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Speaker 1: One day, I'm leaving a doctor appointment and I get

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Speaker 1: a phone call from the FBI and they just say, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is so and so with the Dallas FBI. Would

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Speaker 1: you come in and talk to us about your husband?

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Speaker 1: And I said, why, what about my husband?

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is Betrayal, a show about

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Speaker 2: the people we trust the most and the deceptions that

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Speaker 2: change everything. As a listener, note this episode contains references

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Speaker 2: to suicide and suicidal ideation. Please take care while listening.

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Speaker 2: About a year ago, we heard from a fast talking

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Speaker 2: Southern woman named Dawn.

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Speaker 1: I'm from East Texas, born and raised.

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Speaker 2: Donna is a firecracker, speaking your mind, just in Don's family.

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Speaker 2: She gets it from her mom.

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Speaker 1: My. Matter's just a good little four foot nine Pentecostal woman,

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Speaker 1: but she also doesn't mince words.

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Speaker 2: Dawn's story of betrayal is a little different. She's the

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Speaker 2: first to say that her story starts when she committed

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Speaker 2: a betrayal of her own.

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Speaker 1: We did start as a betrayal. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: of people hurt in this, and I was not always

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Speaker 1: the innocent person. I did a lot of hurting.

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Speaker 2: In the early two thousands, Don was married with two

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Speaker 2: young daughters. She described her first husband as a nice guy,

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Speaker 2: maybe the first guy that had ever really been good

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Speaker 2: to her, but she wasn't in love. One night, Don

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Speaker 1: I actually left church to meet my sister out on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday night at a bar. And there this man is.

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Speaker 1: I saw him, and there was an instant attraction.

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Speaker 2: His name was Wes. Wes was an oil man, as

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Speaker 1: When he walked into a room, he commanded the room.

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Speaker 1: I'd never seen anything like it. He was just one

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Speaker 2: That night, he focused intensely on her. Wes laughed, hearted

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Speaker 2: her jokes, and the way he looked at her made

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Speaker 1: We talked all night. We just stood in the corner

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Speaker 2: Dawn told him about her husband and two daughters, but

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Speaker 2: Against her better judgment, she gave him her phone number

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Speaker 1: From then, we just talked every day and we would

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Speaker 2: That went on for about eight months. In the beginning,

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Speaker 1: I just kept telling him, like, I don't believe you,

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Speaker 2: After a few months, Wes finally came clean. He did

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Speaker 2: He confessed that he'd had a few affairs before, but

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Speaker 2: this time with Dawn it was different. They'd been talking

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Speaker 2: Wes was a preacher's son. No one and his family

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Speaker 2: She was the first to take Philip to leave her marriage.

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Speaker 2: Wes said he could give that life.

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Speaker 2: He could afford it.

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Speaker 1: He told me, I have enough money to take care

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Speaker 2: Don agreed to move to a small town outside of Dallas,

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Speaker 1: He moved me to this tiny little town of only

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Speaker 1: I wanted a Vegas wedding because it wasn't my first rodeo.

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Speaker 1: So Wes was his middle name, So I tell him like, sure,

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Speaker 2: Lied about where he worked. What was going on? Her

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Speaker 1: you know it. It's kind of that moment. I called

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Speaker 1: And I said, wait, are y'all still married? And she goes, yes,

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Speaker 2: Within ten minutes, both Wes and his wife were at

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Speaker 2: With hindsight, Don can joke about it now. But in

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Speaker 1: I want to be with you, like we can be together,

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Speaker 1: we could fix this, but I was done with him.

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Speaker 2: A few weeks after everything came to light, she took

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Speaker 2: The whole situation was messy, destructive, but Dawn and Wes

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Speaker 2: As their personal life blossomed, so did Wes's career. The

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Speaker 2: She knew her husband was a charmer, but there were

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Speaker 2: Instead of confronting him, she decided to take a different approach.

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Speaker 1: We can at least just be free. We can dance

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Speaker 1: And I would go and be like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I trust you down, says She was quote in

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Speaker 2: In reality, she drove to a friend's house to vent

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Speaker 1: And the coffee place I did not know was open

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Speaker 2: It was a lie that gave him a reason to

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Speaker 1: When he came back home to pack a bag, he said,

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Speaker 1: don't do this. We can figure this out, like, don't

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Speaker 2: Don couldn't understand why he was so eager to walk

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Speaker 1: And she's like, we took his ring off. I just

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Speaker 1: And I remember my head was in her lap and

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Speaker 1: I'm crying and she's like, Don, this relationship it's just

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Speaker 2: Soon after Wes went on a work trip, Don got

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Speaker 1: I found out where he was staying. She called the.

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Speaker 2: Sandy was feeding her information about Wes's infidelity, even advising

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Speaker 1: She was supposed to be my brand, but she's screwing

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Speaker 2: When Wes came back from that business trip, his affair

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Speaker 1: It was a big scandal. You know, we were all

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Speaker 1: They're up there hold enhanced the country club, and everybody's talking, talking, talking.

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Speaker 2: It was humiliating, infuriating, but it was nothing compared to

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Speaker 1: He comes and tells me that he filed for divorce

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Speaker 2: A restraining order. She didn't have anything to do do

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Speaker 2: So Wes offered to make her a deal to buy

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Speaker 1: He tried to start calming me down. He's like, we

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Speaker 1: I will sit down with my accountant. I will let

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Speaker 2: She took that deal and she believed him. She didn't

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Speaker 1: Until I was at my second grader's field day in

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Speaker 1: and he has everything, like you didn't.

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Speaker 2: Show up to a trial.

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Speaker 1: What he did was he walked in there and told

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Speaker 1: And the judge gave him everything everything, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: She was ready to burn it all down.

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Speaker 1: I called him and I say, I'm getting an attorney.

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Speaker 2: She didn't just hire any attorney. She hired the mayor

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Speaker 2: Dawn discovered her husband, Wes, had been cheating on her

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Speaker 1: I have a friend who works for the SEC and

443
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 1: so I called her one day and I said, I

444
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: just need to vent about the stuff i'm finding out

445
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: about his company. And she said, you're on my government

446
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: issued phone, so anything you say. And I said, well,

447
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 1: if you're a government oh, Trump's our friendship, so be it.

448
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: But I need, I think I need to tell you

449
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: this stuff i'm finding out. What I didn't know is

450
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: he was already under investigation. So when she said that

451
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: to me, that was her little under the table warning

452
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: because there was really something going on.

453
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: Her friend couldn't tell her about the investigation, but someone

454
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: else was about to.

455
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: I'd gone to your doctor appointment and I was leaving

456
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: the doctor's office and I get a phone call and

457
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: it was is this Dawn Harris? And I said yes

458
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: it is and they said, this is so and so

459
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: with the Dallas FBI office. We'd like for you to

460
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: come in. And I was like, excuse me, and they said,

461
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: we have some questions for you. And I said, what

462
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: kind of questions? What's this about? And they said it's

463
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: about your husband, Wes Harris, And I said what about

464
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: my husband? And they said, well, it's about his company,

465
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: and I said what about company? Like, I don't know

466
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: what I can tell you about his company? I don't

467
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: have anything to do with this company.

468
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: She might not be involved with the company, but she

469
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: did know Wes was always up to something, and if

470
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: she could help expose.

471
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: More of his lies, she was in I called my

472
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: attorney's office. The paralegal there answered the phone and I

473
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: told her the FBI just called me, and she said,

474
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: you're probably the inn tapped, don't talk to anyone, come

475
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: straight here.

476
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 2: But almost immediately Wes started calling.

477
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: So my phone's blowing up. Where are you? Where are you?

478
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: So he tells me he's going to come by the house,

479
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: and later that evening he came by the house and

480
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: he kept doing this really weird thing where he would

481
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: talk to me and tell me he wanted to get

482
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: back together, and then he'd drop his eyes and he'd

483
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: get real close to me, and then he'd snap out

484
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: of it and start talking again. And it was making

485
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: me very nervous, and so we went from the kitchen

486
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: into the living room and we both sat down, and

487
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: that's when he looked at me and goes, what did

488
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,959
Speaker 1: the FBI call you today? And I went, I don't know,

489
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: and he said, what do they want? I said, I

490
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: don't know. They said they wanted to talk about you,

491
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: and he said, well, you're not going to talk to them.

492
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: I said, no, I'm going in to talk to them.

493
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: And he wanted to send me with one of his attorneys,

494
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: and I declined that. I said absolutely not. I said,

495
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm not going with an attorney. I have nothing to hide,

496
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't need an attorney. I'm going to go in

497
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: there and answer their questions. And he was trying to

498
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: get me out to talk to them.

499
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: But don did.

500
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: Talk with the Vets and she learned he had misappropriated

501
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: two million dollars.

502
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 2: That two million dollars was just the beginning. In total,

503
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: Wes's company illegally raised thirteen million through what's known as

504
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: a boiler room scheme. Salespeople like Wes dooped hundreds of

505
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: everyday people to invest their savings in the company's oil

506
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: drilling projects. But they were doing it using fakeda to

507
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: falsified information about the company's profits and empty promises about

508
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: their expected returns, and a lot of those investor funds

509
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: weren't being used to expand the company's profits.

510
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: He was ballsy. He had a stripper on the payroll.

511
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: He paid monthly, which I mean, you don't steal millions

512
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: of dollars at like thirty five years old, without being

513
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: super ballsy.

514
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: And where did all that money go? Well, Wes used

515
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: it to fund their famili's lavish lifestyle.

516
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: I would look at things and be like, that was

517
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: bought with stolen money. You know, like that's kind of

518
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: hard to stomach. And your whole life is bought with

519
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: stolen money.

520
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: Money stolen from regular people who'd invested in Wes's oil

521
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 2: and gas company, who were told they'd see massive returns.

522
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: Investors were calling me saying, I know your daughter's names,

523
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 1: where they go to school, I know where you live.

524
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: I gave him three quarters of a million dollars and

525
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: he ruined my life and I'm going to ruin his.

526
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: And then I was so panicked. I'm like, he doesn't

527
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: even live here, Like we're separated, so now they know

528
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm alone.

529
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: She was scared for her own safety, but more so

530
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 2: she was devastated when she heard from the victims of

531
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: Wes's fraud.

532
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: I had one woman who was really sweet. She called me,

533
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: and she goes, we're a mom and pop place in

534
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: New Mexico. She goes, we gave him all of our

535
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: life savings.

536
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: Even though Don wasn't responsible for Wes's crimes, she was

537
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: still financially entangled with him.

538
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 1: His LLC that he was laundering money through. He had

539
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: put me as the president, so I was the president

540
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: of that until we split up. I had written checks

541
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: out of that account, but just because he would tell me, like,

542
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: write a check, and then he took me off of it,

543
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: thank god.

544
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: But of course everything he'd bought for the couple, from

545
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: their house to Don's shoes, could now be seized by

546
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: the Feds, and.

547
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I was told that federal marshalls were going to show

548
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: up at my house and I would be able to

549
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: pack a bag for me and my child drink.

550
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: Don's life was on pause as she waited for the

551
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: financial and legal reckoning.

552
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: We could not have our divorce trial until the sec

553
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: was done because what was left over was community property. Look,

554
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: they left me basically, so I had to fight for that.

555
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: He made me fight for that.

556
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: That's when Don got another unexpected call from, of all people,

557
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: a new woman West had started dating. She wanted to

558
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: meet Don in person.

559
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: She ended up finding me reaching out to me because

560
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: she had suspicions about him. She told me he had

561
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: taken her to Deceity little place. Then there was like

562
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: other couples that were like rubbing her back, and she

563
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: goes and then I'd blacked out and I don't remember

564
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the rest of the night. And she said, and don

565
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't drink, not that much. She goes, I maybe

566
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: had two drinks. When she goes, I think he probably

567
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: drugged me. And I burst in the tears and I said,

568
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: you just described the last year and half of my life,

569
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: because that's what I would do. I wouldn't have that

570
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: much to drink. But all of a sudden, I'm coming

571
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: in and out of consciousness and I'm seeing all this

572
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: stuff around me, but you can't move.

573
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 2: It wasn't until that moment, when someone else described her

574
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: same experiences that Dawn realized what was really happening. The

575
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: last few times she went to the swingers club with

576
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: Wes those nights he blacked out.

577
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: When I was saying that I couldn't do it anymore,

578
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: that's when he started dragging me.

579
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: This was more than a betrayal, it was a crime.

580
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: He drugged and sexually assaulted her. She was still processing

581
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: this while in the middle of an SEC investigation where

582
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: the government could be justified and seizing everything she had.

583
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: It left her feeling overwhelmingly empty and alone.

584
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: There was times I pulled in my garage and shut

585
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: the garage door and lean the seatback, because I knew

586
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: that the government was about to come in and take

587
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: my home and take all of my things, and I

588
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: was gonna have to tell everyone, and I was gonna

589
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: have to uproot my daughters and scare the shit out

590
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: of them. Right so I just wanted to die. I'm like,

591
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: if I could just go to sleep right now, I

592
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: wouldn't have to deal with this. I can remember setting

593
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: the garage door and leaning that seatback and sitting there.

594
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: But I would see my daughter's little faces. They were

595
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: like eight, I'm ten, and I would turn the cars.

596
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: I'd wipe my face. I'd go in the house and

597
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: get it together.

598
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: Every day felt excruciatingly long. Don says she got through

599
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: it for her daughters, and Wes well, he'd already moved

600
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: on to see the least.

601
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: He had met a girl in Sunday school, and he

602
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: had convinced all of his family that he was innocent.

603
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: If I was guilty, i'd be in by now. I'm

604
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: going to sue the government and the sec and all

605
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: of them for falsely accusing me. I was told his

606
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: mom had like second mortgage your house.

607
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: I was told that he had.

608
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: Gone through this poor woman's savings or whatever. These are things,

609
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: of course I was told. But what I do know

610
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: is that was starting to unravel.

611
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: He might have been telling his family that he was innocent,

612
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: but that's not what Wes told the government. He agreed

613
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: to a plea deal with the FBI. Now he was

614
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: awaiting sentencing. Finally they could move forward with their divorce.

615
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Our divorce was a trial because he was trying to

616
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: fight me for everything the government left me with. So

617
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I had to get up on stand and testify, and

618
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: of course he pleaded the fifth to everything.

619
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: Dawn was relieved to keep the modest half of what

620
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: the government left her, but Wes still wasn't done with her.

621
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Despite it all, he still kept reaching out to Dawn.

622
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: She didn't reply until finally.

623
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: He called me one day. He was really confused and

624
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: sounded just really out of it. I'm like, just go

625
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: serve your sentence, go do your time, And in one

626
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: breath he said, I'm not going to prison. What do

627
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: you mean I'm innocent? And then in the next breath,

628
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: he'd say, you know what happens to them might be

629
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: imprisoned on what am I going to do when I

630
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: come out?

631
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: He couldn't wrap his mind around the reality that he

632
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: was going to prison considering what he'd done. Don was

633
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: losing patience for him. She knew he was reaching out

634
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: for sympathy, maybe for help processing, or maybe because he

635
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: just didn't have anyone else left.

636
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: And then he texted me one more thing, which is

637
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: what we used to say to each other that meant

638
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: to love you. We would always say one more thing.

639
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: And he texted me one more thing. And I reached

640
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: out to his first wife again, and she said, Don,

641
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: he keeps doing this, go to bed, turn your phone off.

642
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: The next morning he killed himself. He was supposed to

643
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: turn himself in that next day. He had come to

644
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: an agreement with the FBI, and he was only going

645
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: to serve like, I don't know, five to seven years.

646
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, this was twenty twelve. He'd been way out

647
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: of prison by now. I went to the funeral his grandmother,

648
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: who I loved, and she loved me. She came up

649
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: to me and she asked me about the house and

650
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: about me selling the house. I said, you know, you

651
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: don't understand. The government took everything. The government took that house,

652
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: like I didn't sell any like I have. I don't

653
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: have anything. And she kind of looked at me confused.

654
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: He'd been lying to everyone, including his family. He'd also

655
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: been stealing from his grandmother.

656
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Well, he stole the money out of her account to

657
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: buy the gun to kill himself.

658
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 2: It's been over a decade since the end of their

659
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: relationship and since Wes passed away.

660
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: I try to say, I don't have any regrets. I

661
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: got a couple, I got a couple hard lessons for sure.

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Speaker 2: Dawn endured so much in this relationship. We asked what

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Speaker 1: What gets me the most is the betrayal to myself,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know that woman, and thank god I

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Speaker 1: don't know her anymore. I look back and how in

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Speaker 1: the world, for ten years of my life this man

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Speaker 1: was able to lie and manipulate, and I would lie

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Speaker 1: and manipulate, you know, because again we started out as

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Speaker 1: an affair. But the biggest thing is just how I

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Speaker 1: let myself get so wrapped up in that and the

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Speaker 1: things that my children had to go through they were

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Speaker 1: eighteen months and four when I met him. That's probly

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Speaker 1: the hardest.

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Speaker 2: Thing part of Don's healing process is being honest, taking

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Speaker 2: accountability for her actions.

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Speaker 1: Being able to talk to other people and just beak

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Speaker 1: honest has been very healing. Like I don't hold back

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Speaker 1: the fact we were an affair. I don't hold back

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Speaker 1: the people that I've hurt. You know, there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of people hurting this, and I was not always

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Speaker 1: the innocent person. I did a lot of hurting.

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Speaker 2: Dawn found happiness in starting a new career.

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to be an esthetician, So now on

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Speaker 1: my own spa, that's what I'm sitting in, my little spa.

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Speaker 2: She also fell in love again, this time with a

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Speaker 2: man who was honest with her and treats her well.

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Speaker 2: In fact, while we were on our call, Hi honey.

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Speaker 1: My husband's brought me flowers or so sweet, thank you babe.

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Speaker 2: We end all of our episodes with the same question,

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Speaker 2: why did you want to tell your story to.

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Speaker 1: Reach other people and let them know that you know,

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Speaker 1: there's a whole network of people out here that have

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Speaker 1: been heard, but that you can go through these horrible

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Speaker 1: things and it's not over and you can rebuild as

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Speaker 1: many times as it takes. Just be honest with yourself,

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Speaker 1: Like I like who I am today, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's because I didn't try to hide all of those mistakes.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Betrayal, I just.

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Speaker 1: Remember it was a profound moment. Who is this cruel?

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Speaker 1: Who can pull this off? Whose family pulls it off?

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Speaker 1: Whose friends pull it off? What in the world? How

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Speaker 1: do you fabricate the details?

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Speaker 2: If you would like to reach out to the Betrayal

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Speaker 2: team or want to tell us your Betrayal story, email

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Speaker 2: you to all of our listeners. Betrayal is a production

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Speaker 2: partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The show is executive produced by

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Speaker 2: Nancy Glass and Jennifer Fason, hosted and produced by me

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Speaker 2: Andrea Gunning, written and produced by Monique Leboard. Also produced

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Speaker 2: by Ben Fetterman. Associate producers are Kristin Mercury and Caitlin Golden.

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Speaker 2: Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Krincheck. Audio

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