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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two oh

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Speaker 1: seven and tan the show, I'm joined by Wit Fosburgh

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Speaker 1: of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership to discuss possibly the

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Speaker 1: largest private lands conservation bill in America and how it

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Speaker 1: impacts hunters, and that of course, is the Farm Bill.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by sit Ka Gear. And today on the show,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about private lands conservation. You know, we we

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Speaker 1: hear so much about these big cons servation initiatives related

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Speaker 1: to public lands, but of course conservation is important on

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Speaker 1: private land too, and for most of us white tail hunters,

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Speaker 1: especially those of us that are hunting east of the Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: it's private land really that most of us depend on.

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Speaker 1: Public land, of course, is still super important, but to

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Speaker 1: be honest, I think the numbers do clearly show that

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Speaker 1: most of us whitetail guys are private land hunters the

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Speaker 1: majority of the time. But you just don't hear a

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Speaker 1: whole lot about the stuff that's going on to protect

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Speaker 1: and improve and conserve those areas. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: there's not stuff going on. And that's why we're doing

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Speaker 1: today's podcast because there is actually an absolutely huge private

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Speaker 1: lands conservation bill that's up for debate this year, and

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Speaker 1: we hunters and our voices we're gonna be needed to

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Speaker 1: make sure this bill positively impacts fish and wildlife and

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Speaker 1: wild places. And this bill is the Farm Bill. You

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Speaker 1: probably hear of it, but if you're not kind of

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Speaker 1: realize that the Farm Bill doesn't just have to do

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Speaker 1: with farmers. It actually covers vast array of different issues,

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Speaker 1: including a whole lot of stuff related to habitat and

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Speaker 1: wildlife and hunters. So today, to help make sense of

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Speaker 1: this massive bill and all of its implications on hunting

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Speaker 1: and wildlife and habitat, we're gonna be joined by Witt

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Speaker 1: Fosberg of the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. And I know

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Speaker 1: what you're thinking, the Farm Bill, This this sounds like

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Speaker 1: a snooze fest. And yes, I mean this isn't gonna

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Speaker 1: be quite as as fun maybe as a deep dive

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Speaker 1: conversation into hunting strategies or some big you know, white

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Speaker 1: But as we have talked about many times here in

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Speaker 1: the podcast, we hunters, we do have a responsibility. You know,

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Speaker 1: Hunting is a consumptive activity, meaning that we take from

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Speaker 1: the landscape that we recreate on. And if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: that's taking a life or a week's worth of rest

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Speaker 1: and relaxation, or a lifelong memory, or maybe just a

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Speaker 1: pile mushrooms or antlers, if we're taking something, it's our

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Speaker 1: responsibility to give back to and it's it's not always

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Speaker 1: gonna be fun, it's not always gonna be easy, it's

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Speaker 1: not always what we want to talk about, but it

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Speaker 1: is on us to give back and make sure these

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Speaker 1: And so that is why I think these kinds of

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Speaker 1: conversations and issues are so important for us as a

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Speaker 1: hunting community, and even just as like our little tight

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Speaker 1: podcast family here, it's it's important for us to spend

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Speaker 1: some time on this stuff. I believe too. So today

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Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do. And and I commend you

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Speaker 1: and if I could, i'd high five you or shake

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Speaker 1: your hand for taking the time to dig into this

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Speaker 1: one with an open mind and some curiosity. The farm

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Speaker 1: Bill is jam packed the programs that can positively impact

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Speaker 1: US hunters if they're funded and approved, and we've got

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Speaker 1: that opportunity this year to make sure that happens. So

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Speaker 1: farm Bill, maybe make a few calls or emails, and

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Speaker 1: then we can get right back into big rutting, stinky

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Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff. Does that sound good? Good? All? Right?

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Speaker 1: Then we're gonna take a quick break for our Sickest

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Speaker 1: story of the day, and then I'll bring Wit on

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Speaker 1: the line with me to dive into private lands, conservation

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Speaker 1: and the farm Bill. For this week's Sitka story, we're

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Speaker 1: joined by Don Vdosh, who tells us about an eye

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Speaker 1: opening encounter he had in southeastern Kansas. Well Spencer. It's

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Speaker 1: an interesting, uh. The sickest stories have been intriguing to me.

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Speaker 1: I have a follower of podcast and and I've had

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Speaker 1: a couple uh defining moments in UH in my own career,

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Speaker 1: and one really was an eye opener for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and fifteen. I had a particularly

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Speaker 1: Is one of those moments where you know your camouflage

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Speaker 1: one of those moments where you wonder, you know how

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Speaker 1: as hunters, I think we always have questions, you know,

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Speaker 1: that all that was clicking on Dahn's hunt, which was

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Speaker 1: a bitterly cold sit he was wearing Sitka's phonetic system.

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Speaker 1: sit gygear dot com. All right with us now? Is

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Speaker 1: W Fostburg from the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: being with us, what Mark? Always great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Yeah, I I I gotta tell you the

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Speaker 1: found it so beneficial when I first discovered what you

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Speaker 1: in the hunting and fishing conservation world. If you guys

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Speaker 1: weren't doing what you do. So just big thank you

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Speaker 1: such helpful work. Well, we appreciate that. And you know,

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Speaker 1: paying attention. And just so your listeners understand, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're a coalition about fifty six different organizations from Mule

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Speaker 1: And the way the farm bill works has so many

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Speaker 1: diverse programs. I mean, you know, the food stamp program

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Speaker 1: in this country is under the farm bill, you know,

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Speaker 1: in addition to you know, crop insurance, in addition to

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Speaker 1: the conservation payments. So there is a ton that goes on.

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Speaker 1: The way it often happens is that individual portions of

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Speaker 1: the farm bill. Members will break them off introduce what

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Speaker 1: we call marker bills, and that's where they can be

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Speaker 1: discussed and they can be modified, because once everything is

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Speaker 1: put together, it's just becomes so big it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get your arms around. Um. You do a lot of

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Speaker 1: that sort of yeah, obviously negotiating and fine tuning with

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Speaker 1: these marker bills, and then assuming you build some good

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Speaker 1: by partis in support and you take care of any

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Speaker 1: unanticipated problems, then you hopefully that becomes what guests moved

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Speaker 1: into the bigger farm bill. Um. So, as you just mentioned,

447
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Speaker 1: you know, we have now sent versions and House versions

448
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Speaker 1: of a new voluntary public access bill, and really the

449
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Speaker 1: main change in it is that it's just a bigger bill.

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Speaker 1: It goes from fifty million dollars to a hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty million, and we think it is going to have

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Speaker 1: broad bipartisan support. The Senate bill was you know, Senator

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Speaker 1: Bennett Democrat from Colorado, Senator Crapo, Republican from Idaho. Four

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Speaker 1: members including your you know, Debbie Dangle from Michigan were

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Speaker 1: the co sponsors in the House side. And you we

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Speaker 1: can go to our website which is a tier cp

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Speaker 1: dot org and click on our Farm Bill stuff nicket

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Speaker 1: all the details, But first you thank the folks that

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Speaker 1: have introduced this to urge your own congress person to

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Speaker 1: get in there and support this program and broadly support

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Speaker 1: conservation the farm bill. The challenge that we're going to

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Speaker 1: be under is especially now that you know Congress has

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Speaker 1: you know, done the tax bill. They've proved a two

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Speaker 1: year budget, you know that spends a ton of money.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot more pressure than usual on

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Speaker 1: the Farm Bill to cut money. And because you know,

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Speaker 1: there are few folks out there is actually think deficits

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Speaker 1: still matter, and they see the farm Bill as a

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Speaker 1: giant chunk of cash. And what we don't want to

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Speaker 1: see happens a lot of these conservation programs to be

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Speaker 1: the ones to get sacrificed in exchange for spending in

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Speaker 1: other areas. So a day two things. One, you know,

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Speaker 1: argue for the voluntary of public access program expansion in

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Speaker 1: the you know whatever house were the center farm Bill,

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Speaker 1: and to really pushed back on the notion of cuts

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Speaker 1: to conservation. If anything, we ought to be doubling down

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Speaker 1: on conservation. A couple of points here, I mean we

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Speaker 1: obviously on this administration does not like the idea of

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Speaker 1: you know, e p A and regulatory enforcement, which is fine,

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Speaker 1: but if you're not going to go out there and

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Speaker 1: enforce things to regulation, you better double down on voluntary

482
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Speaker 1: and centives to do the right things and areas like

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Speaker 1: programs like the Farm Bill with its you know, the

484
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Speaker 1: grasslands programs, wetlands programs, you know, trap all the rest.

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Speaker 1: I mean, those are natural programs to improve water quality.

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Speaker 1: So if you don't like dead zones in the Gulf

487
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Speaker 1: of Mexico, in Lake Erie, off the coast of Florida,

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Speaker 1: other places, you need to double down on these voluntary

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Speaker 1: and centers for conservation. And you know, so I think

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Speaker 1: that in I also would argue, and I think that

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Speaker 1: the economics back this up that these aren't just hand

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Speaker 1: douns to farmers. I mean, these are good for local economies.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when the walk in programs first

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Speaker 1: started in Kansas, and it was years ago, and it

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Speaker 1: brought so many people that came to the state to

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Speaker 1: go pheasant hunting. And there's so many ripple effects to

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Speaker 1: the economy. Motel rooms, diners, supporting good shops, you name it.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, the counties, we're sending text to

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Speaker 1: the state government to extend those areas because they saw

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Speaker 1: what was doing locally for the economy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you noticed, but this past week, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Bureau of Economic Analysis released statistics on the outdoor recreation

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Speaker 1: of economy in this country and it is massive, and

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Speaker 1: hunting and fishing play a really big part in that.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so I would argue that any

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Speaker 1: investments we make in conservation, expanding hunting and fishing are

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Speaker 1: also investments in our economy. Yeah, so taking a or

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Speaker 1: zooming back, I guess a little bit excuse me, zooming out. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You talked a little bit about this as far as

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Speaker 1: what you think might be going on with the current

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Speaker 1: administration and some of these pressures, But can you speak

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Speaker 1: a little more on what the overall prognosis is, you know,

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Speaker 1: coming into the two thousand and eighteen debate, do we

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Speaker 1: feel good about what's happening or is this like an

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Speaker 1: area that we are concerned about in the hunting and

516
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Speaker 1: fishing community really needs to um get into get into

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Speaker 1: action here and make sure that we don't have any

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Speaker 1: negative outcomes. Well, I mean, one thing that having been

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Speaker 1: around this town for a very long time, has told

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Speaker 1: us is you'd never take anything for granted, and the

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Speaker 1: squeaky Wheel against the Greece. So I think we're in

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Speaker 1: a pretty good place with the farm bill moving forward.

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Speaker 1: But unless you know members of Congress here from constituents

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Speaker 1: like ours, they care about conservation, they care about public access.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be hearing a whole lot from commodity groups.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be hearing a whole lot from other folks

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Speaker 1: that have vested interests in this. And our job is

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Speaker 1: to make sure that our voices are heard as well,

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Speaker 1: and not in a shrill way. But yeah, using facts,

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Speaker 1: you know, talking about water quality, talking about local economic impact,

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Speaker 1: talking about how important these programs are to getting our kids,

532
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Speaker 1: you know, away from the TV screen or their video

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Speaker 1: games and out into the field. And I think yet,

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Speaker 1: but you know, we cannot. Nobody can assume that you know,

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Speaker 1: everyone somebody else is making that case. We all need

536
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: to weigh in on this one, fair enough. So are

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Speaker 1: what are some of the other programs You're going through

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Speaker 1: the list of the different pieces of this um what's next? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a I mean, there's a variety of

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Speaker 1: the big ones in the farm bill. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: the what we call ASP for the Agricultural Conservation Easement Program,

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Speaker 1: and asked the one we talked about that you know

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Speaker 1: sort of you know, allows these larger parcels to be

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Speaker 1: preserved a long term. We have the Conservation Reserve Program,

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Speaker 1: which is a short term you know, ten fifteen years

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Speaker 1: tops contracts to take land out of production and ideally

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Speaker 1: you know, some of the higher quality you know, are

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Speaker 1: more less high quality agriculturals, but important ecologically, stream corridors,

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Speaker 1: highly erodable areas in places like that. We have the

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Speaker 1: Environmental Quality Incentives Program EQUIP, And I mentioned that one,

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Speaker 1: you know that is uh, you know, there have been

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Speaker 1: a whole lot of wildlife investments on that one. I

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Speaker 1: use the example of converting an irrigation system to make

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Speaker 1: it a little more fish friendly. But there are a

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Speaker 1: bunch of other things that can be done under that.

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Speaker 1: A new program that was created in the two thousand

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Speaker 1: fourteen Farm Bill, something called the Regional Conservation Partnership Program

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Speaker 1: or r c PP. The idea there was to really

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Speaker 1: target conservation investments on large scale watersheds or large scale areas.

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Speaker 1: But in the past. You know, the conservation part of

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Speaker 1: the farm bill could s already consider you a thousands

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Speaker 1: of acts of random kindness. Our CPP was an idea

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Speaker 1: of let's get folks diverse interests, conservation groups, farm groups,

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Speaker 1: you know, conservation districts, others in a big watershed or

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Speaker 1: a big area. So let's say the Upper Missouri Watershed

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Speaker 1: in Montana something like that, and get them all working

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Speaker 1: together and create public private partnerships to really make sure

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Speaker 1: that we're having a broader impact what we're doing. It's

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Speaker 1: not just isolated parcels, but it's really affecting entire landscapes.

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Speaker 1: That is a program that's because it was new. There

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Speaker 1: was some bugs in it, and we're getting those worked out,

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Speaker 1: but that's something that really requires, you know, additional investment

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Speaker 1: moving forward. I mentioned the voluntary of Public Access program,

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Speaker 1: which is the public access part of the farm bill,

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Speaker 1: and then really the last big one that is in

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of our you know, I think that

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Speaker 1: your listeners really should care about is something all conservation compliance.

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Speaker 1: And this is where we sort of morph a little

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Speaker 1: bit into the regulatory side. So we we went away

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Speaker 1: from in the previous farm bill sort of direct payments

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Speaker 1: to landowners to subsidize their production. Uh. Instead, we basically

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Speaker 1: said you'll get a payment if your crop fails. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to get a payment if you're doing fine,

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Speaker 1: and which makes sense. Um, so that's crop insurance. But

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Speaker 1: in order for that to work, it has to be

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Speaker 1: linked to conservation and so otherwise you have an incentive

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Speaker 1: to go up there and dig up and plant the

588
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Speaker 1: worst land on your farm, knowing this is probably gonna fail,

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Speaker 1: but who cares because you're gonna get a payment. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna from crop insurance because it failed. Now that is

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Speaker 1: just your bad public policy and it's bad for fisher wilfe.

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Speaker 1: So it was really controversial. We managed to get it

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Speaker 1: in in the two thousand and fourteen you know farm

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Speaker 1: bill is that relinking you know, conservation compliance with crop insurance.

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Speaker 1: So today you want you can go up and you

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Speaker 1: can plow up those areas, but you're not going to

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Speaker 1: be eligible for a crop insurance payment, and which is

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00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: plenty of incentive to keep folks from and they see

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Speaker 1: plowing up those areas that should never get plowed. So

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Speaker 1: we've got in. You know, part of the ad community

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Speaker 1: is after those and wants to see that taken away

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Speaker 1: because they see that as too much intrusion on how

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Speaker 1: they do business. In my mind, it is basic good

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Speaker 1: governance that we do not want to be subsidizing bad practices.

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Speaker 1: And so to the extent the europe listeners want to

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Speaker 1: weigh in on conservation compliance and make sure that that

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00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 1: remains linked to crop insurance. That is a really important

608
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: program too. That's good to know. So we've got we've

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Speaker 1: got CRP, which is incentivizing landowners to develop better habitat

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Speaker 1: for wildlife and it's incentive. It's an incentive, so they're

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Speaker 1: they're benefiting it from it too. We've got the voluntary

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Speaker 1: access programs. We've got easman programs that preserve areas long term.

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Speaker 1: We've got ways to help, you know, landowners better comply

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Speaker 1: with some of the things that are going to protect

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Speaker 1: some of these places. There's a whole bunch of different

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Speaker 1: pieces of this pie. And you spoke to this a

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Speaker 1: little bit when it came to the voluntary access standpoint.

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Speaker 1: How we can be calling our representatives and supporting that.

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Speaker 1: Um so we I guess what I'm starting to say

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Speaker 1: here is we can call our representatives, we can email

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Speaker 1: our representatives. But is there any Is there any kind

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Speaker 1: of focused, um targeted other actions that we should be taking,

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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes there's petitions or different things like that

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Speaker 1: for specific aspects. Is there anything like that, Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: can go on. There are a couple of things we've

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Speaker 1: got a First of all, there's a whole you know,

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Speaker 1: sport of sports nes priorities for conservation and access in

628
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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen farm Bill. It's a publication we produced.

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Speaker 1: If you go to TRCP dot org slash farm bill

630
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Speaker 1: you will find it and it will be all our

631
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: detailed recommendations for what's you know, what we want to

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Speaker 1: see out of the farm Bill. And it's not just us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are twenty four different groups that are

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Speaker 1: part of our Agricultural Working Group, uh, groups that really

635
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Speaker 1: care about you know, these things. It's a very group

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Speaker 1: first group. I mean it's ranges from the Americans Fishery

637
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Society to the Associatedous Fish and Wildlife Agencies and Ducks Unlimited.

638
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: But you know also from you know, Trout Unlimited, UM

639
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Wildlife Society, Wildlife Managements to Western Landowners Alliance. You know.

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Speaker 1: So it is very much the you know, the big picture,

641
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: and this is basically our collective vision and what needs

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00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: to happen to the farm bill, so folks can go

643
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: to that and then they can get much more detail

644
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: and you know, figure out how to you know, contact

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00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: their congressmen and all the rest. There is another specific

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00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: site that we have called c RP Works, and that

647
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Speaker 1: is a dedicated website just about c RP and it

648
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: has petition and sign up and you get more information.

649
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: And because CRUP is such an important part of the

650
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Speaker 1: farm bill for our community, we have created a separate,

651
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: you know site there. So those will give you, I

652
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: think any listeners that want to go on, we'll give

653
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: them places and really show how they can take action

654
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: on this. But the key thing is really just to

655
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Speaker 1: take action. Don't assume that somebody else is doing this

656
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: stuff for you. That's that's definitely important. And I guess

657
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: one more time, I wanted to just double check on timing.

658
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: Is there a time that is the very most impactful?

659
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: You know, any time now is a good time, because

660
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, we think the House Representatives is going to

661
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: put in a farm bill within the next couple of weeks.

662
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: They're going to drop their big bill. UH. Senate will

663
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: not be far behind. Um. We are told that you know,

664
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Speaker 1: they're going to try to move this before the summer recess,

665
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Speaker 1: which is basically the endin ulye beginning of August. Um,

666
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: you know so, and that's that's gonna come pretty fast.

667
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: So we'll have a better idea in the next few weeks.

668
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: But what's in the various bills, and we'll have more

669
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Speaker 1: sort of specific advice to give to our you know,

670
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: our members are supporters, our partner groups. If any of

671
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: your folks want to just sign up as a you know,

672
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: sign up on our site, they're gonna get weekly updates

673
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: as to what's moving through Congress and what they can do. UM.

674
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: And you know so, I would say that as the

675
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: first step. But you know, I think that you know,

676
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: the farm bill is unlike any other program really in

677
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: Congress because it is not a partisan bill. It generally

678
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 1: breaks down along geographic lines much more than Republican Democratic lines.

679
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: And in a year when you know, any time when

680
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Congress wants to show can bring home the bacon, it

681
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: tries to pass farm bills in election years. Um. Because

682
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: with the end we don't have earmarks anymore. This is

683
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: one way that they can really show they've brought something

684
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: back to folks that matter in their states. And the

685
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: reason that the farm Bill passes is because there is

686
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: an alliance between urban members and rural members. The urban

687
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: members get their nutrition assistance, their food stamps, the rural

688
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: members get their price programs, get their conservation programs. Uh,

689
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: you know, so we'd all are you doing is going

690
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: in there and railing against you know, food stamps or something,

691
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: because this is part of the coalition that keeps um

692
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: the Farm Bill of live and viable. Because we ever

693
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: break off just rural America versus urban America, we are screwed.

694
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Speaker 1: And so I mean, folks need to remember that, you know,

695
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Speaker 1: set the politics aside, focus on the farm bill, and

696
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: and really pushed for something to get done, you know,

697
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: sooner rather than later. And I think that the we're

698
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: hearing a lot from the farm community and especially the

699
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: small farmers out there. They're on a lot of financial

700
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: stress right now. They're very supportive of you know, the

701
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: farm Bill and the conservation programs because they see it

702
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Speaker 1: as a way if they can ride out these tough times.

703
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Speaker 1: Whereas maybe four years ago they thought they didn't need

704
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: the conservation programs. That has changed. So I think the

705
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: timing is really good to get something that's positive with

706
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: this farm bill. But you know, just d C is

707
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: so dysfunctional these days that if you just can't assume anything, Yeah,

708
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: I can't take anything for granted these days. This is

709
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: This is great though, because I think that when people

710
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: hear the farm Bill, if they don't know anything about it,

711
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: they just assume, unless they're a farmer themselves, that they

712
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: assume it has nothing to do with me. And then

713
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: if they do realize that there is some benefits within

714
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: it to the hunting and fishing and outdoor community, they

715
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: just might get confused by the whole alphabet soup of

716
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: all the different programs and acronyms, and it's just kind

717
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: of a murky swamp to wade through. So I'm glad

718
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: you broke it down by a few of the most

719
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: important programs that we can kind of wrap our heads around,

720
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Speaker 1: and the action items I think are clear. Um. I

721
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: want to shift gears to one final alphabet soup acronym

722
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: here that's not in the farm Bill, But I do

723
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: want to touch on this, and that's the Land and

724
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Water Conservation Fund um, because I know this is something

725
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: that is up for debate again this year. Can you

726
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: fill us in the latest with l WCF and maybe

727
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: for those that aren't familiar, really quick what is it

728
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: wasn't important? And then what's happening right now? Well, it's

729
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: it's a great question. And this is another hugely important

730
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Speaker 1: federal program for sportsman's access. So the Land Water Conservation

731
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Speaker 1: Fund was created in nineteen sixty and it was a

732
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Speaker 1: deal basically between you know, the oil and gas industry

733
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Speaker 1: and you know, the conservation interests. And so the deal was,

734
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Speaker 1: we're going to open up the Outer Continental Shelf to

735
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Speaker 1: oil and gas development. In exchange, the oil and gas

736
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Speaker 1: industry will pay in nine million dollars a year into

737
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Speaker 1: a fund, land and Water Conservation Fund. They will be

738
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Speaker 1: used to you know, protect you know, at risk natural

739
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: areas through acquisition through Eastman. The program also supports state parks,

740
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Speaker 1: so there's a local benefit as well. Um, and it

741
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: was it was it was a great compromise and really

742
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: the way you know, governing is supposed to work in

743
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: It passed essentially unanimously in the Senate. In the fifty

744
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: plus years since the Land Water Conservation Fund was created,

745
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: only one time has it been fully funded. Instead, Congress

746
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: gets all those receipts or the governmental government gets all

747
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: those receipts, but Congress decides, well, we're actually gonna hijack

748
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: that money and put it someplace else. So in a

749
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: typical year you may get three four hundred million dollars

750
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Speaker 1: going to the fund, which is still a lot of money.

751
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: It's a lot less money that was in, but it's

752
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: still important for you know, doing targeted acquisitions for easement

753
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: programs for parks. UH initially had a fifty year authorization

754
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: that expired three years ago. We got a three year extension.

755
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Speaker 1: In theory, this program run is no longer authorized at

756
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Speaker 1: the end of September this year. So we want really

757
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: two things. One we want it reauthorized and two we

758
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: want it fully funded. Um. You will hear complaints of

759
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: some folks, well, gosh, you know, the federal government can't

760
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: take you can't take care of the land it has,

761
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: why should we add more to it? A couple of

762
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: responses to that. First of all, you know, a relative

763
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: small part of this is acquisition, A lot more of

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Speaker 1: it is easements, and it's just keeping highly very important

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Speaker 1: areas from getting developed. I mean, we're not making any

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Speaker 1: more land. And as you know, as I know living

767
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: around here in d C. You know, the march of

768
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: sprawl is relentless. And the places that you know I

769
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Speaker 1: could hunt when I was a kid, you know, we're

770
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Speaker 1: now you know, full fledged, you know, shopping malls, subdivisions,

771
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: all the rest. So LBCF is really important for protecting

772
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: some of the special places. It's all done through willing sellers.

773
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: There's no condemnation that goes in there. UM. And it's

774
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: also incredibly important I mentioned before, like in part of

775
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: connecting you know, off limits public lands through to the

776
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: public again, so Land of Water Conservation Fund is one

777
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: of those things that we can use to go in

778
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: there and do that easement on a thousand acre ranch

779
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: at the foothills of mountains that then connects the public

780
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: with an area that can no longer get to to

781
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: go hunting. UM. So they're all sorts of benefits with this.

782
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: There was a you know, a cool piece I think

783
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it was in one of the outdoor rags, I think

784
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: Field and Stream or Outdoor Life that talked about a

785
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: world record big horn that was shot not too long

786
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: ago in an island in Montana, and that island was

787
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: brought through with LBCF funds and you know. So it's

788
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: it's things like that that this is a mom and

789
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: apple pie, you know, program for sportsmen, and it is

790
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: again just another one of these sort of travesty is

791
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: the way we run our government. That this money was

792
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: certisfied for this purpose us and it's not being used

793
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 1: for that purpose, and it's billions of dollars it should

794
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: have gone into conservation over the past fifty years have

795
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: been suburnted for other things. And we ought to just

796
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: be putting our foot down and saying that this is

797
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: incredibly important. It's not just incredibly important for hunting and

798
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: fishing and water quality, but for bird watching and hiking.

799
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the programs that's really brought

800
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: by partisan support for conservation interests. But there are some

801
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: basically with the fame folks that really don't like public lands,

802
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: you want to get rid of the public lands or

803
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: dead set in fighting you know, this program. So then it,

804
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: like you said, every time I hear about this, every

805
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: time I read something about this, it just seems like

806
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: such a no brainer. Positive, what's the action that we

807
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: need to take to make sure that we don't see

808
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: this cut or not reauthorized or not refunded. Contact your congressman,

809
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: contact the Trump administration and say that the Land Water

810
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: Conservation Fund is an incredibly important program for sportsman and

811
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: that you know Congress to reauthorize it and fully fund it.

812
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: Perfect simple enough, right, very simple. And again you can

813
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: go to our website and you'll find out lots more

814
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: about that that we did report that's on our website

815
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Speaker 1: a few years ago, just laid out ten examples of

816
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: how Land Order Conservation Fund has been used for great

817
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: sportsman's access programs. Excellent. Well, what while we have you,

818
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: I guess, is there anything else that is top of

819
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: your mind that that we need to be knowing about

820
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: what's happening right now in d C or elsewhere pretending

821
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: to deer hunters or public land or overall conservation, anything

822
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: else that we need to be keeping our eyes on. Yeah,

823
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: there's a cool thing that I was announced out of

824
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: the department the Interior Secretary Zincy a couple of weeks ago,

825
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: and it's a big emphasis on migration corridors and listen,

826
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Speaker 1: I've been very critical Secretary Zincy. I mean it was

827
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: a big support of his when he came in, but

828
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Speaker 1: felt that he had just sort of been over backwards

829
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: to open up areas to development, had done nothing for

830
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: conservation since then. Um. But to his credit, you know,

831
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Speaker 1: they announced a new Secretary order to require all the

832
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: age seeds within Department the Interior to work together to

833
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: protect and strengthen migration corridors. And you know, I mean

834
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: we have sportsmen know that animals migrate, and you know,

835
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: have held my hunting places in my campus in the

836
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Adondex and you know, the white tails out of there

837
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: migrate out of our place every year down to you know,

838
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: an area of twenty plus miles away where they basically

839
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: overwinter in place like Montana. There's new research on mule

840
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: deer migrations. Um. And then they have been you know,

841
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: National Geographic others have covered really cool stuff the path

842
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: of pronghorn. We know a lot more than we used

843
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: to know about these migration quarterors. So you can preserve

844
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these big game species pretty simply by targeting.

845
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Let's keep development out of these corridors. Let's really focus on,

846
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, working with the states and private land ours

847
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: to fix some fencing problems we might have if we

848
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: have an overpassed or underpass that needs to go in

849
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: the Highway. Let's work with Department Transportation on that. I mean,

850
00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: it's really a no brainer. But you know, and told

851
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: this this stircuitar order that came out, there really never

852
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: been an emphasis from the part of the Interior to

853
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: focus on that. So I think that's worth noting. And

854
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: I think that's something that's really cool and we hope

855
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: that it becomes more than just a circuit of order.

856
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: That's some real meat gets put on those bones and

857
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: that that's something great for the hunting community. Yeah, I agree.

858
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Speaker 1: When I saw that that was that was good news

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Speaker 1: that I was glad to see. Alright, So final question

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Speaker 1: give you an opportunity to do so one more time?

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to follow what you guys are doing,

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Speaker 1: to get more information like this and to stay up

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Speaker 1: to date. Yeah, just go to We don't do a

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Speaker 1: magazine or anything like that. So everything that we have

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Speaker 1: is on our website and it's Tierra CP dot org

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Speaker 1: and you signed up there, Um, you will get a

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Speaker 1: weekly update, you know on you know, what's going on

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Speaker 1: in Congress. I have some fun stuff too. I think

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Speaker 1: our website does a really good job and there are

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Speaker 1: a variety of things you go through it. We have

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Speaker 1: a you know, aside on you know, just pushing back

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Speaker 1: against the Taco for public lands. We have another site

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Speaker 1: called Sportsmen's Country dot org, this petition site that really

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Speaker 1: calls on sportsmen to weigh on on how do we

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Speaker 1: making sure we better managed lands we have that's better

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Speaker 1: forest management to um, you know better you know facilities,

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Speaker 1: you know that from everything from campgrounds to roads to trails. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you will see if you go through that site,

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Speaker 1: if you're a sportsman, there's gonna be something in there

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Speaker 1: that's interesting to you. And if you have questions, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's We also have a staff directory there and you

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Speaker 1: just click on somebody's name and you know, get their

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Speaker 1: email address and send him a note and just ask

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Speaker 1: more questions. And if you also we have some great

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Speaker 1: problems some of our friends like Sitka and first Light

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Speaker 1: get something cool there. You go. Well, I said at

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Speaker 1: your guys site almost daily. UM It's it's some of

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Speaker 1: track of what's happening, So I highly recommend anyone if

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Speaker 1: you're not already signed up for that newsletter, if you're

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Speaker 1: really should do it. So keep up the great work,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much for being here. Mark, keep

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Speaker 1: up your great work too, and thank you for having

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Speaker 1: me absolutely, And that's it for us today, folks. A

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Speaker 1: short one, but interesting and important stuff. And part of

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Speaker 1: the reason why this is a quick one and why

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Speaker 1: there wasn't the long intro is because actually, right now,

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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, when this podcast drops, I

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Speaker 1: am actually out in North Dakota. I mentioned this on

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Speaker 1: last week's episode, but I'm out there right now, shed

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Speaker 1: hunting and scouting and figuring some stuff out out there

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Speaker 1: in western North Dakota with my buddy Further and my

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Speaker 1: dog Boon and having a grand old time hopefully, And

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in following along with that trip, you

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Speaker 1: can check out assuming that I've got internet service where

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Speaker 1: I'm at, which hopefully I will. I'll be posting lots

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Speaker 1: of updates on the Wired Hunt Instagram account, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to do semi live YouTube videos while we're

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Speaker 1: out there. Documenting the venture, So head on over to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt YouTube channel check out what we

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Speaker 1: posted so far, and if for some reason we don't

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Speaker 1: have that service, I'll be posting all these videos when

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Speaker 1: I get home, which should be soon. So thanks for

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Speaker 1: checking those out. And then finally want to give a

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Speaker 1: big thank you to our partners who helped make all

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Speaker 1: North America, Trophy Ridge and hunter ra Maps, and of

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Speaker 1: course thank you all for listening. I appreciate you tuning in,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you paying attention and you know, stepping up

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Speaker 1: to help out on some of these types of issues.

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Speaker 1: We couldn't we couldn't do this kind of stuff without

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Speaker 1: you guys. Your support, your interest, your energy is what

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Speaker 1: fuels this podcast, and that's what fuels the future of

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Speaker 1: hunting in this country and this continent. So big props

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Speaker 1: to all of you, Thanks for being awesome, and stay

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt up