles. He's got more triple doubles.

1041
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: He's got half of his games he has triple doubles

1042
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: this year. Okay, he's going to average a triple double?

1043
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: How hard is it to get a triple double? And

1044
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: just you played with with a younger version of Russell Westbrook,

1045
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: how much better has he gotten? Just just give me

1046
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: your whole Russell Russell Westbrook spiel. So how hard is

1047
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: it to get a triple double? You know, I played,

1048
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: I played years in the NBA. I've three and I

1049
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: consider myself a very very good all around player. Yes,

1050
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, you know eyes like that. I don't know

1051
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: what the ranges, but you can only imagine that those

1052
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: guys probably total to you know, a hundred hundred something,

1053
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Oscar Robinson was the last

1054
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 1: one to average the triple double for a complete season,

1055
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: with forty one for the year. And now you look

1056
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 1: at guys like Russell Westbrooke, James Harden who's almost totally

1057
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: on that on the ninth to night basis. And not

1058
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: only is he doing it, but he's doing it in

1059
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: the in the form in which he's going out there

1060
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: and get thirty points, ten plus rebounds, ten plus assists

1061
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: at the guard position, which he's not the biggest guy,

1062
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: but he's super talented, with a unbelievable motor and with

1063
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: the unbelievable will to win. And what I've known what

1064
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: his development is, it's more centered around him, uh the team,

1065
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: and he's more willing to pass. And once he started

1066
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: doing that pass first and still being aggressive with that

1067
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: motor and with that energy, all the guys have bought

1068
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: into the system. And that's why they're running harder. That's

1069
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: why they running the lanes. They're running faster because they

1070
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: know they got an opportunity. Every time he gets the ball.

1071
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: He's a one man's fast break show. And if you run,

1072
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna find you. But if not, he's gonna do

1073
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: something good. Something's good gonna happen, and he's become must

1074
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: watch television. Does he ever take like what's Russell Westbrook Like,

1075
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that's crazy about watching

1076
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: him as a fan his interviews. He's got the voice

1077
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: of of Walter Payton. I remember when I was a

1078
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: kid and I first heard Walter Payton talk. I was like,

1079
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: he sounds like Michael Jackson, Like he's jumping over people,

1080
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: running through people, punching people. Same thing with Russell. He's

1081
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: the most tenacious player that I think I've ever seen him.

1082
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: We're talking about guys that when I think of just

1083
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: pure Tennessey, Alan Iverson, Latrell Spreewell, you know, even in

1084
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: a different position, Moses Malone. But Russell is just for

1085
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 1: him to do it eighty four ft? Is it eighty

1086
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: four ft and any two ft? See I played the

1087
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: game at excuse me some some feet out of it. Yeah,

1088
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: but he plays you know, he'll grab the rebound and

1089
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: go coast to coast full speed. You know. I mean,

1090
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: is Russell Westbrook like is he just have like a

1091
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: freak stamina? Is it just will there's gotta be I mean,

1092
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: what is this deal? Like, like it is this downtime?

1093
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: Have you ever had coffee with him? Like he can't

1094
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: drink coffee? Russell Westbrook on coffee. Do he do to

1095
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: do he do the Do you do the Mound do? Man?

1096
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: That's you know, Mound do Extreme? Yes? Is that the

1097
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: drink of NBA Champions, That's the drink of the champions

1098
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: and Mount Dew It's got that extra extreme. Don't forget

1099
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: the extreme. You gotta do the Mound do extremes. That's

1100
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: a tip right there. Why you didn't tell me this

1101
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: and I was still trying to make a jump into

1102
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: the league and I didn't know myself. I'll still be

1103
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: out there right, Mound do extremes? Yes, yes, okay, So

1104
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: when you need that Russell Westbrook, Hey man, I'm the

1105
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: plug on his game. It to you Mound do extreme

1106
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: with a good trainer, you in there so so so

1107
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook. I mean in terms of his work ethic.

1108
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: You know, when you were with old kay see and

1109
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: what's his story? What's his deal like when when he's

1110
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: working out when you guys are in practice, is he

1111
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: full tilt? You know what? He works smart and he's

1112
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: extremely crafty. You know when you come in, he's the

1113
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: first person to him and Katie was always the first

1114
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: two individuals at the arena at the practice facility working

1115
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: on their craft, watching film on itself, the game prior

1116
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: chalk talk, and then they go out there on the

1117
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: court and they get their reps in. And what I

1118
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: mean by the reps is they're getting shots on the

1119
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: court and in places where they get shots in the game.

1120
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: And then things that you may see on a pick

1121
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: and roll, like you may see a guy a big

1122
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 1: show of four of a five man that's a power

1123
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: forward or a center. If they show on the pick

1124
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: and roll, the coaches the show sticks in hand out,

1125
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: plucks at the ball. Russell Westbrook, he died at the guy.

1126
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: He retreats and then he attacks the outside lid. So

1127
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: you saw him working on that craft night to night,

1128
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, day to day, practice to practice, and now

1129
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you just see it's like it's effortless. Now you talked

1130
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: about Westbrook and okay, see the one thing I want

1131
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: to double back in the Oscar Robertson of it All

1132
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, nineteen sixty two. Al Right, Karen Butler

1133
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 1: is a very very well respected player, tough, hard nosed athlete.

1134
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty one nineteen sixty two. You'd average thirty five points,

1135
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: twenty assists, twenty rebounds a game, and and and I

1136
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: don't I say this with no disrespect to the great

1137
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: Oscar Robertson, but I've yet to see any highlights of

1138
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: him driveling with his left hand. I feel like comparing

1139
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: what Russell's doing in this era with the athletes, the technology,

1140
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: the analytics, the evolution of man. Now, don't look don't

1141
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 1: look away, Karen, because I want to hear your take

1142
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: on this. In my opinion, do you not so great,

1143
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Brian Scalabrini. They'd be referred they'd be referring to his

1144
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: triple double if he played dead. Okay, Steven Adams would

1145
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: average a triple double. Okay, what do you think about

1146
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: these comparisons to athletes forty years ago. It's no disrespect

1147
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: to Oscar Robertson, It's no disrespect to Bill Russell, who,

1148
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I think that that that story is

1149
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: a great story. He did so much for the game,

1150
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: endored so much. But there's a reason why no one's

1151
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: ever gonna break that record. Okay, he was playing against

1152
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: my uncle Soul. It's about six four pounds. Okay, what

1153
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: what do you what is your take on the the

1154
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: old guys rest it's so it's so hard to compare

1155
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 1: generation they were playing in Chuck Taylor's flying in coach.

1156
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: Some guys in the NBA noted all Stars. They couldn't

1157
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: even make a living playing professional basketball. They had jobs

1158
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: in the off season. I'm very passionate about this because

1159
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: I don't like to take shots at the halet checks

1160
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: that Dave Cowen's even even my knicks guys. You know,

1161
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: but but what what is your take on this whole thing?

1162
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: Like like Oscar Robertson is the benchmark, yet it's no

1163
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: footage of him, no disrespect making a lamp of his

1164
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: left hand. I mean he he is, because he's still

1165
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: the benchmark, because he's the standard, because he's the only

1166
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: guy ever to do it, and in our lifetime. In

1167
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: my lifetime, I've never seen it done, you know what

1168
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean. I've never seen a guy go out at

1169
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: the y m c A and average a triple double

1170
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: in the y m C A League, you know what

1171
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Boys and Girls club league, any league, you

1172
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think it would be hard

1173
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: for me to go out there and play with a

1174
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: bunch of scrubs and do that. It's it's just it's

1175
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: it's not realistic because it's so much. One of the

1176
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: games you may have eight assists or seven assists, so

1177
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: it's it's a hard task to do. So when somebody

1178
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: accomplished something like that, you tip your hat off to him.

1179
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: And then when you talk about some of the older

1180
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: guys and the legends, and you look at the astronomical stats,

1181
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: a hundred points in the game. Again, that happened. Where's

1182
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: the film? Where's this approved of film? All? I know,

1183
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: you know what you can. I could take a picture

1184
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: to say I got a hundred points two and now

1185
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't have to have a problem. I have to

1186
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: prove it. It's one of the great myths of all time,

1187
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: whether or not the great fantastic, fantastic stickman. By the way,

1188
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: his his work is uh is documented. Um but but uh,

1189
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I understand it because in football

1190
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: you can say, you know, Jim Brown played at a

1191
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: different time, uh, and all that stuff. This is the

1192
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: two men. We were getting into all of it, and

1193
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: then some the playoff pictures shaping up right now the Cavs, Celtics, Wizards, Raptors, Hawks, Bucks,

1194
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: and the Pistons and the Heat Now you played for

1195
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: two of my two of my favorite coaching personalities, the

1196
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: great stan Van Gundhi. He's a disciple of who pat

1197
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 1: Riley and his brother Jeff van Gundhi. What did you

1198
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: like about stan Van Gundy who's currently duking it out

1199
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: with Spoulster and the heat who's disciple who had the

1200
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: team first, and Smoke Strew was under him. So it's

1201
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: just good to see the levels and the connections right there.

1202
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: Do you see it the similarities? Like are you surprised

1203
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: by that? Absolutely? In the style. So like you look

1204
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: at those two teams in in the Miami and in

1205
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: the Pistons, Like the Pistons always been a great second

1206
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: half team. And then you know, you look at TIBs

1207
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. You know, Minnesota caught on on the second half,

1208
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: you know, because they're starting to pick up concepts, you know,

1209
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: Cat and those guys, and you know, losing Levine was

1210
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: a huge, but they're starting to pick up the concepts

1211
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: defensively and they're gonna hold They're gonna hold their hat

1212
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: on defensive end, and then the offensive stuff is gonna

1213
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: take care of itself. They're gonna get turnovers and things

1214
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: like that. Protect the paint, create a pace of the

1215
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: game off of that. And that's what the Pistons in

1216
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 1: their heats gonna do every night. They bring their lunch

1217
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: pill they play a certain style, a certain way night

1218
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,959
Speaker 1: in the night out. They got a system. They stick

1219
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: with it, they lose by it, they went by and

1220
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: they everyone's bought into it. And that's why they're gonna

1221
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: be a tough out, you know what I mean. So

1222
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: like with the Bucks and with the Bulls losing to

1223
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: ain't way for the rest of the season. Man speed recovery.

1224
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's wide open for both both

1225
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: of those teams. And the Bucks gotta play really good

1226
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: basketball going forward to stay in the mix because otherwise,

1227
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna see the seventh spot in the

1228
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: a spot field by the Piston and the Heat and

1229
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: the Bucks looking on the outside of the uh outside

1230
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Now, my guy stand Van Gundy always

1231
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: sounds like he's had a rough weekend. It could be Wednesday,

1232
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: and he sounds like, I'm always like, stand, what rock

1233
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: did you crawl out from underneath of? Come on, listen, Karen,

1234
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: I need you to get out there. Ebody up, get

1235
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: a cheeseburger after the game, Coron, right now, I need

1236
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: you to get a couple of rebounds and man down

1237
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 1: on defense. It's the fourth quarter. You go into a huddle.

1238
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: You got this lunatic and it's proven his brother's a

1239
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: lunatic too. I love the Van Gundy brothers. Can you

1240
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: hook this up? I would love nothing more to go

1241
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: on veg ation with the Ryan brothers of the NFL

1242
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 1: and the Van Gundi brothers, and and and like talk

1243
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: about the hangover. I think we could get whacky. Okay,

1244
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: well we can get whacky me Jeff stand Rex and

1245
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: and and and uh what's the what's the uh? The

1246
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: other Ryan brother the one who looks like a rob,

1247
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: the big Lebowski. I mean, when you come into the

1248
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, you're in a tight game, you're playing with

1249
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 1: Stan van Gundi. You do not want to be in

1250
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: that huddle? Is it? Is it hard to keep a

1251
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: straight face sometimes it is. You know, it's the it's

1252
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: the first quarter with stand you know, if you the

1253
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: first quarter he's on you know, some coaches on five.

1254
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: Then because there there's so many of there's so many

1255
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: different emotions in the game, and then you gotta channel

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01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: them because you're dealing with twelve thirteen different personalities, right,

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01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: and then you got the assistant coaches. You got the

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: assistant head, the player development guy boom boom, so you've

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: got three other coaches right there. So you're like you're

1260
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: trying to stay level. But standard is like at twelve

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01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: all the time. Is he a good teacher? Is he

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01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: a good coacher? One of the best coach, one of

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01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 1: the best I've ever seen. Why what is it about it?

1264
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: What is it? What is it a coach need to

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01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: get a professional basketball players attention and respect, you have

1266
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: to have a true understanding of the game, which he has.

1267
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: And you can tell how quick can you tell from

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: the from the things that you tell, the things that

1269
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: he's telling to you, are preaching to you, Like you

1270
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: can spot BS when it's BS, you know, you call it,

1271
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, like you can't sell me that. When I

1272
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: go through that door, it's not another show going on

1273
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 1: and TVs on the wall. I've seen it already, but like, no,

1274
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: it's it's cool, and they're just it's a staircase and

1275
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 1: you walk through and that's it. No, I saw I

1276
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: saw other people in there. No, no, no, no, it's

1277
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: a staircase you just walk through like staning. It's it's

1278
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: a it's a clear picture of what it is, you

1279
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, he's gonna let you know

1280
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: what it is. Look, we play the cash tonight. Lebron's

1281
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: a problem. I don't know. You gotta figure it out.

1282
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: He can do X y Z good. One of the

1283
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: greatest players. This is what it is. You know it's

1284
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. I'm not saying it's gonna be easy.

1285
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: Some coaches may go in there like, hey, we can

1286
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: stop him. They give you that I have a dream speech,

1287
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, let's go do it. Like yeah,

1288
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: come on, man, like be realistic, you know, so stand

1289
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: It's like Karen, I know, Lebron's gonna score for to

1290
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: six points. I don't care about that. I don't want

1291
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: don't get upset about that. Keep your head on the

1292
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: swivel if you get a chance, not come on, is

1293
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 1: this I don't care. Fight fight fight fight. I I

1294
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: need to hang out with stan Van Gundy, man. I

1295
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: want to take him out from meat palls uh and

1296
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: Chinese food. I just want to I just want to

1297
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: see him eat. Now, tell me about the rest of

1298
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: this Piston TV. No, I'm serious, but I want to

1299
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: take him and Jeff out. Those are my guys, Jeff

1300
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: and stan Van Gundy. Man, let's go like I want

1301
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: to take them snowboarding or something. Will you right back here?

1302
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: NBA on tuning until man, we will be right back

1303
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: live from south By Southwest in Austin, Texas. It's the

1304
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: NBA on tune in your home for the NBA Finals.

1305
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: Our Tag Radio is headed to three E three is

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01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: one of the biggest events for gamer tag Radio and

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01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: you don't want to miss this and host Danny Pa,

1308
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 1: Paris Lilly and Peter Toledo direct from the Convention Center floor.

1309
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: What are the plans from Microsoft? We're gonna see morning

1310
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: titles from Sony PlayStation. How about Nintendo interviews, rock tables,

1311
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: discussion previews, hand on impressions and more coverage on gamer

1312
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: tag Radio, gamer tag radio dot Com or played that

1313
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: in Ford slash gamer tag What is the rational? Have you?

1314
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, when you were in your prime, when you

1315
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: were in the thick of it, if you ever would

1316
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: you ever consider sitting out a game if it wasn't

1317
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: an injury thing? You know, you try to play. I

1318
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: mean I've broken my hand toward my labor room, and

1319
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: I still played in games because you know, the thing

1320
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: was back then was you wanted to show that you

1321
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: was borderline of superhero, you know what I mean, That's

1322
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: what you wanted to feel like out there, like you

1323
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:57,480
Speaker 1: wanted to show guys that you was different, you know

1324
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: what I mean from the pack, you know what I mean,

1325
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 1: That's how you got paid. Like now you get paid

1326
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: through analytics. He can run and cut and get fifteen

1327
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: deflections in the half court. That's how you get paid now,

1328
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: Like you're aid didn't come up with these these sheets

1329
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: and these forms, like, but look how many deflections he

1330
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: had on a Sunday in the big game, Like come on,

1331
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: man like, and that's what that that's why you see

1332
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: guys getting these astronomical contracts and and you know, back

1333
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: then we were just like we wanted to play. You

1334
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 1: wanted to be out there. You know, you want to

1335
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: show that you was durable. That if I get hurt,

1336
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: like the fans can rely on seeing me out there

1337
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: on the court, give me my best effort. You look

1338
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: at guys like Alan Iverson and guys like that, you know,

1339
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: he twist his ankle he back on the court, you

1340
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's why he's one of the

1341
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 1: best little big man's of the game in the history

1342
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 1: of the game, because no matter what Alan Iverson was

1343
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 1: out there. You can question his character and decisions that

1344
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 1: he made off the court, but as a basketball player,

1345
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: he was there. He was reliable. You can depend on him.

1346
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 1: He wasn't give you the best of everything he had

1347
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:01,759
Speaker 1: in the tak even if he was running on films.

1348
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: He was gonna give you his heart and soul on

1349
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: the court. When you were you, I mean you just

1350
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 1: you articulated it right there. What what you got? Allen

1351
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: Iverson stories. He didn't seem like he was a talker.

1352
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: Allen Iverson like you know, like the little dudes you know,

1353
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: like to me, when you're that small, first of all,

1354
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of I mean nuts to even

1355
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: think when you're six ft tall, six one a hundred

1356
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: sixty five pounds you're like, yo, I'm gonna be that

1357
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: dude in the NBA, like you're talking about get him

1358
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: as a ted talk talk about different thinkers. We got

1359
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: like Muggsy Bogues five three. You know, Isaiah Thomas, this

1360
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: this version of Isaiah Thomas. These are little guys. But

1361
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 1: Alan Iverson, what do you remember about playing against him?

1362
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: Going against him? Like, is there anything specific that you

1363
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,719
Speaker 1: could tell us about Ai? I mean, he was wired different. Obviously,

1364
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: he was aggressive. He was a guy that you know,

1365
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: always played the game and wars emotions on the sleeve,

1366
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,479
Speaker 1: played with all of his heart. You know. I remember

1367
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: me and in Washington and he came, you know, came

1368
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: to the paint and we had a big line of

1369
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: his meeting myself, uh Antoine Jamison and Brendan Haywood. Brendon's

1370
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 1: seven footer. You know, he slams him, He bangs him,

1371
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: alives and hits the ground. You know, he got he

1372
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: jumps back up and I'm like, I'm like, man, every

1373
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: time he come in here, man knock his ass to

1374
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: the ground. And he looked back at me, he said

1375
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: I'll be back, you know what i mean. Like, and

1376
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: he came back, you know, probably about forty times. You know,

1377
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 1: so it was like he just he different, Like you

1378
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like guys are wired different. Like

1379
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: just because you're gonna bang, like I'm gonna keep coming,

1380
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to do that all night. The four

1381
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 1: other times I see you the rest of the season

1382
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: because we're in the Eastern Conference. Like that. You respect that.

1383
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: That's why when he walks through the hall and everything

1384
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: and in the Hall of Fame, you know, you salute him.

1385
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: You're like, man, he he deserves that. Man that was

1386
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't given. That was he he wasn't afraid of

1387
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: that bump. Yeah, are you like, are you liking doing analysis?

1388
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: Breaking the games down? And I love it. You know

1389
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: it keeps me close to the game. And you know,

1390
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: I have a different point of view obviously playing and

1391
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 1: you know I always looked at the game differently, so

1392
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: you know it's good just to you know, add your

1393
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: perspective and give your perspective. And you know, the players

1394
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: always respected because I've always been a guy that was

1395
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: always honest and real and they respect that. Well, I'm

1396
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: gonna throw some names that you get some some perspective, uh,

1397
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: some insight. Uh. The two men weave is usually me

1398
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: and Kenyan Martin. We have the great Karen Butler uh

1399
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: filling in for him, but Kenyan's out here right now.

1400
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: What was Kenyan Morton like as a player? And Kenyan

1401
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: was a beast for numerous reasons because you know he

1402
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 1: had an edge. Um, obviously he had a motor. He

1403
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: was a great shot blocker, great shot blocker. You know

1404
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: a guy that you know, was very vocal on the

1405
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: defensive end. You know a guy that you can put

1406
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: in any system and he can perform well. He was

1407
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: one of the best athletes of our time, you know

1408
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, you gotta think about it. You

1409
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: look at a guy like Kenyan, you know, Kmart playing

1410
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati, you know, having a leg injury and still

1411
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: being the number one pick and then going on and

1412
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: having a career that he had, you know, just and

1413
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: until this day, I saw Kenyan in and in Woodland

1414
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:18,560
Speaker 1: Hills like last weekend. Still looks the same body and

1415
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: can take off and dunk. And I can't wait to

1416
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: see the Big Three because he's gonna be playing in

1417
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: in and I can't wait to see him out there

1418
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: being physical and banging on them boys. You know him

1419
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: stack all those boys. So it's gonna be fun to watch. Yeah,

1420
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: speaking of the Big Three, like, how are these these

1421
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: guys are not playing around? First of all, you're gonna

1422
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 1: be involved with the Big Three? Are you gonna play?

1423
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be involved, But I'm definitely gonna watch

1424
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 1: the support. I'm definitely gonna watch. I don't expect when

1425
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: you got guys that Kenyan Martin, Stackhouse, Allen Iverson, Like,

1426
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't expect this to be like, uh, some sort

1427
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: of charity match. I expect, dude, like Kenyan Martin only

1428
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: plays one way, Steven Jackson only plays one way. They're

1429
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna play hard, you know, castle go out there and

1430
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, put on a demonstration. You know, like the fans,

1431
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,600
Speaker 1: the fan ants are gonna come, They're gonna show up,

1432
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna support. They want to see, you know, some

1433
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: of their favorite ex players, you know, perform on that

1434
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 1: stage and see if they still got it, you know,

1435
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: like it's it's a it's a lot to say. You know,

1436
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm forty years old and I still can go out

1437
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: there and do some of the things that I once

1438
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 1: did when I was in my early twenties or in

1439
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: the prime of my career, like and to go out

1440
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: there and do that and be capable of doing it,

1441
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, your fans, like your your fan

1442
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 1: base and your following, the people that support you and

1443
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: love you, that got a lot of equity and you

1444
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: as a fan. You know, as you know you want

1445
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: to go out there and perform well in front of them.

1446
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 1: All Right, the next name I'm gonna throw at you

1447
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 1: just just surpassed the thirty thousand point mark. Very well

1448
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: known down here in the big state of Texas, or

1449
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: there's a division San Antonio, Houston Rockets, Best European player

1450
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: all time, Top Hall of Famer two thousand and eleven

1451
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 1: NBA champion, My teammate Dirk What made him so great?

1452
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 1: Give me, give me the details. Don't give me, don't

1453
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: do don't give me the broadshow. Let's get real bad

1454
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: basketball nerd stuff here. Okay, kick run, give it, give

1455
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: it to me, Give me the details, give me the breakdown.

1456
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: Other than what we know about the kickback. You know what,

1457
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: I could do a kickback? Okay, I could do a

1458
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: cand and no, I'm not saying I can make it.

1459
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: But give me, give me something, Give me something. What

1460
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: made this guy so great consistently? How fun was it

1461
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: to watch him? You were injured during that two thousand

1462
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: and eleventh season. How fun was it to watch him

1463
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: crack the Miami heatles real nice, real proper man. Let

1464
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: me tell you so. A seventh or seven footer with

1465
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 1: a jumper. He was the first of his cond I

1466
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: think he changed the game. I think he's the reason

1467
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,679
Speaker 1: why you see a lot of stretched forwards, like everybody

1468
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,799
Speaker 1: like I need to stretch for I need a shooting

1469
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: four or I'm gonna play small. I need to play

1470
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 1: smaller because I need a guy at that fourth position

1471
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: that can guard the four position, but you know, still

1472
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,559
Speaker 1: be versatile in And I think Dirt changed that whole

1473
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 1: dynamic at that position, you know what I mean, like

1474
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: because you can't send a five man at Dirt because

1475
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: the five man are used to being physical and playing

1476
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: on the body, you know, but now you gotta run,

1477
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: you mean, you gotta run from the paint all the

1478
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: way out there and guard the German assassin. And not

1479
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: only that, his his basketball. I'm gonna talk about his

1480
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: work ethic first. You know, every city that we went to,

1481
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: he always reserved, whether it was a high school gym

1482
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 1: or college gym, him Stacy Dion, they always had a

1483
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: spot where he would go and he would get his

1484
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: shots up. Jayson Terry same way and wait, wait you're

1485
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: on the road, and they would find out the team

1486
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: with every city. So he needs to like he would

1487
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: get in the gym, he'd go get his shot. No cameras, no, nothing, no.

1488
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know what he was never about like you

1489
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: know how some people need oh, they go, oh, I didn't.

1490
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: I I did my sell into amount of shots. I

1491
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: gained sixty pounds. Put that out, put it out there

1492
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: in the world, like, you know, to let everyone know

1493
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: that how I lost forty pounds for this role and

1494
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: only eight characters. That's your job, you see the construction

1495
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 1: working on the street sun for fourteen was just not

1496
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: He's that Doug. He pat me on the back, and

1497
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: he took so much and he took so much pride

1498
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: in it. And that's why I respected I respect him

1499
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: so much. He's a superstar that never cared about, you

1500
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 1: know me and the extra of being glorified in that way.

1501
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: It was just he did what he had to do.

1502
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 1: I think Mark Human saw that a long time ago.

1503
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:31,560
Speaker 1: He's a genius. Uh. He gets it, man, he gets it.

1504
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: He understands the game of basketball on the whole another

1505
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: level man, And that's why he's with the greats coach

1506
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle. Obviously Dallas is going through a transition period.

1507
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 1: Now this is a winner keeps a clean cut. What what?

1508
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: What is? What is Coach Carlisle? Like, you know you

1509
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: talked about my man stand Van. I love Coach Carlisle

1510
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: because he has so many different ways and methods of

1511
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: attacking the game. And he's one of the guy that

1512
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,560
Speaker 1: just like a player, right, Like if I go in

1513
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,480
Speaker 1: the game, I can I can realize the adjustments immediately.

1514
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: But from a visual standpoint, like if I'm a fan

1515
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 1: and I'm watching the game on TV, like I may

1516
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: be guarding a guy and I'm like, oh, okay, ship,

1517
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: he's rolling. He got I can't give that or take

1518
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: away this, you know, like I can't do that. The

1519
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,440
Speaker 1: chalk talk was all wrong. I gotta make this adjustment.

1520
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: Rick Carlisle sees it already as well. He's that tune

1521
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 1: in and as a and as a fan, you may

1522
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: not check it out or catch it until the TV highlighted.

1523
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: The TV highlight the situation and show the play where

1524
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: Lebron scores four times in the row going right. All right,

1525
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 1: we need to get on his right, you know. We

1526
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:46,920
Speaker 1: need to send him left. We need to make him

1527
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: go downhill. We need to send the tag guy that's

1528
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: on at the at the box to come over and

1529
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 1: jam them, So he got to give up the ball.

1530
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: We need to send another guy from the top of

1531
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: the key. So the only guy is the week side shooter,

1532
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he's able to make

1533
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: those adjustments that Okay, another name I want to throw

1534
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: at you. You played with him in Sacramento. The big

1535
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,879
Speaker 1: trade of the year. UH has done nothing for anybody.

1536
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 1: It just seems like we were in New Orleans. I

1537
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,840
Speaker 1: was talking to my man Lankston Galloway, the UH, the

1538
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: the Pelicans with two and a half games out at

1539
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: the All Star break and now they they're they're, they're, they're, they're,

1540
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: they're done for the year. DeMarcus Cousins, they call him Boogie.

1541
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: I thought going to the Pelicans he would lose the

1542
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: nickname that I personally gave him, Big Baby Cousins. When

1543
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 1: you see a guy with that much talent and and

1544
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: to me, when you're whining and complaining in your seven

1545
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: foot three pounds, to me, it's unacceptable if you're the biggest,

1546
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: most talented guy on your team. Okay, maybe your rookie year,

1547
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 1: your second year, but to continue to act like and

1548
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: and truly believe that the world and the NBA is

1549
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: out to get you and always complaining, always frowning. He

1550
01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: don't like that bump, he might say, he wants to bump.

1551
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: He don't want that bump, because every time he gets

1552
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: that action, he's winding and complaining. I look at it.

1553
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: I look at it two ways. Right like when you

1554
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: when you when you search for nanny's or babysitters, or

1555
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: you know where you want to leave your kids at,

1556
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: do you do a thorough check or do you leave

1557
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 1: your kids with just anybody? You know what I mean?

1558
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,799
Speaker 1: And that's how I look at some of these prime

1559
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: organizations in the NBA, Like you have to understand stand

1560
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: that these kids come out of nowhere from you know,

1561
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: some sometimes disenfranchised communities. You know, never had real role

1562
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,799
Speaker 1: models of guidance. And now you know, you incorporate millions

1563
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: of dollars in exposure and all these other things, and

1564
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: you put them in systems in situations, and you need

1565
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: to shape them and mold them on how you want

1566
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: them to be and teach them how to be great,

1567
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 1: teach them how to be professional, teach them how to dress,

1568
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 1: t stilling what they need to be doing as professionals.

1569
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think Sacramento took that approach. I don't

1570
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: like if the Marcuts went to San Antonio, you think

1571
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: that would happen with Pop because the pedigree and the

1572
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 1: culture is different, you know what I mean, if you're

1573
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: in the community, I think because of the Admiral and

1574
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,480
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan and all those guys, like they police that organization,

1575
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: they would be like a de Marcuts stop acting like

1576
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,600
Speaker 1: on the court, you know what I mean? Like the

1577
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,439
Speaker 1: people they have equity and pride in that. You know,

1578
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: they like you need a community to raise that situation.

1579
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 1: But you know you tolerated it because you don't know

1580
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 1: no better. So what what? Whatever they let him do,

1581
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: that's what he did. And then now it's going too far.

1582
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: So now you expect them to change all of a

1583
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 1: sudden because he's in a new environment. It's not gonna happen.

1584
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen, Like it's I mean, what the

1585
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, what what does he to do now? Like

1586
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: it's too far gone? He's eight in. I mean, the

1587
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: amount of stories that you have, the amount of players

1588
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: that you have, amount of history that you have playing

1589
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and that's just your your life as

1590
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: a basketball player. You wrote a book, Tough Juice, My

1591
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 1: Journey from the Streets to the NBA, which is now

1592
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: the rights have been bought by Mark Warburg and his company.

1593
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: Mark Warburg is about that produced sorial life. Mark Warburg

1594
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,839
Speaker 1: has his hand and all sorts of stuff. Mark Warburg,

1595
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: you may they used to call him market Mark. They

1596
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 1: should call him money Mark money marking the funky munch

1597
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: because they're they're they're they're counting that that that that

1598
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: paper for real. So your book, the rights are got

1599
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: bought by Mark Warburg's production company and they're actually gonna

1600
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,160
Speaker 1: make it into a film. Did you ever imagine that

1601
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: your life before you made it into the NBA at

1602
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: your lowest low that number, wouldn't you be sitting here

1603
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: with Michael Rapport the NBA and tuning never Because you know,

1604
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: I was a fan of yours too at the time.

1605
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: You know, I told you Zebra Man as I had

1606
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: that on VHS, I said, hey, you get bring it up, Yo,

1607
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: bring some noise. I told him. I was like, Yo,

1608
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 1: b used to watch that movie all the time. You know,

1609
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: that was my goal to and you know now to

1610
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: be sitting here next we vibe and you know we

1611
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: attain entertaining. We're working on the same that work is

1612
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: as unbelievable. Bro. But but but but I appreciate that, Karan.

1613
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: But to go from the adversity that you came up

1614
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 1: against and this is all in your book and and

1615
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: and if you never read and you have, you got

1616
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: your hands on tough juice, my journey from the streets

1617
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: to the NBA. Uh. Where can people find it? Karen?

1618
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: You can go to Amazon dot com, you can go

1619
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: to Barnes and Noble. Did you do the books on tape?

1620
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: I did not do an audio. You got a good,

1621
01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, baritony voice, emotional voice. I said, we get this,

1622
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 1: this puppy of books on tape, and you can't just skip,

1623
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, skip to making it into a movie, a

1624
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: major box office film. And I did paperback in hard copy.

1625
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: It did so well, man, and then it just kind

1626
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: of took the life of his own. And then once

1627
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: you know, me and Mark partnered and it just like

1628
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: I was in a whirlwind. Man. All right. I talked

1629
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: to you yesterday about you know, the sort of you know,

1630
01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: when you were before you transition from just be in

1631
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 1: buck wild, how did you want to you you were

1632
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: incarcerated juvenile detention and then you got out. You you

1633
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: you were focused. How do you go from that and

1634
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 1: the stigma of that being locked down to having scholarship

1635
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:20,000
Speaker 1: offers up to Wazoo to get into Yukon like that?

1636
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 1: Do those see those years seem so sort of fragile.

1637
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 1: How did you just sort of, you know, keep keep

1638
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 1: on the straight and narrow, because you know, I always

1639
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: I had I had praying people around me. You know,

1640
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: my mother and my grandmother was strong in the church. Um.

1641
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: I always was a believer in the book. And you know,

1642
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: no matter what I did in my life or what

1643
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 1: I was doing, always like my foundation was strong, you know,

1644
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: through Christ. So you know, through all my adversities and

1645
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: everything I've done and everything that I was doing at

1646
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: the time. You know, when I started going back to

1647
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 1: my circles, you know, my circles wasn't there, My friends

1648
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,840
Speaker 1: wasn't there no longer, you know what I mean. Andre died,

1649
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: he got killed, you know, man, he got shot. Uh

1650
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, James Barker Jr. He got killed, he got shot.

1651
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. All these things I saw

1652
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: visually and that was my future. I knew that that

1653
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: would be my future. Either I wasn'ta have to kill someone.

1654
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: Someone was gonna kill me in these streets. I wasn't

1655
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: spend the rest of my life in penitentiary, you know,

1656
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: from doing something that I didn't have to do, you

1657
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I had a talent, I

1658
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 1: had a niche, you know, I could play the game

1659
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 1: of basketball. And at this time, you know, we had

1660
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: one pipeline, We had one community center that had access

1661
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 1: to uh Nike, and Nike had a traveling team that

1662
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 1: was taking people out of the community and taking them

1663
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: all across the world and putting them on these platforms

1664
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 1: through the AUTH circuit where college coaches can see you.

1665
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I gotta get us a shot,

1666
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, if I can get

1667
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: on that stage one time and somebody see my talent

1668
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: and see that I'm hungry and to see you know,

1669
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,919
Speaker 1: and I can share my story to a John Thompson,

1670
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:08,559
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, or you know, a Jim

1671
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Calhoun or whatever the case may be, it'll be a

1672
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: game changer for me. And that's that's that was my mindset,

1673
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,880
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. So I went to the

1674
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: Rumble and the Bronx, I went to the Big l

1675
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: A tournament at the time, I went to the Grassroot

1676
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 1: tournament in Georgia. Dominated all of them m vps, and

1677
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: it changed my life forever, you no, man, because I

1678
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: wasn't in that I wasn't in that box no more,

1679
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: you know. So I got exposed to some different things,

1680
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: and then people saw me, and then they gave me

1681
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 1: more opportunities. More windows started to open, more doors started

1682
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 1: to open, and you know, it was it was a

1683
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: rap after that. When when you see these young kids

1684
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: in the NBA on the fringe of blowing it, on

1685
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: the fringe of self destruction, on the fringe of you know,

1686
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: sort of behaving themselves out of the league, on the

1687
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: fringe of taking things too far, on the fringe of

1688
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,799
Speaker 1: possibly even getting, you know, in in real trouble outside

1689
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: of the NBA. Guys like you, guys like Kenyan Morton,

1690
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: are you able to talk to them or when the

1691
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: dudes need to figure it out on the on their own.

1692
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: When you see guys going broke, you know, and and

1693
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: and you know, winding up with nothing like do you

1694
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 1: want to like shake him and scream like you know,

1695
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: like I feel like like a guy like you who

1696
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: did it and who came from so much adversity, and

1697
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, and who's a real dude who standing in

1698
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 1: front of you as opposed to some you know doctor

1699
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: with PhDs. You can tell these kids, yo, this is

1700
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 1: gonna go by quick. You're you can be replaced in

1701
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. You know, you could be out of this league.

1702
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 1: You could be on a highlight reel one season and

1703
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: in two seasons later, you're trying to get ten day contracts,

1704
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, with teams and you're you're not even thirty yet. Well,

1705
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 1: this this this league is a revolving door. And I

1706
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: hate to put it in these terms, but everybody is recyclable.

1707
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 1: And that's the real uh, that's the reality of this game.

1708
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: That's the reality of the business. Uh. I always say

1709
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: that fans are great. They much appreciate it. But the

1710
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: roar of the crowd is not for you as for

1711
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: what you can do, and when you can't do it

1712
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: no more, they'll be cheering for somebody else. That's just

1713
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: the reality of this business. And I don't put my

1714
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: heart in it. I put my heart and things that

1715
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 1: I believe in that I'm passionate about it. My God,

1716
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: my my children, my family, family first and then all

1717
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: the other things fall under that. So like I tell,

1718
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 1: I tell the young guys, like you have you gotta

1719
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: have a foundation. This this is how you gotta believe.

1720
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,680
Speaker 1: Like you can't go into the NBA searching for credibility.

1721
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: Like like you you gotta always be humble, you know

1722
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like don't praise yourself all the time,

1723
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: because like when you praise yourself, you'll be humbled, and

1724
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 1: when you humble yourself, you should be praised. Like that's

1725
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, that's words. So like that's how you gotta

1726
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: go about it. And I think a lot of the

1727
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 1: dudes like they come in it with just some of

1728
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: the and we got some good ones out there, but

1729
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 1: some of the guys, like they get jaded because you know,

1730
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: so much has given to him at a young age

1731
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: and they just need to get humble sometime and get

1732
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: a reality check. Now it sounds like a AU in

1733
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: a way saved your life, Kevin Garnett. You know it's

1734
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: talked about just in terms of basketball terms, you know,

1735
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: the old AAU, But now in terms of guys coming

1736
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:21,719
Speaker 1: into the NBA, we're in the middle of the midst

1737
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: of the NBA, the n c A tournament. We got

1738
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 1: these kids coming in literally eighteen nineteen twenty years old,

1739
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 1: and the Devin Bookers are far and few between. The

1740
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 1: guys that can immediately play in the NBA. Guys are

1741
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: getting drafted now off potential, whereas not even that long ago,

1742
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: you had to be NBA ready to be get to

1743
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: get drafted. I mean, I think that you know, shutting

1744
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 1: down the high school guys. You know, there's pros and concept,

1745
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: but the quality of the league, Well, what is your

1746
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: take on this is? You know, what is your take

1747
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 1: on these guys coming out one and done kids that

1748
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 1: that yeah, you get drafted your three year project. Some

1749
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: some guys are deserving. And then I totally agree with

1750
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett because the old and you was what I

1751
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: come from, and that was the cream of the crop.

1752
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: So like if you was in if you was in

1753
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: these circuits, if you was playing on these platforms or

1754
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: under a certain team, like it was it was three

1755
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: teams out of Chicago, maybe two, it was one team

1756
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: out of Wisconsin, it was one team out of whatever,

1757
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 1: it was three teams out of New York. That was

1758
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: just like if you came from you know, a church.

1759
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 1: It was just it was the three teams, you know,

1760
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't now you know, so like you see you

1761
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: you see teams now where a coach is a dad.

1762
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,560
Speaker 1: You know, he got his kid and he put his

1763
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 1: kid with a program, and he didn't like the way

1764
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: because he feels his kid is the next steph Curry,

1765
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he can dribble two

1766
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 1: balls through the cones, so he know that my kid

1767
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: is the next step. Curry. So I'm gonna because I

1768
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 1: make a good living, I'm gonna coach my kids. It

1769
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna start a team and all the kids

1770
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: on this block gonna play on my team. And we

1771
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:07,640
Speaker 1: don't have an AU program. So now you've got a

1772
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: hundred people thinking like that and doing that, and it's

1773
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: watering down the system. So now the skill sets not

1774
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 1: the same. And then now guys come in, you know,

1775
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: with water down skills and yeah, and then then you

1776
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 1: play them in the hands of you know, the colleges,

1777
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: and then you know, people lay their eyes on them

1778
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 1: and they see the potential. So then they get drafted

1779
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: early with all these expectations, and then they go into

1780
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: a real grown man world where everything is this politics,

1781
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: sharks in the water, you know, everything, Like the business

1782
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: of basketball is brutal. And if you place a kid

1783
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: and insert a kid in there without knowing the unknowns

1784
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: of the game, like the real unknowns, like it's the

1785
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: game is unbelievable. It could take you to places where

1786
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: you've never been. It's great, but it's a lot of

1787
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 1: unknowns and they could be damaging. So if you put

1788
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: a kid in that, you know, it could swallow. So

1789
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,839
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a freshman. I'm gonna be a top five recruit.

1790
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: I see you, Karen, I'm like, Yo, what up? O G. Listen,

1791
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,040
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna get drafted by one of these

1792
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 1: these bumbass teams. You know they're gonna pick me? Like

1793
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: what what? What's your What sh'all be thinking about? O G?

1794
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: What's what? What? What shall be paying attention to? I

1795
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 1: see you? I'm like that, What do you say to me?

1796
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 1: What's that? What's up? What's the first thing that comes

1797
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,680
Speaker 1: to your mind? If a young player says, Karen, Man,

1798
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm about to go into the league, what

1799
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 1: do you got from me? Give me, give me, give me,

1800
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:31,760
Speaker 1: give me your best tip. You know, I always you

1801
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: know telecat. Look man, first of all, what are like,

1802
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,720
Speaker 1: what are you trying to do besides the game of basketball.

1803
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: You gotta go in there with that mindset because, as

1804
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 1: we touched on, a basketball season is a hundred and

1805
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: forty days. A great NBA career is fourteen hundred days.

1806
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 1: Four hundred days is a really really good NBA career,

1807
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I tap into that,

1808
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: I'd be like, look man, you know I'm like, yo,

1809
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: give me something beat, Like, tell me something beat. Work

1810
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: on your skill set, work on your craft obviously, have

1811
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: a have have an endgame, like doing the next thing,

1812
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,560
Speaker 1: like do you want to like what what else do

1813
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: you want to do? You want to go in the radio?

1814
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,480
Speaker 1: Do you want to go into television? You know, make connections,

1815
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: you know your images everything, you know, stay things to

1816
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: stay away from, you know what I mean. Always be

1817
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: consistently trying to get better. You know what I'm saying.

1818
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Stay go oriented, you know what I mean. And you know,

1819
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: hit yourself, you know to people that done it before.

1820
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 1: You know, like you need a mentor that' been in

1821
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: this game that understands the end and out like don't

1822
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 1: go out there and learn from trial and error. Like

1823
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 1: some things you're gonna have to from a playing standpoint,

1824
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 1: but like this in a real world standpoint, Man, get

1825
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: with somebody that understand it, that learned, like that's a

1826
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: betterness and get under them. That's good stuff. Kary. We

1827
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 1: talked about these young guys off Fair. We were talking

1828
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: about this U c L. A game you followed, you

1829
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: follow the college game. Who's the most impressive guy coming

1830
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 1: out of the draft this year. Who's gonna be a

1831
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: guy that could go into the NBA next year? Markale? Folks,

1832
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: why just because like you look at games like like

1833
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,840
Speaker 1: I always look at I always look at college guys

1834
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know what you know the ball kid

1835
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: to do? You know on the next level. Yet you know,

1836
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I hear more about his father than I hear anything,

1837
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 1: So like I don't know if he'll come and make

1838
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,479
Speaker 1: the splash that he needs to make. I don't know

1839
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: what anyone to be. Like you look at a guy

1840
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: like Hui literarly, we never knew he would be a superstar,

1841
01:33:44,040 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Two way player, and now

1842
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,560
Speaker 1: he's the NBA Finals MVP and he's a superstar in

1843
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: the game. So I look at folks, and I see

1844
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 1: him like he possessed things that you can't teach. He's

1845
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 1: extremely crafty with the ball. He got a little bit

1846
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 1: of ky Re in them. You see a little bit

1847
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,879
Speaker 1: of James Harden. Uh. He got a knack for scoring

1848
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 1: left lefty. I mean, he does all those things, you know.

1849
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: So like I just think like it's gonna be an

1850
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: easy transition for him to the pro game. Malik Monk,

1851
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,559
Speaker 1: this is a kid who I think is a talent,

1852
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: but but just his physicality, his size, I don't think

1853
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: Malik Monk needs to go into the NBA, not that

1854
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,439
Speaker 1: John Calipari is in saying going to the NBA, going

1855
01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: to the NBA, because I feel like John Calipari is

1856
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 1: is truly running a one and done system. Derek Smith Jr.

1857
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 1: And C Stayed He's a tough player, gritty player. What

1858
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: do you think of these two guys? And I mean

1859
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: and and with any of these coaches even try to

1860
01:34:42,400 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: convince kids to stay longer than uh than they planned? Uh,

1861
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 1: probably not because it's hard to you know, with the

1862
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: with the pay scale and things like that, and where

1863
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,559
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be projected, particularly Malik Monk and Derek Smith.

1864
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: You can't tell a kid that's gonna make you know,

1865
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 1: five million a year for the next three years and

1866
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 1: with the you know potential with the new cb A,

1867
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: you know, after two years, you're talking about getting max dollars,

1868
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about being two million dollar guy. I mean,

1869
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:14,920
Speaker 1: you can't tell a guy to you know, stay in school,

1870
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: like they're gonna look at you like like for what,

1871
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 1: like you know why, Like you gotta tell me, like,

1872
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: what's that incentive besides getting that paperwork that allasts me

1873
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,439
Speaker 1: a lifetime? You know? So if I say we'll stay

1874
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 1: in there, I want to help work on your footwork

1875
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: so when you get in the league you'll be ready.

1876
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,439
Speaker 1: Can I do that in the NBA? Well, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying in the NBA, you're not gonna have me here.

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Speaker 1: I care about your footwork and your drop step. You're

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Speaker 1: not NBA ready. Two years have developed, and I'm getting

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars guaranteed. All right, if you wind up

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Speaker 1: in a Portugal playing basketball, don't come back crying to me.

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Speaker 1: Listen coming to the end here, it's a two man

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Speaker 1: We've This has been fantastic always brother, I'd love to

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Speaker 1: see you again on the two man we've who's going

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Speaker 1: to win the finals? You got three seconds. You give

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Speaker 1: the final. Listen, we are going to be rocking with you,

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Speaker 1: NBA on tune in the Two Man We've Karan has

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Speaker 1: this show five days a week. It's been a pleasure

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Speaker 1: being down here in Austin, Texas. Thanks for having it

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Speaker 1: to be easy, Tiger. The chocolate chip cookies are fantastic,

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Speaker 1: and try to feel try the pork chops karate. Thanks

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Speaker 1: going safe flight and join the weekend NBA or tun

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Speaker 1: a while I appreciate. I've been listening to Two Man

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Speaker 1: Leave with Michael Rappaport and Karan Butler live from south

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