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This is something that came organically. 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.480 So if you're a football fan, obviously you know who 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.720 Bobby Wagner is. I just found out actually has a 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.359 ninety one percent chance to be a I. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.160 Think he just found out found out to. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.280 Ninety one percent chance to be a first ballot Hall 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.240 of Famer. Nine years in the league, Troy, you run 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:38.840 down on the status. 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.359 Nine years in the league, seven time pro bowler, six 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:43.760 time All Pro, five years consecutively all pro. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.160 UH rating Matter ninety nine. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.920 That's probably the most impressive thing of all time. Ninety 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.639 nine rating every man. That's extremely rare. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:53.960 And we got to talk to the people that he gave. 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.680 They started doing to the change after So either Bobby's 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.160 gonna have to do it again or they're gonna have 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.359 to be in Burston for the time. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:01.800 Yeah, we can do both. 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.680 So he's a ninety nine rating and Matter perfect player. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.840 But even more impressive is what he's doing off the court, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.600 off the field. So he's as a venture capital company, 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:16.200 he's an angel investor, he interned at Microsoft Forbes thirty 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:21.080 under thirty, and he represents himself big time. So this 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:22.880 is a this is going to be a dope conversation. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:24.840 So first and foremost, thank you for joining us. Appreciate it. 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:25.560 YEA, I appreciate you. 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:25.800 Man. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.480 I've been watching you'all for a minute, man, and it's 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.120 cool to be on the show, be a part of 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:32.600 this and excited to have a conversation with you guys. 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:33.720 Let's do it. Let's do it. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.560 So let's talk about this financial literacy situation. So you're 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:40.720 playing for Seattle. You played for Seattle your whole career, right, Arguably, 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.160 this is the greatest player that's ever played for Seattle, right. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.720 Yeah, I told you it's you and Russ both y'all 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:48.320 the statue. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:49.560 I'm good with that. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.840 So you're playing for Seattle, and anybody knows Seattle. You know, 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.760 one of the biggest things that ever come out of Seattle, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.720 probably the biggest thing is Microsoft. So you in turn 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.600 at Microsoft talk about that. 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.080 Seattle was kind of doing this thing where they were 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.840 offering like different internships within the city and Microsoft just 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.840 so happened to be one. And you know, out of 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.640 all of the ones that I got to choose from, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.360 I chose Microsoft because you know, you know, for obvious reasons, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.040 and I just felt like I was gonna grow more, 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.279 learn more there. So I went and I did an 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:31.120 intern there, and crazy enough, we was all sitting in 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.080 the middle of the lobby. We were all in the lobby, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:38.800 chilling the lobby, and we're waiting for the CFO to 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:43.440 come down to talk to us. And I'm not really 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.840 familiar with everybody that works in and out of Microsoft 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.919 at this time. I think it's like two thousand and fifteen. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.920 I don't forgot when it was. And you know, I'm 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.000 talking to this lady and we having like a crazy conversation. 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.560 We're talking about all types of stuff, and she's like, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.479 man like, so what was everybody waiting for? And I'm like, yeah, 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.240 we're waiting for the CFO to come and come and 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:08.840 talk to us. She's like, Okay, well, I guess we 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:10.720 should get this started. And she like backside of our 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.000 conversation and says, hey, everybody, like, welcome to the internship. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.320 And I'm like, I've been talking to her for like 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.880 thirty minutes. I had no idea she have an idea 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.040 who you are? I mean, maybe I don't know. I'm 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:25.520 assuming so she was the CFO. CFO, yeah, name is 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.920 Amy Hood, and well. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:28.640 I just little unpacked out a little bit. You never 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:30.000 know who you're talking to. So you were talking to 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.240 somebody and you told them waiting for the CFO to come, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.920 and she just played along with it. Yeah, she's just 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.600 she's yeah, she knew who Yeah she was she was 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:39.440 thing bad about the CFO. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.919 Yeah. It was crazy because it was just like, you know, 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.320 that's what you'll wait for. Okay, let's let's start it off. Thing. 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.719 I'm interested even further because how many people, especially rookies 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.600 at the time, this is like your first first. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.000 Year, second Oh no, this was like my third year, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:54.840 I think, so even that. 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.120 Like, how many people who are now full fledged because 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.279 you were ready, I won the Super Bowl? 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.160 Yeah, in your third year are willing to. 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.920 Even take an internship? Right? How many you said that 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.440 Seattle had some choices, but how many of your teammates 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:07.560 took advantage of that? 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.200 I would say for most of the league, not many. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.960 But our team was different. We was all into different things. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.040 And if you look at like the things that we've accomplished, 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:22.080 you had multiple guys from that team negotiate their own contract. 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:29.799 Mike Bennett was a number one selling offer, Cliff Averril 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.520 done amazing things. Cam you know, has his own clothing line. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.559 So we were you could just tell like our group 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.240 was different, like we thought different and so like from 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:42.200 the league perspective, it was not many, but from our team, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.280 we was always interested in doing something like we wanted 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.599 to be great athletes, great players. We wanted to be 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.840 bigger than just you know, just good players. We wanted 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.279 to be able to do something that was going to 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.640 impact the city that we came from, in the city 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:56.160 that we was in. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:59.400 So what did you learn in Microsoft and how did 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.440 that help you in your in your career business. 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:05.240 I think the biggest thing that I learned was just 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.760 I learned the ins and outs. You know, I learned 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:13.920 a lot. I did the financing part, so they offered, 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:18.560 like you can learn about gaming financing certain things. So 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.240 I went to the financial world. So I just sat 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.880 there and watched them do numbers all day, and it 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:26.800 was it was crazy because I was just like, you 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.080 never know how much that they got going on, because 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:33.680 they got to control every single entity within the whole thing, 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.640 like x from Xbox to Microsoft, Word to everything. So 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.400 I got to to learn about that. And really the 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.240 biggest thing that came from that was, you know, I 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.440 developed an amazing relationship with Amy, and you know, we're 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.600 now like close friends and she's helped me a lot, 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.000 opened a lot of doors for me, you know, talk 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.640 to me a lot about what she does on a 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.320 day to day basis. And you know, so the biggest thing, 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:01.760 I think, outside of what I learned in the finances 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.560 was the relationships that I've developed while I was there. 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.360 Steve Boma was the CEO at that time. Did you 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:07.560 ever run into. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.200 I actually did connect with him, but I connected with him. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:13.600 He wasn't there when I was there, but I connected 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:16.040 with him later. Because you know, when I start telling 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:18.280 people I wanted to do my contract, they started connecting 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.680 me with different people because I wanted a different perspectives. 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.760 I didn't just want agent perspective, players perspective. I wanted 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.400 people who who had you know, ownership and teams and 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.840 things like that. I wanted to see, like what they 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.120 thought about players or what they were looking for when 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.720 a player came in and negotiate his own contract. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:35.560 Yeah. So twenty twelve was your rookie year. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:35.920 Yep. 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.520 But there was a trip to Silicon Valley that kind 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.320 of changed it. Perspective. Always were interested in the business aspect. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.720 I believe your wealth manager took you to yeah, Silicon 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:46.839 to see what this is all about. 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:48.839 Yeah, so experience. Yeah, so I didn't even know what 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.880 Silicon Valley was until until that trip. Like I knew, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.280 I heard, I knew like San Francisco was the area, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.040 but I didn't know about Silicon Valley. So he took 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.960 me down. He took me down on the trip probably 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.480 like two thousand and thirteen or fourteen, and we just 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:09.000 toured like all different types of startups. A couple of 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.880 startups we toured was an Instacart, we saw them pretty early, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:19.120 and we toured another company called, uh it was I 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.160 forgot what the company name was, but I ended up 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:23.400 investing in that company. But you know, we didn't win 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:27.000 on that one. But you know, so I just started 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.320 to get exposed into, like, you know, certain things. And 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.360 that's when I realized the term, like what the term 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.360 was angel investor was. I didn't even know what that 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.559 was either. And so I'm like, all right, now I'm 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.600 getting exposed into two different things. Find out what you know. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.160 I sat with different vcs while I was out there, 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.160 just you know, asking questions. I sat with different investors 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.240 while I was down there, and then so it just 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:53.240 kind of opened me up to this whole world that 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.560 I hadn't nothing. I knew nothing about and so once 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:58.360 I got exposed to that, then I just try to 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.400 you know, see how much I give hands on. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.480 So I want to talk about this VC situation, but 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.319 let's talk about football for a little bit, as far 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.760 as you represent yourself, if I'm not mistaken, right, Yeah, 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.120 So like, let's let's talk about this. You came in 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.319 the league, you had an agent. At some point, I'm 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.080 assuming you fired your agent and you decided to be 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:19.760 your own agent. 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.480 Yep. Why did you do that? 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.560 And what was the process of negotiating your You're the 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:29.400 highest paid inside linebacker in NFL history yep. Fifty four 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:32.200 million dollars yep. Three years, three years, three years, twenty 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.040 four guarantee, not bad. 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:39.040 Forty guaranteed, forty guaranteed, Yeah, twenty four as signing. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:40.360 You negotiated that contract? 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:40.680 I did. 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.200 Congratulations, Thank you, appreciate it. And you're almost done. You 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.080 next year, you'll finish that. Yeah, I got after this year. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.720 I have one year left and typically if the team 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.520 was to keep you there, you know, extend you. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.800 Now we're going for the message. Yeah, I don't play yourself. 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:56.040 Don't play it. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.360 So wrgeous and you so, and God willing everything works 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.240 out this year you and get all your money, Yeah, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.040 all of it. So talk about negotiating your contract and 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:07.840 why you decided to let your agent go and become 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:08.520 your own agent. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.640 I just think it was a process, you know what 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.199 I mean. I think when I first came into when 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.720 I was a rookie, I actually had a couple of agents, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.560 you know. I think, you know, I had let my 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:24.600 my original agent go, like probably like either midway through 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.480 my rookie year or right after my rookie year, and 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.360 I just was looking for something. I look, I was 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.800 looking for someone who's gonna keep their word. I was 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.120 trying to figure that out. But then in the process 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.760 of figuring that out, I started to realize I was like, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.440 this is something that kind of mimicked or was kind 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.400 of like in the same way where I was at, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.800 like wanted to be in business and I just wanted 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:52.960 to have a seat at the table. And I knew 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.280 I wasn't gonna be able to do that having an agent, 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.400 like they would let me in the room. But I knew, 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.720 like once I walked away, I knew there was gonna 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.400 be conra sestions that was going to be had that 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.319 I wasn't going to be involved in, and so I 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.080 wanted to make sure I eliminated all that. So I 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.959 wanted them to talk to me directly. I wanted to 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.400 do it for myself, and you know, really I felt 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:18.600 like it was going to to spark my my way 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.760 through business. And you know, I felt like if I 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.160 wasn't willing to take a chance on myself with my contract, 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.640 then I wouldn't be able to take a chance in 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.240 the real world. And so, you know, I just started learning. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:32.360 Literally right after I signed my my second deal, you know, 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.240 I grabbed the CBA and I read it. Read the CBA. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.920 Then I started reading different negotiation books. I started reading, 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.119 looking at every linebacker contract, looking at all the contracts 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.360 that to see I had done over the last ten 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.560 years since Pete Carroll had been there, And you know, 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.240 I just started learning. And so you know, I knew 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.000 it was coming, and you know, once it was my 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.920 time to negotiat my deal, I you know, I was ready. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:02.839 And you know, I think I'm surprised them when I 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:06.160 walk into the room because I think they they didn't 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.360 think I had put this much thought into it. So 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.160 I don't think they knew. I knew what I was 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:11.800 supposed to know. 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.920 What was that feeling like when obviously most people say 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:18.640 represent yourself, represent yourself, but now you're negotiating on your 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.199 own behalf and the team might feel like you're worth 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.560 a different value than what you were thinking. What are 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.959 those conversations, like, what's your thought process when we're going 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:27.240 through that. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:29.559 I think the biggest thing is you got to put 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.079 your emotions. You know, you got to put your emotions 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.640 behind you, like business is not emotional, and so I 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:38.640 think that was their biggest fear, was not being able 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.160 to say how they truly felt and they because they 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:42.559 was going to piss me off or something like that. 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.720 So like one of the first means we had I 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.240 was like, look like we all grow men, and so 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.720 you know, I want you to treat this negotiation like 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.319 it was an agent. So you got something that you 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.720 got something that you feel I can't do or you 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.000 want to say, say it like, don't sugarcoat anything, like 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.960 we all grown men. At the end of the day, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:01.760 I got respect for you. I felt like y'all got 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.600 respect for me. So you know, if there's two lines 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:06.960 of respect and we can get something done, in a 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.920 respectful way, and I wasn't really into the whole negotiation 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.800 through the media, so I was like, I'm not trying 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.240 to y'all. Don't take no shot at me in the media. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:16.760 I'm not gonna take no shot at you guys in 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.400 the media, and we can get this thing done real quiet, 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.640 and it could be big. It could be something that can, 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:27.320 you know, hopefully spark interest of players. And you know, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:28.920 it was cool. I mean, they told me how they felt. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.080 I told them how I felt. I had numbers to 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.200 back up why I felt I was deserving of what 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.560 I was asking for, and they had stuff that they had, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.960 and it was genuine conversations. And obviously it was some 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.240 moments where I felt like I was winning, and then 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.240 there was some moments where I felt like I got 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.040 to go back to the drawing board. But ultimately we 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.280 ended up where we was at and got it done. 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.800 Were you originally thinking based on your performance? Obviously, I 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.160 don't know how many linebackers can match your stats. You're 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:56.920 thinking I need to be the highest guy. Was that 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:57.720 one of the things. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.000 Well, I was, you know, a run in the league. 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:01.800 You know, you consider the best, So I want to 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:05.640 be paid top dollars. So you know, if around the 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.240 league you consider the best, I think you your pay 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.360 shit should mimic that or mirror that. So that was it. 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.200 That's how I approached it. Shout out to Brandon Copeland. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.560 We interviewed him a while ago and he kind of 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.960 broke down NFL contracts for us. It's very complicated situations 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.359 where it's like most of the money is not guaranteed, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:28.280 and you have signing bonus, and you have incentives built 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.480 in if you make it to like the Pro Bowl. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.680 So can you kind of explain that because the average 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.360 I feel like the average fan just watches it and 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.520 they hey, okay, he got a fifty million dollar contract. 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.360 He had fifty million dollars, a lot of money. There's 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:43.840 a lot of moving part and you being an agent, now, well, first, 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:45.320 did you have to get licensed to be an agent 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.560 or no, you're a player. You just represent yourself? YEA, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.480 represent yourself. So can you break that down as far 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.800 as like some of the terms, like the signing bonus, 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:54.800 what's guaranteed, what's not guaranteed, stuff like that. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.920 So I definitely feel like the NFL contract is probably 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.160 one of the most complicated contracts because you know, I 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.840 feel like in every other league, I don't I'm not, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.160 I don't know for sure, but every other league, what 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.480 you see is what you get. So if somebody signs 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.840 for X amount of years for one hundred million dollars, 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:14.920 they don't get that over whatever life of the deal. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.560 But with the league, you know, with the NFL, it's 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.520 all fluff. So you kind of like you see the 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.120 contract the initial numbers, then you got to see what 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:29.400 the actual numbers are. And so somebody can sign for 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:35.760 fifty million dollars for forty guaranteed, but the at signing 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.000 is really the real number. Like that's what you're walking 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.080 away with if they decide to walk away from you. 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.520 So if you get if it's like twenty four million 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.560 dollars at signing bonus when you if they was to 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.880 walk away from you, that's what you get, you know 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.840 what I mean. Everything else you have to hit certain things. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:54.400 So there's all different type of things in the contract. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.360 Like you said, signing bonus, your signing bonus is a 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:01.680 part of it. You know, you have different per games, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.720 different incentives. So one of the things in my deal, 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:11.840 you know, I had like roster bonuses that roster bonuses 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:16.200 is basically like what they give you they like basically 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.320 it's a way to kind of for the team to 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.679 kind of stretch their money over the signing bonus or 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.920 stretch their money over the the cap. So a certain 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.879 amount of money that you get for being on the 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:27.680 team each year. So I was when I. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.159 Was looking at your sports track, I know, because you 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.400 said you use that when you were looking at everybody's contract, 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.480 I saw amount of plays and so even part of 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:36.240 that that game thing is there as certain amount of 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.680 snaps you have to be in the game for it 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:38.640 to count in the contract. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:42.399 Yeah, there's there's certain there's certain guys where it's like 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.159 you got to play ninety percent of your snaps or 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.960 eighty percent of your snaps, or you know, you see 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.360 towards the end of the season, these guys get these 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:55.520 huge bonuses where you know, if you get nine ten sacks, 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:57.640 then you get an extra two fifty. So you see 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.360 the guys like you know, normally you see a guy 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:04.159 like not play the last game when they don't need 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.119 in the playoffs, but he'll play that game so he 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.960 can get that extra two fifty. So they can come 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.520 up with all different types of ways to put the 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:16.240 the bonuses in there. So it really just depends on 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.240 the team how they structure the team, because no team 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.280 structures deals the same, so you really got to study, 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.040 you know, the team and the person who's the way 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.159 they do the contracts because you could be asking for 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.000 something that they haven't given in like twenty years or 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.199 ten years or whatever. So you know, I knew it. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:36.320 It was kind of like easier for me because I 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.280 knew who I was going up against or I knew 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:40.960 who I was negotiating with. But if I was a 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.280 free agent, it'll have been different because you have to 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.800 know each person on each team and how they structure 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.160 each deal. How was it. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:53.879 It's interesting because we spoke to Brandon. He was he 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.400 got cut a few times. 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:55.480 Like he was. 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:57.240 I don't know if he got did he get drafted. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:00.520 I think he got drafted his past that was different 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:01.720 than your pinions. You know what I'm saying. 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:04.840 It's like he was probably the average player. It goes 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.080