1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the new I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Coast Adium Paranormal Podcast Network. Like us on Facebook, tell 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: your friends and sure us with everyone. This is an 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: exciting new network that will feature podcasts on the paranormal, supernatural, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Now please enjoy the Darker Side of 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Life with Heidi Hollis. You are listening to the Darker 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: Side of Life with me, Heidi Hollis on the I 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. I feel it's time that we 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: all bring all of our mysteries to the forefront, out 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: from our paranormal closets, from the darker side of right 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: to help move us all into the light. So this 13 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: is the show where each week you each get to 14 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: share your personal experiences and I hope to be able 15 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: to give you some advice and insight on everything from 16 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: angels to aliens and of course my specialty of shadow 17 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: people and hat man since I am that person that 18 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: found them, defined them, and presented them to the world. 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: I've been researching, writing, and looking into a variety of 20 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: odd mysteries for a very long time. Because I'm also 21 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: someone who has been there, seen that experienced it for 22 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: freaked out, found some answers, got over it, and now 23 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm hoping to help others do the same thing. So 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 1: I welcome you the listener to send in your experiences, 25 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: your comments, whatever it is from any topic, and I 26 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: will address it here on the show. Just go to 27 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com and 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: submit your stories there. At the bottom half of this podcast, 29 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: I will be interviewing author Maureen Sieberg, who specializes in 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: the senses and synesthesia. But first I'd like to get 31 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: to some of your fascinating emails that have been sent 32 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: in to share on your experiences seeking some insight. First off, 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: as an email that starts off with Dear Heidi, my 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: fifteen year old daughter recently was attacked physically. She was choked. 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: She told me this was done by something that she 36 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: calls a black shadow. She now tells me that she 37 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: has seen this black shadow for as long as she 38 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: can remember, from a little girl onward. So I saged 39 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: my house recently. I actually sage my house from time 40 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: to time because it seems to lift the energy up 41 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: at home. It also seems to help lift up myself 42 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: and my daughter's spirit because we are very sensitive. Since 43 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: I am desperate to protect her, I have been researching 44 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: on how best to deal with what's happening. I'm extremely 45 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: worried now that I've read about how dangerous shadow people are. 46 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: Can you help? If not, who should I go to? 47 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: Can I get rid of whatever this thing is? My 48 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: daughter is vulnerable, she has Tourette syndrome and deals with 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: chronic pain. She does not need this. Thank you, Kelly. Wow, Kelly, 50 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: I am so sorry that you and you're fifteen year 51 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: old are having to deal with anything like this out 52 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, Believe it or not. I do get 53 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people who have these types of reports 54 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: where they've been dealing with something like this for a 55 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: very long time, but they don't really reach out or 56 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: say much of anything to anyone until it reaches this 57 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: level where it has had physical contact to the point 58 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: of causing strangulation, bruising, or other forms of abuse. For 59 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: your daughter to just be fifteen years old and to 60 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: have such fresh memories of this going on from a 61 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: little girl forward, it's disheartening for me to hear because 62 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: when I hear of such a thing, I think of 63 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: how deeply ingrained. This thing must be somehow attached to her. 64 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: It's not always clear to figure out how or why. 65 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: But you said she's vulnerable. If anybody knows a mom knows, 66 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: and he said that she has Tourette's deals with chronic pain, 67 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: that is a way for these things to dig in 68 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: and take shape. When somebody gets down about having chronic 69 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: pain or having something like Tourette's syndrome. A lot of 70 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: people who have anything like that going on, they're down 71 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: on themselves. They feel isolated, they feel that nobody can 72 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: relate to what it is they're experiencing, and a lot 73 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: of that self doubt creeping in and dealing with such 74 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: a thing. These dark things see an opportunity and they 75 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: really try to take advantage. Now you asked who you 76 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: should go to. Me being Christian, I do suggest that 77 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: people go to seek shelter and advice from those who 78 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: are part of their clergy. And if that's not an option, 79 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: which oftentimes a lot of people don't belong to churches 80 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: or don't belong to a religious institution, but they have 81 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: their beliefs on their own, I also suggest to go 82 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: about blessing your home, uh not with sage that practice 83 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: is something unless it's a part of your religious beliefs, 84 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: than by all means, But if it's not, I haven't 85 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: found it to be as effective for people only if 86 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: it is truly ingrained in what it is that you 87 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: practice regularly. I also suggest that you sit and you 88 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: talk to your daughter in depth about what has happened 89 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: during these different times in her childhood when she's experienced 90 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: this type of infiltration, not the choking, but just the 91 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: presence of it. And then sometimes people can break down 92 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: what exactly was going on at the time and how 93 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: best to address when she does get into these situations 94 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: when she is feeling a certain way, that she can 95 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: address it accordingly so as not to be vulnerable to 96 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: these attacks. Now, to bless your home, I say, be 97 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: very methodical about it, going corner to corner and doing 98 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: the blessing of your belief And it's always been something 99 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: that is helpful to myself and to many others that 100 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: I've helped over the years. I would also recommend that 101 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: you seek counseling for your daughter dealing with chronic pain 102 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: and the syndrome that she has to see if addressing 103 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 1: these things makes her less vulnerable, makes her feel less 104 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: down about her situation and hopes of finding a remedy. 105 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: I hope that was helpful. The next email states, dear Heidie, 106 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: please call me if you have an opportunity. I am 107 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: in need of some validation and you appear to be 108 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: the expert on the subject of hat man. Yep, I 109 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: just came across your work and discovered that I was 110 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: not alone. Unfortunately, I've been aware of this individual for 111 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: several years to this day. I hold the encounter to 112 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: be the most traumatic moment of my life by far, 113 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: and have only shared my experience with my mother. I 114 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: keep it quiet not only to avoid being labeled as nuts, 115 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: but because I still experienced the sensation of terror to 116 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: even think about the encounter. I can and will share 117 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: my full story. I'm just looking for corroboration through details 118 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: you might have. Cooper Well, Cooper, believe it or not, 119 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: I wish I could call everyone. I do get a 120 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: lot of people asking if I can hop on the 121 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: call with them. And the cool thing about this new 122 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: show is I welcome you, Cooper and listeners to join 123 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: me live here on the show Well podcast recording live 124 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: so we can interact and hear what's going on with 125 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: your story and try to break it down and see 126 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: what it is that's happening, or if you feel more comfortable, 127 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: emails are always welcomed and I'll read them off here 128 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: on the show. But subject of hat Man being an 129 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: expert on it, it is something that I stumbled across 130 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Cooper that I never thought this would be something I 131 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: was introducing to the world. So yeah, it is something 132 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: that is truly ingrained in everything that I put forward. 133 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: No matter what it is I write upon, people seem 134 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: to go back to shadow People and hat Man being 135 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: my big discoveries, and of course, yes it is, but 136 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: I do have other books. I do cover other subjects. Uh. So, 137 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: you've been aware of this individual for years, and I 138 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: have to tell you I cannot You just cannot imagine 139 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: how often people write me saying they had this one 140 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: experience several years ago and it ruined their lives because 141 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: when they experienced it, the thought of it coming up 142 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: in their psyche for any amount of time terrorize them absolutely, 143 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: to the point of never wanting to address the thought 144 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: of it. So you are not alone. So keeping quiet 145 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: is quite common because yeah, people are worried it will 146 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: invite him to return. So I do understand that this 147 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 1: is something that is a common thing. One gentleman wrote 148 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: me to say he had an encounter forty years prior 149 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: and it destroyed his life because that level of terror, 150 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: and it's it's hard to imagine, it's hard to describe 151 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: unless it's something you've experienced. It's almost like a near death, 152 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: but not getting the light at the end of the tunnel, 153 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: but instead being met with the most evil of evil 154 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: and knowing that reality is there and it exists. It 155 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: shakes up people's realities to the core of them, where 156 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: their thoughts don't feel like their own because they just 157 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: can't even go there to phantom it. So, Cooper, you 158 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: wanted some corroborating details, this is it. So I welcome 159 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: you if you want to have a discussion about what 160 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: it is that you experienced, more than welcome to come 161 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: here on the show. Anyone who has experienced this or 162 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: any other thing out of the ordinary is welcome to 163 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: come on the show. This is something that is life changing, 164 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: and and I'm always learning and I'm always growing myself 165 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: to better understand the patterns of what the hat man 166 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: is doing to people. Why he's doing it to people, 167 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: because you will see there are answers to this. There 168 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: is a way to be done and be rid of 169 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: him and his presence and what it is that he's seeking. 170 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: It may seem impossible, but there's an answer. Thanks so 171 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: much for your email, Cooper. Next up where you have 172 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: an email from Donna who experienced hat Man stepping out 173 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: from her nightmares into her life. 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You are listening to the I Heart Radio 198 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: at Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network with me 199 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis and the Darker Side of Life. Remember to 200 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: go to my may website, which is Heidi Hollis dot 201 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: com so you can send in your comments and experiences 202 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: to this show, or if you'd like to be a 203 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: guest yourself. Getting to my next email. This comes to 204 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: us from Donna. She says, Hi, Heidi, I just saw 205 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: your interview on George Norri's Beyond Belief, so I wanted 206 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: to reach out to share that I have dealt with 207 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: the hat Man my whole life. He started coming to 208 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: me in my dreams as far back as I can remember, 209 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: before the age of two years old. My mother said 210 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: that I would somehow slide down the rails of my 211 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: crib and sleepwalk. Interesting enough, I walked and talked in 212 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: my sleep into my twenties, and I still have very 213 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: disturbed sleep patterns. In the dreams that I had during 214 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: these times, the hat man was always chasing me. I 215 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: would run from him until my legs would get to 216 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: the point of becoming paralyzed. Then I would have to 217 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: resort to pulling myself along on the ground using just 218 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: my arms and fingers. Then the ground would distort where 219 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: it would change as if I were running or crawling uphill. 220 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: That's where he would always catch up to me. But 221 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: somehow I would always wake up right before he got me. 222 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: The only variation to these types of dreams was instead 223 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: of going uphill, I had to go upstairs in a house. Then, 224 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: as I struggled to pull my paralyzed body up those 225 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: two or three steps, I would feel little drops of 226 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: something wet tapping down onto my head. When I would 227 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:11,479 Speaker 1: look up I'd see these intestines hanging from up high, 228 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: dripping from the gutters. He remained to be only in 229 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: my dreams until I was twenty years old. That's when 230 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: he came out of my dreams. I was in a 231 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: hospital at the time where they didn't allow the windows 232 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: to be opened, and actually they couldn't be opened. So 233 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: as I lay there, I felt my bed sag down 234 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: on one side. Then I felt this breeze. When I 235 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: turned to look, it was hat Man standing on my bed, 236 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: fanning the sheets up and down. I woke up the 237 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: entire wing of the hospital, screw dreaming at the top 238 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: of my lungs. Yet I don't remember being able to 239 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: make a sound because I was so scared. Unfortunately, ever 240 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: since that night, I have been able to see him 241 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: not only in my dreams, but outside of them. I 242 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: see hat Man and shadow people now, Donna, Oh, the terror, 243 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the horror. Can you imagine something that you thought could 244 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: only reside in your dreams steps out from them in 245 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: the most horrific manner. You feel something pressing down on 246 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: your bed as he stands there, fanning your sheets about. 247 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: I can't imagine, Donna, I can't imagine what you have 248 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: gone through and to have this had been part of 249 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: your life from a toddler's age, crawling out of your 250 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: bed and walking. It makes people wonder what could be 251 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: behind some of these sleepwalking disturbances that go on and 252 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: you still don't sleep well. This is a fine example 253 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 1: or horrific example of how hat Man continues the onslaught. 254 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: Donna didn't have any questions, but I have some suggestions 255 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: for this. When I tell people to bless their space, 256 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: whatever they use to bless their space with, I personally 257 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: use across necklace, So wherever I go, I keep my 258 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: blessing with me because it's on my necklace and that 259 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: helps protect me while I'm sleeping too. So maybe that's 260 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: a suggestion that you could try. And I'm so terribly 261 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: sorry to hear that this is what you've had to 262 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: deal with for all of these years of your life. 263 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Our next email comes to us from Alan, who says, 264 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: Dear Heidie, I just purchased your book from my mother, 265 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,439 Speaker 1: who swears the hat Man drawing that you have on 266 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: your book and website is identical who tried to kill her. 267 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: Long story short, my parents were asleep in bed when 268 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: my mother suddenly felt she was being strangled. When she 269 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: opened her eyes, she saw what looked to be hat 270 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: Man on top of her. She couldn't move as she 271 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: was being strangled. Then she finally was able to reach 272 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: out her left arm to wake my father. She says. 273 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: She gasped as she got out these words, some one 274 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: is strangling me. My father immediately leapt up and tackled 275 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: the intruder. They both fell to the bedroom floor while 276 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: the blankets and sheets were flying everywhere. That's when my 277 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: mother jumped up and ran across the room to the 278 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: bedroom door to turn the light on. Then an astonishment, 279 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: the hat man got sucked up as a mere shadow 280 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: into the light bulb. Like I said, it's a long 281 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: story with plenty of others behind it. It's just amazing 282 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: that you have a book about that exact person she experienced. 283 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: Thanks Alan, Wow, Alan, that's quite the story. I wish 284 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: you had put more detail in there, to be honest, 285 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: because if there was something that led up to this 286 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: that would even spell even more about why he's there. 287 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: What I find fascinating about this story is how hat 288 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Man was physical enough where the husband could jump on him. 289 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, that's not out of the question 290 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: of what I've heard in the past as far as 291 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: other stories. So he can be very solid like that. 292 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: And people always ask me what's the difference between shadow 293 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: people and hat Man, because I admit I mistakenly had 294 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: categorized him as just another form shadow people could take 295 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: when I first called him the hat man shadow, but 296 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: then I divided him to have his own category because 297 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: he can step out from the shadows and be very solid. 298 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: Where you see his suit, you see his hat, you 299 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: see his skin, you see his eyes, so they're not 300 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: eyes you would generally want to take a look into. 301 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: So hat Man can step out to be as solid 302 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: as you r. I to the point that here's this 303 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: man wrestling on the floor with him. Imagine that turning 304 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: the light on and he gets sucked up into the 305 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: light bulb. I tell people he doesn't like light. Shadow 306 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: people don't like light. But to have the lightbulb actually 307 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: be the thing that's like the genie and the bottle 308 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: kind of sucking him into it, now, that's a first. 309 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: And to have had the opportunity to witness that on 310 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: top of it, that's a first, but really good that 311 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: it worked. Now, one thing that you mentioned here saying 312 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: that I wrote a book about this person that she experienced. 313 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: He was never a person, not the hat man. No, 314 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: he's something extremely dark, comes from a dark source, and 315 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: is ultimately the evil of all evils. And if he 316 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: talks to you, he'll break about that point and say 317 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: that is exactly who he is, and he is here 318 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: to destroy and to take. He's here to make sure 319 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: that people who are gifted, especially not meet their full potential. 320 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: He goes after those people. So people think I did 321 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: something wrong. No, not always, and most of the time 322 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 1: that is not the case. So keep that in mind 323 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: because that gives you power over him. That gives you 324 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: power over the entire situation, and with that power gives 325 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: you the opportunity to defeat these things. Don't give in, 326 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: never give up, and always reach out. One of the 327 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: things these darker entities like to do is to isolate, 328 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: and it depresses a person, It oppresses them, and it 329 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: suppresses who they are. So tell somebody, as I say, 330 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: come out of your paranormal closet, start talking to people 331 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: in little parts. Don't wait until you're in your twenties 332 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: or even as a teenager. If you can find that 333 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: level of comfort where you can express what it is 334 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 1: you're experiencing if you have to use different terms, say 335 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: just I'm having night terrors, not to say a demonic entity. 336 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: But there's so many other ways that you can address this. 337 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: And children are very honest about what it is they're experiencing, 338 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: though they make put off as just experiencing an imaginative 339 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: friend or something or a bad dream. We have got 340 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: to start figuring out this dark side because they are 341 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: figuring us out and we can't let that keep going on. 342 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: In my next segment, you guys are going to really 343 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: enjoy this. I have author, science journalists and writer for 344 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: psychology today, Maureen Sieberg, who's going to be speaking on 345 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: the human senses and how it is that we interpret 346 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: what's going on around us, and something I know you'll 347 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: find fascinating called synesthesia. There's over a hundred different categories, 348 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: and I'm curious if you know if you have synesthesia 349 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: or not. 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This is George Nori and you're 394 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: listening to the new y Heart Media and Coast to 395 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network heard on the I 396 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you find your 397 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: favorite shows. Welcome back. You are listening to the I 398 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast and Paranormal Podcast Network 399 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: with me, Heidi Hollis in the Darker Side of Life. 400 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: Now remember to go to my main website, which is 401 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com and send me your comments, questions 402 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: and experiences and I will address them here on this program. Now, 403 00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: as promised, I have a fabulous guest which is Mari Sieberg, 404 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: who is a New York City based author specializing in 405 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: the census. She is a sensory outlier herself as a 406 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: polysyni state and DNA confirmed functional tetra chromat. She is 407 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: the co author of Struck by Genius, the true story 408 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: of a man who became a sudden math savant from 409 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: a head injury. It is option for filmed, with the 410 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: script currently in development. Her writing has been optioned for 411 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: dramatization five times. She is currently writing a major title 412 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: on the Census for St. Martin's Press. She has also 413 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: written for The New York Times, NAT Geo, Psychology, Today, 414 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: Vogue and Beyond, and her amazing hobby is nature photography. 415 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: So i'd like to welcome Maureen Sieberg. How are you 416 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: doing today? I'm well, Hidie. It's such a thrill to 417 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: be on your new program. I just say give you 418 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: as such a queen of content. You are so prolific 419 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: that I know it's going to be great and high 420 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: quality content too, So I thank you so much. I 421 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: am absolutely thrilled to have you on and just to 422 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: be putting it out there. Maureen is also a great friend, 423 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: so I am truly truly fortunate to have you as 424 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: my first guest on the Darker Side of Life. So 425 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: thank you. This is this is really cool. So I 426 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: think one of your cooler aspects that you have is 427 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: being a tetro chromat and I don't think a lot 428 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: of people know what that means. So can you tell 429 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: us a little bit about that? Yeah? Sure, So, tetra 430 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: chromacy is the presence of a fourth cone class for 431 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: color perception in your retina. It's a mutation. I'm a 432 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: mutant and uh it. Most people have three cone classes, 433 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: so think of it like your sony Trinitron television red, green, 434 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: and blue. Try is the three cones and TVs were 435 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: actually engineered to match normal vision, while in my case, 436 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: I have extra cones and it makes me see exponentially 437 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: more color, as much as as many as a hundred 438 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: million colors versus us normal people. Yeah, well, normal people 439 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: still see a lot. They see million colors. So it's 440 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: our eyes are just so amazing that your eyes are amazing. Well, 441 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, my my eyes are pretty cool. But honestly, 442 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: eyes are so amazing that Charles Darwin actually said it 443 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: was absurd to think they evolved, and you know, he's 444 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: Mr Evolution, so he just could not get over their perfection. 445 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: They are amazing in all people. But so far, there's 446 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: only five of you that have been confirmed in the world. Yeah, 447 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: five that are public. There may be a few more 448 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: here and there. Although, um, I'd like to say that 449 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: these laboratories working on this really need a lot more funding, 450 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: and I support that research. I don't want to be 451 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: one of five. I want to be one of five 452 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: hundred thousand UM, and this is in women, So you 453 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: need two X chromosomes to be a tetracer MAT. So 454 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: we really should be testing lots of women. And the 455 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: good news is a team of researchers I'm working with 456 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: at Arizona State University, including a Nobel Prize winner, have 457 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: just developed a really cool effective test for functionality. So 458 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: in order to really say you're tetrachromat, because there are 459 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: a lot of online gimmicky quizzes for this, which you 460 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: know not to put them down. They might be indicative 461 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: of something going on, but they're not conclusive, you need 462 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: a DNA test that proves you have the genes, and 463 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: then further than that, you need to they need to 464 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: test if your genes are flipped on. So we all 465 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: carry so much DNA and some of it's functional and 466 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: some of it's not functional. And they expect that as 467 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 1: many as twelve percent of women could have the genes, 468 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: but far fewer will have them flipped on. And the 469 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: way they think they get flipped on is really interesting. UM. 470 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: You need to have a lifelong interest in color, so 471 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: you need to expose yourself a lot to color. You 472 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: need to have, um, some kind of arts training, Uh, 473 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: mine is really minimal. I'm an autodidact. I'm self taught. 474 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: But two other women here in the United States are 475 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: really well trained interior designers for example. And thirdly, you need, 476 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: um a really good vocabulary. So say you're looking at 477 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: something but you don't have a word for it, that 478 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: could block your functionality for this. So um, it's a 479 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:55,240 Speaker 1: perfect storm that must happen for this to actually work. Yeah. Wow, 480 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 1: I feel like you'd be really cool to take on 481 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: a ghost hunt. I have seen some, so UM, I 482 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: don't know if tetrachromacy has helped me. I imagine it 483 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: might because um U, an Army engineer veteran who works 484 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: in the satellite intelligence industry told me that it's not 485 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: just about seeing more color. He said, women like you 486 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: will have better depth perception. You will see the shading 487 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: around objects better. And so I think you know that 488 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: might help with ghostly figures. Sure would, Let's test it. 489 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But you know, there are so many 490 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: things that that you do that are so fascinating and 491 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: I can't help but to think that you found sensory 492 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: to be of special interest because of your vision and 493 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: visual skills and your artistry of photography and writing so 494 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: perceiving as you do. Uh, how did you get involved 495 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: in synesthesia research? Well, it was really something. It was 496 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: almost paranormal. What happened. I was walking in a mall 497 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: in New York City and I literally felt a hand 498 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: on my back guide me into an imaginarium store. Remember them, 499 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: So they have the big door for grown ups and 500 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: the little door for little people. And I think, I 501 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: like even when in the little door, and the first 502 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,799 Speaker 1: thing I saw was a table in front of the 503 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: cashier with it with several books displayed, and one of 504 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: them had the title The Man Who Tasted Shapes. And 505 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: without even opening the Jacket Flap, which I did afterwards, 506 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: I knew it was meant for me. I knew, excuse me, 507 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: I knew that there was something about my way of 508 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: being that would be in that book. And then when 509 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: I did read The Jacket Flaps, it was about this 510 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 1: trait called synesthesia, and this top neuroscientist, Dr Richard Psytoic, 511 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: the author of the book, was writing about how some 512 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: people get extra sensory experiences for something that should just 513 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: have one sensory response. So the case that he laid 514 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 1: out in the book was a man who was a 515 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: friend of his who invited him over for dinner with 516 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of people, and he was cooking a chicken sauce. 517 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: Apparently he's a really good cook, and instead of knowing 518 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: the chicken sauce was ready by the temperature or how 519 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: long it was on the stove, he was waiting to 520 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: feel little triangles on his tongue that had nothing to 521 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: do with the texture of the sauce. So he expressed 522 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: aloud to Doctor Psytoic that he would know it was 523 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 1: ready when he felt the triangles. And you just can't 524 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: say that to a brilliant neuroscientist right without some questions. 525 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,120 Speaker 1: And so doctor Psytoic started studying this gentleman and he 526 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 1: ended up being the doctor ended up being one of 527 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: the piney pioneers of brain imaging around this trait. So, 528 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 1: while he learned that synesthesia had been in the scientific 529 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: literature and in the arts prior to his encountering it 530 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: in this wonderful host of his he um, he and 531 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: Dr Larry Marks of Yale are the two scientists who 532 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: actually proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt because 533 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: they put people in F M R. I machines, and 534 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 1: they showed them things and um visual things. And when 535 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: the people saw, say like a flash card of the 536 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: number five, not only did the number center light up 537 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: in their brain, but color centers, so they knew it 538 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: was real and people weren't hallucinating, and they weren't making 539 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: it up or attention seeking and all the things that 540 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: people had been accused of in the past. So I 541 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: owe a debt of gratitude to these doctors the Mysteries 542 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: of So I was twenty three years old. I'm fifty 543 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: four now, So I really went half my life without 544 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 1: a word for it. When I discovered the book, I 545 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: had the word for it. But honestly, wandering into that store, 546 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: not that it's not it wasn't a wonderful store, but 547 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: it's not somewhere I ordinarily shopped, I really felt guided 548 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: to walk in there, and then everything changed for self discovery. 549 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: It seems like a lot of mysteries start there when 550 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: we have something we can't find the answers too. 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Now, Maureen, we were talking 587 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: about a lot of the reasons behind how you got 588 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 1: interested in synesthesia, and um, kind of an interesting story 589 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,279 Speaker 1: connects us to about synesthesia and Coast to Coast a M. 590 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: I got to know you because of Coast to Coast AM, 591 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: which I think is absolutely amazing. I've got a great 592 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:41,839 Speaker 1: new friend out of this awesome network. So yes, so 593 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 1: it's so very strange. So um, it's one of my 594 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,919 Speaker 1: friends came on the show Jeanette Lucas, and you heard her. 595 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,840 Speaker 1: You go to interview her and she references me thinking 596 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,799 Speaker 1: I have synesthesia. And I was a pologizing to you 597 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: because I was like, I'm so sorry my friend sent 598 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: you this way because I don't think I have that, 599 00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: because I would. I was associating like the definition I 600 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 1: have found online, like you look at a number and 601 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: you see a color in your head, but I don't. 602 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have that. So I just thought 603 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 1: it was one layer. But it's a lot more than that, Yes, 604 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: more than a hundred forms. And if I may, I 605 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: think your strongest form is mirror touch. I think this 606 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: is a form of profound empathy that has nothing to 607 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,760 Speaker 1: do with seeing color um. And so if four percent 608 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: of the population has synesthesia, one point six percent of 609 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: the population has mirror touch synesthesia. So it's a smaller 610 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: subset of synisthetes and you are one of those special people. 611 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: It was amazing to me because you were very persistent. 612 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: I just I, well, first of all, we should say 613 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: that the person the friend who introduced us, is a 614 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: world renowned psychic treasure hunter, so I knew there must 615 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: be a reason. And also my own intuition was paying 616 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,080 Speaker 1: when I was speaking with you, I thought you you 617 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: were one of the tribe. Yeah, that was that was something. 618 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, I I don't know where she's looking, you know, 619 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,280 Speaker 1: And and you you let me in on some hints 620 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 1: like oh, that's synaesthesia, and that is too. I'm like, oh, 621 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: it's like so many different, so many different things. I 622 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: just can't even categorize it. But you know how to 623 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: do that, and I'm I'm certain a lot of people 624 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: would love to learn how to figure out if they 625 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: have synaesthesia as well. Are there any certain points that 626 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: you can guide people? Yeah, well, the you know, the 627 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: we've kind of discounted the seeing numbers and colors, uh, 628 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: and numbers and letters and colors, which is kind of 629 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,400 Speaker 1: a gateway synesthesia. A lot of people who are sinnispeeds 630 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:24,799 Speaker 1: have those basic forms, but it could be anything like um, 631 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:29,560 Speaker 1: seeing time in space around you. So my friend Dr 632 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: Neil Thiece, he doesn't imagine a calendar or a clock. 633 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: When he is imagining time, he is as a hamster 634 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: inside a wheel of time, and hours are small wheels 635 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: and days or bigger wheels and months and years are 636 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 1: much bigger wheels, and he can actually um flick the 637 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,839 Speaker 1: wheel like you would an iPad to go to a 638 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: time in question. And I believe you see time in 639 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: a really interesting way, don't you hiding? We were talking 640 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: about that. I do I see Please tell the listeners 641 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,360 Speaker 1: I see stars and like, uh, sandy beach, like in 642 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: the pinpoints of the stars reflecting down on the beach 643 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:30,240 Speaker 1: helps me imagine beautiful. I've never heard anyone with something 644 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: so beautiful for their spatial sequence in aesthesia, which is 645 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: what we call that type. Wow, that's that's amazing. He 646 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,319 Speaker 1: blew my mind with with that definition. I'm like, and 647 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,200 Speaker 1: these are things that I think a lot of people 648 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: go through life knowing that they're interpreting or feeling things 649 00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,080 Speaker 1: more than the next person, but they don't know how 650 00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,720 Speaker 1: to put it into words. So I was absolutely blown 651 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 1: away with all of these definitions and and guidance that 652 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,399 Speaker 1: you provided. So I'm forever grateful, my pleasure. You're just 653 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: such an interesting human being. It was fun for me 654 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: too as a as a science journalist. I I often 655 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:17,320 Speaker 1: say it was like someone who didn't stop sneezing only 656 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 1: every time Heidi metaphorically sneezed. It was another miraculous revelation 657 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: because you are just so extraordinary and I think that 658 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: you are proof that synesthesia lays the groundwork for the extraordinary. 659 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: So a lot of super smellers and super tasters and 660 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:49,920 Speaker 1: super sears like myself also have synesthesia, but you're even 661 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: beyond all of that. I mean, if I may say 662 00:49:55,560 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: to your listeners, I believe Heidi is a living saint. Uh. 663 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in the cliche form of 664 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: it or archaic form of it. She has so many 665 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:15,319 Speaker 1: gifts and so much empathy for humanity. I don't know 666 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: anyone more upset about the covid Um tragedy than Heidi Hollis. 667 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: Heidi can actually feel the people who are ill with 668 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: it and dying, and she's so physically upset about it, 669 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: and it it moves me to no end. Although I 670 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: feel for you, I just think the world needs more 671 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: sensitivity like that, and you've got it coming and going wow. 672 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,399 Speaker 1: I'm always kind of palming my face because it's it's 673 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: such a new topic for me to even brush upon, 674 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:06,240 Speaker 1: but it's I can't deny. And and very much like yourself, 675 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: your mirror touch synesthesia also allows you to feel the 676 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,600 Speaker 1: pain of others. And it was proven in front of 677 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 1: a group of students. Yes, yes, I diagnosed six students 678 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: live and a class for a couple of years ago. 679 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:28,799 Speaker 1: And but um, I do want to honor your particular 680 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: mirror touch synesthesia here because I think it speaks volumes 681 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:45,160 Speaker 1: about your character and it's been really astonishing to witness. Oh, 682 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:50,359 Speaker 1: I thank you very much. Honestly, it's a it's been 683 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,000 Speaker 1: a year of self discovery. I could tell you that. Wow. 684 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just seems to be no limits. And 685 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: it goes to show that the human potential and through 686 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: our senses, there's really no limits and it just seems 687 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: to keep growing. You are so wise. That's the story 688 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: of the century in my humble opinion, and I'm writing 689 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,560 Speaker 1: a book about this right now for St. Martin's Press. 690 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:31,200 Speaker 1: Our human senses are so wildly enormous. So for example, 691 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,759 Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen, they proved that humans could 692 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,399 Speaker 1: see light at the level of a single photon with 693 00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: their naked eyes. They used to think we could smell 694 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: ten thousand things. Now they know it's a trillion. We 695 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: can hear it amplitudes. Sound waves smaller than an atom. 696 00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,880 Speaker 1: We can feel a single molecule with our fingertips and 697 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: uh it, it's just just um. I think humans. I 698 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 1: think it's time for humans to wake up and embrace 699 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,719 Speaker 1: their inner lives. You know how you were saying earlier 700 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: that people have these things going on, But we really 701 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:22,320 Speaker 1: don't talk about our inner impressions, do we. So people 702 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: like you, with your your wonderful platform here, are going 703 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,200 Speaker 1: to do a lot of good for someone sitting in silence, 704 00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,799 Speaker 1: wondering if it's just them or not, and afraid to 705 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,320 Speaker 1: speak of it. Truly. So it's about kicking down these 706 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: walls and these definitions that hold us. And even when 707 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: it comes to perceiving supernatural things, I think that it 708 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: seems like those who are gifted are the ones seeing 709 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: these things and and often being attacked for being able 710 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,760 Speaker 1: to see these things. Is that something that you would agree? 711 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. In fact, I've been working 712 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,359 Speaker 1: on a story about UFO experiencers and I want to 713 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: call it cosmic giftedness, and I think it applies to 714 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: all high strangeness, as our friend Linda Moulton how would 715 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,600 Speaker 1: call it. Not everyone can see such things or experience 716 00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: such things, but that does not make them weirdos. That 717 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:34,080 Speaker 1: makes them gifted, and they know now that there are 718 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: structural differences in the brain of such people, so they 719 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:44,080 Speaker 1: should be afforded, in my humble opinion, the protection that 720 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: all special people are afforded, be they uh, folks from 721 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:56,439 Speaker 1: minority groups or um the autistic, or the lesbian, gay, 722 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:02,839 Speaker 1: transgender folks who, thank God, are finally having their say 723 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,240 Speaker 1: around the world. And folks that experience the quote unquote 724 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:15,400 Speaker 1: paranormal or uh anything out of the ordinary. I think 725 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,239 Speaker 1: if they, I hope their day will come because it's 726 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:24,239 Speaker 1: like the last legal bias to to look down on them. Now. 727 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,880 Speaker 1: I I love that. I mean, I think that it 728 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,960 Speaker 1: will help a lot of people kick down what I 729 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: call their paranormal closet doors and come out because it's 730 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,880 Speaker 1: so needed, just so needed, and it's heartbreaking to receive 731 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,440 Speaker 1: some of the emails that I do of folks that 732 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:49,239 Speaker 1: are so depressed, oppressed, separated from their families and divorcing, suicidal. 733 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,879 Speaker 1: Even so, it's a it's a great service that you're 734 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,759 Speaker 1: looking into these topics and aiming to define it as 735 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: cosmic giftedness, which I think I love that that will 736 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,480 Speaker 1: its name. Thank you, and well, you're a pioneer years 737 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 1: ahead of me on this because, uh, you have this 738 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,640 Speaker 1: whole ministry for people suffering with shadow people and hat 739 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:20,560 Speaker 1: man and I've been witnessed to your compassion in answering 740 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,359 Speaker 1: letters from all over the world, um with people, which 741 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:32,880 Speaker 1: proves the universality of this as a human experience. And uh, 742 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,440 Speaker 1: if I can add my voice to it, I'd be 743 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,799 Speaker 1: happy to know. That's wonderful. Well, how can people get 744 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: a hold of you and see some of your writings? Oh, well, 745 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,799 Speaker 1: thank you. They can look at the Sensorium blog. That's 746 00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:51,200 Speaker 1: s E N S O r I U N at 747 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,839 Speaker 1: Psychology Today dot com. And you're welcome to have my 748 00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,920 Speaker 1: email address, which is Maureen see Burke. And then you 749 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,960 Speaker 1: are a E N S E A B E R 750 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,359 Speaker 1: G at gmail dot com. Well, Maureen Seeburg, I want 751 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 1: to thank you so much for being my first guest 752 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,160 Speaker 1: on the Darker Side of Life. Thank you so much, 753 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,800 Speaker 1: so it's fun, it's an honor. And congratulations on being 754 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:23,240 Speaker 1: on the number one podcast network. Thank you. Well. This 755 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: brings us to the end of another episode of the 756 00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,320 Speaker 1: Darker Side of Life with Me Heidi Hollis on the 757 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M paranormal 758 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:48,280 Speaker 1: podcast network, and we will see you next time. Goodbye everybody. Yeah, well, 759 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,240 Speaker 1: if you like this episode of the Darker Side of Life, 760 00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,320 Speaker 1: wait till you hear the next one. Thank you for 761 00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,240 Speaker 1: listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, 762 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: a M paranormal podcast network.